Elon Musk’s Flying Car Tease is Just Another Distraction | Pivot

1. 0:00 – 12:35

   Intro

   1. KSKara Swisher0:00

      This is just nonsense, and he's just doing it 'cause he's on his little tour to show that he's, like, the master inventor and deserves a trillion-dollar compensation pay. It's just... He's not the master inventor anymore, folks. He's just not. (instrumental music) Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher, and now I must sing to Scott Galloway on his birthday.

   2. SGScott Galloway0:28

      Oh, no.

   3. KSKara Swisher0:29

      Yes. Yes, yes.

   4. SGScott Galloway0:30

      No. It's okay. Okay.

   5. KSKara Swisher0:31

      Now. << Happy birthday to you. >>

   6. SGScott Galloway0:35

      (sighs)

   7. KSKara Swisher0:35

      << You live in a zoo. >>

   8. SGScott Galloway0:38

      (exhales slowly)

   9. KSKara Swisher0:38

      << You look like a monkey 'cause you're wearing a monkey suit, and you act like one too. >>

   10. SGScott Galloway0:45

       When did we get so old, Kara? What happened?

   11. KSKara Swisher0:46

       I don't know, Scott. You look good though. You have a suit on 'cause I, I understand you went on many, much television today.

   12. SGScott Galloway0:53

       I was on Morning Joe-

   13. KSKara Swisher0:55

       Yeah.

   14. SGScott Galloway0:55

       ... then the Today Show-

   15. KSKara Swisher0:57

       Yeah.

   16. SGScott Galloway0:57

       ... and I just got back from The View, where I... Basically, they asked me about my father (laughs) and I started crying-

   17. KSKara Swisher1:03

       Oh, that's perfect.

   18. SGScott Galloway1:03

       ... in front of an audience.

   19. KSKara Swisher1:04

       Oh, that's... With all the ladies, right?

   20. SGScott Galloway1:06

       Yeah.

   21. KSKara Swisher1:07

       Yeah.

   22. SGScott Galloway1:08

       God.

   23. KSKara Swisher1:08

       Savannah Guthrie wrote me a lovely note. She said, "Scott Galloway for president."

   24. SGScott Galloway1:12

       Oh, she loves you.

   25. KSKara Swisher1:14

       She loves you.

   26. SGScott Galloway1:14

       Um, yeah, I was on with her and Craig.

   27. KSKara Swisher1:18

       Craig? Handsome Craig?

   28. SGScott Galloway1:19

       Um, yeah, handsome Craig, and Sheila's-

   29. KSKara Swisher1:21

       Handsome Savannah too.

   30. SGScott Galloway1:22

       ... great. Yeah. She's, um-
2. 12:35 – 19:55

   Shutdown Approaches Record

   1. KSKara Swisher12:35

      But first, the government shutdown has now lasted more than a month. It's about to become the longest in U.S. history. The 42 million Americans who receive food stamps will only get partial payments from the government this month. It is really awful for them to do this. The Trump Administration just told a federal judge that it would not tap additional funds for full payments. This after two federal judges ordered Trump to use emergency funds to keep the program. Travel disruptions are also mounting with flight delays and staffing shortages at airports across the country. Um, and as, uh, as a new poll shows, most Americans blame President Trump and Republicans in Congress for the ongoing shutdown. Um, we're (stammers) ultimately, we're not political experts, but certainly from a business point of view, you saw the United CEO, um, sort of shilling for the Trump White House, which is grotesque, sir. Uh, by the way, Mr. Kirby, I happen to be a global services person and I am unhappy with your stance. I think it's, uh, you can blame both of them if you like, but to take, uh, any side, it was really irritating. Um, (smacks lips) uh, where do you, where, where are we? Where are we from a business and other perspective?

   2. SGScott Galloway13:44

      Well, there's the, there's the strategic side of it. The Democrats are finally winning. This is, they, they've strategically p- they've picked a pointed, obvious issue, healthcare. They're right. It always helps to be right. The, the increase in premiums is just untenable for a lot of people. And the Republican viewpoint of as, "Well, we'll talk about this. This is no way to run government." It's like well folks, you voted for something that essentially transferred money from the healthcare of lower middle class households to the wealthy for tax cuts. That's basically your big beautiful view. So why should anyone trust that given the power where you already control all three houses of government, that then you're gonna address this issue? So you're absolutely correct. The majority of Americans st- uh, hold the GOP responsible for this. It's just, it's just almost alien, or it's an alien feeling to see the Democrats being strategic and pointed and united. Usually there's three or four of them who've taken money from-

   3. KSKara Swisher14:43

      Mm-hmm.

   4. SGScott Galloway14:43

      ... the private equity industry or something, Kristen Sinema-

   5. KSKara Swisher14:45

      I like Kristen Sinema, ugh.

   6. SGScott Galloway14:46

      ... who peel off-

   7. KSKara Swisher14:47

      'Cause she turned out to be ...

   8. SGScott Galloway14:48

      So this is-

   9. KSKara Swisher14:49

      Lobbying whore.

   10. SGScott Galloway14:50

       This is a big win so far. And then on a more existential level, I've been running around, you know, uh, Midtown talking about masculinity. If you think about, if you think about provider and prosperity, the whole point of prosperity, the whole point is such that you can protect people. And for them to be cutting off (laughs) food stamps when the money is available. Remember the movie? They're in a massive ra- rainstorm, they can't find a place to stay, they have no money, and the, the woman says to John Cusack, "Oh wait, I forgot I have my parents' credit card." It's like a $29 hotel. They're gonna get out of this crazy rainstorm. She's like, and then she pauses and goes, "Oh, but I'm only supposed to use it in emergencies."

   11. KSKara Swisher15:32

       (laughs)

   12. SGScott Galloway15:32

       And he looks at her and says, "Well it's lucky this isn't an emergency."

   13. KSKara Swisher15:35

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. SGScott Galloway15:36

       To not use every dollar possible ...

   15. KSKara Swisher15:38

       Yeah.

   16. SGScott Galloway15:38

       ... to ensure that 14 million American children in the most prosperous nation in the history of the world-

   17. KSKara Swisher15:43

       Correct.

   18. SGScott Galloway15:44

       ... have access to food, this is an emergency. And they just come across-

   19. KSKara Swisher15:49

       Scrooge.

   20. SGScott Galloway15:50

       Well it's just such-

   21. KSKara Swisher15:51

       Are there not? Uh, what is that? Are there not?

   22. SGScott Galloway15:53

       It's the definition of anti-American, it's the definition of anti-masculine.

   23. KSKara Swisher15:57

       Yeah.

   24. SGScott Galloway15:57

       They're using children as human shields.

   25. KSKara Swisher16:00

       They are.

   26. SGScott Galloway16:01

       They think they can shame the Democrats into saying, "We're more depraved than you. We trust, we believe that you're less depraved than us." It's like when Terence Stamp played the nemesis of Superman and he said, "I've found his weakness." He being Superman. He's like, "He actually cares about them."

   27. KSKara Swisher16:19

       Yeah.

   28. SGScott Galloway16:20

       Right now the GOP is saying as Zod, "Oh, we think their weakness is they actually care about these people, and we'll use them as human shields. And even though we have the money to pay for SNAP for several weeks longer available to us-"

   29. KSKara Swisher16:33

       So long.

   30. SGScott Galloway16:33

       "... we think they're gonna blink. We're gonna use them as human shields." And I, I think the American public, at least according to the polls-
3. 19:55 – 27:02

   Netflix’s Explore Warner Bros. Bid

   1. KSKara Swisher19:55

      getting interesting. Netflix is actively exploring a bid for Warner Brother Discovery Studio and streaming businesses. According to Reuters, the streamer has hired investment bank... And I don't know this bank. Moelis & Company?

   2. SGScott Galloway20:05

      Moelis. Oh yeah.

   3. KSKara Swisher20:06

      To evaluate-

   4. SGScott Galloway20:07

      They're, they're gangsters. They're very good.

   5. KSKara Swisher20:07

      ... a potential offer. This is the same bank that just advised Skydance on the Paramount deal. Comcast could also be in the mix. President Mike Kavanaugh, who I think is very smart, said last week the company might consider bidding for certain Warner assets, though he noted a merger isn't necessary. This is really interesting 'cause then David Zaslav now has some shit going on, right? And it d- it's not so easy for the Paramount boys and their giant money to sail in there. It, it creates a feeling among shareholders that maybe especially the studio stuff is worth more apart than together. It gives, it gives, it gives some, some juice. What do you think? Or is it all just it doesn't matter?

   6. SGScott Galloway20:46

      So first off, I got this wrong.

   7. KSKara Swisher20:47

      Mm-hmm.

   8. SGScott Galloway20:47

      I said just last week that I didn't think Netflix would get anywhere near this-

   9. KSKara Swisher20:51

      Yeah. Yeah.

   10. SGScott Galloway20:51

       ... because of they have such a strong culture. What I think it says is a couple of things. One, I think Na- this is sort of maybe an acknowledgement from Netflix that they've run out of greenfield or running room to grow-

   11. KSKara Swisher21:01

       Yeah.

   12. SGScott Galloway21:01

       ... their business organically.

   13. KSKara Swisher21:03

       Right.

   14. SGScott Galloway21:03

       And what you said also resonates now.

   15. KSKara Swisher21:06

       Mm-hmm.

   16. SGScott Galloway21:06

       And that is, there's some content here that really is singular, and they-

   17. KSKara Swisher21:09

       Yes.

   18. SGScott Galloway21:09

       ... they wanna build a content library to-

   19. KSKara Swisher21:11

       They do.

   20. SGScott Galloway21:11

       ... kinda try and sorta catch up, um, to, to, um-

   21. KSKara Swisher21:15

       It's quite a content library. Think about it. Game of Throne. Like, it's so good. It's so much-

   22. SGScott Galloway21:20

       There's a lot. There, there is a lot.

   23. KSKara Swisher21:21

       Sopranos. Think what they could do with the Sopranos. They could... I mean, like, so much stuff. Just, like... A- and not just... New s- new stuff, older stuff, like, real, like-

   24. SGScott Galloway21:31

       Oh my God.

   25. KSKara Swisher21:32

       It's-

   26. SGScott Galloway21:32

       My favorite show, I, I don't know if you've, have your favorite show.

   27. KSKara Swisher21:35

       Do you?

   28. SGScott Galloway21:35

       I watch... For me, my parents re- uh, my parents, my kids, my sons refuse to talk... I was looking forward to the sex talk. Neith- neither of them will ever let me talk about sex with them.

   29. KSKara Swisher21:47

       Oh, wow.

   30. SGScott Galloway21:48

       They've just decided that's horrific, and, "Dad, no, we don't... We'll learn it on the street or from porn."
4. 27:02 – 35:28

   Apple and Amazon Earnings

   1. KSKara Swisher27:02

      back, and we've got more earnings to discuss. Let's start with Apple. The surge in iPhone sales, surprise, gave Apple a big boost this past quarter, sending total revenue up $102 billion, up 8% from last year. Wow, that's a lot. Um, it went to 102, up 8%. But it was a mixed bag for other parts of the business. iPad and wearable sales were flat, and sales in China fell about 3.6%. That's not a surprise. Although they don't have really sexy... the watches weren't that big a jump. I didn't get a new one, and I usually do. Uh, cap ex, uh, came in at $12 billion for the year, up, uh, 35% from last year and expected to grow, but it's still pretty low compared to what the rest of big tech is spending on, uh, AI. They seem rather frugal comparatively, but th- the others are s- uh, you know, spending like the proverbial drunken soldiers, uh, s- sailors, excuse me. And speaking of what other big tech companies are spending, let's talk also about Amazon. Cap ex continues to surge with more than $34 billion spent in the last quarter and a full-year total expected be, to top 125 billion. AI spending seems to be paying off. Amazon Web Services revenue jumped 20% from last year, its fastest pace since 2022. Um, overall, it was a strong quarter for Amazon with $180 billion in revenue and sales up 13% year over year. And by the way, OpenAI just signed a $38 billion computing deal with AWS, another one, one of these, and its first contract with Amazon. So talk a little bit, uh, about, um, this and how these companies continue to succeed in spite of tariffs. Obviously aren't affected by them. Well, Amazon might be a little bit and Trump chaos in general. I think it's-

   2. SGScott Galloway28:39

      On Apple too, although-

   3. KSKara Swisher28:40

      Yeah.

   4. SGScott Galloway28:40

      ... they've gotten some exemptions.

   5. KSKara Swisher28:41

      Yeah.

   6. SGScott Galloway28:41

      It's not clear what, what-

   7. KSKara Swisher28:42

      Yeah, that's right.

   8. SGScott Galloway28:44

      You know, that, that gift, whatever it was that-

   9. KSKara Swisher28:47

      The golden statue.

   10. SGScott Galloway28:48

       ... uh-

   11. KSKara Swisher28:48

       The golden calf, as I like to call it. Go ahead.

   12. SGScott Galloway28:50

       Yeah, I don't... I, who knows what tariffs are gonna be on Apple? Uh, Apple, I would describe Apple's, um, earnings as unremarkable but strong to the... stronger than people expected. I think Apple's the most val- uh, the most expensive of those stocks right now. Um, I'm actually thinking about selling my Apple stock, which I've owned for 15 years, uh, just because they're growing single digits but they're trading like a growth stock. But I bought... I always buy the new iPhone. I find the new operating system to be a bit-

   13. KSKara Swisher29:22

       Weird.

   14. SGScott Galloway29:22

       ... cumbersome.

   15. KSKara Swisher29:24

       Glitchy. Glitchy.

   16. SGScott Galloway29:24

       But the battery life is great, and also iPhone sales, we don't know how much of it was pr- you know, front-loading because of tariff scares, but-

   17. KSKara Swisher29:31

       Mm-hmm.

   18. SGScott Galloway29:31

       ... company continues to do well. They have been sort of a sleeper on AI. We'll see if they come through and do anything. I, I think that Apple... I mean, what Apple's done that will go down in the history books and they continue to do is that what they have pulled off... The iPhone is the most successful product in history if you just look at the amount of gross margin or gross dollar margin that's been created. And the analogy I always use is that imagine an automobile company had the margins of Ferrari with the production volumes of Toyota. It's the most... uh, this just is sort of an anomaly in marketing. Typically, you go one of two ways. You go for the mass product that's a lower price, or you go for a niche lower volume product that's more expensive. The iPhone is the most expensive phone on the market, but also the largest volume seller. That... you just never... you're never able to pull that off. And they continue to sell more and more of these, these iPhones. It doesn't look... I... we keep predicting it's going to be spatial computing or there's something else. Doesn't appear... it appears that they're stronger than ever. Amazon, which again is my big tech stock pick for '26, beat on bottom and top lines, up 13%, good AWS growth.... uh, by the way, sent the stock up 13% after hours. AWS reported 20% growth versus a whisper of 19. Uh, they've... Performance pushed back down th- th- their kind of AWS performance pushed back on the overhang here, in that the overhang for the cloud over their cloud offering is that it's behind in AI. Their cloud growth hit its fastest pace, uh, in three years, and Amazon added 3.8 gigawatts of new power capacity, more than any other cloud provider. So, they're going further downstream and giving the market more comfort that they have the power to actually do this shit. It opened something called Project Ranier, an $11 billion AI data center built to run Anthropic models, which is part of a partnership that will see Anthropic using one million Trainium2 chips by the end of 2025 and get-

   19. KSKara Swisher31:28

       Yeah, that's their big partner. That's Anthropic's big partner.

   20. SGScott Galloway31:30

       Well, and get- get used to this term Trainium2 'cause I had never heard this term. Trainium2-

   21. KSKara Swisher31:35

       Mm-hmm.

   22. SGScott Galloway31:36

       ... is Amazon's in-house AI chip-

   23. KSKara Swisher31:39

       Oh, interesting.

   24. SGScott Galloway31:39

       ... that has become a multi-billion dollar business, growing 150%, not year on year, quarter on quarter.

   25. KSKara Swisher31:46

       Yeah.

   26. SGScott Galloway31:46

       So now, Amazon is in-

   27. KSKara Swisher31:48

       They're all gonna

   28. NANarrator31:48

       Uh-huh.

   29. SGScott Galloway31:48

       ... kind of the niche NVIDIA business.

   30. KSKara Swisher31:51

       Let me just tell you, you think they all wanna depend on NVIDIA? No, no.
5. 35:28 – 42:11

   Nvidia Chips Staying in USA

   1. KSKara Swisher35:28

      news. President Trump says that NVIDIA's most powerful AI chips, the Blackwell series, are staying in America. Trump told, uh, 60 Minutes that China and possibly other countries wouldn't, uh, be allowed to buy them, basically keeping America's AI technology at home. Uh, Trump did- did leave the door open for China to buy less advanced NVIDIA chips, which they are apparently, but not the top tier stuff. This came just days after he met with, uh, Chinese President Xi Jinping in South Korea, where Trump said the chip issue didn't actually come up in conversation. So, this is a result of all the Trump flossing of Jensen Huang. I don't c- I was a little confused by the- this statement. Um, but I guess they're not gonna be able to sell them, so there.

   2. SGScott Galloway36:10

      There's a very interesting debate taking place in the dynamics around global trade, and that is, we sequester or embargo our chips from being shipped, our best chips being shipped to China. Now, the question is, should we not be letting China create parity in terms of the most sophisticated brains to power-

   3. KSKara Swisher36:31

      Yeah.

   4. SGScott Galloway36:31

      ... weapons, media? Or was that just motivation for them to do a workaround?

   5. KSKara Swisher36:37

      That's right. Mm-hmm.

   6. SGScott Galloway36:38

      Right? So... And- and by the way, I don't, I don't feel like I have an answer on that. I think it's a really interesting argument into-

   7. KSKara Swisher36:44

      Let them steal our stuff and do a workaround. I think that's the... You've left that part out.

   8. SGScott Galloway36:48

      Well, that's right. You create incentive for them to-

   9. KSKara Swisher36:51

      Steal.

   10. SGScott Galloway36:51

       ... call on their operatives. A- and by the way, I think...What's interesting is, s- uh, I, I was speaking to someone who was in our intelligence apparatus, and he's like, "Do you realize, no spy ever thinks they're doing anything wrong?" If you're a Chinese national and you're given an unbelievable opportunity to come study in the US, and they get you a job at Google from someone they know, who shall remain nameless, and they start asking for your advisory and your help on stuff, you don't feel like a spy. Right?

   11. KSKara Swisher37:15

       Right.

   12. SGScott Galloway37:15

       You don't feel like you're spying for the US.

   13. KSKara Swisher37:17

       Right.

   14. SGScott Galloway37:17

       And there are Chinese operatives everywhere. There are Chinese soft assets everywhere. And their playbook is, okay, if you're, if Siemens, if you're not gonna sell us these cell towers, 'cause you see strategic initiative in it, and however that was the case, we'll figure out a way to reverse engineer them, get some key critical IP, copy it, and sell it back to you for 40 cents on the dollar, which your telco operators are gonna love. So would it be, would we be better off capturing all that shareholder value and saying, "Okay, we'll sell you these GPU hoppers"? I don't know the answer to that. I think it's a real conundrum. What I've, um, increasingly convinced of, and when this was our prediction a couple of weeks ago, I think if China really wanted to go for our heart and lungs, and really like, go for the jugular, they would be spending a lot of money and coordinating an effort to dump... So the US steel industry, essentially the Chinese were convinced, were accused of dumping, and that was okay. Produce, we have all these steel plants in mainland China. We're gonna dump, we're gonna dump steel into the US, meaning we're gonna price it below even prod- below production costs. We're gonna put every US steel company out of business, and we're gonna consolidate the market, and then we'll raise prices. And by the way, a lot of big tech companies are accused of that. Amazon was accused, essentially, of dumping retail, pricing it below their costs, no retailer could keep up. Boom, they own 50% of all e-commerce and what do you know? They have slowly but surely raised their prices, right? I believe it, that China, the CCP, the key gangster move for them would be to dump AI, would be to dump LLMs. And that is create a series of LLMs and maybe chips and even new technologies, open source, open way-

   15. KSKara Swisher38:57

       Yeah.

   16. SGScott Galloway38:57

       ... dump it into the US market-

   17. KSKara Swisher38:59

       Right, deep tough.

   18. SGScott Galloway38:59

       ... and basically ruin Sam Altman's fever dreams of having a trillion-dollar IPO-

   19. KSKara Swisher39:04

       Right, right.

   20. SGScott Galloway39:04

       ... when every college kid starts using this new LLM or AI that is free, and they can download in a second and, or, or big enterprises start signing up for enterprise licenses, or they say, "We have a new, a new LLM and a new AI technology that's not gonna require you to build a bunch of nuclear power plants." If I were Xi, I'd be like, "Okay, we're not gonna, we're not gonna go after them w- kinetically or economically. What we're gonna do is we're just gonna engage in AI dumping." Because it is, it is so striking. Do you realize if it wasn't for AI right now, the market would be flat?

   21. KSKara Swisher39:43

       Flat, yeah. You said, and, and this is what's, you're, you, you made the thing that Amanda still brings up is, which is like that Trump would be in a lot more trouble if AI hadn't been boosting-

   22. SGScott Galloway39:53

       We'd be in recession.

   23. KSKara Swisher39:54

       We'd be in recession.

   24. SGScott Galloway39:55

       GDB, GDP growth would be zero to negative right now if it wasn't for AI and the promise of AI.

   25. KSKara Swisher40:02

       Yeah.

   26. SGScott Galloway40:02

       And all you need to do is pop that balloon and say, "Guess what?"

   27. KSKara Swisher40:06

       Yeah.

   28. SGScott Galloway40:06

       "We're, we're gonna Old Navy your ass. We're gonna offer 80% of your expensive LLMs and expensive technology, and we're gonna do it for not 50% of the price, for 0% of the price."

   29. KSKara Swisher40:16

       Right.

   30. SGScott Galloway40:16

       And the thing about China is that the CCP can do this.
6. 42:11 – 51:39

   Elon Teases Flying Teslas

   1. KSKara Swisher42:11

      Elon Musk is talking about the Tesla Roadster again. Remember, the sports car he's been promising for about eight years? That's, you know, when we were supposed to land on Mars, and before that we were supposed to get full autonomous, none of which has happened. Um, he told Joe Rogan that Tesla is hoping to finally unveil it before the end of this year and hinted that it might be able to fly. Uh, he can't even deliver the car, but this is what he said. Let's listen to what he said about it.

   2. EMElon Musk42:35

      Like this is some crazy, crazy technology we got in this car. Crazy technology. Crazy, crazy.

   3. SGScott Galloway42:44

      So different-

   4. EMElon Musk42:45

      Um-

   5. SGScott Galloway42:45

      ... than what was previously announced and-

   6. EMElon Musk42:49

      Yes.

   7. SGScott Galloway42:51

      And is that why you haven't released it yet, 'cause you keep fucking with it?

   8. EMElon Musk42:55

      It has crazy technology.

   9. SGScott Galloway42:57

      Okay.

   10. EMElon Musk42:57

       It, it, like isn't even a car. I'm not sure it's a, uh, like...It looks like a car. Uh, let- let's just put it this way. It- it's- it's crazier than anything James Bond... If you took all the James Bond c- cars and combined them, it's crazier than that.

   11. KSKara Swisher43:15

       Um, he seems crazy. As always, he's making this up. I'm sorry. This is crazy to listen to him. And Joe Rogan, I- I- I- I'm f- I- I don't mind Joe Rogan and his dumb incredulity, but God, can you ask a question? Like, "Hey, you haven't come out with it." Comments came right after Sam Altman posted that his- who was, uh, Musk's archenemy, post that he tried to cancel his Roadster reservation from 2018 saying, "Look, I get delays happen, but seven and a half years is a bit much." Um, Musk's got that huge shareholder vote coming this week about his trillion-dollar compensation package, so he's on the road talking to, uh, incredulous people like Joe Rogan. Um, I mean, just deliver the fucking car, dude. Like, it doesn't have to fly. Like, this is just nonsense. This is another one of his promises that... Promises made, promises broken, essentially. I don't know. What do you think?

   12. SGScott Galloway44:07

       Well, okay, so let's just figure the data. It's been 2,400 days since Elon said there would be one million Tesla robotaxis within the year.

   13. KSKara Swisher44:15

       Oh, yeah, those. Yeah.

   14. SGScott Galloway44:15

       It's been-

   15. KSKara Swisher44:16

       I forgot.

   16. SGScott Galloway44:16

       ... 3,100 days since he said all Superchargers were being converted to solar.

   17. KSKara Swisher44:21

       Oh, yeah.

   18. SGScott Galloway44:21

       It's been 3,300 days since Tesla started charging customers for self-driving software that he said would be able to drive from LA to New York City autonomously by the end of 2017. That still hasn't happened eight years later.

   19. KSKara Swisher44:31

       Yeah.

   20. SGScott Galloway44:32

       It's been 1,100 days since he predicted that under his leadership, Twitter could reach a billion monthly users.

   21. KSKara Swisher44:37

       Oh, that, yeah.

   22. SGScott Galloway44:38

       It's been 1,700 days since he announced that he'd be uploading a full self-driving button to Teslas. This is no different.

   23. KSKara Swisher44:46

       I love your data. I love Scott brings the data-

   24. SGScott Galloway44:49

       There you go.

   25. KSKara Swisher44:49

       ... 'cause you're a man, that's why.

   26. SGScott Galloway44:51

       100%.

   27. KSKara Swisher44:51

       Notes on being a man, bring the data.

   28. SGScott Galloway44:53

       Uh, swinging on those vines of data. Um-

   29. KSKara Swisher44:55

       Yeah.

   30. SGScott Galloway44:56

       ... look, this is no different... Okay, so Trump will say and do anything to create a distraction from Epstein. Musk will say and promise anything to distract from the fact this is a fucking car company that should be worth 90% less than what it's worth right now. The Reboven, right?
7. 51:39 – 1:00:02

   Wins and Fails

   1. KSKara Swisher51:39

      Okay, Scott. Let's hear some wins and fails. You go first.

   2. SGScott Galloway51:43

      Uh, so while we were sleeping, uh-

   3. KSKara Swisher51:47

      Mm-hmm.

   4. SGScott Galloway51:47

      ... Amazon struck a deal with OpenAI.

   5. KSKara Swisher51:49

      Yeah.

   6. SGScott Galloway51:49

      Their cloud arm signed a $38 billion deal with OpenAI.

   7. KSKara Swisher51:52

      Yeah, we mentioned that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   8. SGScott Galloway51:54

      And, uh, it, it matters because if you control the infrastructure and AI models, you sorta set the terms.

   9. KSKara Swisher52:00

      Mm-hmm.

   10. SGScott Galloway52:00

       And I do think this is, uh, uh, uh, you know. I, again, I think Amazon is on a roll here and about to bust out.

   11. KSKara Swisher52:10

       Mm-hmm.

   12. SGScott Galloway52:10

       Uh, my fail is pretty straightforward. Stop using children as human shields.

   13. KSKara Swisher52:17

       Yeah.

   14. SGScott Galloway52:17

       And, uh, this is just not ... You know, the, the most critical thing, regardless of what you ... And I apologize for bringing this up. The most critical thing you could say of Hamas was that they were using children as human shields. Whether you believe that's true or not-

   15. KSKara Swisher52:32

       Yeah.

   16. SGScott Galloway52:32

       ... that is the worst insult you could make.

   17. KSKara Swisher52:34

       I would agree with you on that.

   18. SGScott Galloway52:35

       That was the worst insult you could make of anybody. And I think the Republicans are in a position to utilize and unlock emergency funds such that 14 million children have food. And instead they've said no because they care more about kids than we do, and it'll put pressure on them. This is depraved. It is the exact opposite of what it means to be a representative, a leader. It's the exact opposite of what it means to pretend to be masculine or a man or a leader. And by the way, I wanna be clear. Masculinity comes from men and women. It's also ... Uh, I won't get into gender. But it's, it's just so, it, it, it's so embarrassing that the world's most prosperous country has decided to engage in political warfare and use children as human shields.

   19. KSKara Swisher53:23

       Also, some of the misinformation about what people can buy on SNAP. They're quite strict, and there's work requirements.

   20. SGScott Galloway53:27

       Oh, God. Hair weaves and extensions.

   21. KSKara Swisher53:29

       Oh my God, stop it. You can, uh, you can, l- you can't even buy, like, a roasted chicken. Like you-

   22. SGScott Galloway53:33

       I don't think you can buy alcohol, can you?

   23. KSKara Swisher53:35

       I, I go to the store. I see what's, the SNAP stuff. It's all basics.

   24. SGScott Galloway53:37

       That's where I get my calories, is from-

   25. KSKara Swisher53:39

       Yes. You can't.

   26. SGScott Galloway53:39

       ... is from Modelo's.

   27. KSKara Swisher53:40

       Like, every congressman that does that, I literally wanna reach through the TV and throttle them. It's not true. It's not popsicles and hair weaves, folks. And which is also a, a version of racis- like, the way that ... The words they're using are so ridiculous. Um, there's a lot of th- this stuff in, in red states, white people, poor people. There's all kinds of poor people in this country that are gonna suffer. And they're not gonna eat. That's really what they're not gonna do. And so, the fact that it has to be made up for by charities and, uh, people's, uh, other pe- you know, people around the country when our government, we've paid into our government to pay for things like this. And it's worthwhile. And it is not being abused by people. And meanwhile, they have a Gatsby thing. Ugh. It just drives me crazy. You're 100% right. Thank you.

   28. SGScott Galloway54:24

       Do you have any wins and fails, Kara?

   29. KSKara Swisher54:25

       Yes, I do. Uh, my fail was the interview on 60 Minutes of, it was a really disappointing interview of Trump. Um, I, he, he lied. Uh, listen, it was good for him, he just lied continually and they didn't catch him. I was dying. I like Norah O'Donnell. I think she's very smart. I thought she did (laughs) a very tough interview with Kamala Harris. I wish that Norah O'Donnell had shown up. Um, a- I wish Chris Wallace was there. I wish Bret Baier was there. He did a pretty tough one.

   30. SGScott Galloway54:49

       What happened to Chris Wallace? Chris, where are you?

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