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Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dig into the legal battle within the Murdoch family, as Rupert Murdoch attempts to change an irrevocable trust to give son Lachlan exclusive control. Will he be successful? What are the implications for Murdoch's company, and his family? Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot #pivot #podcast #rupertmurdoch #murdoch #succession #foxnews #newscorp

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Jul 30, 20248mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:36

    Murdoch trust fight: the basics and why it’s erupting now

    Kara tees up the headline: Rupert Murdoch is in a legal battle over control of the News Corp/Fox family trust. She outlines how voting power is currently structured among the children and what Rupert is trying to change.

    • Current family trust gives equal votes to four Murdoch children (others have ownership but not votes)
    • Rupert petitions to amend an “irrevocable” trust to favor Lachlan
    • Stated motivation: political/editorial differences among siblings
    • Other three voting children mount a legal challenge
    • Trial expected in Nevada, starting around September
  2. 0:36 – 1:07

    Why Kara thinks the move is bad governance (and bad for shareholders)

    Kara argues Rupert’s rationale is political rather than shareholder-oriented, and she paints Lachlan’s leadership as costly and crisis-prone. The segment frames the trust change as entrenchment that could worsen accountability.

    • Kara questions whether the change benefits shareholders vs. Rupert’s preferences
    • Critique of Lachlan’s record: lawsuits, payoffs, culture scandals
    • Concern that editorial/political motivations are driving corporate control
    • Nevada trust court context: narrow legal lens but big consequences
    • Trust change seen as cementing power rather than improving performance
  3. 1:07 – 1:51

    “Succession” dynamics: siblings realigning against Lachlan

    Kara describes shifting alliances among the Murdoch children, noting they weren’t historically unified. The attempt to hand Lachlan control paradoxically pushes the other siblings closer together, echoing TV-family-drama politics.

    • James, Liz, and Prudence weren’t previously aligned
    • Liz portrayed as moving between sides (compared to Shiv in Succession)
    • Rupert’s move ‘unites’ siblings in opposition
    • Kara frames Lachlan as tactically clumsy for triggering unity
    • Family conflict framed as consequential because of their societal influence
  4. 1:51 – 2:51

    Scott on Fox/News Corp’s outsized influence relative to market value

    Scott zooms out from the family fight to the company’s power: Fox/News Corp’s influence is enormous compared with its market capitalization. He argues the enterprise has meaningful political impact and remains highly influential.

    • Influence far exceeds market cap (Scott cites roughly $33B market cap)
    • Argument that Fox can shape Republican politics and nominees
    • Fox viewership remains strong; influence persists
    • Scott pushes back on blanket claims that Lachlan has been a terrible CEO
    • Wall Street Journal praised as a key asset within the portfolio
  5. 2:51 – 2:57

    Kara vs. Scott on Lachlan’s performance and looming legal exposure

    Kara counters Scott’s defense by citing major scandals and legal risks. The back-and-forth contrasts business metrics and influence with reputational and legal liabilities.

    • Kara raises Dominion settlement and warns Smartmatic could follow
    • References to O’Reilly and broader workplace misconduct issues
    • Scott concedes HR/culture problems while disputing overall business failure
    • Debate over what ‘good leadership’ means: influence vs. legal/ethical costs
    • Sets up the deeper theme: legacy, family, and power
  6. 2:57 – 4:03

    Scott’s personal takeaway: family relationships as the real scorecard

    Scott pivots to a human lesson: success is hollow if you lose your kids. He uses Murdoch’s children not attending his wedding as a stark indicator of family fracture.

    • Scott reflects on turning 50 and prioritizing time with his sons
    • Investing in homes/experiences to build future family closeness
    • Murdoch’s career success contrasted with family estrangement
    • Three of four kids missing Rupert’s wedding framed as ‘failure’
    • Theme: legacy measured in relationships, not just influence
  7. 4:03 – 4:22

    Dynastic wealth and taxes: Scott’s argument for higher rates

    Scott connects the feud to policy, arguing that trusts and low estate taxes fuel unhealthy dynasties. He contends concentrated inherited power harms both society (lost tax revenue) and families (conflict).

    • Call to raise taxes on very high incomes and/or trusts
    • Claim that “creating dynasties” doesn’t benefit families or the public
    • Dynastic wealth reduces contributions to the broader commonwealth
    • He argues excess inheritances don’t increase happiness past a threshold
    • Political power concentrated in family empires seen as destabilizing
  8. 4:22 – 5:05

    Kara: Rupert’s “Succession” endgame and the death-clock reality

    Kara returns to the immediate stakes: if Rupert dies before trial, the existing trust structure may remain, changing the control outcome. She frames Rupert’s effort as trying to control the company from beyond the grave—and igniting backlash.

    • If Rupert dies before trial, current trust arrangement may stand
    • Other siblings now more openly oppositional: “Screw you, Dad” energy
    • Kara calls the situation ‘pathetic’ and avoidable
    • Tension between Lachlan and others is longstanding, now intensified
    • Theme: trying to dictate outcomes posthumously is self-defeating
  9. 5:05 – 5:53

    Is Lachlan influencing Rupert? Age, agency, and blame

    Kara suggests some observers think Lachlan is engineering the push, given Rupert’s age, while Scott notes influence can cut both ways. They argue over who initiated the conflict and where responsibility lies.

    • Kara raises possibility of Lachlan unduly influencing an elderly Rupert
    • Scott notes the other three children could also be influencing outcomes
    • Kara insists the change attempt is Rupert’s move, not the others’
    • Underlying question: agency vs. manipulation in late-life power moves
    • The conflict reframed as an initiated disruption of a long-standing deal
  10. 5:53 – 7:57

    What an irrevocable trust is—and the legal ‘loophole’ Murdoch needs

    Scott explains the mechanics: trusts enable tax-advantaged wealth transfer but must be irrevocable to work as designed. He outlines the narrow path Rupert would need—claiming the change benefits beneficiaries economically—despite the political motivation.

    • Irrevocable trusts function as tax shelters tied to fixed terms
    • “Irrevocable” means you can’t later rewrite the deal at will
    • Rupert’s argument hinges on a loophole: proving economic benefit to heirs
    • Scott predicts the siblings can fight by attacking that rationale and/or delaying
    • Legal strategy framed as time-sensitive given Rupert’s age
  11. 7:57 – 8:14

    Closing: comparisons to other media dynasties and a grim forecast

    Kara likens Murdoch’s trajectory to other aging media moguls who ended in messy succession battles (e.g., Sumner Redstone). The segment ends on resignation: this may be an unavoidable pattern when power and family collide.

    • Kara references the ‘Sumner Redstone’ parallel in late-stage control fights
    • Acknowledgment that the family may not avoid a drawn-out public feud
    • Uncertainty over Rupert’s longevity and its impact on the case timeline
    • Shared sense the situation is sad, destabilizing, and damaging
    • Final note: dynastic succession battles repeat across media empires

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