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How Trump's Tariff Chaos Is Costing America | Pivot

President Donald Trump’s chaotic tariff policies have sent markets into a tailspin, with the EU and Canada imposing billions in retaliatory tariffs. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway break down the economic turmoil, the looming risk of a “Trump-cession,” and why business leaders are panicking. Plus, Amazon strikes a deal to stream "The Apprentice," California Governor Gavin Newsom faces criticism for his Steve Bannon interview, and Trump and Musk's White House Tesla stunt raises eyebrows. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 04:37 - Amazon "Apprentice" Deal 13:15 - Gavin Newsom's Bannon Interview 26:41 - Tariff Roller Coaster 34:51 - Recession Concerns 43:24 - White House Tesla Ad 52:58 - Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #donaldtrump #elonmusk #stevebannon #gavinnewsom #amazon #theapprentice #tariffs #tesla #doge Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Ronnie Polidoro Vox Media's Executive Producer of Audio: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Kara SwisherhostScott GallowayhostDonald TrumpguestJournalist/Interviewerguest
Mar 13, 202559mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump Tariffs, Musk Pay-to-Play, and How Chaos Hurts America

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect the economic fallout from Trump’s erratic tariffs, arguing they raise prices, depress demand, and erode global trust in the U.S. as a trading partner. They connect this to a broader pattern of soft corruption, from Amazon’s Trump-related media deals to Elon Musk’s apparent pay-to-play relationship with Trump over Teslas and Starlink. The hosts also critique Gavin Newsom’s new podcast for normalizing extremist right-wing figures without meaningful fact-checking, framing it as a political move rather than genuine dialogue. Throughout, they warn that policy-by-stunt—on trade, EVs, and deregulation—benefits a few powerful players while structurally weakening U.S. competitiveness and institutions.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Tariffs are raising costs and undermining U.S. competitiveness.

Galloway explains that while tariffs can theoretically protect strategic industries, in practice they raise input costs (e.g., steel, aluminum), push up consumer prices, depress demand, and invite retaliatory tariffs—making the U.S. less competitive overall.

Uncertainty is more damaging than the tariffs themselves.

Because Trump keeps changing tariff targets and timing, companies can’t plan supply chains or pricing; major advertisers are pausing spending, and global partners are shifting away from the U.S. as a reliable trading partner.

Corporate money and media deals around Trump look like influence buying.

Amazon’s overpayment for a Melania Trump documentary, licensing The Apprentice, Bezos’s political donations, and changes at the Washington Post collectively read to the hosts as “soft bribes” to curry regulatory favor under Trump.

Newsom’s podcast normalizes dishonest extremists without accountability.

Swisher argues that hosting Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, and Michael Savage in a friendly, unchallenging way legitimizes them as thinkers, spreads uncorrected lies, and signals Newsom prioritizes his political ambitions over factual accountability.

The Trump–Musk relationship exemplifies blatant pay‑to‑play politics.

Trump’s Tesla-only White House “infomercial” and his promise to label attacks on Tesla sites as domestic terrorism coincide with Musk’s large financial support for Trump-aligned political operations, reinforcing the sense of transactional favoritism.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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If you're looking for an elegant way to increase consumer costs while reducing productivity and demand across our products in foreign markets, congratulations—this is super-sizing Brexit.

Scott Galloway

They’re not getting their advantage through innovation and products, they’re getting their advantage through access. And that’s a bad sign.

Kara Swisher

We are headed more towards India right now than we have been in the past... wildly fucking corrupt, where officials extract unfair rents from businesses.

Scott Galloway

This to me just seemed fucking ridiculous—that the president of the United States would decide to do an infomercial for one brand and not all other American brands.

Scott Galloway

It’s a move that frankly suggests he values his own political future more than holding some of the world’s most toxic media figures accountable for their corrosive impacts on society.

Kara Swisher (quoting and endorsing Oliver Darcy’s critique of Gavin Newsom)

Amazon’s Trump-related content deals and the perception of soft corporate briberyGavin Newsom’s podcast strategy and the ethics of platforming extremist figuresThe economic logic and real-world impact of Trump’s steel, aluminum, and China tariffsMarket uncertainty, recession risk, and how CEOs and investors are reactingTrump’s Tesla White House infomercial and Musk’s political donations to TrumpThe fragility of Starlink’s position as governments seek alternatives to MuskMoney in politics, regulatory favoritism, and proposed structural reforms

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