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MAGA Civil War Erupts Over Iran | Pivot

Kara and Scott unpack Trump lashing out at U.S. allies over Iran, rising oil prices, and the Pentagon's new spending request. Then, Fed Chair Jerome Powell says he'll stay on as Fed Chair until his successor is in place, while Bob Iger passes the Disney CEO baton (again). Plus, Meta’s metaverse future, OpenAI refocusing, and Kalshi facing criminal charges. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #fed #jeromepowell #iran #pentagon #bobiger #disney #meta #metaverse #openai #kalshi 00:00 Intro 9:39 Trump Rebuffed by Allies 15:56 Powell Staying Put 22:29 Meta’s Metaverse Future 31:57 OpenAI to Focus on Core Business 35:56 Iger Passes Disney CEO Baton 47:36 Kalshi Faces Charges 56:30 Rivian/Uber Deal 1:05:32 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Manolo Moreno Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Mar 20, 20261h 14mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. SXSW reflections: masculinity, chores, and the value of introspection

    Kara and Scott open with SXSW highlights, using a story about mowing a neighbor’s lawn to talk about masculinity, responsibility, and what builds character. The conversation pivots into why introspection matters personally and societally.

  2. Andreessen’s “zero introspection” and Silicon Valley’s performative nihilism

    Kara critiques Marc Andreessen’s claim that introspection is modern “manufacturing,” arguing it’s historically foundational to philosophy and religion. Scott and Kara connect the posture to a broader tech-bro, far-right-adjacent macho performance that rejects accountability.

  3. Models of responsible power: Oppenheimer, Gates, and “ramifications” thinking

    Scott argues that great technologists paired vision with moral reflection, citing Oppenheimer and Einstein. Kara adds Gates as an example of redirecting wealth toward public good, contrasting that with leaders who cash out while sowing chaos.

  4. Iran escalation: oil spike, Strait of Hormuz, and allies refusing Trump’s asks

    The show shifts to geopolitics and markets: attacks in the Gulf push oil prices up and Trump demands allied naval help. Kara notes leaks and resignations, while Scott frames the core problem as unilateralism that underestimates the value of alliances.

  5. MAGA civil war, antisemitic tropes, and the cost-of-living fallout from oil

    Kara and Scott discuss right-wing infighting over the Iran conflict and how anti-war rhetoric can slide into antisemitic scapegoating. They then connect oil shocks to household budgets and inflation, emphasizing regressive impacts on lower-income families.

  6. Jerome Powell’s defiance: Fed governance, Senate delays, and Trump’s backfire

    Powell signals he’ll remain as chair until a successor is confirmed and could stay as governor, complicating Trump’s effort to reshape the Fed. Scott explains Fed decision-making as a “board dynamic” where Powell’s credibility will continue to steer outcomes.

  7. Meta’s metaverse retreat: Horizon Worlds’ collapse and headset friction

    Kara says Meta is shutting down its VR social metaverse, while Scott argues Meta’s subsequent denial is face-saving and that the product is effectively dead. They unpack why VR adoption stalled: nausea, isolation, and human factors ignored by tech leadership.

  8. What immersive tech is actually good for: niche awe vs. everyday life

    Kara contrasts the failed metaverse with successful shared spectacles like the Sphere and IMAX, emphasizing communal experiences and new ways of seeing art. Scott argues immersion will remain niche—people want awe briefly, then want to return to normal life.

  9. OpenAI tightens focus: enterprise, coding, and pulling back from ‘everything’

    OpenAI reportedly scales back side projects to focus on core business and enterprise use cases, with Kara likening the shift to Google’s move from chaos to operational discipline. They also touch on the delayed explicit “adult mode” and safety/age-classification issues.

  10. Anthropic vs. OpenAI: the enterprise land grab and ‘Netscape vs. Google’ vibes

    Scott cites market-share and revenue momentum suggesting Anthropic is winning new enterprise spend. Kara suggests OpenAI risks becoming an early leader that gets overtaken if it doesn’t execute with focus and reliability.

  11. Disney succession: Iger hands off to Josh D’Amaro and debates his legacy

    Iger signals a transition plan with Josh D’Amaro, and Kara and Scott debate whether Iger’s tenure should be judged primarily on stock performance. They explore strategic wins (streaming, parks) against critiques (succession issues, shareholder returns).

  12. Kalshi on trial: prediction markets, gambling regulation, and perverse incentives

    Arizona brings criminal charges against Kalshi, igniting a debate about whether prediction markets are gambling or legitimate event contracts. Kara pushes for regulation parity with gambling; Scott argues markets can be valuable information—but both worry about manipulation and incentives.

  13. Uber + Rivian robotaxis: platform power, autonomous winners, and Tesla’s misses

    Uber’s investment in Rivian and plans for a large robotaxi fleet highlight how distribution (‘custody of the consumer’) can beat hardware advantages. Kara and Scott argue the biggest winners in autonomy may be Waymo and Uber, with Tesla increasingly sidelined by execution gaps.

  14. Predictions & media incentives: MAGA infighting, Sora’s future, and calling out cruelty

    Kara predicts MAGA infighting will worsen, while Scott predicts OpenAI’s Sora social app will be shut down as focus shifts to enterprise. They close by condemning Trump’s dyslexia smear and discussing how algorithms monetize outrage and cruelty.

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