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Kara and Scott discuss Trump's escalating immigration crackdowns in Chicago and Portland, and Apple and Google's decision to pull ICE-tracking apps. Then, OpenAI does an about-face on its copyright opt-out policy, and says it will give creators more control in Sora. Plus, Elon leads a Netflix boycott, and a new report says Instagram's safety features for kids are "woefully ineffective." We're going on tour! Get your tickets at https://pivottour.com #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #trump #immigration #ice #apple #google #openai #sora #hollywod #elonmusk #instagram Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 9:47 Trump’s Immigration Crackdown 26:43 OpenAI Changes Copyright Stance 29:13 Hollywood Struggles 39:26 The Latest with Elon 46:25 Instagram Safety Features “Ineffective” 51:26 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostBobbi Brownguest
Oct 7, 20251h 5mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Algorithms, Authoritarians, And Anger: How Tech Fuels Manufactured Division

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway argue that much of today’s political rage—especially around immigration and campus culture—is being deliberately manufactured by politicians and amplified by social media algorithms optimized for engagement and profit. They frame Trump-era ICE raids, masked federal agents, and attacks on judges as fascist theatrics meant to create internal enemies rather than real security. In parallel, they criticize big tech and AI firms like OpenAI, Meta, and social platforms for exploiting user data, creators’ IP, and youth attention while offering only cosmetic safeguards. Throughout, they connect these trends to broader economic shifts in media, Hollywood, telecoms, and universities, warning that unregulated tech power is reshaping society, eroding trust, and widening inequality.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Authoritarian-style immigration theatrics are designed to divide, not protect.

The deployment of National Guard troops, masked ICE agents, and aggressive raids in cities like Chicago and Portland are framed as fascist tactics that create a sense of internal enemies, intimidate communities, and generate viral images of cruelty—without meaningfully improving public safety.

Social media platforms and algorithms systemically monetize anger and tribalism.

Swisher and Galloway emphasize that platforms make more money when users are outraged and siloed; rage-inducing content about ICE abuses or culture-war issues is surfaced because it drives engagement and ad revenue, even though most Americans are less divided in real life than online feeds suggest.

Tech companies cannot be trusted to self-regulate on privacy, kids’ safety, or IP.

From Apple and Google pulling ICE-tracking apps under government pressure, to Meta’s ineffective teen safety tools, to OpenAI’s initial opt-out stance on copyrighted content, the hosts argue that platforms consistently privilege growth and profit over user rights, children’s wellbeing, and creators’ ownership.

AI and streaming are hollowing out Hollywood’s creative middle class.

Galloway links Netflix’s global production arbitrage and the coming wave of generative AI to the erosion of well-paid behind-the-scenes jobs in LA (crew, costume, sound, animators), suggesting wealth and opportunity are being sucked from Southern California to Silicon Valley and global tax-haven production hubs.

Banning or strictly age-gating youth social media use is more realistic than “safety features.”

Given strong evidence that mobile social media correlates with teen anxiety and depression, they argue for hard legal limits: no social media under 16 and no synthetic/AI relationships under 18, noting that parental controls alone can’t work if every other kid is still on the platforms.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Fascism, the juice of fascism, is trying to convince people that the enemy is within.

Scott Galloway

We're not that divided. We're just being divided.

Scott Galloway (citing and agreeing with Thomas Friedman)

These people should not be trusted with our information or decision-making about our society… it is heroin, and it will not end well if we don't take some control of this.

Kara Swisher, on social media platforms

They are rapacious information thieves. You don't own this, get your dirty mitts off of it or pay the people who made it in the first place.

Kara Swisher, on OpenAI and copyright

No one under the age of 16 should be allowed on a social media platform… a 15-year-old smoking cigarettes is less dangerous than a 15-year-old on Instagram.

Scott Galloway

Trump administration immigration crackdowns, ICE raids, and the use of masked federal agents in US cities“Manufactured division” and how social media algorithms monetize rage and polarizationBig Tech’s role in surveillance, data privacy, and content moderation (Apple/Google app removals, ICE social monitoring)AI, copyright, and creative industries (OpenAI Sora, IP theft concerns, impact on Hollywood and LA’s middle class)Elon Musk’s political interventions: Netflix boycott, Chinese investment in SpaceX, Starlink’s growing powerYouth mental health, Instagram’s inadequate safety measures, and proposed age limits for social mediaHigher education under political pressure: Trump’s proposed compact for universities, thought control, and foreign students

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