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Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss President-elect Donald Trump's controversial picks for key security positions in his administration. They dig into Kash Patel's previous statements about getting revenge on Trump's enemies, damning new reports about Pete Hegseth's past behavior, and Tulsi Gabbard role as a possible Russian sympathizer. Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot #pivot #podcast #donaldtrump #kashpatel #petehegseth #tulsigabbard #nationalsecurity #secretaryofdefense #fbi

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Dec 3, 202411mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:30

    Kash Patel tapped for FBI: loyalty test and threats to Trump’s critics

    Kara opens with Trump’s reported pick of Kash Patel to lead the FBI, describing him as a loyalist who has pledged to target Trump’s enemies, including media figures. She notes early signals of support from some Senate Republicans alongside notable skepticism from others.

  2. 0:30 – 1:00

    Replacing Chris Wray: the institutional shock of firing a 10-year FBI director

    The discussion flags a practical and symbolic problem: Patel would have to remove current FBI Director Chris Wray, who was appointed by Trump to a 10-year term. Kara underscores how unusual and destabilizing such a move would be given Wray’s term runs until 2027.

  3. 1:00 – 1:30

    New Yorker whistleblower allegations against Pete Hegseth: drinking, harassment, mismanagement

    Kara summarizes a detailed New Yorker report painting Hegseth as a deeply problematic leader in prior roles, alleging heavy drinking, abuse toward women, harassment, dishonesty, and financial mismanagement. She emphasizes the piece’s reporting breadth and how it frames Hegseth as unfit for top responsibility.

  4. 1:30 – 1:51

    The mother’s email to Hegseth: private family message becomes public signal

    They turn to a New York Times revelation: a 2018 email from Hegseth’s mother calling him an abuser of women, later characterized by her as written in anger. Kara and Scott grapple with the ethics of publicizing it while admitting it reads as credible and emotionally devastating.

  5. 1:51 – 2:03

    Changing standards for public office and confirmations

    Scott reflects on how nomination norms have shifted, recalling a time when far less serious personal history could derail high-level appointments. The exchange frames today’s tolerance for misconduct allegations as a broader institutional and cultural erosion.

  6. 2:03 – 4:18

    Patel vs. Wray: credibility, nonpartisanship, and the danger of weaponizing the FBI

    Scott calls Patel an ‘odd’ figure—highlighting his reported desire to prosecute opponents and his pro-Trump media output—while praising Wray as a rare, institution-first official. He argues Wray’s perceived neutrality improves congressional oversight and reflects commitment to country over party.

  7. 4:18 – 4:54

    The New Yorker ending and counterattacks: discrediting accusers and aggressive spin

    Kara returns to the New Yorker reporting, focusing on how defenders allegedly attempted to smear accusers, including claims about fabricated allegations that law enforcement contradicted. She stresses the volume of accusations and notes many accusers are conservatives, undercutting a partisan-dismissal narrative.

  8. 4:54 – 5:51

    Hegseth’s fitness to lead Defense: competence, sobriety, and nuclear-level decision-making

    Kara argues that even allowing for post-deployment struggles, Hegseth’s reported behavior and leadership record suggest he couldn’t run large, high-stakes organizations. She draws a line from managerial competence and judgment to the gravity of defense decisions, including escalation risks.

  9. 5:51 – 7:42

    Security apparatus ‘thrown in the towel’: Gabbard as the most frightening nominee

    Scott contends Trump’s team appears more selective on economic roles but reckless on national security posts. He singles out Tulsi Gabbard as uniquely dangerous, arguing intelligence officials must trust their leaders will protect sources and methods above all else.

  10. 7:42 – 8:28

    Allies, intelligence-sharing, and America First: why trust is a strategic asset

    Scott expands the argument: U.S. security depends on allied cooperation (Europe, Mossad, MI6, etc.) and shared intelligence on terrorism, IP theft, and biothreats. He questions whether allies would continue sharing sensitive information under leaders they don’t trust.

  11. 8:28 – 9:16

    ‘Acceptable alternatives’ and why these picks feel uniquely extreme

    Kara notes there were other, more conventional Republican options—competent even if ideologically different—making these selections stand out as provocations rather than standard partisan governance. She characterizes Hegseth as incompetent and dangerous, Patel as unstable, and Gabbard as aligned with adversarial narratives.

  12. 9:16 – 10:03

    Consequences: chaos, distraction from ‘kitchen-table’ promises, and looming investigative battles

    Kara predicts that controversial security nominations will consume political oxygen, trigger institutional turmoil (including a potential Wray firing), and derail practical governance priorities. She argues voters focused on costs of living didn’t sign up for institutional upheaval.

  13. 10:03 – 11:41

    Final warnings: role-model harm, press intimidation, and what to read next

    Scott calls Hegseth a damaging cultural signal to young men, while elevating Patel as a direct threat due to rhetoric about prosecuting journalists. Kara closes by urging audiences to read the mother’s letter and major investigative reporting, anticipating similarly troubling scrutiny of Patel and Gabbard.

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