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Scott-Free August continues as Kara is joined by host of The New York Times' @CannonballPodcast, Wesley Morris. Kara and Wesley discuss President Trump’s beef with the “woke” Smithsonian, The White House’s new TikTok account, and South Park’s latest Trump Administration burn. Then, Taylor Swift hits the podcast world. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #wesleymorris #trump #smithsonian #tiktok #taylorswift #southpark #kennedycenterhonors Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 21:04 Trump’s Attack on the Smithsonian 30:23 Trump’s Kennedy Center Honorees 38:21 White House Joins TikTok 43:54 South Park Does It Again 53:22 Taylor Swift: Podcaster 1:04:29 Predictions You can watch more from Wesley Morris on his YouTube show: @CannonballPodcast Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Kara SwisherhostWesley Morrisguest
Aug 21, 20251h 10mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

South Park, Trump’s Smithsonian Crusade, and Taylor Swift’s Podcast Power

  1. Kara Swisher and guest co-host Wesley Morris unpack Donald Trump’s latest cultural offensives, from threatening the Smithsonian’s slavery narratives to reshaping the Kennedy Center Honors, and how this fits a broader project of propaganda and historical “purification.” They analyze South Park’s savage new season skewering Trump, tech CEOs, and AI, and contrast that blunt satire with other cultural touchstones like Sex and the City’s revival, Spike Lee’s new film, and the state of summer movies. The conversation also dissects the White House’s use of TikTok despite past national security rhetoric, and the fragmentation of the social media landscape. Finally, they dive into Taylor Swift’s blockbuster appearance on Travis Kelce’s podcast as a masterclass in controlled authenticity and promotional power, before ending on a prediction that Adam Sandler is finally headed for an Oscar nomination.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Trump’s attacks on the Smithsonian fit a broader push to rewrite US history.

Morris frames Trump’s demand that museums spotlight the “brightness of America” over “how bad slavery was” as classic propaganda—an attempt to purify national narratives, minimize atrocities like slavery, and test-drive this approach in Washington, DC before exporting it to other cities.

The Kennedy Center Honors are becoming another Trump-branded cultural stage.

By installing allies, ousting longtime chair David Rubenstein, picking honorees like Stallone, KISS, and Gloria Gaynor, and openly joking about honoring himself, Trump is trying to turn a bipartisan, establishment arts ritual into a personal prestige vehicle and culture-war showcase.

South Park’s power comes from saying the quiet part out loud, relentlessly.

Swisher and Morris note that the show’s crude animation masks a very direct comedic ideology: it turns subtext into text, openly mocking Trump’s alleged bribery, tech’s sycophancy, and his “micropenis,” while also needling everyone from religion to trans issues with equal-opportunity cruelty.

Audience expectations around diversity shifted how legacy shows like SATC must evolve.

They argue that And Just Like That smartly absorbed criticism of the original’s whiteness by introducing characters like Sarita Choudhury’s real-estate mogul and Nicole Ari Parker’s Lisa in ways that feel socially and character-logically plausible, rather than tokenistic box-checking.

Social media is fragmenting, and younger users are gravitating to utility over spectacle.

While Trump cynically vacillates between calling TikTok a national security threat and exploiting it politically, both hosts describe their own and their kids’ drift toward Reddit and YouTube—for practical information and entertainment—rather than performative platforms like X.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you remove slavery, we’re not America anymore. Like, who are we?

Wesley Morris

There is not a number high enough to describe how bad slavery was.

Kara Swisher

This is propaganda at its most blatant. Purifying the story of American history is part of it.

Wesley Morris

The Easter egg is an omelet on South Park. You don’t have to look for it—they just say it.

Wesley Morris

Taylor Swift does as she damn well pleases.

Kara Swisher

Wesley Morris’s new NYT culture podcast “Cannonball” and his approach to criticismThe evolution and cultural significance of Sex and the City / And Just Like ThatTrump’s culture war: Smithsonian slavery comments and reshaping the Kennedy Center HonorsSouth Park’s renewed political bite targeting Trump, tech CEOs, and ChatGPTSocial media shifts: TikTok, national security talk, and the rise of Reddit/Threads/YouTubeTaylor Swift’s appearance on New Heights podcast and her broader cultural dominanceSpeculation about Adam Sandler’s “serious actor” phase and potential Oscar recognition

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