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Tesla Asks Shareholders to Approve Elon Musk's Multi-Billion Payout | Pivot

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss Tesla asking its shareholders to restore Elon Musk's pay package (despite a Delaware judge voiding it earlier this year). Will Elon get his billions, in spite of Tesla's current struggles? #pivot #podcast #elonmusk #tesla

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Apr 19, 20246mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:30

    Tesla reopens Musk’s pay vote and proposes moving incorporation to Texas

    Kara lays out Tesla’s request that shareholders reapprove Elon Musk’s massive compensation plan after a Delaware judge rejected it as unfair. She notes the simultaneous proposal to move Tesla’s corporate home from Delaware to Texas, widely seen as an attempt to sidestep Delaware’s governance scrutiny.

  2. 0:30 – 1:00

    Why approval is likely: shareholder loyalty and “key man” dynamics

    Kara argues the vote will probably pass because Tesla’s shareholder base is unusually loyal to Musk and tends to bid the stock up regardless of controversy. She frames Musk as the “key man” and suggests the company has become overly dependent on him.

  3. 1:00 – 1:40

    Setting the context: Tesla’s weak 2024 performance and the shrinking headline payout

    Kara cites Tesla’s poor year-to-date stock performance and quantifies how the pay package’s apparent value fell as the stock dropped. She connects the payout debate to Musk’s desire for greater control.

  4. 1:40 – 2:19

    Galloway: the pay figure is misleading because it’s options valuation, not cash

    Scott agrees reinstatement is likely, but emphasizes the headline number can be deceptive. He explains that the award was stock options granted when the stock price was much lower, so the original economic value was far less than today’s paper value.

  5. 2:19 – 3:20

    A simple analogy: how options can balloon after a stock run-up

    Scott uses a hypothetical example (options at a media company) to show how a grant that seemed reasonable at issuance can look outrageous after a 10x increase. The point is to judge compensation based on initial valuation and terms, not only end-state outcomes.

  6. 3:20 – 4:02

    Governance indictment: a board “in his pocket” and Delaware court’s warning

    Kara pivots back to governance, arguing Delaware’s critique matters because Tesla’s board is unusually compromised and socially/financially intertwined with Musk. She treats the episode as emblematic of broader corporate board failures, with Tesla as an extreme case.

  7. 4:02 – 4:48

    Business fundamentals vs. personality drama: tired product, brand damage, tougher market

    Kara argues the central issue isn’t whether Musk is paid enough, but whether Tesla can compete as its lineup ages and consumer sentiment shifts. She highlights competitive pressure and the brand impact of Musk’s behavior as key headwinds.

  8. 4:48 – 5:08

    More bad signals: worst S&P performer, delivery miss, and layoffs

    Scott adds more near-term indicators of trouble: Tesla’s stock ranking, disappointing delivery numbers, and workforce reductions. He views layoffs as potentially necessary but underscores that the company appears to be in a down cycle.

  9. 5:08 – 5:44

    Compensation as the hardest board problem—and a governance “signal” from the ruling

    Scott broadens the conversation to how difficult compensation decisions are for boards, especially under scrutiny. He argues the Delaware intervention may constrain future attempts to further entrench Musk’s control through new share structures or off-market deals.

  10. 5:44 – 6:37

    Kara’s bottom line: Tesla’s challenge is execution, not Musk’s pay—robotaxi hype won’t be enough

    Kara concludes that the company’s problems are operational and competitive, not compensation-related. She argues Musk needs to refocus away from X/Twitter-style distractions and deliver standout products, but doubts “robotaxi” showmanship can overcome the market’s new reality.

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