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What's Next for Elon Musk After Judge Voids Tesla Pay Package

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss Elon Musk's major loss in Delaware court, where a judge voided his $55 billion pay package from Tesla, deeming it "excessive." Will Elon appeal the verdict? Reincorporate Tesla in Texas? Stay tuned... #pivot #podcast #elonmusk #tesla

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Feb 5, 202412mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:24

    Delaware judge voids Musk’s $55B Tesla pay package

    Kara outlines the Delaware court decision that cancels Elon Musk’s 2018 Tesla compensation plan, calling it an “unfathomable sum” approved through a flawed process. She frames the core issue as governance: a board stacked with allies and an approval process that didn’t protect shareholders.

    • Judge Kathaleen McCormick voids Musk’s ~$55B package
    • Ruling emphasizes unfairness to shareholders and a deeply flawed approval process
    • Tesla must cancel the stock options award (~$51B in value)
    • Board now must craft a new plan that can survive legal scrutiny
    • Set-up for what this means for Musk’s control goals (e.g., 25% stake)
  2. 1:24 – 2:20

    Why this ruling is rare: courts almost never unwind CEO comp

    Scott explains how unusual it is for a court to reject a compensation plan after shareholders approved it. He argues the decision signals the court viewed Tesla’s board as fundamentally conflicted and incapable of acting as proper fiduciaries.

    • Scott hasn’t seen a comp package fully rejected like this before
    • Normally shareholders indirectly ratify comp by choosing the board
    • Court action implies governance failures severe enough to override deference
    • Scott distinguishes “big number” from “broken process”
    • Focus shifts to conflicts, independence, and fiduciary duty
  3. 2:20 – 2:50

    Process over price: conflicts and weak justification sink the plan

    Scott notes the ruling isn’t simply about the magnitude of the award, and that performance-based pay can be defensible in principle. The problem is how the plan was constructed and justified—by a board too close to Musk to negotiate at arm’s length.

    • Performance-based structure could be argued as proportionate to value creation
    • Court highlights conflicts and poor rationalization more than pure size
    • The board’s closeness to Musk undermines credibility
    • A “rubber-stamp” board creates legal vulnerability
    • Governance optics become a material corporate risk
  4. 2:50 – 4:25

    Musk’s response and ‘move to Texas’ threats meet corporate reality

    Scott and Kara react to Musk’s public posts and threats, including suggesting shareholders should divest and floating reincorporation to Texas. They stress that CEOs answer to shareholders, not the other way around, and question whether the relocation threat is even feasible.

    • Musk posts anti-Delaware message and lashes out at shareholders
    • Scott: shareholders choose leadership; CEOs don’t choose shareholders
    • Reincorporation threats framed as “jazz hands” rather than a solution
    • Kara questions practicality/legality of moving incorporation
    • Underlying tension: Musk wants more control while governance demands constraints
  5. 4:25 – 5:46

    How Tesla’s board got here: extreme coziness and lack of independence

    Kara details examples from the record that portray Tesla’s board as unusually intertwined with Musk personally and professionally. She argues the board failed to set boundaries on behavior and risk, reinforcing the view that Musk effectively authored his own pay plan.

    • Board relationships depicted as deeply personal and non-independent
    • Examples include close friendships/family ties and emotional testimony
    • Kara: boards are often cozy, but this case crossed the line
    • Board didn’t curb reputational harm (e.g., social media behavior)
    • Conclusion: Musk ‘wrote it’ and the board rubber-stamped it
  6. 5:46 – 6:30

    Appeal path and the ripple effect: Musk’s other compensation demands

    Scott lays out that Musk can appeal to the Delaware Supreme Court, but expects the ruling to stand. He connects this case to Musk’s broader pattern of pressuring the board—such as threats tied to additional compensation and AI/IP leverage.

    • Appeal would go to the Delaware Supreme Court
    • Scott expects Chancellor McCormick’s decision to be upheld
    • Context: Musk also pushed for additional ~$75B in compensation
    • Scott characterizes Musk’s leverage tactics as coercive/blackmail-like
    • Court’s message: the board’s governance posture is unacceptable
  7. 6:30 – 7:21

    Reincorporation risk: moving to Texas could trigger new investor lawsuits

    Kara cites reporting that Musk would likely face lawsuits if Tesla tried to reincorporate in Texas, especially if seen as an attempt to restore the pay package. They frame it as transparent forum-shopping and remind listeners this is the same judge who forced Musk to close the Twitter deal.

    • Legal experts: Texas move likely to be challenged by investors
    • Motivation matters—pay-package-driven relocation risks claims of bad faith
    • Shareholders must consider how state law affects governance rights
    • Kara notes McCormick also oversaw the Musk/Twitter litigation
    • They interpret the move as searching for a friendlier venue
  8. 7:21 – 8:42

    Fiduciary duty explained: what boards owe the other 85%

    Scott uses the concept of fiduciary duty to explain why the court intervened: directors must represent all shareholders, not just the CEO/founder. He emphasizes Musk’s minority ownership and argues Tesla’s board failed to act for the broader stakeholder set and public-company obligations.

    • Definition of fiduciary: serving others’ interests even when inconvenient
    • Musk owns roughly 12–15%, so board must protect remaining shareholders
    • Scott expands duty to broader stakeholders and public-company obligations
    • Delaware signals that retail investors require stronger protections
    • Board seen as serving one stakeholder—Musk—at others’ expense
  9. 8:42 – 9:08

    What happens next: rebuild the compensation committee with credibility

    Scott predicts Tesla’s practical path forward is not relocation, but board and committee changes that demonstrate independence. The central challenge is finding directors credible enough for courts and investors while still acceptable to Musk.

    • Scott: reincorporation likely won’t happen; governance fixes will
    • Tesla must replace or refresh the compensation committee
    • Need an independent director with real credibility to lead comp decisions
    • Core contradiction: Musk wants loyalty; courts demand independence
    • Future comp packages risk rejection without structural reform
  10. 9:08 – 9:44

    Why people will still join: power, protection, and D&O insurance

    Kara doubts qualified directors would want the legal and reputational exposure, but Scott argues board service remains attractive because of proximity to power and strong legal protections. He notes directors are rarely personally punished, which helps explain board complacency.

    • Kara: serving on Tesla’s board looks lawsuit-prone and unattractive
    • Scott: allure of power draws people in (analogy to political cabinets)
    • Directors are insulated by D&O insurance and structural protections
    • Even major scandals rarely produce serious director consequences
    • This protection contributes to board ‘coziness’ and risk tolerance
  11. 9:44 – 10:33

    Governance precedent: retroactive rejection and a message on CEO pay

    They underscore how extraordinary it is for a compensation package to be rejected retroactively. Scott argues the ruling strengthens corporate governance broadly and pushes back on decades of accelerating CEO-to-worker pay ratios.

    • They emphasize rarity: comp package rejection is almost unheard of
    • Decision is retroactive, though Musk hadn’t exercised options
    • Scott: it blocks board from credibly granting even larger new awards
    • McCormick portrayed as unimpressed by celebrity and focused on law
    • Ruling signals to boards that fiduciary obligations must be real
  12. 10:33 – 12:09

    Musk’s public conduct and legacy: ‘cautionary tale’ vs. visionary builder

    Kara criticizes Musk’s rule-breaking and persona, calling him a toddler rather than a truth-teller. Scott offers a balanced close: Musk is a product and risk-taking genius who has been broadly beneficial, but is becoming a cautionary tale in governance and behavior.

    • Kara: Musk’s antics and self-mythologizing damage credibility
    • She frames him as undisciplined and poorly behaved
    • Scott: acknowledges Musk’s exceptional product vision and impact
    • Net assessment: beneficial contributions coexist with governance dysfunction
    • Closing note: Musk’s trajectory risks becoming a cautionary tale

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