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50 Days Alone In Antarctica: "How Solitude Revealed Life’s True Meaning & Purpose" | Erling Kagge

AG1 is sponsoring today's show. To get 1 year's FREE VITAMIN D and 5 FREE TRAVEL PACKS visit: https://bit.ly/43FwxQl Book Download my FREE Habit Change Guide HERE: https://bit.ly/3VCaV34 Order MAKE CHANGE THAT LASTS. US & Canada version https://amzn.to/3RyO3SL UK version https://amzn.to/3Kt5rUK This week, I'm joined by the remarkable Erling Kagge, Norwegian adventurer, philosopher and acclaimed writer. Erling is the first person to complete the "Three Poles Challenge" - reaching the North Pole, the South Pole, and the summit of Mount Everest on foot. After this record-breaking feat, Erling attended Cambridge University to study philosophy. He’s also the author of multiple best-selling books, including, Silence: In the Age of Noise and Walking: One Step at a Time. When Erling was 29, he did something most of us can't imagine - he walked alone to the South Pole for 50 days in complete silence, with no radio contact whatsoever. What started as a physical journey across ice became something far more profound - a journey into himself. In our conversation, we explore • Why Erling believes silence is where "the world's secrets are hidden" and how finding quiet moments can help us get to know ourselves better - and appreciate others more • Erling’s surprising relationship with fear and how being "one with the environment" creates an unexpected sense of peace even in extreme danger - like facing a charging polar bear! • The three simple origins of true gratefulness that Erling found during his expeditions: feeling warm after being cold, feeling full after being hungry and resting after exhaustion – experiences most of us rarely have in our comfortable modern lives • How our experience of boredom has completely changed – from being bored because nothing is happening to feeling bored because too many things are happening at once • Why Erling believes we should actually "make our lives more difficult" on purpose and how this approach helps us find meaning and satisfaction • Practical ideas for bringing moments of silence into our busy lives – whether it's walking without your phone, taking the stairs instead of the lift, or just standing still for a few minutes As Erling reminds us, most of us don't realise what we're truly capable of. His encouragement to break free from limiting beliefs, to move our bodies more, and to add variety to our routines offers a practical path toward a more meaningful life. In his words, finding fulfilment is about "finding your own North Pole" – a journey that asks us to be brave enough to face ourselves in silence. I hope you enjoy listening. #feelbetterlivemore ----- Erling’s books: The North Pole: The History of an Obsession UK https://amzn.to/3EutZxz US https://amzn.to/3EMlbD7 Silence: In the Age of Noise UK https://amzn.to/4cWYWHi US https://amzn.to/3RBRc3J The Philosophy of an Explorer: 16 Life-lessons from Surviving the Extreme UK https://amzn.to/42zD7dq US https://amzn.to/3RClljt Walking: One Step at a Time UK https://amzn.to/42QOEnv US https://amzn.to/4jTFKfQ Philosophy for Polar Explorers: An Adventurer’s Guide to Surviving Winter UK https://amzn.to/44NiDzc #feelbetterlivemore #feelbetterlivemorepodcast ------- Order MAKE CHANGE THAT LASTS. US & Canada version https://amzn.to/3RyO3SL, UK version https://amzn.to/3Kt5rUK ----- Follow Dr Chatterjee at: Website: https://drchatterjee.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drchatterjee Twitter: https://twitter.com/drchatterjeeuk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drchatterjee/ Newsletter: https://drchatterjee.com/subscription DISCLAIMER: The content in the podcast and on this webpage is not intended to constitute or be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on the podcast or on my website.

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Apr 30, 20251h 51mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 2:33

    Noise vs. inner silence: why distraction keeps us from ourselves

    Erling Kagge explains what he means by “silence” and why it’s so valuable in modern life. He reframes noise to include not just sound, but every kind of sensory and digital distraction that pulls attention away from self-awareness.

    • Silence helps you know yourself and enjoy your own company
    • “Noise” includes phones, notifications, light, smells, and constant stimulation
    • Noise often functions as a way to run away from yourself
    • Inner silence isn’t withdrawal from life—it’s a route to a richer, happier life
  2. 2:33 – 4:52

    50 days alone to the South Pole: the first shock, then deep adaptation

    Kagge describes what it was like to ski alone for 50 days in Antarctica without communication. The first days were restless and uncomfortable, but soon the solitude became natural—and transformative.

    • Initial restlessness: missing people, stimulation, and reassurance
    • Adaptation: attention shifts outward to nature and inward to the self
    • Solitude reduced the need for company—only physical contact was missed
    • The expedition became “a journey into myself” more than a geographic goal
  3. 4:52 – 6:22

    Silence that opens you to the world: solitude as social strength

    The conversation explores the apparent contradiction between humans as social beings and Kagge’s comfort in solitude. Kagge argues that the ability to appreciate others starts with being content with yourself.

    • No contradiction: self-contentment enables healthier connection
    • Modern unhappiness comes from forgetting how to be alone
    • Living through devices and others makes genuine appreciation harder
    • Silence increases respect for others and love for life
  4. 6:22 – 7:56

    Pre-internet wasn’t truly quiet: smartphones, entertainment, and “existential boredom”

    They compare the early 1990s to today, rejecting the myth that earlier decades were automatically more peaceful. Kagge highlights how smartphones changed availability, stimulation, and the experience of boredom.

    • The 90s weren’t magically silent—life pressures were similar
    • Smartphones made us always available (and wanting to be)
    • Boredom shifted: from “nothing happening” to “too many alternatives”
    • Chronic stimulation creates a different, more existential boredom
  5. 7:56 – 11:03

    Choosing solitude on purpose: the radio batteries in the bin

    Kagge tells the story of being required to carry a radio for safety—and then discarding the batteries so he couldn’t use it. The point: true solitude often requires removing temptation, not relying on willpower.

    • He complied with safety rules but eliminated the option to talk
    • Solitude was the goal, not an accident
    • Simplicity of life becomes a long moving meditation
    • Routines and present-moment living quiet mental “noise” about past/future
  6. 11:03 – 13:26

    “I don’t have time” for solitude: why small doses still matter

    Kagge challenges the common excuse that there’s no time for solitude, while acknowledging some life phases are harder. Even ten minutes is meaningful, and modern life has drifted toward too much noise and too little aloneness.

    • People underestimate what’s possible in their lives
    • 10 minutes of solitude is far better than none
    • Solitude and silence can be negative or healing depending on context
    • Today’s default environment is over-noisy and under-solitary
  7. 13:26 – 18:00

    Digital withdrawal is real: kids, smartphones, and the need for nature

    Dr. Chatterjee shares a school experiment where 12-year-olds gave up devices for 21 days, mirroring Kagge’s “first days are hard” experience. Kagge argues we should pair tech reduction with more outdoor life—especially for children.

    • First 2–3 days resembled drug withdrawal; then calm increased
    • Measured improvements: anxiety/depression down, sleep up, social connection up
    • Many children spend shockingly little time outside
    • Nature + movement amplifies the benefits of reduced screen time
  8. 18:00 – 21:48

    Meaning through difficulty: boredom, silence, and the modern “meaning crisis”

    They connect constant stimulation to a lack of meaning and argue solitude is a pathway back. Kagge emphasizes that meaning often requires choosing the harder option and intentionally adding challenge to comfortable modern lives.

    • Silence isn’t emptiness; it’s a gateway to self-discovery
    • Kagge’s thesis: we should often make life a little more difficult
    • Chatterjee links low-grade anxiety to not regularly testing ourselves
    • Resilience comes from discomfort, movement, and real-world evidence of coping
  9. 21:48 – 24:03

    Practical stillness: walking as meditation and 20-minute self-hypnosis

    Kagge shares how he “meditates” through walking without a phone and practices self-hypnosis most afternoons. He describes it as a simple, learnable tool for energy, refreshment, and accessing the subconscious.

    • Walking (phone-free) as a form of meditation
    • Self-hypnosis: easy to learn, 20 minutes, often in late afternoon
    • Benefits: energy, mental reset, working with the subconscious
    • Sometimes used for pure silence; sometimes to develop ideas
  10. 24:03 – 30:30

    Time is not clock time: how walking expands time and life feels longer

    They explore time as a human construct and how subjective time differs from measured time. Kagge argues we feel “short on time” partly because of screen habits, while walking and novelty expand our lived experience of time.

    • “No time” often reflects priorities (e.g., heavy social media use)
    • Novelty makes time feel expansive (e.g., brief travel feels long)
    • Driving may be faster but shrinks experience; walking expands it
    • Gratitude and meaning grow when we’re present and embodied
  11. 30:30 – 31:31

    Sponsor break (AG1)

    A brief advertisement for AG1, positioned as a convenient daily foundational nutrition supplement. The episode then returns to the discussion on time, walking, and lived experience.

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    • Transition back to the main conversation
  12. 31:31 – 36:11

    Seeing cities in slow motion: walking across LA and beneath New York

    Kagge describes a project walking long distances through cities to experience them differently. In LA, walking was so unusual they were stopped by police; in NYC, he explored via underground tunnels to see the city “inside out.”

    • Walking 45–50 km across LA reveals a different social and sensory reality
    • They stayed on two main avenues and embraced spontaneous encounters (e.g., Scientology tour)
    • Police suspicion underscored how rare walking is in car-centric cities
    • NYC tunnel traverse showed how the underground mirrors life above ground
  13. 36:11 – 49:56

    Simplicity, hunger, and gratitude: why the whiskey stayed sealed

    They return to the South Pole experience to examine monotony, real hunger, and satisfaction without distractions. Kagge explains how deprivation restores gratitude—warmth after cold, food after starvation, rest after exhaustion.

    • He carried whiskey to celebrate milestones but never wanted it
    • Simple routines and presence made intoxication feel like a distraction
    • Same food became delicious as exhaustion and hunger increased
    • Gratitude’s “origins”: warmth, fullness, and rest—often missing in modern life
  14. 49:56 – 56:10

    Returning from extreme solitude: the first conversation and civilization shock

    Kagge recalls arriving at the South Pole base and how jarring human contact felt after weeks alone. He argues phones can actually make expeditions harder by preventing full solitude and keeping you tethered to everyday worries.

    • First greeting felt surreal; reintegration into social life was brutal
    • He retreated to his tent outside the base to cope
    • Frustration manifested physically (stomach pain)
    • Phones keep the outside world present and dilute the inner journey
  15. 56:10 – 1:04:24

    Silent retreats and family life: ‘egocentric’ but not selfish

    Dr. Chatterjee asks whether going away for a week of silence is selfish when you have dependents. Kagge argues it can be healthy for everyone if done with generosity and returns you calmer, more present, and more caring.

    • A week away can improve relationships by creating space
    • Partners need generosity; the returning person must come back positively changed
    • Most people can manage it more easily than they think
    • Relationships often improve when both allow each other restorative solitude
  16. 1:04:24 – 1:17:49

    North Pole philosophy: ‘there is no there there’ and time as a construct

    They dive into Kagge’s North Pole book and its core metaphor: the destination is often an idea, not a transformative endpoint. The North Pole’s physical and cartographic oddities illustrate how human constructs (like time and place) shape perception.

    • The North Pole is floating ice—visually similar to nearby Arctic Ocean
    • All longitudes converge; it’s elusive and hard to represent on flat maps
    • At the pole, time zones and ‘time travel’ reveal time’s constructed nature
    • Journey over destination: outcomes fade, process and presence endure
  17. 1:17:49 – 1:36:29

    Fear, oneness with nature, and a polar bear encounter

    Kagge recounts a life-or-death polar bear attack near the North Pole and how he and his partner stayed rational by suppressing fear. The story illustrates how prolonged immersion in nature reduces perceived separation—and changes how fear is experienced.

    • Being ‘part of the environment’ can reduce fear in extreme conditions
    • They waited until the bear was close due to handgun limitations
    • After the shot, suppressed fear surfaced as shaking and adrenaline release
    • They documented self-defense and discuss ethics of killing a protected animal
  18. 1:36:29 – 1:48:52

    Motivation, fathers and sons: the hidden emotional engine of exploration

    A key passage from Kagge’s foreword reveals a deeper motivation: the longing for a father’s respect and love. Kagge connects his own story to ancient narratives (Odyssey) and notes how many explorers share complicated father relationships.

    • Masculine values in childhood linked achievement in nature to respect
    • The father-son relationship is historically complex and culturally recurring
    • Many North Pole explorers had absent/difficult fathers
    • Later reconciliation: forgiveness changed the meaning of past struggles
  19. 1:48:52 – 1:51:57

    Advice for feeling stuck: movement, nature, variation, and finding your ‘own North Pole’

    To close, Kagge offers practical guidance for people who feel lost or purposeless. His core message is that people underestimate themselves—and that meaning is built through action, movement, and stepping away from screen-based living.

    • Break inherited beliefs like ‘I can’t’ that shape adult identity
    • Move your body—walking as the simplest catalyst for change
    • Seek nature and create variation to expand lived experience
    • Be ‘brutal’ in a compassionate way: reduce screens and choose the harder, meaningful path

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