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How SOCIETY & CULTURE Leads Us Down A Path Of TRAUMA & ADDICTION | Dr. Gabor Maté

Today I’m excited to welcome Dr Gabor Maté back to the podcast for a third time. Gabor is a fellow physician, author, speaker and friend who brings warmth and wisdom to every conversation we have.

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Sep 14, 20221h 56mWatch on YouTube

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CHAPTERS

Chapter summaries

  1. Addiction as the Most Human Thing

    Gabor Maté defines addiction as any behavior offering temporary relief that continues despite harm, and argues it is an attempt at emotional pain relief rather than a moral failing. He says the key question is why the pain, not why the addiction, and ties this to his book The Myth of Normal.

    • •Addiction defined by pleasure or relief, craving, and continuing despite harm
    • •Covers behaviors from drugs to sex, shopping, gaming and work
    • •People say addiction gave them peace, connection, control and purpose
    • •Ask 'why the pain' rather than 'why the addiction'
    • •Singling out one segment of society to punish denies our own humanity
  2. Pornography, Shame and the Missing Tribe

    Rangan describes a patient ashamed of his online pornography addiction who found healing in a boxing club community. Maté explains the role of compassion and dopamine, and the two discuss how some addictions are treated as acceptable while others are not.

    • •Patient had told no one and was isolated without a community
    • •Joining a boxing club gave him a tribe
    • •Maté says compassion is needed for people to see the truth
    • •Pornography addiction is about a dopamine spike and wanting to feel alive
    • •Instagram, shopping and power are tolerated addictions
  3. A Culture That Demands Self-Suppression

    Maté argues that society's materialistic, individualistic and competitive values run against human nature, using the zebra-in-the-zoo analogy. Rangan shares how shedding childhood adaptations let addictive tendencies fall away, and critiques public health guidance on alcohol that ignores the role it plays.

    • •Society demands people be other than who they are
    • •We evolved in small connected hunter-gatherer groups, so we live like zoo creatures
    • •Addictive tendencies fall away as adaptations are shed
    • •Alcohol limits ignore what role drinking plays in a person's life
    • •New Year resolutions fail when the underlying stressors remain
  4. Competition, Play and the Rugby Player Who Won

    The conversation turns to competition, which Maté sees as a second nature tied to capitalism rather than human nature. Rangan tells Jonny Wilkinson's story of becoming depressed after achieving his dreams, and Maté says succeeding can be a faster way to wake up than failing.

    • •Competitiveness is second nature, while the first nature is wanting to belong
    • •People call selfishness human nature but not kindness
    • •Play has been turned into cutthroat business
    • •Wilkinson went from joy of the game to winning defining who he was
    • •Success can reveal emptiness when it's all external
  5. Defining Success and Finding What Feels Authentic

    Rangan questions society's definition of success and over-consumption, including 'sustainable' products. When asked how people can see this without extreme success, Maté suggests noticing how the body feels when being authentic, and both reflect on speaking their truth.

    • •Society's success metrics center on money and consumption
    • •Sustainability only works for a small share of the world's population
    • •Critics who say it's easy for the successful make a valid point
    • •Pay attention to bodily feelings when aligned versus seeking approval
    • •Selfish and selfless motives can coexist in speaking one's truth
  6. Filling the Holes: Writing the Book and Identification with Success

    Rangan describes feeling like a different person after inner work, and Maté cites A.H. Almaas on holes in the self that society sells us stuff to fill. Maté recounts his painful book-writing process and a therapist's insight that his problem was his relationship to the book, then Rangan shares how he felt quietly content when his own book hit number one.

    • •Almaas: shut-down essential qualities become holes society exploits
    • •Maté spent 10 years researching and three years writing, and his blood pressure rose
    • •Therapist told him his problem was his relationship to the book
    • •Maté says he'd be okay if the book tanked
    • •Rangan felt no ego elevation on hearing his book was number one
  7. Doctor in the House and What Medicine Misses

    Maté reflects on his wife keeping him grounded and on late-life success, then Rangan describes the TV series where families' conditions improved. Maté says such results are what you'd expect from understanding mind-body unity and a compassionate guide, and the two discuss the flaws in medical training and its lack of self-reflection.

    • •Maté's wife wanted the real person, not his success
    • •Families in Doctor in the House improved without miracles, via a changed relationship to themselves
    • •Western medicine misses mind-body unity
    • •Medical students' telomeres fray faster and compassion declines during training
    • •Doctors can start practicing very young with little life experience
  8. Multiple Sclerosis, Evidence-Based Medicine and the Nervous System

    Maté uses multiple sclerosis to illustrate how stress and childhood trauma evidence is ignored, and both criticize the narrow use of 'evidence-based'. They discuss family doctors' advantages, how a stressed nervous system narrows a doctor's focus, and the need for self-awareness in training.

    • •Studies link childhood trauma and stress to MS, yet neurologists rarely ask about them
    • •'Practice-based evidence' versus evidence-based practice
    • •Evidence-based medicine should include clinical experience and patient preference
    • •Short consultations and chronic stress narrow doctors' perception
    • •Self-awareness matters most for chronic conditions
  9. What Stress Really Is

    Rangan asks about stress, which patients often feel dismissed by. Maté explains that stress and 'psychosomatic' are genuine psychophysiological concepts, with hypertension and fibromyalgia as examples, and that doctors using the word dismissively fail to recognize mind-body unity.

    • •Stress is a real physiological event involving adrenaline and cortisol
    • •Psychosomatic describes the unity of mind and body, not imagined illness
    • •Hypertension literally means too much tension
    • •Patients feel dismissed when doctors say 'just stress'
    • •Fibromyalgia has no diagnostic test but is linked to childhood adversity
  10. Understanding Trauma as a Wound

    Maté explains that trauma is not the event but the wound left inside a person, which can leave one both sensitized and numb. He distinguishes big-T events from small-T trauma of unmet needs, and uses depression as an example of adaptation to not being accepted with all one's emotions.

    • •Trauma is what happens inside you as a result of what happened
    • •A wound can be an open sore or a numbing scar
    • •Trauma includes what should have happened but didn't
    • •Children need to be seen, heard and accepted unconditionally
    • •Depression as pushing down emotions that clash with the family environment
  11. Parenting in a Stressful Society

    Asked how parents can minimize trauma to their kids, Maté avoids parent-blaming and criticizes sleep training and time-outs. He points to the lack of community support for parents and pregnant women, then tells the story of slapping his three-year-old son and urges parents to work on their own trauma.

    • •Society doesn't put children's needs first, and parents follow expert advice
    • •Sleep training and time-outs convey that feelings and acceptance are conditional
    • •Stress on pregnant mothers affects infant telomeres and brain development
    • •Maté describes hitting his son over a birthday song as passing on trauma
    • •Advice to parents: deal with your own trauma and check your values
  12. Letting Go of Guilt and Compassionate Inquiry

    Rangan asks what to say to parents who feel guilty about sleep training. Maté tells them not to blame themselves but to listen to their own instincts, and Rangan shares how guilt over his infant son's illness drove years of obsession. Maté says guilt predates the child, and recommends compassionate curiosity, as in Compassionate Inquiry or IFS.

    • •Parents shouldn't blame themselves for following experts' advice
    • •Listen to your heart rather than experts
    • •Rangan's guilt over his son's vitamin D–related seizure was self-created
    • •Maté says shame and guilt predate the child, so projecting them onto kids helps no one
    • •Ask 'I wonder why I did that' instead of judgmental 'why did I do this'
  13. Personality Patterns and Chronic Illness

    Maté describes four patterns he observed in people with chronic illness, including suppressing one's own needs and repressing healthy anger. He stresses these are adaptations to childhood environments, not blame, and discusses disease as a teacher, citing research on spontaneous healing.

    • •Four patterns: concern for others over self, rigid duty, repressed anger, fatal beliefs about responsibility and disappointing others
    • •These traits are adaptations, not who the person is
    • •Personality contributes to onset but there is no blame
    • •Spontaneous healing involved changes in relationship to self
    • •Rangan's patient improved after addressing childhood patterns
  14. Social Roots of Illness and Why Women Get More Autoimmune Disease

    Maté argues that illness is also social, citing higher COVID risk for people of color and autoimmune disease in indigenous women. He explains the rising female share of multiple sclerosis as a result of stress and women's socially assigned role, then outlines healing principles he shares with Rangan.

    • •Even a 10-minute visit can raise emotional factors and refer on
    • •Racial and social oppression raises disease risk
    • •MS ratio went from one-to-one to 3.5 women per man, which can't be genetics
    • •Women are acculturated into the four traits and absorb family stress
    • •Healing principles: authenticity, acceptance, agency and healthy anger

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