How To REPROGRAM Your Mind While You Sleep To Heal The BODY & MIND! | Bruce Lipton

1. 0:00 – 3:05

   Living the Life You've Been Programmed: Subconscious Autopilot

   1. BLBruce Lipton0:00

      That is one of the most important questions in this world right now. Are you living the life you want, or are you living the life you've been programmed? And the answer, unfortunately, is most of us are living the life we've been programmed. [upbeat music]

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee0:15

      A central idea in all of your work appears to be that it's our subconscious minds that are driving our day-to-day behaviors, and for many of us, it's those subconscious patterns that are sabotaging the quality of our life.

   3. BLBruce Lipton0:36

      Yeah, uh, but the big problem is when you say the word subconscious, that means below conscious. So when people are programming or playing their subconscious, they're the ones that don't see it. Uh, uh, you know, I, I talk to people, I say... Well, I give them a story for, like, forty years, the same story. I say, "You, you have a friend, and you know your friend's behavior very well, and you know your friend's parent, and one day you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent." And I joke and I say, "Well, hey, Bill, you're just like your dad." [laughs] And I, uh, and I say, "I know exactly what Bill's gonna say. First thing he's gonna say is, 'How can you compare me to my dad? I'm nothing like my dad.'" And yet everybody else can see he's like his dad. The only one who can't see it is Bill. And this becomes the most profound point because he's programmed by his dad in the first seven years, and he plays his programs ninety-five percent of the day. Uh, and the reason why he plays, uh, the subconscious program is 'cause the conscious mind, uh, is busy thinking, uh, and thinking is an inside job, not looking out. And I go, "Yeah, well let's say I'm driving my car, and I start thinking, and then my conscious is not looking out now. My conscious is thinking of something." I say, "Well then, who's driving the car?" And I go, "This is the most important point. The subconscious is autopilot." The moment the conscious is not paying any attention about something, subconscious steps in and starts driving the car according to the program, and that's where the issues come from. The subconscious programs were downloaded by observing other people. So when you're playing your subconscious, you're not playing you, you're playing your download, really. And you don't see it because you're thinking, but everybody else sees the response. And this is where the whole disconnect comes in because people think, "Oh, I'm a happy, wonderful, loving person," uh, and they have trouble out in the world. Uh, uh, and they, they don't understand it, but what they're missing is you're not playing that happy, loving person except five percent of the day. Ninety-five percent of our behavior is coming from sub, below, consciousness. Uh, and we're the ones that can't see it when we play it, but everybody else, of course, is, uh, seeing exactly what we're doing. So the whole idea is are you living the life you want, or are you living the life you've been programmed? And the answer, unfortunately, is most of us are living the life we've been programmed, and, and the programming comes from other people, so it's not our lives.

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:55

      Yeah, th- this is such a key point because as you're just demonstrating there, right, it's we can see patterns in other people-

   5. BLBruce Lipton3:02

      Yeah

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee3:02

      ... so clearly.

   7. BLBruce Lipton3:03

      But they don't see it as well as you do it.

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee3:05

      Yeah.

2. 3:05 – 10:01

   The First Seven Years: Theta, Hypnosis and Downloading

   1. BLBruce Lipton3:05

      Well, the, the reason- Let's, uh, give a reason why programming occurs, okay? Uh, the brain is a computer, [laughs] most powerful computer that humans have ever experienced. But it has parallels to computers, and number one is this. Um, in the old days when you would buy a computer before they put the programs in, you could bring it home, brand-new computer, plug it in, push start, boots up, screen's on, and I say, "Do something." And people, "Well, no, I can't do anything." I say, "You got a brand-new computer." No. First you have to put programs into a computer before you can use that computer. The brain of a, of a human is the same thing. Uh, the screen lights up in the last trimester of pregnancy. It's ready, but there are no programs. So the first seven years of a child's life is the brain is not operating at the higher level of consciousness, higher level, higher vibration. That, that's what we talk about. We put wires on a person's head, electroencephalograph, read brain function. A child up through seven is not operating at consciousness except for a little bit. It's primarily operating at a lower vibration called theta. And I say, "Well, what is theta?" I say, "It's expressed as imagination." So that's how, uh, children can have a tea party, and they pour nothing into the cup, and then they drink the nothing, and then they explain how that was the best tea they ever had. Or a child rides a broom saying it's a horse. In the child's mind, that is not a broom. It's a h- it's a horse. But it's mixing imagination and reality. But theta is hypnosis, and the significance of that is children have to learn how to become a member of a family, the rules, member of a community, the rules. I go, [laughs] "How can an infant, a young kid, learn these rules? They can't go to school, they can't read the book, and all that." And I say you don't have to. Nature provided theta hypnosis so that they can observe the parents, the family, and the community, just observe their behavior and download those as programs. Age seven, then that's when they start to become more conscious and engaging themselves. So the first seven years is programming, and then after that, uh, w- we play actually, unfortunately, five percent of our life from our creative conscious mind, ninety-five percent from the program. Interesting point. "Is this a new idea?" And I go, "Four hundred years the Jesuits have told their followers, 'Give me a child until it is seven, and I will show you the man.'"

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee5:31

      Mm.

   3. BLBruce Lipton5:32

      And what they knew is exactly what we just said. First seven years is programming, but after age seven, ninety-five percent of your life is coming from that program. So if you can program the child for the first seven years, then the rest of the life of that child is actually an expression of that program.

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee5:48

      Yeah, it's interesting. We've, we've covered, I guess, similar themes on this show in the past but, but through a different lens, that our childhoods are hugely influential In terms of our adult behaviors. We develop, um, we, we adapt. So, you know, we take on certain behaviors to survive, to be accepted by our caregivers, to get the love and the, uh, validation from our parents or, or whoever might be looking after us, our teachers maybe, and they potentially served us well as children, but we're still playing out those same behaviors when we're adults, but we're not children anymore, we're adults, and we now- we need to now reexamine them and go, "Do I still want that behavior in my life or do I want to," as you would say, "reprogram it so I can live a different type of life?"

   5. BLBruce Lipton6:42

      That, that's the most important insight of people need to know right now because as I said, if you're playing a subconscious program, by definition s- you're playing it not with consciousness, you're playing it with- without you even paying attention to it. Uh, and I say, "But why?" Well, that's why I said the conscious mind is creative, but the conscious mind can think. I go, "So what's the difference?" I say, "Well, creative is all that imagination, but thinking is an inside." If I ask you, I s- I say, "Uh, uh, tell us what you're doing next Monday," uh, a- and it's not written here anywhere, and for a moment you're gonna say, "Oh, let me think," and, uh, and, and then you're gonna come up with an answer. And I say, "Yeah, but where was the answer?" It wasn't out here. The answer was in here. So I say, "Oh, then you had to redirect your attention for thinking to look inside." But the moment you're looking inside, then you're not, by definition, uh, using the conscious creative mind to look outside, and that's when the subconscious, as the autopilot, steps in, and it will manage the things that you're not paying attention to, but it will only manage it according to the downloaded program that you got in that first seven years. Uh, a- and it's very hard. Uh, uh, if I say, "Well, what, what program did you get in that first seven years?" The, and the issue is this, well, you were being programmed before you were born. Last trimester of pregnancy, we already know that programming is occurring. I mean, a simple thing is, uh, if you play music, uh, through the abdominal wall when a woman is pregnant, uh, and the fetus is inside, she plays the music, when that f- baby is born, it will instantly remember or know that music. And even, uh, if the father is talking, uh, the voice of the father is transmitted through the abdominal wall, baby is born, the father says something, the baby knows exactly who, who that voice is. So that's even before you're born, okay? Then I say, "Yeah, but you got programmed from before birth, you got programmed a whole year from zero to one." I say, "So what, what do you remember?" You go, "There was no memory there." I say, "Okay, you got another whole year of programming from one to two." I say, "What programs you got?" You say, "I don't know," because-

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee8:46

      Yeah

   7. BLBruce Lipton8:46

      ... consciousness wasn't engaged. Uh, a- and so the problem is programmings were coming in, but the individual had no conscious awareness of the program. It just was record, playback, record, playback. That's what it's all about. And then I say, "Well, th- this becomes a problem," because then I say, "Well, what are your programs that essentially control your life?" And the answer is, "I have no idea what those programs are." Uh, uh, so I just wanna help people for a second, uh, because it is established that only 5% of the time are we using the conscious creative mind to run our life. 95% of the time is coming from the program. So here's a simple insight. Uh, the things that come into your life that you like, they come into your life 'cause you have a program to accept them. But those things that we want and we work hard and we sweat over and put a lot of effort, "I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make this happen. I'm working on it. I'm working real hard," why are you working so hard? And the answer is not because universe won't give it to you, it's because unconsciously your program does not support that destination, and you're trying to override it with extra work and effort. So then life becomes a job more or less trying to get those things you want when your program unconsciously is sabotaging you.

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee10:01

      You know,

3. 10:01 – 14:03

   Why Knowledge Alone Doesn't Change Lifestyle

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee10:01

      as we have this conversation, Bruce, I've been a practicing medical doctor for just over 21 years now, and there's been a real evolution in my thought process throughout my career. I've, from very early on, felt that a lot of the time in medicine we put sticking plasters on our patients' problems, which really aren't solving the underlying problem and are at best just keeping it at bay [chuckles] for a few more weeks till they return back. That's at best. Um, I, I think I realized early on that if I can help my patients change various things in their lifestyle, the way that they're living their life, food, movement, sleep, stress, uh, sure, it can have a huge impact.

   2. BLBruce Lipton10:51

      Yes, absolutely.

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee10:53

      But then over the past few years I thought, "What's going on here?" Because a lot of people have done that. They've changed their life. They feel better. So they've had the knowledge. They've experienced it. They felt better for maybe six months, maybe a year, maybe two years, and sometimes people would revert back to their previous behavior. So I thought, "What is going on here?" And I've really carefully examined the patients throughout my career who have not just changed in the short term, but changed and transformed their lives for good, and there's always been a big shift up here in their minds, the way they think, the way they approach the world, right? So when I think about your work and what you've just said to me, and I look at it through the lens of health, and many people listen to this show and watch it because they wanna get healthier, I feel that a lot of the time the reason they can't make lifestyle change stick is because the underlying program that was driving them to behave in a certain way has not been addressed.

   4. BLBruce Lipton11:57

      That's exactly what the problem is. Uh, when people say the mind, the idea that, oh, there's a mind, a single mind, I go, "Well, that's the first mistake." There are two minds. We mentioned conscious and subconscious. But we also have to mention this. They each have a different function- And they most importantly, they learn in different ways. So the conscious mind's creative, and that means it's the one with the imagination and, uh, uh, uh, uh, and things that you f- you want and you desire, and you can put that in. A- and you could read a book, a self-help book, and you say, "Oh, I got all this knowledge now from this book, and I went to the lecture and I did all these things. I got all this knowledge. My life hasn't changed." I go, "Well, that's because the conscious mind being creative can learn in any number of different ways." You can just go, "Aha, I have a new idea," and your conscious mind can change. The subconscious mind, by definition, is the habit mind. And I go, "Significance, habits resist change because if [laughs] habits change, then they're not habits anymore." So all of a sudden you say, "Well, if I download a habit, can I, you know, think out of that habit?" I go, "No, uh, because that's not how it learns." Uh, and so the conscious mind in most people is very smart. I'm sure, look, this audience has been listening to you for a long time. They got great understanding, and many of them will go, "Yeah, I really understand what you've been talking about, but somehow or other, with all that knowledge, my life is still the same." And I go, "That's because when you educate the conscious mind, that, that's easy, but that process does not create a habit." So you can make- have a super smart conscious mind, all the data, all the material. "I read the book, I know everything about it." I go, "Yeah, but that doesn't change the program on the inside." Uh, a lot of people think, "Well, I'm gonna give myself a good talking to," and that's where the-

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee13:43

      Hmm

   6. BLBruce Lipton13:43

      ... the joke comes because I say, "There's nobody in the subconscious mind. It's the exact equivalent of a hard drive in a computer. It's got programs in it. There's nobody in it, and you can talk till you're blue in the face with the conscious mind trying to tell the subconscious mind, 'Change the program.'" I go-

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:00

      Yeah

   8. BLBruce Lipton14:01

      ... "That's not how it learns a program."

4. 14:03 – 22:25

   Stress, Epigenetics and Genes Aren't Destiny

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:03

      I wanna talk about how we can start to go about changing these programs, but, but before we get there, where does stress fit in here? Because if you look around society these days, many people are living in a state of stress.

   2. BLBruce Lipton14:17

      Yes. [laughs]

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:18

      So how does stress and living in a stress state relate to our conscious and non-conscious minds?

   4. BLBruce Lipton14:27

      Th- that is perhaps one of the most important questions in this world right now for a very simple reason. Uh, we, we believe so many issues and diseases are associated with genes. And then, and I say, w- when I was teaching in a medical school, wh- uh, what was I teaching doctors? Well, uh, at that time, "Oh, genes turn on and off, and genes control the character." And then I say, "Well, as far as you know, you didn't pick the genes, and if you don't like your characters, you can't change the genes. And since they activate themselves, then you become a victim of your heredity." "Oh my God, there's cancer running in my family. I have a cancer gene." And, and I go, "Okay, let's get to a real simple fact. Less than 1% of disease is connected to genes. Less than 1%. 90% plus is all stress-related, okay?" So all of a sudden I say, "Well, you wanna try to adjust the genes?" I say, "The genes didn't have a problem. It was the stress that was causing the problem." Uh, uh, and now with the new science, it's called epigenetics, uh, it sounds like genetics, but epi means above, so what we call skin, uh, epidermis, because just below the surface skin is a layer called the dermis. Epidermis means above the dermis, that's the skin. So I say epigenetics means control epi, above the genes. And now there's a whole new understanding because we're not victims of the genes. We understand now that we actually control our genetic activity through our consciousness and, uh, or subconscious more importantly, 'cause that's 95% of the time. A big important point, th- this is, like maybe a lot of people in the audience are gonna freak when I say this, but for example, there's no gene that causes cancer. Everyone say, "Oh, oncogenes, cancer genes." I go, "No, there's no gene that causes cancer. They're correlated with cancer, but they're not the cause." So especially like women are very concerned 'cause they go, " [gasps] I've got diagnosed, I have the BRCA breast cancer gene." Immediately, what's the consciousness of the programming that people have? "The gene is gonna give me cancer" And now the fear of cancer rises in them because they say they have this gene. And then I go, "Well, guess what? 50% of the women carry this gene never get the cancer." So the first thing you have to understand is this, possession of the gene doesn't cause the cancer. It, it's a life that's not in harmony, a life that's out of balance. That's when that gene is activated. So we've been blaming genes, but we're never giving, uh, any credit or power to the person who can influence [laughs] those genes, and this is what epigenetics is all about. Consciousness is controlling your genetic activity.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee17:06

      It reminds me a, a little bit of, um, an autoimmune theory that I think was first put forward by Dr. Fasano in America, I think at Harvard, where he put forward that you need three things in order to have an autoimmune disease. You need, yes, the genetic predisposition, not the genetic destiny, the genetic predisposition.

   6. BLBruce Lipton17:30

      Yes.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee17:31

      You need some source of environmental trigger-

   8. BLBruce Lipton17:34

      There you go

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee17:35

      ... and you need a degree of intestinal permeability, which is also known as leaky gut colloquially. He says if you have those three things, then you can develop autoimmune disease, and I, I always found that really fascinating because it kinda made sense to me that, you know, yes, you can have a certain genetic blueprint, but actually how that blueprint plays out is gonna depend on your environment and your lifestyle.

   10. BLBruce Lipton18:02

       100%. That, that is so important. You know, there's very interesting, uh, uh, insight here, and that is the- When, when people follow the fate of a child adopted into a family where there's cancer, they find that the adopted child will get the same family cancer at the same probability as any of the natural siblings. So an adopted child picks up that, gets that cancer, but here's the point. The adopted child came from totally different genetics. So it was not the genetics that pushed that cancer, it was being adopted into a family where the programming was not giving them, uh, wholeness, health, happiness. Uh, i- i- it's just, uh, stressful-

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee18:42

       Yeah

   12. BLBruce Lipton18:42

       ... very stressful programming. And as you said, stress. American Psychological Association recognizes 90% of doctor visits are stress-related visits. A- a- and the, we f- don't focus on the stress. That's like, oh, a side thing. I say, "No, it's not a side thing, it's the number one thing-

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee19:00

       The main thing

   14. BLBruce Lipton19:01

       ... that is coming from the top down." Uh, and the genes, genes are blueprints to make the proteins of the body, 100,000 different proteins, like building blocks, okay? Proteins are complex molecules, and they wear out. Proteins wear out all the time, so you have to replace them. I say, "Well, how do you replace this complex molecule?" And the answer is DNA is a blueprint to make a protein. I go, "So what?" And I go, "Well, you go into an architect's office and she's working on a blueprint." And y- and I say, "Well, ask her, is your blueprint on or off?" [laughs] And she would look at you and go, "What are you talking about? The blueprint is not on and off." I go, "Precisely. Genes cannot turn themselves on and off. They don't self-actualize. They're controlled by environmental signals." And all of a sudden it's like, oh my God, well, if the environment is controlling this, then your programming in the environment, your lifestyle in the environment, and all these other things now become the primary controlling factor of your genes, not the genes. And we have to let go because when I was programming the doctors that, oh, genes turn on and off and all that stuff, I was programming that people are victims, because as I said, as far as you know, you didn't pick the genes, you can't change them. They operate by themselves. And so we were programming victim. And then it turns out the new science of epigenetics, it's not victim. You're the one that's actually controlling it with y- your behavior.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee20:26

       Yeah. Th- this is such a key point, um, I think just to pause on this idea that if we are simply just going to be playing out our genetic destiny, then we've lost a huge amount of empowerment. And a couple of things come to mind here, Bruce. Um, I, I felt very strongly early on in my career that one of the most important things I need to do with any patient, with every patient, is to make sure they walk out my door with a feeling of empowerment, that they feel even if they've had, you know, a horrible diagnosis, that there's something they can do to influence how they're gonna feel, to influence the outcome. Maybe not even a reversal sometimes, but just, you know, influence how they're gonna feel with that condition.

   16. BLBruce Lipton21:22

       Well, what I have to say is this, knowledge is power, and lack of knowledge is a lack of power. When people don't know that they're involved with their own life and their own genetics and their own behavior because they're programmed to be the victim, then they become a victim because they have no knowledge of this. And, uh, and what you're doing and what I'm doing is let, let's wake up. You are powerful if you understand how this works. And if you don't understand how it works, you'll just say, "No, uh, it's not me. I'm not in control." And, a- and people walk away feeling like there's nothing I can do. The genes are controlling this, and I don't control the genes. I go, "Well, that's the story that's wrong." [laughs] A- and when people are allowed to walk away from, uh, a medical practitioner with that belief, then that practitioner in no way has helped that patient because the idea is this, as you said, I've got to help them get a better attitude when they walk out of this building. I have to give them more power-

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee22:17

       Yeah

   18. BLBruce Lipton22:17

       ... so that they have more power because if they walk out saying, "There's nothing I can do," uh, then the game is over at that point.

5. 22:25 – 30:45

   Stem Cell Experiments: The Environment Controls Cell Fate

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee22:25

      I'm interested in your individual journey, Bruce, because you come from a very, very strong and respected scientific background. Because a lot of people may think, yes, some of these concepts may sound spiritual and-

   2. BLBruce Lipton22:39

      [laughs]

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee22:39

      ... I'm, as I get older, I'm very interested with the intersection between science and spirituality anyway. But, you know, epigenetics is something I've been aware of for maybe 10, 15 years, something like that. You were, I think, talking about this way before anyone. You-

   4. BLBruce Lipton22:57

      1967.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee22:58

      1967, right? I don't... Had the term epigenetics even been coined then?

   6. BLBruce Lipton23:03

      No. I... No, because my research at that time showed the role of epigenetics, but there was no term epigenetics, so we actually, uh, created a word called transformation, that something transforms the existing thing. Now it's called epigenetics. That's the mechanism of how your consciousness can rewrite this program. Uh, a- and I saw this... I, I was cloning what are called stem cells. Uh, just-

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee23:27

      So could you explain what a stem cell is?

   8. BLBruce Lipton23:29

      I should say that because people don't know, so let's make a simple point.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee23:32

      Yeah.

   10. BLBruce Lipton23:32

       Uh, a body's made out of 50 trillion cells. That's a number that is so massive that you can say it but you can't imagine it. Uh, and every day, every one of us is losing hundreds of billions of cells every day, normal attrition. Skin cells are sloughing off. Uh, the whole digestive tract, the lining of the digestive tract from the mouth to the anus, [laughs] this is massive amount of, uh, uh, of tract, the lining is replaced every three days. And, and I started to say, "Well, if I keep losing the cells, uh, would I die?" And I said, "Well, if you can't replace them, of course you would die." And I said, "Yeah," but then I said, "How, how can I keep losing cells and still replace them?" The answer is Before you were born, these were embryonic cells that were giving you the structure and function. Okay? After you're born, you still have embryonic cells in your body, but you're not an embryo, so we change the name, call it stem cell. Because before birth, I could do a biopsy and look, oh, say, here, here's a s- an embryonic cell. Uh, if I wait one minute after birth, look at the same biopsy, look at the same cell, now it's, oh, no, that's called a stem cell. So stem cells are embryonic cells. They're there to replace all the cells that are going wrong. So, uh, my research revealed that I was cloning stem cells, and that all of a sudden, what does that mean? I say I put one p- one cell in a dish, one stem cell, and it divides every 10 hours. About after a week, I've got 30,000 cells in the Petri d-dish because they keep doubling and doubling and doubling, okay? Here's my experiment, and it was, like, so clear. I took those 30,000 cells, and now you have to recognize they're genetically identical cells 'cause they only came from one parent. So 30,000 genetically identical cells. I split the cells up into three dishes, 10,000 cells in each dish. So all the dishes have genetically identical cells, but we grow them in the lab, something called culture medium. And this, we're gonna come back to this. That's critical because what is culture medium? I'll give you a hint. Laboratory version of blood. So if I grow human cells, I say, "What's human blood made out of?" Because that's what nourishes cells, and I make a, a version in the lab called culture medium. Since I'm synthesizing culture medium, I can change some of the combinations of the chemistry. So I create three different versions of culture mediums, slight chemistry difference, and I feed the cells. In one dish, I feed them version one of c- uh, of the culture medium, the other version two, and the third dish version three. In the first dish, the cells form muscle. In the second dish, the cells form bone. In the third dish with a different environment, the cells form fat cells. And here I am teaching in medical school that genes control life, and here's my laboratory experiments to say all these cells are genetically identical. How come one became muscle? How the other one became bone? How the other one became fat? And it was like, it was based on th-the culture medium. And all of a sudden I said, "Oh my God, the cell fate wasn't controlled by the genes. It was controlled by the environment in which the cells live." And, and if you change the environment, you change the fate of the cells. So that completely canceled the idea that genes were in control. Uh, uh-

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee26:39

       And that's on the micro, and on the macro, we humans are, you know, as you say, 50 trillion cells or something like that, and our culture medium is the environment around us now-

   12. BLBruce Lipton26:52

       No. Well, no, well, no, no, okay. Here's... And this is the real important part. Uh, let's look at the body as a skin-covered Petri dish. Why? I got 50 trillion cells under my skin.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee27:00

       Okay.

   14. BLBruce Lipton27:01

       Instead of a plastic dish, it's a skin dish inside, but I have the original culture medium, which is blood. And I say the chemistry of the, of the culture medium, whether the cell's in a plastic dish or whether it's in the skin dish, it's still the culture medium that controls the fate of the cells. So in the human body, it's the blood chemistry that actually activates the genetics in the cell. And I go, "So why is this significant?" I say, "Well, what controls the blood chemistry?" It's gonna make an important point right here. And I say the brain is the chemist and puts in the, the, the, the stuff into the like, uh, growth factors, emotional chemicals, you know, neuropeptides, things like that, adding, you know, putting it into the blood. And then comes the most important question. So the blood is the chemist putting the chemistry into the blood, the chemistry in th- the blood is the culture medium, so the chemistry of the culture medium is controlling the fate. That, okay, got that. But then the most important question comes, what chemistry should the brain put into the blood? What chemistry? And then comes the answer, which is so blow away, and the answer is this: Whatever picture you hold in your mind, the brain translates that into complementary chemistry. If I have a picture of love, my brain releases wonderful things into the blood like dopamine for pleasure, oxytocin to bond with others, a growth hormone. A, a growth hormone does exactly what it says. So when you're in love, you're releasing this growth hormone, which enhances your vitality, and that's why when people fall in love, they get so healthy. They get... You know, they say, "Oh, look how they glow. They're so in love." And I go, "This is the chemistry of the blood engaging the behavior of the cells." But I say, "But what if I'm holding a picture of something that scares me?" I say, "Well, you're not gonna release love chemistry. You start to release stress hormones and factors that affect the immune system and all that." I say, "Well, that's a different chemistry." I go, "Yeah, just like in the culture dish, a different chemistry leads to a different genetic activity." And all of a sudden it says, oh my God, your thoughts are being turned into complementary chemistry, which then controls your genetics. Uh, and this all of a sudden says, well then, if I wanna change my genetics, do I have to go in and change the cells in the ge- I say, no, it's changing your thought. That's all you have to do.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee29:17

       Yeah, and I think people, if they really self-examine, they already know that. They already know that when I feel scared or stressed or anxious, things happen in my body. You know, my gut starts to change, or you, you have an urge to go to the toilet, or you get a headache or whatever, right? So, and we know it's well-established scientific fact that stress, psychological stresses will elevate cortisol and all kinds of knock-on consequences in our body. So the fact that our thoughts change our biology, I, I, I think it, it's not... Uh, although it's quite obvious, I just don't think people realize that, that have positive thoughts that will influence your biology, have negative thoughts. What's interesting-- And that will also influence your biology.

   16. BLBruce Lipton30:06

       Absolutely.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee30:06

       And I've heard you say, Bruce, in a, in an interview I've heard you, uh, in the past, I think you said 60% of these unconscious programs are disempowering and are limiting beliefs-

   18. BLBruce Lipton30:19

       Yes

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee30:19

       ... that we've acquired from other people. 60%?

   20. BLBruce Lipton30:22

       Yes. That's a massive number. And then recognize, but that 60% is coming from the subconscious, so the individual playing that subconscious is the one not, they're not even aware they're playing the subconscious. So their life seems to be out of control. "Oh, I wanna be happy, I wanna have a great job, I wanna have a great romance." I say that's conscious wishes and desires. Conscious wishes and desires, subconscious habit, okay?

6. 30:45 – 36:19

   Method One: Reprogramming Through Theta and Self-Hypnosis

   1. BLBruce Lipton30:45

      So how-

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee30:46

      So how do we change it?

   3. BLBruce Lipton30:47

      Oh, that, you know, that's the first question that [laughs] I, I always remember very, very much how I was so excited by the mechanism, the, you know, the biology and how the, the, uh, the chemistry was adjusting the genetics and all this, and I would love to tell people. Uh, and I remember, uh, every time I finished a lecture, the first question was, "How do you change it?" And I was like, at that time, is I didn't have any idea how to change it. I just recognized how it worked, and it was so frustrating. But now, uh, I've really over the years in my study, and now I really understand how, how you change it, and the idea is, well, how do you change a program? That was the issue. Not how do you change the conscious mind, how do you change the subconscious mind? 'Cause it doesn't learn. Conscious mind learns by just whatever you... Read the book, I learned it, okay? Uh, subconscious mind doesn't learn that way. I say how does it learn? I say, well, in the first seven years, that's when I said the programming went in, the brain wasn't functioning at the higher level of consciousness. It was actually a little lower. That was called theta, the vibration, the imagination and all that. That's hypnosis, okay? So the first way we learned programs was hypnosis, 'cause the, the, the function of the brain wasn't, it was at a high, uh, at a low, uh, you know, lower vibration. Uh, some people might remember the old days when hypnotherapy, they, they'd have a watch and the hypnotherapist said, uh, you know, swing the watch back and forth, and they would say, "You're getting tired. You're getting tired." Uh, a- and what was the point? When you get tired, you lower the vibration of the brain, and the moment you fall asleep, actually, consciously, the next level of activity of the brain is theta, before it goes down to the lowest vibration, delta sleep. So every night when you go to bed, there's a period just after you close your eyes and you're essentially disconnected for a moment, your brain is operating in theta. Well, theta is hypnosis, okay? So I said, well, that's how you, you, your brain was in theta [laughs] during that childhood period, as predominantly. Now you're an adult. I say, yeah, but you have theta every night when you go to bed. So I say, what can you do? And this is the old story. You've heard people do it. You put a pair of earphones on at night, you play a program that you want to be true in your life. You, uh, and while you're awake, you might hear the program, but it's the moment you fall asleep, the conscious mind shut off, but the subconscious mind is now in record theta. So whatever's coming through the earphones at that moment after you fall asleep, you don't hear it, but the subconscious mind is hearing it and downloading it in a state of theta. So the first way of changing a belief system is to get into theta. Uh, and this is called self-hypnosis. Put the earphones on, play the program, programs for health, happiness, love, joy, whatever, uh, and just go to sleep, which is really cool 'cause you don't have any... There's no studying here. [laughs] You just play the program.

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:36

      Yeah. I mean, so you're saying when we're tired, so that's, I guess, last thing at night-

   5. BLBruce Lipton33:41

      Yeah

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:41

      ... maybe first thing in the morning as well?

   7. BLBruce Lipton33:43

      Same thing, but it's a little harder to judge when you're coming awake-

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:46

      Got it

   9. BLBruce Lipton33:46

      ... rather than when you're going to sleep.

   10. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:48

       Got it. So let's, so the nighttime just before you go to bed, a really important part of the day where you can, I guess, consciously make a decision to reprogram your subconscious minds.

   11. BLBruce Lipton34:02

       Yeah.

   12. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee34:02

       What does this look like? Are, is this self-recordings that people make? Is this, I don't know, like for example, are there hypnosis programs that they-

   13. BLBruce Lipton34:11

       Yeah

   14. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee34:11

       ... download? Or sometimes people will fall asleep-

   15. BLBruce Lipton34:14

       Yeah

   16. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee34:14

       ... to conversations like these. So help me understand, help us all understand, is it something specific or are all of these things helpful?

   17. BLBruce Lipton34:24

       Well, all these things are helpful, but the most specific ones are when you put in a program that you specifically want to be true in your life. You want- you're not having good relationships, well, there, uh, uh, these programs are available all, like, bookstores and, and online. They're, they're called self-help programs, basically. And I say, "Well, you can get them for anything, whether it's job-related-

   18. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee34:44

       Right

   19. BLBruce Lipton34:44

       ... relationship-related. You pick out the one you want." Uh, and then I say, "Just play this," and, and, and the point is the moment you're falling asleep, the only part of you that is hearing that program is the subconscious, because that's how it works in theta. So you can download, it's called self-hypnosis, and that's how you can do it. That's number one. I'm talking about natural, uh, in a natural child, uh, theta is the present program for his first seven years, is predominantly that.

   20. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:12

       So they're in theta, so they're absorbing everything.

   21. BLBruce Lipton35:15

       Everything.

   22. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:16

       But, but as, when we become adults, we're not in theta-

   23. BLBruce Lipton35:19

       No

   24. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:19

       ... apart from at specific times.

   25. BLBruce Lipton35:21

       But you can still learn. You learned how to drive a car after age seven, you know? You learned a lot of, uh, like play an instrument after you're age seven.

   26. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:27

       But that's not hypnosis though, is it? So, so method one is hypnosis.

   27. BLBruce Lipton35:30

       Yes.

   28. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:31

       But it sounds like there's other methods as well-

   29. BLBruce Lipton35:33

       After-

   30. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:33

       ... to change the programs
7. 36:19 – 40:43

   Method Two: Habituation, Practice and the Golf Analogy

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:19

      I love that. You know, I just wanna share an analogy from golf here, if you don't mind, because, um ... And I, and I'd be very interested in your perspective on this. I used to read a lot about choking, you know, when, when top sports people would choke. Um, and, you know, there's an example of, uh, a golfer called Rory McIlroy who, uh, he was leading the Masters golf tournament a few years back. He had a big lead and, you know, this is just one example. I'm not having a go [laughs] at Rory.

   2. BLBruce Lipton36:53

      Yeah.

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:53

      This is just, uh, it's common in all sports where, um, people almost self-implode. And for a few holes, like he could barely swing the golf club. And what was really interesting is as I was sort of reading a lot about it, trying to figure out what, what's going on here? It's this conscious/subconscious again, where he knows how to drive the golf ball, you know, better than most people on the planet.

   4. BLBruce Lipton37:19

      Yeah.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee37:20

      So he's playing usually from his subconscious, the patterns run, he knows how to shape the ball right to left, left to right, whatever. But in that moment where it's like, oh man, I'm leading the Masters, I need to be really careful now. He's trying to think, you know, or certainly this is what people say. I dunno what was in his minds, but you're almost overthinking. You're now trying to control something that you could naturally do, as you say, driving.

   6. BLBruce Lipton37:46

      Yeah.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee37:47

      If you were thinking about when do I put the clutch down? Or what timing is it with the accelerator? You know, if you, if you drive a manual, it's, it's the same kind of thing, isn't it?

   8. BLBruce Lipton37:55

      Uh, absolutely. But i- as fact, really, when, when he's playing the game, he's playing it in the conscious mind, in the sense that he has a vision. I'm going to hit this ball and it's gonna go into that hole over there. He, uh, very important because you, there's a destination and there's a means to that destination. It turns out, and this is really most important, is if you focus on the destination and not on the means, let the system which is so powerful-

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:25

      Mm

   10. BLBruce Lipton38:26

       ... to, it, it will get there without you telling it how to get there. But when you start to interfere and say, okay, now I gotta make sure I swing it right, my head's level, my grip is right.

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:35

       Yeah.

   12. BLBruce Lipton38:35

       Uh, and all of a sudden you're, you're putting all those details in. It's like, no, don't focus on the details. You forgot what the end was. The end was the ball is supposed to go over the, there. A- a- and so, uh, that starts to come in because now you're trying to control everything with your, you know, with this manual control. And it's like, no, uh, you don't have to have the manual control. Matter of fact, that gets in the way.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:58

       Yeah.

   14. BLBruce Lipton38:58

       The, the body knows what you want. You don't have to tell it how to get there. And that's a big issue in our lives because, uh, I want to be successful. How? Oh, I gotta do this, I gotta do this. And I say, oh, well, you're, you're planning all these things, uh, a- and y- your, your conscious mind is not even any... The subconscious a million times more powerful a computer than the conscious mind. So I say, you're gonna take this little small conscious mind and try to run the bigger computer. And it's like, that doesn't work. Let go of the control. And this is the whole thing. I mean, it's a, I, I, it just came to my mind. A lot of people say, "Let go, let God," or something like that. There's some phrase that people always say. And I go, "Well, that's actually the way to do it." Focus on what you want, but don't try and tell the universe how it's gonna happen. Don't tell 'em the, the, I'm gonna do this and this is gonna happen. I go, no, you just focus on what you want. The intelligence of the super computer, the subconscious super computer, uh, it, it won't handle it-

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee39:58

       Yeah

   16. BLBruce Lipton39:58

       ... unless you put your hands into the machine. I said, keep your hands outta the machine. Focus on where that ball's gonna go. I mean, he already practiced. Remember I said we did the habit, we did the practice. You, whether you're driving the car or hitting the golf ball, practice, practice.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:11

       Yeah. So it starts off in conscious and then becomes subconscious. I think people can all resonate with that, whether it's a sport or-

   18. BLBruce Lipton40:18

       100%

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:19

       ... musical instrument, right?

   20. BLBruce Lipton40:20

       Same thing.

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:20

       It's the same kind of thing. So again, I'm, it's, it's not that hard to believe that if you practice the patterns that you want, after a while they're gonna happen automatically.

   22. BLBruce Lipton40:32

       This is exactly what it's all about. You don't think about the details of driving when you're driving, you know? They just automatically... You could have conversation, you could be off in thought, and you're still driving the car.

8. 40:43 – 48:49

   Acting the Part, Parental Programming and Self-Love

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:43

      So what's an example of, um, you know, we mentioned the first method is hypnosis.

   2. BLBruce Lipton40:49

      Then the second one is habituation.

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:51

      Second one is habituation and repetition and practice.

   4. BLBruce Lipton40:53

      Yes.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:53

      So do you have any examples of things that people can, can practice, can, can do and go, right, I'm gonna practice this so that I start to change my subconscious behaviors?

   6. BLBruce Lipton41:05

      Well, this is exactly true. You know what's interesting is, um, actors that are really good have a character. They read the character, they learn the lines, but they have to act like a character, okay? It's not just reading the words. Uh, you get someone like Renee Zellweger and she did the, uh, her what? The Diary or something after that.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee41:24

      Yeah.

   8. BLBruce Lipton41:24

      Yeah. Uh, and it's interesting because, um, the character is 40 pounds heavier than Renee. And when she got into character, guess what? She gained 40 pounds. Her conscious, you know, the, the program just, okay, I'm 40 pounds. When she got finished playing the character, then the 40 pounds disappeared. As long as she was in the character, she became the character. Uh, Dustin Hoffman, one of the great actors, uh, was playing, um, Willy Loman in Death of a Salesman, a very depressive character, and he was brilliant at it, except that he had to check out and go out of the, out of the theater and go into a hospital, a neurological hospital because he became so depressed because he took on the character of this person.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee42:13

      Wow.

   10. BLBruce Lipton42:13

       And, and what I'm trying to say is who you think you are is what you, you know, you could get there. But now the problem is who do you think you are? And I go, well, that's part of the programming when, when we grow up. Uh, here's the biggest problem in programming, I'll tell you right now. Parents act as coaches ... for their kids. I go, "What does that mean?" I say, "Well, let's say a, a, a kid on a sports team isn't doing well." The coach doesn't say, "Oh, please try harder." No, he says, "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team." But this kid is older and conscious and aware when the coach is saying that, the coach is trying to say, "Do better. That's what you should do." A child under seven is not in consciousness, but a child under seven is in record. So the parent's acting as the coach, "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You could do better than this." I say the child under seven is, "I'm not smart enough. I'm not deserving. I'm not good enough." That's a program, okay? They didn't understand the meaning of the parent under seven, 'cause consciousness was not that function of the brain at that time, just record. And I say, "Well, this r- this is where the problems come from in our lives." 'Cause parents wanna help us, so they, they figure if they needle you, stick you, that you're gonna do better-

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee43:26

       Mm-hmm

   12. BLBruce Lipton43:26

       ... without recognizing if the child's under seven, they don't any, they don't have any comprehension of what you're saying, but they are recording. And then you say, "Well, then 95% of my life is coming from what?" Not smart enough, not good enough, not deserving. Uh, and if the, that's the program that's running, then the behavior will manifest that program. Not good enough, not smart enough, not healthy, whatever it is. Uh, a- and so we have to recognize we become these programs. Uh, and if you wanna change, that's when I say, oh, uh, the new age, [laughs] I always laugh about, it's called fake it till you make it. I say, "What does that mean?" I say, "Well, you're not a happy person." I go, "So what?" I say, "Then all day long, whenever you can s- remember, you just say, 'I am happy. I am happy.' No matter how miserable you are, you just keep repeating it because repeating is habituation. Practice, repeat, repeat. And then one day you wake up, and guess what? You're happy." Why? Because once that program is installed, then the, the s- expression of that subconscious will manifest that program.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee44:28

       I noticed that when you walked into the studio two floors down, I don't know, maybe 45 minutes ago, something like that, you walked in with a smile. We were chatting, and then you paused to... It felt like you were intentionally spreading joy, love, happiness. You, you made some really, uh, nice, meaningful comments to the two receptionists, which put a smile on their face, and then you walked on with me.

   14. BLBruce Lipton45:01

       Yes.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee45:03

       Is that what you're talking about, an intentional practice where you act in the manner, you act as the person you wanna become? Almost like, like you said about actors, right? You're, you're trying to... And I know from your history that you weren't always this way.

   16. BLBruce Lipton45:19

       No. [laughs] No.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee45:20

       Right? So this has been a change, and, and maybe later on we can talk about that, but you've almost taken on the role of an actor, but that actor isn't actually someone foreign to you. That actor probably is who you innately are and who you were innately meant to be.

   18. BLBruce Lipton45:36

       A- that I have become.

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee45:37

       That you've become. Okay.

   20. BLBruce Lipton45:39

       That was it, because I started to recognize what I'm putting out is coming back. If I'm gonna put out, you know, anger or something, I'm gonna receive something that resonates with anger. I'm not gonna... If I'm angry, I'm not gonna activate a happy person-

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee45:52

       [laughs]

   22. BLBruce Lipton45:53

       ... but I will activate somebody who, who will respond to anger. Uh, uh, it's called resonance. Uh, and what you put out will return to you what you put out.

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee46:03

       What happens though, Bruce, if you are giving off that energy of happiness and joy to someone-

   24. BLBruce Lipton46:09

       Yeah

   25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee46:09

       ... and for whatever reason, they don't wanna hear it? It's like they're being run by a different subconscious pattern.

   26. BLBruce Lipton46:17

       Yeah.

   27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee46:17

       "People aren't nice to me," uh, "I'm not worthy of a nice comment"-

   28. BLBruce Lipton46:20

       Yeah

   29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee46:20

       ... or whatever it might be, and they aren't able to accept the joy and the, the, the smiles that you're putting out. C- presumably that h- does that happen from time to time, and how do you react?

   30. BLBruce Lipton46:34

       Sometimes, but, sometimes, but, uh, you know what the most im- interesting thing is? People wanna be recognized at some point. You know, in, like in the city, everybody walks, eyes on the street or eyes not looking at other people and stuff like that. It's like so the other people don't exist. But I had noticed when I was living in New York, that if I just walked down the street and I could catch somebody's eyes and I'd give them a smile, that's all I'd do is just look at them with a smile, all of a sudden, they, they would just make this response that somebody recognized them as being this person. And that, that is what, you know, i- in a world where nobody recognizes you, all of a sudden somebody looks at you and smiles, it's like i- i- it's contagious. They, they start to smile all of a sudden.
9. 48:49 – 59:26

   Rangan's Mirror Practice and Lipton's Moment of Choice

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee48:49

      repetition is so powerful, isn't it? You know, we become what we repeat ultimately. And one of the practices that I have done very, very consistently for, I don't know, maybe five years now, that I feel most of the time has become automatic now, is if I was ever getting frustrated or feeling emotional or, um, frustrated by the action of someone else, let's say, I would always use it as a mirror. I'd sort of ideally in the moment, but sometimes if you're not able to in the moment, later that day go, "Ah, you got triggered there. You felt stressed by that. You were frustrated. What was that bringing up in you?" And then just instead of looking for the world outside to give you the answers, try and find the answers yourself and go, okay, and now how can you reframe that, you know? If you were that other person, you'd be acting in exactly the same way, right? So how can you have compassion for that person as well as work on yourself? And I feel it's a very simple practice that only takes a few minutes each day, and then you get to a point where you're like, "I'm hardly ever..." I'm certainly not perfect, so it does happen, but it happens a lot less. I'm hardly ever now reacting to other people when people are behaving in a way that in the past I may not have liked. I feel now that my default mode of being is compassion and going, "Oh, yeah. Well, that's interesting. Oh, isn't it interesting? They've got a completely different perspective on the world to I do," rather than trying to defend a belief system and an identity. So yes, I've done other things like heal trauma and all kinds of other things which we can maybe talk about, but I, I really do feel that it's that regular diligent practice, catching yourself when you haven't got it right, catching yourself when you do get it right, being compassionate to yourself either way, and then you actually become a new person.

   2. BLBruce Lipton50:40

      I, I agree 100% on that. And, and I'll, I'll give you a very important fact. Uh, I work in belief change programs with people, and um, when we have people test for the belief, "I love myself," 80 to 90% of every audience will not test positive to, "I love myself." And I go, "Where the hell did this come from?" Well, the first thing is this, being criticized as a child because you downloaded the criticism. Not good enough, not smart enough, not lovable. Whatever the parents were trying to [laughs] help you get better, they made it worse because they put those programs in. I started to recognize, oh my God, um, people... If you can't love yourself, then you can't accept love. That's the other very important thing because, uh, uh, someone says they love you and you have a mind, "I'm not lovable," then you look at them and go, "Well, you know, well, obviously you have no quality control. I know I'm not lovable. What are you saying?" And you'll push people away, and then nobody will be there, and then guess what? You say, "See? I'm not lovable. Nobody's here." But you didn't realize you were responding to that. It was a wake-up call to myself when I realized I was not loving myself. And when you're not loving yourself, you will sabotage yourself all the time because then you'll manifest the truth. "See? I'm not lovable. Nobody's here." [laughs] You didn't realize you chased them away, now they're not here. I changed that, and that was the most critical moment because if I love myself, then I'm happy with myself, and a lot of people are not happy with themselves. Uh, uh, and when somebody else is unhappy, then they're unhappy. Man, that's the resonance that, that pushes them to stay in, in that place. Remember, you, you'll attract whatever you're sending out.

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee52:26

      Yeah.

   4. BLBruce Lipton52:26

      Uh, and when I changed that, my life changed. My life was so profoundly changed by that because I can maintain... As you said, how can you maintain happiness when other people around you are not in happiness? And the answer is because then you don't connect with them. You, they can say their words or anything, but it has no connection with you because it doesn't stimulate unhappiness in me. I'm happy.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee52:48

      Yeah.

   6. BLBruce Lipton52:49

      So all of a sudden, instead of they're unhappy, I can't resonate with that because they'll send that unhappy vibe, and it, I have no receptor for unhappy. So all of a sudden, it's like I could walk through the world of people that are unhappy, but it doesn't come off on me at all. I, I don't, you know, I'll just continue walking. But then what will happen is if I'm happy, then those other people that will see that want to participate. As I said, people want to be happy. People want to be loved. Uh, uh, and that's a drive, and yet our programming behavior takes that out of us, and then we start resonating with the negative programs-

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:25

      Yeah

   8. BLBruce Lipton53:26

      ... uh, uh, and we attract people that have the same kind of negative issues, and then we're surrounded by, "This is not helping me, all these people around here." And, and I change, and get, then all of a sudden it's like, "Look who's around me, all these wonderful people. How'd that happen?" I go, because now we resonate together, and the ones that are unhappy, they don't wanna be around me because I don't feed their unhappiness with my unhappy.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:50

      Yeah.

   10. BLBruce Lipton53:50

       I don't feed them, and so they don't get what they're looking for if they're coming towards me with that.

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:56

       I guess one way that people can catch and become aware of their unconscious patterns is to ask themselves, how do you talk to yourself? What do you say when something doesn't quite go right? Do you, you know, do you say, "You stupid thing, you silly idiot, you loser"?

   12. BLBruce Lipton54:13

       [laughs]

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:13

       You know, whatever it might be. And I say this, you know, admitting that for much of my life, I used to say those things to myself.

   14. BLBruce Lipton54:20

       Ah.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:20

       But the key, the key thing being I used to.

   16. BLBruce Lipton54:23

       Yeah.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:23

       I, I don't anymore. I- I cannot remember the last time I was harsh to myself-

   18. BLBruce Lipton54:29

       Th- that's-

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:29

       ... genuinely anymore

   20. BLBruce Lipton54:29

       ... really important.

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:30

       And it, and it's... Yeah. You, you can't... You know, I think the way I put it in my last book was you, it is simply impossible to achieve long-term health and happiness if you hate yourself.

   22. BLBruce Lipton54:39

       100%. This is so important because this is, that was, I have a memory of a point in my life where that changed just, like, boom, just like somebody turned a switch. Because I, I was on the edge of, I could've been diagnosed as manic depressive. Well, happy most of the time, but once it started going wrong-

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee54:55

       Mm

   24. BLBruce Lipton54:55

       ... then it was like, "This is wrong," and then I'd give myself the abuse verbally. "Oh, nuts, you're stupid. You're not good enough. What, what's wrong with you, Lipton?" And I'd be doing that. And I, I was in my lab, and I, I'd just spent a, a procedure that took about an hour to prepare for the experiment and, uh, and if you mess it up just a little bit, you have to start all over again. The third time that day, I messed it all up, and now I'm really upset. I spent the whole damn day doing this. It didn't work, and then I'm getting, "Oh, you idiot, you can't do anything right." And I was giving myself, like, a parent on my shoulder telling me where, "You're, that's not good enough." And I'll never forget. There, I was alone in the lab, and I hear this voice [laughs] . And I, there's nobody there. I hear this voice, like, you know? And, and the voice says, "Don't you have anything better to do than to listen to this crap?" I looked around. I started to laugh because I said, "Sure. I'd rather go to a movie." So there was a newspaper. I picked up the paper, I found a movie, went off to the theater. Guess what? That whole dialogue ended instantly. I had a choice. I had a... That's what it was saying. I have a choice. Do you wanna continue this conversation, or you wanna do something else? That was the moment of empowerment that was so great because it said, "Stop." [laughs] "Stop. Do something else. Get out of here."

   25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee56:14

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BLBruce Lipton56:14

       And, uh, and the next time I started to get a little depressed, first thing that came back was the humor of that, and I'd laugh, and I'd go, "Okay, I'll do something else." After three or four times, guess what? I've never been depressed since that time. Never. Why? It, it just doesn't hold in my mind. If a, if a depression c- you know, like a negative thing starts happening, I don't sit there and play it over and over and over again, which makes you go downhill, downhill. I just, "Oh, I don't, I have a choice." It's the choice. Do I wanna listen to this stuff, or do I wanna do something else?

   27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee56:48

       You know, Bruce, this is something that I think's so important because- Sorry to interrupt. If you are enjoying this content, there's loads more just like it on my channel, so please do take a moment to press Subscribe, hit the notification bell, and now back to the conversation. So many people do struggle with negative thought patterns, and they then get stuck in a vicious negative-

   28. BLBruce Lipton57:09

       I was there

   29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee57:10

       ... cycle, and you've basically explained how you were there. Again, the key thing being were there.

   30. BLBruce Lipton57:16

       Yes.
10. 59:26 – 1:04:56

    Protecting Your Energy: News, Arguments and the Energy Checkbook

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee59:26

       And, and this, this idea that the first seven years of our life are crucial.

    2. BLBruce Lipton59:33

       Yes.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee59:33

       Okay. But presumably, even if we've made an active decision to change and go, "Okay. All right, Bruce. All right, Rangan. I'm hearing you guys. I am being driven by my unconscious patterns. I'm gonna get with the program and start changing this," what I'm thinking about is if you're still being exposed to ideas and negative thoughts and fear-based messaging, it's gonna make it harder for you presumably to make those changes. And I guess where I'm coming at this from is a couple of things. One is I don't watch the news anymore, haven't done for many years.

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:00:23

       Smart. Smart.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:00:25

       And I know to some people, that's a very controversial idea. I mean, what does it mean to be an informed citizen of the world? I kind of, you know, I welcome that discussion at some point if someone wants to have it, but I- I genuinely don't see how my life is enhanced in any way by watching the news. It doesn't make you feel good. It doesn't help you be more loving, more collaborative. It's intentionally, and I don't mean this necessarily in a manipulative way, but just by virtue of the fact that it's competing with other news channels, they've gotta make it scarier, they've gotta make it more fear-based to grab your attention.

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:01:02

       Yes.

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:01:03

       Right? So the news is, is one thing which I think many people are addicted to watching the news. They watch it and consume it regularly, don't realize what it's doing for their passing. I'd, I'd, I'd welcome your view on that. And then I guess the follow-on on that for me also is that if we're constantly consuming information from outside, news, social media, whatever it might be, it's kind of hard to know who we are. Like, what do we think? Is, is the way we think really us, or is it simply a reflection of what we've been consuming?

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:01:40

       Uh, well, basically, uh, let's take one step back 'cause here's a very important part. People say it, but m- most people don't understand it, but from a biomedical physics point of view, life is energy. Uh, energy in our body is what fuels us, keeps us moving. Uh, and I talk to people and I say, "You know, how much of your energy are you giving away every day?" And they say, "What do you mean?" I say, "You're putting out energy. Are you getting anything back from this? Are you making any changes out there with your energy?" You can go into a bar, you can have a political argument with somebody, get heated up, which is wasting energy, get all riled up, and you got this argument, and, "Ah, yeah," and then you walk out of the bar and say, "What changed? Did you change anything here?" And I go, "Absolutely not." I say, "Did you get heated up?" "Yeah." "Did you spend all that energy?" "Yeah." "Did you get anything out of it?" "Absolutely not." I come up with the idea of, you know, uh, we have a checkbook with our account in the bank. I say the, the money in the bank is energy, that's what it is, uh, that you can do things with. I say, "You don't just write checks for nothing. You don't give s- 'Oh, wow, what a nice smile you have. Here's $50 for you,'" or 50 pounds or whatever. And I go, "You don't just pass out this money." I say, "Why not?" Because you know if you write this check, you're taking it out of your resource and you're not getting anything from it. I say, "What if I gave you an energy checkbook?" They say, "What does that mean?" I say, "Well, if you're gonna use your life energy, uh, and you're gonna write a check here, are you getting anything back from that energy you just spent?" I say, "Can you change something?" "No." "Then why the hell are you putting your energy into it?" You know? I put my energy into things that enhance my life or enhance the life of my community. That's where I put my energy. And why? Because that's giving me something productive with my energy. Most people s- waste their energy with arguments and all kinds of stuff like that. You're not changing anything. You're just using your life, because energy is life. A- and so it's basically, I say, "Well, if I give you that energy checkbook, I bet you'd be very much more cautious about how you're using your life energy during the day. Because if you're just wasting it, you didn't get nothing out of it, you changed nothing." That's, so that's how I look at it. I say, "If I'm gonna put my time into this, uh, uh, do I get something or does my community get something? If not, I disconnect." Why? Because what, what am I gonna... That's my life. [laughs] Why do I wanna give energy to this when I have no influence over what's gonna happen? You can get in all the political arguments you want. You're not gonna change politics, you know? You can watch the news, and that's the part, uh, because then you get caught up in the story. And I say, "Yeah, you're caught up in a story. What do you, what can you change here? Nothing? Why are you getting caught up in the story?" Because you have no influence over the story except it can eat your energy up, and you can't... A- and there's nothing that that energy that you just used will do to help any of that stuff you just saw-

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:38

       Yeah

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:04:38

        ... on that news. And, but, and people, if they actually had to write a, a check for spending their life energy, all of a sudden you're gonna see how quickly lives are gonna improve, because what they're gonna do is now keep that energy for their life instead of giving it away.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:54

        Yeah.

11. 1:04:56 – 1:13:13

    Relationships, The Honeymoon Effect and Unconscious Patterns

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:56

       I wanna talk about relationships, Bruce. We've spoken a little bit about how our subconscious programming can negatively impact our health and our mood and our, I guess, our day-to-day sense of wellbeing. Our relationships with other people are a huge source of wellbeing. They're a huge source of stress, but they can also be a huge stress reliever if we have these close, nourishing relationships.

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:05:28

       Right.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:05:31

       And where, in your view, do these unconscious patterns play out in our relationships with other people?

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:05:37

       Oh, well, I, I could give you the best example, me. [laughs] Because I said, "Look, you get programmed in that first seven years." And I say, "How do you get programmed? You watch your parents, family, and community." So in that seven years, how do I know about relationships? Well, I watched my mother and father because that's the example of relationships that I'm downloading. Well, they were dysfunctional. And I say, "So what was the result?" I acquired a dysfunctional understanding about relationships by observing them and downloading those kind of programs. For 40-plus years, I could never get a relationship off the ground. Why? Because if I start all of a sudden playing these programs, uh, th- then potential relationships would disappear because they, nobody wanted to do that. You know, I didn't... My parents didn't wanna do that, but they did it, but I downloaded it. Uh, uh, and that's when I started to realize, "My God, I've, I have to change this whole thing about relationships." And I, I, I rewrote this, the, the, my own programming to understand, look, that, that I, what I downloaded from my family, th- this is not gonna get me what I want in this life. And, and it comes down, what do I want? Oh, now I have an idea of what I can program. A- and the joy about this is I didn't have any really good relationships. I, I, I met my, my partner now, Margaret, when I was 50 years old. And guess what? We've been on a relationship over 25 years of a honeymoon. A honeymoon. 25 years, wake up every day, go, "Oh my God, I'm still here. Here's my beautiful partner," and we share and we love and we work together and we do all these things. And it never would have happened because my programming from being in my family would never have provided a happy relationship with anybody. Uh, and it's interesting because I wrote the book called The Honeymoon Effect. I say, uh, "What's The Honeymoon Effect?" I say, "Well, every day your life is blah, blah, blah, blah. Then you meet someone, you fall in love, and 24 hours later it's like, 'Oh my God, life is beautiful. Everything is wonderful, the music, the food, even the job that... It's just, the crummy job, it doesn't, doesn't bother me.'" And I go, "Why? Because you're in love." And, uh, and then I go, "Well, that's called the honeymoon." And then I say, "But then here's a problem," I say, "But the honeymoon is usually short-lived. Could be, uh, for some as short as a week or a month or a year, uh, and, and then it wears out and then you come back to regular life." And I go, "What's that all about?" And the answer is simply this. Remember we have a conscious creative mind with wishes and desires and a subconscious mind with program. Science has recognized when people fall in love, they stop thinking. And I say, "What do you mean they stop thinking?" They, they stay what is called mindful. They stay present. I go, "Why? You've been looking for this person your whole life. If you're thinking, you're disconnecting. So when you first fall in love, you stay present. You wanna be there. You're taking in the love, the joy. Everything is great." And, and I say, "Well, what does that mean?" Well, if you stay in the conscious mind, then you're not playing the program. I go, "Oh, conscious mind's creative." I go, "What happens if two people come together and are only playing creative?" Well, then they create Heaven on Earth. Then I say, "But then why does it disappear?" Because inevitably you start thinking [laughs] again because you have a job, responsibilities, whatever it is. And I say the moment you start thinking, then the behavior that you're playing is not you, it's the program. And your partner that you fell in love with never saw your program because during the honeymoon you never played your programs. And then all of a sudden you're thinking, your partner comes in and asks you some little simple thing, and then you go, "Blah, blah, blah" and your partner looks at you and goes, "Who are you?" And you're go- like, "What are you talking about?" And the answer is, what happened? My loving, creative mind, conscious, was not engaged with, with my partner at that moment. My subconscious, what, what did I do? I just played my father. My God, [laughs] you know, that's a g- My partner looks at me like, "Who are you? Where did that come from?" And it's like, and then you gotta remember, when you're playing your subconscious programs, you're the one that doesn't know what you're playing at, so it's like, "What are you talking about?" I say to her. [laughs] And she said, "Well, bl- you said this." I said, "That's not me." Uh, uh, yeah, but it wasn't me. It was a program. And when more programs come back into the relationship from both sides, we didn't get together on our honeymoon because of our programs. We got together because of our conscious wishes and desires mind. But once the programs from our family history and all that start to play into this thing, it disrupts the relationship.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:10:10

       I love these examples. Let me just clarify one thing. Um, so conscious mind, thinking mind. Uh, subconscious mind, these kind of preexisting patterns and behaviors.

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:10:21

       Yes.

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:10:23

       Right. Now, I get it. When you're in love, in the first few weeks, months, years, whatever of a relationship, everything's great, right? You don't see, uh, negative patterns. Maybe they're not there. Maybe you're just opting not to see them, right? So you're totally present. So when you're in that moment, you're in love, you're fully present, you're not being led by your subconscious patterns then, are you? Like your parents' relationship. What-- But it's-- you're not thinking too much either. What, what, what's going on there?

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:10:59

       When you're not thinking, that means your conscious mind's not looking inside, and if your conscious mind is now looking outside, it's engaging with the world. And I say, yeah, but what is the conscious mind? Wishes, desires, aspirations, what you want, creative.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:11:14

       Ah, so got it. So the conscious mind at that moment is engaging with the world, but when you've stopped being present and engaging with your partner and the world, and you go back to the job stresses and things, your conscious mind then goes inward. Is that right?

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:11:28

        That right. And now, but then, well, who's controlling the behavior while you're having these thoughts? I go, that's when the subconscious kicks in-

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:11:36

        Got it

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:11:36

        ... and plays the program. But is that you? And I go, "No, the subconscious is not you. The subconscious is the programming you downloaded."

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:11:44

        Yeah. And with relationships, I think this is a huge problem because I think many people jump from relationship to relationship thinking the problem was the other person.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:11:57

        Exactly.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:11:58

        Right now, of course, sometimes a relationship is not meant to be there, and it's probably not the right thing to continue, right?

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:12:04

        Yeah.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:04

        I get that.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:12:05

        Yeah.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:06

        But a lot of the time, we go from relationship to relationship trying to find the right person without realizing that everywhere you go, the same problem, the same behaviors are following you around.

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:12:18

        [laughs]

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:18

        So, like, what's the pattern? And I, I, I think relationships is where this really plays out. I think if any of us think about, um, niggles or, or disagreements we've had with our partners in the past, like most of the time it's these unconscious patterns, isn't it?

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:12:36

        Almo- not most of the time. Virtually-

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:38

        Yeah

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:12:38

        ... all of the time it's these unconscious patterns. Uh, uh, uh, and so-

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:42

        And you can see it clearly in your partner which parent they're playing out-

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:12:46

        Right

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:46

        ... but you probably can't see it as well in yourself.

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:12:48

        That's, that-- we go right back to the story. Subconscious. You didn't even see you said that.

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:12:52

        Yeah.

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:12:52

        That's the story, uh, you know, like I said, Bill, you're just like your dad, and he denies that he's like his dad because when he plays those programs, he's the only one that can't see it.
12. 1:13:13 – 1:22:34

    Method Three: Energy Psychology and Trauma Work

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:13:13

       What's this third method of reprogramming our subconscious minds?

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:13:19

       It's new. It's very new. Uh, and it's... There's an old saying, uh, "Necessity is the mother of invention." And I say, "Well, what's the necessity?" I say, "Human behavior, science has recognized as a fact, human behavior is precipitating what is called the sixth mass extinction of life on this planet." And the first little thing it implies is, "Well, there must've been five mass extinctions [laughs] before." And I go, "Yes, there was." Life was thriving on this planet five different times, and something happened that upended the whole, the, the whole planet to some degree. Uh, uh, some, uh, some of the five times, 90% of life disappeared.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:13:54

       Mm-hmm.

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:13:54

       Uh, the last mass extinction was 66 million years ago. That's when there were dinosaurs here. Planet was flush. There were forests and everything. It was just thriving, and a comet, big, giant comet hit near, uh, in Mexico, the Yucatan Peninsula. The comet was so big it upended the web of life, and the web of life as it collapsed, the dinosaurs... 75% of life disappeared, including all the dinosaurs disappeared. And then evolution, so, and we started all over again. And today we're at a point where we're now losing species a thousand times faster than background, and it's estimated that human behavior is gonna cause the loss of another one or two million species on this planet because we're, we're not living in harmony with nature, okay? We're upsetting the balance. We're facing this. So is, it's human behavior [laughs] that is causing this problem. So it's interesting because we have to change our behavior faster. We can't just keep on the same behavior because that's, we're creating the problem with this behavior. So I said, "Well, what happened?" A new form of psychology has come about called energy psychology. It's not typical cognitive therapy where you talk about, "Oh, this person did that, my mom did this, my friend did that, and this is why I'm here," and you cry and you got tissues and you review your life. And I go, "Uh, it works for some but it's not that really good because when you do cognitive therapy you are replaying all the [laughs] problems that you had, so you're just like pushing the button every time like, you know, and that's why all the tissues [laughs] are there at the... Because you, you cry all over this." I say then the, the new version's called energy psychology. I don't have to go backwards to find out how I got a program. I have the program. I don't have to go back and say, "Who, who created that program in me? What incidents created that? Who was responsible?" That's more the cognitive end. And I go, "It's irrelevant." Why? You have the program now. They're not here anymore. So do I have to go back? And the answer is no. You have to deal with the program. And I said, "Well, what's the program?" Well, we talked about that. I said, "Just look at your life. Wherever you're struggling, it's, it's not because the universe wants you to struggle. You're struggling because your program." So now the thing is do I have to go back? I say no. What is it you want versus what you have? And there's a process called super learning. And you go, "What's super learning?" Well, I can tell you some people how they, they, they go into a bookstore and they can move their finger down the page of a book. As fast as they move that finger down, just like foom, like a second or two, they read every word on, on that page. That's super learning. You could read a book in 15 minutes or something like that. If you can engage the super learning process, then you can get a reprogramming not in days, weeks, or whatever. You can get a reprogramming of your programs in 15, 20 minutes, walk away a completely different after that. Uh, and that's because we've got to change our behaviors really quickly in order to sustain us on this planet right now. So energy psychology is a number of modalities that engage the super learning process. And in the, in that process, then you can rewrite a program and walk away 15, 20 minutes later with, with a different life experience. It's like miracle magic I've experienced. I wouldn't have been able to write my books if I didn't do a reprogram my subconscious. Uh, and, and all of a sudden I said, "Well, where are these?" Let me just help people very quickly is my website is simple, brucelipton.com. Okay? On there I have a, a description of about 25 different energy psychology modalities, a little description and a website. And, and if you're interested, and then just look these up, and if you find one that appeals to you, uh, then check out their website and see what's going on. But to me, having experienced this, having understanding all of this, and then experiencing it is like, oh my God, to me that's like a miracle in today's world because habituation, repeating things, it takes many times-

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:17:58

       Yeah

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:17:58

       ... to repeat, repeat, repeat. Or even, uh, uh, earphones on at night, self-hypnosis, uh, because theta's only a short period. You have to repeat that over a night, overnight or, you know, or for many times. Uh, energy psychology you can, uh, have an experience and walk away 15, 20 minutes later.

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:18:16

       Well, I definitely would love to learn more about these different energy psychology modalities. W- as you were describing, um, the, the benefits and that you can potentially reprogram patterns in 15, 20 minutes, right?

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:18:34

       Yes.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:18:34

       What, what, what I like about that, 'cause we, we haven't really mentioned specifically trauma yet by name, and there are clearly a lot of therapies where people can go back in and look at their childhood trauma, their previous experiences, and they can try and go in and change them.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:18:56

        Yes.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:18:57

        Now, on a personal note, the one that I found life-changing was something called IFS, internal family systems. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it or not.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:19:08

        No, I don't, I'm not with that one.

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:19:09

        Dr. Richard Schwartz, and what I love about it is that you can go back into a childhood moment in the, in this sort of process with, um, the IFS therapist And you can literally rewrite the script in that moment. You go back in, let's say as your four-year-old self, you go back to an instant that you can remember when you were seven, and you then go in and reframe the entire thing. Like, it's your four-year-old self talking to your six-year-old self, being, understanding the situation, explaining it from both sides. And they've got some really good research on this.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:19:47

        Yes.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:19:47

        And it's when you go to sleep, a new memory gets laid down, and I've experienced this whereby instead of keep talking about it, keep talking about it, keep talking about it, oh, that's what happened, that's what happened. Actually, you can go back in, almost write a new script about what was a traumatic experience, and then you just start playing out a new pattern because you've rewritten that script. And I, I appreciate it may not be the same thing as energy psychology. I, I, I, I don't wanna-

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:20:18

        I, I would list it as energy psychology.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:20:20

        Would you?

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:20:21

        Yeah, because, uh, uh, it, it's not going through that repetition of let's go over it and over and over again and-

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:20:28

        'Cause you think people can get-

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:20:29

        ... try to talk you out of it. It's like that-

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:20:30

        Do you think people can get locked sometimes in a pattern of looking at their trauma and just stay looking and say... I'm not criticizing anyone for that, I'm just, I just wonder sometimes can we stay there too long?

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:20:43

        Well, yeah, because, uh, when you go back and you play it over and over again, you're just repeating the same trauma over and over and over again. So you're, you're, you're making a habit to continue [laughs] the trauma by, by experiencing it again and again and again. You're, you're, you're, you're, you know, just repetition. It's, that's what we talked about, habituation. Now you're just taking an old pattern and habituating it to even make it stronger than it was before. [laughs]

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:21:09

        Yeah.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:21:09

        So, yeah. Uh, there's so many different ways, so the, like y- the program you just said. These are ways that how can I shortcut the system? Uh, uh, and how can I get in touch to, with that subconscious to do this? Uh, uh, and this is really... We wanna, we wanna fix our, our, ourselves up, but we always think it will change the world. The world is causing the problem. Look, you wake up in the morning, you wake up and you say, "Today, I'm gonna get healthier. Today, I'm gonna find that relationship or a better job." And you go out all day, and you come home at night, and it didn't work. And I said, "Well, what does the average person think about in that regard?" They got up in the morning, "Today, I'm gonna be successful." They came home not being successful. I said, "What, what do they think about at that moment?" They go, "Oh, man. Well, that person interfered with me, and this thing interfered, and that thing happened." And all of a sudden, the, what are they saying? "I'm a victim of these things out there that interfere with my destination." And then I go, "Well, here's, here's the, the joke part. You didn't realize all [laughs] day long you were playing the programs that manifested those things all day long." So that disempowers us because it says, "I'm, I'm not responsible for this problem. All these other people are responsible for this problem," because you did not see your own participation-

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:22:31

        Yeah

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:22:31

        ... in this thing.

13. 1:22:34 – 1:25:27

    Advice for Parents of Young Children

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:22:34

       What can we do as parents in those first seven years of life? If we've struggled, if we've overcome them, if we've tried to reprogram, maybe we've successfully reprograms. But of course, you know, all parents would try their best to, uh, ensure or increase the likelihood that their kids don't have to go through the same struggles. Have you got any advice for parents of young kids?

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:22:59

       Simple. They're downloading whatever you tell them. If you start telling them the story that you want them to be, "You're smart, you're intelligent, you're beautiful, you're powerful," repeating this because remember, they're downloading these behaviors, okay? And so when they, uh, uh, are operating 95% of their life, uh, and they're defaulting to these subconscious programs, what are these programs? "I'm powerful, I'm capable, I can do anything, I'm smart." Because most of us are defaulting to the criticisms, "Not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve this." I go, "Well, [laughs] both situations are right. Whatever program you put in, you're gonna manifest." So if I'm gonna be a parent, then I want my child to start off with, "You're, you know, l- we love you. You are a won-," you know, giving every positive statement to that child as an infant, even just after they're born. [laughs] And I go, people think, oh, they start talking baby talk. I say, "This kid is downloading your words [laughs] right now because the subconscious-

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:03

       Yeah

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:24:04

       ... is a download." And I say, "So what are you saying to this child?" Uh, uh, uh, and that becomes critical because then that, whatever you're programming at this point, will activate 95% of the life of that child later.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:16

       And if the child's gone past seven, because of course these seven years are critical-

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:24:21

       Yeah

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:21

       ... I, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, so let me just ask the question. Is it still worth, um, changing these patterns and trying to help them download the same programs? Let's say they're eight, nine, ten. Let's say they're teenagers.

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:24:36

       Yeah.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:37

       If you've, now hearing this conversation and you thought, "You know what? When my kids were young, I had all the negative self-thought. I kept calling myself a loser. They probably picked that up from me. I don't wanna feel guilt. There's no point for the guilt, uh, and beating yourself up about that." Can they still change it even if their kids are above the age of seven?

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:24:59

        Remember, the, the second way of change was habituation.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:03

        Yeah.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:25:04

        So if-

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:04

        Of course

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:25:05

        ... it doesn't make any difference what age they are at that point, if you habituate a new behavior, then that will download.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:11

        Yeah.

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:25:11

        It takes a little longer, but, you know, than before age seven, but it's still how you put a program in. Habit repla- you know, repeating and repeating this, it becomes habit at that point.

14. 1:25:27 – 1:32:46

    Living Programmed Love and Closing Reflections on Creation

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:27

       What do you do on a daily basis, Bruce? Are there any routines, any practices that you do to keep yourself in this happy, contented, creative mode?

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:25:39

       [laughs] I wake up in love. I just wake up in love. The rest of the day flows so beautifully. There's no practices anymore for myself. Why? I put those programs in. They run automatically. I don't have to even practice it because practicing means I don't have the program, and I wanna make the program. But if you already have the program, then you don't have to do the practice. And all of a sudden, you just naturally wake up, you're in love, you naturally are helping your partner, your community, your friends. You're just... It's natural. So it's not like, "Let me work on this. Let me, let me be, you know, let me be more loving to my partner."

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:26:18

       Mm.

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:26:18

       It's like, I don't have to be more loving to my partner. We're already fully in love. I [laughs] you know?

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:26:23

       Yeah.

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:26:23

       It's like, you know, uh, people say, "I love, you know, I love you more," or something. I say, "No." I always tell my wife, uh, "How much love?" I, "Full amount." It's like the gas tank. How much love? Oh, I'm filled up with love. You can't put any more love in there. It's already filled up. It's already there. Uh, and so practice by definition means something's not working, and you wanna engage yourself to make it work, and then you do a practice. But what if you did the programming already? You know, when I got with my partner, Margaret, uh, I still had pr- programs from my parents that weren't any good, but she knew about programming. I know about programming, and this is the important part because if a couple doesn't know about programming, then when some behavior shows up unexpectedly, it's like, "Whoa, who are you? What's this all about?" Uh, but if you already know that programs exist, and a bad program comes up, it doesn't go into an argument. It can go into a discussion.

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:27:17

       Yeah.

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:27:17

       "Do you want to have this program?" And then I would say, "What program?" "Oh, you didn't see what you just said or did?" And it's like, "Oh." And I say, "Well, let's change the program," and then we change the program. So what do you do? Over a period of time, you edit these programs, and when it gets to the point of it's editing, then do I have to practice more editing? I go, "No, I changed these programs already." If I... Here's a simple point. I said the conscious mind is wishes and desires. The subconscious mind is programmed. Yes. What if you took your wishes and desires and put them in as programs? Then the answer is what? Whether you're conscious or whether you're subconscious, you're still going to the same destination.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:27:58

       Yeah.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:27:58

        And now that's the secret part. You, this is not a lifelong struggle. Once the programs are set, you don't have to work on it anymore. It's already done.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:28:06

        Yeah.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:28:07

        So it's not like, "I gotta do this every day." I go, "No, once you, if it's programmed, you will automatically do it every day without even thinking you're doing it."

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:28:14

        So powerful. Um, I, I've really, really enjoyed this conversation. Bruce, this podcast is called Feel Better, Live More. When we feel better in ourselves, we get more out of our lives, and you've beautifully made the case that if we can change these unconscious programs intentionally, we can absolutely get more out of our lives. I wonder, right at the end of this conversation that I've thoroughly enjoyed, have you got any final words, final thoughts, final bits of advice to share with people to help, I guess, improve the way that they feel?

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:28:54

        Well, uh, yeah, it's, it's just basically simply this, is that we are creators. We came here to create, but if you've been programmed, then you're not creating, the program is creating. And the idea is if you can then use [laughs] your creation to put the program in that you want, then you can manifest what you want in this life. That's basically what it is. Uh, and, uh, and the idea is what is it we're really looking for? You know, as I said to a lot of people, "Give me the money. Give me the money." I go, "The money, uh, you think is gonna make you happy." And I gotta say, look, there are a lot of rich people are the unhappiest people I've ever seen in my life.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:29:30

        Yeah. I see.

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:29:30

        And so it's not that, but we've been some kind of programmed, the competition, get this, you'll have this, you're gonna be better, and some of the poorest people are some of the happiest people I've ever seen. Uh, uh, and then all of a sudden it starts to realize then happiness is not a physical thing. Uh, I need to get things to be happy, and, uh, uh, and I just have to say, I, I, I know life from both sides. My, you know, my, my first formative years is I, I was programmed to be a, a scientist. I was programmed to be educated. That was my family, just like in your family.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:03

        Yeah.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:30:03

        Go ahead, get this education, and I got this education. I didn't get programmed how to be a happy person. I didn't get programmed how to be a good partner. That was not part of the program, and so I failed at that end. But now I've compensated for that, and the absolute truth is, and I believe this with the most certainty, that people think you die, and then you can go to heaven if you did well. And I say, "Boy, you missed it," because this to me is heaven. I say, "Why is this heaven?" I say, "Because this is where you came to create." We're creating. Uh, uh, and, uh, and unfortunately, we've been programmed to create stuff that we don't even like. So then we're not creators. We're just playing the program. Uh, and if you understand it, then don't, don't waste this life-

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:49

        Yeah

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:30:49

        ... because heaven on earth is a reality. This is. Uh, uh, and I didn't know it for s- 40 years, but I live this every minute now. And, uh, it was interesting. My, my mother married when she was older, uh, remarried, and, and she married this guy that, uh, I thought he was a curmudgeon, and he was just a, uh, somebody I didn't even really wanna be around, but my mother was happy. Fine. Uh, but the story about it that was so neat is that he lived to 97, and he had cancer, and my mother took care of him at home. And the last week of his life, he essentially wasn't even there. He was just in a more like a coma kind of thing.

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:31:29

        Oh.

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:31:29

        And then two days before he died, his eyes opened up, and he was there. He was there, and he said to her, "I didn't have any fun." And I thought, "Oh, my God, 97 years old. He's gonna die in a couple of days," and it just dawned on him-

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:31:47

        Yeah

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:31:47

        ... he didn't have any fun. And I thought, "I'm not going out that way." I'm going out and saying, "My God, thank you for this opportunity to be here."

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:31:56

        Well, we'll save that for a part two, Bruce. I mean, next time you're in the UK, I'd love to do a part two and delve deeper. But thank you so much for your work. Thank you for coming on the show. It's been a pleasure.

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:32:07

        Thank you so much because, uh, you're helping me. You're helping me do what I want people to, to wake up and realize the creative nature of love, health, harmony, uh, heaven on earth-

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:32:18

        Yeah

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:32:18

        ... because that is available, uh, and yet we struggle, and there, there's no reason for this.

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:32:26

        Thank you.

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:32:26

        Thank you.

Episode duration: 1:32:46