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The BEST WAYS To Heal Chronic Pain & Trauma WITHOUT Medication | Howard Schubiner

Headaches, migraine, back, neck or joint pain, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), fibromyalgia – they’re just some of the common causes of chronic pain, which is estimated to affect between a third to half of all UK adults, or just under 28…

Dr. Rangan ChatterjeehostHoward Schubinerguest
Nov 9, 20221h 56mWatch on YouTube

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  1. What Chronic Pain Is and Why Most Isn't Structural

    Dr. Chatterjee asks what chronic pain is and how common it is. Howard Schubiner explains that the brain creates pain, that most chronic pain has no structural cause, and uses chronic headaches as an example.

    • •Pain is a protector that the brain generates, and it is also an emotion
    • •Most chronic pain, unlike acute pain, has no structural problem in the body
    • •About 95-98% of chronic headaches have no structural disorder
    • •Neural circuits activated by stress and fear create a vicious cycle of pain
  2. Frustrated Doctors and the Message of Hope

    Dr. Chatterjee recalls a frustrating patient case from his early career in which painkiller increases were the only option. Schubiner says Band-Aid care misses the underlying cause, and that listening and validation offer a hopeful alternative to being told the pain is incurable.

    • •Doctors feel powerless and patients feel unheard
    • •Schubiner calls current approaches Band-Aid care
    • •The pain is real and not imaginary, but it is in the brain
    • •Listening and validating patients is where the work starts
  3. How the Brain Creates Pain and Perception

    Schubiner explains that the brain constructs what we see, hear and feel, and decides whether to turn on pain. Emotions and stress activate the same brain regions as physical injury, so stress-related pain is just as real.

    • •The brain creates what we see and hear, with examples from his own life
    • •An ankle cannot cause pain; the brain decides whether to turn pain on
    • •Pain works like a smoke alarm
    • •Emotional stress and physical injury activate the same brain areas
  4. Validation and a Patient's Story of Accumulated Stress

    The conversation turns to why "it's all in your head" is cruel and how hidden emotional pain gets ignored. Schubiner tells the story of a woman whose life stresses lead from migraines to IBS to fibromyalgia.

    • •Saying pain is all in your head is cruel and ignorant
    • •Emotional pain is hidden, so society gives it less sympathy than visible injury
    • •A composite story shows pain emerging across a stressful life
    • •None of this is the patient's fault
  5. Which Conditions Count as Chronic Pain

    Schubiner lists the conditions he sees as neural-circuit-based, including headaches, TMJ, IBS, pelvic pain, fibromyalgia, and neck and back pain. Chatterjee notes that medicine manages these conditions poorly and that medical school teaches little about the mind or trauma.

    • •Chronic pain is pain lasting three to six months
    • •A colleague found 88% of 220 neck and back pain patients had non-structural pain
    • •The brain can also produce anxiety, depression, fatigue and eating disorders
    • •Schubiner describes his own stress-related diarrhea as a young doctor
    • •Medical education omits the mind and trauma
  6. MRI Findings, Surgery and the Fear Loop

    Schubiner shares statistics showing that disc abnormalities are common in people without pain. He and Chatterjee discuss how telling a patient their scan explains their pain is dangerous, leads to surgery without evidence of benefit, and feeds a fear loop that worsens pain.

    • •Many pain-free 30-, 50- and 60-year-olds have degenerative or bulging discs on MRI
    • •No randomized trial shows surgery for neck or back pain beats watching it or exercise
    • •Fear of pain creates a positive feedback loop that makes pain worse
    • •Clinicians' words shape what patients believe and do afterward
  7. Chatterjee's Own Back Pain Journey

    Chatterjee tells of back pain that began while moving boxes, a scan with a disc abnormality, and years of therapies. Schubiner explains how a healed injury can become chronic through learned neural circuits and fear. Chatterjee describes his back easing at his father's cremation, which Schubiner links to emotions and the brain.

    • •Back pain began in medical school and lasted about ten years
    • •A spinal surgeon told him the scan could not explain pain
    • •Schubiner says injuries heal but fear and memory can keep the circuit active
    • •A foot exercise helped, but pain still returned at times of stress
    • •His back eased as his father's coffin entered the cremation oven
  8. Pain as a Message and How Neural Circuits Take Over

    Schubiner describes pain as a signal pointing to something in life that needs attention, with a story of a woman whose neck pain vanished after self-compassion. He then explains the hot-stove pathway, how the brain can override pain, and the clues that distinguish neural-circuit pain from structural pain.

    • •Schubiner says pain is the brain's solution and signal, not the problem
    • •A woman's neck pain disappeared as she cried with compassion for her younger self
    • •The brain decides whether to turn on pain, as in the lion example
    • •Pain that turns on and off, or follows stress or weather, suggests a neural circuit
    • •Physicians must still rule out structural problems
  9. Self-Talk, Athletes and Pain Reprocessing Therapy

    Using the lion example, endurance running and Chatterjee's recent experience lifting his mother, they discuss how self-talk shapes sensation. Schubiner names this pain reprocessing therapy, along with emotional awareness and expression therapy, and describes the Boulder back pain trial with 75% of treated people pain-free in a month.

    • •Tim Noakes's "governor" and athletes' self-talk show the brain protecting and limiting us
    • •Chatterjee reframed the situation before lifting his mother and felt nothing afterward
    • •Pain reprocessing therapy changes the narrative, uses graded exposure and signals safety
    • •In the Boulder study, 33 of 44 treated people were pain-free in one month
    • •Smiling and reassurance help turn off the danger alarm
  10. Skepticism, Cultural Trends and Rising Chronic Pain

    Schubiner says pushback is massive and misunderstands the claim that pain is real. They discuss how stress, posture, repetitive strain injury, culture and adverse childhood experiences relate to pain rates and surgical outcomes.

    • •Chronic pain conditions are a major cause of disability worldwide
    • •Back pain rose alongside post-9/11 stress and doubled in the US over twenty years
    • •Posture matters, but not very much
    • •Symptoms vary by culture and RSI rose and fell in Australia
    • •Workers treated poorly by management are more likely to develop musculoskeletal pain
    • •Back surgery success dropped sharply with three or more adverse childhood events
  11. Empathy, Clinicians' Limits and Three Pain Stories

    A GI physician told Schubiner he felt ill-equipped, and Chatterjee's spinal surgeon friend said empathy is his most important therapy. Schubiner argues therapists should help care for chronic pain, then tells three stories: a nail in the hand without pain, a nail beside the toes with severe pain, and a veteran whose pain returned at a helicopter sound.

    • •The surgeon said his key contribution is to listen, show empathy and be honest that surgery likely won't help
    • •Schubiner says this is neuroscience, not woo-woo
    • •Half of therapy patients with anxiety or depression also have chronic pain
    • •Predictive processing explains pain without injury and absent pain with injury
    • •The veteran's old pain circuit was triggered 20 years later
  12. Resources and the Role of Dr. Sarno

    Schubiner shares books, trainings, an app and documentaries, including OvidDX and Unlearn Your Pain. Schubiner explains the six Fs that feed the pain cycle, discusses John Sarno's influence, and says understanding alone helps some people.

    • •Unlearn Your Pain is for patients and Hidden From View is for professionals
    • •Training and the OvidDX app are available
    • •The six Fs of fear, worry, focus, fighting, frustration and fixing worsen pain
    • •Dr. Sarno's books and documentaries inspired the work
    • •Knowing you're okay turns off the danger signal in perhaps 10-15% of people
  13. Mindfulness, Yoga and Emotional Processing

    Schubiner explains that mindfulness, CBT and ACT have not helped chronic pain much in trials because they skip recategorizing pain as a neural-circuit problem. Yoga and slow breathing signal safety, and journaling belongs to emotional awareness and expression therapy.

    • •Recategorize the symptom first, then observe it with curiosity
    • •Mindfulness is valuable but works best after reframing
    • •Yoga pairs calm with movement so neurons that fire together wire together
    • •Early stress sensitizes the brain's danger signal
    • •Emotional awareness and expression therapy draws on ISTDP and internal family systems
  14. Personality Traits, Painkillers and Personalized Care

    They discuss how acquired traits such as people-pleasing and perfectionism relate to chronic pain. They then cover where painkillers fit, why forced opioid tapering can backfire, and the need to meet patients where they are.

    • •Some temperament is innate, but acquired adaptive traits matter more
    • •Adaptive childhood patterns can add pressure on the danger signal in adulthood
    • •Pain medication may be needed temporarily while doing the work
    • •Forced tapering can trigger fear and a nocebo effect
    • •Patients should be offered this path, not have it forced on them
  15. Final Thoughts: Labels, Long COVID and Hope

    Schubiner closes by urging compassion and careful individual evaluation rather than labels like incurable or bulging discs. He clarifies this does not dismiss diagnoses, gives a long COVID example, and Chatterjee shares a case of a patient with many diagnoses who became pain-free.

    • •Start with compassion and strip away pejorative or incurable labels
    • •Everyone needs an individual assessment, not dismissal of diagnoses
    • •A patient with long COVID improved 80% after one visit
    • •Chatterjee's BBC patient with many diagnoses was pain-free in six weeks
    • •Schubiner says some people will find this path helpful

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