You're Programmed To Sabotage Yourself! - Completely Reinvent Your Life In 2025 | Bruce Lipton

1. 0:00 – 2:31

   Why behavior change fails without rewiring beliefs: conscious vs subconscious

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee0:00

      So Bruce, if I think about what I see around me, both in my job and if I just look out at the public, I see a lot of people trying to make changes. They're trying to change their behaviors, but I don't think they realize that their behaviors are driven by their beliefs. So they change their behaviors, and it lasts for a few weeks or even a few months, but because they've never rewired their belief system, the behavior never sticks in the long term. What's your perspective on that?

   2. BLBruce Lipton0:38

      That's exactly what's going on in the world because people think that, "Oh, my mind," and I say, "The mind?" They go, yeah. Well, they say, "The mind," like there's one single entity. W- w- there's a big mistake. There are two minds that work together. They're interdependent. I have the conscious mind and what is called the subconscious mind. Each of them has a different function and a different way of understanding life and b- responding to life. So let's start with the conscious mind. That's the latest evolution of the brain. It's right behind your forehead, a l- a lobe of brain called prefrontal cortex. This is the seat of consciousness. I say, "Well, what is consciousness?" I say, "Well, that's your personal life, your personal identity. That's where your spirit enters into your, your biology is through the creative conscious mind." Creative is the emphasis. The other mind, which was here long before that, was called the subconscious mind, and by its definition means below consciousness, things that the biology has controlled that you have no, uh, no control over. What's your, your pH in your blood? What's your temperature of your body? You know, what's your respiration? All of these are controlled by the subconscious.

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:45

      Mm.

   4. BLBruce Lipton1:45

      A- and the subconscious is a million times more powerful a processor than is the conscious mind, okay? So I say, "So what's the point?" Ah, the subconscious mind's not creative. Subconscious mind's got programs. It's a hard drive. So if you look at the brain as a computer, you would say the subconscious is the hard drive with programs in it, but the keyboard is where you can type your information in. So I say that's like the consciousness. Conscious mind, conscious mind-

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:16

      Mm

   6. BLBruce Lipton2:16

      ... is the one that is creative, can type on the keyboard, put in wishes and desires and what you want. Subconscious mind is not creative. It's basically a hard drive with programs. Once you push the button, the program unfolds. You have no control over it at that point.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:31

      Mm.

2. 2:31 – 6:02

   Autopilot living: why subconscious programs run most of the day

   1. BLBruce Lipton2:31

      It's just an automatic process. Now, the question is this: Which mind is controlling [chuckles] our lives? Uh, everyone thinks their conscious creative mind, my wishes, my desires, my aspirations, consciousness, they believe that's what's controlling their lives. I go, "Well, this is problematic because everybody has great wishes to be healthy, happy, be in love, great job, and they fail at doing that. Uh, uh, and then they, they feel like victims because they say, 'Well, I wanted to be healthy. I wanted to be in love. I wanted a great job. It's not happening.' And then they go, 'Well, then it must be the source outside that's interfering with me.'" They take on victim. Well, victim by definition means powerless.

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee3:16

      Mm.

   3. BLBruce Lipton3:16

      They feel powerless in the unfolding of their lives. I go, "There's a great misunderstanding, and that is the conscious mind, which is the creative mind-

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee3:26

      Mm

   5. BLBruce Lipton3:26

      ... which has the wishes and desires, can do two things." And I go, "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, the consc- imagine your body's a vehicle, and the conscious mind is looking through the windshield-

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee3:36

      Mm

   7. BLBruce Lipton3:37

      ... and it's driving you to where you wanted to go, happiness, love, health, and all that." I go, "That's one job of the conscious mind, but the other job of the conscious mind is to think." I go, "So what?" Well, thinking is not looking out at the world. Thinking is looking inside. A thought is inside. So the moment you are thinking, consciousness is no longer look, no longer looking at the outside. Consciousness is looking for something on the inside, a thought. Where am I? What am I doing? Where am I going? Why this, that?

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee4:08

      Mm.

   9. BLBruce Lipton4:08

      And I say, "Well, wait. If the consciousness, the conscious mind, is not looking out the windshield and it's inside, well, what happens, for example, if you're thinking when you drive the car?" I go, "What do you mean?" I go, "Well, if you're thinking and you're not looking out the window with your conscious mind where you're going, what, what happens? H- how come you don't crash your car?" And the answer is, when the conscious mind is thinking, the subconscious mind with the programs is autopilot. It takes over, okay? So whatever program you got in your subconscious mind, it's running when you're thinking. And then I go, "Oh my goodness, science has recognized we think 95% of the day we're in thought." I go, "Well, then translate that." And I go, "Yeah, 95% of the day your conscious mind's not running the show. It's inside thinking. So 95% of the day your life is being controlled by the programs that you downloaded in the subconscious." Then I go, "Well, wait a minute. If my programs are not very good," and it turns out 60% of the programs in the subconscious are disempowering, self-sabotaging, or limiting beliefs. So more than half of the programs are, are actually interfering with your life. I said, "Well, I would notice if I was playing one of those programs." He said, "No, that's the part." I say, "Why wouldn't you notice it?" Because why are you playing the subconscious program? Because you're not paying attention to what's going outside in the world. You're looking inside at a thought. So I said, "Well, then when the subconscious programs are playing, you yourself don't even see those programs. Other people see those programs, and they respond to your program, and you're thinking you're the victim because they're challenging your life in some way?" I go, "No, you're the one that sent out the program that they're responding to."

   10. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee6:02

       Mm.

3. 6:02 – 8:41

   The hidden program problem: others can see your patterns before you can

   1. BLBruce Lipton6:02

      We are creating the problem, but we don't see it. Uh, uh, uh, and just to conclude with this, very simple, which a, a point that I've made for 40 years, and that is this. You have a friend, you know your friend's behavior very well. You happen to know your friend's parent, and one day you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent, so you, you volunteer. You go, "Hey, Bill, you're just like your dad." Step back from Bill. I'll tell you why, 'cause, and you already know, because I know what Bill's gonna tell you. He's gonna say, "How can you compare me to my d- my dad? I'm nothing like my dad." And the fact is, but everybody else sees that he's like his dad.

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee6:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BLBruce Lipton6:41

      The only one who doesn't see it is Bill. And here's the problem. We are all Bill. Every one of us, 95% of the day, are creating our lives with programs that we don't even see them playing. We only see the result of those programs because the result is not supporting us when we have negative programs.

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:02

      Yeah. You, you, you said there your friend Bill.

   5. BLBruce Lipton7:09

      Yeah.

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:10

      We could substitute the word friend for partner, right?

   7. BLBruce Lipton7:14

      Oh.

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:14

      Because people see this all the time with their partners.

   9. BLBruce Lipton7:18

      They do.

   10. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:18

       They can, they can see that, oh, you're behaving just like your mom or your dads. And, and, and-

   11. BLBruce Lipton7:25

       And, and a person resents that when they hear it. [laughs]

   12. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:27

       Yeah, because, uh, there is this disconnect-

   13. BLBruce Lipton7:29

       Yes

   14. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:30

       ... I think for many of us-

   15. BLBruce Lipton7:31

       Yeah

   16. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:31

       ... between, you know, what we think our behaviors are and where they've come from and what they actually are, which I think speaks to a lot of your work, which is how can we take back the steering wheel? How can we start to be the architect of our life, of our health, of our happiness, rather than, I guess, a victim to the world around us?

   17. BLBruce Lipton7:55

       Yeah.

   18. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee7:55

       But, but also the way you, you answered that first question, Bruce, for me, there, there's a couple of things that are worth pausing on. One is what you said about 60% of the programs that are running are negative.

   19. BLBruce Lipton8:08

       Yes.

   20. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee8:08

       Okay? They're self-sabotaging. Uh, a- and it, kind of, fits, right, with what I see, which is people struggle to make the changes in their life permanent because they're concentrating on the behavior. "Oh, I want to meditate every day. Oh, I want to do this every day because it's gonna help me," which can go so far, but if you don't go and rewire the underlying belief, I, I kinda feel that our behaviors will always fall back to the level of our beliefs.

4. 8:41 – 21:41

   The honeymoon effect: falling in love suspends programs—until thinking returns

   1. BLBruce Lipton8:41

      100%. It's 100% because unless you change the amount of time that you're running your, your programs... And I say, "What does it mean?" I say, "Well, why am I running a program? Because my conscious mind's thinking." And then I say, "Well, what if you're not thinking? What if you stay what is called present or you stay what is called mindful?" I go, "This is the cool part," because I say, "This turns out science has recognized when we fall in love, uh, what happens when we fall in love is we stop thinking because what you've been looking for your whole life is now in front of you. The idea of thinking is disconnecting. It's like, no, you don't wanna ... You wanna be here." So I go, "Guess what? Science has recognized when you fall in love you stop thinking." I go, "Yeah, but then what happens?" I say, "Well, if you're not thinking, then you're not playing the program." And I say, "Well, then [laughs] if I'm not thinking, then who's running the show?" I go, "The creative conscious mind." So I say, "Your life could be blah, blah, blah, blah, then you meet somebody. 24 hours later, you have a completely different life experience." I go, "What is it?" I say, "You fall in love." I say, "What is it?" I say, "You, you experience something we call the honeymoon." "What's the honeymoon?" "Heaven on Earth." I go, "Well, wait. Every day was blah, blah, blah, then 24 hours after you fall in love you, you're creating the honeymoon?" I go, "Yeah, because you're not creating your life from your program. When you stop thinking, you're creating from the conscious mind, which is wishes and desires. So when two people get together, when they first get together, neither of them are playing their subconscious programs because they're in a creative mode and they're creating that Heaven on Earth honeymoon experience." I go, "Well, this is great why the honeymoon is so wonderful and lovely." I say, "But shortly down the road you have jobs, you have to start thinking, you have planning, you have all s- you start thinking." I go, "So what happens?" I say, "Well, the moment you start thinking, then you, you know, resort to going back to the program." Well, I say-

   2. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee10:39

      Mm

   3. BLBruce Lipton10:39

      ... "Yeah, but guess what? Your partner has never seen your programs because you never played them once you started being in love."

   4. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee10:46

      [laughs]

   5. BLBruce Lipton10:47

      "And all of a sudden these negative things come out, and your partner looks at you and goes, 'Who are you? Wh- Where did that come from?' Because they never saw this. And then as the relationship continues, more and more of the programs from both partners start manifesting." Well-

   6. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee11:01

      So that idea that, that they may say, "Oh, you weren't like that when we first met," it's true and it's not true, right? They were like that, but you never saw that aspect of them because they were present. They were operating from the conscious mind.

   7. BLBruce Lipton11:17

      Right.

   8. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee11:17

      They were always-

   9. BLBruce Lipton11:18

      The creative mind.

   10. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee11:19

       Yeah. So th- 'Cause that's interesting 'cause both parts were there, but one part was hidden, and that's why the honeymoon effect, I guess, it, it, it sort of wears off after a while.

   11. BLBruce Lipton11:29

       It does, and that, and then all of a sudden we s- why do 50% of marriages end in divorce? And the answer is because nobody signed up for the programs. They signed up for the creative, conscious-

   12. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee11:39

       [laughs]

   13. BLBruce Lipton11:39

       ... wishes and desires. When the program starts showing up, it's like, "Who are you? Where, where did that come from?"

   14. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee11:45

       Yeah, and then there's also another problem there, isn't there, which is people will often go from relationship to relationship. Again, I accept there are some problematic relationships. There are some violent relationships. There are things that we, we should leave, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about- This phenomena that I think is pretty common where after a while we think, "Oh, this partner's not right for us."

   15. BLBruce Lipton12:09

       Yes.

   16. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee12:10

       And so I'm gonna find someone else who is right. And that cycle can keep going, but the same patterns follow you everywhere you go because they're your subconscious patterns.

   17. BLBruce Lipton12:20

       [laughs] Yeah. There's a, there's a joke. It's like, uh, the, the second marriage or third marriage is like, uh, I married the same person with different colored hair. [laughs] Basically, I'm still carrying my same program from this relationship to the next, but every time I start the relationship, I'm not playing the program because then I'm being conscious. And so every new relationship is like, "Oh, wow, Heaven on Earth. This is wonderful. The honeymoon, I love this." Inevitably, then it returns back to the program and that relationship starts to collapse and fall.

   18. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee12:52

       Yeah. The, the other thing I just wanted to, uh, pause on is what you said about driving the car. Because I think some people, Bruce, may think, "What is this? Conscious, subconscious, you know, what exactly are you talking about? You know, everything I do in my life is, is conscious," right? Most of us have experienced driving-

   19. BLBruce Lipton13:10

       Yes

   20. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee13:12

       ... when at some point we've totally switched off. We're daydreaming, we're going through our job list, we're, we're working out a relationship issue, whatever it might be, yet we still stop at the red light. I think that's so powerful because it shows us, for anyone who's skeptical, it's like, well, wait a minute. If you're not consciously thinking about the road, who on earth is, right? Something is going on. There is an intelligence in your body. Your subconscious brain is still monitoring the cars, the traffic signals. Do you know what I mean? And I think-

   21. BLBruce Lipton13:42

       Yeah

   22. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee13:42

       ... for anyone who's just like-

   23. BLBruce Lipton13:42

       Well, and driving, driving is a habit, and a habit is a program. You learn to drive by repetition. You practice, you practice. What's the point? When you first got in the car, you were so conscious, aware of everything, what's going on out the windows-

   24. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee13:56

       Mm-hmm

   25. BLBruce Lipton13:56

       ... the mirrors, the engine, the feet on the pedals. You were conscious. Now, you've been driving a car for a while. You get in there, you put the key in, and you're thinking about where I'm gonna go, what I'm gonna do, and all this stuff. You- paying attention to the rules, all of a sudden you're not doing that. So let's just say you and I are in the car right now and we're having this conversation. I'm driving the car. And we have this great conversation. My focus is on you, your focus is on me. I'm driving the car. And all of a sudden, I realize I'm not paying attention to the road. Uh, uh, and you know, like, oh my God, we're at the exit already. How did that happen?

   26. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:29

       Mm.

   27. BLBruce Lipton14:29

       I'm already at the exit. I ask two questions. This is where it comes down to. I say, "What was your conversation about?" "Oh, well, we talked about this and we talked about that." Then I ask, "Well, what was on the road when you were having the conversation?" The answer's, "I have no idea." And all of a sudden I, I go, "Right." And the point about it was what? You were not driving the car. The program was driving the car. You had no idea what was on the road.

   28. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:54

       Yeah.

   29. BLBruce Lipton14:54

       The program did it. And I say, "But that's 95% of our lives."

   30. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee14:59

       I love it, Bruce. Okay. So what I thought for this conversation today-
5. 21:41 – 31:03

   Where programs come from: early childhood ‘recording’ and later repetition

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee21:41

      Where do we get these programs from?

   2. BLBruce Lipton21:43

      Listen, in the old days, before, uh, um, w- we used to buy a computer originally. Uh, and you bought a brand-new computer, and you take it home, and you plug it in, you push start, and the screen lights up. It's booted up, and I go, "You got a brand-new computer." I say, "Let's do something." They say, "Well, I can't do anything." "You- but you got a brand-new computer." They say, "Oh, no. First I have to put programs in the computer to use the computer." I go, "The brain is a computer. It's the most fabulous computer humans have ever experienced, and it works in the same way." Ba- basically it says this. In the last trimester of pregnancy, three months before you're born, your brain screen lights up. It's booted. It's ready to go. "Yeah, but I can't do anything with it until I get programs." Well, how do you get programs? The brain of a child from three months before birth to about seven years of age is not operating at consciousness at a, any level, really, okay? And I say, "Well, what's it operating at? It's not, it's not conscious yet." I go, "It's in a lower vibration." And I use the word vibration because when you put wires on a person's head to read their brain activity, it's in levels of vibration energy. A, a child's brain up to about seven is primarily in a vibration called theta. Now, theta is not consciousness. It's below consciousness. So I say, "Well, a child up till seven is not really conscious." I go, "No. But, uh, they're dealing with the world." And I say, "Oh, what's theta?" Theta is, um, actually imagination. And I go, "Ah, that's what kids do. They can live in the real world and the imaginary world at the same time." Uh, I always give at a lecture, I talk about the famous tea party. They pour nothing into the cup. They drink nothing, and they, "Oh, that's the best tea I ever had in my life."

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee23:32

      [laughs]

   4. BLBruce Lipton23:32

      Or, or the child's on a broom, and they say it's a horse. In their mind, theta, it's not a broom. It, uh, their imagination has turned it into a horse. So the mother says, "Give me the broom," and the child looks at her like, "I don't know what you're talking about."

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee23:46

      [laughs]

   6. BLBruce Lipton23:47

      Okay? And I say, "That is the character. Imaginary friends, imaginary things." I say, "That's a character of theta. Theta is hypnosis." I go, "What?" I say, "Why?" I say, "How many rules must a child learn to be a functional member of a family? How many rules must a child learn to be a functional member of their community?" And I go- ... a thousand rules maybe or more. I said, "So how's an infant gonna learn? You gonna send it to school? Read a book? Go to a classroom?" I say, "An infant can't do that." Nature handled it by saying, "Okay, first seven years, you're in hypnosis. You wanna know how to live? Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your siblings, watch your community-

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee24:31

      Mm-hmm

   8. BLBruce Lipton24:31

      ... download their behavior and now you know the rules of living in that community." Well, you're copying [laughs] other people's behavior-

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee24:40

      Mm-hmm

   10. BLBruce Lipton24:40

       ... uh, and if [laughs] the people you're copying are, are living a great, wonderful, happy, productive life, well, that's great 'cause you just downloaded that.

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee24:49

       Yeah.

   12. BLBruce Lipton24:49

       Uh, but I'll give an example of my personal life. My mother and father had a dysfunctional relationship. I'm a boy growing up. At that age, I'm watching my father to s- download behavior for the boy, the man. How, how do men do this? I watch my father. Guess what I'm downloading? He was dysfunctional. I downloaded dysfunctional behavior.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee25:10

       Mm.

   14. BLBruce Lipton25:10

       Why is that important? And the answer is, well, I was over 40 years of age and I couldn't get a relationship off the ground. Why? Because 95% of my life was coming from the program I downloaded from my father. I was manifesting dysfunctional relationship unconsciously because when my conscious mind was busy, my father's behavioral program was playing. I couldn't get a relationship off the ground.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee25:36

       I mean, I think people will get this, Bruce, in the sense that I think more and more people now are familiar with the idea that our childhoods-

   16. BLBruce Lipton25:43

       Yes

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee25:44

       ... um, what happens to us when we're children, what trauma we experience or don't experience, how our parents are, you know, the beliefs that we take on, they basically run the rest of our life unless we do something about it, right? So we don't realize it until we have a reason often as adults to go, "Wait a minute. Where, where did I actually get this belief from in the first place? You know, why does this situation always trigger me?" And I think real empowerment comes from when you realize that most situations in life are pretty neutral. It's actually your perception of that situation that determines the impact it has on you. Once you really absorb that concept and own it, your experience of life becomes very, very different. And so I think, you know, I've had Gabor Mate on this show many times before and he talks about our childhoods and how our childhood experiences impact our adult behavior. Many child psychotherapists would, would say a similar thing. So I think I'm just trying to bring that up for people who may be going, "Really? We download programs?" It's like, yeah. You know, you use the word programs, but essentially it's the conditioning we get at that age, isn't it?

   18. BLBruce Lipton27:04

       It's 100%, and this is why kids sen- essentially grow up like their parents. You know, uh, I love it because musicians, the kids of musicians are great musicians, you know? And if you look at the really famous musicians, their children, [laughs] whe- whether it's George Harrison or John Lennon's kids or, or whoever, uh, become great musicians. They say, "Oh, they must have a gene for music." I go, "No, they downloaded the nature of manifesting music and writing and creating by observing their parents do it, and then they can do it." And so there's no gene for being a musician. It's your parents that you were following gave you that program that you can then manifest yourself, okay?

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee27:48

       Mm.

   20. BLBruce Lipton27:49

       Well, that's great if your parents have great, [laughs] great behaviors and you download great behaviors. There's no problem there. But like in my case, just as I mentioned a minute ago, what if my father has this dysfunctional behavior and I download it? Then it becomes my dysfunctional behavior, uh, 95% of the time.

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee28:07

       Unless you do something about it.

   22. BLBruce Lipton28:09

       Ah, yeah.

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee28:10

       Which is the key, right?

   24. BLBruce Lipton28:12

       Yeah.

   25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee28:12

       So I know, I mean, in our first conversation y- you, you touched a bit on self-hypnosis as one way that we can, uh, change these programs.

   26. BLBruce Lipton28:22

       Yes.

   27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee28:23

       Um, I think you also talked about, or maybe we didn't, but I think I wanna talk today about how we can intentionally repeat certain behaviors until they become new habits.

   28. BLBruce Lipton28:33

       Yeah.

   29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee28:34

       But, but f- f- for anyone who at this point is going, "Okay, I get what you're saying, Bruce. I have taken on these beliefs when I was a kid. I have downloaded these programs which are now running my life," if they then say to you, "Bruce, c- can I do anything about that?" What do you say to them?

   30. BLBruce Lipton28:53

       Well, I say yes, but it's sort of like, uh, I mentioned that the subconscious is like the program mind in a hard drive. I say you wanna change the program in a hard drive, you have to go through a process. You have to push a record button. You have to do some special thing to activate the programming, okay?
6. 31:03 – 36:24

   Reprogramming method #2: intention plus repetition to build new default behaviors

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee31:03

      So th- th- this is, this is really empowering, right? So we can maybe come back to self-hypnosis later, right? We did cover it in the first conversation. But the second one about repeating our behaviors consistently. Okay. So I just wanna summarize what I've heard-

   2. BLBruce Lipton31:21

      Yes

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee31:21

      ... to make sure I've got it and make sure everyone's following along. Okay?

   4. BLBruce Lipton31:24

      Yes.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee31:24

      So in the first seven years of our life, and for the three months before we're born, we are downloading certain programs from the world around us, our caregivers. For many of us, it will be our parents, right? Now, that has the most influence or has a major influence on who we are later on in life. But you're saying that we also download programs later, as evidenced by the fact that we learn how to drive. We might learn the piano. We might learn all kinds of new skills, which then become habits, right?

   6. BLBruce Lipton31:59

      Yes.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee32:00

      So that means we are capable of learning new behaviors and skills later on in life, which is empowering.

   8. BLBruce Lipton32:08

      But, but there is a fact i- in learning that. It's not like, oh, one time I got in the car, uh, and then I learned how to drive. I say, no, you had to get in the car and practice how to drive. So it, it's the repetition that should be underscored.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee32:21

      So, so for, for me, I, I think about that through this lens of if we are regularly repeating intentional behaviors or we're regularly repeating behaviors intentionally, with enough repetition and practice, at some point it will go from conscious to unconscious.

   10. BLBruce Lipton32:43

       Absolutely.

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee32:44

       Okay. So one question that I ask myself each morning a- as part of my sort of morning routine is, what quality do I want to showcase to the world today? Okay? And I, I wanna get your opinion on this, Bruce, because, you know, I do this after a meditation when I'm really sort of tuned into myself and I'm trying to, um, intentionally decide how I want to be that day.

   12. BLBruce Lipton33:11

       Yes.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:11

       So often it'll be I wanna show the world the quality of patience or I wanna show the world of quality of compassion. And by setting that intention in the morning, I'm much more likely to exhibit that behavior throughout the day. Or if something happens where, um, you know, I'm tempted to be impatient, I'll be like, "Oh, Rangan, you said this morning you wanna show the world around you the quality of patience." Now, I believe, and I know this to be true in my own life, that by doing that regularly and by repeating it regularly, and of course I'm not perfect, so one of those days where I didn't, by reminding myself that evening and the following morning, "Hey, Rangan, you, you could've been more patient then. You know, next time that happens, try and react in a different way."

   14. BLBruce Lipton33:56

       Yes.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee33:57

       Before you know it, at some point that becomes your default behavior. Now, do you agree with that, and do you think that's a sort of helpful practice for people to do?

   16. BLBruce Lipton34:06

       Well, absolutely, because what are you doing? You're setting up a pra- a practice, a habit, a repetition. And the more you practice it, the more it becomes downloaded as a program. If you just say it once and, uh, and let it go, it's like, uh, a few minutes later you're gonna be back in the old program anyway. But it's the conscious mind that has an opportunity to observe and go, "Wait a minute, I didn't mean that. Oh, wait a minute, I really wanna say this." All of a sudden, ah, then the conscious mind steps in and says, "Let's change the behavior." And if you repeat that change of behavior, that is the second way that programs are installed in the subconscious. I, I just wanna help people for a second, and I wanna help them with this. What are my programs? I go, well, 95% of your life is, uh, is coming from your program. Your life is a printout of your programs. I say, "Well then, how do I know my programs?" And the answer, here it is. The things that you like and you want that come into your life, they come in because you have a program to acknowledge those things. But on the other side, the things that you want and you work hard and you put effort into it and you're sweating over it and, and you, you know, trying to make it, I'm making it work, I'm, I'm m- putting effort into it. I go, "Why are you working so hard for that destination?" And the answer is because your program doesn't support that [laughs] destination and you wanna now override the program. That's what working hard is all about. I'm gonna work harder. I'm gonna override the program. I go, it's not very effective. It's just actually, uh, causes more stress in the end because I, I'm making more effort and I'm not getting there, uh, because that's not how you change the program.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee35:47

       Yeah. There's something so profound there, which I've also experienced, Bruce, which is this idea that these days, honestly, I find putting in health-promoting behaviors into my life, I find it really easy. I didn't use to find it easy. I was trying to overcome.

   18. BLBruce Lipton36:14

       Yes.

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:14

       Yeah? I was trying to do it in conflict with my underlying beliefs, in conflict with the programs.

   20. BLBruce Lipton36:24

       Right.

7. 36:24 – 40:39

   Self-worth programming: how early criticism becomes ‘I’m not lovable’ and self-sabotage

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:24

      Uh, I guess another way of looking at this is- Like if you truly love yourself, right? Not in a narcissistic way, like, but in a really, in a really healthy way that, you know, I like the person who I am. If, if you really feel that way about yourself-

   2. BLBruce Lipton36:41

      Yeah

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:41

      ... which I certainly did not used to-

   4. BLBruce Lipton36:43

      [laughs]

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee36:43

      ... and, and I think many people don't-

   6. BLBruce Lipton36:45

      Let me give you a number on that so you understand. 80 to 90% of all people will not test positive for the belief I love myself, and that's because we've become self-critical of ourselves. Where do we get the critical assessment? Our parents. Parents act like a coach. I say, "What does that mean?" I say, "There, there's a player on the team that's not performing well. The coach doesn't go, 'Oh, please do better.' No, the coach goes up and says, 'That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team.'" I go, "What's the coach doing? Needling, you know, s- pushing on the, on the kid to play better. And the kid being conscious and older is aware of saying, 'Oh, the coach wants me to work harder. The coach wants me to do better.'" I go, "That's cool," and that's what makes the player do better. But when parents act as coaches and the kid is under seven, they're not conscious. They're in record. So I say, "What does that mean?" Well, the parent says, uh, you know, uh, the, the, the child's crying at the store 'cause they want the toy, and the parent wants to get out, so the parent just says, "You don't deserve that toy," and pushes them out of the store. I said, "What did the child learn from that? Download. What was the download? 'I do not deserve.'"

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee37:58

      Mm-hmm.

   8. BLBruce Lipton37:58

      Uh, or, "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You're not lovable."

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:02

      Exactly.

   10. BLBruce Lipton38:02

       I go, "If a child is under seven, they're not consciously understanding what the parent's saying. They're recording what the parent's saying."

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:11

       Uh, yeah, and if you, if you feel that you're not deserving and you're not lovable, well, of course you're going to engage in self-sabotaging behaviors.

   12. BLBruce Lipton38:20

       100%.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:21

       Right?

   14. BLBruce Lipton38:21

       100%.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:21

       You're gonna make change for a bit in January, New Year, you're gonna get on your new plan, but you are gonna go back at some point because you haven't changed the program. And going back to what I was saying before, Bruce, once you truly get to the point of liking who you are, dare I say it, loving who you are, well, someone who loves themself treats themself well.

   16. BLBruce Lipton38:45

       And, and others.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee38:45

       So it's, so your behaviors are naturally going to change because your belief system is I am someone who is deserving. I do like who I am. I want to nourish my body, my mind, my soul, so of course I'm gonna engage in behaviors that do that.

   18. BLBruce Lipton38:59

       Yeah.

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee39:00

       And, and I know it sounds so obvious when you hear it like that, but I think it really is. I think that's why so many people struggle.

   20. BLBruce Lipton39:07

       Uh, 100%. That's why I said 80 to 90% of people will not test positive for I love myself because they were so criticized by parents who thought they were doing a, uh, like the coach. If I criticize you, you're gonna do better. Uh, but they didn't realize if the kid is under seven, they're, they're not consciously putting it all together that, "Oh, I'm supposed to do better." They're just recording, "I'm not good enough, I'm not smart enough, I'm not lovable, I'm not deserving." I say, "That's a program." And I go, "And then what? 95% of your life's coming from the program." If you don't love yourself, here's the problem, nobody else can love you. I go, "What do you mean?" Well, if somebody says, "Oh, I love you, Bruce," and my program is I'm not lovable, I would look at them and go, "Well, you know," my conscious or subconscious mind would go, "Hey, they have no quality control. They can s- they can't see I'm not lovable? I know I'm not lovable. What's wrong with them?"

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:02

       Mm-hmm.

   22. BLBruce Lipton40:02

       And then you will push them away, and then they're not there, and guess what you're gonna say? "See? I'm not lovable. Nobody's here." And I say, "Your own behavior pushed them away because you couldn't accept the love that they were trying to give you." And this is why 50% of these marriages end up in divorce, because if you don't love yourself, then somebody can't say, "I love you," and you buy it.

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:28

       Yeah.

   24. BLBruce Lipton40:28

       You can't buy it.

   25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:30

       Okay, so belief one, which I think you've tackled really well, was this idea that my conscious mind determines what happens in my life. You've just explained why that is not the case.

   26. BLBruce Lipton40:39

       Right.

8. 40:39 – 53:14

   Victimhood vs participation: owning your role, boundaries, and fear-based staying

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:39

      Okay. A second cultural belief-

   2. BLBruce Lipton40:42

      Yes

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee40:43

      ... that I think is really common is this. I am not in control of what happens in my life. How it plays out is down to external circumstances. What do you make of that?

   4. BLBruce Lipton40:57

      Well, this is exactly what we just talked about. If you do not see you are participating in your own failure, then w- where did the failure come from? Just, you know, logically. Oh, I wouldn't have sabotaged myself. Then who sabotaged me? Ah, now we look outside and we start to look at, oh, that person did this to me and that person wasn't nice and this person did that. And all of a sudden you're not, [laughs] you're not giving yourself, uh, the credit of I was creating this because you don't want to acknowledge I created garbage in my life. I created this? No.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee41:32

      Bruce, I think some people at this point may be wanting to push back and going, "Okay, well, I, I get it, right? I get what you're saying about conscious mind versus subconscious mind, but you don't understand my life, right? You don't understand what my boss is like, what my partner is like, what the strains and struggles are in my life. I am a victim to those external circumstances. If those external circumstances changed, I would be different." What do you say to them?

   6. BLBruce Lipton42:01

      I say, no, you're, uh, just like the person who divorces one, one person and then marries a, uh, [laughs] the joke, marry another person, the same but with different colored hair. Uh, e- especially you're gonna repeat the same thing over and over and over again. And, and, and the idea about it is this. You're not acknowledging your own role in the unfolding of your life if you say, "I'm not responsible. Those people did it." And I go, "No, you didn't even hear what you were saying or behaving that they were responding to." They responded to your output and you were the one that didn't even see the output because when you were thinking, the program was playing

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee42:43

      So hold on. Let's really dive in here. Clearly, in life, there are some things that happen that are not that great, right? Let's, for example, if we have a boss that's quite pushy and domineering, that's not a nice place to be in, right?

   8. BLBruce Lipton43:05

      Right.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee43:05

      So let's say, let's, let's use that as an example. Someone's in that situation and they're hearing you say that they're not a victim to that. They don't have to be on the receiving end of that. I, I guess what I'm, what I'm trying to understand from you is this idea that there can be circumstances in life that are not ideal-

   10. BLBruce Lipton43:28

       Yes

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee43:28

       ... that have an impact on us. But at the same time, you're saying that, yes, but it doesn't have to define us. How would you put that?

   12. BLBruce Lipton43:37

       Well, I, I would say the exact same thing, is I, I look at my life and I say, "Geez, I really wanted to be successful here, and look at this boss who's interfering with my life and doing all that." And I go, "How'd you end up there? How did you end up with this boss, a boss who is not supporting you, a boss who's giving you all... How did you end up there? You got the job. You applied for it. You pr- you know, you were the one that got yourself into this position." Then you're in this position and you're going, "Oh, I don't wanna be here." I go, "Yeah, but you were the one that installed yourself in that position. You didn't just get it by accident and all of a sudden, like, a lottery. 'Oh, okay, here's today's your boss.'" No, that didn't how it... That's not how it worked, okay? You have to own that you're a participant in everything that's unfolding. You are a creator in everything that's unfolding. And if you don't like the creation, then we blame the creation for the problem without recognizing we are the creator.

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee44:31

       Yeah. Th- this I've seen very often around the subject of boundaries, right? So people who don't have good boundaries, and I absolutely used to be one of these people, by not being able to put up your own boundaries, you can often find yourself being resentful at other people who you then perceive it, "They're, they're asking too much of me. Like, you know, they're asking me to do this again. They shouldn't be asking me to. They should know." But the problem isn't them. The problem is that we never were able to put up our boundary in the first place that would've then taught that person, "This is what I'm prepared to do. This is what I'm not prepared to do." So we, we blame outside... I guess, for me, the key message from this myth and, and, uh, through the lens of your teachings is that even if there are external circumstances that we don't like, that we would ideally change, we have to also acknowledge that in some form we have also played a role here.

   14. BLBruce Lipton45:32

       Please, that is the most important thing. Do not take yourself out of the program, that, "I'm just a total victim and everything happened to me." I go, "No, you are a participant in what's going on. Uh, uh, and why are you working this job? You don't like it." And then because let's put it maybe in your own mind. "Well, what if I don't have this job? Then where am I? Oh, my God, you know, I won't have anything. So, uh, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna put up with this." Well, that was your choice. Because of the fear of not having the job, you will take on [laughs] all the problems that you're taking on because, what's the alternative if I'm not here? What's the alternative if I find this job sucks? Uh, boss, I hate that boss. I say, "What are you gonna do? You have another job?" "No." "What are you, what are you gonna do? Go, go with no job? Walk out?" "No, I, I have to take care of myself. I got responsibilities. I got a family. I gotta pay for things. I, I, I stay." I say, "You stay knowing this isn't working right." I go, "Why?" Because your fear of getting out of it is greater than staying in it, okay? And this is what the problem is. And it's interesting because I faced this. I fa- I was a tenured faculty member in a medical school. A tenured member means a person who has a job for a lifetime. But I found there was conflict between me and my other fellow researchers because I was off on this new tangent, epigenetics. They weren't there. And at some point I realized, boy, I'm just spinning my wheels. They don't even pay attention to what I'm talking about. And, uh, one day I just said, "That's it." I wa- I went into the chairman's office, gave a letter of resi- resignation. I'm walking out. The fear hit me only about, uh, a minute after [laughs] I walked out of the office, where I realized, "Oh, my God, I just threw away my job." Uh, and I... You know, that moment just hit me 'cause I felt so, like, "Yeah, I don't want this job."

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee47:30

       Mm.

   16. BLBruce Lipton47:31

       The, a minute later it's like, "Oh, my God, I don't have a job." Uh, and it was psychologically very depressing at that moment, but the result was what? I ultimately found what I wanted to do.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee47:44

       Yeah.

   18. BLBruce Lipton47:44

       I found a better way of life. I live a much better life than if I stayed on that job. And in today's world where jobs are falling apart in a lot of places and a lot of people are losing their jobs, guess what? A lot of those people are actually finding work that they want to do versus the one they had to do, and their lives are better-

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee48:05

       Mm

   20. BLBruce Lipton48:05

       ... because they, they found a job that they didn't compromise themselves with.

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee48:10

       Yeah.

   22. BLBruce Lipton48:10

       That's a true story. A lot of people are happier after they lost their job because they found something they'd rather do than put up with the situation.

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee48:19

       I, I've seen that with so many people as well, and they never would've had the courage to leave the job. But they can then look back and go, "That was the best thing that ever happened."

   24. BLBruce Lipton48:28

       Right.

   25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee48:28

       "Because, because if I hadn't been fired, I would never have found this thing which now nourishes me." I guess another way we can look at it is this idea that- Things happen to us. There are things that happen to us that we may not like, that may not be ideal. Yeah, you know what? That is life. That is the way things are. What we do with that is our responsibility

   26. BLBruce Lipton48:53

       Oh my God, you used the, you used the magic word, responsibility. Because people don't want to have responsibility. Why? Because responsibility says then you have to own what's going on, and most people would rather say, "No, I'm a victim of what's going on." Responsibility is a very tough word. You don't wanna use that easily because people will, will look at you and go like, uh, you know, "Wait, go away."

   27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee49:16

       You see, for me, it's the only way to live if you want to thrive in life, if you wanna be happy, if you wanna be healthy. Because you can't actually control external circumstances. All you can actually control is your response to them. So even if you had a rough upbringing, right? Even if your parents didn't do what you would ideally have liked them to do for you, I get it, it's hard. It's difficult, right? But that happened, right? Your only option if you want a better life is to go, "Right from this moment on, I'm gonna take responsibility. I can't change the past, but I can change how I view the future and how I want my life to continue."

   28. BLBruce Lipton50:04

       100%. That's really what it's all about. I mean, this is why... Look, I, I had a job for a lifetime. And I said-

   29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee50:10

       When you were a tenured professor

   30. BLBruce Lipton50:12

       ... I was a tenured professor. And I go, "Yeah, but I'm, my life isn't that good when I'm being a tenured professor. I have to deal with people I don't wanna deal with, and I have to put up with the so-called whatever the BS of the system might be at that moment"
9. 53:14 – 1:03:41

   Busyness, competition, and the ‘Darwinian’ belief: redefining success as harmony and love

   1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:14

      Another cultural belief which I think plays into this is this idea that I think many people hold these days, they certainly behave in a way that is consistent with this, and that belief is this idea that busyness equals success.

   2. BLBruce Lipton53:32

      [laughs]

   3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:33

      Right?

   4. BLBruce Lipton53:34

      No.

   5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee53:34

      I think... Uh, if you... Because if you hold that belief, of course you're gonna overwork, get stressed out, neglect your health, neglect your happiness because you believe that success means that you're busy. So what do you think about that? Is it true?

   6. BLBruce Lipton53:50

      Not for me it's not true. It's... Success is about am I happy? Am I enjoying my life? Do I feel healthy? Do I feel loved? Am I in a community where I live and the, um, and my community is helping and supporting me and I feel safe and secure in this world? And the answer is no. [laughs] Most people don't have that. They just say, uh, uh, "If I work harder, I'll get what I need." Well, this is a, you know, a Darwinian belief that, uh, uh, if you summarize the theory of evolution which is simply this, uh, uh, uh, survival of the fittest in the struggle for life. I said, what does that mean, survival of the fittest? That means competition. Who's the fittest? How do I know if I'm the fittest? How do I know if I'm in a good place or not? And then the answer turns out, well, how successful are you? Meaning, do you have money? Do you have a bank account? Do you own things? Why? Because that's a reflection of the more I own, the more I'm successful. So I'm gonna keep working on this job. Why? Because I'm gonna get more, and as I get more, then my life is gonna get better. And that was the whole belief, that if I work harder and longer and I make more money, then my life is better. And I go, "No, it's not." [laughs] It, it didn't make your life better. Oh, yeah, I got great money, but I'm sick from the job. [laughs] You know, I've lost my relationship from the job. And I go, "Then what was the value of the job?" Oh, well, that was what determined if I'm fit [laughs] and s- will survive. I go, "Nah, nah." You know, uh, uh, it's interesting. Uh, what just came into my mind was, uh, when I was first married, uh, uh, I was way too young. It was... M- I, I wasn't in the right place, okay? And I remember talking to my father, who came from Russia in 19- [laughs] 18 or 19, and I said to him, "I, I, I'm, I'm gonna get a divorce," and he looked at me like, "What?" Uh, and I go, "What do you mean?" He said, "Marriage is a business." I go, "What?" Well, he came from Russia at that time. If you were not married, you didn't have a partner. You didn't have a partner, you wouldn't survive. So a partner, a marriage, wasn't based on love.

   7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee55:55

      Mm.

   8. BLBruce Lipton55:55

      It was based on survival. And so his vision of marriage was, "Yeah, I have a partner. We're working together, okay?" Was there love? Not necessarily, but that's a business. And I thought, "Oh my God, this is not my worldview," because love, to me, was the whole vision. Whether it was self-love, which was first important, which I didn't have and had to acquire.

   9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee56:19

      Mm.

   10. BLBruce Lipton56:19

       Uh, a- and then it's the love of a partner. Why? Because there's the, the nature of community. The foundation of community is first a partner, and then you can expand your community. And evolution is based on community. Evolution is based on support in a community of people or things around you, okay? So all of a sudden I said, wait a minute. Love becomes the most important aspect of our lives. Love is harmony. Love is [laughs] the, the honeymoon. Love is Heaven on Earth, all that, when you're really expressing love. Uh, a- a- and this is what we seek. We seek this out because nature wants us to seek it out. Nature is saying, "Life is based on community, not competition." Uh, and then when you let go of community because I'm competing-

   11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee57:11

       Mm

   12. BLBruce Lipton57:11

       ... I'm gonna do better, I'm gonna get more, I'm gonna have a lot more. I go, "That wasn't the destination. That was a misperception." That's a Darwinian belief that is false. We didn't come here to make more and more. We came here to feel love, to experience love. Love the planet, love yourself, love your community. Love is another word for harmony. [laughs] Are you living in harmony? Are you not living in harmony?

   13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee57:35

       Mm-hmm.

   14. BLBruce Lipton57:35

       That's the basic understanding. If you think, if I work harder and get more money, then harmony will show up, I go, "Nah, that's not true at all." You could waste your whole life. You can make all the money and die a sick person at the end because you n- never even enjoyed your life at that point.

   15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee57:51

       Ma- many of us think that, don't we? We, we think life is about survival and competition rather than cooperation and collective harmony. And it's, it, it's pretty profound, this, because they're almost two different energy states.

   16. BLBruce Lipton58:08

       Yes.

   17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee58:09

       Right? So for the last few years, I've been really thinking a lot about the idea that it's not our behavior that's important. It's the energy behind the behavior, right? W- what is the drive? What is the need that's being met by that behavior? And I think it really, it really speaks beautifully to, to what we've just been talking about or what you've just been talking about. Like, if the energy behind all your daily actions is that it's about competition, it's about survival, it's about dog eat dog, it's, um, a zero-sum game, right?

   18. BLBruce Lipton58:51

       Yeah.

   19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee58:51

       If, if someone else is doing well, it means I'm failing. So I can't have other people doing well. I have to be doing well, right? Sure, you can do the same behaviors, but it's not a helpful energy, right? There's a negativity behind it. There's a constantly looking around your shoulder. What are other people doing? How are they behaving? Whereas once you change and you're able to think about life differently and you start to think about, well, what's good for everyone? How can we cooperate here? How can I be of service? How can I help others? How can I lift people up? You just feel great. Do you know what I mean? You feel great. You don't wanna sabotage yourself with negative behaviors. You just, you look at life differently.

   20. BLBruce Lipton59:34

       Uh, this is 100%, because the idea is this. We call ourselves humans. I said, where does the term humans come from? A- and it came from the fact that we're compassionate. Compassionate about what? Uh, not just our own survival, but helping all those around us, helping the world around us, doing something that is bigger than you to help make a bigger world and a better world. And if you're working from compassion, then you're a, a, a humanitarian. You're a real human. Uh, but if you're working from aggression and competition, that's not helping other people. That's me. I'm here for me. I'm not here for you. This i- this is a disconnect from what is called humanity. Humanity is, by its definition, i- is to, uh, nurture and help the rest of the people and the world at the same time. We are not coming from there. We're coming from I, uh, need to be more than you have. I need it. I want it more than you, and I, I need more, and I need more. And I go, "For what?" [laughs] Because there's some belief that having more is making your life better. When I go, [laughs] having more, you could compromise every aspect of humanity, [laughs] you know, step on the person next to you. Why? Because then I can get more. Where's humanity there? I say, "It doesn't exist anymore." And I said Mammals, by the character of the different pla- you know, we have reptiles, amphibians, and birds, and mammals. Mammals, by definition, are called nurturers. Nurturers. Are you nurturing the world? Are you nurturing your family? Are you nurturing the community that you live in? If you are, that's mammalian, and then we're doing what we're supposed to do.

   21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:01:19

       Yeah. Information is not enough to make change in your life. You have to take action. So to help you take action after watching this video, I've created a free nutrition guide for you. This contains the five most important practices I've seen in over two decades of seeing patients. They work for you no matter what your dietary preference. There's a step-by-step action plan to help you implement those changes in your life. If you wanna receive that free guide right now, just click on the link in the description box below. Do you then fundamentally disagree with the idea of survival of the fittest? Do you think that's wrong?

   22. BLBruce Lipton1:01:59

       Yes, because survival of the fittest says, "Who's the fittest?" I go, "What's the fittest mean?" Well, the one with the most toys? The one with the most money? Does that make them better? I go, "No." [laughs] As a matter of fact, th- they're sucking the life out of everything else to enhance their particular life. We have 1% of the, of the population with all the money. What about the 99%? Well, then they're the losers because they're not the fittest. I go, "Losers?" It's completely wrong. We're, we're each, w- should be winners. Do you need $100 million? Do you need a billion dollars? Go, "No, not at all." You know? E- especially when I walked out of the university and I had no money, did that mean all of a sudden I was, like, in fear and scared and... Uh, uh, I said, "No." I f- I never felt freer than when I walked out the job because all of a sudden I realized now I'm creating. Now I'm doing this. I'm not conforming to what people expected me to be in that particular job. I get to be what I want to be. And then guess what? There's a community of people just like me. I'm now in this other community of what? The community of people sharing and being, you know, supportive of each other and, and loving each other. I'm, I'm finding, my God, the people I associate with today are not the people I associated with 30 or so years ago. I don't even know those people anymore.

   23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:03:26

       Mm.

   24. BLBruce Lipton1:03:26

       I'm in a world, a different community, and the word community is the emphasis what I'm writing about. And our world has lost community because I don't care about you, I care about me. That means no community exists at that moment when people say that.

10. 1:03:41 – 1:18:50

    Inequality, security, and differing belief systems: lessons from India and ‘being happy now’

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:03:41

       Yeah. It, it's interesting. We often hear about the happiness levels in the Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Norway and Finland. And I haven't looked at the data recently to know if that's still the case, but there has been this feeling for a while that one of the reasons some of those countries are considerably happier than many other countries is because their societies are a lot more equal. They're a lot more egalitarian. It's a lot more about we need to make sure everyone together is winning. And I, I remember once chatting to, I think it was a chap from Sweden, and he said something like, you know, even in Sweden, if you have a lot of money, you wouldn't show it. I think culturally they have a different idea, whereas let's contrast that with America and the American dream-

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:04:39

       Yeah.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:39

       Right?

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:04:40

       Yes. W- the ex-Amer- There's no American dream anymore. It's gone. Go ahead.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:43

       Well, my understanding of the American dream-

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:04:45

       Yeah

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:46

       ... and, and hey, listen, I was born and brought up in the UK, so this is purely my understanding-

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:04:50

       Yes. Yeah

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:51

       ... of it, is this idea that you can be whoever and whatever you want to be as long as you work hard.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:04:58

        Right.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:04:59

        And I think like most dreams or most beliefs, there's kind of a good side and a downside. So the good side to me is that, yeah, you know, it encourages you to go, "You know, I can break out. I can actually make something of my life by applying myself."

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:05:13

        Yes.

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:05:14

        I guess the dark side might be if I do that at the cost of everyone around me.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:05:21

        This, this is why w- we have the 1%. The- their mission was, "I don't care about the other people as long as I get my dream. And now I have not a million, now I've got a billion." How many billionaires are there? I said, "How much money do you really need? [laughs] Uh, a billion dollars?" And they're now, "Oh, no, I've got 30 billion. I got 40 billion." I go, "W- where are you getting all this money from?" "Well, I'm taking it out of the system." I said, "Then what does that mean?" Well, then the people that don't have that money, they're struggling harder and harder because you've taken the wealth-

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:05:56

        Mm

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:05:57

        ... out of the system, and try and see if those people down at the bottom can even get a job. Ca- uh, kids graduate from college in the United States and they work at McDonald's. Why? There's no jobs. Everything's failing. The infrastructure's failing. Education is failing. Uh, everything is failing. Why? You can't suck all the money out of the system and expect the poor people to carry the burden-

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:06:23

        Mm

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:06:23

        ... of, of fixing this.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:06:24

        I- if we think about that through the lens of your teachings, Bruce, it strikes me that this idea that we can be the creator of our own lives once we become aware of our subconscious programs and then start to change them, that's gonna be easier for some of us than others.

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:06:48

        Yes.

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:06:48

        Right? So is it fair to say that if you are on the breadline and you are struggling to pay your mortgage, your rent, and feed your family, then your primary ... goal is safety, it's security. So at that moment in your life, is it harder to maybe apply some of these teachings and go, "I can be the creator of my life. I can change things"? Or does it still apply, but in a different way?

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:07:21

        It's, it's very hard to apply that if you live in the fear, "What if I try and strike out on my own?" And I say, "So?" They say, "Well, there's a- I wanna do this 'cause I wanna be more successful. But the fear is, what if I strike out on my own and I don't make it? Then all of a sudden I'm worse off than wherever the heck I was. I'd rather have the job at McDonald's than no job at all."

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:07:42

        Mm.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:07:43

        A- except I'm not even getting enough money to live. And I go, you cannot take the resources out and expect the leftover to support, uh, 90-some percent of the, 99% of the population.

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:07:55

        Mm-hmm.

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:07:55

        It doesn't work. Uh, uh, and again, this is because of the belief system that says, "If I work harder, I deserve it. And if I deserve it, I want it. And therefore I'm gonna work hard." I say, "Where are you getting all this stuff you think you deserve?" "Well, I'm taking it away from the other people because they don't have it." And I go, "And what about the other people? What's your concern?" It's like, "I don't care." That is the problem because that 1% does not care about the poor people.

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:08:22

        Mm-hmm. Yeah. F- for that person then, Bruce, who, who is working in a fast food chain-

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:08:28

        Yeah

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:08:28

        ... right? And they've graduated from college, and they're hearing what you have to say and go, "Well, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Bruce. I get it, that my subconscious patterns are, are running my life," I really want this conversation to be helpful for that person-

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:08:44

        Yes
11. 1:18:50 – 1:29:44

    Fear-based media and the ‘energy checkbook’: choosing inputs that give something back

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:18:50

       Um, you mentioned before fear, that many people are living in a state of fear.

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:18:56

       Yes.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:18:57

       And I, I wanna get to what is fear doing to us? What is stress doing to us? And I guess the belief that might play into that is this idea that I must consume what everyone else around me is consuming. Okay, uh, what I mean by that is- I've realized over the last years that I'm much happier when I frankly don't consume the news, um, don't keep up to date with a lot of what is going on around me, and when I become very intentional about what I put into my mind, whether it be television, online, on social media, whatever it might be. By controlling the inputs, which are mostly fear-based, frankly, these days, I've been happier, calmer, more peaceful, more content, right? So I think many people feel that they've got to be doing what everyone else is doing. I've got to stay up to date with the same movies, the same box sets. I've got to watch the news because everyone else watches the news, and being a citizen of the world means that I have to constantly be aware of things that are happening thousands of thousands of miles away. I appreciate people will have a different perspective on this. But through that lens, and through the lens of fear and stress, what's your take on that belief?

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:20:21

       Well, uh, [laughs] I've done what you were talking about. I don't watch the news anymore. Oh, I'll give you a simple reason. It's this. Life is based on energy. That's a simple fact. You got energy, you got life. You have no energy, you don't have any life. People spend their energy without realizing they're not getting anything back from what they're doing. Uh, uh, and I say, "You know, look, you have a checkbook. You have an account. What's the money? The money is energy. The money, the more money you have, the more energy you essentially, you have to create what you want." So I say, "If you have a checkbook, tell me, do you just write a check for people and give them money for no reason at all, you know? Uh, Dr. Chatterjee, uh, I- I- I- I love how you do your job. I'm gonna give you 100 bucks. You can have that." I say, "Why would I do that?" Uh, uh, and they say, "Well, because I, I like what he does." I go, "Yeah, but you've just taken your energy, which is life, and given it away. What did you get back from this?" And all of a sudden I started to realize, what if you had a checkbook of spending your life energy? In other words, energy is life, and if you use your energy, uh, uh-

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:21:30

       Mm

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:21:30

       ... and give it away, then you're compromising your life.

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:21:33

       Mm.

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:21:33

       I say, if you had to write a, a, a check for your I'm gonna invest my energy here, the first thing you would think about if you actually had to write a check is, what am I getting by u- using this energy? And you start to realize, well, wait, I'm using a lot of energy, but I'm not getting anything back. I or my family or my community is not gonna get anything back by my spending this energy. Example, two guys are in a, a bar. They get involved, uh, in an argument over politics. They get heated. They use energy. They're all excited, blah, blah, blah. They get angry. They do all this stuff. And then when the argument's finished, they go their own way, and I say, "So what, what, what did you do? What, what did you get? You spent a lot of energy to do this." Getting hot is actually, heat is wasted energy in physics. Getting hot over all this is meaning you're just wasting your energy. I say, "What did you accomplish?" Nothing. Why? Did you change the world? No. Did you change the other person? No. I say, "Then what did you do? You spent your energy with no return." So then I say, well, wait a minute. If I had to write a check w- investing my energy, I would then say, "Well, what do I get back from this?" So I say, what do I get back from watching the news? Do, do I get any say in this? Do, does anybody call me up and say, "What do you wanna do about this news article?" No, no. I read the news article. It takes my energy. I feel, you know, I, my nervous anxiety about all the world's and all this trouble. Did anybody ask me? Did I change that world? No. Then why the hell am I paying attention to it? Because all I'm gonna do is give my energy up in anxiety and emotion over all this stuff. I get nothing back.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:23:24

       Mm.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:23:25

        And there's a point then I say, well, wait. If you had to write your energy check, then guess what? You would be very cautious about how you spend your life. You'd be very careful about, I'm going to invest my life in something that gives me something back, my family or my community-

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:23:40

        Mm

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:23:40

        ... gets something what I do. And all of a sudden it says, well, then there's so many things, like watching the news, that takes your energy. It didn't give you anything. It just sucked your energy out. How many different things suck-

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:23:54

        Yeah

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:23:54

        ... your energy out? I go, all of a sudden it says, that's what I started to look at one day when I realized, am I giving away my life energy without any return? And then when I started to realize, it's like, wow, uh, if I didn't do that, I could've used this energy for having fun. I could've used-

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:12

        Mm

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:24:12

        ... this energy to enjoy my community. I could've used this energy to help my community.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:17

        Yeah, it's, it's, it's such a good point, Bruce, which I, I don't think people think about enough, right? So let's take that example there of the people having an argument, a heated row about politics.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:24:29

        Yes.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:24:29

        And then you ask them, you know, "What, what did, you know, did you feel better? Did anything change?" No, no, no. It, it's not only a waste of energy, although of course that's huge, it's also the fact that they've dysregulated themselves and their nervous system, and therefore they will compensate with unhelpful behaviors, right? They have to dissipate that emotional stress in some way or another, and usually the way people will do that is with an argument, is with alcohol. It's with sugar. It's with staying online too long, mindlessly scrolling, right? So it's not a neutral occurrence.

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:25:10

        No.

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:11

        It's, it's, it's, you, you have to do something with that. So I think that's one aspect that I think is really important. The other aspect for me- So I really think about this, you know, how do you change the world? How do you help create a happier, healthier world? And I think it goes back to what you're saying, which is, well, I always think about it through the lens of what Gandhi said, which is, you know, or it's certainly attributed to him, "Be the change you want to see in the world."

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:25:42

        Yes.

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:25:43

        I try and live my life according to that because it feels very empowering. So for me, for example, if I'm not consuming negativity, I'm in a better state of mind. I see the world through a more positive lens. And then, for example, when I come on the mics on this show, I've got a positive, upbeat tone that's hopefully inspiring, that hopefully encourages other people to make change, right? So I believe that, you know, an interaction like this, when it spreads out to many people, can start to create change because you're empowering individuals to look at the world differently. Hey guys, I really hope you're finding this useful. If you are and you want more content like it, please do check out my book, Make Change That Lasts, nine simple ways to break free from the habits that are holding you back. It's in all the usual places as a paperback ebook, and as an audiobook, which I'm narrating. Now, back to the video.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:26:44

        You're putting your energy in to make the world look different. Now, that is what we're looking for. Why? Because we want to bring back the nature of that community, that harmony, the garden that we used to live in.

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:26:55

        Mm-hmm.

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:26:55

        Okay? And that anything we do in that level is enhancing all of humanity. And then I said, "Well, now you're being the human that we were talking about."

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:27:05

        Mm-hmm.

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:27:05

        Where you are helping the world. And that means that energy that you're using comes back to you. I give a lecture, I use a lot of energy. But guess what? The audience receives that energy and gives me the energy back. I can lecture for five, six hours, walk off the stage with as much energy as I walked onto the stage with. And why? There's an energy exchange, and it happens in a community of people, and that's what keeps you alive.

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:27:34

        Yeah.

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:27:35

        Uh, uh, and that's why we can even go back to the, the poor kids in India. W- where are they getting their energy from? From the, the love of the people around them. Did it... How much did it cost? No, they didn't have any money. They didn't pay for, for, for love. It was part of the... That's the nature of the community we live in. Is that the nature of my community in the United States? I go, "No." My community in the United States is dog eat dog, Darwinian. Who's gonna win? Who's gonna lose? I'm sorry, you're a loser. Uh, you can't get healthcare. I'm sorry, that's your problem. I go, "Wow," you know? Uh, uh-
12. 1:29:44 – 1:36:58

    Aging, retirement, and ‘use it or lose it’: beliefs that expand or contract life

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:29:44

       Bruce, you mentioned that you can finish a talk and have as much, if not more energy-

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:29:50

       Yes

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:29:50

       ... than when you started.

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:29:51

       Yes.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:29:51

       This is fascinating for me. You were speaking in Manchester last night-

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:29:56

       Yes

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:29:56

       ... okay? For two, two and a half hours. We're talking today. Tomorrow you're gonna be in London talking for five hours.

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:30:02

       Yes.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:03

       And you shared with me this morning that you are almost 80 years old.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:30:09

        Yeah.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:09

        Okay. Most people in society, I would say, have a belief that at the age of 80, you're not going to be traveling around the world, dealing with jet lag, being cognitively sharp, giving keynotes in front of thousands of people to share your wisdom, right? Again, a societal belief.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:30:32

        Yes.

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:32

        A belief that as you get older, you have to be slower, cognitively less able. You know, you have to start contracting your life. You're clearly an example of someone who is not doing that. You seem just as energetic and as sharp to me as two years ago when I think we spoke in London.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:30:53

        Yeah. Yes.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:30:53

        Right? And it's interesting because anti-aging and longevity is like the hot topic in health these days. I'd love your perspective on this. What do you think of longevity, and what do you think about this belief that as we get older, our life has to contract?

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:31:12

        Well, since life is based on belief, if you start buying the belief, "I'm getting too old to do something," and, uh, you hear people say, "Oh, I'm too old to do that." I say, w- when you just said that, you've committed yourself to being aged at that point.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:31:25

        Mm-hmm.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:31:25

        "I can't do it. I'm too old." You just admit- admitted that. I, I'm not ready to admit that. Why? That's not my belief system. My belief system is I get life from engaging. I get life from helping. That's my... I, I, I want to be that helping guy. I wanna be up there and say, "You can have a better life. Let me show you. Let me give you the science of how to do this." And, and then the, the idea is when people buy this, their energy increases. But then when their energy increases-

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:31:56

        Mm-hmm

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:31:56

        ... then the field I'm standing in, all of a sudden the energy of the field is increased. Everybody in the room feels higher and happier just because they were sharing all this information. Where is aging? Well, aging is a belief system. I say, "What?" Wait. When you grew up, you saw there were young people, and then you saw that people got older, and then you saw some very old people. What did you learn, program, remember programming first seven years? Oh, people get old, and then they fall apart, and then they're dead. I go, "Well, that's a belief [laughs] that you bought."

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:32:29

        Yeah.

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:32:30

        Does it have to be that way? And the answer is no. You know? A- a- a- a- a simple reality is if I buy the belief and then I say, "Oh my God, I'm 80. I'm one of those guys. I should be falling apart right now. I shouldn't even be here. I should be sitting in a chair in my backyard, you know, uh, staring at the landscape," and it's like, no.

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:32:49

        Yeah.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:32:49

        Life, life is energy. I'm not giving up the energy. I love the energy because I get the, the energy back, and the energy I get back is not conflict. It's love energy. "Hey, Bruce, thanks for giving me the power that I didn't know I had."

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:33:06

        Yeah.

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:33:07

        And all of a sudden it's like, oh, wow, uh, I get gifted with their energy. And the idea is I am not of the mindset of, oh, I've reached a certain age and now I'm falling apart. No way.

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:33:19

        [laughs]

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:33:20

        There- there's, there's a profound understanding of biology. It's called use it or lose it.

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:33:27

        Mm-hmm.

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:33:27

        I go, "What's the point?" And the point is every part of your biology is based on use or lose it. We always think, oh, the muscles. I work real hard, I build up these muscles, and then all of a sudden I'm not using them, then the muscles disappear. I go, "No, use or lose it is every part of your entire body."
13. 1:36:58 – 1:43:54

    Morning and night ‘doors’ to the subconscious: gratitude, intention, and the reality of thought power

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:36:58

       you came on, Bruce, you spoke about the evening because I think we spoke about these two ways or two of the ways that we can change these programs. One was with self-hypnosis-

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:37:11

       Yes

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:37:12

       ... and one was, as we've already mentioned today, with repeating these behaviors consistently until they become habits.

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:37:18

       Yes.

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:37:19

       Right? And you spoke about you can run these programs with earphones as you fall into sleep and, and actually get that programmed into your mind-

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:37:29

       Yeah

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:37:29

       ... which is really, really interesting, and I encourage people to go back and listen to that if they wanna hear more about that. What about the morning time? You know, when you wake up first thing in the morning- Is there an opportunity there with the state of our brain to start downloading new programs and living a different kind of life?

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:37:50

       Well, I, I think the, the, the opportunity to wake up in the morning is very important because, uh, uh, uh, pr- people who don't really like their job, I say, when they wake up in the morning, what are they thinking? "Oh my God, I gotta go back to... I hate this job. I gotta go do this job." Why can't you wake up with, "Today's gonna be the best day ever. Today, I'm looking forward. It's gonna be exciting." I have no idea what's gonna unfold, I truly don't, but I don't look at what negative things. I have... I... There are no negative perceptions that I'm broadcasting to myself at all. Why? Because [coughs] what you put out is what's gonna come back. It's called resonant. If I put out a negative belief, I'm gonna respond with a negative experience. If I put out a positive belief, I'm gonna respond with a positive experience. And I say, what's the average person's, uh, you know, when they wake up? Most of it is, "Oh, God, I gotta go to the job. Oh, God, today's not gonna be great. Oh, God, there's a problem here. There's a problem there." I say, "If that's your first thought in the morning, the rest of the day is, i-i- is not gonna get better for you." So what if you wake up with, "Hey, I'm here another day. That's what I wake... I'm still alive. Okay, what's gonna happen? I don't know, but I'm going out, and I'm gonna find out, and I'm gonna look for the wonderful things, and then they show up." I have to admit, [laughs] first 40-plus years, that was not my life at all. You know? Uh, uh, and now since that, that 40, this 40 is completely different. This 40, I wake up with the joy of being here on this planet, and then find during the day how many people encourage and support my belief for the rest of that day.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:39:28

       What, what happens when you have a bad night's sleep, if you have a bad night's sleep, out there, and you wake up feeling tired and groggy? Do you have to intentionally implement that belief? I, I, I guess what I'm trying to get to, some people say, is, is that a form of toxic positivity where you're not being realistic about the world, you're just imagining everything's great, which is, which is something that people will often say these days.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:39:53

        Yeah.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:39:53

        So how, how do you see that?

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:39:56

        I, I just basically... Look, if you understand the nature of the biology that I'm involved with and the nature of how consciousness is manifesting our experience and, uh, uh, uh... Oh, that sounds so new age-y. And I go, "Well, first of all, let's understand this. The first principle of quantum physics is consciousness is creating our life experience. Okay?" I go, "Well, yeah, that's a true story." So I say, "Well, then, how are your life experience?" I say, "It's based on my consciousness." I say, "Then do I wake up, even if I'm tired, do I wake up and say, 'Oh, God, the rest of the day is... Oh, I'm so tired, I'm gonna have a problem'? Why? Because then my consciousness would manifest that experience." Consciousness controls your life, not your genes. Consciousness. And the issue is we live in a world that's so threatening for so many people that when they wake up, it's not because, "Oh, I'm so joyous to be here."

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:40:48

        Mm.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:40:48

        It's like, "What's my next thing? What do I gotta do? Where, you know, where is this responsibility? Oh, my God, I gotta do all this stuff." I go, "How can the rest of your day get better if the first thing you're talking about is you didn't even wanna be there [laughs] on the first time when you woke up?" It doesn't get better. You then live that, "Yeah, I knew it. When I got up this morning, it wasn't gonna be good, and guess what? It's not good." And I go, "That's not chance. That's, that's physics." [laughs] You, you started with a negative, you manifest negative. That is physics. And the biology that I was involved with is the mechanism by which that brain thought translates into biology and genetics. So the, the interesting part is I understood the physics, and when I understood the nature of the cells and how it worked, I said, "Oh, my God, uh, the, the physics idea is manifest through how consciousness is controlling our genetics and that our behavior." And all of a sudden, it's what they said. Consciousness is creating this life experience. And all of a sudden it says, well, then what the hell is your consciousness? What do you think about your life in this world at this moment? Do you look at it as like, "Hey, it's... Hey, it's wonderful. I love to be here on this planet." Or do you go, "Oh, God, today is another struggle. Today I gotta do this, and I gotta accomplish that." And all of a sudden it's like, where's the motivation? Where's the desire when you start off with, "Oh, oh, it's not so good." I go, you lost it.

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:42:18

        Yeah.

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:42:19

        A- a- and if you wake up with that, that is programming the rest of that day.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:42:24

        Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's such a powerful idea that it's not toxic positivity at all. It's basically being intentional about how you want your life to be, right? So it really speaks to the idea of an intentional morning routine, of a practice of gratitude first thing in the morning.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:42:42

        Yes.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:42:42

        If you look for things to be grateful for first thing in the morning, you've primed your brain to look for that for the rest of the day.

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:42:51

        And I'm broadcasting a vibrational frequency. People... You see, there's one other mistake that people have, and they say, "Oh, my thoughts are in my head." And I go, "Well, that's a misunderstanding, because I can read your brain activity with a probe outside of your head." Uh, a s- electroencephalograph is where you put wires on a person's head and you can read their brain function. Magnetoencephalograph, a newer version, the probe that reads your brain activity doesn't even touch your head. It's away from your head.

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:43:22

        I mean, that for, for people is gonna be, I think, brand-new information. So they're used to an EEG if going to hospital, getting wired up with that.

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:43:30

        Yeah.

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:43:30

        You know, but the wires are on your head. They're on your scalp.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:43:33

        Yeah. So you think that w- it's reading what's inside.

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:43:36

        But you're saying something can read it from the outside.

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:43:38

        The newer device is not EEG. It's called MEG.

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:43:42

        Yeah.

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:43:42

        Magneto instead of electroencephalograph, and the probe that reads your brain, it reads it just like electroencephalograph, but the magnetoencephalograph probe doesn't even touch you. It's outside.

14. 1:43:54 – 1:54:48

    Energy fields, intuition, and environment: reading ‘vibes,’ feng shui, and supportive spaces

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:43:54

       Is this why, Bruce, that if you go into a room And two people have been arguing, but the argument has finished.

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:44:01

       Yeah.

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:44:01

       Right? So there's no words being spoken anymore. You can pick up on the energy, right? You, you know that. You know when you've walked into a room when something's just gone down-

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:44:11

       Yeah

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:44:11

       ... even if it's not going down anymore, right? So what is that? Like, how do you explain that energy that we can pick up on?

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:44:20

       Because the first thing is this, the biology is based... The first thing of... The first communication of biology with the most primitive organism on this planet is to read energy. In other words, since energy is life, since energy is life-

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:44:36

       Yeah

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:44:36

       ... okay, uh, then reading energy becomes very important because if you're reading that energy as being sucked away from you, then you don't wanna be there because that means you're losing your life. And so primitive organisms always read the field. Are they in the right place, okay? Uh, energy determines our field. It's like feng shui. In quantum physics, every object is actually energy. Well, if you surround yourself like a crystal with different objects with energy that supports you, then you enhance your, your energy field, okay? Uh, so everything around you is giving off energy, and then you find yourself reading the energy of wherever you go. But this is vital for survival for all organisms except for us, because all organisms, they don't use language. How do they know if they're in the right place or the wrong place? They only read the energy. A- a- a- a- and we do that, but we were programmed generally as kids, "Oh, don't go by your feelings," which is an expression of energy. "Don't go by your feelings. Listen to what somebody has to say." I say, oh my God, you lost your power. Why? I can say any damn thing I want [laughs] . But energy is energy.

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:45:46

       Yeah.

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:45:46

        A- a- a- and if you walked into that room where the energy was now just broadcast through that room, you walk in, you're a receiver of that broadcast. Energy is what you read. That's natural.

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:45:58

        Yeah.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:45:58

        And, and, and the idea is if you were actually reading the energy of everything, you would never find yourself in the wrong place because you would realize, oh, bad vibes. Bad... Don't go there. Bad vibes means loss of energy. Good vibes, oh, enhancing energy. This is how organisms that are not human determine where they're going.

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:18

        Trusting their gut, trusting their intuition.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:46:20

        That's all they know is-

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:21

        Yeah

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:46:21

        ... i- is the energy. Is it good or bad?

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:24

        Whereas we let our heads get in the way. Often it can help us, but it can also get in the way depending on what we're thinking.

    18. BLBruce Lipton1:46:31

        Absolutely. You've lost the, you've lost the information in the field by not paying attention to the energy because then, you know, um, programming-wise, we've been programmed to not feel that energy, not to go by a feeling.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:44

        You mentioned feng shui.

    20. BLBruce Lipton1:46:45

        Yeah.

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:47

        And I've always wanted to, you know, I could probably get an expert in feng shui round to see how things are orientated in my house.

    22. BLBruce Lipton1:46:57

        Yeah.

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:46:58

        Right? I've never done it, but I guess for anyone who's skeptical, I think we all know, like, if you in our, in your bedroom, move the bed to have a different orientation, it might just feel off. Now, that could... You, you know, you could argue that's because you're used to it a certain way, but I- I don't think it's that. I think, you know, y- you like your sofa a certain way in your living room, and if you move it around after a while, like, eh, it just doesn't feel right there. It needs to be there.

    24. BLBruce Lipton1:47:27

        Right.

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:47:28

        So I, I guess we, we kind of intuitively know that, but the Western rational scientific mind is more likely to go, "That's a load of rubbish," right?

    26. BLBruce Lipton1:47:41

        No, I'm not-

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:47:41

        A sofa is a sofa.

    28. BLBruce Lipton1:47:41

        I, I just-

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:47:42

        A bed is a bed

    30. BLBruce Lipton1:47:42

        ... put whatever, and I go, no, but that's not true. You decorate your house. As you just said, you put pictures on the wall that are in harmony with you. You put the furniture in that's in harmony with you. You set it up all around.
15. 1:54:48 – 2:05:06

    Closing messages: define what you want, question ‘truth providers,’ and recognize belief-driven outcomes

    1. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:54:48

       ... you've been speaking about these themes for decades now, okay? All over the world. For someone who is struggling in their life and doesn't know how to change things, what are some of your top key messages that you've learnt over the past few decades that you wanna impart to them?

    2. BLBruce Lipton1:55:17

       Well, I think the first thing is stop accepting life the way it is, as that's the way it is, and I'm just part of whatever it is, and I'm a victim, and I have no control, and, uh, I just have to live the best I can under the circumstance. I say, "No, that's not the way to live." [laughs] The way to live is, what do you want? And that's where also I say it becomes a problem for a lot of people, because they can't even tell you what they want, but they know it's not what they have. And I go, "Well, th- this is a problem." If you don't even know what you want, if you cannot write down right now on a piece of paper, "This is what I want," if you can't list them, "This is what I want," then you can't have it, because your mind will get for you what you want, but you have to feed it a, a vision of what you're looking for. Uh, it's always interesting because the function of the mind is to make coherence between your belief and your reality. If, if I believe it's not gonna work, then the function of the mind will manifest in a s- a situation where it doesn't work. If I totally believe this is how it's gonna work, then my mind will sit- set me up in a situation where it works that way. And all of a sudden, that's when you start to realize, wait a minute, it's not chance anymore. This isn't chance. This is creativity, and we are creators. And, a- a- and people have just accepted when it doesn't work, that's just the way it is. I go, "I don't accept that. I will, I will do something different. I will get out." A- a- and again, "Well, but if I get out, then I've lost my security." And I go, "You may have lost your security, but you may gain happiness." [laughs] You may gain-

    3. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:57:01

       Mm

    4. BLBruce Lipton1:57:01

       ... the joy of being alive. The idea is, my God, this is the... You know, if you look at the world in which we live, it's so beautiful. How many people, how many people out here right now watch the sunset? I get most of you are probably in the car driving home from your job. You don't even see the sunset. When I used to live in the Caribbean, that was the major part of the day. Everybody at sunset would come out and sit on the beach-

    5. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:57:26

       Mm

    6. BLBruce Lipton1:57:26

       ... and watch the sun go down. It, it was like, you know, an experience of the planet and closure and all that. Today, you're running from here, you're running to there. You're not paying attention to where you are, why you are. You're, you're just following some un- unknown plan that is a plan. It's not an accident why you are here or why you are there. You set yourself up to be here or there. And then you say, "Yeah, but I don't wanna be here," and I go, "Well, that's your conscious mind, the one that has the wishes and desires."

    7. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:57:57

       Mm.

    8. BLBruce Lipton1:57:57

       "Well, look," I say, "no, this is not my desire." I go, "Then why are you there?" The answer is, "Because you're not living from that one. You're living from the program that says, 'Oh, yeah, you must do this. This is the way we always do things.'" And then you find yourself doing it-

    9. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:58:11

       Mm

    10. BLBruce Lipton1:58:11

        ... and going, "Why am I here?" A- and you don't realize it, 'cause the conscious mind is the one with the wishes and desires. Then how come we don't manifest the wishes and desires?

    11. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:58:21

        Mm.

    12. BLBruce Lipton1:58:21

        And the answer is, that's not the mind we're operating from. You're operating from the program. And I say, "Where'd you get the program?" Not from you. You downloaded it from other people. You downloaded it from school, teachers. You downloaded it from clergy. You downloaded it from the doctor. The doctor, um... I'll give you an example, and this is very critical. It's very important. When we're in that developmental period, the first seven years, the average family, I say, "If somebody's sick in your family, what do we do?" And we say, "Oh, we go to the doctor," average family. I say, "And you're a kid in the family." I say, "What did you learn?" He says, " [gasps] When it comes to health, I'm not the one that does that. My doctor does it." I say, "So then what did you do with that belief system?" You say, "Since I have no knowledge of my health, and the doctor has the knowledge, then the doctor is the one that provides me with truth."

    13. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:59:17

        Mm-hmm.

    14. BLBruce Lipton1:59:17

        So then all of a sudden, then you give up your power of true and take the words of the doctor. I say, "What does that mean?" Well, what if the doctor says you have three months left to live, and you buy that? Because why? The doctor knows. I don't know. I'm just a patient. What the heck do I know?

    15. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee1:59:33

        Mm-hmm.

    16. BLBruce Lipton1:59:33

        Oh, I got three months left to live. What do you think your brain does? That is the truth. What's the function of the brain? Take your truth and manifest it as reality. If I believe I'm gonna die in three months because I was told by my truth provider, then I will die in approximately three months. Placebo is you have an illness. Doctor says, "I got the greatest new medicine." You believe it. Why? The doctor's the truth provider. You take this medicine with the ideas, oh my God, this is the new medicine. This is the one that's gonna heal me. And you get better. And then you find out the pill was a sugar pill, a placebo. The point I ask is, then what healed you? The sugar pill? No. Your belief in the pill healed you, not the pill. And everybody goes, "Oh, yeah, placebo effect." That's positive thinking manifesting itself.

    17. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:00:28

        Mm-hmm.

    18. BLBruce Lipton2:00:29

        I go, "That's great." Now, here comes the part that's left out. What about negative thinking? Nobody talks about negative thinking. We only talk about positive thinking. Guess what? Negative thinking is equally powerful in controlling your life as is positive thinking, but in the opposite direction. And we never talk about negative thinking, although the majority of our thoughts are negative.

    19. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:00:52

        Yeah.

    20. BLBruce Lipton2:00:53

        And I say, "Well, if you have negative thinking and you create a negative reality, then you're living in it." Uh, and the idea was, what was it based on? My thoughts. Did I wake up with positive thinking? Today is another beautiful day. I have no idea what's gonna happen, but it's gonna be great. Or did you wake up with, "Oh, God, here I go. I gotta go do this. This is my... Oh, I gotta do these things. I'm not real happy about it." I go, "That's two different days- [laughs]

    21. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:01:18

        Mm

    22. BLBruce Lipton2:01:18

        ... right away." A- and the idea was we discount negative thinking because nobody mentions that it is as powerful as positive thinking. Genes are responsible for less than 1%-

    23. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:01:31

        Mm

    24. BLBruce Lipton2:01:31

        ... of all illness. And yet everybody thinks, oh, my illness is due to these genes and these genes, and I'm a victim of my genes. I go, "No, you're not. [laughs] You're the creator-

    25. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:01:40

        Yeah

    26. BLBruce Lipton2:01:40

        ... of your genetic activity."

    27. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:01:41

        Yeah. Hopefully, there's been a realization over the past few years that genes are not your destiny. Yes, you may have a genetic predisposition, but it doesn't mean you're necessarily gonna get that condition if things in your environment, food, physical activity, um-

    28. BLBruce Lipton2:02:00

        Consciousness. Put consciousness in there.

    29. RCDr. Rangan Chatterjee2:02:02

        Yeah, thoughts.

    30. BLBruce Lipton2:02:03

        Yes!

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