Simon Sinek and Trevor Noah on the Quality More Leaders Need To Talk About | Full Conversation

1. 0:00 – 1:20

   Introduction

   1. TNTrevor Noah0:00

      Good afternoon, everybody. How you doing? Thank you, Gail. One person. [laughs]

   2. SSSimon Sinek0:05

      [laughs]

   3. TNTrevor Noah0:06

      It's funny, when you greet a Swedish crowd, they just look at you. And then Gail, clearly we've been to Black church.

   4. SSSimon Sinek0:12

      [laughs]

   5. TNTrevor Noah0:12

      You greeted me back. I appreciate that.

   6. SSSimon Sinek0:13

      You know the joke about, um, Swedish, when you meet a Swedish person, the difference between a Swedish introvert and a Swedish extrovert?

   7. TNTrevor Noah0:19

      No.

   8. SSSimon Sinek0:19

      Do you know this one? When you meet a Swedish introvert, when they're talking to you, they look at their, your sh- their shoes. And when you meet a Swedish extrovert, when they talk to you, they look at your shoes.

   9. TNTrevor Noah0:27

      Oh, I like that.

   10. SSSimon Sinek0:28

       Yeah.

   11. TNTrevor Noah0:29

       I hope you like that.

   12. SSSimon Sinek0:30

       [laughs]

   13. TNTrevor Noah0:30

       I didn't say anything about Swedish people, he did.

   14. SSSimon Sinek0:32

       [laughs]

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:32

       Um, welcome, everyone. Um, uh, this is, uh, the final conversation. A lot of people have asked me what we're talking about. Um, uh, you know, they'll be like, "Who's moderating? Who's not moderating?" Uh, I'll try to frame a little bit of this for you really quickly. Anastasia asked us to sort of try and synthesize, I guess, the time we've spent here together. Um, and so technically we'll say I'm moderating, because this man's brilliant and I ride with him. Um, so Simon, I'm gonna give you the difficult task of kicking us off. Y- you know, I'll, I'll set it up by saying this, kind is a really broad word. Kindness is even broader. After the days we've spent here together, where do you think Simon is versus where he was before we

2. 1:20 – 4:15

   How to receive kindness

   1. TNTrevor Noah1:20

      got here?

   2. SSSimon Sinek1:22

      W- we've heard a lot about acts of kindness and kindness being given, and I think there's, there are two thoughts come to mind. Um, um, what about kindness being received as well? Um, that we, we heard about from Yunomi, for example, fleeing North Korea, the kindness being received. And I think kindness being received is a more emotionally overwhelming experience than kindness being given. Kindness being given, we talk about it's good to be kind, it's nice to be kind, but how many of us are actually adept at receiving kindness? I think some of us are embarrassed by it. Some of us are, don't know how to react to it.

   3. TNTrevor Noah1:58

      Mm.

   4. SSSimon Sinek1:59

      Um, and I have, what I'm s- processing is one of the acts of kindness is to receive kindness. Uh, when somebody gives you a gift and you say, "No, no, no." And they say, "But I bought this for you." And you say, and they... "No, no, no." It becomes rude to reject the gift at some point. And at the end of the day, to simply say, "Thank you, thank you," makes the other person feel good. So even if you're uncomfortable by the compliment, the gift, what- the, the, the act of kindness, the act of warmth, the act of generosity, the greater... There's a great act of kindness in the reception of kindness as well.

   5. TNTrevor Noah2:35

      Mm.

   6. SSSimon Sinek2:35

      Because what kindness is is community. It's the forming, it's the foundation of community. And so we have to remember community is both ways. I define community as a group of people who agree to grow together. And so if we agree to grow together, that means kindness must beget kindness must beget kindness, and this is where trust comes.

   7. TNTrevor Noah2:52

      I like that. So are you... It's an interesting idea, you know, kindness being harder to receive. Is there an element of people being uncomfortable in and around kindness then?

   8. SSSimon Sinek3:06

      I think, uh, we a- I think we also... S- I think superficial kindness we understand. Be nice to someone, say thank you, be polite, pay them a compliment.

   9. TNTrevor Noah3:15

      Yeah.

   10. SSSimon Sinek3:15

       I think we all get that.

   11. TNTrevor Noah3:16

       Yeah.

   12. SSSimon Sinek3:16

       Right? And I think we can all be a little more kind, and that's usually where our minds go, you know? But I think kindness includes discomfort, and I think the most difficult kind of kindness is the m- is the uncomfortable kind of kindness. So for example, um, somebody you know suffers some sort of tragedy. They lose someone close to them in an untimely fashion, they lose their job, whatever it is. And so many times we do nothing because we don't want to say the wrong thing, do the wrong thing.

   13. TNTrevor Noah3:45

       Yeah.

   14. SSSimon Sinek3:45

       And sometimes we do say and do the wrong thing, and it does trigger someone.

   15. TNTrevor Noah3:47

       Yeah.

   16. SSSimon Sinek3:48

       And so I think there's something about saying, "I don't know what to do," but I think it's right to do something, and to lean into, into trying to be kind, not knowing how it's going to be received, but it's the right thing to do, I think is the most difficult act of kindness. Because when someone is suffering, so often what we do is we leave them alone, which is not an act of kindness. Um, I'll, I'll tell you a personal experience that,

3. 4:15 – 6:45

   When to give space, when to move forward

   1. SSSimon Sinek4:15

      that, that, that, that really captures this. I did some work with the US Air Force. I'll spare you the long story, but I went to Afghanistan with them and I was there to witness them doing their missions, and it was an amazing experience. I was, uh, you know, in, in, at Bagram Air Base, and something happened that none of us expected. Me and my two escorts, we flew home with a flag-draped casket on a big military transport plane. So I slept next to this casket for nine and a half hours. I didn't do much sleeping, but I lay next to it. And it was a profound experience that profoundly, you know, changed my life. It changed my perspective on the world. And the deal I made with the Air Force was they would send me into this war zone to o- observe, and I would come back and report what I saw. And so about a week after the event, I went to Scott Air Force Base in Illinois and I stood on the stage with all of the generals and the colonels, and I was telling them about my experience and offering some ideas. And then I get to this point in the story about coming home with this flag-draped casket. The emotion's still very raw. And what go... I go quiet, and what's going through my mind is, "Do I talk about this?" So first decision was, yes, I'll tell the story. And midway through the story, I get stuck. I start welling up. The emotions are overwhelming, and I c- I can't go on. I can't move forwards. Now, if this had happened to me in the private sector, and it, it's happened, um, where I get emotional on the stage, invariably someone will say, "It's okay."

   2. TNTrevor Noah5:45

      Yeah.

   3. SSSimon Sinek5:45

      "Take your time. Take your time. We'll wait for you." Right? As if to say, "You over there." And I was standing on the stage unable to speak, and one voice, it was the commanding general, the four star, at the back of the room, he said, "Go on." As if to say, "Go on, we are with you. You are safe."

   4. TNTrevor Noah6:07

      Mm.

   5. SSSimon Sinek6:07

      I, I choke up talking about it now. And it was the act of courage when somebody was emotional to say, "Move forwards, not wait." And I think that there's an ... We, we, we are ... We so often think we're being kind by giving people space or saying, "It, it, it's okay," but we very rarely think it's a kind thing to say, "Move forwards. Go, and I will..." The underlying message will being, "And I will be with you."

   6. TNTrevor Noah6:39

      I've been trying to synthesize, like, the complexities of kindness.

4. 6:45 – 9:45

   The three types of kindness

   1. TNTrevor Noah6:45

      It's funny. So I was, I was, I was chatting to Esther Perel yesterday, and, uh, what I love about, you know, s- talking to people who have great minds is, like, sort of dissecting them, trying to understand what we're not seeing in what we're seeing. And as I was going through it, I realized one of the main things no one really teaches us is that there are three distinct types of kindness. Maybe there are more, but there are three that I can find, and we, we've, we've experienced a lot of them in, in, in, in this conference. But, like, there's kindness to yourself, which sometimes we forget. You know? Like when Brian Johnson was up here, and I spoke to some people who maybe didn't get it as clearly, you know? And, you know, I know Brian and I will geek out about a few, like, health things, but, like, s- some people were chatting with me and they were like, "Ah, Brian, he, like, he, he, he wants us to do medical tests on ourselves, and it's forever." And, and I was like, "No, no, no, no, no. No." The underlying message I heard was like, "Hey, be kind to yourself." That's what sleep is. Be kind to yourself. Meditate. Be kind to yourself. Work. You, you know what I mean. And then you hear- you heard some other talks, like you were saying, where some people are going, "There's being kind to the people you know. Be kind to your family, your community." And then there's probably the hardest one, and that's what Brian was just telling us now, Stevenson, was like being kind to f- to strangers. Being kind to an idea that doesn't necessarily make you feel like you. Does that make sense?

   2. SSSimon Sinek8:12

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TNTrevor Noah8:12

      And I think that's, that's probably been one of the, the, the most ... I think, like, strangely enough, a lot of us will think of kindness ... If you ask most people, "What is kindness?" Everyone thinks first and foremost about, like, a person that you're interacting with. Very seldom do we think of kindness to ourselves, and very seldom do we think of kindness to someone that's not there or that we don't see.

   4. SSSimon Sinek8:31

      How are you defining kindness?

   5. TNTrevor Noah8:33

      Well, the way I break it down is I go, first I go, what is not kindness? Niceness is a good example.

   6. SSSimon Sinek8:38

      Yeah.

   7. TNTrevor Noah8:38

      Right? A lot of people are nice.

   8. SSSimon Sinek8:40

      Yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah8:40

      Um, you know, I find a lot of, like, for instance, Scandinavian, Swedish people, not very nice, but very kind.

   10. SPSpeaker8:47

       [laughs]

   11. TNTrevor Noah8:47

       And it's a very complicated thing to understand, you know? Because niceness is the performance of kindness, but it's not necessarily the action. You know? It is a nice thing to say something to somebody. It is a nice thing to smile at somebody, but kindness is doing something. Do you know what I mean?

   12. SSSimon Sinek9:03

       But giving somebody harsh feedback, hard feedback is kind, but not nice.

   13. TNTrevor Noah9:07

       Yes, and if, if you've done it in the right way.

   14. SSSimon Sinek9:09

       Not giving somebody feedback-

   15. TNTrevor Noah9:09

       Yeah

   16. SSSimon Sinek9:09

       ... is nice, but not kind.

   17. TNTrevor Noah9:11

       It is, it is very nice.

   18. SSSimon Sinek9:12

       Yeah.

   19. TNTrevor Noah9:12

       You know? Like for instance, I ... This is a small thing, but I'm always thrown when someone has some- something on their face and no one tells them. It's very nice to not tell them.

   20. SPSpeaker9:20

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah9:21

       You, you, you have something on your face. D- don't tell them. You're being nice. It's better to be kind and be like, "Hey, man, your face."

   22. SSSimon Sinek9:27

       [laughs]

   23. SPSpeaker9:28

       [laughs]

   24. TNTrevor Noah9:28

       Do, do you get what I'm saying?

   25. SSSimon Sinek9:29

       [laughs]

   26. TNTrevor Noah9:29

       And I, and I think it's a very simple example of it, but it's also a very complex idea because one makes everyone feel like everything's going right. The other one is being able to embrace the discomfort of what's not, in a way.

   27. SSSimon Sinek9:44

       I think, I think you're touching

5. 9:45 – 11:10

   Courage, kindness, and generosity

   1. SSSimon Sinek9:45

      on the, the s- the thing that I think we're both teasing out of this, which is kindness, true kindness, is uncomfortable.

   2. TNTrevor Noah9:50

      It can be, yeah.

   3. SSSimon Sinek9:51

      Nice, nice is not uncomfortable.

   4. TNTrevor Noah9:53

      Yes. Yes. That's, that's, that's what I've written down.

   5. SSSimon Sinek9:54

      That's the, that's the difference.

   6. TNTrevor Noah9:55

      Yeah.

   7. SSSimon Sinek9:55

      There's a discomfort in kindness.

   8. TNTrevor Noah9:57

      Yes.

   9. SSSimon Sinek9:57

      Being kind to yourself is uncomfortable because it means I have to put myself first, I have to give myself grace, and sometimes it's easier to just beat myself up or not.

   10. TNTrevor Noah10:05

       Right.

   11. SSSimon Sinek10:05

       It ta- it's, it's ... And I think kindness comes with, dare I say it, courage. I think cour- and kindness is different than generosity. Uh-

   12. TNTrevor Noah10:16

       Yeah, they overlap, but they're not the same thing.

   13. SSSimon Sinek10:17

       They overlap, but they're not the same. Like, being generous is giving money to a cause. Look how generous. Kindness is giving a non-redeemable commodity: time, energy. And though we want generosity and we want people to give money, sure, I think when, if somebody gives you ... If you're moving, y- you have a m- and your, and your friend says, "I'll pay for the moving van."

   14. TNTrevor Noah10:37

       Mm-hmm.

   15. SSSimon Sinek10:38

       Very generous. Somebody else says, "I'll come to your house, I'll help you pack the boxes. I'll go with you, help you unpack the boxes." That's a non-redeemable commodity. They'll never get that time or energy back. And I think that, I think, as I think this through with you, as I think out loud about this, I think kindness, there's, there's a discomfort, but I also think there's a degree of sacrifice that comes with kindness. A- again, not, one is not better than worse. It's not j- better than the other. It's not a judgment. I want to see generosity in the world and kindness in the world, but I think we sometimes conflate the two, and I don't think they're the same.

   16. TNTrevor Noah11:08

       Well-

   17. SSSimon Sinek11:08

       And that's sort of one of the things I'm getting from

6. 11:10 – 16:00

   The etymology and origin of kindness

   1. SSSimon Sinek11:10

      this. The-

   2. TNTrevor Noah11:10

      Well, what, what, what I think is always interesting is to, is to look at the meaning of words. So what I, what I love about English as a language is that it's the bastard tongue, right? And so whenever I meet people who speak other languages, and obviously in South Africa we speak a bunch, so I speak a few, I, I love getting into, like, what a word means and, because English has become this default, what English sort of took it from. I find it interesting that in many languages around the world, I won't say most because I don't know all of them, but in many languages around the world, kindness doesn't hold the same etymology and origin that it does in English. So in most languages, kindness can be traced to generosity and benevolence. In French, I think it has a very similar meaning. In Arabic, there's a word that's, like, held very deeply. It means to be, like, of service, to be generous, to be kind. In Chinese, there's a word. In Russian. You, you go through, in Greek, all of them, they all come back to generosity.

   3. SSSimon Sinek12:06

      S- generosity or service?

   4. TNTrevor Noah12:07

      Not generosity-

   5. SSSimon Sinek12:08

      Generosity

   6. TNTrevor Noah12:08

      ... benevolence, service, all of them, but it's all different in the different languages. The origin of kind I find very interesting in English because I think it gives us an insight into what might be missing in today's world, and it, it, it's what makes it complex. Humankind, the same kind, kindred, my kin.

   7. SSSimon Sinek12:28

      Mm.

   8. TNTrevor Noah12:28

      That's literally where it comes from in English.

   9. SSSimon Sinek12:30

      Mm.

   10. TNTrevor Noah12:31

       We are the same kind. You trace the word back, and the word kind came from saying you are me, and I am you. That's where it came from.

   11. SSSimon Sinek12:41

       Mm.

   12. TNTrevor Noah12:41

       And so when we are saying we are being kind to one another, in English, the origin of it meant-

   13. SSSimon Sinek12:46

       Mm

   14. TNTrevor Noah12:47

       ... I am seeing you as me, and I'm believing that you are seeing me as you, right? And as I've been thinking about it, I've been going, "Oh, that's, that's probably why we're struggling to live in a world that is kind." Because for various reasons, we now live in a world where everyone is the audience of one. Do you know what I mean?

   15. SSSimon Sinek13:13

       And we see each other as more different.

   16. TNTrevor Noah13:17

       Yeah, but that's what I mean by-

   17. SSSimon Sinek13:18

       Yeah, yeah

   18. TNTrevor Noah13:18

       ... audience of one.

   19. SSSimon Sinek13:18

       Where, where, a- and if kindness is, if the kindness and, and etymologically the foundation of community, then how can we ever be a community? There's no such thing as community or tribe or belonging-

   20. TNTrevor Noah13:29

       No

   21. SSSimon Sinek13:30

       ... or safety without kindness. The two literally are impossible to have. Kindness is the thing that creates the feeling of safety.

   22. TNTrevor Noah13:37

       Yes, because we have to be the same. So okay, I'll give you a simple example. Yesterday, everyone's having every different conversation. Everyone's talking about everything, musicians, artists, b- businesspeople, you name it. It was fascinating to see what happened when the tweets between Elon Musk and Donald Trump came out.

   23. SSSimon Sinek13:53

       [laughs]

   24. TNTrevor Noah13:53

       We all became the same kind. That moment connected everybody. Everyone started saying, "Did you see what hap- did you see what happened? Oh, my good- what do you think?" But what, what I, what I find most fascinating in that moment is that w- everyone, everyone became the same kind, and I realize that those moments are more valuable than we think. Because as we live in a world where everything is becoming for you, right? Your, your internet page is for you, your algorithm is for you, your TV shows are for you, right? Because you stream. You don't even have to watch things at the same time as everybody else. Like when I grew up, I had to watch what my parents were watching, and sometimes they had to watch what I was watching because that was the TV. Now, you live in a world where every single person in a household can watch whatever they want, how they want. And while that's great for your personal enjoyment of life, it means you are less of the same kind, you know? So now you, you don't have the same reference. You don't have the same joke. You don't have the same news. You don't have the same story. And if you live in a world like that, how do you then think that the other person deserves what you deserve or thinks what you think?

   25. SSSimon Sinek14:53

       So it goes back to sacrifice, which is to be kind. I have to give something up of myself for myself, for someone else in this moment.

   26. TNTrevor Noah15:01

       Yes.

   27. SSSimon Sinek15:01

       I have to watch my parents' TV show even though I don't want to because that's, that's the deal. You may not have seen it as kind and, but you could have gone away, but you didn't. You sat on the couch and just watched.

   28. TNTrevor Noah15:11

       Yeah. You were just there.

   29. SSSimon Sinek15:12

       Because it was nice to be as a family. So, so, so does ki- and we heard it. A- again, I'll go back to Yunomi. You know, the, the, the, the missionaries who were kind to rescue her and her mother-

   30. TNTrevor Noah15:25

       Yes
7. 16:00 – 20:27

   The difference between empathy and kindness

   1. TNTrevor Noah16:00

      you know, you know what's hard about doing, other than the obvious, is it requires more. So again, while I was, I was chatting, I was chatting to Esther about it, and we talk about emotions and stuff. I was going like, "What is, what is a feeling?" I was going like kindness and, and empathy. And you know what's really fascinating to me is empathy requires you to feel what somebody else is feeling. Kindness requires you to do something about it. You do not need empathy to be kind. That's something that I find interesting. You can be kind without feeling, and, and some people will be like, "No, you can't." You know you can. You can literally not feel. You may not feel what the other person's feeling, but you go, "You know what? I think they deserve justice. I think they need help. I think they... I, I can't feel what they're going through." But the opposite isn't... You can have empathy and no kindness, and that's, that's something that stuck with me as I was thinking about it. In fact, you know, when we're talking now about Ukraine, Russia, the world, everything we're going through, one of the biggest things I've noticed is populists are brilliant at weaponizing empathy. Do you know what I mean? Wherever you go in the world, populists are brilliant at feeling what people are feeling.

   2. SSSimon Sinek17:19

      Yeah.

   3. TNTrevor Noah17:19

      Criticize Donald Trump all you want. That man feels what many Americans feel. He, he knows how to feel it for them. How he acts doesn't necessarily address what they're feeling, but boy, does he feel it. Viktor Orbán, you go wherever you want in the world. These people are good at weaponizing the empathy 'cause they go, "I do feel what you're feeling, and so I'm gonna act on it-"

   4. SSSimon Sinek17:43

      So I-

   5. TNTrevor Noah17:43

      "... in a way that may not address what you feel."

   6. SSSimon Sinek17:45

      So I have a question.

   7. TNTrevor Noah17:45

      But you know what I mean? Yeah.

   8. SSSimon Sinek17:46

      I have a question, and I like this, I like the breaking these things too down. So if somebody can express empathy, do people just give them credit that things they do are kind because they feel the empathy?

   9. TNTrevor Noah17:56

      Yes. So, uh, here's, here's the best analogy I can think of. If you've ever been to a hospital and you've ever had to be helped by people in, like, the medical industry, nurses in particular I find this with. A lot of nurses are not nice.

   10. SSSimon Sinek18:11

       [laughs]

   11. TNTrevor Noah18:12

       [laughs] They really aren't. But they're kind. And what I mean by that is, like, they do what they need to do to help you, and they really do it. And I've, I've seldom met a nurse who doesn't go above and beyond to help you get to where you need to get to. Helping the doctor address your needs, helping the hospital move. They're often overworked, they've... But they, they're very seldom nice.

   12. SSSimon Sinek18:33

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah18:33

       Do you know what I mean?

   14. SSSimon Sinek18:34

       Mm-hmm.

   15. TNTrevor Noah18:34

       But they're very kind. And I always think to myself, what would it be like if they were the opposite? What would be-- if they, it specialized in empathy, but not being kind? They would come in, and they'd be like, "Oh, it must feel so bad."

   16. SPSpeaker18:45

       [laughs]

   17. TNTrevor Noah18:46

       "Oh, I can only imagine what it feels like."

   18. SSSimon Sinek18:48

       You are describing-

   19. TNTrevor Noah18:49

       "Oh, your heart having this attack. Oh, oh, I know how you must feel right now."

   20. SSSimon Sinek18:53

       You're describing an AI friend.

   21. SPSpeaker18:55

       [laughs]

   22. TNTrevor Noah18:56

       That's exactly what it is.

   23. SSSimon Sinek18:57

       You're describing an AI friend.

   24. TNTrevor Noah18:58

       And can I tell you?

   25. SSSimon Sinek18:58

       Very nice.

   26. TNTrevor Noah18:59

       And can I tell you?

   27. SSSimon Sinek19:00

       Not kind.

   28. TNTrevor Noah19:00

       That's exactly what I think of when people will tell me-- You know when people are like, "The AI thinks. The AI feels. It can connect with you. It can sh-" No, no, no, no, no. No. It can pretend to connect. It can pretend. It can perform these acts of empathy, because it can write them the way we perceive them, but it cannot do. And the doing fundamentally becomes the thing that separates us.

   29. SSSimon Sinek19:21

       You know the annoying thing about kindness?

   30. SPSpeaker19:24

       [applause]
8. 20:27 – 21:52

   Conclusion

   1. SSSimon Sinek20:27

      stick, the-

   2. TNTrevor Noah20:27

      Yeah

   3. SSSimon Sinek20:27

      ... the, the crook is coming out.

   4. SPSpeaker20:29

      Can I just recognize your time's coming to an end.

   5. SSSimon Sinek20:31

      This thing. This is-

   6. TNTrevor Noah20:31

      I think it's-

   7. SSSimon Sinek20:32

      It depends on what you do now.

   8. SPSpeaker20:33

      I don't think that my mic is on.

   9. TNTrevor Noah20:34

      It's, it feels like we're about to sing. I'm not even gonna lie.

   10. SPSpeaker20:37

       [laughs]

   11. SSSimon Sinek20:37

       The way you walked out.

   12. SPSpeaker20:37

       It is. The music will come up.

   13. TNTrevor Noah20:38

       The way you walked out was beautiful.

   14. SPSpeaker20:39

       Nobody wants to sit in silence.

   15. TNTrevor Noah20:39

       That was really beautiful.

   16. SSSimon Sinek20:40

       [laughs]

   17. TNTrevor Noah20:41

       It was elegant and beautiful.

   18. SPSpeaker20:42

       Um, we could listen to you for hours and hours. Is it nice to tell you that your time is up? Or kind? [laughs]

   19. SSSimon Sinek20:49

       I think this is-- You're being nice to us and kind to the audience.

   20. SPSpeaker20:52

       Maybe. [laughs] I don't know.

   21. TNTrevor Noah20:52

       That's exactly what it is.

   22. SSSimon Sinek20:54

       [laughs]

   23. SPSpeaker20:54

       I think that's exactly. We are-- Actually, this is a good, a good opportunity for me to start by saying thank you to you both, because you are truly brilliant, and to this whole community. We are shaped by all of you. There's too many people to name. Um, of course, Daniel and Ash, for this being your wonderful brainchild, for the remarkable Brilliant Minds board that steer us in the right direction. But really to the community as well, Juliet, Darnell, Mark, Gail, there's so many of you. You too as well. Each year you come back, you, you share your brains with us, you share your friends with us, and that's what truly makes this brilliant. Um, I know you got millions and millions of views last time that you both spoke together. I'm sure you will again. And thank you both, uh, so much-

   24. TNTrevor Noah21:44

       Thank you

   25. SPSpeaker21:44

       ... for sharing your insight. I'm gonna take everybody's time.

   26. TNTrevor Noah21:47

       No, thank you, everyone. And thank you, 10 years, everyone. Congratulations.

   27. SPSpeaker21:50

       [applause]

   28. SSSimon Sinek21:50

       Thank you, Anastasia. Thank you again.

Episode duration: 21:56