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Simon SinekThe First Steps To Reducing Your Anxiety with author Mel Robbins | A Bit of Optimism Podcast
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CHAPTERS
- 0:00 – 7:24
From $800,000 in Debt to an Accidental TEDx Talk
Simon asks whether Mel knew her work would resonate. Mel recounts 2011: her husband's failing restaurant, the debt, and the 5 Second Rule she invented to get out of bed. She describes the panic-attack TEDx talk that years later led to emails from around the world.
- •In 2011 Mel's family was $800,000 in debt with three kids under ten
- •She invented the 5 Second Rule, counting backwards from five, to get out of bed through anxiety
- •The San Francisco invitation offered two plane tickets and two nights at the St. Regis
- •She forgot how to end the talk and blurted out the 5 Second Rule, which she'd only shared with her husband
- •Emails from strangers arrived a couple of years after the talk went online
- 7:24 – 9:21
Why the Work Resonates: Simple Tools and the "How"
Simon says both their works were accidents born of real struggle, and Mel agrees she couldn't have predicted the outcome. Mel explains that people know what to do but lack the how, and names three lessons the 5 Second Rule taught her.
- •Simon says their work was born out of reality rather than a magazine opportunity
- •Mel believes most people know what they need to do but lack the how
- •Everyone struggles and feels stuck, and thinks they're the only one
- •The more complicated the solution, the less likely it works when someone is overwhelmed
- •The third lesson is the power of ignoring how you feel and forcing yourself to act
- 9:21 – 14:45
Routines, Working Out, and "Just Do It"
Simon admits he lets himself down on workouts but never when meeting someone. Mel challenges him, saying change takes skill rather than will, and unpacks why the word "just" is the key to Nike's tagline. She explains why the brain defaults to what is easy.
- •Simon says he is in a routine of not working out but will show up for another person
- •Mel says people only change when they want to and that waiting for motivation isn't enough
- •It's a matter of skill rather than will: feeling what you feel and doing what you need to do
- •Pressure creates resistance, while "just do it" acknowledges hesitation
- •The brain moves toward what's easy, so changing patterns means acting against that wiring
- 14:45 – 18:29
Mel's Past: ADHD, Dyslexia, and Missing Skills
Asked whether she was always type A, Mel describes herself as a walking red flag who hurt herself and others because she didn't know better. She explains discovering ADHD and dyslexia at 47 through her son's evaluation and shares a guest's idea that people do well when they can.
- •Mel says she is obsessed with shortcuts and tools because she spent years hurting herself and others without knowing why
- •ADHD research in the '70s only looked at boys, and many women were diagnosed with anxiety instead
- •She discovered her own ADHD and dyslexia at 47 when her son was evaluated
- •She cites Dr. Stuart Ablon's line that people do well when they can, meaning a skill is missing
- •Counting down let her avoid being ruled by emotion and past patterns
- 18:29 – 22:04
Motivation Is Garbage: Emotions and Sadness
Mel argues motivation is unreliable and that action, not feeling, builds a new self-image. She explains that emotions dissipate and that you choose your response. Asked about sadness, she says it is healthy but can tip into drowning, as it did after her move to Vermont.
- •Mel calls motivation complete garbage because it's never there when you need it
- •Action dissipates emotion and shows you that you are not defined by your feelings
- •Mel says research shows most emotion dissipates in about 90 seconds if you let it rise and fall
- •Sadness is a healthy response and helps process grief or disappointment
- •After moving to Vermont at 52 she says she over-indexed on sadness for about six months too long
- 22:04 – 27:47
Where Other People Fit In and the Let Them Theory
Simon asks what role other people play, noting that service and a supportive person boost our grit. Mel says other people are everything and introduces the Let Them Theory, explaining that we waste energy trying to control and change others and can only control our thoughts, actions, and emotions.
- •Simon says none of this works in a vacuum and that one person saying "you got this" helps him
- •Mel says 54321 changed her relationship with herself, while the Let Them Theory changed her relationships with others
- •The theory has two parts: let them, then let me
- •Only three things are controllable: your thoughts, your actions, and what you do with your emotions
- •Trying to control others gives away power and creates friction
- 27:47 – 35:03
The Prom Story and Letting Go of Control
Mel tells how her daughter's repeated "let them" at her son's prom made her feel instant peace. She then experimented in daily life, at a garden center and with the dog, and argues that burnout comes from giving power to things outside your control. She applies it to guilt, such as holiday visits to her parents.
- •Her daughter said "let them" over the taco stand, the rain, and the shoes, and Mel felt peace
- •Mel noticed how often she let outside things get inside her, like a garden-center line
- •She says burnout and overwhelm come from the power given to things outside your control
- •Letting them doesn't mean being unsupportive; "let me" returns you to your values
- •Guilt-driven choices make other people the villain and give your power away
- 35:03 – 38:50
Accountability: Simon's Consulting Story
Simon says let them and 5-4-3-2-1 are two sides of accountability: taking it for yourself and not taking it for others. He tells how he stopped fighting his consulting clients over advice and found they listened more. Mel adds that pushing triggers people's need for control.
- •Simon says one idea is being responsible for yourself and the other is making sure others are responsible for themselves
- •As a consultant he told a client every decision would be the right one because it was his business
- •Once Simon returned accountability, the client listened more
- •Mel says people need to think it's their idea and that pushing is an assault on agency
- •Mel notes that responsibility means your ability to respond
- 38:50 – 43:20
Mel's Theory of Adult Friendship
Mel explains how friendship shifts from a group sport before 20 to an individual one after the "great scattering." She lays out three conditions for friendship, proximity, timing, and energy, and says "let me" means going first in creating the friendships you want.
- •Before 20 friendship is easy because life is organized around people your age
- •Proximity matters, with studies suggesting roughly 70 hours for a casual friend and 200 for a close one
- •Timing of life stages and energy are the other two conditions
- •Asking whether the three conditions are present keeps a fading friendship from feeling personal
- •"Let me" means making the plans and reaching out without expecting a response
- 43:20 – 49:17
Writing the Book with Her Daughter
Asked for a project she'd love every day, Mel describes hiring her daughter for research. Her daughter delivered a 27-page analysis warning that the theory could make people lonelier, which led to the "let me" step. Working together healed their relationship and let them clear friction.
- •Her daughter had never wanted to work with Mel but took a three-week research project
- •She delivered a 27-page color-coded document in 36 hours
- •She warned that some people said the theory made them lonelier and insisted on a second part
- •Her research led to the "let me" step
- •Saying "let them" daily avoided the death by a thousand cuts and let them see each other differently
- 49:17 – 53:43
Childhood Memory and the Shoveling Snow Metaphor
Simon asks for a happy childhood memory, and Mel describes ice dancing to Journey with her best friend on a rink her mother shoveled. Simon connects it to her daughter story and says Mel's theories clear snow so others can create, like her mother did. The chapter closes with Mel's story of Ellen returning to opera.
- •Mel remembers her mother shoveling an ice rink in North Muskegon, Michigan
- •Simon sees a clearing of space in both the memory and the book story
- •He says Mel has become her mother, shoveling snow so others can do and be
- •Mel's mother sent a Chico's photo of a fan who returned to singing opera after 15 years
- •Simon says the work is small things with big impact
- 53:43 – 57:10
Hope, Childhood Struggles, and Closing Thoughts
Mel says hope is what most people are missing. Simon says he speaks in terms of "we," shares his own struggles in school, and says solutions found in childhood become strengths, while Mel adds they can become a prison. Simon closes by praising the elegant simplicity of her ideas.
- •Mel says that if people don't believe something will work for them, they won't do it
- •Simon says he says "we" rather than "you" on stage
- •He says his discoveries came from having no choice, as a kid who struggled in school
- •Simon believes childhood solutions become adult strengths, and Mel adds they can become a prison
- •Simon says he wants to understand the nuance and praises the elegance of her ideas
