We All Get Cancelled One Day with "Somebody Feed Phil’s" Phil Rosenthal | A Bit of Optimism Podcast

1. 0:00 – 1:32

   Naming the show and turning the podcast into a literal meal

   1. SSSimon Sinek0:00

      You created Everybody Loves Raymond-

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal0:02

      Mm-hmm

   3. SSSimon Sinek0:02

      ... and Somebody Feed Phil.

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal0:03

      Mm-hmm.

   5. SSSimon Sinek0:04

      It's always got some name in it.

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal0:06

      Yeah.

   7. SSSimon Sinek0:06

      So what would you name my show?

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal0:08

      Somebody Talk To Simon.

   9. SSSimon Sinek0:09

      [laughs] It's so, it's so lonely. [laughs] Before we turn on the cameras and the mics, I tell every guest who comes on the show that this is not like an interview show that they're used to. It's more like a conversation. I tell them to imagine that we're out for a meal-

   10. SPSpeaker0:27

       [laughing]

   11. SSSimon Sinek0:27

       ... and the people sitting next to us are eavesdropping on us because our conversation is better than theirs. Well, for this episode, we decided to do just that, literally.

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal0:38

       Holy crap, this is a best cheesecake.

   13. SSSimon Sinek0:41

       As soon as I heard that Phil Rosenthal, the brilliant creator and executive producer behind Everybody Loves Raymond, and the joyful heart and face of Somebody Feed Phil, was coming on the show, I wanted to give him food. So we turned our little podcast into an even littler restaurant. Please pull up a chair at our table for the latest episode of Somebody Talk to Simon. I mean, A Bit of Optimism. [upbeat music] This episode is brought to you by True Classic. The way they became our sponsor is because I loved their T-shirts, and so we just called them up and asked them if they wanted to work together, and they said yes. So check out their clothes at trueclassic.com. I warned you before we turned the cameras on-

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal1:32

       Yeah

2. 1:32 – 3:51

   Breakfast burritos as a metaphor: taste everything, finish nothing

   1. SSSimon Sinek1:32

      ... which is, we have so much damn food that we brought.

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal1:34

      Yeah.

   3. SSSimon Sinek1:35

      Um, um, don't finish anything because we have to get through it all. And I haven't had breakfast, so I'm spacey.

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal1:41

      Great. I had a little protein drink, so, so that's-

   5. SSSimon Sinek1:44

      You're okay

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal1:44

      ... I'm hungry too. But-

   7. SSSimon Sinek1:45

      Good

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal1:46

      ... oh, yeah, yeah. But that's my secret, by the way. The number one question I get is how come I'm not fat, and it is, one reason is I don't finish anything. If you see me eating like crazy on the show-

   9. SSSimon Sinek1:57

      Yeah

   10. PRPhil Rosenthal1:58

       ... I am, but I'm not really... Unless it's the, the, like, most delicious thing I've ever had and I'm, know I'll never get to this part of Chiang Mai again to have this bowl-

   11. SSSimon Sinek2:08

       Right

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal2:08

       ... of khao soi, I'm finishing it.

   13. SSSimon Sinek2:10

       Got it.

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal2:10

       And I'm, and maybe ordering another one. If you're in a town that's famous for certain dishes-

   15. SSSimon Sinek2:15

       Yeah

   16. PRPhil Rosenthal2:16

       ... you want those dishes.

   17. SSSimon Sinek2:16

       You gotta eat those dish- those dishes.

   18. PRPhil Rosenthal2:18

       You have to.

   19. SSSimon Sinek2:19

       Let's get our first dish out here. Let's get, let's get our breakfast dish out because we got a, we got, I, we've got not just courses, w- we have breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

   20. PRPhil Rosenthal2:27

       You've really thought this out.

   21. SSSimon Sinek2:28

       [laughs] We, we have a lot of food. So what we decided to do is there's a bunch of great restaurants in Los Angeles, which is where you and I live.

   22. PRPhil Rosenthal2:35

       Listen-

   23. SSSimon Sinek2:35

       And-

   24. PRPhil Rosenthal2:35

       ... if you can't travel, live in LA.

   25. SSSimon Sinek2:37

       Live in LA.

   26. PRPhil Rosenthal2:37

       Because the world is here.

   27. SSSimon Sinek2:38

       And we have a bunch of great restaurants, and so we ordered, like, some of the dishes from some great places. Look at that. Bring it on in. Thank you, David. So I haven't... I love a breakfast burrito.

   28. PRPhil Rosenthal2:49

       Hi, David. Well, hi. I love a breakfast burrito too.

   29. SPSpeaker2:52

       Breakfast burritos are the best.

   30. PRPhil Rosenthal2:53

       It's one of my favorite things.
3. 3:51 – 5:39

   Why Phil made a travel-and-food show—and why it took 10 years

   1. SSSimon Sinek3:51

      What made you wanna start a, a, an eating show in the first place, other than the obvious? [laughs] Which is to get paid to travel around the world to eat. It sounds like a good gig.

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal4:01

      It's a scam.

   3. SSSimon Sinek4:03

      [laughs]

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal4:04

      You talk to people who, leaders in business, they're not as honest as I am.

   5. SSSimon Sinek4:09

      [laughs] It's a scam. Right.

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal4:10

      It's a scam.

   7. SSSimon Sinek4:11

      [laughs] And you're, what are you, seventh season in?

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal4:13

      This, coming up now, is season eight.

   9. SSSimon Sinek4:16

      Season eight. Did you imagine when you came up with the idea that, that it would get picked up for eight seasons?

   10. PRPhil Rosenthal4:21

       No, you're help-

   11. SSSimon Sinek4:22

       [laughs]

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal4:22

       ... hoping to fool one guy at a network.

   13. SSSimon Sinek4:25

       [laughs]

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal4:26

       And that maybe they'll let you film one. By the way, the first time we filmed one-

   15. SSSimon Sinek4:30

       Yeah

   16. PRPhil Rosenthal4:32

       ... I think it was Barcelona. We started on PBS.

   17. SSSimon Sinek4:35

       Mm-hmm.

   18. PRPhil Rosenthal4:35

       The first one we filmed was Barcelona, and I have my first scene, which is a meal.

   19. SSSimon Sinek4:41

       Mm-hmm.

   20. PRPhil Rosenthal4:42

       And the meal was so fantastic, I said, "If we're canceled right now, dayenu." [laughs]

   21. SSSimon Sinek4:49

       It's worth it.

   22. PRPhil Rosenthal4:50

       It was worth it.

   23. SSSimon Sinek4:51

       Yeah.

   24. PRPhil Rosenthal4:51

       Everything I went through. And it took 10 years to get the show.

   25. SSSimon Sinek4:55

       How? What?

   26. PRPhil Rosenthal4:56

       Yes.

   27. SSSimon Sinek4:57

       But hold on.

   28. PRPhil Rosenthal4:58

       This is today-

   29. SSSimon Sinek4:58

       There was, there was-

   30. PRPhil Rosenthal4:59

       ... today's lesson
4. 5:39 – 8:10

   Post-Raymond industry whiplash: executives, trends, and career risk

   1. PRPhil Rosenthal5:39

      The reason I shifted gears that way is because after Everybody Loves Raymond-

   2. SSSimon Sinek5:44

      Mm

   3. PRPhil Rosenthal5:44

      ... was over, I had been there for nine years. The business changed greatly in those nine years. They, they didn't want that kind of show anymore. They wanted hip and edgy shows.

   4. SSSimon Sinek5:56

      They were moving from Everyone Loves Raymond to something like Friends. Okay.

   5. PRPhil Rosenthal5:59

      F- they just wanted Friends.

   6. SSSimon Sinek6:01

      Got it.

   7. PRPhil Rosenthal6:01

      That was it.

   8. SSSimon Sinek6:02

      They wanted that formula.

   9. PRPhil Rosenthal6:02

      They wanted young, hipUh-

   10. SSSimon Sinek6:06

       Family sitcoms are out

   11. PRPhil Rosenthal6:07

       ... good-looking. Yes. And it's, you know, we had a hard time selling Raymond when we sold Raymond-

   12. SSSimon Sinek6:13

       Mm

   13. PRPhil Rosenthal6:13

       ... because it was already déclassé. It wasn't, it wa- it's not sexy to people-

   14. SSSimon Sinek6:19

       Mm

   15. PRPhil Rosenthal6:19

       ... the family sitcom. Although, if you look back at television comedy history, it's the building block of networks.

   16. SSSimon Sinek6:28

       All in the Family.

   17. PRPhil Rosenthal6:29

       All in the Family. Go back to I Love Lucy, a domestic-

   18. SSSimon Sinek6:32

       I Love Lucy

   19. PRPhil Rosenthal6:32

       ... uh, a Father Knows Best-

   20. SSSimon Sinek6:34

       Happy Days

   21. PRPhil Rosenthal6:35

       ... Happy Days-

   22. SSSimon Sinek6:35

       Yeah

   23. PRPhil Rosenthal6:35

       ... The Honeymooners. Domestic-

   24. SSSimon Sinek6:38

       Yeah

   25. PRPhil Rosenthal6:38

       ... not workplace-

   26. SSSimon Sinek6:39

       Yeah

   27. PRPhil Rosenthal6:39

       ... domestic family sitcoms, with kids or without kids.

   28. SSSimon Sinek6:42

       Yep.

   29. PRPhil Rosenthal6:44

       Well, that's not what a, a young executive or even an old executive wants on their resume, because that's not cool.

   30. SSSimon Sinek6:53

       Right.
5. 8:10 – 11:38

   High concept vs. low concept: how Raymond stayed fresh for nine years

   1. PRPhil Rosenthal8:10

      That's a whole, I mean, we could do a whole show about this, but, uh, I'll give you the short answer.

   2. SSSimon Sinek8:14

      Yeah.

   3. PRPhil Rosenthal8:15

      If you sell something that's high concept ... Do you know what high concept, uh-

   4. SSSimon Sinek8:21

      Mm-mm. Say, say more.

   5. PRPhil Rosenthal8:23

      Okay. High concept would be a show where we're from Mars, our family's from Mars, and we're gonna live on a street and pretend to be normal Americans.

   6. SSSimon Sinek8:34

      Okay.

   7. PRPhil Rosenthal8:35

      That's a high concept show. Now, with a high concept show, they have to serve that premise every week.

   8. SSSimon Sinek8:42

      Right.

   9. PRPhil Rosenthal8:42

      That would get boring and repetitive and can't last very long.

   10. SSSimon Sinek8:46

       Right.

   11. PRPhil Rosenthal8:46

       It can last maybe a few seasons tops.

   12. SSSimon Sinek8:48

       Right.

   13. PRPhil Rosenthal8:49

       Because every week, oh no, they're gonna find out we're from Mars.

   14. SSSimon Sinek8:52

       Right, right.

   15. PRPhil Rosenthal8:53

       So it's the same story practically.

   16. SSSimon Sinek8:54

       Right.

   17. PRPhil Rosenthal8:55

       Yes, you can have little stories that weave in and out, but that main premise is gonna have to be served.

   18. SSSimon Sinek9:03

       Right.

   19. PRPhil Rosenthal9:03

       Okay. You know what low concept is? Low concept is a guy who lives across the street from his parents with his family.

   20. SSSimon Sinek9:11

       Right.

   21. PRPhil Rosenthal9:12

       That's very low concept.

   22. SSSimon Sinek9:13

       It can go, it can go forever.

   23. PRPhil Rosenthal9:14

       And it's not hip and edgy, and it doesn't sell, because it doesn't sound like something novel.

   24. SSSimon Sinek9:19

       Right.

   25. PRPhil Rosenthal9:20

       But in television, like in movies, like in books, like in anything we do in life, it's all about the execution.

   26. SSSimon Sinek9:26

       Right.

   27. PRPhil Rosenthal9:27

       So if you execute that premise, the guy with his family who lives across the street from his parents, the possibilities of episodes are almost as endless as real life.

   28. SSSimon Sinek9:39

       Right.

   29. PRPhil Rosenthal9:39

       And so if you worked for me, your job on Everybody Loves Raymond was to go home, get in a fight with your wife, and come back in and tell me about it.

   30. SSSimon Sinek9:47

       [laughs] Yeah.
6. 11:38 – 17:13

   Anajak Thai fried chicken arrives—then the Apple lesson on past vs. future

   1. PRPhil Rosenthal11:38

      Here comes, oh.

   2. SSSimon Sinek11:39

      Now, you may know that you can-

   3. PRPhil Rosenthal11:41

      This is dangerous

   4. SSSimon Sinek11:41

      ... so j- this is ... Don't tell me this is ... This is from Anajak Thai.

   5. PRPhil Rosenthal11:45

      Excuse me.

   6. SSSimon Sinek11:45

      This is one of the best...

   7. PRPhil Rosenthal11:46

      Oh, my buddy.

   8. SSSimon Sinek11:47

      [laughs]

   9. PRPhil Rosenthal11:48

      Justin.

   10. SSSimon Sinek11:48

       What?

   11. PRPhil Rosenthal11:48

       Hi. [laughs]

   12. SSSimon Sinek11:50

       How are you, buddy?

   13. PRPhil Rosenthal11:50

       Everybody, this is Justin. He's a genius.

   14. SSSimon Sinek11:53

       Good to-

   15. PRPhil Rosenthal11:54

       You've never met Simon?

   16. SSSimon Sinek11:55

       So good to see you. No, we've never met. No.

   17. PRPhil Rosenthal11:57

       Well, this is nice. We-

   18. SSSimon Sinek11:58

       J- Justin's-

   19. PRPhil Rosenthal11:59

       True

   20. SSSimon Sinek11:59

       ... well, this, we should tell everybody.

   21. PRPhil Rosenthal12:00

       Yeah.

   22. SSSimon Sinek12:00

       This is from Anajak Thai. This is some of the best fried chicken in the world. And Anajak Thai is a, a har- very hard to get into restaurant in Los Angeles

   23. PRPhil Rosenthal12:08

       That's closed on the day we're shooting, but you brought us food anyway. Thank you very, very much. Thanks for bringing it by. I didn't even know you were gonna be here.

   24. SSSimon Sinek12:14

       Of course. Of course.

   25. PRPhil Rosenthal12:14

       So nice to meet you.

   26. SSSimon Sinek12:15

       Of course. Just wanted to say hello.

   27. PRPhil Rosenthal12:16

       Justin.

   28. SSSimon Sinek12:17

       Show friend here.

   29. PRPhil Rosenthal12:18

       Listen.

   30. SSSimon Sinek12:18

       Enjoy.
7. 17:13 – 18:52

   PBS to Netflix and the life rule: 'Do the show you want—they’ll cancel you anyway'

   1. SSSimon Sinek17:13

      Now, I did other things in between, but always I was driving towards this. And then I sold it finally to PBS.

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal17:23

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SSSimon Sinek17:24

      But my agents didn't even want me to go to-

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal17:26

      What, what, what... So, so what was the reason they said yes?

   5. SSSimon Sinek17:29

      I sold it with one line. I said, "I'm exactly like Anthony Bourdain if he was afraid of everything."

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal17:36

      [laughs] Got it.

   7. SSSimon Sinek17:38

      And they said, "We've been looking for a food and travel show with humor for years."

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal17:41

      Right.

   9. SSSimon Sinek17:41

      But I wasn't allowed to go to CB- PBS by my agents because they said, "There's no money at PBS."

   10. PRPhil Rosenthal17:46

       Right.

   11. SSSimon Sinek17:46

       That turns out to be true, but they had money for six episodes.

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal17:50

       Mm-hmm.

   13. SSSimon Sinek17:51

       And we did them, and then here came Netflix.

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal17:54

       Oh, so Netflix saw it-

   15. SSSimon Sinek17:55

       Yeah

   16. PRPhil Rosenthal17:55

       ... and came after you?

   17. SSSimon Sinek17:56

       Mm-hmm. They were just kinda starting.

   18. PRPhil Rosenthal17:59

       What I'm trying to get out of your story is, is where the lessons are for how people live regular life. Not everybody's gonna be selling TV shows or is necessarily in show business-

   19. SSSimon Sinek18:09

       But the idea, I mean, you've said it. Y- I mean, if you're gonna have to beat your head against a wall-

   20. PRPhil Rosenthal18:12

       Mm-hmm

   21. SSSimon Sinek18:13

       ... pick something you like doing and beat your head against that wall.

   22. PRPhil Rosenthal18:15

       The best advice I ever got from anybody was from Ed Weinberger, a great show creator and showrunner.

   23. SSSimon Sinek18:21

       Mm-hmm.

   24. PRPhil Rosenthal18:22

       Mary Tyler Moore Show and-

   25. SSSimon Sinek18:24

       Mm-hmm

   26. PRPhil Rosenthal18:24

       ... Taxi, and great classic sitcoms that I idolized. As I'm writing the pilot for Everybody Loves Raymond, I ask him for advice. He says this: "Do the show you want to do, because in the end they're gonna cancel you anyway." That's a life lesson.

   27. SSSimon Sinek18:43

       Ah.

   28. PRPhil Rosenthal18:43

       We all get canceled one day.

   29. SSSimon Sinek18:45

       We, we all get canceled.

   30. PRPhil Rosenthal18:46

       So live the life you wanna live.
8. 18:52 – 27:38

   Hand rolls and Japan: perfection, community care, and what we’ve forgotten

   1. SSSimon Sinek18:52

      More food. We got lots of food. So this one's great. So there is a place... Thank you, David. There is a-

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal18:57

      Oh.

   3. SSSimon Sinek18:57

      Okay. There is a place call- on Ventura called The Joint. Do you know The Joint?

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal19:02

      Nope.

   5. SSSimon Sinek19:03

      Okay, The Joint is... Ah, there's our nori, our seaweed. So The Joint is the best fishmonger in Los Angeles. Like, if you're ever cooking at home and you wanna make fish, go get their dry-aged ora salmon. Here's how good it is. As I'm preparing to cook it-

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal19:20

      Yeah

   7. SSSimon Sinek19:20

      ... I'm eating it off the fish raw-

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal19:22

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

   9. SSSimon Sinek19:22

      ... 'cause it's that good, right?

   10. PRPhil Rosenthal19:23

       Sushi grade.

   11. SSSimon Sinek19:24

       And they just recently started offering hand rolls at, at The Joint-

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal19:28

       Ventura

   13. SSSimon Sinek19:28

       ... which is a fish-

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal19:30

       Where is it?

   15. SSSimon Sinek19:30

       On Ventura. It's a fishmonger.

   16. PRPhil Rosenthal19:31

       Amazing.

   17. SSSimon Sinek19:31

       It's a f- on Ventura in Studio City.

   18. PRPhil Rosenthal19:33

       Okay.

   19. SSSimon Sinek19:33

       It's a fishmonger and coffee shop. I know, what a combination.

   20. PRPhil Rosenthal19:36

       Yes.

   21. SSSimon Sinek19:37

       Anyway, so you can now get hand rolls there. So they put together a bento box. You can get it to go. This is how it comes. We're s- most- we're supposed to make our own hand rolls.

   22. PRPhil Rosenthal19:44

       Great.

   23. SSSimon Sinek19:44

       And b- I'm keeping on, on, on brand. I have Star Wars chopsticks for us.

   24. PRPhil Rosenthal19:49

       Oh, my God.

   25. SSSimon Sinek19:50

       'Cause... Hold on.

   26. PRPhil Rosenthal19:52

       Oh, my God, they light up.

   27. SSSimon Sinek19:54

       Yeah.

   28. PRPhil Rosenthal19:54

       Are we gonna duel?

   29. SSSimon Sinek19:55

       I mean-

   30. PRPhil Rosenthal19:56

       I love it
9. 27:38 – 37:34

   Early career lessons and creating Raymond: the power of specificity

   1. SSSimon Sinek27:38

      Yeah. Was Raymond your big break?

   2. PRPhil Rosenthal27:40

      Yes.

   3. SSSimon Sinek27:41

      So what were you doing before-

   4. PRPhil Rosenthal27:41

      Well, I would say big break would be your first job in television writing at all.

   5. SSSimon Sinek27:45

      Which was?

   6. PRPhil Rosenthal27:46

      Uh, the Robert Mitchum sitcom in 1989.

   7. SSSimon Sinek27:49

      Oh my God.

   8. PRPhil Rosenthal27:50

      Yes. That's the right response. Yes.

   9. SSSimon Sinek27:51

      I, I didn't-

   10. PRPhil Rosenthal27:52

       Terrible

   11. SSSimon Sinek27:53

       ... know R- Robert Mitchum had a sitcom.

   12. PRPhil Rosenthal27:55

       He shouldn't have. [laughs]

   13. SSSimon Sinek27:56

       [laughs]

   14. PRPhil Rosenthal27:56

       That lasted seven episodes.

   15. SSSimon Sinek27:58

       Okay. [laughs]

   16. PRPhil Rosenthal27:58

       But what you can learn from your first job in the field-

   17. SSSimon Sinek28:01

       Right

   18. PRPhil Rosenthal28:01

       ... you can learn from any job in the field, right?

   19. SSSimon Sinek28:03

       Right.

   20. PRPhil Rosenthal28:04

       So I learned what not to do. I learned how bad it can be.

   21. SSSimon Sinek28:07

       What, what, what were you n... What, what didn't work there? What was the big lesson learned?

   22. PRPhil Rosenthal28:12

       The, the premise, number one, you don't put Robert Mitchum in a sitcom. It doesn't belong. But the, the story behind that was he had been in, in a TV movie when they... Remember TV movies?

   23. SSSimon Sinek28:20

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   24. PRPhil Rosenthal28:21

       And this genre of TV movie is called a warmedy.

   25. SSSimon Sinek28:25

       A war?

   26. PRPhil Rosenthal28:26

       Warmedy.

   27. SSSimon Sinek28:27

       Warmedy.

   28. PRPhil Rosenthal28:27

       Warm feeling.

   29. SSSimon Sinek28:29

       Ugh.

   30. PRPhil Rosenthal28:29

       Not a comedy, not a drama, a warmedy.
10. 37:34 – 43:03

    Basque cheesecake and the 'story makes it taste better' principle

    1. SSSimon Sinek37:34

       and we'd be like, "This is your dinner?" Like, like, just like, "This is... Oh." And then we start to realize, like- Like, "Oh" ... Mom's a great cook. Oh, we're lucky. Yeah. It's like my parents had a marriage that was far from perfect. Holy crap, this is a Basque cheesecake. It is. One of our, uh, one of the places we go in season eight is San Sebastian and the Basque Country. You've done it already? You went there already? Yeah. Have you been there? Is it good? I have never. Oh, well, if you like this little treat- Okay, so, so- ... I think you're gonna love going there ... this is, this is a great story. Yes. Have... This is the Basque cheesecake- Yep ... from Paixley in Santa Monica. Have you been there? Oh, boy. Yes. Have you been there? I've been there, but I haven't had their Basque cheesecake. Okay. So now I'm gonna tell you- Yes ... now I'm gonna tell you the story behind this cheesecake. God, that's beautiful. Okay. So my friend, Will Guidara- Yes ... who I think you know, uh, he was the former owner of Eleven Madison Park. Oh, absolutely. So Will's a foodie, right? Yes. To say the least. Yes. Will and I are having dinner. Mm-hmm. And he says, "We're doing bang bang tonight." Two dinners. So bang bang is we had appetizers in one restaurant, main course in another restaurant, dessert in another restaurant. That's bang, bang, bang. That's bang, bang, bang. So we ha- we w- we moved... And by the way, the main course was WoWao, just that night. Nice. Okay. So we're sitting at WoWao. Mm-hmm. Um, and he says, "I know where we're going for dessert." Mm-hmm. "We're going to Paixley." Great. They have this Basque cheesecake, and the way it happens, two chefs went on, uh, went on vacation- Yeah ... to the Basque region- Yes ... and they tried this Basque cheesecake. [laughs] And they competed just for, as a friendly bet, as chefs do- Mm-hmm ... just for fun, who could figure out- Yes, good ... that recipe. Great. So the guy who owns the French restaurant figured it out. He, he won the little friendly contest. Yes. So he's figured out the recipe for this amazing cheesecake. The problem is, he has a French restaurant. There is literally nothing in that restaurant that is not French. He cannot serve a Spanish dessert in a French restaurant. So what he does is every night they made one cheesecake. Mm-hmm. And if the staff liked you, they gave you a slice. Ah. You couldn't order it. You couldn't a- Secret cheesecake ... you couldn't, they didn't charge you for it. Really? And if you saw somebody get it and be like, "Could I have a slice?" They go, "No." Oh. So because Will's in the restaurant business, he says to me, "This is one of the fi- top five desserts I've had in my life," he says to me. And because he's in the restaurant business, he calls up his friend who owns the restaurant and says, "Do you have any cheesecake left?" He says, "We have one slice left." Will says, "Hold it for us." We show up, we drink way too much, whatever it's called, Chartreuse. Yes. And they, they... We, it was a lot. [laughs] And then we eat the cheesecake. Yes. It's one of the top five desserts I've ever had in my life. And it's here. And here it is. Oh, man. Simon. Okay. So, uh, there's only one more funny story to share. So you remember, you can't buy it, you can't order it, you can't get it. So I, uh, I'm on a date, and I say to the girl, "I got a surprise for you." Yeah. And I take her to Paixley, and we sit at the counter, and I sort of lean into the- [laughs] ... to the waiter and sort of put my hand up as if I'm sort of like I've got... I'm like, "Hey, uh, is, uh, is the chef here?" He goes, "No, he's not here today." He's like... And I'm sort of, like, trying to make as like maybe, maybe he knows who I am. Like- Mm-hmm ... maybe we can do this. And I say, um, "Any chance you can, uh, get a slice of cheesecake please?" [laughs] He goes, uh, "I think we can do that." Oh. And I'm thinking, "Eh?" I'm in. I'm in. And he brings us a slice of cheesecake, and it's the most amazing thing, and I've got brownie points 'cause this girl's like, "This guy can get cheesecake." [laughs] And then he says, "Would you like anything else?" And I hold up the menu, and it says cheesecake, Basque cheesecake on the menu. So all I did was surreptitiously order something that's on the menu. [laughs] They put it on the menu. They put it on the menu. That little bastard. And I didn't know that they put it on the menu. And the girl's like- So it turns out- "Wow, this guy can really order from the menu." Exactly. [laughs] So the point is anybody can go to Paixley- That's great ... and have this cheesecake now. [laughs] Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Yes. It's one of the top five desserts I've ever had in my life. And it's here. And here it is. Oh, man. Simon. Okay. How big a slice do you want? That I could... Small. You gotta eat your... It's gotta be small. You gotta eat the whole slice. So make it small. This is the last thing we have. Please make it small. Okay. That's good. Good? Yeah. Okay. This is the fucking- Mm. Oh. This is the shit, as they say. Wait, hold on. H- hold on. Gotta get the middle bit. Oh, man. This is, this cheesecake- Oh, baby ... okay, so for those who aren't looking, it is a gooey- Creamy ... drippy, creamy cheesecake with a top, like all Basque cheesecake, is burnt. Yep. Seared the top of the cheesecake. All right. So excited, didn't overeat the rest of the meal, so I have- Thank you for this, Simon ... oh, this is- This is a treat ... I'm so glad I found something you didn't know. Oh, come on. 'Cause everything else, you own the restaurants. No, this is awesome. Okay, you ready? Here we go. Yeah, here we go. Here we go. Come on. That doesn't get better than that. Top five desserts of all time, right? It's, uh, yeah. It's, uh, unbelievable. Yeah.I mean-

    2. PRPhil Rosenthal42:35

       Holy cow

    3. SSSimon Sinek42:36

       ... I don't think there's any conversation we can have right now.

    4. PRPhil Rosenthal42:38

       I'm so glad I came.

    5. SSSimon Sinek42:39

       Oh.

    6. PRPhil Rosenthal42:39

       [laughs] This could solve, uh, wars.

    7. SSSimon Sinek42:44

       Yeah. This is something very specific that everybody-

    8. PRPhil Rosenthal42:47

       Yes

    9. SSSimon Sinek42:47

       ... can relate to. [laughs]

    10. PRPhil Rosenthal42:48

        It's the great, it's the great... Unless you're lactose intolerant or you can't eat sugar or...

    11. SSSimon Sinek42:52

        If you're lactose intolerant-

    12. PRPhil Rosenthal42:53

        Take a pill

    13. SSSimon Sinek42:54

        ... take a pill.

    14. PRPhil Rosenthal42:54

        Take a Lactaid.

    15. SSSimon Sinek42:55

        Take a, take a Lactaid for this one. It's worth it. Or just suffer.

    16. PRPhil Rosenthal42:59

        Mm-hmm.

    17. SSSimon Sinek43:00

        Suffer indigestion.

11. 43:03 – 46:28

    Food, humor, and relationships: connection as the real product

    1. PRPhil Rosenthal43:03

       Yeah, it's worth it. Food, I always say, is the great connector. We all gotta eat, first of all.

    2. SSSimon Sinek43:08

       Mm-hmm.

    3. PRPhil Rosenthal43:08

       Everybody on the planet eats. But if you and I never met and we sit down and we have something amazing like this, first of all, we're happy because it's so delicious. Next, we're talking, and we're in a better mood because the food was delicious, and we might share a smile or a laugh.

    4. SSSimon Sinek43:23

       Mm-hmm.

    5. PRPhil Rosenthal43:23

       So I always say food is the great connector.

    6. SSSimon Sinek43:24

       Mm-hmm.

    7. PRPhil Rosenthal43:25

       And then laughs are the cement.

    8. SSSimon Sinek43:27

       Wow.

    9. PRPhil Rosenthal43:28

       And so now we had a nice lunch, and it was so nice, what's gonna happen? We wanna eat again.

    10. SSSimon Sinek43:34

        We definitely wanna eat again.

    11. PRPhil Rosenthal43:36

        Right? So that's how friends are made. That's how-

    12. SSSimon Sinek43:40

        Mm

    13. PRPhil Rosenthal43:40

        ... that's how romance begins. They call it date for a reason, right? You go on a date. Where, where are you going? You'll probably go in the movies, but you're gonna eat because that's where you get to know the person.

    14. SSSimon Sinek43:52

        Yeah.

    15. PRPhil Rosenthal43:53

        Over a pleasurable experience.

    16. SSSimon Sinek43:56

        Did you have a happy family, happy childhood?

    17. PRPhil Rosenthal43:59

        I have to say, in retrospect, just like you were saying, you don't know what you have.

    18. SSSimon Sinek44:02

        Mm-hmm.

    19. PRPhil Rosenthal44:03

        You go to someone's house, "I can't believe the food is so terrible. I must have great food at my house."

    20. SSSimon Sinek44:07

        Mm-hmm.

    21. PRPhil Rosenthal44:07

        No, we had... We didn't have lousy food, and a lot of the time my family was yelling at each other, but we were, when we weren't yelling, we were laughing.

    22. SSSimon Sinek44:14

        Mm-hmm.

    23. PRPhil Rosenthal44:14

        My dad was very funny, and my mother also was funny. Uh, and-

    24. SSSimon Sinek44:18

        Did, did your dad know he was funny?

    25. PRPhil Rosenthal44:20

        Yes. He actually-

    26. SSSimon Sinek44:21

        Okay

    27. PRPhil Rosenthal44:21

        ... told jokes.

    28. SSSimon Sinek44:22

        Okay.

    29. PRPhil Rosenthal44:22

        He actually... The way my parents met was my mom was on a date with a fella, and she went to a nightclub in New Jersey on amateur night, and they listened to musicians, and then this young, skinny tailor from the Garment District gets up and tells old Jewish jokes that she thought was hysterical. And she said, "That guy, think I like that guy better than this guy I'm on the date with."

    30. SSSimon Sinek44:46

        [laughs]
12. 46:28 – 54:37

    AI, creativity, and fairness: what changes—and what can’t be replaced

    1. PRPhil Rosenthal46:28

       Right? Where kids can make their own movies on the phone by speaking into it and saying, "Make me the... I wanna be in outer space and do my own version of Star Wars."

    2. SSSimon Sinek46:35

       Yeah.

    3. PRPhil Rosenthal46:36

       "And I wanna be the hero, and I like the girl down the street and make her the girl that I get, and make my friend over here the villain," and he pushes a button, and then... This is soon.

    4. SSSimon Sinek46:46

       Yeah.

    5. PRPhil Rosenthal46:46

       This will happen.

    6. SSSimon Sinek46:46

       It's not far.

    7. PRPhil Rosenthal46:47

       And then AI creates a movie that not only he can show on a giant screen, but he can hit a button and distribute it worldwide. Why does he need a studio? Why does he need an agent? Why does he need a movie theater? Why does he need... Doesn't.

    8. SSSimon Sinek47:00

       Does that bother you?

    9. PRPhil Rosenthal47:01

       Of course, because the art is gone then.

    10. SSSimon Sinek47:04

        But is... But here's the thing. I don't think so, right? I think w- w- my... Where I'm coming out on AI, especially when it comes-

    11. PRPhil Rosenthal47:12

        Yes

    12. SSSimon Sinek47:12

        ... to creativity-

    13. PRPhil Rosenthal47:13

        Yes

    14. SSSimon Sinek47:13

        ... right? I think what technology does is it reorganizes the focus, right? So for example, we were an album culture.

    15. PRPhil Rosenthal47:20

        Yeah.

    16. SSSimon Sinek47:20

        We listened to 8-tracks and, and-

    17. PRPhil Rosenthal47:21

        Yeah

    18. SSSimon Sinek47:22

        ... records-

    19. PRPhil Rosenthal47:22

        Yeah. Mm-hmm

    20. SSSimon Sinek47:23

        ... and CDs and tapes. We're an album culture-

    21. PRPhil Rosenthal47:25

        Right

    22. SSSimon Sinek47:25

        ... until the MP3 player showed up.

    23. PRPhil Rosenthal47:27

        Mm-hmm.

    24. SSSimon Sinek47:28

        And now we're a song and playlist culture, right? So the technology changed our preferences and our tastes. Ch- changed our area of focus.

    25. PRPhil Rosenthal47:34

        And who did that screw?

    26. SSSimon Sinek47:36

        Uh-

    27. PRPhil Rosenthal47:37

        The artist.

    28. SSSimon Sinek47:40

        Uh, screwed some artists, gave life to new artists.

    29. PRPhil Rosenthal47:44

        But not the life that, uh, you know, Beyoncé has to tour because the album isn't gonna make her the money-

    30. SSSimon Sinek47:52

        So, so-
13. 54:37 – 1:03:29

    Service as the moat: why humans still matter in restaurants (and beyond)

    1. PRPhil Rosenthal54:37

       That's right. The wrinkles are earned.Wrinkles are earned. The specifics are earned. I really like this. [laughs] It's a great philosophy for life. I thought we were just gonna talk about food. Well- That's really nice ... that's a big part of it, and it's a great metaphor for a lot of things in life. Yeah. I have a couple enterprises. Food, food is art. It can be, yeah. I don't understand people who- I think chefs are great writers. They're... Right. You write a recipe. You put ideas together that maybe haven't been together before. Roy Choi, for example. You know who he is? I don't. Roy Choi created the Kogi truck. You know what that is? I don't. It changed the world. S- Why? Because here's a Korean American who, growing up in LA, loves, uh, Mexican food and culture. He takes Korean barbecue and he puts it in a tortilla and makes a Korean- Like a bulgogi- ... barbecue- ... tortilla ... taco. Wow. Then he takes a truck and paints it with the word Kogi on it, and as the internet is coming and people are writing now on the internet, "The Kogi truck is at Ventura and, uh, this. Come there." And crowds start coming. Now people go, "Wait a minute. Food trucks used to be just be for construction sites." Now they're cultural phenomenons. The reason you see food trucks everywhere on Earth- Ah ... is because this guy- Brilliant ... put Korean barbecue in a taco. He's the OG. Roy Choi. Wow. That's, that is- We should have him on because- That's a great story, and real entrepreneurship, and, and- Yeah ... and a work of art- Yeah ... that, that took, took over the world. We love a food truck. We love it because it's handy. It... Everyone is different. You can travel by going to a c- a collection of food trucks, which, you know, a place like Austin will, will, uh, take an old parking lot and put a, a ring of food trucks around it that's been curated. We have a Mexican one, we have a barbecue one, we have an Indian one, we have this, and you have a food festival. So why shouldn't f- uh, chefs be afraid of AI? Why shouldn't they be? You, you said that s- writers are under threat, musicians are under threat, painters are at a, under threat all because this AI can do what they do, so why not the chef? You said they're writers. Yes. They d- they, they write these recipes. Yes. So why not the AI give me a recipe for this kind of dish with these kinds of ingredients- Because the computerized restaurant could take their job away. If the truck can drive itself and the food can cook itself and serve itself to you, they're out of business. I don't think it'll ever happen. I hope not. But I'll tell y- for a very simple reason. Yeah? I want somebody to smile with me. Of course. There's a cookie place in New York City that I went to. Yeah. Everything's stark white and very futuristic- Uh-huh ... and it looks like some Woody Allen movie, you know? Yep, yeah. And, and, uh, and you go in, and you... s- there's a screen. You go bleep, bleep, bleep, and you say what kind of cookie you want, and the, y- this person in the back gets the order on a screen, and they prepare the cookie, and they put it in a bag, and then s- then just somebody hand... Don't e- I think they have... They just put it on the counter with your name on it. And the people... I was looking in the back, and the people in the back look so unhappy- Of course ... in a job. And it's not the job. It's not the m- m- mean, the, the, the, the, the m- the- There's no social connection ... it's not the mundaneness- Yeah ... of making a cookie and put it in a bag. Yeah, yeah. It's... What makes my job fun is I wanna talk to you and say hi- Yes ... and smile- Yes, yes ... and say thank you and say please. Yes, yes. Like, stupid little shit. And- Also, you know, a pretty girl might come in. And a pretty girl might come in. Or, or, or, or- But I think what'll happen is- Yeah ... people will demand it, and I think the w- the companies will always offer what the market demands. And so companies might be looking for all this way to eliminate people and eliminate this and eliminate that until the one person who starts the food truck, who says, "You know what? We're making our own food so that you can see who makes it, and we'll smile at you and hand it to you because you'll know that I made it with love." Yes. Then that's the one that's gonna have the line around the block, and all the other AI trucks- Yes ... are gonna put people in it because that's what the market demands. Unless one thing. Go. That's the best cookie you ever had in your life. No, I don't even think that's it. If a machine made that Basque cheesecake right now- Uh ... right, that we just had- All right, all right. You win. [laughs] You'd still love that cheesecake, right? I love the story that goes with the cheesecake. Of course we do. I've got the story of the chef, my friend Will. Of course, and it's... I always say the story makes it taste better. I really believe that. And if Grandma smiles at me while she's giving me her, you know, beautiful pasta in Italy, I'm in love with the whole thing. I'll go this far. I asked Thomas Keller, 'cause I, I have a podcast too. You'll come on mine. Please. It's called, it's called Naked Lunch, and we eat every time. I only eat with you. [laughs] Thomas Keller came and did the- Yeah. And I said, "Do you have advice for me for the diner?" Mm-hmm. And you know what he said the number one thing... What do you think it was? What? Well, you wanna guess? Great staff. That's it. Service. Service. That's everything. Yeah. Especially for a diner. You want a warm, cozy hug of a place. Yeah. The food has to be good, or you're out of business. Bad s- or bad service- Yeah ... bad service can ruin good food. Of course it can. And great service enhances- Of course ... mediocre food. And you fall- And if you've got both, you're a winner ... and if you fall in love with the people in the place- Yeah ... you're a customer. You're, you're coming back. You're coming back. Right? We all wanna be accepted. And that's why I think we're safe from AI taking over the world, is because fundamentally people want human beings, and they wanna feel loved, and they wanna feel held. They wanna look somebody in the eye. You know what everybody wants? A hug. Absolutely. A, a, a metaphorical hug of, of s- good service- Well, I- ... or a literal hug. You know as well as I do- I give those out in the show ... you know as well as I do that if your staff is amazing and a customer comes in, they will hug the staff. The regulars will get hugs because that's how people are. Yes, yes, yes. It's, it's vital. AI will never take that away, but they could take away a lot. So we... You kind of... I think, yes, but I think ag- again, it goes back to the Beyoncé challenge, which is the enterprising ones- Will figure it out ... will figure it out. The enterprising ones will, will be able to put their finger on the zeitgeist and say, "You know what? I can't make money on an album anymore." Yeah. "But the album is my marketing tool for my tour." Right. "I'm gonna do the best tours of anybody-" Right "... the best concerts of anybody." Right. "And instead of slaving away-"

    2. SSSimon Sinek1:00:48

       ... trying to market my album.

    3. PRPhil Rosenthal1:00:49

       Yeah.

    4. SSSimon Sinek1:00:50

       I'm gonna slave away making the best tour I can make.

    5. PRPhil Rosenthal1:00:53

       Right.

    6. SSSimon Sinek1:00:53

       And I think it just changes the energy and it changes the model. And so because we're in a period of flux right now-

    7. PRPhil Rosenthal1:00:58

       Uh-huh

    8. SSSimon Sinek1:00:58

       ... the people with the old business models that can't imagine new business models are the ones screaming the death of everything.

    9. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:04

       Right.

    10. SSSimon Sinek1:01:04

        For good reason, it's gonna be young people-

    11. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:06

        Yeah

    12. SSSimon Sinek1:01:06

        ... or really enterprising experienced people. But young people who, who are not encumbered by the old business models will be the ones figuring out the new model.

    13. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:14

        Yeah. Listen, it's always been-

    14. SSSimon Sinek1:01:15

        Or the truck

    15. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:16

        ... a, a small set of people who make the, the most out of the business. There's only one Tom Hanks, right? There's only, there's very few giant movie stars. And the kid that I described who talks into his phone and pushes a button and a movie comes out-

    16. SSSimon Sinek1:01:32

        Yeah

    17. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:33

        ... the kid who's best at that will be the new Tom Hanks.

    18. SSSimon Sinek1:01:36

        Yeah. He, I, I was walking down Hollywood Boulevard-

    19. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:40

        Yeah

    20. SSSimon Sinek1:01:40

        ... and I'm looking at all the stars of all the famous people.

    21. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:42

        Yes.

    22. SSSimon Sinek1:01:42

        And I didn't know most of them.

    23. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:44

        Yeah, well-

    24. SSSimon Sinek1:01:44

        Because everybody gets forgotten. And so-

    25. PRPhil Rosenthal1:01:46

        Hey, thanks, Simon. This is so uplifting.

    26. SSSimon Sinek1:01:49

        [laughs] I, I guarantee you my, my niece doesn't know who Arnold Schwarzenegger is. You know, I'm pretty confident my niece doesn't know who Ray Romano is. And it's no disrespect to anything you or Ray did, it's just like time goes forwards, which is why you're doing-

    27. PRPhil Rosenthal1:02:01

        Of course

    28. SSSimon Sinek1:02:02

        ... new things.

    29. PRPhil Rosenthal1:02:03

        Uh, you have to do new things.

    30. SSSimon Sinek1:02:05

        Uh, you're like the Larry David of the Ray Romano show, which is-
14. 1:03:29 – 1:07:20

    Why 'Somebody Feed Phil' works: character, discomfort, and changed habits

    1. SSSimon Sinek1:03:29

       Yeah. All right. I'm gonna [laughs] I have a couple questions here for you. You created Everybody Loves Raymond.

    2. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:34

       Mm-hmm.

    3. SSSimon Sinek1:03:34

       And Somebody Feed Phil.

    4. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:35

       Mm-hmm.

    5. SSSimon Sinek1:03:36

       It's always got some name in it to give to that, to, to, to do something with Raymond-

    6. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:39

       That was on purpose

    7. SSSimon Sinek1:03:40

       ... do something with Phil.

    8. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:40

       Yeah.

    9. SSSimon Sinek1:03:41

       So what would you name my show?

    10. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:43

        Oh.

    11. SSSimon Sinek1:03:44

        If it's not The Optimism, a little bit of optimism. It's a bit of, that's the name of our show. It's A Bit of Optimism. [laughs]

    12. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:49

        Somebody Talk to Simon.

    13. SSSimon Sinek1:03:51

        [laughs] So, it's so lonely.

    14. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:54

        [laughs] By the way, Somebody Feed Phil, d- I, the reason I love that title and chose-

    15. SSSimon Sinek1:03:59

        It's good

    16. PRPhil Rosenthal1:03:59

        ... that title is because it denotes someone who can't take care of himself.

    17. SSSimon Sinek1:04:03

        Right.

    18. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:03

        So right away it's specific character.

    19. SSSimon Sinek1:04:05

        Right.

    20. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:06

        That's me.

    21. SSSimon Sinek1:04:07

        Right.

    22. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:07

        I can't cook. Somebody better feed Phil because otherwise Phil will die. [laughs]

    23. SSSimon Sinek1:04:14

        Poor you.

    24. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:15

        And I have my brother who produces the show with me.

    25. SSSimon Sinek1:04:19

        Mm-hmm.

    26. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:19

        And so he runs the show while I'm the monkey in the middle.

    27. SSSimon Sinek1:04:22

        Mm-hmm.

    28. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:22

        And he pushes me out of my comfort zone because he thinks that'll be entertaining for people. I fight him every step of the way. And every time I do the thing that I did not want to do, it was worth doing.

    29. SSSimon Sinek1:04:34

        Like?

    30. PRPhil Rosenthal1:04:35

        Jumping in the cold water off the Irish coast.
15. 1:07:20 – 1:10:19

    Gratitude vs. luck—and ending with generosity

    1. SSSimon Sinek1:07:20

       Yeah. You are wonderful.

    2. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:22

       [laughs]

    3. SSSimon Sinek1:07:22

       You ha- you, you are the personification of joie de vivre.

    4. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:25

       I, I am, I am-

    5. SSSimon Sinek1:07:26

       You love, you love life

    6. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:28

       ... because I feel very, very lucky. I know not everybody gets to live their dream.

    7. SSSimon Sinek1:07:34

       Yeah.

    8. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:34

       And I'm not discounting that I had to work hard to get it, but I know how lucky I am, and that informs everything I do. So when you start with that plateau of gratitude, right?

    9. SSSimon Sinek1:07:46

       I think, but-

    10. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:46

        A baseline

    11. SSSimon Sinek1:07:46

        ... but I think, but the, there's a difference there, and you just said it.

    12. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:49

        Yeah, yeah.

    13. SSSimon Sinek1:07:49

        The plateau of gratitude is-

    14. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:51

        Yeah

    15. SSSimon Sinek1:07:51

        ... not the plateau of luck. You said, "I'm lucky." You're not. You're grateful. There's a difference. Lucky is winning a lottery.

    16. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:57

        I did.

    17. SSSimon Sinek1:07:58

        Right?

    18. PRPhil Rosenthal1:07:58

        I did.

    19. SSSimon Sinek1:07:59

        You did, you did. Y- yes, okay.

    20. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:01

        You have to be lucky.

    21. SSSimon Sinek1:08:02

        I agree, and we-

    22. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:03

        And once you are lucky enough to be lucky-

    23. SSSimon Sinek1:08:05

        And I'm not ma-

    24. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:05

        ... you must be grateful for that luck

    25. SSSimon Sinek1:08:06

        ... and I'm not making the case, oh, you worked hard for it. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what, I think there's something to be s- when somebody has something that others don't get to have-

    26. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:15

        Mm-hmm

    27. SSSimon Sinek1:08:15

        ... I don't think we want to think of you as lucky. But we want to know that if you have something that I either want or crave or look up to-

    28. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:24

        That you appreciate it

    29. SSSimon Sinek1:08:25

        ... I just wanna know that you appreciate it. I feel lucky. Don't get me wrong. I feel lucky for everything that I've had, and I know luck played a huge part, and timing played a huge part.

    30. PRPhil Rosenthal1:08:33

        Sure.

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