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Your Unhappy Brain Needs Some Assistance with happiness expert Mo Gawdat | A Bit of Optimism Podcast

Happiness is a choice. But it’s not always an easy choice to make. Mo Gawdat had to face an impossible choice. Before he was a bestselling author and podcast host, Mo worked a lucrative career as Chief Business Officer at Google X. He reached the heights of business influence and amassed a fortune by 29. And yet, he was miserable. It was only after the tragic death of his 21-year-old son Ali that Mo was forced to confront the truth. Mo now dedicates his life, work, and research to figuring out how human beings can be happier, and he’s on a mission to make 1 billion people happy. He sat down with me to share what he’s learned – that happiness is both a choice and our default setting, how to trick our brains out of survival mode, and why the happiest emotions we feel are rooted in the present, not the past or future. This…is A Bit of Optimism. To learn more about Mo and his work, check out: http://mogawdat.com/ @MoGawdatOfficial --------------------------- This episode is brought to you by True Classic! I really love their T-shirts, so we called them up and asked if they wanted to work together. And they said yes! Check out their clothes at: http://trueclassictees.com/ --------------------------- ⏰ Timestamps 0:35 An intro to Mo Gawdat 1:50 A deep start - opposing feelings 4:16 Ali's story 20:58 Money and happiness 25:18 Money Is just a symbol 27:08 Be aware that life comes in seasons 34:34 True Classic: An ad with authenticity 36:10 Tragedy is a nudge 39:13 Happiness is a choice 45:08 Challenge vs. privilege 53:49 How to practice happiness 55:55 Remove unhappiness 57:32 Nothing external brings you happiness 1:01:51 How to trick an unhappy brain 1:04:44 A little secret to life 1:06:38 The root of unhappiness 1:10:43 The art of doing nothing 1:13:52 Mini silent retreats 1:22:31 Mo’s happiness mission—1 billion happy + + + Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together. Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do. Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game. + + + Website: http://simonsinek.com/ Live Online Classes: https://simonsinek.com/classes/ Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/ Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek Simon’s books: The Infinite Game: https://simonsinek.com/books/the-infinite-game/ Start With Why: https://simonsinek.com/books/start-with-why/ Find Your Why: https://simonsinek.com/books/find-your-why/ Leaders Eat Last: https://simonsinek.com/books/leaders-eat-last/ Together is Better: https://simonsinek.com/books/together-is-better/ + + + #SimonSinek

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Jun 23, 20251h 32mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Mo Gawdat’s practical roadmap to happiness by removing unhappiness daily

  1. Mo Gawdat argues happiness is our default setting and is recovered by removing sources of unhappiness rather than adding external rewards.
  2. The conversation uses Mo’s grief after his son Ali’s death to illustrate how tragedy can force a “season change” and a re-evaluation of priorities, meaning, and identity.
  3. They challenge simplistic slogans about money by reframing wealth as a symbol and a “problem of privilege,” emphasizing sufficiency, context, and giving as a path to joy.
  4. Mo offers concrete practices—weekly reflection, stress inventory, expectation-setting, and “tricking” the brain into finding positives—to counter negativity bias and rumination.
  5. Both highlight presence and “negative space” (doing nothing, silence, attention to small moments) as essential to slowing perceived time and reducing mind-made suffering.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat happiness as a default you return to, not a prize you earn.

Mo claims we start life “unboxed” as happy; adulthood layers on cynicism, rumination, and mismatched desires. The practical implication is to stop chasing new external additions and instead identify what’s obscuring baseline wellbeing.

Use a “negation strategy”: remove unhappiness before trying to add happiness.

Instead of listing what you think will make you happy, list what reliably stresses you and systematically reduce it. Mo’s Saturday routine operationalizes this by turning stressors into either boundaries, conversations, or action items.

Happiness depends on the gap between life events and your expectations.

Mo frames unhappiness as arising when reality differs from what you want reality to be, emphasizing perception and desire as variables you can influence. This reframes many triggers (traffic, delays, mistakes) as expectation problems rather than “life problems.”

Train your brain to find positives on demand to counter negativity bias.

Because the brain is optimized for threat-detection, it defaults to “what’s wrong.” Mo’s method is to ask “What’s good about this?”—and escalate from one positive to nine—to force cognitive flexibility and gratitude in real time.

Presence reduces suffering because most negative emotions are past/future anchored.

Mo argues regret (past) and anxiety (future) dominate negative states, while calm and joy live in the present. Paying close attention to ordinary moments (e.g., making coffee) becomes a repeatable gateway back to “now.”

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you understand that your default setting is happy… there is nothing you need to bring from outside you to find happiness. You need to remove shit to be happy.

Mo Gawdat

Death is the opposite of birth. It is not the opposite of life.

Mo Gawdat

The gravity of the battle means nothing to those at peace.

Mo Gawdat (quoting Ali’s tattoo)

Your happiness is equal to or greater than the difference between the events of your life… and your hopes and desires and wishes of how life should be.

Mo Gawdat

Every minute you live fully… registers as a moment of life. Every minute you live inside your head is a moment you’ll never remember.

Mo Gawdat

Ali’s death and meaning-making through griefHolding paradox and opposing emotionsMoney, sufficiency, and wealth as a symbolSeasons of life and identity updatesNegation strategy: remove unhappinessExpectations vs. reality as the happiness equationPresence, silence, and negative spaceBrain as survival machine and negativity biasSaturday reflection practice and stress stock-taking‘Meet Becky’ brain-dump techniqueMini silent retreats and doing nothingMission vs target: One Billion Happy

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