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Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance | Angela Duckworth | Talks at Google

Author Angela Duckworth visited Google's office in NYC to discuss her book, "Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance" with Ben Fried, Google's CIO and Site Lead in NYC.

Ben FriedhostAngela Duckworthguest
May 6, 201651mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Grit over talent: deliberate practice, culture, and choosing what to pursue

  1. Angela Duckworth distinguishes talent from grit, defining talent as the rate of skill improvement with effort while emphasizing that persistence and daily discipline are essential for high achievement.
  2. She explains deliberate practice as highly specific, fully focused work with rapid feedback and iterative refinement, contrasting it with routine practice that doesn’t drive improvement.
  3. She argues that leaders and managers function like “parents” in organizations by modeling character and pairing demanding standards with genuine support to develop people.
  4. Duckworth says grit is challenging to measure well because self-reports are fakable and culturally biased by comparison standards, so she cautions against using the grit scale for high-stakes decisions like hiring.
  5. In Q&A, she discusses how people find what to be gritty about (interest plus purpose plus realism), how quitting can be part of exploration, and how strong cultural identity can reinforce perseverance.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Talent helps, but it doesn’t guarantee follow-through or excellence.

She argues talent matters, but it’s not enough: highly talented people may not persist, and top achievement typically comes from showing up consistently and doing the unglamorous work of getting better.

Improvement requires deliberate practice, not just time spent repeating an activity.

She describes deliberate practice as having a precise improvement goal (often targeting weaknesses), full concentration, immediate/information-rich feedback, and repeated refinement; she contrasts this with her own “same route + podcasts + no feedback” running that didn’t improve performance.

Leadership drives growth through role-modeling plus demanding-and-supportive coaching.

She says great leaders shape culture by being constantly observed, modeling the character they want others to emulate, and combining high standards (“not good enough—redo it”) with genuine care and support—similar to demanding, supportive parenting.

Excellence is built on frequent failure and learning, not a polished “talent” illusion.

She shares that she sends her lab negative peer reviews and rejections to demystify excellence, emphasizing that high achievers fail often and use failure as information that ultimately contributes to achievement.

Grit is hard to measure cleanly; the grit scale shouldn’t be used to hire.

She says grit measurement is less mature than IQ testing: self-report grit scores are easy to fake and are distorted by “frame of reference” comparisons (e.g., students in high-standard environments rate themselves differently). She warns against using the grit scale for high-stakes selection decisions.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Talent is the rate at which you increase in your skill with effort.

— Angela Duckworth

Talent is no guarantee of actually showing up and finishing the things that you start.

— Angela Duckworth

I think a lot of my work is about demystifying things like excellence, right? You know, people who succeed fail all the time. In fact, I think they fail more than anyone else.

— Angela Duckworth

It’s always a movie, and it’s a long movie.

— Angela Duckworth

I was only quitting those things so that I could find something that I would never wanna quit.

— Angela Duckworth

Read the available transcript
Talent vs. gritKaizen and daily disciplineDeliberate practice: goals, focus, feedback, refinementLeadership as modeling plus demanding/supportive coachingFailure and rejection as learning signalsMeasuring grit: faking and frame-of-reference biasHiring signals: resumes, triangulation, performance tasks vs. interviews

SPEAKERS

  • Ben Fried

    host

    Google executive (CIO) who moderates Talks at Google sessions.

  • Angela Duckworth

    guest

    Psychologist and researcher on grit; author of "Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance" (University of Pennsylvania).

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