2024 New Year’s Resolutions, AI Upheavel, & Much More! | The Random Show (4K)

1. 0:00 – 0:14

   Intro

   1. TFTim Ferriss0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:14 – 6:04

   Tequila disclosures and investment discourse.

   1. TFTim Ferriss0:15

      Kev Kev, good to see you, man.

   2. KRKevin Rose0:16

      Tim Tim.

   3. TFTim Ferriss0:17

      Look at this.

   4. KRKevin Rose0:18

      In the flesh.

   5. TFTim Ferriss0:19

      In the flesh, like grownups.

   6. KRKevin Rose0:20

      I know. Cheers.

   7. TFTim Ferriss0:20

      Sitting at a table in Austin.

   8. KRKevin Rose0:22

      Cheers, man.

   9. TFTim Ferriss0:23

      Look at this.

   10. KRKevin Rose0:23

       We're together.

   11. TFTim Ferriss0:24

       Yeah.

   12. KRKevin Rose0:24

       Love it. Happy holidays.

   13. TFTim Ferriss0:25

       Happy holidays. Happy early New Year's, I suppose.

   14. KRKevin Rose0:31

       Was I supposed to shoot that?

   15. TFTim Ferriss0:32

       No.

   16. KRKevin Rose0:33

       Sip it. It's quite good. Th- that's sipping.

   17. TFTim Ferriss0:35

       This is sipping.

   18. KRKevin Rose0:35

       Yeah.

   19. TFTim Ferriss0:36

       Yeah. So this is something that I've had on previous random shows, but I don't think I've talked about it too much.

   20. KRKevin Rose0:41

       Mm.

   21. TFTim Ferriss0:42

       This is Lalo Tequila, and Lalo Tequila, full disclosure, it's my first and only alcohol-related investment. I was first introduced to this at a fantastic restaurant here in Austin called Suerte. Excellent restaurant, and-

   22. KRKevin Rose0:59

       I feel like you've talked about this place before.

   23. TFTim Ferriss1:00

       It's great. It's-

   24. KRKevin Rose1:01

       Maybe I should go there tonight

   25. TFTim Ferriss1:02

       ... an excellent restaurant.

   26. KRKevin Rose1:03

       Is it hard to get in or no?

   27. TFTim Ferriss1:05

       Not too, not too bad.

   28. KRKevin Rose1:06

       Okay.

   29. TFTim Ferriss1:06

       And there is typically some walk-in available.

   30. KRKevin Rose1:09

       Okay.
3. 6:04 – 14:17

   Startup advisor considerations.

   1. TFTim Ferriss6:04

      I saw a shirt at a climbing gym yesterday which said, "No solutions, only trade-offs," and I was like, "That is actually pretty interesting to sit with." But on the advising front, because that's really what we're talking about, right? Where can people learn more about that? Because I used to point people, and maybe this is still a good reference, it's a little dated, but Venture Hacks used to have a bunch-

   2. KRKevin Rose6:24

      Yeah

   3. TFTim Ferriss6:24

      ... on advisors and super advisors. This is worth unpacking a little bit for folks. So if you look at, for instance, my track record, the vast majority of my lifetime earnings in startups have actually come from advising.

   4. KRKevin Rose6:41

      Mm.

   5. TFTim Ferriss6:42

      And that's not to say that it's easy. That's not to say that times haven't changed, because certainly times have changed since 2008, 2009, 2010. But if you have a skill, or you have a network, or you have a platform, there are times when it will be appealing for both you and for a startup to have some type of trade for equity.

   6. KRKevin Rose7:03

      Right.

   7. TFTim Ferriss7:04

      And Sacca used to be fantastic at this before, before he became the Chris Sacca in marquee lights that we know and love today.

   8. KRKevin Rose7:12

      Yeah.

   9. TFTim Ferriss7:13

      And taught me a lot about this. But you might look for, let's just say, I don't know how the landscape has changed. You could, you could probably speak to this, but say .2 per f- .25%, right? So-

   10. KRKevin Rose7:27

       It's early

   11. TFTim Ferriss7:27

       ... yeah, like a quarter point early.

   12. KRKevin Rose7:29

       It means you're seeing the company pretty early.

   13. TFTim Ferriss7:30

       Super early.

   14. KRKevin Rose7:31

       Yeah.

   15. TFTim Ferriss7:31

       And the way that that's de-risked for the company, or one way that that can be deris- de-risked, is that it vests over a course of, say, two years.

   16. KRKevin Rose7:40

       Right.

   17. TFTim Ferriss7:40

       So on every quarter, a percentage of that basically becomes yours.

   18. KRKevin Rose7:47

       Yeah.

   19. TFTim Ferriss7:47

       And the company can cancel at any time.

   20. KRKevin Rose7:50

       Yeah.

   21. TFTim Ferriss7:50

       And that allows them, in a sense, to kinda try before they fully buy.

   22. KRKevin Rose7:54

       Right.

   23. TFTim Ferriss7:55

       Right? They get to see what-

   24. KRKevin Rose7:56

       Yeah

   25. TFTim Ferriss7:56

       ... results you can deliver. Any other thoughts on folks? Or thoughts on folks? Jesus [laughs] .

   26. KRKevin Rose8:00

       No. We're one sip in. So-

   27. TFTim Ferriss8:02

       Well, I, this is related to, to caffeine, which we're gonna come back to at some point

   28. KRKevin Rose8:05

       ... so it's important to remember that every company that's out there, private company, when they're forming and putting together their cap table, like their list of investors, employees, all of that, they put together something called an options pool, which is a percentage of the company that is used to incentivize those employees to work there. And so when you join a company, you get X number of options, and you earn them over, say, typically three to four years.

   29. TFTim Ferriss8:28

       Mm-hmm.

   30. KRKevin Rose8:28

       A part of that, most founders will set aside for advisors. And so these are people that n- are not compensated with money, but rather just stock. And so in my mind, what I always do when I'm f- forming a new company is I say, "Okay, I'm gonna take 1%, and I'm gonna carve that into 10 roles. And then I'm gonna go out there and find the 10 most impactful people that I can possibly find to help me change the outcome of this, this company." And you offer them in a role, and you say, "Hey, no fancy strings attached." So I never say, "To be an advisor, you have to tw- tweet X number of times." Like, screw that. Like, you want it-
4. 14:17 – 15:53

   The hit rate of past New Year’s resolutions.

   1. TFTim Ferriss14:17

      January.

   2. KRKevin Rose14:18

      Yeah, January.

   3. TFTim Ferriss14:19

      Let's talk about January. We're coming up on the new year. How are you thinking about New Year’s resolutions-

   4. KRKevin Rose14:24

      Mm

   5. TFTim Ferriss14:24

      ... that type of thing?

   6. KRKevin Rose14:26

      Yeah, so we do this every year.

   7. TFTim Ferriss14:28

      [laughs] We do.

   8. KRKevin Rose14:29

      I don't even wanna go revisit our lists-

   9. TFTim Ferriss14:31

      [laughs]

   10. KRKevin Rose14:31

       ... 'cause I'm sure they're horrible. What do you think your hit rate is on, on your previous lists? You had it written down. Do you have your last list? Can you look at it?

   11. TFTim Ferriss14:37

       I don't have it in front of me right now. I would say that over the years I've become better. My hit rate is higher.

   12. KRKevin Rose14:44

       50%?

   13. TFTim Ferriss14:45

       Yeah, I would say it's 50%.

   14. KRKevin Rose14:46

       That's about me too.

   15. TFTim Ferriss14:47

       I'd say it's probably 50%.

   16. KRKevin Rose14:48

       Yeah.

   17. TFTim Ferriss14:49

       Which, hey, if that were startup investing, man, you'd be-

   18. KRKevin Rose14:51

       Yeah, you-

   19. TFTim Ferriss14:51

       ... best of the best, right?

   20. KRKevin Rose14:52

       Yeah.

   21. TFTim Ferriss14:52

       [laughs] But you also don't wanna set your resolutions like, "Brush my teeth three times a week." You don't wanna set the bar so low-

   22. KRKevin Rose15:00

       Right

   23. TFTim Ferriss15:00

       ... just for checking the box.

   24. KRKevin Rose15:01

       Right.

   25. TFTim Ferriss15:02

       Uh, so I would say it's 50%, maybe a bit more than 50%. I think this year they're simple enough that I could actually get to 100%.

   26. KRKevin Rose15:09

       Yes. Yes. That, that's exactly what I did. So this year for me, it's about less, but make sure I can try to get to 75 to 100% of them. So-

   27. TFTim Ferriss15:16

       All right

   28. KRKevin Rose15:17

       ... mine are really straightforward. Last year I went one month without drinking.

   29. TFTim Ferriss15:21

       Mm-hmm.

   30. KRKevin Rose15:21

       This year my therapist has told me, she's awesome, and, and she's like, she's like, "Oh, you made it a month." She's like, "Oh, cool, cool. Like, congrats. Everybody does that."
5. 15:53 – 18:33

   Henry Shukman’s new meditation app: The Way.

   1. KRKevin Rose15:53

      that trend. Uh, we can talk about Henry Shukman's new app too, which is gonna be-

   2. TFTim Ferriss15:57

      Mm-hmm

   3. KRKevin Rose15:57

      ... a big part of that. The Zen master that I study under is finally launching a new meditation app coming in January called The Way, and very excited to help him with that app, uh, in terms of, like, on the product side and just usability side. Obviously, he's doing all the content. I'm not involved in it, I'm just an investor in it, but, uh-

   4. TFTim Ferriss16:15

      Not involved in the content?

   5. KRKevin Rose16:16

      Not involved in content, right. Yeah, I'm not a Zen master. [laughs]

   6. TFTim Ferriss16:18

      You know, but you know, you've studied very seriously with Henry.

   7. KRKevin Rose16:21

      Yeah, for a few years now.

   8. TFTim Ferriss16:22

      You introduced us. He's been on this podcast-

   9. KRKevin Rose16:24

      Twice now

   10. TFTim Ferriss16:25

       ... twice.

   11. KRKevin Rose16:25

       Yeah.

   12. TFTim Ferriss16:25

       And they're very strong episodes, so I encourage people to check those out. What makes The Way different?

   13. KRKevin Rose16:31

       So the, the one thing about, you know, as an investor, uh, uh, so I'm a part-time VC 'cause I have this other, you know, NFT and art thing I'm, that I'm working on as well. As a VC over at True, we are looking for novel ideas, things that haven't been done before, and the meditation app market is just completely saturated.

   14. TFTim Ferriss16:51

       Saturated.

   15. KRKevin Rose16:51

       Like, there's n- there's... Who would wanna build an app in that space? It's like it's, there's, I mean, Calm's dominating, you know, Headspace dominating. Like, you know, Waking Up, fantastic app for more on the depth side. I would say Sam probably brings together the strongest group of teachers-

   16. TFTim Ferriss17:08

       Mm-hmm

   17. KRKevin Rose17:08

       ... I would say as a portfolio of meditation teachers.

   18. TFTim Ferriss17:10

       Like a university of meditation.

   19. KRKevin Rose17:12

       Yeah, exactly.

   20. TFTim Ferriss17:13

       Mm-hmm.

   21. KRKevin Rose17:13

       So Henry, his, his approach is like, you know, if you go into any of these other meditation apps, it's like a meditation for sleep, a meditation for anxiety, a meditation for this, three-minute meditation, two-minute meditation, 30-second meditation. You know, it's like it's all these different... Henry's like, he's very humble, but he's one of only, I think, three fully accredited Zen masters in his lineage of Zen in the United States, and he is bringing Zen, uh, a flavor of Zen mixed in with some other types of meditation, and his goal is, is simple. There's, it's, it's The Way. It's one path. There's, there's no choose your own adventure.

   22. TFTim Ferriss17:48

       It's not the-

   23. KRKevin Rose17:49

       It is like-

   24. TFTim Ferriss17:49

       It's, it's not the ways.

   25. KRKevin Rose17:51

       Yeah, it's not the ways. Right.

   26. TFTim Ferriss17:52

       [laughs]

   27. KRKevin Rose17:52

       There's, you can't branch off and do a body scan over here and then come back for a sleep meditation or a sleep story. Like, it's none of that. It is a singular path, and his goal is to lead you to some type of a awakening moment sometime in the future. So it's for those that are like, "Okay, I've tried the other meditation apps. I wanna go deep. I want, I wanna get really serious about this." So I can't tell you when it's gonna launch. They're in beta right now. I can tell you that thewayapp.com is gonna be the place where you can put in your email address, and they'll let you know when. You know what we can do for your show notes? Let's put a beta link-

   28. TFTim Ferriss18:25

       Great

   29. KRKevin Rose18:25

       ... 'cause I think you can have up to 1,000 testers.

   30. TFTim Ferriss18:28

       Perfect.
6. 18:33 – 20:08

   An overlooked advantage for the early investor.

   1. TFTim Ferriss18:33

      We'll put a beta link.

   2. KRKevin Rose18:33

      And, and you put a little bit of cash in too, which is great.

   3. TFTim Ferriss18:35

      I did, which was gonna be what I was gonna say next, which is this is my first investment in a meditation app, and my first- ... investment in any type of consumer app in a while, in fact, and that's based on my interactions-

   4. KRKevin Rose18:48

      So it's Evernote [laughs]

   5. TFTim Ferriss18:49

      You know, which wasn't n- I nece- that wasn't a bad thing. That was, that was certainly not, it didn't turn into the 1000x, you know, 10,000x return that I would like, but-

   6. KRKevin Rose19:00

      I gotta tell you, they've turned it around.

   7. TFTim Ferriss19:02

      Yeah

   8. KRKevin Rose19:02

      It's a good product again.

   9. TFTim Ferriss19:03

      It is a good product. I still use it, believe it or not, and-

   10. KRKevin Rose19:06

       Dude, I don't, this is actually on my, my, my list.

   11. TFTim Ferriss19:09

       Okay.

   12. KRKevin Rose19:09

       I mean, we'll get into that, but-

   13. TFTim Ferriss19:10

       Yeah

   14. KRKevin Rose19:10

       ... yeah, finish your thought. Sorry.

   15. TFTim Ferriss19:11

       Well, I was just gonna say that I learned so much about product, I learned so much about startups, I learned so much about scaling, what to do, what not to do, through my experience with that company, where I was an advisor, 'cause I didn't have the capital early on to really build out a large portfolio with cash alone. And I was able to request, this is not a small thing for me, I was able to make requests of product changes-

   16. KRKevin Rose19:37

       [laughs]

   17. TFTim Ferriss19:38

       ... directly [laughs]

   18. KRKevin Rose19:39

       It's amazing. That lifeline to the CEO.

   19. TFTim Ferriss19:41

       That lifeline to the CEO and to the product team. For me, selfishly, if I'm using an app every day, that makes a difference to my quality of life. So I, I do not regret it, and part of your calculus, if you're gonna be involved with early stage, has to be, I think, the assumption that the vast majority are not going to return what you hope they're gonna return. That's part-

   20. KRKevin Rose20:02

       Nine, nine out of 10 fail

   21. TFTim Ferriss20:03

       ... that's, that's just part of a power law of distribution. Great book, by the way, Power Law.

7. 20:08 – 23:38

   Saucelessness and second brains.

   1. TFTim Ferriss20:08

      So, New Year's resolutions, what are your-

   2. KRKevin Rose20:10

      Yeah. So, yeah

   3. TFTim Ferriss20:11

      ... what, what, what, what else do you have and, and do you have a date? I'm just gonna hold your feet to the fire a little bit. For your three months, have you decided on a start date?

   4. KRKevin Rose20:18

      Oh, so I've got... I'm gonna invite you to this. My, my birthday's in February.

   5. TFTim Ferriss20:22

      Uh-huh.

   6. KRKevin Rose20:23

      And you're invited. I, I got really lucky to get to know the artist SOHN, S-O-H-N.

   7. TFTim Ferriss20:28

      Mm-hmm.

   8. KRKevin Rose20:28

      Do you know SOHN at all?

   9. TFTim Ferriss20:29

      I don't.

   10. KRKevin Rose20:29

       Have you listened to his stuff? Oh, so good. So SOHN is become a n- a nice friend, and he agreed to come play my birthday party for, like, 30 people.

   11. TFTim Ferriss20:37

       Amazing.

   12. KRKevin Rose20:37

       And so he's gonna fly out. He's in Spain right now. He's gonna fly out and, and play, and I gotta have a couple drinks there. We're gonna have a little bartender. I gotta-

   13. TFTim Ferriss20:44

       [laughs] Yeah, that would be a... You'd be failing before you started-

   14. KRKevin Rose20:46

       Right [laughs] . Exactly

   15. TFTim Ferriss20:47

       ... if your, if your first day were the day before your birthday.

   16. KRKevin Rose20:50

       Yeah. After my birthday is when I'm gonna kick this off, so that'll be good. But yeah, so really quickly to hit on mine. So no drinks for three months, daily meditation, no brainer. I wanna organize my brain. I wanna, in, in digital form. And so this is what's really interesting. In the last three months, multiple note-taking apps have enabled AI.

   17. TFTim Ferriss21:10

       Mm-hmm.

   18. KRKevin Rose21:10

       And what they're doing now is they're saying, "Screw knowing where your notes are. Ask questions of your corpus of data."

   19. TFTim Ferriss21:19

       Mm-hmm.

   20. KRKevin Rose21:19

       So it's changing into a world where you can just enter all the data, enter all of Tim's brain into some place, and say, "Hey, what was that one note I had that one time when I was at that Mexican restaurant? And I think it was about cat beds." Like-

   21. TFTim Ferriss21:33

       [laughs]

   22. KRKevin Rose21:33

       ... and, and, and it will literally serve you up that note based on-

   23. TFTim Ferriss21:37

       Mm-hmm

   24. KRKevin Rose21:37

       ... the AI and, and its crawling abilities.

   25. TFTim Ferriss21:39

       Mm-hmm.

   26. KRKevin Rose21:39

       And I think that's just fascinating. So Notion has added that. There are three, you know, they call them second brain note-taking apps that, that, or really four that I'm considering. I'm still working through all of them to see which one I like the best. My candidates are Notion. Craft is amazing.

   27. TFTim Ferriss21:55

       Hmm.

   28. KRKevin Rose21:55

       Craft's a really beautiful note-taking app.

   29. TFTim Ferriss21:58

       Don't know Craft.

   30. KRKevin Rose21:59

       It's a little bit more about here's t- the current day, start taking notes, and then you can interconnect the notes and do all kinds of, of fun things there.
8. 23:38 – 30:37

   Protecting your phone’s collage of schwanzes.

   1. KRKevin Rose23:38

      yours?

   2. TFTim Ferriss23:38

      Mine are, and then I'm gonna come back. Don't worry, folks, it's not gonna consume the whole show, but I wanna ask you a question about AI. So I'll, I'll preload that in your head-

   3. KRKevin Rose23:47

      Okay

   4. TFTim Ferriss23:47

      ... which is, where do you think people will make, will compromise their privacy-

   5. KRKevin Rose23:53

      Mm-hmm

   6. TFTim Ferriss23:53

      ... because of really compelling convenience-

   7. KRKevin Rose23:57

      Mm-hmm

   8. TFTim Ferriss23:57

      ... where they might regret it?

   9. KRKevin Rose23:59

      Hmm.

   10. TFTim Ferriss23:59

       I'm just, like, where they might click yes in providing access where later they'll be like-

   11. KRKevin Rose24:04

       Hmm

   12. TFTim Ferriss24:04

       ... "Oh, I really shouldn't have done that." So that's-

   13. KRKevin Rose24:07

       I, I have two, two quick answers for that.

   14. TFTim Ferriss24:09

       Go for it.

   15. KRKevin Rose24:10

       One, I think is gonna be photos. People believe that don't ever click yes to all photo access, especially if you've got dick pics [laughs]

   16. TFTim Ferriss24:20

       [laughs] Oh, wow.

   17. KRKevin Rose24:22

       No, listen, I, I went there because a buddy of mine just got compromised last week.

   18. TFTim Ferriss24:25

       [laughs]

   19. KRKevin Rose24:26

       Look, I, I, I kid you not. I kid you not. So this is a true story. I'm not gonna say who. This is, I swear to you, Tim, this is a true story.

   20. TFTim Ferriss24:32

       [laughs]

   21. KRKevin Rose24:33

       My buddy got SIM-swapped.

   22. TFTim Ferriss24:36

       Okay.

   23. KRKevin Rose24:36

       Somebody took over his iCloud account.

   24. TFTim Ferriss24:38

       Uh-huh.

   25. KRKevin Rose24:39

       And he's got a very, and my wife knows this, so I can say this freely. He's got, he's got a very beautiful wife.

   26. TFTim Ferriss24:44

       Mm-hmm.

   27. KRKevin Rose24:45

       And, and, you know, he's a good-looking dude.

   28. TFTim Ferriss24:46

       Yeah.

   29. KRKevin Rose24:47

       He's, he's good. Like, yeah, solid B, you know?

   30. TFTim Ferriss24:49

       [laughs]
9. 30:37 – 35:56

   Privacy and liability concerns in an AI-guided world.

   1. KRKevin Rose30:37

      this is, this is actually really good tequila.

   2. TFTim Ferriss30:39

      It's really smooth. So on the AI front, real brief, and then-

   3. KRKevin Rose30:43

      Oh, we said photos was the one, one part. You asked what were the two places where, or what were the places where AI might compromise your data.

   4. TFTim Ferriss30:50

      Yes, so that's the first one.

   5. KRKevin Rose30:51

      Yeah, so I think photos would be the main thing, and then the second one would be just this idea of- These note-taking apps. Because if you're journaling, like for me, I, I have, you know, a fantastic therapist and I journal all of that, right? And so things like Obsidian, the reason I'm drawn to one, that one in particular is it's local only-

   6. TFTim Ferriss31:09

      Mm-hmm

   7. KRKevin Rose31:09

      ... so it only, it doesn't sync to the cloud, and when it does, it uses a local encrypted key so they, not even they can read your data.

   8. TFTim Ferriss31:16

      Mm-hmm.

   9. KRKevin Rose31:17

      I trust Notion, I trust ... But they, if, you know, someone were to compromise their key on their end, in theory, even though the data is encrypted at rest, meaning like when it's not being used, it's encrypted on their hard drives, is still a potential vulnerability there. So that, that does ... But at the end of the day, if someone really wants to read my therapy notes, like whatever, you know?

   10. TFTim Ferriss31:36

       Yeah.

   11. KRKevin Rose31:36

       We live in a world where you can just be like, "Ah, someone made that up." [laughs]

   12. TFTim Ferriss31:40

       [laughs] Yeah, there's a lot of, there's, there's a whole new world of plausible deniability-

   13. KRKevin Rose31:44

       Yeah

   14. TFTim Ferriss31:44

       ... with AI, and there's a whole new world of exploits too.

   15. KRKevin Rose31:47

       Yeah.

   16. TFTim Ferriss31:47

       Wild. On the AI side, for people who might be curious, I've actually, not on my personal notes, but we have trained, or I should say rather Automattic, which runs WordPress.com, and I rely on their enterprise side of things for all of my websites, they have an AI feature and they've trained this AI on all of my transcripts.

   17. KRKevin Rose32:09

       Hmm.

   18. TFTim Ferriss32:09

       So if you want to ask questions of 700 or so transcripts of the Tim Ferriss Show, you can do that.

   19. KRKevin Rose32:17

       Yep.

   20. TFTim Ferriss32:17

       The results in a lot of cases are surprisingly good.

   21. KRKevin Rose32:21

       There, there's several startups working on this.

   22. TFTim Ferriss32:23

       Yeah.

   23. KRKevin Rose32:23

       I, I saw one that actually indexed your show, and if you ask a question of it, will return the clip in which you said-

   24. TFTim Ferriss32:31

       Mm-hmm

   25. KRKevin Rose32:32

       ... the, the answer to it, which is amazing.

   26. TFTim Ferriss32:34

       I've seen this.

   27. KRKevin Rose32:34

       Y- I was thinking the other day about, you know, a, a great startup that I don't have the time to build would be a podcast app that, imagine this world and tell me if this is interesting to you. So it trains on all of your data.

   28. TFTim Ferriss32:48

       Mm-hmm.

   29. KRKevin Rose32:48

       I'm listening to Tim Ferriss Show. I'm halfway through an episode.

   30. TFTim Ferriss32:50

       Mm-hmm.
10. 35:56 – 41:46

    Minimalist delegation, foot faults, and surrender.

    1. TFTim Ferriss35:56

       Coming back to New Year's resolutions.

    2. KRKevin Rose35:58

       Yeah.

    3. TFTim Ferriss35:59

       We had a nice big boomerang on that. Mine are, I would say simple, not necessarily easy, as is true with a lot of things. The first is minimalist delegation, and what that means to me is delegating the why and the who, but not necessarily the, the how. So I think my predisposition is to be very detailed when I delegate various types-

    4. KRKevin Rose36:26

       Hmm

    5. TFTim Ferriss36:26

       ... of tasks or projects.

    6. KRKevin Rose36:28

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TFTim Ferriss36:29

       In other words, what I would like to do more of is here is v- at the simplest level, five words of what I wanna do.

    8. KRKevin Rose36:38

       Mm-hmm.

    9. TFTim Ferriss36:39

       Figure it out.

    10. KRKevin Rose36:39

        Right.

    11. TFTim Ferriss36:40

        And you can handle all the specifics. You should know that we should have at least three bids if we're putting something out-

    12. KRKevin Rose36:46

        Right

    13. TFTim Ferriss36:46

        ... that's expensive, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. But to really take my hands off the wheel in terms of over-prescribing the details-

    14. KRKevin Rose36:54

        Yeah

    15. TFTim Ferriss36:54

        ... which I, which I have a tendency to do because-

    16. KRKevin Rose36:56

        Right

    17. TFTim Ferriss36:56

        ... my, my mind is very detail focused. I'm very meticulous. But I've found that more often than not- I can point to examples of where I'm providing too much-

    18. KRKevin Rose37:06

        Yes

    19. TFTim Ferriss37:06

        ... step-by-step detail, and also people who receive that in some cases feel like they're being micromanaged.

    20. KRKevin Rose37:12

        Not only that, they're not building the muscle.

    21. TFTim Ferriss37:14

        Exactly.

    22. KRKevin Rose37:15

        Because they, they-

    23. TFTim Ferriss37:15

        The confidence

    24. KRKevin Rose37:16

        ... they need to understand where, th- and the only way they can kind of build that muscle around who you are and what you want is by making mistakes-

    25. TFTim Ferriss37:23

        Mm-hmm

    26. KRKevin Rose37:23

        ... and you saying, "Hey, I would've done it this way a little bit differently because of X, Y, and Z," and then they learn from that mistake versus you just prescribing. And it saves you a shit ton of time.

    27. TFTim Ferriss37:31

        It saves a ton of time. So what I'm, what I'm experimenting with, and I've already started doing this, and I think I've made a lot of progress, is say less. [laughs] Say less and be available for questions, but otherwise make it clear that there's a certain degree of wiggle room-

    28. KRKevin Rose37:50

        Yeah

    29. TFTim Ferriss37:50

        ... and space for errors that is okay. A-

    30. KRKevin Rose37:53

        So when your admin walks in, you say, "Sandwich."
11. 41:46 – 46:55

    Quick, creative collaborations.

    1. TFTim Ferriss41:46

       we're gonna talk about it. So quick creative collaborations. This is an area where you have seen me actually kick the tires quite a bit in the last year with Cockpunch. [laughs] Which by the way, there's a ton coming with that, uh, which is gonna be a big surprise to a lot of people, but I have done a num-

    2. KRKevin Rose42:04

       Buy Cockpunch.

    3. TFTim Ferriss42:05

       [laughs]

    4. KRKevin Rose42:05

       I'm taking notes real quick here. Buy NFTs, Tim Ferriss Cockpunch.

    5. TFTim Ferriss42:10

       That's right.

    6. KRKevin Rose42:11

       [laughs]

    7. TFTim Ferriss42:11

       Hashtag, hashtag-

    8. KRKevin Rose42:13

       Financial advice

    9. TFTim Ferriss42:14

       ... to, to the moon. No, not financial advice. Jesus. Oh, that was AI talking. I didn't say that.

    10. KRKevin Rose42:19

        [laughs]

    11. TFTim Ferriss42:20

        In the process, I mean, using this NFT project way back in the day, which is when it launched in December of 2022, I guess, as a vehicle through which to do creative experiments, right?

    12. KRKevin Rose42:33

        Mm-hmm.

    13. TFTim Ferriss42:33

        An emergent long fiction, that was kinda the whole point. I've walked the, walked the talk in the sense that since then, and a lot of this has been invisible, but it, it will soon be visible. I've done creative sprints in, say, upstate New York with some of the top D&D and Magic: The Gathering artists. Or I should say people who have done amazing, iconic work for those brands-

    14. KRKevin Rose42:54

        Yeah

    15. TFTim Ferriss42:54

        ... doing character design and concept art.

    16. KRKevin Rose42:57

        How's it felt to you?

    17. TFTim Ferriss42:59

        It was so much fun. It was so much fun, and I have had this narrative that I'm a better I see, right? In- individual contributor. I'm better as-

    18. KRKevin Rose43:08

        Mm

    19. TFTim Ferriss43:08

        ... a solo operator.

    20. KRKevin Rose43:09

        Mm.

    21. TFTim Ferriss43:09

        And that in, in some sense, I think because I've heard from some publishers and so on that I'm a bit of a problem author because I'm very, very, very unwilling to compromise quality. Like, I'm just, I am unwilling to compromise quality, and I'm very meticulous. And so if somebody's not on that same page, I'm a problem.

    22. KRKevin Rose43:28

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TFTim Ferriss43:29

        And so I developed this narrative that I was just prickly and difficult and didn't play well with others.

    24. KRKevin Rose43:34

        How much of that do you think is true? Have you d- ever done a 360 review?

    25. TFTim Ferriss43:38

        I have done a 360 review. The feedback doesn't usually... I wouldn't say it supports that narrative.

    26. KRKevin Rose43:43

        Mm.

    27. TFTim Ferriss43:44

        And in this particular case, gathered all these folks, had some writers as well, which I thought was gonna be harder than the art side, because I can, I can step back and say, "You are all much better at art than I am," but I have an identity as a writer. And it was great. I had two writers, three artists, and had an absolute blast. The output was spectacular, which I haven't made public yet. And that emboldened me to do more and more experiments.

    28. KRKevin Rose44:13

        Mm.

    29. TFTim Ferriss44:13

        And so I can't talk too much about it right now, but I am actually working on my first book project in seven years, eight years, and I'm doing it with a collaborator, which I thought I would never do in a million years.

    30. KRKevin Rose44:25

        Okay. Wait, you gotta give us a little more. Fiction, nonfiction, fantasy?
12. 46:55 – 54:34

    My post-holiday physical reboot.

    1. TFTim Ferriss46:55

       be doing more of. And then last on the physical reboot, it's, I have been such a piglet in the last month, and-

    2. KRKevin Rose47:03

       You're looking thick.

    3. TFTim Ferriss47:03

       [laughs] That's T-H-I-C-C, folks, looking thick. And [laughs] I am... I'm not in terrible shape.

    4. KRKevin Rose47:13

       No.

    5. TFTim Ferriss47:13

       But I am planning on continuing to be a little piggy for Christmas and the holidays, 'cause I'm gonna be home with family, and, like, I lo- look, I love butter cookies. I love gingerbread cookies. I'm not... This is kinda like you not committing to your three months before your birthday. That would be stupid.

    6. KRKevin Rose47:30

       Yeah.

    7. TFTim Ferriss47:31

       So I'm gonna be spending January, February in really intense outdoor training and skiing and ski touring and so on, so I'm not worried about burning off what I'm accumulating-

    8. KRKevin Rose47:41

       Yeah

    9. TFTim Ferriss47:41

       ... 'cause that's gonna happen, especially at high altitude.

    10. KRKevin Rose47:44

        I'm gonna try and visit you, by the way.

    11. TFTim Ferriss47:45

        Awesome.

    12. KRKevin Rose47:46

        January.

    13. TFTim Ferriss47:46

        That'll be-

    14. KRKevin Rose47:47

        Yeah

    15. TFTim Ferriss47:47

        ... fantastic. So the physical reboot is, is up there, and I'm optimistic about that because on the internal level, meaning biomarkers and so on, almost every biomarker is the best that it's been in, like, a decade-

    16. KRKevin Rose48:01

        Wow

    17. TFTim Ferriss48:02

        ... after the last year.

    18. KRKevin Rose48:03

        That is not me. That sounds amazing. [laughs]

    19. TFTim Ferriss48:06

        [laughs] Yeah, and some of that has been, uh, certainly physical practice, exercise. A lot of that has been dietary since I'm-

    20. KRKevin Rose48:13

        How's your, uh, ApoB?

    21. TFTim Ferriss48:15

        The best it's ever been.

    22. KRKevin Rose48:16

        How low?

    23. TFTim Ferriss48:17

        I can't recall offhand.

    24. KRKevin Rose48:17

        Okay.

    25. TFTim Ferriss48:18

        It's with, with, with-

    26. KRKevin Rose48:19

        20s or 30s?

    27. TFTim Ferriss48:20

        I mean, it's within the aggressive Attia-

    28. KRKevin Rose48:22

        Yeah

    29. TFTim Ferriss48:23

        ... target range.

    30. KRKevin Rose48:23

        AST, ALT fine?
13. 54:34 – 59:06

    Kevin’s physical reboot.

    1. KRKevin Rose54:34

       So I wanted to talk to you real quick about, you know, you s- you mentioned the physical body reboot. One of the things that all of my physicians, bougie to say all my physicians-

    2. TFTim Ferriss54:44

       [laughs]

    3. KRKevin Rose54:44

       My primary care physician-

    4. TFTim Ferriss54:46

       Te- tell us, President Obama

    5. KRKevin Rose54:47

       ... [laughs] has been, has been concerned about is I have slightly elevated blood pressure.

    6. TFTim Ferriss54:52

       Mm-hmm.

    7. KRKevin Rose54:52

       And it's not to the point where it's, uh, we, I should have it treated with m- medicine-

    8. TFTim Ferriss54:57

       Yeah

    9. KRKevin Rose54:57

       ... but, you know, there's breathing exercises you can do. There's a, a device called Resp Rate, which, uh, Peter Attia recommends.

    10. TFTim Ferriss55:03

        Hmm. I don't know it.

    11. KRKevin Rose55:04

        Yeah, it's fantastic. It hooks around, um, your chest. It's like a strap.

    12. TFTim Ferriss55:08

        Okay.

    13. KRKevin Rose55:08

        And then you put in some- ... ear pods that are connected to this device, and it walks you through a series of breathing exercises, and it's clinically proven to lower your blood pressure.

    14. TFTim Ferriss55:17

        Hmm.

    15. KRKevin Rose55:17

        So Attia recommends that as kind of first-line defense for-

    16. TFTim Ferriss55:19

        Nice

    17. KRKevin Rose55:19

        ... slightly elevated blood pressure.

    18. TFTim Ferriss55:21

        Mm-hmm.

    19. KRKevin Rose55:21

        There is a device that is approved in the UK and the EU, and it's called Aktiia, and it's a horrible name.

    20. TFTim Ferriss55:29

        What? [laughs]

    21. KRKevin Rose55:30

        It is Ak- Aktiia.

    22. TFTim Ferriss55:32

        [laughs]

    23. KRKevin Rose55:32

        Not Attia.

    24. TFTim Ferriss55:33

        They're gonna get a cease and desist-

    25. KRKevin Rose55:34

        Yeah, a cease and desist from Attia

    26. TFTim Ferriss55:35

        ... from Attia. [laughs]

    27. KRKevin Rose55:36

        Yeah, so it's A k- A-K-T-I-I-A.

    28. TFTim Ferriss55:39

        Oh, okay.

    29. KRKevin Rose55:39

        I'm wearing it on my wrist right now.

    30. TFTim Ferriss55:40

        Okay.
14. 59:06 – 1:12:34

    Taking a break from caffeine, alcohol, sex, and sweetness.

    1. KRKevin Rose59:06

       Sorry, I was enjoying that

    2. TFTim Ferriss59:07

       ... taking breaks from stuff, because I have kind of a wild story, which I don't think we've talked about at all. I have a number of wild stories.

    3. KRKevin Rose59:15

       Oh, yeah. I got one big one for today, but you got-

    4. TFTim Ferriss59:17

       You have a big-

    5. KRKevin Rose59:18

       Yeah

    6. TFTim Ferriss59:18

       ... you have a big one, too, and I think these are gonna be interrelated-

    7. KRKevin Rose59:21

       All right

    8. TFTim Ferriss59:21

       ... in a sense. I'll piggyback half of it after what I believe you're gonna share. But I took a month off of caffeine, anything caffeinated, which was the first-

    9. KRKevin Rose59:33

       Cold turkey?

    10. TFTim Ferriss59:34

        Cold turkey, which was the-

    11. KRKevin Rose59:35

        Oof

    12. TFTim Ferriss59:35

        ... first time I've done that s- probably I would have to imagine since I was, what, 16?

    13. KRKevin Rose59:40

        Whoa.

    14. TFTim Ferriss59:40

        I mean, it's been forever.

    15. KRKevin Rose59:41

        Let me ask you a question here.

    16. TFTim Ferriss59:42

        Yeah.

    17. KRKevin Rose59:42

        Why, why would you do that cold turkey? Why not just do like, oh, a half a cup of coffee today, and then maybe a quarter cup a few days later? Like, why go... This is, like, the extreme Tim [laughs] where you're just-

    18. TFTim Ferriss59:51

        Well, it's-

    19. KRKevin Rose59:51

        Did you get headaches?

    20. TFTim Ferriss59:52

        It's extreme-

    21. KRKevin Rose59:52

        You must have gotten something.

    22. TFTim Ferriss59:53

        Yeah, I got headaches.

    23. KRKevin Rose59:53

        [laughs]

    24. TFTim Ferriss59:54

        But, but it was during a period where I could accept-

    25. KRKevin Rose59:56

        But you had Vicodins, so you were fine. [laughs]

    26. TFTim Ferriss59:57

        No, I didn't use Vicodin.

    27. KRKevin Rose59:58

        [laughs]

    28. TFTim Ferriss59:58

        I, I knew that I could accept the headaches, and I had a period of time where there really was a low cost, where, like, professionally I was taking three to four weeks off the grid, and I knew that I had a grace period-

    29. KRKevin Rose1:00:13

        Hmm

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:00:13

        ... where I could sustain it. So I did effectively no caffeine, no alcohol, and I suppose the most important other item-
15. 1:12:34 – 1:18:46

    Cacao ceremonies and perilous tobacco cocktails.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:12:34

       that's my vote at least.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:12:35

       One question for you. One of the things that I have yet to try that I've been really curious about is I know that there are cultures, I can't remember, I'm gonna screw it up. Uh, I don't know if it's like an Inca or... I can't remember exactly which culture it is from Mexico-

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:12:49

       Mm-hmm

    4. KRKevin Rose1:12:49

       ... that did high dose chocolate, almost like a-

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:12:54

       Oh, cacao

    6. KRKevin Rose1:12:54

       ... uh, c- like a cacao ceremony.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:12:56

       Mm-hmm.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:12:56

       Where they drink like this like super purified cacao.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:13:00

       Mm-hmm.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:13:01

        Like insane amounts of caffeine.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:13:03

        Mm-hmm.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:13:03

        And they like reach these kind of spiritual states.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:13:06

        Mm-hmm.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:13:06

        Have you ever heard anything about that?

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:13:07

        I haven't read reports, but I know that, for instance, I wanna say in some places in Mexico, certainly in Guatemala, you have cacao ceremonies. I don't know-

    16. KRKevin Rose1:13:19

        Yeah

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:13:19

        ... how, I don't know-

    18. KRKevin Rose1:13:19

        I was invited to one one time-

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:13:20

        Yeah

    20. KRKevin Rose1:13:20

        ... a cacao ceremony.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:13:21

        So I don't know how much- I don't know the historical record, right? I, I don't know how much of these things were used 100 years ago, 1,000 years ago. There are, there are many new practices that have created the narrative of age-old use-

    22. KRKevin Rose1:13:39

        Right

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:13:39

        ... for a veneer of credibility when in fact things were very different 1,000 years ago.

    24. KRKevin Rose1:13:44

        You have to imagine cacao was a staple.

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:13:46

        Cacao's been around for a while.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:13:47

        Yeah.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:13:47

        So i- in the case of cacao, my understanding is it contains theobromine, which in and of itself is a fascinating word.

    28. KRKevin Rose1:13:53

        Mm-hmm.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:13:53

        So theobroma, theo like theology, broma food, food of the gods. Theobromine, which is, it pharmacokinetically i- is very meaning, just if you were look at the graph of peak and half-life and so on, it's quite different from caffeine-

    30. KRKevin Rose1:14:11

        Mm-hmm
16. 1:18:46 – 1:21:07

    Radical Acceptance and the origin of TimTim.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:18:46

       Yeah, late night pizza.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:18:46

       [laughs]

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:18:47

       I mean, like if, if you're a road warrior and you just travel all the time because you say yes to everything, like, okay, what does it feel like to sit at home-

    4. KRKevin Rose1:18:53

       Yeah

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:18:53

       ... if such a thing exists for you, for one month? What does that feel like?

    6. KRKevin Rose1:18:56

       Yeah.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:18:56

       And if a bunch of weird stuff comes up, like maybe as Tara Brach would say, like the, you know, to the-

    8. KRKevin Rose1:19:01

       Ah

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:19:01

       ... to, to one sage, only one question matters, what are you unwilling to feel?

    10. KRKevin Rose1:19:05

        Oh, my God, I have to have her on the c- the podcast. That is one of my-

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:19:08

        She's great

    12. KRKevin Rose1:19:08

        ... top guests I could get.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:19:09

        Yeah, so-

    14. KRKevin Rose1:19:09

        Yeah

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:19:09

        ... if you haven't read it, folks, Radical Acceptance, which-

    16. KRKevin Rose1:19:12

        Oh, my God

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:19:12

        ... I owe Dar Dar thanks for. [laughs] So if you don't get the reference-

    18. KRKevin Rose1:19:15

        Dar Dar is my wife, Daria.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:19:17

        [laughs]

    20. KRKevin Rose1:19:18

        Uh, w- we call him TimTim, so th- th- and-

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:19:20

        Which came about-

    22. KRKevin Rose1:19:21

        ... the family-

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:19:21

        ... actually, let's give people like a real look into the archives. So TimTim came about because we were on a trip to China-

    24. KRKevin Rose1:19:27

        Mm

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:19:27

        ... to drink pu-erh tea all over the place-

    26. KRKevin Rose1:19:29

        That's right

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:19:29

        ... which was one of the weirder trips I've ever been on for a lot of reasons. [laughs]

    28. KRKevin Rose1:19:32

        We were in the Yunnan province together in the middle of nowhere.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:19:34

        We had, we had some very strange experiences on that trip. Drank a lot of tea. Had a motley crew of people with us along for that ride, and there was another Tim on the trip.

    30. KRKevin Rose1:19:45

        Yeah.
17. 1:21:07 – 1:54:43

    How NFTs drove Kevin to ketamine.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:21:07

       No caf.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:21:08

       All right. Let's talk about my experiment, shall we?

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:21:10

       Yeah, let's do it.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:21:11

       All right.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:21:11

       I'm excited. I'm excited about this 'cause I also don't know the details. I know that-

    6. KRKevin Rose1:21:15

       You saw the text messages.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:21:16

       I saw some of the text messages-

    8. KRKevin Rose1:21:18

       Yeah

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:21:18

       ... and I was very curious.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:21:19

        Okay, so this is a big one. Um, I-

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:21:23

        You're pregnant.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:21:23

        I'm pregnant. [laughs]

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:21:25

        [laughs]

    14. KRKevin Rose1:21:25

        What was the one where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant? What was that?

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:21:28

        [laughs]

    16. KRKevin Rose1:21:28

        [laughs] I can't remember the name of that movie.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:21:30

        I can't remember the name.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:21:31

        Yeah.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:21:31

        But yes, I know the movie. [laughs]

    20. KRKevin Rose1:21:32

        But basically that's... I have the same physique, too. Um, so basically, you know, for, for people that, that, that know me or, or don't quite know me, like, you know, I've, I've, I've done a bunch of stuff i- in terms of being, like, an entrepreneur and an investor and these different things. And one of the, the hats that I put on, you know, a couple years ago was dabbling in the world of Web3. And Web3, for those untrained, i- i, you know, it's cryptocurrency. It's, it is decentralized internet. It is NFTs. It's art on the blockchain.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:22:03

        It's, it's ownership, right?

    22. KRKevin Rose1:22:04

        It's-

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:22:04

        If, if 1.0 is read-only internet-

    24. KRKevin Rose1:22:06

        Yeah

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:22:06

        ... 2.0 is read/write, 3 is actually owning a piece of-

    26. KRKevin Rose1:22:10

        Right

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:22:10

        ... what's on the playing field.

    28. KRKevin Rose1:22:11

        So it's a very exciting frontier, and it, and it's filled with a bunch of explorers that I would say are s- It's a small number of people. In terms of people that are excited about digital art, call it, you know, 250,000 people or less.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:22:23

        Mm.

    30. KRKevin Rose1:22:23

        But it is, you know, a serious group of people that are enabling a new canvas to take form in front of us. And I believe in my heart of hearts that for all the bad press that we see about NFTs and all the scams, and don't get me wrong, there's tons of that shit-
18. 1:54:43 – 2:00:21

    Kevin’s robot-enhanced Tyler Hobbs tattoo.

    1. KRKevin Rose1:54:43

       of it.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:54:43

       Yeah, a good portion. All right, so let's, let's-

    3. KRKevin Rose1:54:44

       Well, I gotta talk to you about my tattoo at some point.

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:54:46

       [laughs] Okay, should we... All right, look, I'll, well, you know what? I'm gonna leave that as a cliffhanger. We're gonna come back to-

    5. KRKevin Rose1:54:52

       Yeah, we gotta come back to that

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:54:53

       ... wild drug story. Tattoo.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:54:54

       'Cause, 'cause, 'cause that's why I'm here in town.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:54:56

       Oh, I didn't know that.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:54:56

       Oh, yeah.

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:54:57

        All right.

    11. KRKevin Rose1:54:57

        You're gonna hear about the, the crazy machine.

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:54:59

        What? Okay, let's... Tattoo and crazy machine, what's going on?

    13. KRKevin Rose1:55:03

        One of the, the, the premier generative artists w- and by way, when I say generative, what I mean by that, for those that don't know, is, like, there's a whole genre of, uh, art that is code-based. Uh, the-

    14. TFTim Ferriss1:55:15

        Mm-hmm

    15. KRKevin Rose1:55:15

        ... you know, you write actually computer science code, like, and, and you create art, and one of the, the, the premier artists in the space that's been sold at Christie's and Sotheby's and all over the place is Tyler Hobbs. He's based here in Austin.

    16. TFTim Ferriss1:55:26

        Such an awesome guy, too. Another sweetheart of a guy.

    17. KRKevin Rose1:55:29

        By the way, he told me, uh, he's always enjoyed hanging out with you.

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:55:32

        Oh. [laughs]

    19. KRKevin Rose1:55:32

        So he's, he's, he's hung out with you a couple times, and-

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:55:33

        What a nice guy. He's-

    21. KRKevin Rose1:55:34

        Yeah

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:55:34

        ... he, he, he and his wife are just lovely beyond words.

    23. KRKevin Rose1:55:37

        Such great people, yeah. And so Tyler lives here in Austin, and, you know, his NFTs, you can say we do want NFTs, but his NFTs are just absolutely gorgeous pieces of artwork and, and it can sell for, at times, millions of dollars. Like, they're-

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:55:52

        Yeah

    25. KRKevin Rose1:55:52

        ... they're really sought after.

    26. TFTim Ferriss1:55:54

        Also a legit visual artist outside of code.

    27. KRKevin Rose1:55:57

        Oh my God, like I went-

    28. TFTim Ferriss1:55:58

        Yeah

    29. KRKevin Rose1:55:58

        ... to his studio today and he pulled open binders that he's been doing-

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:56:01

        Oh, so fun
19. 2:00:21 – 2:07:07

    What kind of tattoo might I get, and why?

    1. TFTim Ferriss2:00:21

       Yeah, that's, that's pretty wild.

    2. KRKevin Rose2:00:22

       So you've been thinking about getting one?

    3. TFTim Ferriss2:00:24

       I've been thinking about getting one for years, which would be-

    4. KRKevin Rose2:00:26

       What would you do? Molly

    5. TFTim Ferriss2:00:27

       ... Molly's paw prints on my forearm.

    6. KRKevin Rose2:00:30

       [laughs] You would not.

    7. TFTim Ferriss2:00:32

       But... What was that?

    8. KRKevin Rose2:00:33

       You would not. Are you serious?

    9. TFTim Ferriss2:00:34

       Yeah, totally.

    10. KRKevin Rose2:00:34

        That'd be kinda awesome.

    11. TFTim Ferriss2:00:35

        Yeah. Um-

    12. KRKevin Rose2:00:35

        How old is Molly now?

    13. TFTim Ferriss2:00:37

        Molly's eight.

    14. KRKevin Rose2:00:38

        Is-

    15. TFTim Ferriss2:00:38

        Between eight and nine.

    16. KRKevin Rose2:00:39

        Dude, Toaster is slowing down, man.

    17. TFTim Ferriss2:00:41

        Yeah. It's-

    18. KRKevin Rose2:00:42

        It's tough

    19. TFTim Ferriss2:00:42

        ... it's so sad.

    20. KRKevin Rose2:00:43

        There is nothing more heartbreaking than starting to see your dog start to go.

    21. TFTim Ferriss2:00:49

        On the decline.

    22. KRKevin Rose2:00:50

        Yeah.

    23. TFTim Ferriss2:00:51

        Yeah.

    24. KRKevin Rose2:00:51

        Like, he's fall- he's falling now. Like, his legs-

    25. TFTim Ferriss2:00:53

        Oh, no

    26. KRKevin Rose2:00:53

        ... are falling out from underneath him. I know. It's sad.

    27. TFTim Ferriss2:00:55

        Oh, God.

    28. KRKevin Rose2:00:56

        We don't, we don't have to take the podcast there, but yeah, it's pretty-

    29. TFTim Ferriss2:00:58

        No, but it's, hey, Toaster's been with the podcast since-

    30. KRKevin Rose2:01:01

        Yeah. [laughs]
20. 2:07:07 – 2:19:39

    Advice for our former (and current) versions.

    1. KRKevin Rose2:07:07

       You would, you would love her. Can I ask you a question?

    2. TFTim Ferriss2:07:09

       Yeah.

    3. KRKevin Rose2:07:09

       I wanna ask you a question that is a little bit more intimate just because we've had some tequila and, um-

    4. TFTim Ferriss2:07:14

       [laughs]

    5. KRKevin Rose2:07:14

       ... uh, we're talking about dogs and, and-

    6. TFTim Ferriss2:07:16

       Mm-hmm

    7. KRKevin Rose2:07:16

       ... just kind of the companionship and, and whatnot.

    8. TFTim Ferriss2:07:19

       Mm-hmm.

    9. KRKevin Rose2:07:19

       Speaking of kind of, like, New Year's resolutions and looking back on life, in the last 10 years when it comes to both personal, intimate, like, relationships or private, what would you, if there's any one thing, what would you change about your interactions with either someone that you've been with on a intimate level-

    10. TFTim Ferriss2:07:40

        Mm-hmm

    11. KRKevin Rose2:07:40

        ... or someone that, like, maybe it's, like, on a more kind of like, you know, friendship level?

    12. TFTim Ferriss2:07:45

        Mm.

    13. KRKevin Rose2:07:45

        Is there anything that you can look back on and say, "I would have done more of this"?

    14. TFTim Ferriss2:07:49

        Mm. That is an exceptional question. And you know, when I was driving over here, I was thinking about another question. We have the ultimate cliffhanger in the crazy drug story, so maybe we'll get to that. Maybe we won't. Maybe we'll do that next episode. But I was thinking also, I was like, "What would Kevin tell his..." I'm gonna answer your question. But I was thinking, what would Kevin tell his 30-year-old self?

    15. KRKevin Rose2:08:10

        Mm.

    16. TFTim Ferriss2:08:11

        Like, current Kevin.

    17. KRKevin Rose2:08:12

        Mm.

    18. TFTim Ferriss2:08:12

        Like, do this, maybe not do so much of that-

    19. KRKevin Rose2:08:15

        Mm-hmm

    20. TFTim Ferriss2:08:15

        ... blah, blah, blah. Thought that could be a fun exploration. With the interpersonal stuff, I think that I would say just because someone needs other things, things that are different from your needs, does not make them high-maintenance.

    21. KRKevin Rose2:08:30

        [laughs]

    22. TFTim Ferriss2:08:31

        And by the way-

    23. KRKevin Rose2:08:32

        Mm

    24. TFTim Ferriss2:08:32

        ... Tim, [laughs] if they looked at you through the same lens you were looking at- them through, they would decide that you are high maintenance.

    25. KRKevin Rose2:08:39

        Mm.

    26. TFTim Ferriss2:08:40

        So gather some tools, right? I would say read The Five Love Languages. As cheesy and schlocky as it might seem, that shit is so helpful as a framework for discussion-

    27. KRKevin Rose2:08:51

        Mm-hmm

    28. TFTim Ferriss2:08:52

        ... for identifying and easily labeling the different categories of needs that people might have-

    29. KRKevin Rose2:08:58

        Mm-hmm

    30. TFTim Ferriss2:08:59

        ... and putting them in some type of order. "Oh, interesting. You're a quality time person. Good to know. Number two would be this."
21. 2:19:39 – 2:32:49

    Ayahuasca agony alleviation and alternatives.

    1. TFTim Ferriss2:19:39

       Yeah.

    2. KRKevin Rose2:19:39

       What was the, um, before we wrap things up, because I know we're coming to the end and you still have some tequila to finish.

    3. TFTim Ferriss2:19:44

       [laughs]

    4. KRKevin Rose2:19:45

       What was the cliffhanger you said you wanted to, you wanted to tell us?

    5. TFTim Ferriss2:19:49

       Yeah, so I'll, I'll try to keep it short. I mean, I'll let you, I'll tell you what, I'll keep it short and then you can excavate-

    6. KRKevin Rose2:19:54

       Okay

    7. TFTim Ferriss2:19:55

       ... as you like.

    8. KRKevin Rose2:19:55

       I love to excavate.

    9. TFTim Ferriss2:19:56

       [laughs] All right. So as you know, for the last year I've basically been crippled by lower back issues.

    10. KRKevin Rose2:20:04

        Yeah.

    11. TFTim Ferriss2:20:04

        I mean, I've, I've had trouble, there are days when I've had trouble getting up and walking. I mean, it's been that bad.

    12. KRKevin Rose2:20:09

        Yeah.

    13. TFTim Ferriss2:20:09

        And-

    14. KRKevin Rose2:20:09

        I mean, to be honest, Tim, you first told me about this like eight years ago or something.

    15. TFTim Ferriss2:20:15

        Yeah.

    16. KRKevin Rose2:20:15

        Remember when you got those injections or something?

    17. TFTim Ferriss2:20:17

        Sure.

    18. KRKevin Rose2:20:17

        You were like, you were like, "I think I have degenerative-"

    19. TFTim Ferriss2:20:20

        Disc disease.

    20. KRKevin Rose2:20:21

        Yeah.

    21. TFTim Ferriss2:20:21

        Yeah. So I've had lower back issues for a long time. This is also a congenital issue, so I have what's called a, uh, transitional segment. In other words, the, the- there's a segment in my lumbar, there are vertebrae in my lumbar area that really mimic a sacral vertebral, uh, segment. And that's problematic for a host of reasons. Creates an abnormal angle, and, uh, if you can imagine just bending the paperclip over and over again in ways that it shouldn't be bent, that's sort of the feeling in the low back. And my brother has this. There are other people in my family who have this issue. So standing extended, slow walking, like a museum walk, cocktail party type of experience can be very painful.

    22. KRKevin Rose2:21:08

        Hmm.

    23. TFTim Ferriss2:21:08

        Like, the low back locks up. But in the last year specifically, had all sorts of issues, and all sorts of MRIs, and specialists, and PT, and adjustments, and traction, and this, that, and the other thing. And it was a disaster, and it caused a... Well, let me give myself a little more agency. I created a lot of anxiety around this, 'cause I was like, "Fuck, is this the new normal?"

    24. KRKevin Rose2:21:34

        Right.

    25. TFTim Ferriss2:21:35

        "Is, is this really the new normal where-"

    26. KRKevin Rose2:21:37

        Well, 'cause you, you project forward. Like, what, what does five years from now look like?

    27. TFTim Ferriss2:21:40

        Yeah. I'm like, "I'm not that old." [laughs]

    28. KRKevin Rose2:21:42

        Right.

    29. TFTim Ferriss2:21:42

        You know? And I'm pretty active.

    30. KRKevin Rose2:21:44

        Your, and your skincare is amazing.

Episode duration: 2:40:34