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Brendan Moynihan Interview | Full Episode | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Brendan Moynihan is an editor-at-large for Bloomberg News, where he manages the popular column Chart of the Day and writes about the economy and Wall Street.

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Sep 18, 20141h 1mWatch on YouTube

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Tim sets the stage: why study losing money (and introduces Brendan Moynihan)
Tim Ferriss opens with a quote and a trivia aside, then frames the episode around learning from financial mistakes rather than “get rich” formulas. He introduces Brendan Moynihan and highlights What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars as unusually impactful and widely respected.
- •Tim contrasts the many ways to make money with the fewer, repeatable ways people lose money
- •Tim introduces Brendan’s roles (asset management, Bloomberg, teaching, Wall Street background)
- •Tim explains why the book is in his book club and why he found it influential
Taleb’s “non-charlatanic” praise and why the book stood out
Tim asks why Nassim Nicholas Taleb called the book one of the rare “non-charlatanic” finance books. Brendan recounts how Taleb mentioned the book without having met him, which later helped spur a reprint, and explains why focusing on what goes wrong can be more useful than selling “secrets.”
- •Brendan says Taleb’s mention in The Black Swan triggered renewed interest and a reprint
- •Brendan contrasts his approach with “how I made a million dollars” style books
- •Brendan argues that examining mistakes and the downside can have stronger resonance than upside stories
What makes a finance book a “charlatan” playbook?
Tim and Brendan discuss the recurring pattern of guru-style claims across eras and markets. Brendan describes “charlatan” behavior as people presenting themselves as high-priest experts with secret forecasting power, and he echoes Taleb’s skepticism toward prediction-heavy financial industries.
- •Brendan describes experts who claim special insight, forecasts, or inside secrets
- •He suggests people can mistake luck for skill and then market it as expertise
- •Tim adds examples of survivorship bias and post-hoc storytelling in investing and startups
Brendan’s path into finance: Alabama, Jim Rogers, and Chicago futures
Brendan shares his background growing up in Alabama and a formative dinner with Jim Rogers that helped shape his trajectory. He describes choosing practical market experience over graduate school, moving into the futures world in Chicago, and learning on trading desks over time.
- •Brendan recounts approaching Jim Rogers after a talk and having dinner with him
- •He describes starting at a regional investment bank in Nashville and moving to Chicago for futures
- •He frames his learning as “real-world education” built through trading and mentorship
How the million-dollar-loss book got made: Jim Paul’s tapes, transcribing, and persistence
Brendan tells the origin story of collaborating with Jim Paul, from an initial lunch conversation to an intense weekend of recorded storytelling. He describes collecting 17 hours of tape and spending years transcribing, organizing, researching, and writing the manuscript around Jim’s narrative and Brendan’s theory.
- •Brendan proposed combining Jim’s “flowery story” with his own “dry theory”
- •A weekend in Chicago produced 17 hours of recorded material, including colorful personal moments
- •Brendan describes the long grind of transcription and writing over three to four years
Self-publishing tactics: blurbs, press releases, and the Forbes break
Brendan explains why he and Jim chose to self-publish after realizing how little authors often earn through traditional channels. He describes soliciting endorsements from notable industry figures, sending out homemade press releases, and landing a key Forbes mention that helped the book break even quickly.
- •Brendan describes mailing the manuscript to about 30 well-known industry people for feedback/blurbs
- •He recounts receiving a brief reply from Warren Buffett and collecting multiple back-cover endorsements
- •He explains how a Forbes pickup (via Mark Hulbert) boosted visibility and sales momentum
A Jim Paul story about rock bottom—and what it reveals about loss
Asked for stories that didn’t make the book, Brendan shares a darkly comic episode from Jim Paul’s aftermath, including a moment where a mechanical issue inadvertently prevented a tragedy. The story underscores how extreme financial loss can distort decision-making—and how quickly people can move from despair back to rebuilding.
- •Brendan describes Jim’s massive loss and the consequences at the exchange (liquidation and removal)
- •He recounts Jim’s plan to end his life being interrupted when the car was stuck in first gear
- •Tim reacts to the story’s severity and irony, highlighting the emotional extremes around loss
The book’s core framework: three mistake-domains (mental processes, behavior, emotions)
Brendan summarizes the three-part structure he built around how people make costly mistakes. He explains how money losses get internalized, how behavior defines what “type” of market participant someone really is, and how emotions—especially crowd dynamics—can hijack decision-making.
- •Brendan says people internalize financial loss and equate self-worth with net worth
- •He introduces a behavioral lens that separates types of market participation
- •He discusses emotional decision-making and references Gustave Le Bon’s The Crowd as a useful model
Five classes of market participants—and how they differ
Tim asks Brendan to define the five categories he uses to distinguish market behavior. Brendan lays out his definitions of investor, trader, speculator, bettor, and gambler, emphasizing differences in time horizon, motivation, and relationship to being “right.”
- •Brendan defines investing as parting with capital expecting periodic return (interest, rent, dividends)
- •He distinguishes traders as market makers focused on short timeframes and going home flat
- •He contrasts speculators’ price-differential focus with bettors’ desire for “being right,” and frames gambling as adrenaline-driven and destructive
Turning insight into action: checklists, written plans, and when to liquidate
Brendan explains what separates readers who apply the book from those who don’t: writing things down and using a checklist plus pre-planned if/then scenarios created outside the heat of the moment. The conversation also explores what makes a good trader, especially the capacity to take losses quickly, and the idea of reducing positions to a “sleep level.”
- •Brendan says successful readers externalize their process: checklist on top, if/then rules below
- •He stresses creating the plan when you are not in the market and not emotionally involved
- •Brendan says good traders can take losses without rehashing them and avoid equating loss with being wrong
- •He describes liquidating exposure down to a “sleep level” and shares a maxim: positions tend to feel ‘too little’ when winning and ‘too much’ when losing
Recommended reading, current writing projects, and closing personal reflections
Brendan shares a short list of influential books and then describes his current work-in-progress on risk, probability, and the misuse of statistics. He closes with personal preferences—why he doesn’t read fiction or watch TV—and offers the advice he’d give his younger self about delaying major life decisions.
- •Brendan names The Money Game and Once in Golconda as early formative reads, plus Le Bon’s The Crowd
- •He outlines a book idea centered on being “fooled by similarity,” contrasting class probability with case-based inference from statistics
- •He critiques the tendency to treat past-frequency data as if it created stable, repeatable ‘odds’ in social systems
- •Brendan says he prefers facts and figures over fiction, citing Atlas Shrugged as his last novel
- •His advice to his younger self: wait longer before making major life decisions (moves, jobs, marriage, kids, buying a house)

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