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CHAPTERS
- 0:15 – 7:56
Why Bird by Bird Resonates: Shitty First Drafts and Taking It Bird by Bird
Tim Ferriss explains how Bird by Bird helped him and a friend finish their books, then asks why it affects people so deeply. Anne Lamott says she never promised that finishing a book would heal anyone, and she tells the story behind the title and the E.L. Doctorow headlights image.
- •Ferriss describes nearly quitting his first book and being rescued by Bird by Bird
- •Lamott says she teaches people to stop not writing and to write badly
- •Her father told her brother to take his bird report bird by bird
- •Doctorow compared writing to driving at night with the headlights on
- •Perfectionism is called the voice of the oppressor
- 7:56 – 10:54
Taming the Inner Critic and KFKD Radio
Lamott describes her husband Neal Allen's approach to the inner critic, which gives it a new job rather than trying to eliminate it. She also explains the KFKD radio chapter of Bird by Bird, with its left and right speakers.
- •Neal Allen's Shapes of Truth work tames the inner critic rather than removing it
- •The critic can be thanked for protecting you as a child and made an ethical consultant
- •KFKD radio plays constant criticism, while the right speaker carries the voices of people who love you
- •Turning down the left-hand speaker is what Bird by Bird is largely about
- •Ferriss mentions moving from nonfiction into fiction, and Lamott offers to help
- 10:54 – 17:27
A Tense Childhood and Becoming a People-Pleaser
Asked about her childhood, Lamott describes her writer father's early-morning discipline and the tense, alcohol-affected household she grew up in. She explains how she became a people-pleaser and achiever, and how the family's emphasis on forward thrust kept the abyss at bay.
- •Her father, Kenneth Lamott, wrote at 5:30 every morning and taught her not to wait for inspiration
- •At five she tried to hold the family together and got migraines
- •She believed she was defective because that meant she could do better and control things
- •The broken egg yolk stands for her mother's self-sacrifice and her own need to become her own priority
- •The dark night of the soul is where transformation often happens
- 17:27 – 23:41
What It Means to Be Spiritually Fit
Ferriss asks what spiritually fit means, and Lamott says it means being in her body and not tripping. She shares recovery acronyms for fear, the idea of dual citizenship, and laughter as carbonated holiness.
- •Spiritually fit means being in her body rather than tripping on fear and stories
- •Fear acronyms include false evidence appearing real and future events already ruined
- •Fear expressed allows relief
- •One minute of breathing, the sacrament of ploppage, brings back her sense of humor
- •She can toggle between being a child of the divine and her biographical self
- 23:41 – 35:18
Dark Nights of the Soul: Sobriety, Self-Priority, and Sam
Lamott recounts three dark nights: her 1986 three-day blackout and the grace that followed, a recent breakdown that led her to make herself a priority, and her son Sam's addiction. She concludes that her help is the sunny side of control.
- •After a three-day blackout in July 1986 she found grace, which she calls spiritual WD-40, and sober women who helped her
- •A recent exhausted phone call with her mentor Horrible Bonnie led her to become her own priority
- •She told Sam he could not be on the property with his baby if he used, and then drove him back to San Francisco in silence
- •Sam has been clean and sober for ten years
- •She learned that help is the sunny side of control
- 35:18 – 44:47
Sam's Podcast and What Grace Felt Like
Ferriss recommends Sam's Hello Humans podcast and his episode with Paul Williams, then asks what grace felt like during the blackout. Lamott explains that outer success could not fill her up, describes early sobriety, and tells how Tom Weston's five rules clarified her shame and sensitivity.
- •Ferriss praises Sam's preparation and emotional connection in the Paul Williams episode
- •Lamott says she realized fame and success were an inside job, not an outside one
- •Early sobriety was frightening, but other women said they would love her until she could love herself
- •Tom Weston's five rules of being human describe the shame she carried over being sensitive
- •She decided to insist on showing up as she is
- 44:47 – 51:05
Life Philosophy: Unplug and Everything Works Again
Ferriss asks for lines from her work that capture her philosophy. Lamott discusses the idea that everything works again if you unplug it, including you, along with crying, rage, and breakdowns as paths to renewal, and a quote attributed to her that actually came from Tom Weston.
- •Everything will work again if you unplug it, including you
- •Crying and rage have been her way home, in contrast to her family's suppression of emotion
- •Breakdowns can lead to transformative renewal
- •Unplugging is like an electric car plugging back in
- •She is widely credited with a line about God hating the same people we do, which Tom Weston said
- 51:05 – 56:13
Treating Anxiety: Medicine, Discipline, and Telling the Truth
Asked what has helped her anxiety disorder, Lamott credits medicine first, alongside a therapist, a holistic approach, and daily prayer and meditation. She also describes telling someone something unseemly every day, and how that helps her let go.
- •She had a biochemical imbalance and OCD as a child and still takes medicine
- •Her approach is holistic, including diet, prayer, and meditation
- •She believes discipline is the path to freedom and does not wait for inspiration
- •Telling Neal, Sam, or a friend the awful truth brings relief and laughter
- •Telling someone is how she lets go of what is vexing her
- 56:13 – 1:05:11
Writing Routine: Silence, One-Inch Picture Frames, and Pods
Ferriss asks about her writing habits. Lamott describes writing in silence like her father, starting at 9:00, using one-inch picture frames for short assignments, and her newer 45-minute pods rewarded with M&Ms and MSNBC.
- •She writes in silence, as her father did
- •The one-inch picture frame means writing one small scene at a time
- •The critic should be sent to the library as an ethical consultant while you write
- •Pods are 45-minute sessions that yield about 30 minutes of real work
- •Ferriss shares a college story of a suicide plan interrupted by a postcard, and Lamott responds by saying how she would coach him to write it
- 1:05:11 – 1:13:12
Owning Your Story and Writing Fiction When You're Stuck
Lamott says everything that happened to you belongs to you, and fiction can protect real people. Ferriss then asks what to do when a fiction story stalls, and Lamott advises going quiet, asking the characters what they love and could lose, and putting pressure on that.
- •Lamott says people who wanted to be written about warmly should have behaved better, and that fiction lets you disguise the family
- •The critical voice offers reasons not to write
- •Writing is part of being whole and asking how alive you are willing to be
- •Characters know who they are if you trust yourself as narrator
- •Every story needs something at stake, so ask characters what they cannot lose
- 1:13:12 – 1:18:10
Having a Documentary Made About Her
Ferriss asks what it was like to have a documentary made about her. Lamott calls it weird but treasures the footage of her son and her mother, admits she agreed partly out of star-struck motives, and says she lives for moments when depth is revealed.
- •Freida Mock and her crew followed her for about six months
- •The footage of her mother with Alzheimer's moves her deeply
- •She admits she agreed partly because of the Academy Award and the hope of earning money
- •Sam once asked if she had a speech impediment after seeing her on TV
- •She values depth and the really real over performance
- 1:18:10 – 1:25:22
Prayer: Help Me Not Be Such an Asshole
Ferriss opens a conversation on prayer with a line from Dusk, Night, Dawn. Lamott explains the line as her father's ethic, describes how she weaponizes quietness and judgment, and talks about needing help and learning to endure the beams of love.
- •Her atheist parents believed in kindness and service
- •She weaponizes quiet and judgment, and describes a cold, sheet-metal heart
- •Willingness comes from pain, while healing comes from tools like prayer and walks
- •William Blake: we are here to learn to endure the beams of love
- •She finds asking for help hard because she was the family's flight attendant
- 1:25:22 – 1:28:38
Daily Prayer and Heaven as a New Pair of Glasses
Ferriss asks whether she prays as needed or on a routine. Lamott describes praying each morning, acting her way into loving feelings, and paying attention like a writer, and she uses the image that heaven is a new pair of glasses.
- •She prays each morning to keep her sticky fingers off the controls
- •You act your way into a warm heart rather than thinking your way into it
- •Henry James said a writer is someone on whom nothing is lost
- •A priest told Bill Wilson that heaven is a new pair of glasses
- •She prays to have the good pair of glasses on
- 1:28:38 – 1:36:35
Horrible Bonnie and Welcoming the Inner Parts at the Table
Lamott explains who Bonnie Allen is and why she calls her Horrible Bonnie. She then describes welcoming disowned parts of herself to the table for soup, and Ferriss connects it to Internal Family Systems.
- •Bonnie Allen has been her spiritual mentor since early recovery
- •Bonnie calls the problem a blessing and wrecks rage and superiority
- •Bonnie helped Lamott find her inner Donald Trump, Blanche DuBois, and Jane
- •She also welcomes her inner Amelia Earhart
- •Ferriss mentions Internal Family Systems and a bracelet quote about gratitude
- 1:36:35 – 1:40:50
Dusk, Night, Dawn and a Prayer for Writers
Lamott explains the title of her new book, which follows Almost Everything and responds to audiences' sadness and fear. She then gives a writing prayer, and Ferriss thanks her for turning pain into medicine.
- •The title moves from dusk through night to the dawn that always arrives
- •Audiences felt sad and scared about Trump and climate change papers
- •Twilight refers to both dusk and dawn
- •Her writing prayer is to help her get out of the way to write what wants to be written
- •Neal's tip: if it sounds really literary, it isn't
- 1:40:50 – 1:51:13
Favorite Movies and a Parting Story About Grace
Ferriss asks about all-time favorite films. Lamott describes a scene in The Mission and recommends My Octopus Teacher and Bab'Aziz, Ferriss shares his own picks, and Lamott closes with a story about a woman with cancer who said God's got it and a message that we are loved and safe.
- •Lamott describes the scene in The Mission where the weapons are cut loose
- •Ferriss names Spirited Away and the films he plays in the background while writing
- •Lamott recommends Bab'Aziz, which she says changes you on a molecular level
- •A woman in her recovery community said God's got it, and Lamott wears it on a coin
- •Lamott's closing message is that life tilts toward the good and that we are loved and safe
