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Jocko Willink Returns (Full Episode) | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Jocko Willink (@jockowillink) is one of the scariest human beings imaginable. Jocko did his first interview with me, and it took the Internet by storm. Now he joins us for round two to answer the questions you’ve been asking.

Tim FerrisshostJocko Willinkguest
Oct 25, 20161h 23mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Jocko Willink on discipline, leadership, war, and detachment

  1. Jocko Willink answers listener questions on managing doubt and negative self-talk by reframing them as signals to prepare more and by practicing emotional detachment.
  2. He explains how reading—especially war-related accounts—helps him understand human nature and leadership by studying stress, fear, ego, mistakes, and resilience.
  3. He outlines how veterans can continue contributing after service by applying military-developed skills in business or nonprofits, while stating he generally avoids politics due to the “sliminess” and loss of privacy.
  4. He responds to criticisms about the military-industrial complex by saying he is honored to have served, emphasizing America’s freedoms and arguing the U.S. has often “given” rather than taken in wartime outcomes.
  5. He addresses ethical questions about killing in war by stating killing is inherent to war, expressing no issue killing brutal enemies, and describing civilian casualties as horrific but sometimes unavoidable despite efforts to minimize them.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Use doubt as fuel for preparation rather than trying to eliminate it.

He says internal doubt can be a form of humility and a driver of preparation, and that repetition of practice, rehearsal, and study helps “drown out” negative chatter.

Detach from emotions to regain focus and prioritize controllables.

He describes “detachment” as noticing emotions (nervousness, negative thoughts) from a distance so they don’t overwhelm decision-making, then refocusing on what can be controlled and the realistic worst case.

Study human nature through others’ experiences to strengthen leadership judgment.

He says he reads broadly (war books, literature, poetry, lyrics) primarily to learn human nature under stress, and to overlay what he reads onto real situations to understand reactions, ego, and behavior.

Translate military skills into civilian leadership by choosing a new mission and executing.

He tells veterans to turn military-earned skills (discipline, work ethic, leadership, instruction, detachment) into a new “mission” in business or nonprofits, noting many companies are eager to hire veterans.

To lead up the chain, build capital first, then propose solutions humbly and tactically.

He says changing ineffective practices up the chain requires first building credibility (“be awesome”), following even small rules to build reputation, raising points (not questions) with vetted solutions, picking battles, and presenting with humility—ideally letting leaders believe it’s their idea.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Every repetition of practice that you do, every iteration of rehearsal that you complete, every bit of study that you do, and every drill that you do, all that, all that preparation is gonna drown out the, the negative chatter.

— Jocko Willink

If I can't control them, why worry about them? 'Cause the energy that you put into worrying about them actually costs you your effectiveness.

— Jocko Willink

The absolute black belt move is when you get them to think that it's their idea, and that they came up with it, and that they've made up that solution.

— Jocko Willink

Discipline will equal freedom.

— Jocko Willink

Motivation is fickle. Motivation comes and go.

— Jocko Willink

Read the available transcript
Internal doubt and negative chatterDetachment and focus on controllablesReading war literature to study human natureVeterans transitioning to civilian contributionPolitics and public office reluctanceMilitary service, U.S. interests, and foreign aid claimsKilling in war and civilian casualties

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SPEAKERS

  • Tim Ferriss

    host

    Entrepreneur, investor, and host of The Tim Ferriss Show podcast.

  • Jocko Willink

    guest

    Retired U.S. Navy SEAL officer, leadership consultant, and host of the Jocko Podcast.

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