The Random Show — 2025 Predictions (AI, Aliens, BTC, and More), New Year’s Resolutions, and More

1. 0:00 – 0:45

   Alien tourism

   1. KRKevin Rose0:00

      I think it is tourism, dude. [laughs] I think you're right. It could be tourism. And the ones that wreck are like the ones that you hear about in Africa when people go on those safaris and they have too many drinks, and they just, like, fucking crash into a rhinoceros and then, like, get eaten or whatever. Some of these aliens are coming down here, and it has to be something like that. They've had a few bevs, and they just-

   2. TFTim Ferriss0:17

      [laughs]

   3. KRKevin Rose0:17

      ... they just fucking wreck their shit.

   4. TFTim Ferriss0:19

      It's like teenage alien DUIs.

   5. KRKevin Rose0:21

      [laughs] Yeah, exactly.

   6. TFTim Ferriss0:22

      Yeah. Where'd Glug-Glug go? Fuck.

   7. KRKevin Rose0:25

      Yeah. [laughs]

   8. TFTim Ferriss0:26

      He's gone to Earth again.

   9. KRKevin Rose0:27

      Right. So... [laughs]

   10. TFTim Ferriss0:28

       Is it... Did he drink? Uh, he took a few. [upbeat music]

2. 0:45 – 3:40

   Aloha and happy holidays!

   1. TFTim Ferriss0:45

      Kev Kev, nice to see you.

   2. KRKevin Rose0:47

      Tim Tim, happy holidays, brother. [bell dings]

   3. TFTim Ferriss0:49

      Happy holidays. Another random show, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, brought to you by Kev Kev and Tim Tim. Happy holidays, everyone.

   4. KRKevin Rose0:57

      It is that time of the year.

   5. TFTim Ferriss0:59

      It is.

   6. KRKevin Rose1:00

      And can I say where you are?

   7. TFTim Ferriss1:01

      Yeah.

   8. KRKevin Rose1:01

      'Cause you're not in a holiday-

   9. TFTim Ferriss1:02

      Yeah, for sure

   10. KRKevin Rose1:03

       ... place. You're in Hawaii.

   11. TFTim Ferriss1:04

       Yeah. [laughs] Right. I'm not in a, in a place with great seasonal variety.

   12. KRKevin Rose1:09

       Yeah.

   13. TFTim Ferriss1:09

       But I am in a place with wonderful sun [laughs] and warmth, which is Hawaii.

   14. KRKevin Rose1:13

       Is it good?

   15. TFTim Ferriss1:14

       It's amazing. Of course it's amazing.

   16. KRKevin Rose1:16

       You seem very chill right now.

   17. TFTim Ferriss1:18

       I am chill right now. I'm feeling very good, and there are a bunch of reasons for that, that I could talk about. We'll, we'll get to that, but there are some contributing elements that you're actually very familiar with, so we'll come back to that. But I've had more comments in the last week or two from close friends of mine, people who know me, who are like, "You seem really chill."

   18. KRKevin Rose1:37

       Yeah.

   19. TFTim Ferriss1:37

       "You seem very grounded right now." And I'm like, "Yeah, I feel very chill and very grounded right now." And there's still a lot going on.

   20. KRKevin Rose1:46

       I love that.

   21. TFTim Ferriss1:47

       It's not for absence of things going on. It's actually somewhat amazing that given how many projects are in process right now, I'm getting those comments. Which makes me feel like I must be doing something right, or I'm just lucky because, who knows, I'm sleeping well in Hawaii.

   22. KRKevin Rose2:04

       [laughs]

   23. TFTim Ferriss2:05

       Could be that. [laughs] Set the AC to, like, negative 500 degrees, which I had to override every system in the hotel to do.

   24. KRKevin Rose2:13

       Yeah, they have those things on lockdown, and then if you open the door, it shuts the AC off. It's like, it's a whole thing, yeah.

   25. TFTim Ferriss2:18

       Ooh, the chill. Yeah. It's... 70 degrees would be dangerously cold, so it's sometimes hard to get the AC low. But let's hop into it, man. We have a lot to talk about.

   26. KRKevin Rose2:28

       Yeah.

   27. TFTim Ferriss2:28

       Where should we begin?

   28. KRKevin Rose2:30

       Oh, man, let's start off with, when I think about these year-end specials, we've done a few of these.

   29. TFTim Ferriss2:34

       Yep.

   30. KRKevin Rose2:34

       And we typically do a little bit of what are you doing in the new year, you know, like-
3. 3:40 – 12:27

   Contemplating the societal impact of reality-bending AI.

   1. TFTim Ferriss3:40

      would you like to start?

   2. KRKevin Rose3:40

      Let's start off with something that I just thought was a fun one to just really get your take on this, because I think we're screwing up society. So, every year Apple does these, like, "Hey, here are the 15 apps that we love. This is the best gaming app, this is the best productivity app," all this stuff, right? And, and I tend to go in there and poke around, and I'm always checking out, you know, what the new hot thing is, especially on the gaming side, or stuff where I really just don't pay attention. I'm like, "Just tell me the best thing. I'll go check it out," right?

   3. TFTim Ferriss4:07

      Yep.

   4. KRKevin Rose4:08

      And I noticed one thing that I keep seeing this over and over, and it's driving me nuts, because it dovetails into some of the videos that we send each other on a side thread.

   5. TFTim Ferriss4:18

      Oh, God.

   6. KRKevin Rose4:19

      Okay, so we've sent a couple of these videos back and forth.

   7. TFTim Ferriss4:22

      You mean the mutually assured destruction threads?

   8. KRKevin Rose4:24

      We could say soccer.

   9. TFTim Ferriss4:25

      These are more civilized. [laughs] Okay, got it. Yeah.

   10. KRKevin Rose4:27

       Yeah. So yeah, you and me in soccer, we'll be, like, trading texts. This is one of those threads. I don't know if this, this one's that bad-

   11. TFTim Ferriss4:32

       [laughs]

   12. KRKevin Rose4:32

       ... but we've been on some, some threads where there's a lot of pics going around.

   13. TFTim Ferriss4:36

       [laughs]

   14. KRKevin Rose4:37

       Nothing horrible, but definitely... I'll move on from there. So there's basically-

   15. TFTim Ferriss4:42

       [laughs]

   16. KRKevin Rose4:43

       ... these new AI videos-

   17. TFTim Ferriss4:45

       Mm-hmm

   18. KRKevin Rose4:45

       ... of, like, MMA fighters.

   19. TFTim Ferriss4:47

       Yeah.

   20. KRKevin Rose4:47

       And they'll get, like, knocked out, and when they fall to the ground, they, like, get in go-karts and shit and start driving around. Have you seen this, where they, like, blend AI?

   21. TFTim Ferriss4:55

       Yeah, I've seen them.

   22. KRKevin Rose4:56

       It's messing with my head. I look at that stuff and I'm like, "This is really bending reality." I don't know if it's because there's a psychedelics kind of component there where you're like, "Why am I seeing something that I would typically see in a different realm in this realm?" Like-

   23. TFTim Ferriss5:11

       Mm

   24. KRKevin Rose5:11

       ... weird stuff's happening in the brain. But one of the things I noticed in the App Store is they said the best app of the year was a Adobe app, which, you know, they make great stuff, and they had Adobe Lightroom on there as winning the Apple App Store 2024 Winter Mac App of the Year. And why they were so stoked on Lightroom, when you think about Lightroom, you're like, "Oh, this is, like, software that's been around for, like, you know, a couple decades. Why is this anything new?" And they had a video there that showed these kids running around in their backyard.

   25. TFTim Ferriss5:41

       Mm-hmm.

   26. KRKevin Rose5:42

       And you've seen this thing where, like, you can, like, erase shit.

   27. TFTim Ferriss5:45

       Yeah.

   28. KRKevin Rose5:46

       You know? Like, you can, like, drag your finger across it. Google does all these ads where they're like, "Hey, is there someone weird standing in your photo? Like, erase 'em." Dude, this video, we've gone too far.

   29. TFTim Ferriss5:55

       [laughs]

   30. KRKevin Rose5:55

       They're like these kids playing in the backyard, and there was, like, hedges, and then they erased their, like, yard door to get out of their backyard. And, like, it made more hedges.
4. 12:27 – 22:20

   Meathead vs. holistic fitness.

   1. TFTim Ferriss12:27

      Right? So that's one. All right, what else you got? Are there any personal New Year's resolutions that come to mind or specific ones where you're like, "Okay, some of these might rhyme with things in the past, but here's how I'm gonna approach them differently"?

   2. KRKevin Rose12:42

      Oh, man. Okay.

   3. TFTim Ferriss12:43

      [laughs]

   4. KRKevin Rose12:43

      So-

   5. TFTim Ferriss12:44

      The exasperated s- exhale is always a good place to start. [chuckles]

   6. KRKevin Rose12:48

      Well, I mean, the hard thing for me is that, like, I get into this really bad situation where come November-

   7. TFTim Ferriss12:56

      Mm-hmm

   8. KRKevin Rose12:56

      ... I just, like, let myself go.

   9. TFTim Ferriss12:58

      Yeah, of course.

   10. KRKevin Rose12:59

       It happens every single year.

   11. TFTim Ferriss13:00

       Yeah.

   12. KRKevin Rose13:01

       I just go ham on shit, and, like, Thanksgiving comes around, and I hate, like, too much nutmeg. It's like... Or not nutmeg, but eggnog. [laughs]

   13. TFTim Ferriss13:11

       [laughs]

   14. KRKevin Rose13:11

       Nutmeg too. [laughs] Like, so-

   15. TFTim Ferriss13:15

       You know what I can't stand? Cloves. Let's talk about cloves for a minute.

   16. KRKevin Rose13:18

       Yeah, exactly.

   17. TFTim Ferriss13:19

       Yeah.

   18. KRKevin Rose13:19

       No, but, like, but I do like a little eggnog with a little of that brandy in there, you know? You put in-

   19. TFTim Ferriss13:23

       [laughs]

   20. KRKevin Rose13:23

       ... a little cognac in your eggnog.

   21. TFTim Ferriss13:24

       Yeah.

   22. KRKevin Rose13:25

       And so, like, but that goes straight to your gut, you know?

   23. TFTim Ferriss13:27

       Of course it does.

   24. KRKevin Rose13:28

       And so I hate this, 'cause this is, like, the freaking seventh year of Random Shows or whatever, where it's like every [laughs] December it's like, "I wanna be less fat and drink less." And it's like, you know, I get a good running start on the new year, though, so I, I am gonna go into this-

   25. TFTim Ferriss13:43

       Maybe we'll put together, like, a compilation music video.

   26. KRKevin Rose13:46

       Oh, yeah, of all the times we've said that over-

   27. TFTim Ferriss13:48

       [laughs]

   28. KRKevin Rose13:48

       ... like, 10 years. "I'm not, not gonna drink."

   29. TFTim Ferriss13:51

       Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

   30. KRKevin Rose13:53

       So I think I'm just gonna lean into it and do the exact opposite, just keep eating and just keep drinking. [laughs] No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
5. 22:20 – 24:41

   My current fitness priorities.

   1. TFTim Ferriss22:20

      Yeah, good point. So for me, I am focused on a few things, and I've actually made a lot of progress with this over the last handful of months. And in 2025, I will be very focused on this. For the first two months of the year, I'll be focused on skiing, so I'll be in the mountains for two months, and that is a great motivator to develop, say, different types of stability and strength.

   2. KRKevin Rose22:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TFTim Ferriss22:43

      Single leg lifts and so on.

   4. KRKevin Rose22:45

      So good, yeah.

   5. TFTim Ferriss22:46

      And having that context in which to test myself, right? So if I'm carving in one direction and then in the other, say, the inside leg is very unstable for some reason, it's chattering a lot, well, that's something to fix. And-

   6. KRKevin Rose22:58

      Mm-hmm

   7. TFTim Ferriss22:59

      ... the skiing serves as a fun, assuming you don't overdo it and blow yourself apart, diagnostic tool for bringing to awareness some of these things you need to work on. And I'd say priorities, these aren't necessarily in ranked order, but number one, as you get older, you lose muscle mass. You just do. And that's age-related muscle loss. Sarcopenia is directly correlated to any number of issues, I'm sure, including all-cause mortality. So weight training, resistance training, building muscle mass is an undeniable priority for functional health span as you get older.

   8. KRKevin Rose23:38

      Yeah.

   9. TFTim Ferriss23:39

      But for me, that means compound movements once or twice a week. You really don't need to overdo it-

   10. KRKevin Rose23:47

       Mm

   11. TFTim Ferriss23:47

       ... or do it five days a week. A lot of people use five days a week or every day as an excuse to not get started. You can make a lot of progress, especially if you haven't done much weight training, with one day, one session per week, if you're using, say, a high intensity training, one set to failure type protocol. I recognize it's very simple. I recognize there are some very experienced athletes who will say, "Well, no, you wanna do five sets of three or five sets of five," or whatever it might be, with three to five minute rest intervals in between to replenish the creatine phosphate, da, da, da, da, da. But Complexity can be the enemy of execution, as Tony Robbins and others say a lot.

   12. KRKevin Rose24:26

       Yeah

   13. TFTim Ferriss24:26

       And it's like, just scale down to what you can do. If you're starting an exercise habit, if that means you go to the gym every day and you do five minutes on a treadmill, make the bar low enough that you can clear it and you are not tempted to make excuses,

6. 24:41 – 32:37

   The pros and cons of training to failure.

   1. TFTim Ferriss24:41

      right?

   2. KRKevin Rose24:41

      Let me ask you a question. If you're like, "Okay, I don't wanna be a meathead, but I want a little muscle mass."

   3. TFTim Ferriss24:46

      Yeah.

   4. KRKevin Rose24:46

      So I want, like, some tone, some definition, a little bit of muscle mass. You know, and I've seen, I've seen the pros and cons of one set to failure and the data around it, and it seems to be that it's good but not as good as multiple sets of failure for a single muscle group. Would you say that you believe that to be true, or are you doing one set to failure with, like, if you're doing bicep, let's just take bicep for example. If you're doing one set-

   5. TFTim Ferriss25:09

      Mm-hmm

   6. KRKevin Rose25:09

      ... to failure, are you doing several exercises on the bicep one set to failure, or are you just talking about, like, you're just doing hammer curls until you fail and that's it for biceps that day?

   7. TFTim Ferriss25:19

      So I would actually... Let's just take skiing as an example, right? So my priority's gonna be skiing, and there are actually a few other sports I'll be training for at the same time, so I will be a busy, busy boy for the first two months of the year, which is great, because I'll need to lose all this fat that I accumulated over Thanksgiving and Christmas-

   8. KRKevin Rose25:35

      Mm-hmm

   9. TFTim Ferriss25:35

      ... 'cause I know those Danish butter cookies that my mom bought at Costco are just waiting for me.

   10. KRKevin Rose25:39

       Everybody's got their thing.

   11. TFTim Ferriss25:41

       I know it. I know they're sitting there. The one set to failure or multiple sets to failure, training to failure can inhibit your ability to train something sport-specific like skiing if you overdo it. For instance, I would not... Even though you could pack on tons of muscle doing 20 rep set to failure for squats, if you do that and then you try to go skiing the next two or three days-

   12. KRKevin Rose26:05

       Right

   13. TFTim Ferriss26:05

       ... you're gonna be garbage from a fine motor control perspective. But to answer your question directly, I don't, I have not looked at the most recent data on any of this. I'm not sure there exists data comparing these in meaningful ways that do not bias towards one method or another. I have volunteered to be a participant, a subject in certain weightlifting trials. I'm not gonna mention the university 'cause I don't wanna throw them under the bus, but when I went in there, the protocol required us to do 10 reps of bench press for X number of sets, and I went in there, and you'd see one guy get on the bench, 'cause there was a circuit, right? They're trying to make use of basically an open class period for volunteers. And you'd see one person who's dr- basically dropping the weight onto his chest [laughs] at a risk-

   14. KRKevin Rose26:51

       Mm

   15. TFTim Ferriss26:51

       ... of breaking every one of his ribs and-

   16. KRKevin Rose26:53

       Yeah

   17. TFTim Ferriss26:53

       ... bouncing it off.

   18. KRKevin Rose26:54

       Oh, geez, like those sternum presses.

   19. TFTim Ferriss26:55

       Using terrible form.

   20. KRKevin Rose26:56

       Yeah. [laughs]

   21. TFTim Ferriss26:56

       Terrible form, very, very little time under tension, and then you'd see someone else who's doing, like, two seconds up, four seconds down-

   22. KRKevin Rose27:04

       Right

   23. TFTim Ferriss27:04

       ... pause at the chest. Those are not the same 10 repetitions, right?

   24. KRKevin Rose27:08

       Yeah, 100%. Time under tension is completely different.

   25. TFTim Ferriss27:11

       Yeah, so I think garbage in, garbage out for a lot of these studies, so I don't weigh them too heavily. But what I will say is if you are reasonably novice, even intermediate, for training... And by the way, if you've been training for a bunch of years and you haven't made a lot of progress, I would consider you novice, right? If you do a single set to concentric failure per exercise, and I'll come back and then a- answer the what type of exercise and so on that, that you asked.

   26. KRKevin Rose27:38

       Mm-hmm.

   27. TFTim Ferriss27:39

       You will see excellent results, and there may be some incremental gain from doing multiple sets, but it's going to dig into your recovery ability.

   28. KRKevin Rose27:48

       Hmm. So you're saying one set.

   29. TFTim Ferriss27:50

       Yeah. And now let me tell you what the one set means.

   30. KRKevin Rose27:52

       Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what I was gonna get to.
7. 32:37 – 38:02

   Back pain causes and stem cell relief.

   1. TFTim Ferriss32:37

      I have, for instance, my right leg is 1.1 centimeters. I had full leg X-rays done a year ago because a number of doctors [chuckles] thought I was full of shit with this, and I was like, "I really think one leg is longer than the other. I've looked at it a number of different ways." My right leg is about, like femur length, all right, is 0.8 centimeters to 1.1 centimeters.

   2. KRKevin Rose32:57

      Wow.

   3. TFTim Ferriss32:57

      I did two takes of X-rays. So what happens if I'm doing, say, a back squat, is it introduces a rotational force.

   4. KRKevin Rose33:05

      Mm.

   5. TFTim Ferriss33:06

      And that is how I initially turned my mildly bad back pain into really acute horrifying back pain that has persisted now for two years or so. I've made a lot of progress, and I can talk about what's contributed to that. Actually, an experiment recently with stem cells seem to be delivering some very interesting results. I'm not ready to recommend any laboratories related to the production or harvesting of the stem cells, nor any clinics, 'cause I wanna wait until I see more longitudinal results for myself. But the early indications are very positive, and the TLDR on that is that, uh, decided to-- I did not want to inject anything intradiscal. I didn't want to puncture any discs, and there are many reasons for that. I've spoken to a lot of spine mechanic experts and so on. It seems that the long-term risk of having some type of issue with your disc-

   6. KRKevin Rose33:59

      Yeah

   7. TFTim Ferriss34:00

      ... or a rupture is higher if you ever puncture the disc. So I didn't want to do that.

   8. KRKevin Rose34:04

      Yeah.

   9. TFTim Ferriss34:05

      And rather than do that, because my pain is localized to, like, the SI joint and L4, L5, where I do have a bunch of structural issues, we did something maybe a little unorthodox in a sense, and there's something called the iliolumbar ligament, and you have two of them, and people can look this up. But I used to think, and I do still think this, like you're, you're effectively as old as your joints feel.

   10. KRKevin Rose34:31

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TFTim Ferriss34:31

       [chuckles] Right?

   12. KRKevin Rose34:32

       Yeah.

   13. TFTim Ferriss34:32

       I really think there's something to that.

   14. KRKevin Rose34:34

       Especially when you throw your back out and you're like-

   15. TFTim Ferriss34:36

       Yeah

   16. KRKevin Rose34:36

       ... "Fuck." You've never felt older in your life-

   17. TFTim Ferriss34:39

       No

   18. KRKevin Rose34:39

       ... than when you have to crawl to your bed on your hands and knees-

   19. TFTim Ferriss34:42

       Yeah

   20. KRKevin Rose34:42

       ... because your [chuckles] back is thrown out.

   21. TFTim Ferriss34:44

       Yeah, or lay on your bed, or like you have to constantly fidget because your back is bothering you.

   22. KRKevin Rose34:48

       Yes.

   23. TFTim Ferriss34:49

       Where I've started to think there may be, for me, some interesting interventions, because what we did is we did an, an injection. I mean, the, the needle's huge. It's like [chuckles] five to eight inches long.

   24. KRKevin Rose35:02

       Don't look. Yeah.

   25. TFTim Ferriss35:03

       But an injection in the SI joint, but then also bathing the... Didn't want an injection directly into the ligament just because I, I couldn't take the recovery time for that, but to bathe around the ligament with these, these stem cells, MSCs, and within, literally within a day, I felt relief in that area.

   26. KRKevin Rose35:29

       Wow.

   27. TFTim Ferriss35:30

       So it raises questions for me around how you diagnose back pain or look at structural issues and what's visible versus less visible. So in other words, when you look at back pain, oftentimes you do imaging, you look at the spine, and you fixate on the facet joints and the vertebral bodies and the segments and so on. And if you're over the age of 40, your back's gonna look fucked in some way.

   28. KRKevin Rose36:00

       Mm-hmm.

   29. TFTim Ferriss36:01

       Like it's gonna, that's not gonna look great. Like as you get older, just like you get wrinkles on your face, like your back is gonna show degenerative changes almost 100%, especially if you've done any lifting or athletic anything. And what is less obvious though is the health or inflammation associated with some of these ligaments. So I've become super interested based on my recent experience in The, and I know friends from friction massage who have seen tremendous back pain relief.

   30. KRKevin Rose36:33

       What is friction massage?
8. 38:02 – 39:06

   Protein's role in my regimen.

   1. TFTim Ferriss38:02

      the skiing itself.

   2. KRKevin Rose38:03

      One question on the recovery side, you know, is back in the day, it was like one gram of protein per pound of body weight to get, you know, any type of muscle growth.

   3. TFTim Ferriss38:13

      Yep.

   4. KRKevin Rose38:14

      What's your current regimen look like for something like this? 'Cause yeah, I mean, you're not going for massive gains here, so it's not like it'd be perfect, but are you still getting adequate protein? Are you putting a lot of protein in there when you're doing these training days?

   5. TFTim Ferriss38:23

      Yeah, I will. I mean, especially because I'll basically be training at the gym at night before dinner, and I will be skiing and taking very serious technical lessons and trying some pretty gnarly stuff for me in terms of reasonably intense training.

   6. KRKevin Rose38:38

      Like flips and shit or?

   7. TFTim Ferriss38:39

      No, no, no, no, not that intense, no.

   8. KRKevin Rose38:42

      You doing half pipe?

   9. TFTim Ferriss38:43

      No, not half pipe. I'm just talking about like bumps and backcountry stuff.

   10. KRKevin Rose38:47

       Oh, backcountry stuff, yeah.

   11. TFTim Ferriss38:49

       And also, like ski touring. I'll be skinning. Basically, you work your way up the mountain, and then you ski down and stuff. So it's gonna be physically intensive. I'll also be eating quite a lot of carbs, but, but probably I will almost certainly get at least one gram of protein per pound body weight.

   12. KRKevin Rose39:05

       Yeah.

   13. TFTim Ferriss39:05

       I don't think

9. 39:06 – 41:49

   LICUS (Low-Intensity Continuous Ultrasound Therapies).

   1. TFTim Ferriss39:06

      that's overkill.

   2. KRKevin Rose39:07

      All right.

   3. TFTim Ferriss39:08

      And I'll show you one more thing that's kind of fun.

   4. KRKevin Rose39:10

      Yeah.

   5. TFTim Ferriss39:11

      I've been looking very closely at this. I don't feel comfortable promoting any brands yet because I have some technical questions, but I have been experimenting with something called, the acronym is LICUS, L-I-C-U-S, which is... So I've got this.

   6. KRKevin Rose39:29

      Holy shit. What is this thing?

   7. TFTim Ferriss39:30

      And then another one over here.

   8. KRKevin Rose39:31

      If you're not seeing the video, it looks like he's part cyborg now.

   9. TFTim Ferriss39:35

      Yeah, I've got these patches with electrodes and cables coming off, and then you set how many hours you want on this thing, and it is low-intensity continuous ultrasound.

   10. KRKevin Rose39:47

       Is this why you're so chill right now? What's going on? What is this thing doing?

   11. TFTim Ferriss39:50

       No. No, no. [chuckles] This is not why I'm so chill. I mean, who knows? I don't think so.

   12. KRKevin Rose39:54

       [chuckles]

   13. TFTim Ferriss39:54

       This is a device that safely administers low-intensity ultrasound over a period of one to four hours per site of treatment, so I currently have two of these coupling patches, one on the front of my shoulder, one at the rear of the shoulder. I have a bunch of tendonitis around the insertion points of the infraspinatus.

   14. KRKevin Rose40:16

       Oh, so this has nothing to do with your Hawaii trip?

   15. TFTim Ferriss40:18

       No, no, no. This is, this, I've been playing with this for about a month. It's not like-

   16. KRKevin Rose40:21

       For swimming or talking to dolphins.

   17. TFTim Ferriss40:24

       No, no. This is for recovery, but also the low-intensity continuous ultrasound, so LICUS, L-I-C-U-S. You can find a lot of interesting studies on this, and I'll mention a site, I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but consensus.app, which uses AI to assess published literature from reputable journals-

   18. KRKevin Rose40:47

       Mm-hmm

   19. TFTim Ferriss40:47

       ... to determine if something is a thumbs up, thumbs down, or inconclusive.

   20. KRKevin Rose40:52

       Mm.

   21. TFTim Ferriss40:52

       So you could put something in like, "Is there any evidence that low-intensity continuous ultrasound helps with tissue remodeling or whatever, sports recovery?" And you, you'll, you'll get an answer. It's not perfect, but it's actually very helpful to get an initial indication. But this stuff, w- part of what I find interesting about this is unlike some other types of, say, for instance, electrical stimulation, like there are TENS units that you can use that will effectively reduce pain by, and this is not the scientific description, but they're effectively overriding your nerves or overstimulating your nerves with certain frequencies to turn off or mute the pain signaling. That's not what this is doing. This technology seems to actually help with tissue remodeling and proliferation of different growth factors, and I really remember the first time I used this, within an hour, this acute pain in my shoulder just vanished.

   22. KRKevin Rose41:45

       Crazy.

   23. TFTim Ferriss41:46

       Now, could that be placebo? Like, it could be a placebo.

10. 41:49 – 44:17

    Early adoption leads to mainstream affordability.

    1. KRKevin Rose41:49

       What's the cost on this?

    2. TFTim Ferriss41:51

       It's not cheap.

    3. KRKevin Rose41:52

       Yeah.

    4. TFTim Ferriss41:53

       Which is why most people go into a clinic to use something like this, but they get you with the razor blades approach, right?

    5. KRKevin Rose41:59

       Mm.

    6. TFTim Ferriss41:59

       So the device itself, who knows, but these coupling patches are very expensive. So to get, if I'm using it once a day or twice a day, I've been using it a lot, it's like 10 grand for two months.

    7. KRKevin Rose42:13

       Oh, Jesus.

    8. TFTim Ferriss42:14

       It's expensive.

    9. KRKevin Rose42:15

       How much are the patches? Like a grand a pop?

    10. TFTim Ferriss42:18

        One box of four, I think it's four, four, four, four, so it'd be like 16 patches, something like 900 bucks. It's very expensive.

    11. KRKevin Rose42:26

        Damn, that's crazy.

    12. TFTim Ferriss42:27

        But look, there are some people out there for whom this will be out of reach, but you may be able to find a clinic where you could do this on sort of an end, as-needed basis. Who knows? Once a week. There may be some minimum cadence necessary to see the results that you would want, but there are also people out there for whom this may make sense. And hopefully, as this technology, and you've seen this happen a million times, so have I, as it becomes-

    13. KRKevin Rose42:51

        Yeah

    14. TFTim Ferriss42:51

        ... more popular, as the technology gets more developed, as there's more competition, the price drops tremendously.

    15. KRKevin Rose42:59

        You know what's funny is like I've seen in podcasts, you know, you and I have been part of this where like you'll mention something that's like three grand or whatever or something crazy, and they're just like, "Well, that Tim fucking rich guy can afford all these things," blah, blah, blah. But honestly, what happens that I think is so beautiful about this stuff is if you can get the higher end folks to like ... that wanna go and experiment at the edges here, that have the disposable income-

    16. TFTim Ferriss43:23

        Yep

    17. KRKevin Rose43:23

        ... they're doing nothing but dropping the prices for the masses, 'cause they have to ramp up production over time.

    18. TFTim Ferriss43:28

        Yeah, totally.

    19. KRKevin Rose43:29

        It's funny, I- I've seen this happen so many times, even in drugs stuff as well. Like, when I first started taking Repatha as a, as an alternative to cholesterol meds, like, and it wasn't covered out of pocket, it was like $2,500 a month.

    20. TFTim Ferriss43:40

        Yeah.

    21. KRKevin Rose43:40

        It was like ridiculous. And now Amazon has it for 500. That's no insurance, you know?

    22. TFTim Ferriss43:45

        Yep.

    23. KRKevin Rose43:45

        And it's like it just, it takes time for these things to come down and hit the masses, and, and with those VO2 Max machines too that you can get at home now.

    24. TFTim Ferriss43:52

        Mm-hmm.

    25. KRKevin Rose43:52

        I don't know if you messed around with those. I just got one of those.

    26. TFTim Ferriss43:54

        [laughs]

    27. KRKevin Rose43:55

        And it's insane. [laughs] It's insane, but it, it's great 'cause you sa- you don't have to go to the clinic, and you can save the time, and then eventually these will be less expensive for everyone.

    28. TFTim Ferriss44:03

        Yeah. We've seen it with Uber, right? Uber Black in the beginning.

    29. KRKevin Rose44:05

        Yeah.

    30. TFTim Ferriss44:06

        It was definitely kind of a one percenter thing, but it subsidized the development of UberX.
11. 44:17 – 46:59

    Inexpensive injury avoidance/reversal.

    1. TFTim Ferriss44:17

       I would say I'll give people some recommendations that are not expensive at all, uh, which I'm equally focused on, actually more focused on. Like, this is a nice bonus, and I'm still experimenting with it. Jury's out, right? It seems to be very helpful, but-

    2. KRKevin Rose44:32

       Mm-hmm

    3. TFTim Ferriss44:32

       ... I wanna see longer term. There is a chapter in, and I'll see if I can share some of this. I'll put a link in the show notes for people. I'll share at least some of this. There's a chapter in "The 4-Hour Body" called Reversing Permanent Injuries. I will link to it for folks, but the exercises in that still deliver so much, like the bang for the buck in doing some of the Gray Cook exercises, the chop and lift with cable machines, the Turkish getup, even if you're just doing the first portion of that on the ground for shoulder health. I mean, there's so many benefits to a handful of exercises in terms of injury prevention.

    4. KRKevin Rose45:18

       Yeah.

    5. TFTim Ferriss45:19

       And you have to invest in that stuff as you get older if you want to be active, if you want to be athletic. Your body just does not have the elasticity and the regenerative ability that it used to.

    6. KRKevin Rose45:31

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TFTim Ferriss45:32

       And that, for instance, part of the reason I, I went back to that chapter is that the, the chop and lift exercise have a, have a slow under control rotational component that I felt was not dynamically, but still compatible with getting me closer to developing or redeveloping the spinal engine that Nsima Inyang talks about. I was like, "Okay, look, let me take small safe steps towards incorporating some very mild rotational exercises."

    8. KRKevin Rose46:07

       Mm-hmm.

    9. TFTim Ferriss46:09

       And that's where I'm starting.

    10. KRKevin Rose46:11

        That's awesome.

    11. TFTim Ferriss46:12

        Feels good. Feels great, and I'm doing it first thing in the morning. Wake up, cold brew coffee right now, and then... uh, Hawaiian coffee's incredible, so I l- uh, this is, this has been my re-entry. We can [laughs] after my 30, 40 days of abstinence.

    12. KRKevin Rose46:25

        Yeah.

    13. TFTim Ferriss46:26

        Like wake up, immediately have a cold brew, and then go to the gym.

    14. KRKevin Rose46:30

        That's a big shot. Like, Hawaiian coffee's no joke.

    15. TFTim Ferriss46:34

        Yeah.

    16. KRKevin Rose46:34

        That's like, like some strong stuff.

    17. TFTim Ferriss46:36

        It's so good. It's delicious. Some of my favorite coffee on the planet.

    18. KRKevin Rose46:39

        There's something about like how just dark and dense, and it feels very nutrient rich, like antioxidant rich to me, you know?

    19. TFTim Ferriss46:47

        Yeah.

    20. KRKevin Rose46:47

        It's good stuff. The Kona coffee's good.

    21. TFTim Ferriss46:49

        Oh, it's just so delicious, too.

    22. KRKevin Rose46:51

        All right, so we getting a few other predictions and fun things?

    23. TFTim Ferriss46:53

        Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. I mean, we got tons. I just gave several TED Talks, so you should [laughs] let her rip.

12. 46:59 – 54:54

    Apps for tracking and planning finances.

    1. KRKevin Rose46:59

       Yeah, so I'll just do, I'll do some rapid fire fun stuff here. So damn January, I'm not gonna drink, uh, six or less drinks per month. Uh, moving on to investments-

    2. TFTim Ferriss47:06

       I like how you [laughs] just ran through that one.

    3. KRKevin Rose47:09

       [laughs] Like, listen, uh, the, the drinking thing will... I'm, I actually am cutting back a ton. You just noticed I'm not drinking tonight. Look at that.

    4. TFTim Ferriss47:16

       Look at that.

    5. KRKevin Rose47:16

       Hey.

    6. TFTim Ferriss47:17

       Baby steps.

    7. KRKevin Rose47:18

       Baby steps. All right.

    8. TFTim Ferriss47:19

       [laughs]

    9. KRKevin Rose47:19

       So one of the things I've realized, especially as you get older, is that as life gets more complex, there has to be this kind of continual, especially as you have kids and other things, there's this continual reevaluating of your processes and how to make them... Like, every year how can you turn down the knob and, and automate more things than you had the previous year? Just for my own sanity.

    10. TFTim Ferriss47:44

        Or eliminate more things, too.

    11. KRKevin Rose47:46

        Yes. Yes, and so in that theme, I've gotten really simple in the investing front. Like, the vast majority of my exposure is at True Ventures, where we take a lot, on a lot of risks. That's what we do for our j- day jobs. I'm using, I'm gonna try a new app called Monarch, it's not new but it's been around for a while, for tracking my finances and finally get a budget under control starting January.

    12. TFTim Ferriss48:05

        You've been using it, right, for a bit?

    13. KRKevin Rose48:07

        Yeah, I've been using it. It's great.

    14. TFTim Ferriss48:08

        What do you like about it?

    15. KRKevin Rose48:10

        So there's a couple 'em out there that I, I really like. I like for like holistic net worth, just where am I in the world, there's a bunch of tools out there. ProjectionLab is good.

    16. TFTim Ferriss48:22

        Where am I in the world meaning like f- big picture, what does my whole thing look like?

    17. KRKevin Rose48:26

        Yeah, exactly.

    18. TFTim Ferriss48:27

        Mm-hmm.

    19. KRKevin Rose48:27

        And so I would say that ProjectionLab is good at kind of looking where you're spending in terms of- How soon can I retire and what does my retirement look like?

    20. TFTim Ferriss48:35

        Mm-hmm.

    21. KRKevin Rose48:36

        And planning for different scenarios. I think that's probably the best app out there.

    22. TFTim Ferriss48:39

        What was it called?

    23. KRKevin Rose48:40

        Projection Lab.

    24. TFTim Ferriss48:41

        Okay.

    25. KRKevin Rose48:42

        And then I would say that Copilot has always been my favorite on mobile, but Monarch is now just, it ties together all my accounts in a view that I think is more data rich, especially on the budgeting side-

    26. TFTim Ferriss48:54

        Mm-hmm

    27. KRKevin Rose48:54

        ... than Copilot. So I've kinda started to move over to Monarch more full-time.

    28. TFTim Ferriss49:00

        Mm-hmm.

    29. KRKevin Rose49:01

        Which is great. And so, yeah, I mean, those, those two and then, gosh, I'm drawing a blank of the, the last one. For the kind of, like, overview of everything, they're gonna kill me, because it's a fantastic app.

    30. TFTim Ferriss49:14

        Pornhub Premium?
13. 54:54 – 55:45

    Bitcoin and other investment projections.

    1. KRKevin Rose54:54

       going into the new year.

    2. TFTim Ferriss54:55

       Mm.

    3. KRKevin Rose54:55

       And then I got a bunch of predictions going into the new year.

    4. TFTim Ferriss54:58

       So what are some of the predictions at?

    5. KRKevin Rose54:59

       So prediction number one, Bitcoin hits 250, US government starts adding it to the reserves.

    6. TFTim Ferriss55:04

       You think that's in 2025?

    7. KRKevin Rose55:05

       I think that is in the next two years. So I'll, I'll kick that out, say, within the next two years.

    8. TFTim Ferriss55:10

       All right.

    9. KRKevin Rose55:10

       I think several AI companies next year struggle to raise capital and go under, and I'm talking some of the bigs that have raised-

    10. TFTim Ferriss55:16

        Mm-hmm

    11. KRKevin Rose55:16

        ... hundreds of millions of dollars, because I think what's gonna happen is that the... I shouldn't say the bigs, the big players that are in the startup space now, I think the, quote-unquote, "bigs," like the Alphabet companies, are just gonna run the table when it comes to most AI related things. And if that's the case, I kinda just wanna hold those stocks. OpenAI, I'm still, like, you know, they're so intertwined with Microsoft, I think that they'll be fine, plus they're working on other devices as well.

14. 55:45 – 1:03:10

    AI mobile device predictions.

    1. KRKevin Rose55:45

       Speaking of which, one of my predictions it will be that OpenAI launches some type of mobile device, maybe some type of smart headphones this coming year, because they have to be at the metal level, meaning, like, they have to be at the device level that we all carry around. And when you have press and hold Apple Intelligence-

    2. TFTim Ferriss56:02

       Mm-hmm

    3. KRKevin Rose56:02

       ... just by holding on the side of your phone now, and you have press and hold, like, you know how you used to q- query, like, Siri or whatever.

    4. TFTim Ferriss56:07

       Mm-hmm.

    5. KRKevin Rose56:08

       And now you have that same going on with Gemini, with Google. Now you've got AI at the phone level already carried by the big providers to get someone to think like, "Oh, I gotta go download ChatGPT so I can go and switch it out as my assistant and all this, and set up shortcuts and all that." And it's like, if it's, like, 90% as good, people won't care. You know what I mean?

    6. TFTim Ferriss56:29

       Yeah.

    7. KRKevin Rose56:30

       I don't care if I'm streaming Lord of the Rings off of freaking Hulu or Prime or Apple TV, I just wanna watch the movie, right?

    8. TFTim Ferriss56:38

       Yeah.

    9. KRKevin Rose56:38

       And so it's like, I think AI's gonna be kind of like that, where we'll just like, "Oh, I have an Apple phone, so I use Apple Intelligence." That's kinda where it's at.

    10. TFTim Ferriss56:45

        That's interesting. Yeah. Well, so, so you think of, like, where could they get the wedge in the door?

    11. KRKevin Rose56:49

        Right.

    12. TFTim Ferriss56:50

        I think the headset's interesting, right? Because if they made a really good set of basically AirPod clones of some type-

    13. KRKevin Rose56:56

        But intelligent with AI built in, yeah

    14. TFTim Ferriss56:58

        ... that had that built in, but basically they're not gonna replace the iPhone, right? They're not gonna-

    15. KRKevin Rose57:03

        Right

    16. TFTim Ferriss57:03

        ... replace good Android phones for people who already use those, but they could replace wireless AirPods.

    17. KRKevin Rose57:12

        The only way I think they would have a chance at replacing the... not replacing the iPhone, but being a top seller, would be that they do something so first principles oriented where it's like a type of UI/UX that we just haven't even imagined yet.

    18. TFTim Ferriss57:28

        Yeah.

    19. KRKevin Rose57:28

        I heard they were working with Jony Ive on some of this stuff, and so, you know, you got the former, like, industrial designer, head of design for Apple, coming to the table with OpenAI saying, "Hey, let's go back to the drawing board and say if we had to build a phone today, would it be with a series of app icons on here, or might there be a different interface that makes this way more sexy, more fun?" Like, you know.

    20. TFTim Ferriss57:49

        Yeah.

    21. KRKevin Rose57:50

        'Cause, like, the future is not gonna be, hey, I'm gonna go launch hotels.com app and say, "Get me a room in Japan in two weeks," negotiate all the things, put in my credit card credentials. It's gonna be literally you open your AI and you say, "Hey, can you get me a room for Japan at this hotel in two weeks?" And it'll be like, "Which room do you want? These three things," blah, blah, blah. And you're like, "This room." And it's like, boom, it's already got my information.

    22. TFTim Ferriss58:12

        Yeah.

    23. KRKevin Rose58:13

        It's all APIs behind the scenes. It hands all that data over. The exchange is done, the payment is done, and it's just like it's finalized within 30 seconds versus a 15-minute thing.

    24. TFTim Ferriss58:23

        Yeah. That's true. I mean, I guess what someone like OpenAI could do is something along the lines of a fantasy I've had for a long time [chuckles] which is like a, a very dumb phone that... I remember last, this is a y- almost a year ago, I was telling my friends, "It'd be great to have a one-button phone."

    25. KRKevin Rose58:44

        Mm.

    26. TFTim Ferriss58:45

        And the one-button phone at that time would have basically sent voice or routed a phone call to a virtual assistant or someone who handles everything for me.

    27. KRKevin Rose58:57

        Mm-hmm.

    28. TFTim Ferriss58:57

        Outside of, like, Google Maps. It's like, all right, I have Maps, and then I have one request button for everything.

    29. KRKevin Rose59:02

        Right.

    30. TFTim Ferriss59:03

        And that's it.
15. 1:03:10 – 1:03:56

    AI's place in the future of music creation.

    1. KRKevin Rose1:03:10

       of aliens.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:03:11

       [laughs]

    3. KRKevin Rose1:03:11

       And then one last thing which I think we'll see is we're gonna see a very massive unlock in creativity around music creation-

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:03:19

       Mm-hmm

    5. KRKevin Rose1:03:19

       ... happening in the next couple of years. So the same way that we're able to prompt and type in, like, "Show me a fox swimming underwater grabbing an apple," and now we, you can't even tell it wasn't shot, you know? And it's like, you know, it's just being generated, these little 4K snippets. I think there's gonna be a way to prompt music creation in a very fun and exciting explosion of creativity that will make an average consumer sound like they can be a real producer for the first time.

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:03:47

       Yep.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:03:47

       Just 'cause I've seen some of these early betas and they're, they're a lot of fun.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:03:50

       Yeah. I mean, I think the, I think that's the next 12 months, maybe 18 max.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:03:54

       Yeah, I think 18 sounds about

16. 1:03:56 – 1:16:13

    We're not saying it's aliens, but...

    1. KRKevin Rose1:03:56

       right. Yeah.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:03:56

       So you skipped over damp January, which is fine. We'll let that sit.

    3. KRKevin Rose1:04:01

       Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be fine.

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:04:02

       But aliens. Tell me more about the aliens.

    5. KRKevin Rose1:04:05

       Uh, I mean, I just-

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:04:06

       And what the hell is going on in New Jersey? Honestly, I just think I have been ignoring most of the news.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:04:11

       Yeah, I have kind of too. I feel in the last three years, and I got a really awesome chance to sit down with that Navy fighter pilot that saw some of these things and, you know, there has been so much inquiry now and then there also is a new change in government obviously that's pushing for so much more transparency. And I think that when you have someone like, you know, and we don't have to get into politics, whether you love them or hate them or anything else, but when you have someone like Elon Musk in there being Elon, like I can see this shaking free or at least the uncovering of whatever we know in this domain being kind of declassified.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:04:46

       Yeah.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:04:47

       And that to me is just horribly scary slash exciting at the same time. [chuckles]

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:04:53

        Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Crazy. Yeah.

    11. KRKevin Rose1:04:56

        What are the odds that you would place, honestly? In my head it's, like, 90% there's aliens out there and that we know about it as a government.

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:05:03

        [chuckles] I mean, I guess we haven't talked about this because I don't wanna sound like a fucking crazy person, but there was a point where this conversation was in the air enough. I was like, "Okay. Let me do a deep dive to see what we can say with any degree of certainty and what we can't say with any degree of certainty."

    13. KRKevin Rose1:05:26

        Mm-hmm.

    14. TFTim Ferriss1:05:28

        And looking at government reports, looking at various first-person testimony f- about the Tic Tac and so on [chuckles]

    15. KRKevin Rose1:05:37

        Mm-hmm

    16. TFTim Ferriss1:05:38

        ... that are very widely cited, and trying to account for the possibility that some of these people, not all of them, and not necessarily the people involved with Tic Tac, may see some benefit or appeal like every human being on social media to getting attention, right? So you have to add that in as a possible contributing factor.

    17. KRKevin Rose1:05:59

        Mm-hmm.

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:06:00

        What can we conclude based on the available data? And what seems to be the case if you're looking at UAPs, right? [chuckles] So these, uh, I guess it's what? Unidentified aerial phenomena now, so they rebrand from UFO.

    19. KRKevin Rose1:06:15

        It's good. It's a good rebrand.

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:06:16

        So you don't sound like someone wearing a tinfoil hat.

    21. KRKevin Rose1:06:19

        Yeah.

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:06:20

        And part of the reason that it's aerial phenomena as opposed to flying object is because the vast majority of these can be explained by, say, high altitude weather balloons or meteorological phenomena that cause a strange visual effect in the sky that is noticeable by humans from the ground. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? There are, like, a 95-plus percent can be accounted for by that, or a 90-plus percent. Then you have also a long government history of covering up Test craft flights and so on with reports of UFOs, right?

    23. KRKevin Rose1:07:05

        Mm-hmm.

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:07:05

        So there's a, there's a crash of some prototype of some type of weaponized technology or surveillance technology, and especially many, many decades ago, they're worried about that news getting to our enemies/competitors [laughs] overseas, so they drum up a misinformation campaign around it being a UFO. Okay, so there's also a bunch of that. Taking all of that into account, if you look at congressional testimony and a bunch of other things, there do seem to be quite a few examples of documented phenomena, often recorded from multiple video sources that defy explanation. They seem to defy explanation, and the descriptions of the behavior of these things seem to defy any explanation using technology that is currently available to us. But I would say that the idea that there are, like, little green men in these ships strikes me as kind of ridiculous, unless they're tourists who just, like, are on safari seeing what-

    25. KRKevin Rose1:08:11

        Mm-hmm

    26. TFTim Ferriss1:08:11

        ... humans are doing.

    27. KRKevin Rose1:08:12

        Yeah.

    28. TFTim Ferriss1:08:13

        Because if they're sufficiently advanced to do what some people report these craft doing, why on earth would they have... Like, we're already using drones for warfare and all-

    29. KRKevin Rose1:08:25

        Yeah

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:08:25

        ... sorts of things. Why would they risk-
17. 1:16:13 – 1:25:30

    David Bars, Maui Nui Venison, and ethical wild meat harvesting.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:16:13

       All right, that's all you got. So I'll talk about a couple of things which are not related to predictions. Maybe I have some predictions. Maybe they'll come out organically. So you're talking about protein.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:16:21

       Yeah.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:16:22

       I'll mention a few things that might be of interest to folks. So, you know, while I've been here, I've been on the go. I'll also talk about why I seem so chill.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:16:32

       Mm-hmm.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:16:32

       Which I think I can nail pretty easily to one thing. So the first, and this is a company I'm super heavily involved with, but I mean, I'm involved with it because I believe in it a lot. So these... So you've seen these venison sticks.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:16:46

       Yeah, yeah.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:16:46

       These Axis Deer venison sticks, Maui Nui Venison. It's the, it is the most nutrient-dense red meat that you can get, and the most ethically harvest- harvested, in my opinion, red meat that you can get. What's interesting about this one, this is a brand-new product that I've c- I've been consuming two or three of these a day. It's basically a multivitamin [chuckles] in a meat product because it has... This is called Peppered 10, and it's got-

    8. KRKevin Rose1:17:10

       Mm-hmm

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:17:10

       ... 10% liver and heart-

    10. KRKevin Rose1:17:12

        Oh, crazy

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:17:13

        ... in addition to the muscle, and it is incredible how much nutrient density you get from that. And then the other one, which I don't actually have any official relationship with whatsoever, but shout out to also Peter Attia, who we both know, who's-

    12. KRKevin Rose1:17:30

        Mm-hmm

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:17:30

        ... the chief science officer. This is David.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:17:32

        Yes.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:17:32

        So these David Bars have incredible protein per calorie ratios, 28 grams of protein, 150 calories. So when I am traveling, especially when I'm traveling, this is basically the kit.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:17:46

        Yeah. I do the David Bars too. They're good. Th- One of them was a little too sweet for me, but the, the blueberry one's really good.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:17:51

        Yeah, some of them are a little too sweet for my palate, but also there is a point where I'm like, "I cannot eat another venison stick," because I eat-

    18. KRKevin Rose1:17:59

        Yeah, yeah

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:18:00

        ... so many of those per week. And we're in Maui, meaning my team and I are in Maui right now because we wanted to visit Maui Nui because-

    20. KRKevin Rose1:18:09

        Oh, that's awesome

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:18:09

        ... Jake Muse is one of the most impressive company leaders and operators I've ever seen, including all of my startups in tech and otherwise. He's so good at talent development. He's so good at culture, and it's a great example of doing good through a for-profit, and I just think that type of model is important to highlight because there is a lot of good you can do through sort of market-driven solutions. And in this case, what Maui Nui Venison does, people don't know, axis deer were introduced, they're originally from India, to Hawaii by King Kamehameha III or V, I can't recall exactly. They have no natural predators, and now there are, like, tens of thousands of these deer ravaging the landscape. And so they're destroying the ecology, and that has all sorts of downstream effects, literally and metaphorically, including destroying coral reefs because they produce a lot of erosion, and it's really alarming. It looks like wildfire, effectively. So what Maui Nui does is they harvest these deer, meaning they shoot them in the field at night for lowest stress levels for the animals, and it's incredibly well run. They're sort of a ... efficiency ratio is as good as, say, slaughterhouses for cattle, which are very stressful for the animals, right? They're factory farmed, then they're put into chutes, they're literally held in place, and then boom, like bolt in the head. This, for my money, is infinitely more ethical. I mean, the animal is, like, wild and free, living its life until the very instant that it instantaneously expires.

    22. KRKevin Rose1:19:55

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:19:55

        Then they package that and they sell it.

    24. KRKevin Rose1:19:58

        Best way to go.

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:19:59

        Yeah.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:20:00

        Well, let's just go out on a Maui Nui field when we're, like, old. Like, they'll just put us out in the field. We'll just run. [laughs]

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:20:05

        When we can no longer harness our-

    28. KRKevin Rose1:20:07

        Yeah, exactly

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:20:07

        ... our spinal engine. It's like, "Well, it's time. It's time to put Kevin out to pasture."

    30. KRKevin Rose1:20:12

        Yeah. [laughs]
18. 1:25:30 – 1:26:32

    Alternative field trips considered.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:25:30

       was this trip. So my team got to, got to [laughs] ride around in these You know, ATVs and see the displays and really see the whole process.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:25:38

       That's amazing. How does that not surprise me that every single one on your team... Like, if you work for Tim Ferriss and, and you're like, you're like, "Hey, we're going on a hunt tonight," like is there one person that's gonna be like, "Uh, no," you're like, "You're fucking fired." [laughs]

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:25:50

       No, no.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:25:51

       [laughs]

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:25:51

       I wouldn't fire them. I wouldn't fire them. I mean, it's-

    6. KRKevin Rose1:25:54

       I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:25:55

       Yeah. You know, it's quite a bit to take in.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:25:57

       [laughs] I know.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:25:58

       But what I wanted to do, and this is actually not my idea, this is the suggestion of one of my employees, they wanted first-hand experience with one of the companies or nonprofits that I support.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:26:08

        Mm.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:26:09

        And initially we'd thought about doing something with Amazon Conservation Team because I've done a lot of work with them in, in Colombia and Suriname and other places, but that would have involved two weeks off the grid-

    12. KRKevin Rose1:26:20

        Yeah

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:26:20

        ... and would have been very complicated from a logistics perspective.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:26:25

        Maybe they're talking about your psychedelic donations that you've been doing. [laughs]

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:26:28

        Wait, what was this?

    16. KRKevin Rose1:26:29

        Maybe they're talking about your psychedelic research that you've been doing, the-

19. 1:26:32 – 1:28:49

    From a simmering seven or eight to a chill two.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:26:32

       Oh, yeah. I don't think I feel comfortable sending my employees to the seventh [laughs] eighth dimension just yet.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:26:37

       [laughs]

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:26:37

       But who knows? So that's what I've been up to. And then on the calming side, on the grounding side-

    4. KRKevin Rose1:26:42

       Yeah, you're like a two on your... Typically like a, a s- nice toasty seven or eight.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:26:48

       Simmering seven.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:26:49

       You seem very chill.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:26:51

       Yeah. So I'd say chill, certainly Hawaii helps, certainly good sleep helps, exercise helps, but-

    8. KRKevin Rose1:26:58

       Valium. [laughs]

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:27:00

       [laughs] Yeah.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:27:00

        I feel like I took three Valium before I started the show.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:27:03

        I've got the LICUS on this shoulder, I've got my morphine drip on the other.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:27:06

        Yeah, exactly. Your morphine patch, slow release.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:27:08

        No, it's not morphine. It is not morphine. It's, it's meditating twice a day and-

    14. KRKevin Rose1:27:14

        Amazing

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:27:15

        ... yeah. And I've been doing it for probably a month now, and I started it in part as a response to a disappointing result from a booster of accelerated TMS. So we spoke several shows ago about accelerated TMS and how my five-day bout, let's just call it, or treatment with accelerated TMS had the greatest durable impact on my generalized anxiety that I've ever experienced. This includes psychedelic s- therapies.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:27:51

        Mm.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:27:51

        The accelerated TMS, which is a non-invasive treatment using transcranial magnetic stimulation over a five-day period in this case, where you're getting treated basically eight minutes every hour on the hour for 10 hours a day. So it's, it's very involved. Like when you're doing it, that's all you're doing-

    18. KRKevin Rose1:28:07

        Mm-hmm

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:28:07

        ... for effectively a week. And it was phenomenal and I will almost certainly do it again, but five days is a lot and I wanted to see if I could do it with less. So first I tried a two-day booster, or it might have been a single-day booster, and it was not enough. It did nothing. Then I went back, and this is going to California, and I did a three-day booster, also not enough. So I just wasted a lot of time, a lot of money trying to round down and it didn't do anything, and I found that very disheartening. It just means I need to go back and do the five days and figure out the right cadence, but it's very expensive to do this and it's very time-consuming. So

20. 1:28:49 – 1:36:21

    Aversion-defusing meditation — this is The Way.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:28:50

       I then was looking at different meditation options and this has, you know, since become a company that I'm very heavily involved with. But The Way, Henry Shukman, your man.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:29:00

       Love Henry.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:29:01

       Who you initially introduced me to, and I've introduced my employees to The Way, which is an app, and the sessions, you can make them longer or shorter. I set them at 10 minutes. And I was very skeptical because I did TM, you know, transcendental meditation back in the day, which is 20 minutes twice a day, and I assumed that 10 minutes, like, yeah, it'll be kinda relaxing but it's really not gonna have much of a cumulative effect, and I was completely wrong.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:29:29

       Mm.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:29:29

       Doing 10 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes either before dinner or before bed, but making it like brushing your teeth.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:29:35

       Yes.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:29:35

       It's a non-negotiable.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:29:36

       Exactly.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:29:36

       Right? It's just a non-negotiable. You just do it like you would do anything else that is non-negotiable. And doing those 10 minutes twice a day has been incredible because it has effectively gotten me to, I think, a similar level of lower generalized anxiety that I got from spending th- you know, 30 to 50 grand to do this experimental-

    10. KRKevin Rose1:30:03

        Holy shit

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:30:03

        ... TMS therapy.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:30:04

        I didn't know it was that much.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:30:06

        That is all-inclusive, right? So that's like the treatment, the hotels, the flights, uh, so on and so forth, right? It, it adds up. And you can do it for less. That was with a MagVentures device which I think is quite interesting. Brainsway is another one that's very interesting and works well for a lot of other people. It doesn't have to be that expensive, but for me I was like, look, let me pay for like the white glove ultra high touch best option and if that doesn't work for me I'm gonna conclude that I can't, I cannot recommend this therapeutic intervention because this is as good as it gets.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:30:41

        Mm-hmm.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:30:41

        And the idea that you can meditate 10 minutes a day with an app, and people can check it out, thewayapp.com is the app. Henry Shukman has the most relaxing voice you'll ever hear in your life.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:30:54

        He's the best. Yeah.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:30:56

        And I think the app gives you 30 sessions for free.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:31:00

        That's right.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:31:01

        So you can get a real flavor for it. It's not like, oh, you get two chances and... At least when I used it the first time I didn't have to use my credit card. And by the way, even though I'm an investor, uh, because I product test everything and love giving feedback, as Kevin has seen I've sent like a million Looms to [laughs] the co-founders as product feedback. Was like, no, I wanna pay for it 'cause if there's a glitch in the system I wanna know what the glitch is. And I want to report it. So I paid for it, and you get 30. So that's either if you're doing 10 minutes a day, that's 30 days. If you're doing two a day, that's two weeks. It's plenty of time to either-

    20. KRKevin Rose1:31:38

        Yeah

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:31:38

        ... notice or not notice an effect. But what, what else would you say about, about Henry?

    22. KRKevin Rose1:31:43

        Yeah, I think I will say that what is a challenging thing that, to always navigate on the investment stuff, although I love my new as well, I just ordered the sticks, the, the 10 sticks. Those are gonna be good.

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:31:53

        They're so good.

    24. KRKevin Rose1:31:54

        I'm not an investor there, but I, I do love their product. One thing that you won't see that I'll tell you the behind-the-scenes is like, uh, Tim, I was hitting you up and I was like, "Oh, dude, you know," you invested, but you hadn't really given it a full deep dive run, right?

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:32:06

        Yep.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:32:06

        And you were like, "Oh, man, I, I don't know," like I, I really have to like, y- to your defense and your credit, and this shows you kind of like the behind the scenes of why, Tim, I respect you so much, is like you didn't want to ever t- really kind of talk about this or really like overly endorse it until you had really put it through your own personal rigor.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:32:26

        Super deep dive. Yeah.

    28. KRKevin Rose1:32:28

        Yeah. And then the, the first thing is I get on the phone call with the team 'cause I, we do investor updates with them, or I do investor updates with them 'cause I led their, their round every month and, and they're like, "Yeah, Tim sent us like another 10 looms." Like [laughs] he's, he's got all this feedback.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:32:42

        Yeah.

    30. KRKevin Rose1:32:42

        He's got all this feedback and he's like... And they were quick to implement that stuff, which was awesome.
21. 1:36:21 – 1:37:08

    Retreat!

    1. KRKevin Rose1:36:21

       Yeah. It's good stuff. It's perfect time too. It's New Year's. Get a New Year's resolution. This is like gonna be, this is gonna be a big one for me.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:36:28

       You know, it's funny because I'm looking at the number of retreats, 'cause I've done, you know, I've done quite a few now, and I'm like, oh God, I don't want this to end. Like what am I gonna do when, when I'm like through the entire program? Am I gonna run out of Henry? But I have so much left. It's great.

    3. KRKevin Rose1:36:42

       Well, also, you're gonna come with me to a seven-day retreat. We gotta make that happen this year, like an in-person one.

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:36:47

       Yeah. I'm game.

    5. KRKevin Rose1:36:48

       We'll do a five-day one.

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:36:49

       Yeah. Yeah. Look, I'm open to it.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:36:51

       As long as you don't eat a lot of [laughs] mushrooms before you go.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:36:53

       Yeah. Fast for six days and eat microdose while I'm doing it, but I'm-

    9. KRKevin Rose1:36:57

       Yeah

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:36:57

        ... probably overkill.

    11. KRKevin Rose1:36:58

        That's not a good first... You said you probably have some PTSD from that one.

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:37:01

        Oh, it was not a wise set of decisions. There were, there were, bad decisions were made on my part.

22. 1:37:08 – 1:42:52

    Making time for friendship bonding.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:37:08

       I'd be game to talk about that. So let's talk about-

    2. KRKevin Rose1:37:09

       Sweet

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:37:10

       ... actually New Year's resolutions for a second because this ties in.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:37:12

       Yeah.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:37:13

       I literally just did my past year review, which I do every year. I go through my calendar kind of week by week. I did that today. I also looked forward to the next year, and what I've already been doing over the last month or two, and I'd encourage people to think about this, like instead of thinking about New Year's resolutions, think about New Year's reservations. New Year's reservations. What does that mean? It means what are you putting in your calendar? It's, if it's not on your calendar, it's not real, right?

    6. KRKevin Rose1:37:40

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:37:40

       It's like, okay, so if you want to, like, exercise or this and this and this, like, hire a trainer or book a program or buy a membership. Get time in your calendar, right? So what are your New Year's reservations? And for me, the core of that is extended periods of time with close friends.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:38:00

       Mm-hmm.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:38:01

       Right? Those people who I know are, are going to give me energy, who are going to leave me feeling better about my life and the, and the world and optimistic, those are the relationships I want to invest in. And so I go through the year and, for instance, January, February, it's like I've rented a house and it's stupidly expensive for me, but I put together a Google spreadsheet and I'm inviting friends to come join.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:38:32

        I'll see you late January. I don't know if you saw it. It's on our, on our list.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:38:35

        Yeah.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:38:35

        I'm gonna buy some skis too. I'm gonna do some skiing, so-

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:38:38

        Yeah. Awesome

    14. KRKevin Rose1:38:38

        ... I'm excited.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:38:39

        It's gonna be fantastic. I'll give you another example, and you're invited. I haven't actually talked to anybody about this. I did it on the sly, but next August, I booked a week in, in the Rockies for alpine survivalist training with this amazing outdoorsman, and I'm gonna invite, you know, five to seven guys.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:39:02

        Dude, that sounds amazing.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:39:03

        Yeah. So if you're interested, I can tell you more about that. It's gonna be incredible.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:39:08

        Yeah, that sounds fantastic.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:39:09

        I pay a lot of attention to the details for this type of thing.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:39:12

        I've always loved that shit, you know? Like, with-

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:39:13

        Yeah

    22. KRKevin Rose1:39:13

        ... my Eagle Scout and being a Boy Scout. Like, I wanna dig little tunnels that I can, like, sleep in and shit-

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:39:17

        [laughs]

    24. KRKevin Rose1:39:18

        ... in the fucking ice and shit. Like, I'm-

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:39:19

        Yeah

    26. KRKevin Rose1:39:19

        ... I'm totally down.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:39:20

        So we'll have adventures like that. And it doesn't have to be a week long. It could be a long weekend, right? It could be-

    28. KRKevin Rose1:39:25

        Yeah

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:39:26

        ... every year, you know, some of my closest friends come, and it depends on the cast of characters. Like, it's not always the same people every year, but for, like, a annual reunion in the summer of old friends, right? And in this case, because I do get questions about this sometimes, like, "Well, why isn't it a mixed group?" It's not a mixed gender group because unfortunately in modern society, especially on the coasts where people tend to get highfalutin and fancy and brainwash themselves into all sorts of unproductive things, that there are very few socially acceptable male only activities or groups, and there are just not many options outside of perhaps certain sports environments. So since that is a rarity, right, people are by default going to be in mixed groups, and I think women generally do a very good job, and it's socially acceptable to have female only activities and groups and so on, but a lot of men don't have that. Most of my friends don't have that, and that type of experience becomes less and less common as they get married and have kids and so on and get busy. So-

    30. KRKevin Rose1:40:32

        Yeah
23. 1:42:52 – 1:46:01

    NOBNOM complete. System reset.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:42:52

       Yeah.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:42:52

       That's great.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:42:52

       And then other news, finished my NOBNOM, which is no booze, no masturbating 30-day challenge, which a lot of my [laughs] readers and fans joined me on. I also did no coffee. So I was allowed to have tea, but I didn't do coffee, and it was a fantastic reset. And in the last week, not to get too TMI, but it's like, okay, all of those things have been reintroduced.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:43:19

       Yeah, you just went to town.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:43:20

       Like, I really liked the cleansing of the dopamine palate, and these are addictive, these can be addictive behaviors, right? All of them. So I think there's a very good chance that I'm gonna be... I have to think about it a little bit just because so many people will be visiting, but, uh, very, very either completely dry for January or-

    6. KRKevin Rose1:43:42

       [laughs] You're like, "Some people are gonna visit me, I'm just gonna have to like-

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:43:46

       Masturbate in the living room

    8. KRKevin Rose1:43:47

       ... masturbate [laughs] Like it's, got so many friends coming over. [laughs] Like it's just gotta, just gotta go down. [laughs]

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:43:55

       What kind of party is this? I didn't get the memo.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:43:57

        [laughs] Yeah.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:43:57

        Uh-

    12. KRKevin Rose1:43:57

        Yeah, Tim's back on. Like just give him a few minutes. Like just-

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:44:00

        Yeah, sorry guys

    14. KRKevin Rose1:44:01

        ... you understand. He's been depriving himself. Like he needs-

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:44:03

        Is Tim ever not in his bathrobe? What's going on here?

    16. KRKevin Rose1:44:06

        Yeah, [laughs] exactly.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:44:08

        Uh, [laughs] yeah. So no, that's the alcohol side. So yeah, all that stuff I think I might, might continue all of that for January. We'll see.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:44:17

        That's great.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:44:18

        But it really was a fantastic reset, and I think it contributed to the lowered anxiety and kinda how chill I am right now, frankly.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:44:26

        Yeah.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:44:27

        And there was an interview I think Peter Attia did with a psychiatrist, a female psychiatrist who was saying when somebody comes in and say they're s- a heavy cannabis user, and they use it for like reducing anxiety and chronic pain or whatever. Actually, in this case it wouldn't be chronic pain, it would be they're using it for what they believe to be reducing anxiety. But they've, they've developed this sort of hedonic adaptation to the cannabis-

    22. KRKevin Rose1:44:52

        Mm

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:44:52

        ... consumption.

    24. KRKevin Rose1:44:53

        Mm-hmm.

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:44:54

        That before she'll prescribe other medications, before she'll work on the talk therapy, she'll try to get them to abstain from, say, cannabis use for two to four weeks. And lo and behold, in many cases, like anxiety drops to the floor.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:45:07

        Yeah.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:45:07

        Just by that intervention.

    28. KRKevin Rose1:45:08

        Yeah.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:45:09

        And that was partially what inspired me to do the 30 days of abstinence from these things, is to s- is to see, okay, what does it look like to reset the system?

    30. KRKevin Rose1:45:20

        Mm.
24. 1:46:01 – 1:48:33

    The benefits of taking a break from alcohol.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:46:01

       my mind. What else you got, Kevin? Anything else you'd like to add?

    2. KRKevin Rose1:46:03

       Nah, I'm in the same boat as you with the alcohol stuff. It's so funny how the last few years if you go back it's been like, oh, I'm gonna do X number of days, and there's been like this hard and fast rule and it was like, don't break it, just force yourself through it. And it's like one of the things I realized in the last few weeks, especially with all the holiday parties and things that I've had, I'm like, I just have to understand that there are gonna be moments when you go out and you have a couple drinks with friends. And-

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:46:29

       Yep

    4. KRKevin Rose1:46:29

       ... but it has to be an occasion, not just a night at home where you're like, "Oh, let's pop a bottle of wine and have some alcohol," you know? It's like-

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:46:39

       Yeah

    6. KRKevin Rose1:46:39

       ... I would much rather it be about a special moment with a friend enjoying a good meal than have it be just this constant thing that just kinda makes you, not hungover, but just not your best version of yourself, you know?

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:46:55

       Yeah.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:46:55

       Like you said about the an- anxiety stuff.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:46:57

       Mm-hmm.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:46:57

        Like a lot of that, you don't even realize it 'cause you think that substance is actually reducing anxiety, but in reality, if it's too many times in a month, it's like depleting you of all kinds of nutrients and B vitamins and like it adds to actually more anxiety by just partaking in it. So it's like this horrible thing.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:47:18

        Oh, yeah. I mean, it also fucks up your sleep, right?

    12. KRKevin Rose1:47:20

        Yeah.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:47:20

        So I mean, the big one-

    14. KRKevin Rose1:47:21

        Big time

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:47:21

        ... is like, yeah, it's gonna reduce your anxiety for two to three hours, and then you're gonna feel like dog shit for 12.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:47:27

        Right.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:47:27

        And some people handle it better than others, but what I've found also is that by doubling down on exercise, like exercise is the lead domino that tips over all of these other habits more easily.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:47:39

        Yes.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:47:40

        What I mean by that is if I know I have a half-day ski lesson that starts at 8:30 or 8:00 AM, depends on the snowfall, and then I have more training later that night, if I have had two or three drinks the night before, I'm going to be punished.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:47:55

        Right.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:47:55

        Right? There are consequences. And maybe it's not feeling terrible, but my performance is terrible, and I hate losing, I hate not improving. I love improving. And it's a corrective mechanism, right?

    22. KRKevin Rose1:48:10

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:48:10

        If I don't have that in place, and I'm just sitting in front of a laptop and maybe it, the performance drop isn't as noticeable, it's not as obvious, then it's harder for me to hold myself to that line perhaps. But-

    24. KRKevin Rose1:48:25

        Yeah

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:48:25

        ... the, you know, the more movement, more exercise, the more everything else falls in line in my experience.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:48:31

        Agreed.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:48:32

        Yeah.

25. 1:48:33 – 1:53:32

    A few reading recommendations.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:48:33

       All right, man. Well, I'm excited for 2025.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:48:35

       I am too.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:48:35

       I got all sorts of crazy shit coming.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:48:37

       I do too.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:48:37

       I'm super, super stoked.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:48:39

       We're gonna hang, I'm presuming at South By.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:48:41

       Oh, yeah.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:48:41

       Well, we'll s- I'll see you in January, but-

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:48:42

       Of course. Yeah.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:48:43

        Yeah.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:48:43

        We're gonna, we're gonna see each other in Jan, and then got a lot of, lot of fun stuff coming for South By. [laughs]

    12. KRKevin Rose1:48:49

        Yeah. We'll have to let people in on that at a later date in terms of when to come hang with us.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:48:55

        Yeah.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:48:56

        Yeah, we're gonna do a little... We'll do something. We'll do something on stage and something fun-

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:48:59

        Yeah, yeah

    16. KRKevin Rose1:48:59

        ... around that time, so.

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:49:01

        Keep your eyes and ears peeled for news at some point in the near future, which should be very exciting.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:49:07

        Sounds good.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:49:08

        Good to see you, buddy.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:49:09

        Yeah. Happy New Year and happy holidays.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:49:11

        Yeah, happy holidays, happy New Year.

    22. KRKevin Rose1:49:13

        Give your fam the best.

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:49:14

        Yeah, same to you, man. Same to you and yours. And for everybody listening, we'll put links to stuff we mentioned in the show notes, tim.blog/podcast, and we'll put everything in there. And I'll give one more rec, which is, I'm totally unaffiliated with this, but in addition to The Way, I've been listening to a recording, uh, which was actually sent to me by a friend who took the, the audio tapes and converted it into MP3, but there's an easier option 'cause I found it on Audible. It's called The Present Moment: A Retreat on the Practice of Mindfulness by Thich Nhat Hanh. So Thich Nhat Hanh-

    24. KRKevin Rose1:49:52

        Mm

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:49:52

        ... I've been a fan of forever, and his books had a huge impact on me, but I'd never heard his voice.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:49:59

        Mm-hmm.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:49:59

        I had never heard his voice, and this is a recorded retreat-

    28. KRKevin Rose1:50:03

        Yes

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:50:04

        ... with guided meditations and so on.

    30. KRKevin Rose1:50:06

        I know this retreat. Yeah, it's amazing.
26. 1:53:32 – 1:53:51

    Parting thoughts.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:53:32

       Awesome, brother. Well, lovely to see you. As always, give a hug to Dar Dar and the kiddos and Toasty for me.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:53:40

       Will do. Please pet Molly for me-

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:53:42

       [laughs]

    4. KRKevin Rose1:53:43

       ... and tell your parents I said hello, and-

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:53:45

       I will

    6. KRKevin Rose1:53:45

       ... happy holidays, brother. Love ya, and-

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:53:47

       Yeah

    8. KRKevin Rose1:53:47

       ... I'll see you in Jan.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:53:48

       Yeah. Love you too, buddy. I'll see you in January. Happy holidays.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:53:51

        Happy holidays.

Episode duration: 1:54:03