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The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!

Technologist, serial entrepreneur, world-class investor, self-experimenter, and all-around wild and crazy guy Kevin Rose (@KevinRose), rejoins me for another episode of "The Random Show."

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Apr 29, 20201h 25mWatch on YouTube

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  1. 0:00 – 0:15

    Intro

    1. KR

      [upbeat music]

  2. 0:15 – 1:19

    Live quarantine hangout begins: why go boozy and live

    1. KR

      Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode of The Random Show. I am Kevin Rose.

    2. TF

      I am Tim Ferriss.

    3. KR

      Tim Ferriss is, of course, a bestselling New York Times author, inventor of the term the China virus, and... No, I'm just kidding. I, I-

    4. TF

      True fact. True fact.

    5. KR

      And-

    6. TF

      Not true fact

    7. KR

      Not true fact. Uh, and we're, we're thrilled, dude. This is awesome. This is like, what a great break from the chaos than to hang out.

    8. TF

      It is. Yeah, it is, and it... I'll give you credit for the idea of doing something live, which I th- I think, at least for me, is very stress-reducing and calming amidst all this uncertainty, to have an actual time where you see your friends' faces. And I've not been drinking at all, so it's actually exciting to have a little bit of boozy booze. Cheers, Kevin.

    9. KR

      Cheers.

    10. TF

      And everybody out there.

    11. KR

      Yes. Cheers everyone watching.

    12. TF

      Thanks for joining.

    13. KR

      And...

  3. 1:19 – 2:36

    What they’re drinking (and Tim’s hangover “mitigation” stack)

    1. TF

      Well, let's, let's, uh, perhaps start with what we're, what we're drinking here.

    2. KR

      Yeah.

    3. TF

      What are you having?

    4. KR

      So, um, our mutual friend, um, Will Harlan, I'm having the Mascot 2012, which is a fantastic, uh, Cabernet, um, out of Napa Valley. Um, highly recommend checking out their site. Um, yeah, it's called the Mascot, and it's, uh, one of my favorite Cabs for sure.

    5. TF

      So this is something I just pulled out, and I've no idea where this came from. [laughs] I didn't buy it, so it is whatever that is. I can't pronounce French particularly well. T-Y-D-Y Sauvignon Blanc 2017.

    6. KR

      What do you... Is this like someone sent this to you? If you didn't buy it-

    7. TF

      I think it was pr- nah, I mean, almost all of my wine has been given to me. Uh, and this just got yanked out, so I decided to go white. Took a little magnesium threonate and L-lysine and a few other things to mitigate the hangover, since I expect I'll probably finish this-

    8. KR

      [laughs]

    9. TF

      ... during this conversation. And we'll see, we'll see how that works. I think it could be futile.

    10. KR

      Yeah.

    11. TF

      So to be, to be, to be continued, but what, what other context should we lay out-

    12. KR

      I think it's-

    13. TF

      ... before us?

  4. 2:36 – 4:26

    Acknowledging the hardship: layoffs, illness, and the point of the show

    1. KR

      Well, I think that, you know, I, I know that when we, you know, you and I will... I put together a document before the, the show, a little shared Google Doc, and, you know, we have to figure out what we're gonna be talking about in the show. And one of the things that I, yeah, I know we both wanted to address was just to say, um, you know, on a, on a downbeat before we try and make this a little bit more of a upbeat show, is just to say our thoughts are with everyone out there. Um, it's a, an extremely difficult time. Um, and you know, we all have stories of, of chaos and craziness and the ups and downs and emotional rollercoaster that's going on right now in, in the world. And we know that there's people that are watching this that have been laid off. There's people that are watching this that are, n- that might even be sick or have friends or family that are sick. And, uh, you know, I, I know, I'll let you speak for yourself, Tim, but I know that, I mean, my thoughts are with all of you. Um, it's a, it's a really, really difficult time.

    2. TF

      Yeah. I, I wanna echo all of that. I have family members who've been laid off. I have seen that amongst a lot of my friends, friends I grew up with, and, uh, our hearts go out to everyone. And thanks for joining. And this is really, aside from the other things that we might be doing, just an, an attempt to offer a salve, even if just for an hour or two-

    3. KR

      Yeah

    4. TF

      ... uh, to have a feeling of being connected with other folks. Brian Koppelman, who I recent- is a friend of mine, co-creator of Billions, recently had on a podcast recording, it hasn't been published yet, but he does something called the Royale every morning, which is his first cup of coffee. Takes a picture, and he has other people post their pictures, and it's become this real vibrant community of people who look forward th- to this every day. So I figured at your recommendation,

  5. 4:26 – 7:24

    Stress effects and early warning: Tim’s anxiety, weight loss, and quarantine length

    1. TF

      Kevin, that this would be a fun experiment, just to allow everybody to hopefully take, you know, 60 minutes without looking at your Twitter feed or the bad news. There's gonna be plenty of bad news. It's still gonna be there later. You don't have to look at it now. And, uh, it's been heavy. It's been really heavy. I don't know about you, Kevin, but I was texting you before we started recording. I have lost... And it's not like I had that much weight to lose, to begin with.

    2. KR

      I hate you.

    3. TF

      But I've lo- well, I've lost 15, probably 15 pounds in the last four weeks. I've been in quarantine for five to six weeks, but it's, it's been from-

    4. KR

      I hate you

    5. TF

      ... it's been from [laughs] -

    6. KR

      I've been e- I've been, I've been eating pizza and chocolate, dude, like every night. I'm not kidding.

    7. TF

      Well, maybe-

    8. KR

      How are you losing weight?

    9. TF

      Well, maybe it's that, you know-

    10. KR

      [laughs]

    11. TF

      ... e- the energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it just changes form. So by me losing weight-

    12. KR

      [laughs]

    13. TF

      ... I'm just putting it on your muffin top.

    14. KR

      Mm.

    15. TF

      That, that could be. You're welcome.

    16. KR

      Yeah.

    17. TF

      You'll last longer. When we get to on the, like, the road or Mad Max, you'll live for a longer time. But the point being, like I've been, I've been, even when I'm not consciously aware of it, quite under duress, and have been having anxiety dreams and nightmares for the first time in God knows how long. I've never really had nightmares consistently. And have had, uh, I've had trouble remembering to eat. I mean, that sounds crazy, and I know some people might want to have that, but it's been a strange period. It's been a really strange period for me-

    18. KR

      S-

    19. TF

      ... and for a lot of people

    20. KR

      I gotta say, Tim, like you were the first person that was warning me, uh, about this stuff months ago. Like when it first-

    21. TF

      Yeah

    22. KR

      ... when it first kinda broke out and it, and it just like, you know, it was starting to gain a little traction in China, like you were like [laughs] prepping big time, dude.

    23. TF

      I was, yeah.

    24. KR

      And I remember I was giving you shit. I was like, "I don't know, man. Summer'll come around, it'll get hotter. This'll kinda like die down." And you were hardcore prepping. And, uh, you know, props to you for calling it early and, and what are you doing? Where are you? Are you in a bunker somewhere? Like, what, what's going on in Tim's life?

    25. TF

      [laughs] I'm not-

    26. KR

      You literally like, what is this screen-

    27. TF

      I am

    28. KR

      ... behind you? Like, what the hell's [laughs] going on?

    29. TF

      The, the, the decor is a bit intense. I, I'm using my Scorsese cinematography to make this look really dramatic. I'm in a guest bedroom because I wanted to be hard connected. The internet is being hammered by everyone being home, so I have a-

    30. KR

      Netflix, Tiger King.

  6. 7:24 – 10:24

    Family safety and parental risk: persuading loved ones to take it seriously

    1. TF

      And, uh, I'm in Austin, Texas. Uh, I am, I'm quite happy to be here right now. Uh, my parents are in New York. That worries me. Of course, they're older, they're not in the best of health. But there's only so much-

    2. KR

      Has-

    3. TF

      ... one can do.

    4. KR

      So, ig-

    5. TF

      Yeah

    6. KR

      ... I, I, um, I wanna poke a little bit into... And if I go too far, you'd let me know, but like, you know, your-

    7. TF

      Yeah

    8. KR

      ... your dad has been one to wanna venture out and go out-

    9. TF

      Yeah

    10. KR

      ... and stay and think this is not a big deal. You know, you and I have talked about this privately.

    11. TF

      Yeah.

    12. KR

      Have you convinced him otherwise? Like, have you convinced him to stay home and avoid?

    13. TF

      Yeah, he, he, he turned the corner. Uh, and I think this is, this has been a common experience for a lot of folks our age or even younger to understandably have parents who have been through many so-called crises, who have been resistant to completely stop all of what they're doing, which I think is a very understandable position. And then you add in the political polarity, and I don't... Uh, this is kind of the [laughs] -

    14. KR

      I mean-

    15. TF

      ... you probably wanna go to-

    16. KR

      Eh, dude, why not?

    17. TF

      Go to g- go to g- no, we'll go to greener pastures a- in a minute, but the, the point is that he, to his credit, when I was able to separate the politics from the science and talk about the science, he, he listened to it and he took it seriously. So I'm, I'm perhaps more fortunate than some in that both my parents are taking this very seriously.

    18. KR

      Yeah.

    19. TF

      Which is great.

    20. KR

      Yeah.

    21. TF

      And-

    22. KR

      I've got a, a-

    23. TF

      Yeah

    24. KR

      ... it's tough because, um, my mom's gonna be 80 this year, and she's, um, she's living still by herself, but assisted in that she has to have-

    25. TF

      Yeah

    26. KR

      ... someone come by and like, um, help her with, with meal preparation and, and things like that. Um, you know, she's, uh, she needs care. Like, she can't live on her own anymore just totally solo and independently, but she's doing well. Um, and it's tough because like, you know, I was talking to my sister today, and this new stat coming out saying that, you know, 20 to 25% of people are asymptomatic and they have no symptoms at all. And I'm like... My mom's like, "Hey, you know, like, when are you gonna see me?" And I, of course, I video with her and stuff like that, but um, you know, I'm like, "Okay, well mom, tomorrow if the weather is okay," meaning it's not raining in Portland, "I'll come over with a mask on and sit six feet away from you, and we can have a chat." And you know, and that will be the way that I interact with my mom. And it's, it's like it's, in a way it's heartbreaking because I have two young kids and they don't get to see Grandma, and they haven't for weeks now. And, uh, you know, so it's like it, it's stressful for everybody out there, man. It's like it doesn't matter who-

    27. TF

      Yeah

    28. KR

      ... you are, you know? It's like everybody's got something that's, that's weighing on them.

    29. TF

      Yeah.

    30. KR

      And then you're-

  7. 10:24 – 12:32

    Couples in a pressure cooker: routines, cracks, and “psychological Achilles heel”

    1. TF

      Yeah

    2. KR

      ... that's a, a bad thing, but it's, you know, it's unusual to have that much like straight up one-on-one [laughs] time, right? How's, how's that going?

    3. TF

      Yeah. It's going well.

    4. KR

      [laughs]

    5. TF

      I think it's, I think it's like, uh, for those people who haven't been to Burning Man, what they say about couples going to Burning Man is it's double or nothing, right? You're g- because you're gonna be with each other 24/7. You're gonna have all of these additional stresses, and I think we're seeing that now. And we've developed a routine. Part of the benefit, if you wanna call it that, of having been in quarantine for almost six weeks now, and I, I have some preexisting lung issues so I, I've been extra careful, but is that we've, we've adopted certain routines and had these emergent habits and rituals that have become really nice actually, some of them. But certainly there's more pressure in the container, so f- whatever cracks you may have, and everybody has their cracks, [laughs] are gonna be a lot more obvious. [laughs]

    6. KR

      Yeah.

    7. TF

      And, uh, y- you know, I was talking to a friend of mine who was saying it's, it's like a magnifying glass that shows you your psychological Achilles heel. So I, I'm trying to view that as an opportunity, right? As a real opportunity where if you're at home, if you're in quarantine, putting aside financial considerations, which I know are very real for a lot of people, but, uh, many people who are watching this are gonna be safe at home. So you're basically in a- sort of a, a padded room, like a Chuck E. Cheese ball pit where you get to see these things that are weaknesses/unresolved issues/opportunities that you can start to work on, and then will translate to other areas later-

    8. KR

      Yeah

    9. TF

      ... in your life. And one of the, one of the bullets that we had to discuss, which we could certainly talk about, I'll keep drinking-

    10. KR

      Yeah

  8. 12:32 – 18:23

    Book recommendations for quarantine: psychology, remote work, and investing basics

    1. TF

      ... which will, which will give me some liquid personality and higher confidence, which is dangerous. But one of the bullets that you'd shot over, any good books worth reading now? So I'd be cur- I'd be curious to start there, 'cause I have some thoughts. Actually, I'll, I'll just throw one out there-

    2. KR

      Yeah

    3. TF

      ... which, which is called Already Free, and it's by, I believe, Bruce Tift, T-I-F-T. And I, I highlight s- I've, I've highlighted so much of this book, it's hard to believe. It's, uh, closely related to, and I might have mentioned this book to you already, Kevin, I, I think The Surrender Experiment or the Michael Singer courses that you've spoken t- about before.

    4. KR

      I love Michael Singer's stuff, yeah.

    5. TF

      Yeah. It's, uh... But th- this book, Already Free, has been, uh, quite impactful for me, and puts, puts a lot in perspective. So that's one book that I've been thinking more about also, uh, w- as y- I sit at home and cannot escape myself. [laughs] You know, it's like-

    6. KR

      Yeah

    7. TF

      ... there are only so many things you can do to distract and busy yourself within the square footage of your house. Uh, but what other, what other books, it doesn't have to be related to the psychological stuff, what other books do you think are perhaps helpful to read?

    8. KR

      Yeah.

    9. TF

      Or what, and what are you... and, and what are you reading?

    10. KR

      Well, I think there's, there's two that come to mind. Um, one is, is definitely that a lot of people have had, that are fortunate enough, not everyone is, is in this position, but that are fortunate enough to transition to online work, um, are, you know, having to deal with a whole new set of tools and a whole new way of working. So, uh, Jason Fried, who I've had on my podcast. Have you had him on your podcast? Have you had Fried on yet?

    11. TF

      I have, yeah.

    12. KR

      Yeah.

    13. TF

      About a year and a half, two years ago. Very smart guy.

    14. KR

      I mean, just brilliant. He, he was way ahead of his time in writing the book, um, Remote, and he has a couple other books about remote and distributed culture that are fantastic. Um, definitely check out the book Remote from him. If you have a small business and you're looking to transition to more remote, or you yourself are going through this, it's a great one to recommend to your boss or to read yourself. Um, that one is, is definitely at the top of my list for people. I- uh, we have 300, you know, entrepreneurs at, um, or founders at, uh, True Ventures, and so that's definitely one that I'm recommending to a lot of them. Um, Bogleheads' uh, Guide to Investing I think is another great one. And I know it's, it's, um, it's tough to talk about investing in, in times like this, but if you look back historically, um, you know, the best time to place bets, and that can be literally, you know, tens of dollars, because there's such beautiful things now that exist, such as fractional share ownership, like, um, apps like Square Cash and Robinhood and others allow you to buy just a fraction of a share, um, i- if, if you can't affor- afford, say, a, you know, a, the $300 share of, you know, pick any major big company out there. Um, so Bogle, John Bogle, who's since passed away, is the founder of Vanguard, and he was a big fan of index investing. Um, and so is actually Warren Buffett. And so index investing is, is not picking individual stocks, but buying, um, a, a, a market, like say like the S&P 500 or, or, uh, you know, an index of the bond market. And it, it really has been proven as to be is one of the best, most reliable ways to invest and outperforms, you know, hedge funds long-term. It's, uh, like, i- and Jo- John Bogle the, the, you know, the person that, uh, or the, the creator of Vanguard was really the pioneer in coming up with this concept and creating the, uh, mutual fund, in- index fund mutual funds back, way back in the day. Anyway, that guide, Bogleheads, his name, his last name is Bogle, and his fans are called Bogleheads. So it's a B-O-G-L-E Heads Guide to Investing. I think it's a fantastic book, and will introduce you to the concept of index investing, which, um, is, is really tried and true and, and, and the best way to go. Um, and, you know, it's, uh, it's definitely something that, uh, was, was something I read probably a decade ago and then continue to reread every few years.

    15. TF

      Yeah. Joel, Joel Greenblatt's books are also quite good. I think it's like The Little Blue Book of Investing.

    16. KR

      Yeah.

    17. TF

      The Little Green Book, Joel Greenblatt. And I, I think he once said to me, I don't think I'm talking out of school by saying this, but that you should effectively read his books in the opposite order they were published. So read from the most recent to the oldest. The oldest talks a lot about event-based investing, which is very, very interesting. Exactly. Somebody, I. Siegel, How to Be a Stock Market Genius. Terrible title on some level, kinda like The 4-Hour Workweek. Excellent, excellent, excellent book. Uh, and I second Bogle as a recommendation. Uh, you know what I've been paying a lot of attention to, Kevin? Because it's like in bear markets, bull markets, domestic, international, what has outperformed almost every other asset class. Can you guess?

    18. KR

      Don't, don't say real estate. I hope you're saying-

    19. TF

      Porn ET- porn ETFs.

    20. KR

      Yeah, that's, that's all you.

    21. TF

      [laughs]

    22. KR

      You're, you're big into that and the marijuana stocks. [laughs]

    23. TF

      Yeah, I'm 50/50 porn and-

    24. KR

      Yeah

    25. TF

      ... porn, porn and marijuana.

    26. KR

      That's Tim- Tim's portfolio right there You should post that online

    27. TF

      My, uh, rule number one of investing, never underestimate human vice. Uh, that's not true. That's a lie. So-

    28. KR

      What-

    29. TF

      Here I am

    30. KR

      ... were you gonna say? What was it?

  9. 18:23 – 24:01

    Everyone is an investor: allocating time, paper trading, and learning during downtime

    1. TF

      Setup for a joke. I, I will, I will say, though, on the investing front, that no matter what, everyone who is listening to this or watching this right now, I think should think of themselves as investors, because you have resources. You have, say, time, you have energy, you have hours, you have capital, and you choose how to allocate those resources. If you have to choose, and you do, and not choosing is also a decision, you are an investor, right? And you're looking for a, a, a result or a return on investment from allocating those different resources.

    2. KR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. TF

      So you, you, you can, you can really think like an investor even if you don't have much disposable income at the moment, or no income. You can still think of yourself as an investor and hone the thinking, the types of thinking, and the process of good investors. And that's where these books, I think, are very interesting. I read a, a lot of these books, the, uh, books by Bogle, books by Joel Greenblatt. I read his books when I had absolutely-

    4. KR

      Same

    5. TF

      ... fuck all.

    6. KR

      Yeah

    7. TF

      I had nothing. Nothing. And it's been like a slow simmer with that in the background for a long time, and now very fortunately, you and I are in positions where we can utilize it, but we prepared, in a sense, beforehand, right? I mean, I was, I was reading books on investing when I, I, I had not a s- penny to my name. And, uh, this is, uh, I think a, a good time to, even if you don't have money to invest, to read about investing and to paper trade, right? And there are probably apps that allow you to do this very easily, but to effectively say, "All right, let's pretend that I have $1,000 right now, or $10,000. Where would I put that money?" And you make a record of where you've committed hypothetically to put that money, and then you will-

    8. KR

      Bitcoin

    9. TF

      ... look at the performance over time, and you can look at why you were, or if you were right, if you were wrong, to what degree you were right or wrong, and why you think you were right or wrong. Uh, Bitcoin. You're more of a crypto expert than I am. I'm not, uh, I, I, I know very little of crypto. But, uh, I, I do think it's, it's important to emphasize that the way you end up being a good investor, from my perspective, is by s- thinking a lot about the types of decision-making that makes a good investor before you actually start allocating money to things.

    10. KR

      Yeah.

    11. TF

      Does that make sense?

    12. KR

      Yeah. And I, I really like what you said around inve- like thinking about how to invest your, your own time during times like this as well. I have two examples of that. One, I know someone that is working part-time, still has a little bit of income, but doesn't have the other portion of their income, and is now going to, um, take online classes for, um, as far as they can go to become a nurse. And he is, um, said, "This is the perfect time to do that." And, um, I know someone else that's laid off and that was like, "Hey, where's the best coding school that I can learn how to code?" And it was like, now is the time. Like, I'm gonna be collecting unemployment for the next few months. There's not gonna be any crazy, great job opportunities, but I wanna learn how to code, and I can, I know that that can be done in six months' time, right? So, you know, it's like that's, uh, now's a great time to invest in, in yourself in some sense.

    13. TF

      Do, do you wanna talk about, I know you put this in your newsletter recently, maybe today, Treehouse, other options? Where should people go?

    14. KR

      Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a ton of options out there. I, I hesitate-

    15. TF

      Lambda, L- Lambda School

    16. KR

      There's-

    17. TF

      I'm reading comments. People are like, Tim Ferriss is multitasking.

    18. KR

      Yeah, yeah.

    19. TF

      I'm reading your goddamn comments. [laughs]

    20. KR

      No, it's, it's great, actually. If people, um, wanna post them in the comments. Yeah, Free Code Camp. There's a ton. Uh, I, I hesitate to recommend Treehouse because I'm an investor there. It, it is a high quality product, but there's a lot of free ones out there.

    21. TF

      Kevin, talking his book. He's talking his book. Don't listen to that guy.

    22. KR

      You know what I mean? It's like we, uh, we get in trouble anytime we say anything like that. So but the, uh, the Code, Code Academy is another great one. There's a lot of them. Uh, here's what I would say. This is the real talk.

    23. TF

      Yeah.

    24. KR

      Go out there, sign up for three of them, and-

    25. TF

      Yeah

    26. KR

      ... figure out which ones you like. Like take a couple classes on each one and be like, "Hmm, this instructor is talking to me more, or speaking to me more than another one. I'm gonna go with this one." And maybe it's a paid one or maybe it's a free one, who knows. But, but try a few.

    27. TF

      Yeah. YouTube is also honestly just incredible. I, I've, uh, I know a number of people who've gotten really up to speed on everything from virology to options trading on YouTube.

    28. KR

      Yeah.

    29. TF

      And these are, these are really smart people, and they've found some of the best options for free on YouTube. And it's, it's great.

    30. KR

      Turns out YouTube is a popular thing. [laughs]

  10. 24:01 – 30:50

    COVID boundaries: avoiding medical advice, testing failures, and a phased reopening framework

    1. KR

      I'm not reading. I'm not reading. I'm, what I'm doing right now is, uh, listening to podcasts about the coronavirus. Like, I think that Peter Attia has converted his podcast, The Drive, into a fantastic resource for the latest research on coronavirus, what we should be doing, what happens if you come down with it, what, what-

    2. TF

      Yeah

    3. KR

      ... you know. I mean, we all have our little... Actually this, uh, I don't know if you're comfortable sharing like your medical... Like, what would you do if you, did we talk about that or no? If people wanna hear that, like I-

    4. TF

      What, what would I do if what?

    5. KR

      If, if you came down with it, like what would you-

    6. TF

      Yeah.

    7. KR

      It's hard-

    8. TF

      As I've gotta say-

    9. KR

      'Cause it's medical advice, right?

    10. TF

      Da- dangerous, dangerous territory. Yeah.

    11. KR

      Yeah, yeah.

    12. TF

      I, I think, I think just by [laughs] I think if we were to give both, and we're not giving investment advice, we are not registered investment advisors, but I think if we wanted to make this the perfect Venn diagram of, of unnecessary liability, then we could talk about medical, but-

    13. KR

      [laughs] Yeah

    14. TF

      ... I think it'd be, I think it'd be irresponsible. I will say this, that I am optimistic, I'm bullish about therapeutics for coronavirus. In other words, treatments that will not necessarily cure, uh, so to speak, but mitigate the severity of COVID-19. I, I'm less optimistic about vaccine-

    15. KR

      Yeah

    16. TF

      ... development. And-

    17. KR

      Well, at least in the short term, obviously. Right. There's, there's nothing that can happen-

    18. TF

      Well, short, short term meaning 12 to 18 months.

    19. KR

      18 months. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

    20. TF

      12 months would be a miracle.

    21. KR

      Yeah, it'd be a world record.

    22. TF

      Yeah. And, uh, it could be. I mean, it ... Who knows, right? I mean, the US, the US, if we're talking about the US, and this is really a global issue, but the US is going to be the largest hotspot in the world. And-

    23. KR

      Oh, dude, it already is.

    24. TF

      Yeah. No, I, I'm just saying, like it's going to be ... We were looking at maps before we started recording-

    25. KR

      Yeah

    26. TF

      ... and you were like, "This is gonna look like the Verizon-"

    27. KR

      It does

    28. TF

      ... availability map.

    29. KR

      It looks like the Verizon availability chart, like or the US map-

    30. TF

      Yeah

  11. 30:50 – 38:54

    Enforcement, noncompliance, and prepping: penalties, food stockpiles, and ethics

    1. TF

      Yeah. Yeah, I- I've, I've been on text and the phone quite a bit today with two different groups who are developing digital contact tracing technologies. Uh [sighs] , and there all, there are already a number of apps that have been developed, for instance in Singapore, that work very well. And Singapore is kinda like New Zealand in the sense that it's pretty small, [laughs] it's self-contained-

    2. KR

      Yeah

    3. TF

      ... and it, it makes for a good laboratory. So, uh, I am optimistic that if there are phased steps put in place with enforcement, that is in all caps, with enforcement-

    4. KR

      Mm-hmm

    5. TF

      ... and penalties for those who do not comply-

    6. KR

      Did you see them beating people with sticks in India to stay inside?

    7. TF

      I did. Yeah, yeah.

    8. KR

      That was crazy.

    9. TF

      Yeah, the-

    10. KR

      We could never do that in the United States. Like there were literally-

    11. TF

      Yeah

    12. KR

      ... like dudes on scooters like hitting people with rods to stay inside. Like [laughs]

    13. TF

      Yeah. Yeah. As much as I would like to do that, there are criminal penalties.

    14. KR

      [laughs]

    15. TF

      A- and, uh, Nepal, similar story. Y- y-

    16. KR

      There's something to be said about that though, man. Like the, they get-

    17. TF

      Yeah

    18. KR

      ... people to stay in, you know? Like th-

    19. TF

      Yeah

    20. KR

      ... and it wasn't like they were like beating them more like they're breaking bones. Like it's like just like a, like a bad spanking. Like it's, it's weird, but-

    21. TF

      Oh, br- uh, I mean a really bad spanking.

    22. KR

      Yeah. [laughs]

    23. TF

      These are like bo staffs. But, uh, the, the, uh, you know, the X factor for me is a noncompliant population in the United States, and a, a, a-

    24. KR

      Right

    25. TF

      ... by design and by-

    26. KR

      Defiant almost

    27. TF

      ... like cultural evolution, a defiant, disobedient population. And [sighs] uh, we shall see how a politically divided country is able to implement or not implement strict, uh... Basically, I mean the less strict we are in the next month or two, the longer this is gonna last.

    28. KR

      Sure.

    29. TF

      Right? And you have a lot of perverse incentives involved with, say, folks who are hoping for re-election. And if it's a short-term re-election, they're willing to make compromises for public health in order to at least appear as though they're attempting to reinvigorate the economy to serve their political interests, which is disgusting, but totally understandable. And really I think a lot of it has to come, and I don't know if it can legally, at least at this point, from the federal level. There have to be really, really strict, uh, penalties for violation of, uh, breaking, say, home quarantine or isolation rules.

    30. KR

      It's gonna be so tough, man.

  12. 38:54 – 41:26

    Fitness, Peloton, and light tech talk: home workouts, apps, and privacy mishaps

    1. TF

      Couple questions. Mulligan26, coping advice with single-room quarantine for two weeks.

    2. KR

      Single room?

    3. TF

      Uh-

    4. KR

      Oh my God

    5. TF

      ... yeah. I would say exercise, number one.

    6. KR

      Wine

    7. TF

      And-

    8. KR

      For sure, wine.

    9. TF

      [laughs]

    10. KR

      It's on, it's on the list.

    11. TF

      And that, [laughs] and that then leads to Grambury. Tim, what's your favorite body weight workout routine? Uh, gymnastic body or gymnastic bodies, that's, uh, Coach Sommer, Christopher Sommer, S-O-M-M-E-R. His program is just fantastic. I highly recommend.

    12. KR

      Yeah. Let's talk about workin- working out for a sec 'cause I think that's a good one. A lot of people are turning towards that. Um, I will say two things. One, I'm not an investor in this company, so I can say this freely. Uh, Fitbod I've been using lately. Uh, if you have free weights at home or you're just doing body weight workouts, they have a great app. I th- I know it's on iOS. I don't know if it's in Android. I think it is. It's called Fit- B-O-D. Um, I've been using that for my free weights that I have at, here at the house. Uh, Peloton is my main form of cardiovascular exercise, and they also have other classes, and they're actually giving away 90 days of their app as well, which is a whole slew of-

    13. TF

      Disclosure. Disclosure. [laughs]

    14. KR

      What? I own-

    15. TF

      Dude

    16. KR

      ... I o- I own Peloton stock, and so do you.

    17. TF

      [laughs]

    18. KR

      Do you?

    19. TF

      No, I don't. I, but I'm looking at it very closely, but I do not yet own any Peloton.

    20. KR

      They have, they have actually sponsored your podcast, which you didn't mention-

    21. TF

      Mm

    22. KR

      ... which I'm a little offended by.

    23. TF

      [laughs] That's true. Peloton has sponsored my podcast. I have one upstairs.

    24. KR

      [laughs]

    25. TF

      I do love, love me my Peloton.

    26. KR

      I, I got you into that.

    27. TF

      Yeah, you did. You did. You totally did. You and, uh, Marc Benioff got me into Peloton.

    28. KR

      I love how, um, the Peloton story about... I, I, I... So Tim was like, "I'm not gonna tell you my Peloton account," 'cause I wanted to race you, right? 'Cause you can do these races and things.

    29. TF

      Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    30. KR

      And you're like, you're like, "I'm not giving you my username," blah, blah, blah. And I emailed your assistant, and I was like, "Hey, what's, uh... I just wanna check on Tim's username for his Peloton account 'cause I wanna like friend him up or whatever." And she sent me your login [laughs] information with your password. Do you remember that? It was amazing. [laughs]

  13. 41:26 – 56:31

    Fiction as medicine and managing anxiety: reading habits, sensitivity, and fears

    1. TF

      ... questions. Three fiction books you would gift to each other. That's a good question.

    2. KR

      Oh, it's is.

    3. TF

      Martin Sange. Uh, three fiction books. Well, I know Kevin can't spell, so I assume his reading level is probably sixth or seventh grade. So based on that-

    4. KR

      First of all-

    5. TF

      I would-

    6. KR

      ... I have-

    7. TF

      [laughs]

    8. KR

      ... a learning disability, so if you wanna make-

    9. TF

      Oh, stop

    10. KR

      ... I do. I do

    11. TF

      ... don't even pull.

    12. KR

      I do.

    13. TF

      What is your learning disability?

    14. KR

      I-

    15. TF

      Lazy spelling?

    16. KR

      No, I'm just not a good speller. I've had issues.

    17. TF

      [laughs]

    18. KR

      Sometimes I get the, the, the letters swapped, and I love Grammarly. Grammarly's a great product. It helps me out there, but I'm just saying if you wanna make fun of people with learning disabilities, I, I get it. Like-

    19. TF

      [laughs]

    20. KR

      But that's... No, I'm, real talk though-

    21. TF

      [laughs]

    22. KR

      ... I always have had a little bit of an issue with that. It's, it's nothing I can memorize. Like it's, it's a, it's a brain thing. Something's, something's up there.

    23. TF

      I think you just type with your knuckles on your iPhone, but we can take this-

    24. KR

      So Exhalation-

    25. TF

      ... offline

    26. KR

      ... by the way, Exhalation-

    27. TF

      100% agree

    28. KR

      ... yes.

    29. TF

      Yes.

    30. KR

      Fantastic series-

  14. 56:31 – 1:09:46

    Entertainment and routines: Tiger King, Ozark chatter, and “no COVID talk after dinner”

    1. KR

      Yeah. What are we watching lately? Like, what are people, uh, watching these days?

    2. TF

      Uh-

    3. KR

      In terms of, like, favorite... I, Tiger King is, like, my favorite thing right now. I'm on episode three.

    4. TF

      Yep. Yeah, so we'll, we'll get into that real quick. A. Bucci says, "The fear of death or ego conscious may be underlying the anxiety." That's not accurate. I don't s- actually fear death, which may be from, uh, taking too many psychedelic compounds, but that's not it. It's something else. Uh, so TBD. But, uh, let's see here.

    5. KR

      People are saying Ozark, by the way. Is that how you say it, Ozark? Like, I, I have heard multiple people. It's on episode th- or, uh, season three now. I- if that's right, people will correct me in the chat. Is it awesome? People are saying Ozark is awesome. Ozark is incredible.

    6. TF

      I haven't seen Ozark. Tiger King was good. I found the animal treatment depressing, so I stopped after two episodes. I may, I may continue, but that hasn't been my go-to.

    7. KR

      What, what have been your-

    8. TF

      What have been your- But, but-

    9. KR

      You told me your go-to

    10. TF

      ... but tell me about... Yeah, but, but, but maybe I haven't passed, like, the point of no return with Tiger King. It is, it is so strange as to be compelling.

    11. KR

      Yeah.

    12. TF

      I get that.

    13. KR

      Yeah.

    14. TF

      Uh, but-

    15. KR

      Darya won't watch it with me. I'm watching it solo. I sit in bed with my iPad and I watch it.

    16. TF

      She will n- she will not watch it with you? Why not?

    17. KR

      No, she will not. Uh, she missed the first episode, and then she's like, "I don't wanna watch something dumb," and I'm like, "Eh, it's dumb, but it's kinda good," you know? [laughs]

    18. TF

      Yeah. [laughs]

    19. KR

      It's like... [laughs] You know, Darya.

    20. TF

      The, the, the three-person marriage with that one young guy looking like he was fucking drunk out of his-

    21. KR

      That was the best

    22. TF

      ... mind was amazing.

    23. KR

      It was so good.

    24. TF

      Yeah.

    25. KR

      And then she definitely fed her husband to the tigers.

    26. TF

      It's, I mean, that seems to be at least the way that the-

    27. KR

      It's going, yeah

    28. TF

      ... producers want it to show, yeah. I mean, that's, that's pretty crazy. Oh, man.

    29. KR

      People are saying Formula 1. What is Formula 1?

    30. TF

      Formula 1 is-

  15. 1:09:46 – 1:25:02

    Sleep and supplements, then closing remarks: masks, responsibility, and community support

    1. KR

      Mm.

    2. TF

      This is from Nmedler. What recommendations might you have?

    3. KR

      Yeah, so sleep is definitely something I've spent a lot of time, um, playing around with. Yeah, the, I think Max has a great point here, Max Goldberg. Uh, Matt Walker's book, Why We Sleep-

    4. TF

      Yep

    5. KR

      ... is a phenomenal resource for this stuff. Um, that said, I've done low-dose melatonin, um, and also the, um, magnesium is, is, uh, the one that you recommended, Tim, at the beginning of the show.

    6. TF

      Magtein.

    7. KR

      Yeah. That's, uh-

    8. TF

      T-E-I-N. Magnesium threonate

    9. KR

      ... Darya, Darya, my wife, she takes that every night. She takes the one that's-

    10. TF

      Yeah

    11. KR

      ... from a brand called LiveOn, which is a, is a liposomal form. And, uh-

    12. TF

      Yeah

    13. KR

      ... and she swears by it. Like, she lo- she loves that.

    14. TF

      All, all the roid monsters love LiveOn.

    15. KR

      Do they really? Why?

    16. TF

      Oh, yeah. For liver recovery after taking their alpha-alkylated oral anabolics. That's a-

    17. KR

      So what do they take for liver recover? What, what...

    18. TF

      Uh, I can't remember the actual name of the product.

    19. KR

      'Cause they do a vitamin... They do a vitamin C.

    20. TF

      Yeah, they-

    21. KR

      They do a magnesium.

    22. TF

      Yeah, mm, they, they have a liver product that was what-

    23. KR

      Oh, really?

    24. TF

      ... kinda put them on the map. Yep. Absolutely. Uh, I also use their liposomal vitamin C.

    25. KR

      I do too. That's my favorite vitamin C.

    26. TF

      Tastes like horse semen, but you know.

    27. KR

      I've never had horse semen.

    28. TF

      Mm.

    29. KR

      But I would imagine that, uh, it, it probably-

    30. TF

      It's similar

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