The Random Show with Tim Ferriss & Kevin Rose | Episode 27 | Tim Ferriss

1. 0:00 – 0:33

   Intro

   1. KRKevin Rose0:00

      [upbeat music] Hello, everyone. Welcome to the number one rated video podcast, The Random Show. And when I mean number one, I mean rated by the people in this room, which is, uh, the three of us.

   2. TFTim Ferriss0:16

      Unanimously. Unani-

   3. KRKevin Rose0:18

      We- we can say number one

   4. TFTim Ferriss0:19

      ... well, Graham took some convincing.

   5. KRKevin Rose0:20

      Yeah. [laughs]

   6. TFTim Ferriss0:20

      But, uh-

   7. KRKevin Rose0:21

      I'm entirely convinced

   8. TFTim Ferriss0:22

      ... episode number 396.

   9. KRKevin Rose0:24

      That's right.

   10. TFTim Ferriss0:25

       You are?

   11. KRKevin Rose0:26

       Kevin Rose.

   12. TFTim Ferriss0:27

       I am Tim Ferriss.

   13. KRKevin Rose0:29

       [laughs] Why am I your talk guy?

   14. TFTim Ferriss0:31

       [laughs]

2. 0:33 – 1:05

   What is The Random Show?

   1. TFTim Ferriss0:34

      So if you haven't seen the show before, uh, we are a couple fools. We talk about random stuff that we run into throughout our lives, uh, during the week or sometimes weeks between these episodes.

   2. KRKevin Rose0:45

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TFTim Ferriss0:45

      Sometimes months between these episodes.

   4. KRKevin Rose0:48

      Yeah.

   5. TFTim Ferriss0:48

      Uh, so it's all over the place. We hope you enjoy that. I'm acting like we're just starting the show for the first time. [laughs]

   6. KRKevin Rose0:53

      I know. This is a very, this is a very herky-jerky... I feel like we need-

   7. TFTim Ferriss0:57

      That's what you get for not drinking.

   8. KRKevin Rose0:58

      I know. I'm just like-

   9. TFTim Ferriss1:00

      We have, we'll come back to that

   10. KRKevin Rose1:00

       ... too sober.

   11. TFTim Ferriss1:01

       Kevin's too sober to be relaxed for our

3. 1:05 – 3:16

   What tea we're drinking

   1. TFTim Ferriss1:05

      outing.

   2. KRKevin Rose1:05

      Thank you for the tea.

   3. TFTim Ferriss1:06

      Yeah, absolutely.

   4. KRKevin Rose1:07

      What are we having?

   5. TFTim Ferriss1:08

      Uh, well, this, this that we have here is a ginger and turmeric tea, and it is from a company called Reishi, I think, on my-

   6. KRKevin Rose1:16

      Oh, Reishi. They're in Oakland.

   7. TFTim Ferriss1:18

      Is, are they really?

   8. KRKevin Rose1:18

      Yeah.

   9. TFTim Ferriss1:18

      Oh.

   10. KRKevin Rose1:18

       I went over to their, uh, headquarters actually.

   11. TFTim Ferriss1:20

       Oh, cool. Yeah.

   12. KRKevin Rose1:21

       Yeah.

   13. TFTim Ferriss1:21

       Because the other one is actually also from Oakland. Who knew Oakland was such a, such a hotbed? This stuff right here is a, uh, Stress Less tea. So we have the, the ginger and turmeric, and then this is rose petals, lemon balm, skullcap, and peppermint. Um, I think we've, I think we've synchronized our cycles.

   14. KRKevin Rose1:39

       Yeah, kinda.

   15. TFTim Ferriss1:39

       Coming back on cramps. This is good stuff.

   16. KRKevin Rose1:41

       I do like the, uh, I do like the Reishi tea as far as, like, if you're looking for just a, you know, I don't know, $6 tea, and it's good quality. Like, the founder, I met him.

   17. TFTim Ferriss1:51

       Yeah.

   18. KRKevin Rose1:51

       He actually really cares about his product. He goes and sources the tea. Um, it's not gonna be like the artisanal, like handpicked, like-

   19. TFTim Ferriss1:59

       Artist anal. [laughs]

   20. KRKevin Rose2:01

       You know what I'm talking about. Artisanal, like handpicked, like high-end teas that you get at some places. But, uh, it's, it's really good. And you can get it at-

   21. TFTim Ferriss2:08

       I love-

   22. KRKevin Rose2:08

       ... Whole Foods. You can get it-

   23. TFTim Ferriss2:09

       I buy the, the ginger and turmeric by the box. I love it.

   24. KRKevin Rose2:12

       Yeah.

   25. TFTim Ferriss2:12

       And it's, it's, it's a really good, uh, touch to add to almost any other type of tea. So I'll combine it oftentimes in the morning with pu-erh tea, and, uh, it overcomes a little of that sort of wet horse ass barnyard smell of the pu-erh.

   26. KRKevin Rose2:25

       Yeah. Pu-erh can be a little-

   27. TFTim Ferriss2:27

       A little tangy.

   28. KRKevin Rose2:27

       Yeah.

   29. TFTim Ferriss2:28

       Uh, so I wanna thank, uh, Em and Rob. Em and Rob gave this to me as a gift. Em and Rob of Forage, that is their company. This is a Heath Ceramics mug, and it has a very unusual construction to it. I think this was the first mug they became well known for, and it's because the owner wanted to be able to smoke and drink coffee at the same time.

   30. KRKevin Rose2:54

       Pretty badass.
4. 3:16 – 7:39

   Kevin's startup

   1. TFTim Ferriss3:16

      what's happening, Kevin?

   2. KRKevin Rose3:17

      Uh, lots, lots, actually, since the last time we did one of these shows. Obviously, it's been, uh... We haven't done one since New Year's, have we?

   3. KRKevin Rose3:25

      I think the last one was in November.

   4. KRKevin Rose3:27

      Yeah.

   5. KRKevin Rose3:27

      Yeah.

   6. KRKevin Rose3:27

      It's been a while.

   7. TFTim Ferriss3:28

      In November?

   8. KRKevin Rose3:28

      Yeah.

   9. KRKevin Rose3:29

      Gosh, it's been a long time.

   10. TFTim Ferriss3:30

       Months and months.

   11. KRKevin Rose3:31

       So I left Google Ventures.

   12. TFTim Ferriss3:33

       Mm-hmm.

   13. KRKevin Rose3:33

       I was there... You know about this. I told you.

   14. TFTim Ferriss3:35

       I do.

   15. KRKevin Rose3:35

       Uh, I was there for almost three years actually, which is kinda crazy, um, and started a new company. Well, I, I started a new company. I was still at Google Ventures. And basically, the thing that I have a hard time with, and, and you know how this is-

   16. TFTim Ferriss3:48

       Mm-hmm

   17. KRKevin Rose3:48

       ... being like a multitasker that you are. Uh, y- as, as an entrepreneur and, and also an investor, and sometimes an ent- entrepreneur on multiple projects at the same time, it's like all of a sudden, you know, you wake up in the morning, you go have a coffee or two or three with founders trying to vet deals for Google Ventures. You go off and you work on your startup in the afternoon, and then, like, there's no time for anything else.

   18. TFTim Ferriss4:13

       Yeah.

   19. KRKevin Rose4:13

       I mean, you, you go home, you have dinner, then you get back on your computer, and it's just like I'm, the, I was just dying. It was, like, way too much stress. And honestly, I need the focus. I'm a little ADD.

   20. TFTim Ferriss4:24

       Yeah.

   21. KRKevin Rose4:24

       So, like, for me, focus is, is really key. And, uh, I just felt that at Google Ventures, I love the team over there. They're, they're great folks. Graham still works there. Um, they're, they're awesome, but, uh, for me, I, I just, like, if I'm gonna do something, I have to be all in. I feel really bad when I'm sitting there and I have to tell my team, like, "Hey, I'm gonna be gone the first half of today because I have-

   22. TFTim Ferriss4:46

       Right

   23. KRKevin Rose4:46

       ... a, a board meeting to go to-

   24. TFTim Ferriss4:48

       Right

   25. KRKevin Rose4:48

       ... or something else. So, um, I'm still helping my por- portfolio companies. I still have, you know, obviously a, a vested interest in their success through the various funds that I'm involved in. But, um, so I stepped down. I'm just gonna be an advisor to the fund now. So-

   26. TFTim Ferriss5:00

       Yeah

   27. KRKevin Rose5:00

       ... you know, I'll bring them deals.

   28. TFTim Ferriss5:01

       So you're full time on the startup.

   29. KRKevin Rose5:02

       Yeah, full time on the startup. I raised 5 million bucks for it, so, um, basically, that gives us enough runway with-

   30. TFTim Ferriss5:09

       Phone calling grandmas? Just-
5. 7:39 – 11:32

   Mywriting (new book on the horizon?)

   1. TFTim Ferriss7:39

      working on your own projects that you can take from start to finish with the help of a small team, and helping portfolio companies. And, uh, I enjoy both, but I, I think it's very easy to get seduced into only helping other people build. But there's something so gratifying and invigorating about working on your own-

   2. KRKevin Rose7:59

      Oh, for sure

   3. TFTim Ferriss8:00

      ... craft.

   4. KRKevin Rose8:00

      Yeah.

   5. TFTim Ferriss8:01

      And for me, that's content, so the podcast, the audio podcast, has been so much fun for me, and it's given me a chance to develop a whole new set of skills around writing. Basically to take the one piece of it, which is researching, where I do all these interviews, and get better at that. So I've been, you know, studying, uh, all sorts of masters of that craft. Ended up hiring a gent who does a lot of the research and prep for Inside the Actor's Studio-

   6. KRKevin Rose8:27

      Hmm

   7. TFTim Ferriss8:27

      ... to look at transcripts of some of my podcasts and help me to think about how to order things differently and so on.

   8. KRKevin Rose8:33

      Hmm.

   9. TFTim Ferriss8:33

      And that exploration has been so fun for me, and is part of the reason that I'm, I'm, I'm really focusing on the writing again for the first time in many years, because I just blew a gasket. I mean, it's maybe not entirely analogous to, to Dig, but The 4-Hour Chef was such a traumatic [laughs] monster of an experience, where it was, like, a three-year project compressed into a year and a half, and then lost half of the team basically working on it. So, uh, I feel like after the last number of years of sort of cutting my teeth doing experiments with startups, I have the bandwidth and the enthusiasm to come back to the mothership a little bit and focus on that.

   10. KRKevin Rose9:12

       So the mothership is your, is your writing.

   11. TFTim Ferriss9:14

       Yeah.

   12. KRKevin Rose9:14

       What are you writing now?

   13. TFTim Ferriss9:16

       I am, uh-

   14. KRKevin Rose9:17

       Are you talking about just blog posts, or are you actually working-

   15. TFTim Ferriss9:19

       Blog posts

   16. KRKevin Rose9:19

       ... on another book?

   17. TFTim Ferriss9:20

       I'm, I'm, I've been taking notes for another book potentially, because I, I'm always like, "Ah, no more books. No more books." Then I'm like, "Oh, my God, but that'd be such a great chapter."

   18. KRKevin Rose9:28

       Is it gonna be, is it gonna be another 4-Hour book?

   19. TFTim Ferriss9:30

       No. If I do another book... Well, there's one actually that I am gathering materil- materials for, which will be 4-Hour Workweek related, because The 4-Hour Workweek's coming up on its 10th anniversary in a few years, which is insane. And there are so many incredible stories of people who have went from literally an idea to IPO with their companies, or, uh, people who have used the principles in The 4-Hour Workweek in ways you would never guess. So actors who have used it to end up starring in Super Bowl commercials and all sorts of-

   20. KRKevin Rose9:58

       Hmm

   21. TFTim Ferriss9:58

       ... crazy stuff. And then, uh, tons, I mean, dozens of amazing stories of families who've traveled the world. So I want to create a, an encyclopedia of success stories and case studies showing the breadth and the variety of ways that you can implement this sort of toolbox that is The 4-Hour Workweek. Um, so if you guys have any success stories to share, you can go to 4hourworkweek.com/success. Actually, that's where you can tell me about it, and I would love to hear it, because this is, that's gonna be a very meaty book. But in terms of new concepts, like completely new directions, there are a few books that I'm taking notes for.

   22. KRKevin Rose10:34

       Hmm.

   23. TFTim Ferriss10:34

       But primarily-

   24. KRKevin Rose10:35

       Can you hint at all?

   25. TFTim Ferriss10:37

       No.

   26. KRKevin Rose10:37

       4-Hour Meditation.

   27. TFTim Ferriss10:39

       No. It's, no, no-

   28. KRKevin Rose10:40

       4-Hour Sex.

   29. TFTim Ferriss10:40

       No 4-Hour... [laughs] Uh-

   30. KRKevin Rose10:44

       That might be a good seller.
6. 11:32 – 13:57

   A possible private podcast

   1. KRKevin Rose11:32

      And so are you gonna... What would you do? Th- I've been thinking about this a lot, actually.

   2. TFTim Ferriss11:36

      Okay, why is that?

   3. KRKevin Rose11:37

      Because, so I have this, this other podcast that I'm sure a couple people have seen, the Foundation podcast-

   4. TFTim Ferriss11:42

      Yeah

   5. KRKevin Rose11:42

      ... where I've done a bunch of interviews similar to what you did, but more in video form. And so, you know, I was thinking about, um, one, trimming those down, and then two, also doing, like, a traditional interview where I sit down with someone like, you know, like an Elon Musk, per se, like-

   6. TFTim Ferriss11:57

      Yeah

   7. KRKevin Rose11:57

      ... and then in between those just do these little weekly rants that are- ... are more just like, just me getting something off my chest.

   8. TFTim Ferriss12:08

      Yeah.

   9. KRKevin Rose12:08

      Not in a rant like, "I hate Comcast," like, not something like that. [laughs] But more just like what you're experiencing in life, like what you're going through, like some of the-

   10. TFTim Ferriss12:15

       Yeah

   11. KRKevin Rose12:15

       ... like you said, the trials and tribulations that you're going through-

   12. TFTim Ferriss12:18

       Yeah

   13. KRKevin Rose12:18

       ... about different decisions that you have to make.

   14. TFTim Ferriss12:20

       Yeah

   15. KRKevin Rose12:20

       ... and just like, and opening that up and actually s- setting that free.

   16. TFTim Ferriss12:24

       Yeah

   17. KRKevin Rose12:25

       And just seeing what people do with it, but I, I don't really want it to be public in a weird way. Uh, so this is kind of weird.

   18. TFTim Ferriss12:31

       It's hard to get those- [laughs]

   19. KRKevin Rose12:32

       Let me, let me just walk this through, walk you through this. This is like, if you ... I don't even know that they belong to the ... if I want you to hear this, but, um, I think that in a weird way, I want it to be a small group, like a private group.

   20. TFTim Ferriss12:43

       Okay

   21. KRKevin Rose12:43

       But I don't know how I would let those people in.

   22. TFTim Ferriss12:45

       Huh.

   23. KRKevin Rose12:46

       So I, I would like it to be like, you know, a couple hundred people that you could, like, invite in and say, "Hey, if you're like, have been following the stuff I've been working on, if you care about these topics-

   24. TFTim Ferriss12:55

       Yeah

   25. KRKevin Rose12:56

       ... like, uh, you know, maybe you'll be interested in like these little rants and give me feedback, and we can have a discussion." Like, it's really difficult when you put out a podcast, like Say Something Like This or something that you do-

   26. TFTim Ferriss13:06

       Right

   27. KRKevin Rose13:06

       ... to gather all that feedback and have a real conversation around it, right?

   28. TFTim Ferriss13:10

       Yeah.

   29. KRKevin Rose13:10

       'Cause I'm sure, like, any time you put out anything on video, at least for me, I get a bunch of at replies on Twitter being like, "Great episode," or this and that, or, "Liked this part."

   30. TFTim Ferriss13:18

       Yeah
7. 13:57 – 16:28

   The benefits and drawbacks of a subscriber-based podcast

   1. KRKevin Rose13:57

      dialogue with?

   2. TFTim Ferriss13:57

      Well, you know, this is something I've struggled with, and I think we've, we've talked about this before, but I've, I've toyed around with the idea of having, uh, basically what you're describing as sort of a membership of some type that allows people to get exclusive, whether it be access to, say, like a Q&A that you do once every week, month, whatever it might be, or video that-

   3. KRKevin Rose14:17

      I'm sure people would love that actually.

   4. TFTim Ferriss14:21

      There are people who want it, and then there are people who say, a lot of people in my audience, who say, "Absolutely don't do that because you're gonna end up in the, you're gonna end up getting lumped into the sort of, uh, internet marketer group, like, gray zone." Um-

   5. KRKevin Rose14:36

      Yeah, but it's no different than, like, a band having, like, a membership area where they put out exclusive tracks for their most hardcore fans.

   6. TFTim Ferriss14:43

      Yeah.

   7. KRKevin Rose14:44

      You know? Like, the way I look at it is, like, I would always want the bulk of my content to be completely free.

   8. TFTim Ferriss14:49

      Yeah

   9. KRKevin Rose14:49

      Like, when I do those interviews on Foundation, there's some ... That information should be free because it's helping enrich other people's lives, other would-be entrepreneurs that are listening to someone awesome.

   10. TFTim Ferriss14:59

       Yeah.

   11. KRKevin Rose14:59

       So the little, tiny rants and bits in between, like what stocks I'm excited about, what little things that I'm into right now-

   12. TFTim Ferriss15:06

       Yeah

   13. KRKevin Rose15:06

       ... what things are fun, like, that's the stuff that I feel that, like, it takes the dedicated, hardcore people that, like, love what you do.

   14. TFTim Ferriss15:13

       Yeah

   15. KRKevin Rose15:14

       It's the same people, uh, reason people subscribe to your Quarterly box. I'll tell you why. I, I get your Quarterly box.

   16. TFTim Ferriss15:19

       Yeah.

   17. KRKevin Rose15:19

       We'll talk about this in a minute, 'cause I, I started a quarterly box too, but, like, I get your quarterly box, and the cool thing about it is I'm like, it's a, it's a little bit of you, uh, that is, that I would not, we wouldn't talk about that.

   18. TFTim Ferriss15:32

       Right

   19. KRKevin Rose15:32

       And I, and it's random crap. [laughs]

   20. TFTim Ferriss15:35

       Thank you.

   21. KRKevin Rose15:36

       No, but let me t- I'm always pleas-

   22. TFTim Ferriss15:37

       That crap is a mere $100 a quarter.

   23. KRKevin Rose15:39

       No, I, I-

   24. TFTim Ferriss15:40

       You too can be a member. [laughs]

   25. KRKevin Rose15:41

       No, I'm telling you, I'm always pleasantly surprised by what I get in it because it, I would never buy that stuff for myself.

   26. TFTim Ferriss15:47

       Right

   27. KRKevin Rose15:48

       And, like, sometimes there's, like, a supplement in there-

   28. TFTim Ferriss15:49

       Like that, that double-headed dildo

   29. KRKevin Rose15:50

       ... and I'm like, "What's-"

   30. TFTim Ferriss15:50

       You really like that?
8. 16:28 – 18:51

   My foray into a membership model

   1. TFTim Ferriss16:28

      ... Well, let's, let's talk through this a little bit because, I mean, I, I'd love people's feedback too. I, I suppose both of us would. Uh, just use #random and then hit us on, on Twitter I suppose would be the easiest thing.

   2. KRKevin Rose16:37

      How about #randomshow? 'Cause random one might probably do a lot of stuff.

   3. TFTim Ferriss16:40

      Uh, yeah, random show. So, ha- #randomshow. But the ... S- so I tried to do, very briefly, I used a WordPress plugin for this, so it wasn't, I didn't build it out, for a membership site, and I was gonna charge, uh, let's see, it was 5 or $10 a month.

   4. KRKevin Rose16:57

      Was this The 4-Hour Body stuff that you were talking about back in the day?

   5. TFTim Ferriss17:00

      Uh-

   6. KRKevin Rose17:00

      Or no?

   7. TFTim Ferriss17:01

      ... I don't remember the theme.

   8. KRKevin Rose17:02

      I thought you were doing something or you were thinking about it.

   9. TFTim Ferriss17:03

      This is wh- I, I did it, I did it for such a brief period of time, I don't even remember. Because I did it for a few weeks, and what I found is there, the, the, the lower price point is very problematic in my experience, where you end up with ... For instance, I charged $10,000 a seat for this event that I threw a couple years ago, right? Almost no complaints, and it also gave me sort of a lot of, uh, margin to play with making the product, meaning the experience, fucking ridiculous.

   10. KRKevin Rose17:31

       Mm.

   11. TFTim Ferriss17:31

       I mean, super over the top. At $10 a month, though, uh, there was a very high level of ... There were people who wanted to talk for hours, you know, via email or chat or whatever it would be, about what was wrong with it.

   12. KRKevin Rose17:46

       I see.

   13. TFTim Ferriss17:46

       Hours and hours and hours. And so I got about two weeks into the first month and I was like, "Fuck it, I'm canceling. I'm refunding all you. [laughs] Forget it, I don't wanna do it." And so I, I don't know what, like, the sweet spot is-

   14. KRKevin Rose17:59

       That's interesting

   15. TFTim Ferriss17:59

       ... for getting the, getting the diehards, right? Th- and- ... it, it's the-

   16. KRKevin Rose18:06

       The ones that aren't just there to like-

   17. TFTim Ferriss18:07

       I'm conflicted because you don't wanna make it overly cost prohibitive, but you also want the people to be truly interested in the experience you're describing.

   18. KRKevin Rose18:16

       Right. And that's what you're saying.

   19. TFTim Ferriss18:17

       Not just like, not just like, "Ah, fuck it, I'll do it."

   20. KRKevin Rose18:18

       You're saying-

   21. TFTim Ferriss18:19

       Like, I have infinite time, let me put $5 on there and-

   22. KRKevin Rose18:20

       You're saying $5 somebody's gonna be like, "Now that I have your ear, let me pitch you for X, Y, and Z." You're like-

   23. TFTim Ferriss18:25

       Right

   24. KRKevin Rose18:25

       ... how can I, how can you help me with this?

   25. TFTim Ferriss18:27

       Right.

   26. KRKevin Rose18:27

       And you're just like, it's not about that.

   27. TFTim Ferriss18:29

       Right. So setting the expectations.

   28. KRKevin Rose18:30

       I don't know, man.

   29. TFTim Ferriss18:31

       Setting the expectations and price point I think is challenging. But who knows? If you guys would like that type of subscription offering from either of us, [laughs] let us know your thoughts. Um-

   30. KRKevin Rose18:43

       Yeah
9. 18:51 – 23:43

   Apps Kevin has been trying out

   1. TFTim Ferriss18:51

      Um, so you've mentioned before we started rolling some new apps, some new apps that you were-

   2. KRKevin Rose18:57

      Yeah

   3. TFTim Ferriss18:57

      ... toying around with.

   4. KRKevin Rose18:58

      Yeah.

   5. TFTim Ferriss18:58

      Tell me about them.

   6. KRKevin Rose19:00

      So I've got a couple things. Um, one of the things that I'm trying to do as I'm building out this new company is that, uh, a- as with any founder w- that has only five people total, um, you're wearing a bunch of different hats.

   7. TFTim Ferriss19:14

      Yeah.

   8. KRKevin Rose19:14

      And so I'm constantly running into different people throughout the week or month that I need to keep tabs on. Yeah, I, I wanna follow up with them. I want to, um, check in with them from time to time. And-

   9. TFTim Ferriss19:28

      Like watch bloggers, retailers.

   10. KRKevin Rose19:30

       Watch bloggers, retailers, uh-

   11. TFTim Ferriss19:31

       Biz dev partners, whatever

   12. KRKevin Rose19:32

       ... you name it.

   13. TFTim Ferriss19:33

       Right.

   14. KRKevin Rose19:33

       There's like 100 already that I have, right?

   15. TFTim Ferriss19:35

       Yeah.

   16. KRKevin Rose19:35

       But how do you make sense of all this stuff? And then, like, and in your professional life, like some people use like LinkedIn, they like comment on each other's stuff, but like how can you do it in, in email?

   17. TFTim Ferriss19:44

       Yeah.

   18. KRKevin Rose19:44

       I want it all done in email. I want a reminder if I haven't spoken with someone in a certain amount of time. I want to see if I have ... I just had one other guy that's helped me out with biz dev now. I wanna see when he's last contacted one of these people.

   19. TFTim Ferriss19:56

       Okay.

   20. KRKevin Rose19:57

       Um, I wanna be able to put them in buckets so I can see like how many times we've had a, a touch point with them or met-

   21. TFTim Ferriss20:03

       Kinda like cold, warm.

   22. KRKevin Rose20:04

       Right. Exactly. It actually does that cold, warm-

   23. TFTim Ferriss20:06

       Sexy, hot

   24. KRKevin Rose20:06

       ... and stuff.

   25. TFTim Ferriss20:06

       Yeah.

   26. KRKevin Rose20:06

       And then, um, it, it, it'll show you when you had a, a meeting with them last. And so I, I found two solutions for this and I'd love, again, if people have others, like hit me up on Twitter. But, um, Contactually-

   27. TFTim Ferriss20:19

       Okay

   28. KRKevin Rose20:19

       ... which, uh, is pretty cool. So you can basically create a bucket. Let's just say it's like, uh, you know, investors, potential investors.

   29. TFTim Ferriss20:26

       Mm-hmm.

   30. KRKevin Rose20:26

       You create a bucket, 30 days, and then you drag your contacts. You link your, your Google, so you auth your Google account with it. It pulls in all of your emails and it looks at all-
10. 23:43 – 25:27

    The Burner temporary phone number app

    1. TFTim Ferriss23:43

       So there's an a-

    2. KRKevin Rose23:44

       Robot

    3. TFTim Ferriss23:44

       ... there's, there's an app called Burner.

    4. KRKevin Rose23:47

       Oh, I know Burner.

    5. SPSpeaker23:47

       Yeah.

    6. KRKevin Rose23:48

       Yeah.

    7. TFTim Ferriss23:48

       So a lot of people don't know about ... Okay, so why do you know Burner?

    8. KRKevin Rose23:51

       Because it's fucking Burner, dude. Everyone knows about it.

    9. TFTim Ferriss23:55

       Uh, so Burner, for those of you who don't know, 'cause I only found out about this a few weeks ago-

    10. KRKevin Rose23:59

        It's, by the way, I found out you can be traced with Burner.

    11. TFTim Ferriss24:02

        You can be traced with everything.

    12. KRKevin Rose24:04

        How do you get traced with Burner? Because you're on a freaking phone. They know that it's tied to your ...

    13. TFTim Ferriss24:09

        Well, I'm not using it to buy, like, warheads. [laughs]

    14. KRKevin Rose24:13

        What are you, what are you using it for then? Tell people what it is first-

    15. TFTim Ferriss24:15

        All right, so-

    16. KRKevin Rose24:16

        ... so there wasn't any loss

    17. TFTim Ferriss24:16

        ... uh, th- so Burner allows you to create, basically throwaway or temporary phone numbers for calling or texting. So if you, like, who knows, whether it's, like, y- you buy something on eBay, you don't wanna give your, your phone number-

    18. KRKevin Rose24:31

        Actually is a really great idea

    19. TFTim Ferriss24:31

        ... to some random stranger. What's up?

    20. KRKevin Rose24:33

        I love the idea of using it for something like eBay. That's a good idea.

    21. TFTim Ferriss24:34

        Yeah, eBay or, I mean, [laughs] obviously people are using it for dating and stuff like that, too, online dating, whatever. But the, uh, it's ... It, it provides you with a buffer where you're like, "Okay, I do wanna talk to someone, but I don't wanna give them my phone number that I can never retract," right?

    22. KRKevin Rose24:51

        Is this on the, the phone? Like, is it working on the iPhone now?

    23. TFTim Ferriss24:54

        Yeah. Works on the iPhone.

    24. KRKevin Rose24:55

        Oh, God, I need to get this.

    25. TFTim Ferriss24:57

        Yeah. And you can ... You ... I mean, I could create-

    26. KRKevin Rose24:58

        I've heard about it. I've never used it

    27. TFTim Ferriss24:59

        ... I, I could create five new phone numbers right now.

    28. KRKevin Rose25:01

        Really?

    29. TFTim Ferriss25:02

        Yeah. You just buy credits. Yeah.

    30. KRKevin Rose25:02

        And then you could just, like, just toss them, and it burns them, and they're gone.
11. 25:27 – 28:33

    How underground is my underground network?

    1. KRKevin Rose25:27

       As you should.

    2. TFTim Ferriss25:27

       Yeah.

    3. KRKevin Rose25:27

       But, uh, d- I was gonna ask you, and this is a real question. It's a joking question, but it's also a real question.

    4. TFTim Ferriss25:32

       Oh, I'm excited. [laughs]

    5. KRKevin Rose25:33

       If ... Do you think ... 'Cause you know some shit. Like, you know, like, how to work the underground shit and all that stuff.

    6. TFTim Ferriss25:40

       Yeah.

    7. KRKevin Rose25:40

       Could you buy, like, a, a weapon, like a nuclear weapon or something like that online?

    8. TFTim Ferriss25:43

       A nuclear weapon-

    9. KRKevin Rose25:43

       No-

    10. TFTim Ferriss25:43

        ... would be very hard.

    11. KRKevin Rose25:45

        You think it'd be hard?

    12. TFTim Ferriss25:45

        Of course it'd be hard.

    13. KRKevin Rose25:46

        How about just getting a little plutonium?

    14. TFTim Ferriss25:48

        Uh, you know, I would have to think about it. I've never looked for it. Um-

    15. KRKevin Rose25:52

        [laughs] I think you might

    16. TFTim Ferriss25:53

        ... I mean, there are markets for these things, right?

    17. KRKevin Rose25:55

        Okay.

    18. TFTim Ferriss25:56

        I mean, there are buyers and sellers of illegal arms.

    19. KRKevin Rose25:58

        [laughs]

    20. TFTim Ferriss25:59

        So ostensibly, if you have enough money and the right contacts, you could have that conversation.

    21. KRKevin Rose26:03

        No, I mean, I get that.

    22. TFTim Ferriss26:03

        And you could immediately have, like, [laughs] a black hood thrown over your head and get thrown in the back of a white van, too.

    23. KRKevin Rose26:08

        Why ... Yeah.

    24. TFTim Ferriss26:09

        Uh, but yeah, I am fascinated by this stuff, though. We got War by Other Means.

    25. KRKevin Rose26:15

        This is why I ask these questions.

    26. TFTim Ferriss26:15

        Masters of War, given to me by a chess teacher/Brazilian jujitsu black belt.

    27. KRKevin Rose26:20

        How to buy nuclear weapons. [laughs]

    28. TFTim Ferriss26:22

        How to buy ... Right. The Art of Deception. This is, these are, uh, this is Mitnick. I, I've had this for years, but this is, uh, sort of social engineering stuff. Those are some of my notes. Plutonium, no idea. I've never tried. I, I mean, can you get yourself into a lot of trouble? You heard about the, was it Silk Road, the guy who finally got-

    29. KRKevin Rose26:38

        Oh, yeah. He finally got in trouble

    30. TFTim Ferriss26:38

        ... he was on trial.
12. 28:33 – 31:38

    Mics I use for podcasting

    1. TFTim Ferriss28:33

       things. So people have asked me about mics. I haven't talked about this one, I use this all the time, uh, that I use for podcasting. So this is the, uh, it's by a company called Yellowtec. It's German, and this is the iXm. So this is an all-in-one mic that levels, uh, without using any external software. Um, so it's, it's a really, really cool piece of hardware and ends up sounding like you're in a studio half the time, even if I'm recording an intro or something like that-

    2. KRKevin Rose29:03

       Hmm. Is it wireless?

    3. TFTim Ferriss29:04

       ... in an airport. No, it's not wireless. You just have to, have to pop the, pop the card out. Or you can-

    4. KRKevin Rose29:09

       Oh, interesting

    5. TFTim Ferriss29:09

       ... or you can plug it in. So it's all self-contained. So I can, I could go, like, man on the street and do an entire interview, get hours and hours and hours, tens of hours if the card's big enough, and, uh-

    6. KRKevin Rose29:19

       So is this what you use your podcast with? You give one of those to, to the other person?

    7. TFTim Ferriss29:22

       I will use this if I'm just recording intros or sponsor reads or something like that. Uh, when I am in person, like what I did with Arnold Schwarzenegger, then we had just a, an, an H4n, it's a zoom recorder, and then two old-school, like, s- standup stage mics.

    8. KRKevin Rose29:39

       Why not use these, though?

    9. TFTim Ferriss29:41

       Uh, because these do not ... I mean, I could use these, but these are somewhere between 600 and $1,000, and the other mics are 50 bucks.

    10. KRKevin Rose29:50

        Wow.

    11. TFTim Ferriss29:50

        50 bucks.

    12. KRKevin Rose29:50

        Yeah, but then you pay for the expensive recorder, which is, like, $600.

    13. TFTim Ferriss29:55

        Uh, the recorder is not that much. It's about 300 bucks. Uh-

    14. KRKevin Rose29:58

        The only thing I don't like about this is all the start and stop buttons are, like, right on the freaking mic. [laughs]

    15. KRKevin Rose30:02

        Yeah, what if you accidentally hit the-

    16. KRKevin Rose30:03

        Yeah

    17. KRKevin Rose30:03

        ... button here holding it?

    18. TFTim Ferriss30:05

        Yeah. You- Have to be careful. I've never had an issue with it because I don't hold it like this, like a flute with my fingers on the buttons.

    19. KRKevin Rose30:12

        [laughs]

    20. TFTim Ferriss30:12

        I mean, if you hold it like that, it's fine. Uh, but yeah, this is one of two or three mics that I use most often. And people say they prefer doing in-person interviews, i.e. interviewers will say, "Oh, it's always better in person." I find that less can go wrong if you record over Skype with eCall Recorder-

    21. KRKevin Rose30:33

        Mm-hmm

    22. TFTim Ferriss30:33

        ... and two cheap USB mics. So I, I generally prefer that.

    23. KRKevin Rose30:38

        So do you have a dial-in number for Skype, they call in?

    24. TFTim Ferriss30:40

        I just do Skype. No, straight Wi-Fi.

    25. KRKevin Rose30:42

        And they have Skype, too?

    26. TFTim Ferriss30:43

        Right.

    27. KRKevin Rose30:44

        But you don't turn on video, you just have it over audio?

    28. TFTim Ferriss30:46

        No, I don't use video because I'm not recording video and I don't want to eat the bandwidth.

    29. KRKevin Rose30:49

        It doesn't cut out on you at all? It cuts out on me all the time.

    30. TFTim Ferriss30:51

        I've n- I've had-
13. 31:38 – 38:17

    Kevin's new record player + our favorite records

    1. KRKevin Rose31:38

       Uh, yeah, so let's talk about, uh, this at the risk of sounding like a hipster. I'm gonna throw this out there. I just got, for the first time, a record player.

    2. TFTim Ferriss31:49

       Okay.

    3. KRKevin Rose31:50

       And so let me tell you why. It's not the usual reasons, because, uh, I think like this is cool.

    4. TFTim Ferriss31:55

       Yeah.

    5. KRKevin Rose31:56

       Like, record players like have been like a hipster thing in San Francisco for quite a while, like collecting vinyl, like all that stuff. My buddy, Josh Cook, who you know-

    6. TFTim Ferriss32:05

       Mm-hmm

    7. KRKevin Rose32:05

       ... he um, he was selling his record player with some speakers. And he was like, "Hey, do you, is this something you wanna buy?" And he, he gave me a demo at his house. And one of the things that I realized about record players is that it is a great way to break up, uh, your day.

    8. TFTim Ferriss32:22

       Uh-huh.

    9. KRKevin Rose32:22

       Because it forces you to get up and flip the record, and it also forces you to listen to an album, like all the way through.

    10. TFTim Ferriss32:30

        Yeah.

    11. KRKevin Rose32:31

        And so I was on Spotify and I, I've been using Spotify and Sonos and all that, and it's so easy to be like, "Ah, next song. Ah, I hate that song. Oh, next song."

    12. TFTim Ferriss32:38

        Yeah.

    13. KRKevin Rose32:38

        Record player, it's a much more difficult. I mean, you have to get there-

    14. TFTim Ferriss32:41

        Yeah

    15. KRKevin Rose32:41

        ... take up the needle-

    16. TFTim Ferriss32:42

        Right

    17. KRKevin Rose32:42

        ... set it back down. And there's something really Zen about just like putting on an album and lis- especially an old album-

    18. TFTim Ferriss32:50

        Yeah

    19. KRKevin Rose32:50

        ... and like listening to the, the original way it was pressed, like in mono.

    20. TFTim Ferriss32:53

        Right.

    21. KRKevin Rose32:53

        And there's a certain warmth that comes out of the speakers that you just don't get with like digital audio.

    22. TFTim Ferriss32:58

        Yeah.

    23. KRKevin Rose32:59

        And so, you know, I started getting to some really good jazz and just some like, some old Beatles records, and, uh, I just-

    24. TFTim Ferriss33:07

        Frank Sinatra.

    25. KRKevin Rose33:08

        Sinatra. I have Sinatra live-

    26. TFTim Ferriss33:09

        Maybe listen to that

    27. KRKevin Rose33:10

        ... I mean, you were at my house.

    28. TFTim Ferriss33:10

        Yeah.

    29. KRKevin Rose33:11

        You, you saw. What did you think?

    30. TFTim Ferriss33:13

        I thought it was really fun. I, uh, I like the experience of listening to albums, and, uh, I like the fact that musical artists had to think about the composition of a side A and a side B, uh, in the same way that an author has to think about like the composition and, and order of chapters within a section.
14. 38:17 – 39:28

    Walking treadmill desks

    1. KRKevin Rose38:17

       Um... [laughs]

    2. TFTim Ferriss38:18

       What else you got?

    3. KRKevin Rose38:18

       Okay. So, uh, let's see. What else? I think that's it. I have one more thing I wanna talk about. I'm gonna, uh, give Tim a link when he posts this on his blog for a walking treadmill desk that I have that I absolutely love. Uh, it's a little hard to adjust up and down, but once you adjust it one time, like, you're good to go. It, it's, um, these treadmill desks, they're great 'cause I can set my laptop down, I can just bang out a bunch of emails. I actually can do work at two miles per hour, and I have my Fitbit on, so I'm getting steps at the same time. I don't set any incline, 'cause it doesn't do incline. It's just flat. And then I set it to two miles an hour, and I'll do it two hours a day, and you'll, you'll rack up, you know, 15,000 steps in no time.

    4. TFTim Ferriss38:55

       Yeah.

    5. KRKevin Rose38:56

       It's awesome. The thing is I found them anywhere from $700 to, like, $4,000. This one, I kind of, like, it was $1,500. It had a lot of great reviews, and I was like, "Well, you know what? I'll roll the dice." Like, this nice one looked really nice.

    6. TFTim Ferriss39:10

       Got it on Amazon?

    7. KRKevin Rose39:10

       Yeah, I got it Amazon. And I got it, and honestly, it's a great d- it's a great treadmill. Bluetooth syncs with your phone if you wanna do that. It, like, it does everything, and it's, like, 1,500 bucks. It was, which is expensive, but it's not crazy, like, $5,000 expensive like some of the crazier ones.

    8. TFTim Ferriss39:24

       Yeah.

    9. KRKevin Rose39:24

       Uh, anyway, I'll, I'll put a link to it on your, on your blog.

    10. TFTim Ferriss39:27

        All right.

    11. KRKevin Rose39:27

        Uh, the,

15. 39:28 – 43:40

    Kevin's New Year's resolution (drink less!)

    1. KRKevin Rose39:28

       the last thing is that, um, New Year's resolution, since we really haven't covered them this year, um, I'll talk about one of my... One of the things I wanna do is really track all of, uh, the drinks that I have this year, so just drinking.

    2. TFTim Ferriss39:40

       Which I should say is not intended to necessarily reduce the number of drinks you have.

    3. KRKevin Rose39:44

       No. Step one is track. Step two is reduce.

    4. TFTim Ferriss39:47

       Okay. [laughs]

    5. KRKevin Rose39:48

       It's a two-step process here.

    6. TFTim Ferriss39:48

       How you doing so far?

    7. KRKevin Rose39:49

       I've, I've tracked-

    8. TFTim Ferriss39:51

       How many dr-

    9. KRKevin Rose39:51

       ... and I'm now, and n- now I'm starting to reduce

    10. TFTim Ferriss39:53

        ... how many drinks did you have in the last four weeks, or last month?

    11. KRKevin Rose39:56

        Last month. Last month was a difficult month.

    12. TFTim Ferriss39:59

        [laughs]

    13. KRKevin Rose40:01

        It was tough.

    14. TFTim Ferriss40:02

        [laughs]

    15. KRKevin Rose40:03

        It was tough because, listen, I w- I had, I went to Napa for a weekend.

    16. TFTim Ferriss40:07

        [laughs] Yeah.

    17. KRKevin Rose40:07

        And I went to this wine-tasting event where they do this, like, crazy wine thing.

    18. TFTim Ferriss40:10

        [laughs]

    19. KRKevin Rose40:11

        This is sound douchier the more I go on. [laughs]

    20. TFTim Ferriss40:13

        [laughs]

    21. KRKevin Rose40:14

        And I also was traveling. I went to Germany and Switzerland.

    22. TFTim Ferriss40:17

        [laughs]

    23. KRKevin Rose40:18

        And so I was gone for another week and a half, week and change.

    24. TFTim Ferriss40:21

        Those, those come with serious obligations.

    25. KRKevin Rose40:23

        I mean, there was-

    26. TFTim Ferriss40:23

        Beverage obligations

    27. KRKevin Rose40:24

        ... there was beverage obligations to be had.

    28. TFTim Ferriss40:25

        [laughs]

    29. KRKevin Rose40:26

        I drank a lot of drinks last month.

    30. TFTim Ferriss40:27

        How many drinks?
16. 43:40 – 45:15

    My language-learning flashcards

    1. TFTim Ferriss43:40

       Um-

    2. KRKevin Rose43:40

       That's all I have

    3. TFTim Ferriss43:41

       ... these are, for those people who haven't seen these, uh, so this is specifically for Arabic, but, uh-

    4. KRKevin Rose43:49

       Is it?

    5. TFTim Ferriss43:49

       ... these are Vis-Ed flashcards, V-I-S hyphen E-D dot com. I still enjoy using paper. You don't have to. There are many options for using digital flashcards, but what I like about these, typically, and I, I haven't really dug into the Arabic all too much yet, uh, but oftentimes they will have-

    6. KRKevin Rose44:13

       Wow

    7. TFTim Ferriss44:13

       ... sample sentences on them. So in this particular case, doesn't seem to be holding true that they have these sample sentences, but in Spanish, Japanese, I have these for, I don't know, probably 12 languages.

    8. KRKevin Rose44:26

       Geez.

    9. TFTim Ferriss44:26

       And they'll have sample sentences on the back for Spanish, German, Japanese, Chinese, Mandarin, et cetera. And, uh, I am going to be reviewing these, and then I thought I'd show you another fun thing for those language n- nerds out there, which is, uh, IPA flashcards. So what is... Uh, it's not Indian pale ale. It's the International Phonetic Alphabet. So the International Phonetic Alphabet, if you, if you learn these various sounds, right, phonemes, like hello friend is written that way, uh, that allows you to converse with people who are teaching any given language, if they're language teachers or linguists, and they can explain how something sounds. They can write it in a common tongue. This is just for pronunciation. Um,

17. 45:15 – 47:14

    American Dream U, helping veterans re-assimilate

    1. TFTim Ferriss45:15

       and the reason that I've been thinking about all of this is I am going to Monterey, here in California, in the next few weeks, within two or three weeks, to visit these guys. So this is, uh, American Dream U is a nonprofit organization that helps veterans re-assimilate into civilian life, and it gives them specifically education and tools and resources for either becoming entrepreneurs or finding their dream jobs. And g- down in Monterey, it, unbeknownst to many people, is one of the most effective and famous language institutes in the world, and they do, they send a lot of the top SEALs and whatnot to Monterey specifically to learn languages like Arabic before being deployed.

    2. KRKevin Rose46:01

       Hmm.

    3. TFTim Ferriss46:01

       So they've refined their systems very, very rigorously. So I'm gonna be s-

    4. KRKevin Rose46:05

       Do you know any Arabic at all?

    5. TFTim Ferriss46:07

       Maybe

    6. KRKevin Rose46:07

       [laughs]

    7. TFTim Ferriss46:11

       ...

    8. KRKevin Rose46:11

       [laughs]

    9. TFTim Ferriss46:12

       That means, like, my dear.

    10. KRKevin Rose46:13

        Yeah.

    11. TFTim Ferriss46:13

        Um, so a, a little bit. I have a little bit, because I spent some time in Jordan.

    12. KRKevin Rose46:17

        What about shatta?

    13. TFTim Ferriss46:18

        Don't know that.

    14. KRKevin Rose46:18

        Means hot sauce.

    15. TFTim Ferriss46:20

        Means hot sauce?

    16. KRKevin Rose46:20

        Yeah. How about zaitun?

    17. TFTim Ferriss46:23

        No. That's the name of a restaurant on Mar- on, uh-

    18. KRKevin Rose46:25

        Means olive

    19. TFTim Ferriss46:25

        ... Valencia.

    20. KRKevin Rose46:26

        Olive oil.

    21. TFTim Ferriss46:27

        Oh, all right.

    22. KRKevin Rose46:27

        And zait is olives.

    23. TFTim Ferriss46:29

        Oh.

    24. KRKevin Rose46:29

        Zait, zaitun.

    25. TFTim Ferriss46:30

        Oh, yeah?

    26. KRKevin Rose46:31

        Uh-

    27. TFTim Ferriss46:31

        Is this in preparation for your trip to-

    28. KRKevin Rose46:34

        Dubai?

    29. TFTim Ferriss46:34

        Dubai?

    30. KRKevin Rose46:35

        Uh, no. My, I live next door to my buddy Ramsey-
18. 47:14 – 49:29

    The Silver Cord graphic novel by Kevin Kelly

    1. TFTim Ferriss47:14

       And then, uh, this one I thought I would show off, which is, which is fun. I was sent this by, um, my friend Kevin Kelly. So this is The Silver Cord. This is a massive graphic novel, and it's, it's about a war between humans, angels, and robots with human-like intelligence. Uh, now why would you pay attention to any such thing? Number one, the art is actually extremely good. Um, I mean, there's... You can see the paneling, the lettering, the ink and coloring, everything is great. And, uh, Kevin Kelly is interesting for many, many reasons, but he's-

    2. KRKevin Rose47:51

       Yes, he is

    3. TFTim Ferriss47:52

       ... he's, uh, was the founding editor of Wired Magazine, and is very well-known. He's involved with The Long Now Foundation. He's an incredibly accurate, uh, futurist and te- technology predictor. I mean, very few people can match him. If you look at Kevin Kelly's videos from five, 10 years ago, he's just nailing- One ins- i-instance after another of things that are only happening right now, and he can hit the timelines correctly oftentimes. And I interviewed him for a three-part series on, uh, The Tim Ferriss Show, the podcast. Uh, but he sends out letters to his friends once a year sort of recapping the year, and, uh, a trip that he takes with his whole family, and he sent that along with it, which I'm pretty-

    4. KRKevin Rose48:36

       Hmm

    5. TFTim Ferriss48:36

       ... pretty stoked to check out. The other reason that interests me, uh, of course having experimented in publishing in different ways myself, is that this was financed by fans. So this, uh, was, was funded entirely by people who wanted to read it, and then printed, I think, in Hong Kong. Beautiful printing. I mean, they did a great job.

    6. KRKevin Rose48:55

       Yeah, it's beautiful.

    7. TFTim Ferriss48:56

       Uh, so if you're looking for something to read, if you're hearing about artificial intelligence, the rise of the machines, the threat of artificial intelligence and so on in the news, uh, I haven't read this yet, but I suspect that there are some very interesting, uh, technological observations and also philosophical, uh, questions in this book, uh, if it, if it's, uh, if it's Kevin Kelly's usual approach to things.

    8. KRKevin Rose49:21

       Hmm.

    9. TFTim Ferriss49:21

       The Silver Cord is worth checking out. And, uh, suppose that's-

    10. KRKevin Rose49:28

        Awesome. Sweet.

19. 49:29 – 51:54

    Our Quarterly.co subscription gift boxes

    1. KRKevin Rose49:29

       Well, I don't have anything else. Do you?

    2. TFTim Ferriss49:30

       That's all I got. Let me think. Uh, you were gonna talk about Quarterly.

    3. KRKevin Rose49:33

       Yeah, so I've got my Quarterly box coming out. Um, we mentioned Tim's earlier. His box full of crap.

    4. TFTim Ferriss49:38

       [laughs]

    5. KRKevin Rose49:39

       Uh, no, it, it actually is really good.

    6. TFTim Ferriss49:40

       Quarterly.co/tim, I think. Eh, just search Quarterly and then Tim Ferriss.

    7. KRKevin Rose49:45

       Yeah, I think mine's quarterly.co/kevin or kevinrose. But, uh, I, I'm doing $100 box, and I did one, um, for this last holiday season. We had some really awesome stuff in there. And, uh, yeah, I'm pretty stoked because the cool thing, and I think you get the same kinda pull, is that you go into, um, these manufacturers or whatever it may be, and you say like, "Hey, listen, I've got a bunch of like really kind of like influential tech people that are kinda watching what I do and when, and they listen to my stuff," and I feel like that's what these people are that are watching the show here. And-

    8. TFTim Ferriss50:18

       Yeah

    9. KRKevin Rose50:19

       ... um, they typically give you the stuff at cost or like below cost-

    10. TFTim Ferriss50:23

        Yeah

    11. KRKevin Rose50:23

        ... to put, put in your box.

    12. TFTim Ferriss50:25

        Yeah.

    13. KRKevin Rose50:25

        And so you actually put a lot more than the actual value of the box. So-

    14. TFTim Ferriss50:28

        Oh, sure. Yeah

    15. KRKevin Rose50:29

        ... the boxes are 100 bucks, and I think I added up, um, all of what I was able to put in the last box, and I'm not talking like retail price, 'cause that's always bullshit.

    16. TFTim Ferriss50:38

        Yeah.

    17. KRKevin Rose50:38

        I actually went on Amazon and searched for it and like-

    18. TFTim Ferriss50:40

        Yeah

    19. KRKevin Rose50:40

        ... how much would this cost if someone were to buy this? And it was, um, like $140 worth of stuff-

    20. TFTim Ferriss50:45

        Yeah

    21. KRKevin Rose50:45

        ... for 100 bucks.

    22. TFTim Ferriss50:46

        And you can sometimes, what, what I've had a lot of fun with in working with Quarterly is when you go to a manufacturer or an artist or an author and you say, "Hey, I wanna buy 2,000 of X."

    23. KRKevin Rose50:58

        Mm-hmm.

    24. TFTim Ferriss50:59

        Or whatever your subscriber count is, once it gets to a certain point, you can very often do customized stuff. So for e- for example, I'll be right back. Uh, so this is, uh, this is one of my favorite graphic novels.

    25. KRKevin Rose51:16

        Oh, yeah, I got one of these in one of your-

    26. TFTim Ferriss51:17

        Yeah. You guys talked about this- Oh, we did? All right ... a couple, couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so I'll just, I'll just mention it very, very briefly. I'll show... I don't think I showed this last time. But so Simon, Simon, I think it's Bisley. It might be Beasley. Anyway, I was able to get a, uh, a unique print run with original artwork just for the people who got it. So-

    27. KRKevin Rose51:36

        That's awesome.

    28. TFTim Ferriss51:37

        Um, yeah, check out Lobo if you haven't seen Bisley's Lobo.

    29. KRKevin Rose51:39

        Oh, it was amazing.

    30. TFTim Ferriss51:40

        Yeah.
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    Would you like a subscription service from Tim and Kevin?

    1. KRKevin Rose51:54

       And if, if it's of interest, if you love the idea or hate the idea or somewhere in between of either of us or both of us doing some kind of subscription thing for like a couple hundred people or a thousand people where we, I don't know, give unique access or goodies of some type to people, let us know. So hashtag randomshow on Twitter, @tferriss, two Rs, two Ss.

    2. TFTim Ferriss52:18

       @kevinrose.

    3. KRKevin Rose52:19

       @kevinrose. And as always, love your feedback, so let us know what you think.

    4. TFTim Ferriss52:23

       Yeah, thanks for watching. See you guys. [upbeat music]

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