Tim Ferriss’s Sabbatical, Kevin Rose Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools, and More — The Tim Ferriss Show

1. 0:00 – 0:49

   Kevin Rose assaulted by futuristic technology

   1. TFTim Ferriss0:00

      So I'll put this in my mouth, and this is gonna wrap around both sides of my gums

   2. KRKevin Rose0:02

      How are you, how are you gonna r- how are you gonna rinse that?

   3. TFTim Ferriss0:04

      I don't know.

   4. KRKevin Rose0:05

      All right, let's see it. Let's see it. It's gonna be good.

   5. TFTim Ferriss0:06

      Uh, hello. Mm-hmm. M- m- mmm.

   6. KRKevin Rose0:10

      [laughs]

   7. TFTim Ferriss0:11

      Hmm. [laughs]

   8. KRKevin Rose0:13

      [laughs]

   9. TFTim Ferriss0:15

      [laughs]

   10. KRKevin Rose0:16

       [laughs]

   11. TFTim Ferriss0:17

       [laughs]

   12. KRKevin Rose0:18

       [laughs]

   13. TFTim Ferriss0:18

       [laughs]

   14. KRKevin Rose0:19

       [laughs]

   15. TFTim Ferriss0:24

       Oh, God. I couldn't solve it.

   16. KRKevin Rose0:26

       [laughs]

   17. TFTim Ferriss0:27

       [laughs] Okay. Okay.

   18. KRKevin Rose0:29

       Holy shit.

   19. TFTim Ferriss0:29

       I know what you're thinking.

   20. KRKevin Rose0:30

       That-

   21. TFTim Ferriss0:30

       [laughs]

   22. KRKevin Rose0:32

       [laughs] You definitely bought that on Pornhub.

   23. TFTim Ferriss0:34

       No, I didn't. [laughs]

   24. KRKevin Rose0:47

       [laughs] [upbeat music]

2. 0:49 – 8:28

   A sabbatical recap and future podcasting plans.

   1. KRKevin Rose0:49

      Hello, friends and family. Welcome to the Random Show. I am here in my studio with Tim Ferriss. Tim, you're here in my house.

   2. TFTim Ferriss0:56

      I know. It's so nice.

   3. KRKevin Rose0:57

      I shouldn't say that my studio's in my house.

   4. TFTim Ferriss0:58

      [laughs]

   5. KRKevin Rose0:59

      We can still say that. It's fine. But-

   6. TFTim Ferriss1:01

      It's in your, [laughs] it's in your bat cave.

   7. KRKevin Rose1:03

      I'm, I'm glad you're here, brother.

   8. TFTim Ferriss1:04

      Yeah.

   9. KRKevin Rose1:04

      It's good to see you in person.

   10. TFTim Ferriss1:05

       Yeah, it's great to see you. I'm really, really thrilled that it worked out, and what better way to get off of my podcast sabbatical than with saying hi to my good friend Kevin-

   11. KRKevin Rose1:14

       How did that feel-

   12. TFTim Ferriss1:14

       ... with a few drinks

   13. KRKevin Rose1:14

       ... by the way?

   14. TFTim Ferriss1:15

       So the sabbatical, first time in 10 years-

   15. KRKevin Rose1:18

       Yeah

   16. TFTim Ferriss1:18

       ... that I've taken a break from the podcast, and it's been four months roughly of sharing a lot of the greatest hits. And it's been a combination of feeling fantastic, and I've-

   17. KRKevin Rose1:31

       Mm-hmm

   18. TFTim Ferriss1:31

       ... been working on other projects that are really energy in for me. My first new book in seven years that I've been working on.

   19. KRKevin Rose1:39

       That's not a sabbatical, by the way, but [laughs] ...

   20. TFTim Ferriss1:41

       Well, usually, though, in fairness, the word sabbatical is typically used in academic circles-

   21. KRKevin Rose1:46

       Oh, Jesus. Here we go

   22. TFTim Ferriss1:46

       ... and when they take a break [laughs] from teaching, they do other things. Right?

   23. KRKevin Rose1:50

       Right.

   24. TFTim Ferriss1:51

       They, they do other things. And I think you and I, if we're being honest, are both working dogs. Like, we can take breaks, but it's like you take a working dog, like a border collie, you stick it in your apartment in New York City and it doesn't run-

   25. KRKevin Rose2:01

       Yeah

   26. TFTim Ferriss2:01

       ... and you're like, "Why is it chewing the couch?"

   27. KRKevin Rose2:03

       Right.

   28. TFTim Ferriss2:03

       It's 'cause it has to run. So for me, to do the deep work of books specifically-

   29. KRKevin Rose2:10

       Mm-hmm

   30. TFTim Ferriss2:10

       ... is just a different shift, different gear than feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast-
3. 8:28 – 10:24

   PicStudio's disturbingly realistic AI-generated portraits.

   1. KRKevin Rose8:28

      We got lots to catch up

   2. TFTim Ferriss8:28

      ... also covered today

   3. KRKevin Rose8:29

      So yeah, why don't you hop in? So Addison, are you around? We have my dear friend Addison, who lives here in LA, who is a, a part-time semi-professional bartender, mixologist. Not really, but you know, he does that for fun, and he also does an AI company part-time called PicStudio.ai, which s- just came out with a new model. And you know how these AI models are changing so fast, right?

   4. TFTim Ferriss8:52

      Yes. Mm-hmm.

   5. KRKevin Rose8:52

      When I was first messing around with this with him, like, a while ago, it was pretty good. It was good. It was like, I used it as a headshot for a couple places, right? But you could still kinda like look at it. If you look, if you squinted, you'd be like, "Mm, AI," right?

   6. TFTim Ferriss9:02

      Yeah, uncanny valley.

   7. KRKevin Rose9:03

      Right.

   8. TFTim Ferriss9:03

      You'd be like, "Wait a second."

   9. KRKevin Rose9:04

      So they came out with a new model, and I wanted to show you. We'll see if, Addison's gonna make us some drinks as well. I wanna show you a couple pictures of yourself.

   10. TFTim Ferriss9:10

       Oh.

   11. KRKevin Rose9:10

       Dude, this is a brand-new model.

   12. TFTim Ferriss9:12

       Holy shit. That's insanity.

   13. KRKevin Rose9:13

       Is that insane?

   14. TFTim Ferriss9:15

       And we'll put these up on YouTube and other places-

   15. KRKevin Rose9:17

       Yeah

   16. TFTim Ferriss9:17

       ... so people can see the images. That's terrifying.

   17. KRKevin Rose9:19

       Dude, how real does that look?

   18. TFTim Ferriss9:20

       I'm looking good. I'm looking good.

   19. KRKevin Rose9:22

       Yeah, you're looking, this should be your new dating profile picture.

   20. TFTim Ferriss9:24

       [laughs] Ooh.

   21. KRKevin Rose9:25

       Now that one, you're a little preppy there-

   22. TFTim Ferriss9:27

       I'm a little preppy-

   23. KRKevin Rose9:27

       ... with the cargo shorts

   24. TFTim Ferriss9:28

       ... but you know, this is like

   25. KRKevin Rose9:30

       The ocean looks nice.

   26. TFTim Ferriss9:32

       What's crazy is the kind of full body dimension accuracy.

   27. KRKevin Rose9:37

       Yeah.

   28. TFTim Ferriss9:38

       That's nuts.

   29. KRKevin Rose9:39

       Yeah, he was saying that you can, like, use the prompt now to say, like, this shirt type or like-

   30. TFTim Ferriss9:43

       Yeah, so-
4. 10:24 – 11:08

   Kevin's new Jess Mascetti tattoo.

   1. TFTim Ferriss10:24

      Speaking of looking good, you wanna show off your new tattoo?

   2. KRKevin Rose10:26

      Oh, yeah, I just got a, a little crane here. @jessmascetti on, uh, on Instagram. She's amazing, a New York-based tattoo artist. She's done, uh, Bruce Willis, a bunch of other really famous kind of people in the past.

   3. TFTim Ferriss10:36

      I was wondering why I had Bruce Willis on your forearm.

   4. KRKevin Rose10:38

      Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

   5. TFTim Ferriss10:39

      How did you choose that?

   6. KRKevin Rose10:41

      So you probably know this, but in Japanese lore, children's books and others, the crane is a symbol of, uh, because of its length, that can span heaven and Earth.

   7. TFTim Ferriss10:51

      Mm.

   8. KRKevin Rose10:51

      And so it's used as a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and Earth. I, I just like that lore.

   9. TFTim Ferriss10:56

      Yeah.

   10. KRKevin Rose10:56

       It's cool.

   11. TFTim Ferriss10:57

       Yeah.

   12. KRKevin Rose10:57

       And one day, and I got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well, so-

   13. TFTim Ferriss11:00

       Wow

   14. KRKevin Rose11:00

       ... got, got both. But she-

   15. TFTim Ferriss11:01

       A lot of ink

   16. KRKevin Rose11:02

       ... she's insanely, insanely talented.

   17. TFTim Ferriss11:03

       Very talented, yeah, beautiful artwork.

   18. KRKevin Rose11:05

       We'll link to her profile in the, in the old show notes.

5. 11:08 – 15:31

   Vampire facials and a platelet-rich plasma (PRP) problem.

   1. KRKevin Rose11:08

      So you were looking really good [laughs] on Instagram, and you posted that you got-

   2. TFTim Ferriss11:13

      No. [laughs]

   3. KRKevin Rose11:13

      ... a vampire facial done.

   4. TFTim Ferriss11:15

      Yeah, vampire facial. Yeah, so I put up a photo which popped up on my phone. It was generated by the phone, and it had t- you know, today eight years ago.

   5. KRKevin Rose11:25

      Right.

   6. TFTim Ferriss11:25

      And it was a photo of me from eight years ago, and I realized, which I more or less hoped would be the case and really pushed for, which was like, all right, I, I lost my hair pretty early, and then I looked older than my friends.

   7. KRKevin Rose11:36

      Yeah.

   8. TFTim Ferriss11:36

      And I was like, I just need to make it, like, the next 10 years and train my ass off and watch my diet, and I think I'll kind of flatline or plateau in terms of how I look.

   9. KRKevin Rose11:45

      Right.

   10. TFTim Ferriss11:45

       And so the photos made it look, I think, like I had largely not aged in eight years.

   11. KRKevin Rose11:51

       It looked amazing.

   12. TFTim Ferriss11:52

       It looked amazing. So I, I put up- Eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark, and then I put RVP in parentheses, will do wonders for your skin. [laughs] And it was a total joke on my part.

   13. KRKevin Rose12:06

       Right.

   14. TFTim Ferriss12:06

       Unbeknownst to me, though-

   15. KRKevin Rose12:08

       Well, you put, you turned off comments, too

   16. TFTim Ferriss12:10

       ... I turned off comments. Yeah.

   17. KRKevin Rose12:11

       Yeah.

   18. TFTim Ferriss12:11

       There's a long story behind that we won't get into. But, but the reason that was funny is because so many people-

   19. KRKevin Rose12:15

       [laughs]

   20. TFTim Ferriss12:15

       ... I didn't get any of the feedback

   21. KRKevin Rose12:16

       ... who were giving the feedback, there is a such thing as a vampire facial.

   22. TFTim Ferriss12:19

       [laughs]

   23. KRKevin Rose12:19

       And you were joking. And I looked at it, I was like, "Oh, shit, Tim does the vampire too." I'm like, "Wow, he's been doing it for a long time, he's never told me about it."

   24. TFTim Ferriss12:25

       [laughs]

   25. KRKevin Rose12:26

       You know?

   26. TFTim Ferriss12:26

       What is the vampire facial?

   27. KRKevin Rose12:27

       So about a month ago now, I was at the dermatologist, and you know, you go in once a year and get your, all your warts and shit looked at to make sure you don't have a cancer. And I go in there and they're like, "Hey," like, you know, "You want some good shit?" You know? Like-

   28. TFTim Ferriss12:40

       Now that I'm looking at your eyes, we, you, we were talking about, like, crow's feet-

   29. KRKevin Rose12:43

       Mm-hmm

   30. TFTim Ferriss12:43

       ... and turning them back into-
6. 15:31 – 24:48

   Tequila martinis.

   1. KRKevin Rose15:31

      got it. Thank you. Thanks, brother. Yeah. Awesome.

   2. TFTim Ferriss15:33

      So what, what is, what is this?

   3. KRKevin Rose15:35

      Yeah. Tequila martini. Tequila martini.

   4. TFTim Ferriss15:37

      Tequila martini.

   5. KRKevin Rose15:38

      Cheers.

   6. TFTim Ferriss15:39

      Cheers. Cheers, brother.

   7. KRKevin Rose15:40

      This is your tequila too that you invested in.

   8. TFTim Ferriss15:41

      Oh, yeah. Lalo Tequila. Check it out.

   9. KRKevin Rose15:43

      Oh, awesome.

   10. TFTim Ferriss15:43

       Only alcohol brand I've ever invested in.

   11. KRKevin Rose15:45

       Thank you.

   12. TFTim Ferriss15:46

       Yeah. Mm.

   13. KRKevin Rose15:47

       So yeah, you squirted staph infection at me, you fucker.

   14. TFTim Ferriss15:50

       I did. [laughs]

   15. KRKevin Rose15:52

       [laughs] Which I'm like, m- looking back at that, I'm like, that was a pretty dick thing to do.

   16. TFTim Ferriss15:57

       Yeah, I knew-

   17. KRKevin Rose15:57

       But you laughed

   18. TFTim Ferriss15:57

       ... I wasn't, I wasn't gonna get you in the eyes.

   19. KRKevin Rose15:59

       Yeah.

   20. TFTim Ferriss15:59

       I wasn't gonna Phantom of the Opera you.

   21. KRKevin Rose16:00

       [laughs] Yeah.

   22. TFTim Ferriss16:01

       Uh, but PRP-

   23. KRKevin Rose16:02

       Damn, this is a good drink

   24. TFTim Ferriss16:03

       ... it is a great drink.

   25. KRKevin Rose16:04

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. TFTim Ferriss16:04

       Yeah, so PRP, to be clear, number one, it's your own blood.

   27. KRKevin Rose16:08

       Yes.

   28. TFTim Ferriss16:08

       Number two, it can be in some instances really, really effective for orthopedic issues.

   29. KRKevin Rose16:15

       Mm-hmm.

   30. TFTim Ferriss16:16

       But there, there's quite a bit of publish- published literature, so you can look it up.
7. 24:48 – 26:50

   Bobby Fingers.

   1. TFTim Ferriss24:48

      So I wanna make a couple of recommendations.

   2. KRKevin Rose24:49

      Yes, please.

   3. TFTim Ferriss24:50

      And then I got something to show you.

   4. KRKevin Rose24:50

      Do you, do you know who Bobby Fingers is?

   5. TFTim Ferriss24:52

      Sounds familiar. [laughs]

   6. KRKevin Rose24:53

      So [laughs] always a safe thing to say.

   7. TFTim Ferriss24:56

      I think I've heard of him.

   8. KRKevin Rose24:57

      Yeah.

   9. TFTim Ferriss24:58

      Tell me more. So Bobby Fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade, and he is one of the most unbelievably skilled artists, craftsman, sculptor, polymaths.

   10. KRKevin Rose25:16

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TFTim Ferriss25:17

       He's also hilarious, and his writ is- writing is incredible. He's a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you've ever seen in your life. So they're like 10 to 30-minute long descriptions of him making something beautiful and then, like, hiding it by burying it somewhere. And there's one of the, let's say, the scene with Michael Jackson where his hair catches on fire.

   12. KRKevin Rose25:40

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. TFTim Ferriss25:40

       And it's him building this entire, entire diorama. There's one of the Mel Gibson DUI stop from way back in the day. [laughs]

   14. KRKevin Rose25:49

       Mm-hmm.

   15. TFTim Ferriss25:49

       And I would say that if you want to see something that I think is pure genius-

   16. KRKevin Rose25:54

       So is this a video or what is this exactly?

   17. TFTim Ferriss25:56

       It is... Yeah, it's a video channel. So if you go to Bobby Fingers, @bobbyfingers on YouTube. You can find him on Patreon as well, patreon.com/bobbyfingers. youtube.com/@bobbyfingers. And this guy should have, in my opinion, hundreds of millions of views.

   18. KRKevin Rose26:13

       What's he at now? Is it, like, big or...?

   19. TFTim Ferriss26:14

       I mean, for what he's doing, I think it is so hard to categorize-

   20. KRKevin Rose26:18

       Yeah

   21. TFTim Ferriss26:18

       ... that it hasn't had as much spread as it deserves.

   22. KRKevin Rose26:22

       195,000 followers, still decent.

   23. TFTim Ferriss26:24

       Oh, he's doing well.

   24. KRKevin Rose26:25

       Yeah.

   25. TFTim Ferriss26:25

       But I really feel a moral, maybe amoral/immoral obligation to recommend people go check this out.

   26. KRKevin Rose26:32

       Oh, this looks amazing.

   27. TFTim Ferriss26:33

       There will be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius and unlike anything I've ever seen in my life. I strongly recommend people check it out. And two of my favorites, there are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or Mel Gibson are a great place to start.

   28. KRKevin Rose26:47

       That's awesome. All right. I will check that out. Have you... Or by

8. 26:50 – 33:30

   Training for the hunt.

   1. KRKevin Rose26:50

      the way, were you doing O- Ozempic in this shot or...?

   2. TFTim Ferriss26:52

      Oh, wow. Look at that.

   3. KRKevin Rose26:53

      [laughs]

   4. TFTim Ferriss26:53

      I'm so glad AI, AI shaved my chest for me, too.

   5. KRKevin Rose26:56

      Yeah. [laughs]

   6. TFTim Ferriss26:57

      I am looking good.

   7. KRKevin Rose26:58

      Dude, that is legit. [laughs]

   8. TFTim Ferriss26:59

      Yeah.

   9. KRKevin Rose27:00

      I mean-

   10. TFTim Ferriss27:00

       That's insane

   11. KRKevin Rose27:00

       ... that's if you were 007.

   12. TFTim Ferriss27:01

       I mean, honestly, what's crazy to me about that-

   13. KRKevin Rose27:04

       Is how much you actually look like that? [laughs]

   14. TFTim Ferriss27:06

       ... how much, how great I look in those Speedos.

   15. KRKevin Rose27:09

       [laughs]

   16. TFTim Ferriss27:09

       But separately is the lighting.

   17. KRKevin Rose27:12

       Yeah.

   18. TFTim Ferriss27:13

       It looks real. It's really... [laughs]

   19. KRKevin Rose27:16

       Makes me wanna go back to the gym. [laughs]

   20. TFTim Ferriss27:17

       I... [laughs] I mean, why go to the gym when I can just put that on?

   21. KRKevin Rose27:19

       Yeah. Exactly.

   22. TFTim Ferriss27:20

       Actually, I've been training, I've been training very hard recently and feeling very good. I'm not taking Ozempic, but I have been using a few different tools that I thought people might find-

   23. KRKevin Rose27:31

       Yeah, let's hear it

   24. TFTim Ferriss27:32

       ... interesting. So one, which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery, Jake Kaminski. I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery, especially recurve. He is amazing, both as, as a performer, proven performer, but as a teacher.

   25. KRKevin Rose27:52

       Mm-hmm.

   26. TFTim Ferriss27:52

       So Jake Kaminski with a bunch of I's, Kaminski. He recommended the Outdoorsman Atlas Trainer Frame System. So what is this? I'll tell you the problem it solves. So I own a bunch of rucking sacks.

   27. KRKevin Rose28:05

       Yes.

   28. TFTim Ferriss28:05

       So these are backpacks-

   29. KRKevin Rose28:06

       I ruck too, all the time

   30. TFTim Ferriss28:06

       ... with weight, with weights in them.
9. 33:30 – 34:05

   Fairbanks fun.

   1. SPSpeaker33:30

      Okay. Sorry, I know you like tequila, but-

   2. TFTim Ferriss33:32

      Oh, yeah. It's all right

   3. SPSpeaker33:32

      ... I had to, to pause.

   4. TFTim Ferriss33:34

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. SPSpeaker33:34

      And, uh, this is called, uh, Fairbanks.

   6. TFTim Ferriss33:38

      Rye, apricot liqueur and thank, thank you, Edison.

   7. KRKevin Rose33:40

      Bitters and rye whiskey.

   8. SPSpeaker33:41

      Sorry.

   9. KRKevin Rose33:41

      Tim has to board a flight after this.

   10. TFTim Ferriss33:42

       [laughs] Here we go.

   11. SPSpeaker33:43

       Fireball shots.

   12. TFTim Ferriss33:44

       Yeah.

   13. KRKevin Rose33:44

       Fireball shots.

   14. TFTim Ferriss33:46

       Cheers, Kevin.

   15. KRKevin Rose33:47

       Mm. Cheers.

   16. SPSpeaker33:48

       I wanna watch the reaction.

   17. KRKevin Rose33:49

       There we go. Reaction shot. This is one of his favorite drinks to make.

   18. TFTim Ferriss33:54

       That's really nice.

   19. SPSpeaker33:56

       I know you said not too sweet. I tried to-

   20. TFTim Ferriss33:58

       It's not too sweet.

   21. KRKevin Rose33:59

       Isn't that good?

   22. TFTim Ferriss34:00

       And it has the fancy ice cubes, too.

   23. SPSpeaker34:01

       It's Spirit Forward, for sure.

   24. TFTim Ferriss34:02

       Yeah. Spirit Forward. That's in my, uh, dating bio.

10. 34:05 – 35:42

    European dating.

    1. TFTim Ferriss34:05

       [laughs]

    2. KRKevin Rose34:06

       [laughs] Exactly. Uh, so Paris for the-

    3. TFTim Ferriss34:10

       Oh my God [laughs]

    4. KRKevin Rose34:11

       Well, hold on, just tell me. Tell me what they l- uh, 'cause they're, they got a good fashion sense out there.

    5. TFTim Ferriss34:14

       Well, you know, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe, was how does dating differ in different places in Europe?

    6. KRKevin Rose34:21

       They're a little softer out there, though. You let them pass you a little.

    7. TFTim Ferriss34:22

       Uh, no, not necessarily.

    8. KRKevin Rose34:23

       Really?

    9. TFTim Ferriss34:23

       Not necessarily. No. So it varies tremendously by country, I would say. And of course, there's a huge range within each country.

    10. KRKevin Rose34:29

        Mm-hmm.

    11. TFTim Ferriss34:29

        But say in dating in France is very different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating in, in other places. It really varies-

    12. KRKevin Rose34:38

        Hmm

    13. TFTim Ferriss34:38

        ... uh, tremendously. But, you know, part of what I'm hoping for is finding someone, and these, these women exist, but a lot of women, understandably for a million reasons, feel very conflicted and are put in, I think, a difficult position, frankly, when thinking about career, kids-

    14. KRKevin Rose34:56

        It's so hard

    15. TFTim Ferriss34:56

        ... basically trying to do more than any person in history had to do-

    16. KRKevin Rose35:02

        Yes

    17. TFTim Ferriss35:03

        ... like before 50 years ago.

    18. KRKevin Rose35:04

        All right, let's not go by the back end of this. We, we can-

    19. TFTim Ferriss35:05

        No, I'm just saying that-

    20. KRKevin Rose35:06

        No, I, I hear what you're saying, though.

    21. TFTim Ferriss35:07

        Yeah, it gets very challenging.

    22. KRKevin Rose35:08

        I mean-

    23. TFTim Ferriss35:08

        So what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom in the same way-

    24. KRKevin Rose35:14

        Yes

    25. TFTim Ferriss35:14

        ... that I'm excited to be a dad, and that it's not, "Well, all my friends are getting married. I guess this is what you do."

    26. KRKevin Rose35:20

        Right.

    27. TFTim Ferriss35:20

        "Even though I'm gonna make all these compromises and might resent it later." I don't want to subject a kid to that-

    28. KRKevin Rose35:26

        Yes

    29. TFTim Ferriss35:26

        ... potential risk, right?

    30. KRKevin Rose35:28

        That's wise of you.
11. 35:42 – 39:52

    Hasty oral hygiene with Feno.

    1. TFTim Ferriss35:42

       differences from place to place.

    2. KRKevin Rose35:43

       Yeah. All right. So I have a gift for you.

    3. TFTim Ferriss35:45

       I have a gift. That's so kind of you. Oh, wow.

    4. KRKevin Rose35:47

       This is called Feno.

    5. TFTim Ferriss35:49

       Oh my gosh.

    6. KRKevin Rose35:49

       This is, this is my buddy's new startup.

    7. TFTim Ferriss35:51

       Okay.

    8. KRKevin Rose35:52

       And in the-

    9. TFTim Ferriss35:53

       Thank you

    10. KRKevin Rose35:53

        ... self-experimenting, kinda crazy vein of things-

    11. TFTim Ferriss35:56

        All right

    12. KRKevin Rose35:56

        ... I wanna show you this. Now-

    13. TFTim Ferriss35:57

        Feno. F-E-N-O.

    14. KRKevin Rose35:58

        Yeah. So this is, [laughs] okay, this is a beta.

    15. TFTim Ferriss36:01

        Yeah. [laughs]

    16. KRKevin Rose36:01

        Okay? So y- you can't laugh at me 'cause remember, you're gonna be doing this by yourself, okay?

    17. TFTim Ferriss36:05

        Oh, gosh.

    18. KRKevin Rose36:05

        This is not like a Fleshlight or anything. [laughs]

    19. TFTim Ferriss36:08

        Oh, gosh. [laughs]

    20. KRKevin Rose36:08

        Okay.

    21. TFTim Ferriss36:09

        What the fuck is this? [laughs]

    22. KRKevin Rose36:11

        So this is a medically proven way to brush your-

    23. TFTim Ferriss36:14

        Oh

    24. KRKevin Rose36:14

        ... entire mouth in 20 seconds.

    25. TFTim Ferriss36:16

        Wow, okay.

    26. KRKevin Rose36:17

        So it, it just-

    27. TFTim Ferriss36:18

        All right, that's interesting

    28. KRKevin Rose36:19

        ... so watch this.

    29. TFTim Ferriss36:19

        Oh, wow. You're gonna try it.

    30. KRKevin Rose36:20

        Yeah. I'll take a little of this here. You put all those foam in here Yeah And so there's this, they have this little app that custom creates a mold. I estimated it mouth size You didn't buy this from an ad on Pornhub? No. [laughs] So this is gonna look a little, um- [laughs] ... mouth, uh, aggressive. [laughs] Okay? So if you're watching the video- Spirit forward mouth aggressive ... spirit forward mouth aggressive mouth- That's also my bio. Exactly. So what you do is that the, this was created by a couple founders that, you know, obviously were, one of them was a dentist, and they figured out that, you know, compliance is really hard with, with, with people. Say they, everyone says they floss. They don't. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, like I do, but do you floss? Oh, like seven times a day. [laughs] So, so I put this in my mouth, and this is gonna wrap around both sides of my gums. How are you, how are you gonna, how are you gonna rinse that? I don't know. All right, let's see it. Let's see it. This is gonna be good. Uh, hello. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm, mm. [laughs] Mm. [laughs] [laughs] [laughs] Oh, God. I couldn't stop it. [laughs] Okay. Holy shit. Now, I know what you're thinking. That- [laughs] You definitely bought that on Pornhub. No, I did not. [laughs] No, I did not, but it works surprisingly well. [laughs] I'll try it. I got one for you. It, it's- Thank you ... I gotta say that I, I do love, it has sensors in there. [laughs] I know, I know. I bet it does. You're doing it by yourself, so you don't- [laughs] ... it's like you're getting mouth raped every time you do it. Yeah, I, I can see you winking. I can see you winking. Exactly. [laughs] It is aggressive, but I will say that- Aggressive, aggressive, but- ... it, it is very, it does a very good job cleaning. Aggressive but effective. Aggressive but effective, and it's, it's 20 seconds, which is great. [laughs] They have sensors that actually scan your gums, look at gum health, and can send it back to your doctor. What? On that device? So it can tell you, on the device, built into the device. Okay. So that your doctor can actually see recession- Oh ... and, like, things that are happening with your gums. So it's, like, a very tech-forward device. Yeah. It's crazy. You know, I had my first real surgery was when I was a kid for receding gin- gingiva. I actually had a huge piece of my upper, well, I guess it's your only, palate removed and grafted- Holy shit ... onto my lower gums. For what? Like, sugar and shit? Like, what were you doing? No, no, it's just genetic. Like, my, my gums- Oh, crazy ... were receding when I was a kid. It was, I don't know how old I was, maybe 12, something like that. It was brutal. That's the first time I've ever, uh, uh, done that. Vigorous. Yeah, yeah. It's, it, it's like, it's like a- [laughs] I'm so- It stretched ... upset that I did not video that from this direction. We've gotta get going here. Oh, right. We got that camera right there. [laughs] Oh, oh, that's the slow-mo. We need that in slow-mo- Oh, yeah ... as the intro to the episode. [laughs] Listen, hey, you know what's funny is, like, when I was putting together these stories for the random show, I'm like, I love, if you look back historically at all the years we've been doing this episode- Yeah ... we've had some of the most craziest, stupidest shit- Yeah ... and talked about the dumbest stuff. I mean, we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid [laughs] at my, my body. That's true. That's true. Like, we've done some weird shit, and so I always try and like to find stuff. Yeah. I mean, this is, like, both cool and, and also- Every once in a while, one of those things, five years later. Yeah. Look at that. It's everywhere. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Remember, dude, I talked about Ethereum for the first time on this show before it launched. I do. When was that? That was, God, that was a long time ago. Dude, there- That was when I was s- still living in my first place in San Francisco. I watched the clip, and I'm like, "Oh, there's this one cryptocurrency, uh, usually they don't care about." Yeah. And you're like, "No, no, no, tell me, tell me." And I'm like, "Well, it hasn't launched yet." And you're like, "What is it?" I'm like, "Well, it's called Ethereum." When was that? That was, like, 20-fu- It had to be like- I'm gonna have to go back and look, check YouTube right now ... yeah, 2014 or something. I mean, it was way back then. Yeah. It was way back then. It was crazy some of the stuff we were saying. I remember exactly

12. 39:52 – 41:30

    The mysteries of mimetic contagion.

    1. KRKevin Rose39:52

       where we were sitting, by the fireplace in my first rental in San Francisco. It was a cool spot. Yeah. All right, your turn. What do you got? My, my turn. I would say that I can't say too much about it. You're gonna hate that, but- Oh, yeah, we never asked what your book was about, but anyway. I can't really, so I have- I know you've never talked about that shit ... I'll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it. I, as well as a handful of other authors I know really well- Mm-hmm ... who've written a lot of books, feel like there is such a thing as, like, let's call it memetic release. S- And what I mean by that is I think it's fairly frequently observed that you'll have some in, as an example, intractable scientific problem, or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with. Mm-hmm. And there's almost no apparent major progress made for years and years and years, and then within the same two-week period, people in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs. What is happening there, right? And what I have observed, and again, this is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking, but I can't explain it, doesn't mean there isn't an explanation. When people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places. Hm. Now, you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias, right? If you buy a Hyundai- It's a red Hyundai, all you see is red Hyundais ... then you see, then you, all you see is red Hyundais, right? Yeah. So there could be an element of that. But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why I don't talk about, like, the key core concepts in a book before I release something.

13. 41:30 – 42:21

    Big book beginnings.

    1. KRKevin Rose41:31

       But I will say in terms of progress, in case w- anybody's wondering, have probably 5 to 600 pages drafted. Oh, shit. It's a big book. Got a lot. Yeah, I mean, all my books are phone books. And that is gonna g- cut down probably. Well, actually, it's probably gonna get to, like, 800, and then it'll get cut down to, like, 500 or 400. Did you use any AI in crafting this? I did not. Nothing? Not, not yet. Okay. Not yet. Will, will you apply that to some of the chapters and say- I might, I might apply it- ... "Okay, is there a better way to say this?" I might apply it in combination with test readers looking for gaps in the material. Basically use AI as a critic. Right. And try to find gaps that would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way. I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a, I created a custom ChatGPT- And I uploaded ...

14. 42:21 – 43:34

    Kevin's AI-powered investment advisor experiment.

    1. KRKevin Rose42:21

       I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay?

    2. TFTim Ferriss42:28

       Okay.

    3. KRKevin Rose42:28

       The Intelligent Investor, like all these, right?

    4. TFTim Ferriss42:30

       Yeah.

    5. KRKevin Rose42:30

       And I found the PDFs from them all. They're, 'cause they're like, you can just Google them, they're there.

    6. TFTim Ferriss42:33

       Yeah.

    7. KRKevin Rose42:33

       And I uploaded them all to the ChatGPT.

    8. TFTim Ferriss42:36

       All right.

    9. KRKevin Rose42:36

       And I said, "You're my investment advisor."

    10. TFTim Ferriss42:38

        Okay.

    11. KRKevin Rose42:38

        "What should I do in this particular situation?"

    12. TFTim Ferriss42:41

        Huh.

    13. KRKevin Rose42:41

        And I'm asking questions of this custom saved ChatGPT based on all of Buffett's favorite books.

    14. TFTim Ferriss42:46

        Uh-huh.

    15. KRKevin Rose42:46

        It's freaking fascinating, dude.

    16. TFTim Ferriss42:47

        You know what you could probably also do is take all of his annual letters-

    17. KRKevin Rose42:50

        Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. I have that. There's a book-

    18. TFTim Ferriss42:52

        Yeah

    19. KRKevin Rose42:52

        ... about his annual letters-

    20. TFTim Ferriss42:53

        Oh, yeah

    21. KRKevin Rose42:53

        ... that I uploaded into it.

    22. TFTim Ferriss42:53

        Yeah, the g- the green cover.

    23. KRKevin Rose42:54

        Yeah, they're in there.

    24. TFTim Ferriss42:55

        Yeah, yeah.

    25. KRKevin Rose42:56

        So-

    26. TFTim Ferriss42:56

        Okay, that's-

    27. KRKevin Rose42:57

        It's so cool

    28. TFTim Ferriss42:57

        ... and so, so what happened?

    29. KRKevin Rose42:58

        Well, I just got some insights, like I was asking, like-

    30. TFTim Ferriss43:00

        [laughs] Buy, buy low, buy low, sell high. [laughs]
15. 43:34 – 44:28

    Publishing strategies.

    1. KRKevin Rose43:34

       so cool.

    2. TFTim Ferriss43:34

       Yeah, it's amazing.

    3. KRKevin Rose43:35

       It's really cool. Anyway, I'm excited for your book. When, when will it launch, though? When, when are we talking? I mean, you're 500-

    4. TFTim Ferriss43:41

       So-

    5. KRKevin Rose43:41

       ... 600 pages in

    6. TFTim Ferriss43:42

       ... I've been thinking about a few different options. One is doing it the way that I have done it in the past, which is to release it all at once as a book launch. There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that, no matter what.

    7. KRKevin Rose43:57

       Traditional publisher? 'Cause before you did Amazon once.

    8. TFTim Ferriss43:59

       I think-

    9. KRKevin Rose44:00

       You did-

    10. TFTim Ferriss44:00

        Well, I did Amazon Publishing, which at that time you could consider a traditional publisher.

    11. KRKevin Rose44:05

        Yeah.

    12. TFTim Ferriss44:05

        So in structure it was very similar.

    13. KRKevin Rose44:06

        Right, right.

    14. TFTim Ferriss44:06

        They just had the distribution advantage-

    15. KRKevin Rose44:08

        Yeah

    16. TFTim Ferriss44:08

        ... of being Amazon. This time around, we'll see. I mean, I could very easily see doing e-book, audio on my own or through s- an Amazon platform.

    17. KRKevin Rose44:18

        Interesting.

    18. TFTim Ferriss44:19

        And then possibly doing a print only deal, or doing print on demand, frankly.

    19. KRKevin Rose44:23

        Yeah.

    20. TFTim Ferriss44:23

        Like the quality of print on demand has improved so much.

    21. KRKevin Rose44:25

        It's insane, yes.

    22. TFTim Ferriss44:26

        It's absolutely

16. 44:28 – 45:57

    Why you should visit Ryan Holiday's bookstore.

    1. TFTim Ferriss44:28

       perfectly sufficient.

    2. KRKevin Rose44:28

       Dude, I was at Ryan Holiday's ... I went to his bookstore outside of Austin, which is amazing.

    3. TFTim Ferriss44:33

       Painted Porch.

    4. KRKevin Rose44:34

       Oh, God.

    5. TFTim Ferriss44:34

       It's a great, great bookstore.

    6. KRKevin Rose44:35

       He has the best bookstore.

    7. TFTim Ferriss44:36

       Yeah.

    8. KRKevin Rose44:36

       What a life.

    9. TFTim Ferriss44:37

       Yeah.

    10. KRKevin Rose44:37

        I, I love him. He's such a good dude. I went to his bookstore and-

    11. TFTim Ferriss44:40

        It's such a beautifully curated art project-

    12. KRKevin Rose44:44

        Yes

    13. TFTim Ferriss44:44

        ... that is driven by him.

    14. KRKevin Rose44:46

        Yes.

    15. TFTim Ferriss44:47

        If you wanna see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit Painted Porch.

    16. KRKevin Rose44:54

        Yeah. And it's like about a half hour to 40-minute drive outside of Austin.

    17. TFTim Ferriss44:57

        Mm-hmm.

    18. KRKevin Rose44:58

        He's got cats walking around there. It's all of his f- favorite books. You know, he's-

    19. TFTim Ferriss45:02

        He even has cats.

    20. KRKevin Rose45:03

        Yeah.

    21. TFTim Ferriss45:03

        [laughs]

    22. KRKevin Rose45:03

        There, there's, there are even cats for the cat lovers. The s- thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher end versions of his books.

    23. TFTim Ferriss45:11

        Yeah.

    24. KRKevin Rose45:11

        Like leather bound, like super high-end versions-

    25. TFTim Ferriss45:14

        Yeah

    26. KRKevin Rose45:14

        ... that he had done that were just insane quality.

    27. TFTim Ferriss45:17

        Yeah, beautiful.

    28. KRKevin Rose45:18

        Like, and tho- those are kind of like as you need them, like kind of like-

    29. TFTim Ferriss45:20

        Yeah

    30. KRKevin Rose45:20

        ... on demand, you know? It's amazing.
17. 45:57 – 47:27

    The Dog Aging Project.

    1. TFTim Ferriss45:57

       his bookstore is called The Painted Porch.

    2. KRKevin Rose45:58

       That's amazing.

    3. TFTim Ferriss45:58

       Yeah.

    4. KRKevin Rose45:59

       We got 14-year-old Toaster, almost 15 here-

    5. TFTim Ferriss46:01

       Ah, I know

    6. KRKevin Rose46:01

       ... coming to visit us.

    7. TFTim Ferriss46:02

       You were saying he's, he's totally deaf, but he still-

    8. KRKevin Rose46:04

       He's totally deaf

    9. TFTim Ferriss46:04

       ... he still remembers me. Came up to lick my face.

    10. KRKevin Rose46:06

        You know, you know, he did, he's done courses r- of rapamycin.

    11. TFTim Ferriss46:09

        Oh, yeah?

    12. KRKevin Rose46:09

        Yeah, so h- I put him on it a few years ago.

    13. TFTim Ferriss46:12

        And?

    14. KRKevin Rose46:12

        And it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him?

    15. TFTim Ferriss46:14

        Yeah.

    16. KRKevin Rose46:14

        He's moving around great.

    17. TFTim Ferriss46:15

        Man.

    18. KRKevin Rose46:15

        He's almost 14.

    19. TFTim Ferriss46:16

        I know. This brings back so many memories. I mean, back way, way back in the day, I'm looking at Daria. Hi, Daria. Uh, I remember recording on your couch. This was back still in Dig, Dig days.

    20. KRKevin Rose46:28

        Yeah.

    21. TFTim Ferriss46:29

        And, and Toaster was a little pupper, and he was chewing on the XLR cables-

    22. KRKevin Rose46:33

        Right, right

    23. TFTim Ferriss46:33

        ... and almost killed our podcast and killed himself.

    24. KRKevin Rose46:36

        Yes.

    25. TFTim Ferriss46:37

        And here he is all these years later, wagging his tail.

    26. KRKevin Rose46:39

        Yeah, I, I caught him like halfway through one time a, an actual full like voltage cable on the wall.

    27. TFTim Ferriss46:46

        [laughs] Come on.

    28. KRKevin Rose46:46

        And it just like, yeah, it was, it was horrible.

    29. TFTim Ferriss46:48

        So rapamycin we've probably talked about before, but people can check out, I'm not sure what its current status is, but The Dog Aging Project. I did a podcast with Matt Kaeberlein.

    30. KRKevin Rose46:55

        Yeah. University of Washington. You and I both-
18. 47:27 – 50:19

    Original Love: Zen master Henry Shukman's new app and Kevin's Zen Hell week.

    1. KRKevin Rose47:27

       book, who is my Zen master. Gotta give him a plug.

    2. TFTim Ferriss47:29

       Yeah.

    3. KRKevin Rose47:29

       He's such an awesome human being.

    4. TFTim Ferriss47:30

       He's a great guy.

    5. KRKevin Rose47:31

       And his app, The Way, fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in. Always wanna give Henry some love because he's such a good, good soul.

    6. TFTim Ferriss47:38

       So you, you-

    7. KRKevin Rose47:39

       And his, the book is fantastic

    8. TFTim Ferriss47:39

       ... you did some ex- ... So that's called Original Love?

    9. KRKevin Rose47:41

       Original Love, yeah.

    10. TFTim Ferriss47:42

        All right. You did some training recently.

    11. KRKevin Rose47:45

        Yeah.

    12. TFTim Ferriss47:45

        And you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule.

    13. KRKevin Rose47:48

        Yes.

    14. TFTim Ferriss47:48

        What did your daily schedule look like, and how long did it last?

    15. KRKevin Rose47:50

        So I went to a five-day silent meditation retreat with his master, who is the head of the Zen sect out of Japan flew in for this, into Santa Fe, New Mexico. And so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do, I've done a seven-day silent retreat with him in the past, if it's just Mountain Cloud Zen Center, which is his Zen center, it's probably four hours of sitting a day, and then there's like, you know, walking meditation and a stretching thing. Like, when the Zen master's there, like when the, the guy from Japan's there, like it's like legit. Like you're-

    16. TFTim Ferriss48:22

        Hell week.

    17. KRKevin Rose48:23

        It's, it's hell week for meditation.

    18. TFTim Ferriss48:24

        [laughs]

    19. KRKevin Rose48:25

        So I was up at 5:00 AM every morning, and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like 8:30, and I was sitting for most of the day.

    20. TFTim Ferriss48:31

        So one thing I wanted to ask you about [laughs] 'cause I saw it in there, there's a lot of sitting meditation. I'm like, "Okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day."

    21. KRKevin Rose48:39

        Yeah.

    22. TFTim Ferriss48:39

        Which, you know, I tried once. People who wanna read about my like complete implo-

    23. KRKevin Rose48:43

        You were also doing mushrooms at the same time

    24. TFTim Ferriss48:44

        ... and fasting for like six days. Yeah, if people wanna read about my self-inflicted implosion, that's in a separate interview. [laughs] But The chanting before mealtime?

    25. KRKevin Rose48:54

        Yeah.

    26. TFTim Ferriss48:54

        What's the story here?

    27. KRKevin Rose48:56

        In Zen, the traditional monasteries and, and whatnot where they have actual monks, there is a lot of ... It's, it's only, like, 10 minutes.

    28. TFTim Ferriss49:03

        Yeah.

    29. KRKevin Rose49:03

        It's just kind of-

    30. TFTim Ferriss49:04

        Only
19. 50:19 – 59:47

    Dena Dubal's Alzheimer's treatment breakthrough.

    1. TFTim Ferriss50:19

       do crazy.

    2. KRKevin Rose50:19

       Okay. Crazy is that-

    3. TFTim Ferriss50:20

       We can cut it out if you can't, but, like, are, are you allowed to talk about klotho yet?

    4. KRKevin Rose50:23

       Yeah. I mean, so Peter Attia did a fantastic episode, which we both w- I would say would highly recommend-

    5. TFTim Ferriss50:29

       Yeah. 100%

    6. KRKevin Rose50:29

       ... with Dena, who is a fantastic researcher out of UCSF. She has identified a compound called klotho, which is just absolutely insane.

    7. TFTim Ferriss50:38

       Yeah. So in fairness, it was identified by a Japanese researcher.

    8. KRKevin Rose50:41

       Sorry, sorry. My bad, my bad.

    9. TFTim Ferriss50:42

       Who-

    10. KRKevin Rose50:42

        She, but she's spent a good part of her career w-

    11. TFTim Ferriss50:44

        She is one of the-

    12. KRKevin Rose50:45

        Yeah

    13. TFTim Ferriss50:45

        ... foremost experts in the world.

    14. KRKevin Rose50:46

        Yes.

    15. TFTim Ferriss50:46

        For sure.

    16. KRKevin Rose50:46

        Yeah. So she did an episode with Attia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half, and it is ... I mean, do you, do you have the, the kinda stats in front of you? I can, I can ballpark it if you want.

    17. TFTim Ferriss50:57

        Why don't you ballpark it?

    18. KRKevin Rose50:58

        So to ballpark it in my understanding is that ... So klotho, just so people know, is a, it's naturally produced in humans.

    19. TFTim Ferriss51:04

        Mm-hmm.

    20. KRKevin Rose51:05

        Uh, especially under high-intensity kind of interval exercise.

    21. TFTim Ferriss51:08

        Mm-hmm.

    22. KRKevin Rose51:08

        So you get more natural level of this. We all have it in our blood right now.

    23. TFTim Ferriss51:11

        Mm-hmm.

    24. KRKevin Rose51:11

        As you age, you get less of it.

    25. TFTim Ferriss51:13

        Mm-hmm.

    26. KRKevin Rose51:13

        Okay? So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people, uh, that have the, there's two genes. They're these, uh, genetic polymorphisms, and if you are an overproducer, if you have these SNPs where you're an overproducer, meaning you naturally produce more of this klotho, you just get dramatically less dementia risk.

    27. TFTim Ferriss51:30

        Mm-hmm.

    28. KRKevin Rose51:31

        And even if, uh, the, the very famous gene out there is the ApoE, ApoE, ApoE3, ApoE4 genes, whereas if you are a four carrier, meaning, like, most people are 3.3, if you're a, a 3.4, you're, like, something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's. If you're a 4.4, you're kinda fucked. It's, like, 80% of people get Alzheimer's-

    29. TFTim Ferriss51:49

        Yeah

    30. KRKevin Rose51:49

        ... or something like that. If you have one of these SNPs and you are way more likely to get it, but you're also an overproducer of klotho, it evens out the playing field.
20. 59:47 – 1:15:55

    Small expectations for a medium turn large.

    1. KRKevin Rose59:47

       I got more crazy ones, but- Bring some crazy. Bring me crazy. So I talked to my dead dad- [laughs] ... via a medium. [laughs] Okay. All right. Didn't see that coming. Yeah, yeah. [laughs] It was on my list of stories to talk about. All right. Yeah. Tell me. So my tattoo artist was out here, and she was like, "Hey, there's this crazy shit that happened to me." I'm like, "What's up?" And she's like, "I tattooed this woman that was a medium, and she gifted me a free session." Mm-hmm. And I'm like, and I'm like, "Was it crazy?" And she's like, "You have no idea." She's like, "Okay, a bunch of people..." It's so cute that Tinsel's coming and saying hi to you. My dogs just keep coming to say hi to me. He definitely missed you. Aw. So, you know, I'm the biggest skeptic on this shit. Yeah. Like I, I, I take this as like entertainment value, right? Yeah. And so she was like, "No, you don't understand. Someone," I don't want to get into her personal details, but someone that was not directly related to her, but one step removed- Mm-hmm ... like, uh, of her immediate family, had been shot and killed. Oh. This person came in and said, "Listen, I had been..." And she, this is not Googleable. You couldn't have found this anywhere. Was like, "I am the person that was sh- shot in this particular location at this particular spot." Like, crazy scary. Like, really accurate.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:00:57

       Mm-hmm.

    3. KRKevin Rose1:00:58

       And I was like, "Oh my God." Like, and she kept going, and I'm not gonna go into her personal details, but like enough to where I was like, "Give me the number." Like ... You know, I wanna like book this $150 session, right?

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:01:08

       Yeah.

    5. KRKevin Rose1:01:08

       It's 100, 150. And so I book it, and it's early, 'cause she's like back East. And so I'm, I get up at 7:00 AM, like barely had my coffee, and there's like, she goes, "Oh my God." She goes, "There is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you." And I'm like, "Okay." And she's like-

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:01:25

       Wait, this is what the medium said?

    7. KRKevin Rose1:01:26

       Medium said, yeah.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:01:26

       Okay.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:01:26

       We were on Zoom.

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:01:27

        All right.

    11. KRKevin Rose1:01:28

        And I'm like, "Okay."

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:01:29

        He's got a, he's got a startup in-

    13. KRKevin Rose1:01:31

        In place

    14. TFTim Ferriss1:01:31

        ... dog cosmetics.

    15. KRKevin Rose1:01:32

        Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

    16. TFTim Ferriss1:01:34

        [laughs]

    17. KRKevin Rose1:01:35

        They wanna pitch you. It's like, it's a great pre-money valuation. They only want a million dollars. Like, if the dog cosmetics are, it's gonna boom. You watch. It's, uh, so, uh, it's the next AI. I'm like, okay, I'm very Googleable. You know, like-

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:01:48

        Yeah

    19. KRKevin Rose1:01:48

        ... I am aware of that, right? And like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that. And she's like, "The, it's a man. You know, he, he passed from some, like, heart tension." And my dad died of a heart, uh, stroke. And I'm like, "Well, okay. Well, you can Google that," you know?

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:02:04

        Yeah, yeah.

    21. KRKevin Rose1:02:04

        And, and then she's like describing all kinds of stuff, and even including like a fight with my mom the night before. Little tiny bits. So my sister did it too, and we didn't tell them we were related, 'cause my sister has a different last name.

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:02:20

        Oh, nice.

    23. KRKevin Rose1:02:20

        And so with my sister it was like, "Oh, he's good with numbers. He was an accountant." And, and he was just like saying that, you know, he kept saying the number three. Is there, is there... And she's like, "Is there a third sibling?" And I've never t- told anybody this, but I have a half-sister-

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:02:35

        Oh

    25. KRKevin Rose1:02:35

        ... that I didn't know about.

    26. TFTim Ferriss1:02:36

        Huh.

    27. KRKevin Rose1:02:36

        That's never been on the internet.

    28. TFTim Ferriss1:02:38

        Yeah.

    29. KRKevin Rose1:02:38

        And I was like, I started sobbing, dude, immediately.

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:02:41

        Yeah.
21. 1:15:55 – 1:23:30

    Unmissable media recommendations.

    1. KRKevin Rose1:15:55

       bit.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:15:55

       Here we go. [laughs]

    3. KRKevin Rose1:15:56

       Here we, what is this?

    4. SPSpeaker1:15:57

       So this is-

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:15:58

       Sent some egg whites?

    6. SPSpeaker1:15:59

       So unfortunately, yeah, egg whites, egg whites. I got you.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:16:02

       Oh, thank you, thank you.

    8. SPSpeaker1:16:03

       Um, it's apricot liqueur again. Apologize, but-

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:16:05

       Ooh, I like this little, this, this little closed bill. It's very nice.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:16:09

        The, the, uh-

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:16:09

        Uh, Kevin!

    12. KRKevin Rose1:16:10

        Sorry, sorry, Tim.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:16:10

        Etiquette.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:16:10

        Please, please, please, please.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:16:11

        Must be some, some decorum. [laughs]

    16. KRKevin Rose1:16:13

        Sorry.

    17. SPSpeaker1:16:14

        Um, lemon juice, bitters, and then, uh, your world famous, uh, tequila there.

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:16:20

        Oh, yeah.

    19. KRKevin Rose1:16:20

        Oh, nice. That's not the tequila.

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:16:21

        Oh, yeah.

    21. KRKevin Rose1:16:21

        That's the LaCroix.

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:16:22

        The La- LaLa.

    23. KRKevin Rose1:16:22

        It's my water.

    24. SPSpeaker1:16:23

        Yeah, yeah.

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:16:23

        Yeah.

    26. SPSpeaker1:16:24

        Egg whites.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:16:24

        Egg whites.

    28. KRKevin Rose1:16:25

        Egg whites, okay.

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:16:25

        And Salvia.

    30. SPSpeaker1:16:26

        It's basically eggnog.
22. 1:23:30 – 1:32:41

    Taking ketamine seriously.

    1. KRKevin Rose1:23:30

       So I'm taking a lot of risk here- Ooh ... in that, um- Tantalizing ... speaking about podcasts that, uh, we don't wanna do what everybody else is doing, you know? Mm-hmm. One of the things that was a, a, a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry's passing away from ketamine overdose- Mm ... or coming unconscious and then drowning in, in, in the pool. Yeah. A lot of data came out recently. Did you see that? Yeah, I did. The story. Mm-hmm. It was, like, really horrible, like these doctors were conspiring to, like, give him as much as he wanted and, like- Yeah ... injecting him with what would be considered to be- Like, a general anesthesia dose ... yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. Enough to put you out, right? Yeah. And, like, obviously you don't wanna fall asleep- Doesn't mix with water ... in the hot tub, right? [laughs] Doesn't, doesn't mix with water. Yeah. So the thing that bummed me out about that is that, uh, you know, we talked about this before about my treatment, like, six months ago, and I feel fantastic after that treatment, but the thing that bummed me out is that- Meaning intravenous. Was it intravenous or intramuscular? I did ... Intravenous, yeah. Inter- yeah. Yeah. It's the IV ketamine treatment. Yeah. So I, I did it, you know, I did the, the six sessions, and I was, uh, going through a really hard startup and, like, I, you know, feel as, as good as ever, which is great. Since then, when we did that podcast- Mm-hmm ... I've had, and I can't say on, on, on camera, but I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built- Mm-hmm ... that would be a shock to the world, that hit me up and was like, "I did this, and it changed my life." Mm-hmm. And they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering. Uh, that person m- in particular was having some depression, things of that nature- Mm-hmm ... that was just ... Treatment-resistant depression was what they call it. Colleague of mine hit me up and was like, "I have suicidal thoughts. I'm not gonna kill myself, but I hate that I have them every day." Yeah. You know? Also a scary message to get. Yeah

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:25:11

       Right?

    3. KRKevin Rose1:25:11

       And, and, but, but she went and did five treatments and is now in full remission.

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:25:16

       Yeah.

    5. KRKevin Rose1:25:17

       And I was like, this is amazing. And it kills me that, I mean, obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use. I'm not disputing that at all.

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:25:27

       Yeah.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:25:27

       And it's being used in clubs, it's being used all over the place as a dissociative. And like I, I get that it's really bad. But I wanted to go out and say, if I'm gonna do a different podcast on this, I wanna have in an expert, which I brought my doctor in. Her, her name's Dr. Jen. She is a Princeton-trained doctor.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:25:43

       Not a chiropractor.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:25:44

       And not a chiropractor.

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:25:45

        [laughs]

    11. KRKevin Rose1:25:46

        Uh, um, e-

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:25:47

        No offense to chiropractors-

    13. KRKevin Rose1:25:47

        Yeah

    14. TFTim Ferriss1:25:47

        ... but they tend to do the Dr. Bob, Dr.-

    15. KRKevin Rose1:25:49

        Dr. Jen [laughs]

    16. TFTim Ferriss1:25:49

        ... Jack, Dr. Jen thing.

    17. KRKevin Rose1:25:51

        Yeah, you don't want a chiropractor doing this. But she's a, she's been an ER room doctor for, like, 15 years.

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:25:55

        Now I feel like a dick, I have to say. Like, there are some great chiropractors out there-

    19. KRKevin Rose1:25:59

        Oh, great

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:25:59

        ... who I work with.

    21. KRKevin Rose1:26:00

        But-

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:26:00

        But you don't want them running your ketamine clinic.

    23. KRKevin Rose1:26:01

        Right. Exactly.

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:26:02

        Yeah.

    25. KRKevin Rose1:26:02

        And she gets into that, and she unders- she's like, "This is why, like, we need to take this seriously," right? And so we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view, talking about the neuroplasticity, talking about her outcomes that she's witnessed, blah, blah. But the crazy thing that I added onto this, and this is coming out in like a week or so, is that I actually said, "Okay, I will go in to demystify this."

    26. TFTim Ferriss1:26:25

        [laughs]

    27. KRKevin Rose1:26:25

        And I went into the clinic, and I did intramuscular, which is, is just a shot in the arm.

    28. TFTim Ferriss1:26:31

        Yeah, it's like riding a rocket ship.

    29. KRKevin Rose1:26:33

        And I tr- I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings-

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:26:36

        [laughs]
23. 1:32:41 – 1:37:09

    What's the Flux?

    1. SPSpeaker1:32:41

       like, just what happened last week or two weeks ago-

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:32:43

       W-

    3. SPSpeaker1:32:43

       ... with, like, Flux, the, and the model?

    4. KRKevin Rose1:32:45

       Well, I didn't mention Flux. So there, there was a new model-

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:32:47

       All right

    6. KRKevin Rose1:32:47

       ... that came out.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:32:48

       Addison, you get to do the cheers. What should we cheers to?

    8. SPSpeaker1:32:50

       To our girlfriends and our wives-

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:32:53

       Oof

    10. SPSpeaker1:32:53

        ... may they never meet.

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:32:54

        [laughs]

    12. KRKevin Rose1:32:54

        [laughs] To our, to our girlfriends and our wives, may they never meet, is what Addison says.

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:32:59

        [laughs] Right. All right.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:33:00

        Yeah, future tense for me. But, you know, a boy can dream.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:33:03

        All right.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:33:03

        So just to give the, the roundout of the 30 seconds, Addison, you switched to a new model called Flux.

    17. SPSpeaker1:33:08

        Yeah.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:33:08

        Which-

    19. SPSpeaker1:33:08

        Everyone knows about it, like, in, like, that's deep in the AI space.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:33:11

        Yeah, this is the new AI shit.

    21. SPSpeaker1:33:13

        S- what's, what's really crazy is, so you guys brought up, um-

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:33:16

        Should we, should we get him a mic?

    23. KRKevin Rose1:33:18

        Yeah, yeah. Here, talk into this mic. K- kneel down for a sec.

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:33:20

        [laughs] Take a, take a knee.

    25. KRKevin Rose1:33:22

        Just, just tell us about Flux, because the pictures of Tim are insane. Tell, why are they better now than they were three months ago?

    26. SPSpeaker1:33:27

        S- sure. Well, it's the, like, you guys originally brought up a prompt tent, like, maybe two years ago now, or maybe a year and a half ago. It was, like, on, like, in December.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:33:35

        Mm-hmm.

    28. SPSpeaker1:33:36

        Of 2020-

    29. TFTim Ferriss1:33:36

        [laughs]

    30. SPSpeaker1:33:37

        2020... You look good.
24. 1:37:09 – 1:38:24

    A children's book for adults.

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:37:09

       mention a few things. There's a children's book for adults.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:37:12

       [laughs] Children's.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:37:14

       You all right?

    4. KRKevin Rose1:37:14

       You said children's.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:37:16

       Children's.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:37:16

       Okay.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:37:16

       Yeah, a children's. Children, apostrophe S. A children's.

    8. KRKevin Rose1:37:20

       Children's.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:37:21

       Yes.

    10. KRKevin Rose1:37:22

        Okay. [laughs]

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:37:23

        Maybe it's Long Island coming out. I don't know.

    12. KRKevin Rose1:37:25

        [laughs]

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:37:25

        I think that's how you say it.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:37:26

        It's called the Tequila coming out, but hey, go ahead.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:37:28

        Oh, Lordy. Called The Well of Being-

    16. KRKevin Rose1:37:30

        Okay

    17. TFTim Ferriss1:37:30

        ... by Jean-Pierre Wahl, I guess if you were gonna say it in German.

    18. KRKevin Rose1:37:34

        All right.

    19. TFTim Ferriss1:37:35

        And this has made an impact on me. It's a beautiful book. It's very easy to read. You could read it with your kids, and the couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful, present, and playful couples I know. F and K, thank you for all this. And it infused... You know, th- they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way. So here's the description. "The Well of Being from Jean-Pierre Wahl is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments." I'll stop there. It's a long description.

    20. KRKevin Rose1:38:10

        It's out of print. I'm on Amazon right now. It's out of print.

    21. TFTim Ferriss1:38:12

        Is it really?

    22. KRKevin Rose1:38:13

        Yeah.

    23. TFTim Ferriss1:38:13

        All right.

    24. KRKevin Rose1:38:13

        And so I had to just buy a used copy.

    25. TFTim Ferriss1:38:15

        Buy a, buy a used copy. It's a beautiful book.

    26. KRKevin Rose1:38:17

        Okay.

    27. TFTim Ferriss1:38:18

        And then separately, there's a question that I've been asking myself a lot, and you can find this more

25. 1:38:24 – 1:39:54

    Are you hunting antelope or field mice?

    1. TFTim Ferriss1:38:24

       elaborated upon on my blog. Takes two or three minutes, but don't freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post. But it's a strong metaphor, and the, the question is, are you hunting antelope or field mice? And I've been thinking about this with the podcast as well as with respect to next projects, how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time.

    2. KRKevin Rose1:38:46

       Mm-hmm.

    3. TFTim Ferriss1:38:47

       And if you spend it in one place, you can't spend it in another.

    4. KRKevin Rose1:38:51

       Mm-hmm.

    5. TFTim Ferriss1:38:52

       And, uh, this particular question, people can look it up for the history, but are you hunting, are y- [laughs] are you hunting antelope or field mice is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion. Like a lion can survive on field mice, but it's going to ultimately be very, very, very, very, very over-busy, and it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice.

    6. KRKevin Rose1:39:17

       So it'd be skinny.

    7. TFTim Ferriss1:39:18

       Don't be skinny, but, like, pick a big-

    8. KRKevin Rose1:39:21

       No, it would be skinny if it was just eating field mice.

    9. TFTim Ferriss1:39:22

       Oh, it would be skinny, yeah. But pick a big, audacious goal that can feed you for a long time. Right? So as you're being busy, quote-unquote-

    10. KRKevin Rose1:39:32

        Yeah

    11. TFTim Ferriss1:39:32

        ... like are you hunting field mice or antelope? And-

    12. KRKevin Rose1:39:35

        Can I challenge that for a second?

    13. TFTim Ferriss1:39:37

        Challenge.

    14. KRKevin Rose1:39:38

        So if you're hunting field mice, I'm assuming that's easier prey, easier to get, probably gives you more time to, like, sit with who you are.

    15. TFTim Ferriss1:39:49

        Watch Netflix.

    16. KRKevin Rose1:39:50

        Like, the, the one thing that, that struck me about today, and I, and I just...

26. 1:39:54 – 1:49:19

    Analyzing what "chill" looks like for me.

    1. KRKevin Rose1:39:54

       Like, let's have a little real talk for a second at the end.

    2. TFTim Ferriss1:39:56

       Oh, wow. Oh, God. Coming to Jesus moment.

    3. KRKevin Rose1:39:57

       So-

    4. TFTim Ferriss1:39:57

       Here we go

    5. KRKevin Rose1:39:57

       ... no, no, but, like, like you went on this sabbatical.

    6. TFTim Ferriss1:40:00

       Yeah.

    7. KRKevin Rose1:40:01

       And yet you had to write a book.

    8. TFTim Ferriss1:40:05

       I didn't have to write a book.

    9. KRKevin Rose1:40:05

       Well, hold on, hold on.

    10. TFTim Ferriss1:40:06

        Man.

    11. KRKevin Rose1:40:06

        Our fr- our mutual friend-

    12. TFTim Ferriss1:40:08

        Oh, boy [laughs]

    13. KRKevin Rose1:40:09

        ... who shall not be named, pointed this out as well.

    14. TFTim Ferriss1:40:13

        Yeah.

    15. KRKevin Rose1:40:13

        Where it's like can you sit and just be you, or would that be too hard?

    16. TFTim Ferriss1:40:20

        Yeah. This is, this is good. Let's, let's get into-

    17. KRKevin Rose1:40:22

        [laughs]

    18. TFTim Ferriss1:40:22

        ... the fucking chewy bits. So I routinely every year spend at least a month off the grid, right? Like last October, I was gone. I was in... I was off the grid.

    19. KRKevin Rose1:40:34

        Yeah, but you were doing shit.

    20. TFTim Ferriss1:40:36

        I was doing stuff, but here's my question, right? And this was in our shared text thread. I basically said, "Okay, look, so the accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out." I'm like, "Okay, fine. Let's take that as, let's take that as true. If Tim were to chill out-

    21. KRKevin Rose1:40:52

        Mm-hmm

    22. TFTim Ferriss1:40:52

        ... what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis?"

    23. KRKevin Rose1:40:55

        Mm-hmm.

    24. TFTim Ferriss1:40:55

        And one of my challenges was humans are built to be social.

    25. KRKevin Rose1:40:59

        Mm-hmm.

    26. TFTim Ferriss1:40:59

        You have a family.

    27. KRKevin Rose1:41:00

        Mm-hmm.

    28. TFTim Ferriss1:41:00

        Our mutual friend has a family.

    29. KRKevin Rose1:41:02

        Mm-hmm.

    30. TFTim Ferriss1:41:02

        There's an inbuilt social network-

Episode duration: 1:49:30