Brazil CRASHES OUT?! Germany OUT?! This World Cup Is Absolute Chaos | WORLD CUP Bonus Episode

The knockout rounds have turned the 2026 FIFA World Cup upside down. In this week’s World Cup bonus episode, Trevor and Joe break down Germany’s stunning penalty shootout collapse, Cape Verde’s remarkable performance against Argentina, and FIFA’s decision to overturn Florian Balogun’s red card suspension, before making their predictions for the next week of matches. 👇 Which moment shocked you the most this week? Subscribe for new World Cup episodes, live watchalongs and exclusive conversations throughout the tournament. #WorldCup #TrevorNoah #WhatNowPodcast #Football #Soccer #Messi #Ronaldo #Brazil #Germany #Argentina #portugal 00:00 - Knockout Week Recap 01:02 - FIFA Controversy & Team USA's Red Card 08:36 - Is FIFA Chasing the American Market? 12:45 - Mexico Fans vs England 14:43 - Germany's Penalty Collapse 18:11 - Why Players Fear Penalty Shootouts 27:25 - Is It Over for Brazil? 33:14 - Argentina vs Cape Verde Was Incredible 42:21 - Ronaldo Gets Benched... and Portugal Scores 47:16 - Was Croatia's Goal Actually Offside? 50:42 - Why African Teams Keep Breaking Hearts 58:22 - Belgium vs USA Predictions

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0:00 – 1:02
Knockout Week Recap
1. TNTrevor Noah
  This episode is brought to you by Febreze, and we're coming to you from the official Febreze-sponsored boot room, which, if you know anything about soccer, is usually the last place you wanna hang out. [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. In the infamous words of Erling Haaland, "Well, well, well." [sighs]
2. JOJoe
  Mm.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  What a week.
4. JOJoe
  Wow.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Welcome to the-
6. JOJoe
  Mm
7. TNTrevor Noah
  ... welcome to the podcast show. Um, and welcome to a crazy week of knockout football. We have so many things to get to in this episode. We gotta talk about the results. We gotta talk about Brazil. We gotta talk about the Netherlands. We gotta talk about Germany. We gotta talk about-
8. JOJoe
  [laughs]
9. TNTrevor Noah
  ... Norway. We've gotta talk about France. We've gotta talk about-
10. JOJoe
  Africa [laughs]
11. TNTrevor Noah
  ... um, Mexico and England. We gotta talk about, uh, Belgium and the USA.
12. JOJoe
  So many.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  We've gotta talk about, uh, who else? Who else do we have to talk about?
14. JOJoe
  We have to talk about the African teams.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  We have to talk about Argentina and Cape Verde.
16. JOJoe
  Mm. Ooh, ooh.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Um, and we have to talk
1:02 – 8:36
FIFA Controversy & Team USA's Red Card
1. TNTrevor Noah
  about France and Paraguay, but let's kick things off with the freshest news.
2. JOJoe
  Oh, my God.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  You know, they say that football, what makes football such a beautiful game is that it can bring out sides of people we didn't know existed. Who would have thought Team USA would have Donald Trump-
4. JOJoe
  [laughs]
5. TNTrevor Noah
  ... fighting for a birth right citizen?
6. JOJoe
  [laughs]
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Huh?
8. JOJoe
  Yes, Balogun.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Who, who would have thought?
10. JOJoe
  Florian. Mm.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  Who would have thought?
12. JOJoe
  Mm.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  I mean, we, we've seen some pretty crazy decisions in a World Cup. I don't think since, what was it, like Garrincha-
14. JOJoe
  Mm
15. TNTrevor Noah
  ... we've seen a decision overruled like this Team USA player getting a red card.
16. JOJoe
  Mm.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Balogun.
18. JOJoe
  Florian.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  For, for Florian Balogun, which shouldn't have been-
20. JOJoe
  Yeah, shouldn't have been
21. TNTrevor Noah
  ... a red card. We all agree on that.
22. JOJoe
  He was-
23. TNTrevor Noah
  We all agree on that
24. JOJoe
  ... yeah, was hard done by.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  But the World Cup has never cared about what should have or shouldn't have been.
26. JOJoe
  Mm.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  The punishment is doled out. You take it. You, you gotta deal with the, with the, with the punishment. You gotta deal with the effects. And it turns out, if your president is Donald Trump, and if your country's the United States, and if Infantino's in charge, anything is possible. The impossible is possible, my friend.
28. JOJoe
  FIFA is, FIFA is usually like an African parent. Once you've gotten the punishment, you get the punishment.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, yeah. That's it.
30. JOJoe
  You can't go like, "Oh, but can I appeal? But ma'am, you see." No, no, no. You get [grunts] and then we can talk afterwards. But yeah, what happened with Florian, so we all agreed hard done by. But political interference into the judicial system of FIFA, FIFA normally comes and takes over your judiciary. Not just footballing decisions, but everything from copyright and all this.
8:36 – 12:45
Is FIFA Chasing the American Market?
1. TNTrevor Noah
  realized that FIFA's real kryptonite-
2. JOJoe
  Motivation, yeah. Mm. Oh
3. TNTrevor Noah
  ... or rather their weakness is not the power of the country w- that's hosting the tournament, it's the power of the market that the country has.
4. JOJoe
  Oh, interesting. Okay. Explain. Mm.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Because, because if you think about it, you have, FIFA will host its tournament anywhere. Brazil, France-
6. JOJoe
  It has its pick, yeah
7. TNTrevor Noah
  ... you know. Yeah.
8. JOJoe
  It has its pick. Mm.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  South Africa, you name it. There's only one nation in the world where football is, like, nowhere-
10. JOJoe
  Yes
11. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in terms of, like, market share.
12. JOJoe
  Yes.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  Right? And it's the United States.
14. JOJoe
  Mm.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  The United States is one of the biggest markets in the world. Look at how much NFL players earn.
16. JOJoe
  Mm.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Look at how much NBA-
18. JOJoe
  Basketball. Mm
19. TNTrevor Noah
  ... stars earn.
20. JOJoe
  Baseball. [laughs]
21. TNTrevor Noah
  They are shocked when they see the followings-
22. JOJoe
  Mm. That football players, yes, yes
23. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that football players have in the world. Like, whenever an American athlete sees how popular and how big a footballer is worldwide, they're shocked when they realize sometimes they're earning three times their money.
24. JOJoe
  N- not just sports player, not just sports or ball players. Everyone. I remember when there was the whole fight about who is bigger, Taylor Swift or Messi or Ronaldo.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
26. JOJoe
  Who is bigger? Beyoncé. Beyoncé fans were shocked when people are posting, like, Instagram followers for Ronaldo. They went like, "Oh my God."
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
28. JOJoe
  So it's that. But for me, the one thing I want to say though, for me, this even goes outside. So you're saying FIFA is trying to tap into, desperately trying to tap into the American Market. I get that. But for me, this goes outside football. It's way bigger than football. 'Cause if the US can throw its weight around at the UN and make the UN bend its rules in a way South Africa can't, in a way Uganda can't, in a way Curaçao can't, then what's FIFA? The US can veto things.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but, but-
30. JOJoe
  The US can do whatever it wants at the UN
12:45 – 14:43
Mexico Fans vs England
1. TNTrevor Noah
  the money I wanna make."
2. JOJoe
  It's, it's insane to your point that you're saying, 'cause yesterday I was watching [laughs] , I was watching Morocco. I made a mistake. I made a mistake. Sorry, I apologize. I made the mistake of watching the Morocco versus Canada game on Fox, and Morocco scored, and the commenter went like, "Morocco takes the lead on this 4th of July holiday." And I went like, "What?"
3. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs] .
4. JOJoe
  What does 4th of July have to do with Morocco at all? But the thing you're saying, the thing you're saying, the w- it's, it's more profitable to see everything-
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
6. JOJoe
  ... through the prism-
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
8. JOJoe
  ... of the US. Yes.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  It's actually funny. If, if I was to bet, I would've said that Canada will get knocked out first of all the host nations.
10. JOJoe
  Oh, okay. Yeah, it would've been Stuttgart. They were the first ones. Boom.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  'Cause they just, they just seemed like, I know it's a stereotype, but, like, the most polite host nation in a way.
12. JOJoe
  Mm. Mm, mm, mm.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  'Cause I don't know if you've, if you've seen. Like, by the time this episode comes out-
14. JOJoe
  Yes
15. TNTrevor Noah
  ... England will have played Mexico.
16. JOJoe
  Yeah.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  But did you see what the-
18. JOJoe
  We're tapping it right before. Right before. Yes
19. TNTrevor Noah
  ... did you see what the Mexico fans were doing outside the England, um, team hotel?
20. JOJoe
  Classic.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Shooting fireworks.
22. JOJoe
  Classic. Classic.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  Playing music.
24. JOJoe
  Yes.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Screaming at them in the lobby.
26. JOJoe
  Trying to ensure that they don't sleep the night before.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, they're just like, "We just don't want you to sleep."
28. JOJoe
  The night before. It was crazy because I've seen Eu- Eastern European clubs do that, club fans, but I've never seen a country do that, a host country. So what happened actually was England booked 15 hotels-
29. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
30. JOJoe
  ... to throw them off.
14:43 – 18:11
Germany's Penalty Collapse
1. JOJoe
  outside the hotel. Yes.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, man.
3. JOJoe
  You should see the videos. Yeah.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  And speaking of insane-
5. JOJoe
  No. [sighs]
6. TNTrevor Noah
  If we look at some of the results, Germany, since we last recorded an episode-
7. JOJoe
  But-
8. TNTrevor Noah
  ... knocked out. And you know what? For me, it's the full, it's the full sentence.
9. JOJoe
  Mm.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Not just knocked out by Paraguay. Knocked out in penalties.
11. JOJoe
  Penalties. The most un-German-like way to go out. Yes. I'll say this. We both did favor Germany for that matchup, but we both also did say Germany was in transition. Germany was having an identity crisis. And for me, when I watched that game, especially the penalty shootout, I couldn't believe this was Germany. Because you saw the videos that came out afterwards. Joshua Kimmich trying and begging and pleading-
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, begging players to take the kick
13. JOJoe
  ... with Leon Goretzka, who has won a Champions League, has almost 80 caps, begging him take a penalty. He refused.
14. TNTrevor Noah
  So-
15. JOJoe
  Jonathan Tah had to step up, take his first penalty ever.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  So here, but here's, okay, but here's my question.
17. JOJoe
  Yes.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Uh, maybe, I don't know when the game changed this.
19. JOJoe
  Mm.
20. TNTrevor Noah
  When I first started watching football, penalty takers were, were decided before a game started.
21. JOJoe
  That's right.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  Right?
23. JOJoe
  You're very right. You're very right.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  So the coach-
25. JOJoe
  Mm
26. TNTrevor Noah
  ... long before the game started, knew, like, literally they knew-
27. JOJoe
  Knew. At this, at this stage, yes
28. TNTrevor Noah
  ... they knew coming into the game.
29. JOJoe
  Yes.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  The way I understand football-
18:11 – 27:25
Why Players Fear Penalty Shootouts
1. TNTrevor Noah
  to penalty takers, like, or penalty taking? Is it that, like... 'Cause I, I wrestle with this. I'm like- Have players become ... Like, I was really trying to break this down-
2. JOJoe
  Mm
3. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and I was like, is this, is this the, is this like the Roberto Baggio effect?
4. JOJoe
  Effect.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Is this like a second system effect? You and I grew up at a time when Roberto Baggio was widely considered the best footballer-
6. JOJoe
  Fair place, yes
7. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in the world when he was playing.
8. JOJoe
  Mm. Mm.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Right?
10. JOJoe
  Incredible player.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  He was the best. He was the number 10.
12. JOJoe
  Mm.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  He ruled the game.
14. JOJoe
  Put the tuco on his back. Yes.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  Every kid was trying to grow their hair into a ponytail.
16. JOJoe
  Yeah. The divine ponytail, yes.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah. To try and match him. He goes to the final.
18. JOJoe
  Drags Italy, kicking and screaming-
19. TNTrevor Noah
  Drags Italy to the final
20. JOJoe
  ... to the final, yes.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  And in the final it's a penalty shootout, and he has to kick.
22. JOJoe
  The final kick against Brazil.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  And he s-
24. JOJoe
  Funny enough, USA '94.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
26. JOJoe
  Mm.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  And he boots that ball, skies it.
28. JOJoe
  Into the skies o- into, into the sky of heaven.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  He, he kicks that ... He misses that penalty so badly that his name is essentially forgotten-
30. JOJoe
  Mm. He became a byword-
27:25 – 33:14
Is It Over for Brazil?
1. TNTrevor Noah
  talk about Brazil. Is it, is it, is it over for Brazil?
2. JOJoe
  I think Brazil-
3. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, like in this moment in time-
4. JOJoe
  Mm
5. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and I, the reason I ask the question is, um, and you can-
6. JOJoe
  Mm
7. TNTrevor Noah
  ... you can ask any if you have, like-
8. JOJoe
  Mm
9. TNTrevor Noah
  ... but, like-
10. JOJoe
  Why do you think it's over? Why do you think it's over?
11. TNTrevor Noah
  No, no, I'm asking.
12. JOJoe
  Okay.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  I'm not saying it's, it's over. What I'm saying is, this is the first time I've seen Brazil where I don't know who's next. I, I don't know who's in the pipeline.
14. JOJoe
  Mm. Mm.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  I don't have an obvious, like-
16. JOJoe
  Mm
17. TNTrevor Noah
  ... idea of where Brazil's next generation is gonna come from.
18. JOJoe
  Mm. I'm not worried about their next generation.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah?
20. JOJoe
  I'm not worried. They have Endrick, they have Estevão. I think if Estevão was in this World Cup, he would have ad- added a dimension to the attack that they were missing.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but what about the midfield?
22. JOJoe
  Uh, the midfield is aging. The midfield is killing them.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  But that's my point. Where's the, where the-
24. JOJoe
  It's killing, killing them.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Where's the new midfield?
26. JOJoe
  It's killing them. Brazil has never though had-
27. TNTrevor Noah
  What about the wing backs?
28. JOJoe
  I'll say this. Okay, I'll say this.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  I think, I think you, you-
30. JOJoe
  Mm
33:14 – 42:21
Argentina vs Cape Verde Was Incredible
1. JOJoe
  Angelo Christias. This was a team of, like, dreamers who hadn't had, like, great footballing careers at their clubs.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3. JOJoe
  And my friend, they came in, beat Portugal in the opening game, beat France in the quarterfinals. They were winning one-nil, one-nil. Met Portugal again. Portugal was hosting. Beat them in, again in the final, and they were just fighting for each other. When you saw that Cape Verde team, they don't have a star. Don't have a star name. Their only star name is, I think, Vozinha, who is a goalkeeper.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but that's, that's-
5. JOJoe
  And maybe Pico Lopez.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but that's not even that to your point. They're not stars.
7. JOJoe
  They fight for each other.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
9. JOJoe
  These are guys who are... So Norway, when you got Norway, when you got that Greek team of, of Euro 2004, and when you look at Cape Verde, these are guys who have bonded. These are guys who are going to be brothers eight years from now. They'll be meeting. They'll be in the same WhatsApp group. You know when they're gonna be, have a WhatsApp group for forever. These are guys who have bonded, and teams like that in a tournament are a menace. 'Cause when you can trust the man on your, like they say in 300, when you can-
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
11. JOJoe
  ... trust the man on your left to never run, then you, or when you know, like, if the front collapses-
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah
13. JOJoe
  ... the whole team collapses. These guys fight for every ball. Cape Verde made Argentina earn every goal. Every goal.
14. TNTrevor Noah
  Even-
15. JOJoe
  There were no gifts.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Every goal that Argentina scored, except the last one, which was-
17. JOJoe
  Yeah, yeah
18. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that's where it's just, like, football and it's luck.
19. JOJoe
  Mm-hmm. That header was going out, by the way.
20. TNTrevor Noah
  Me- Mes-
21. JOJoe
  It was going out
22. TNTrevor Noah
  ... Messi, Messi's goal-
23. JOJoe
  It had to be perfect
24. TNTrevor Noah
  ... was so good. It was so good-
25. JOJoe
  It had to be
26. TNTrevor Noah
  ... for so many reasons. First of all, it's good because you watch Messi start the play. He's facing his team. He's standing on the edge of the box. He's walking with the back line. He starts orchestrating his players and starts moving the ball around from his position. He's not on the ball.
27. JOJoe
  He's not on the ball, yes.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  He's just pointing.
29. JOJoe
  Mm.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  Telling people what to do. Very Pedri-esque.
42:21 – 47:16
Ronaldo Gets Benched... and Portugal Scores
1. JOJoe
  I can never be sad. I go like, "You've earned it." 'Cause it takes a special team to beat Messi. When, when Liverpool beat us 4-0, when Liverpool beat Barcelona 4-0, and they came back from a 3-0 down-
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
3. JOJoe
  ... I went like, "Fair play." 'Cause I love the game. I love Messi, but I love the game of football more than Messi.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Let's talk about, uh, another player that you love talking about, Cristiano Ronaldo.
5. JOJoe
  Yes.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  We, in our last episode, we said something-
7. JOJoe
  Mm.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  That I would argue has now proved to be true.
9. JOJoe
  Mm-hmm.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  We said, "If Portugal wants to go through-
11. JOJoe
  Mm
12. TNTrevor Noah
  ... by hook or crook-
13. JOJoe
  Mm
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... Ronaldo's gonna have to be off the field." Portugal was playing against Croatia.
15. JOJoe
  Yes.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Was a tense, tense match where Portugal never looked like they were gonna pull away.
17. JOJoe
  Mm.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  They get awarded a penalty.
19. JOJoe
  Mm.
20. TNTrevor Noah
  Cristiano Ronaldo steps up.
21. JOJoe
  Scores brilliantly.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  Takes the penalty brilliantly.
23. JOJoe
  Brilliantly, yes.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Scores the penalty.
25. JOJoe
  High pressure penalty.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah.
27. JOJoe
  Mm.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  Scores the penalty.
29. JOJoe
  Mm.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  But then again, the match goes back to a tense game where anything can happen.
47:16 – 50:42
Was Croatia's Goal Actually Offside?
1. JOJoe
  I disagreed immediately.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Yes.
3. JOJoe
  And I still disagree. The reason I disagree is this. I feel everyone focuses on the sneaker. The ball, was it touched by Matanovic or not?
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Yes.
5. JOJoe
  I think they're focusing on the wrong thing. The focus should be on, was Renato Veiga trying to make a defensive play? 'Cause if you say it was unintentional, then the Croatian player was offside. Personally, it was offside. But for me, I argue that Renato Veiga was making a defensive play. Why?
6. TNTrevor Noah
  So, so let me, so let me tell you why I think you lose this argument if you're gonna do that.
7. JOJoe
  Okay.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  I think, by the strict interpretation of the game-
9. JOJoe
  Okay
10. TNTrevor Noah
  ... of the player jumping that close to a ball-
11. JOJoe
  Okay
12. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in an offside way-
13. JOJoe
  Yes
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... is offside in my opinion.
15. JOJoe
  Okay.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  It is offside.
17. JOJoe
  Okay.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  You cannot, this thing of, like, did they touch the ball or not is irrelevant-
19. JOJoe
  Okay
20. TNTrevor Noah
  ... when the player is actively trying to play the ball and is this close to playing the ball. You know why? We have to defend them.
21. JOJoe
  Yes.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  The whole field has to shift with them. The purpose of the offside rule is to protect the game from an unfair advantage or disadvantage.
23. JOJoe
  I agree. I agree.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Right?
25. JOJoe
  Yes.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  So if a player's jumping to head of the ball, and they happen to miss it by a hair-
27. JOJoe
  Yes, yes
28. TNTrevor Noah
  ... let's say they didn't touch it. How is that not offside? You made an active effort to play the ball, right? You made an active effort. People had to defend you. Because of your positioning, the ball might have been missed by somebody else, or somebody got thrown off. The same way if you block the goalkeeper's view and it's offside, it's offside.
29. JOJoe
  Yes, it's offside. Yes. Mm.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  You interfered with the play. To me-
50:42 – 58:22
Why African Teams Keep Breaking Hearts
1. JOJoe
  we made the predictions, I got all the African teams right. I said Egypt and Morocco are progressing.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Yes.
3. JOJoe
  I said the rest were going to be dumped out. And so my friends were asking me why did I do that? And also part of the reason why I wasn't heartbroken when African teams lost out, it's because I've been traumatized enough-
4. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
5. JOJoe
  ... by African teams. In fact, Trevor, I shouldn't be holding this podcast in a chair. I should be on a couch because I'm going to trauma dump on you. So I've watched enough football to know that when it comes to the knockouts, African teams always find a way. For some reason, it could be structural, it could be psychological, I don't know what's happening, but African teams always find a way, and unfortunately, mostly Black African teams find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It started when I was a wee lad. I was really young. I think I was around five, six. I remember Cameroon 1990 World Cup. I remember my, my father and my uncles and the whole village going crazy when Cameroon with nine men beat Diego Maradona's, uh-
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Argentina, yeah
7. JOJoe
  ... Argentina in the opening game.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
9. JOJoe
  And this was the Cameroon team of Toma-
10. TNTrevor Noah
  That's when we-
11. JOJoe
  Yeah
12. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that's when we thought the World-
13. JOJoe
  Yes
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... we thought it was coming.
15. JOJoe
  Pele in 1977 said, "An African team is going to win the World Cup by the year 2000." In 1990, we all believed. I remember I was young, and I think I... Maybe it's not just my memory. It's also because I've watched, like, clips at afterwards. I remember when M'Biak scored that header, 'cause that, that team was good. It had Roger Milla, M'Biak, uh, Cyril Makanaky, Thomas N'Kono, all these great players. When they beat Argentina with nine men, we went, "They're going to win it." They topped their group. They went into... They beat Romania 2-1, Roger Milla scoring a double. I remember the village going crazy. I was young, but you know, I think that's when I fall, I fell in love with this game.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17. JOJoe
  They went into the knockout rounds, round of 16.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Mm.
19. JOJoe
  Beat Colombia. Roger Milla, I remember clear watching Roger Milla steal that ball from René Higuita, scoring, going to the corner flag-
20. TNTrevor Noah
  And doing his little dance
21. JOJoe
  ... and just doing the dance, yes.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
23. JOJoe
  And we went like, "This is it." They played England. Cameroon was eight minutes away from winning it. They conceded a penalty. Gary Lineker scores, goes into extra time. Gary Lineker scores another penalty. Cameroon out. I remember the way the village felt after that.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Nigeria?
25. JOJoe
  1994, Nigeria.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
27. JOJoe
  A famous Nigerian team. Peter Rufai and Rashidi Yekin, Samson Siasia. That was Amunike, Daniel Amokachi. Incredible Nigerian team that won the Nations Cup.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  Yep.
29. JOJoe
  They were on the high.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  Yep.
58:22 – 1:04:50
Belgium vs USA Predictions
1. JOJoe
  It has, like, a resilience to it, but I think they're too short.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  But there's o-
3. JOJoe
  I think, I think they're winning in 2030.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  There's only one-
5. JOJoe
  Mm
6. TNTrevor Noah
  ... uh, prediction I'm looking for here, Joe.
7. JOJoe
  Mm-hmm.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  USA, Belgium.
9. JOJoe
  I think Belgium-
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Because this was the game-
11. JOJoe
  I think Belgium is going to win.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  You think Belgium's winning?
13. JOJoe
  I think Belgium's going to w- I think, I think USA has run its course. I think all the host countries win.
14. TNTrevor Noah
  What has Belgium shown you that makes you think they're gonna win?
15. JOJoe
  They've shown me that they have character.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  You think Team USA doesn't have character?
17. JOJoe
  My friend, they came back and beat Senegal. That was character. Youri Tielemans.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  No, my friend.
19. JOJoe
  Mm.
20. TNTrevor Noah
  You're gonna say-
21. JOJoe
  Mm
22. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that they've shown that they have character.
23. JOJoe
  I think. Okay.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  When they came back against teams that you say crumble consistently-
25. JOJoe
  Yes. Okay, okay, let me... Okay, okay
26. TNTrevor Noah
  ... what has Team USA shown you-
27. JOJoe
  No, okay, let me-
28. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that doesn't say character?
29. JOJoe
  Okay, let me explain it. So I feel like in tournaments-
30. TNTrevor Noah
  So I'll tell you-

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