Don Lemon: Who Is Afraid of the Truth?

1. 0:00 – 2:00

   Don Lemon reveals his age

   1. DLDon Lemon0:00

      [upbeat music] Should I, should I tell my age?

   2. TNTrevor Noah0:06

      If we walked on the streets together now-

   3. EDEugene Daniels0:07

      No way

   4. TNTrevor Noah0:07

      ... the three of us, I'm not even gassing you up.

   5. DLDon Lemon0:08

      Yeah.

   6. TNTrevor Noah0:08

      If we walked together in the streets, people would not go, "Why are they with that old guy?"

   7. EDEugene Daniels0:13

      No way.

   8. DLDon Lemon0:14

      Yeah. Yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah0:14

      They would just be like, "Your friend."

   10. DLDon Lemon0:16

       Yeah.

   11. TNTrevor Noah0:16

       They might even say your brother to me.

   12. DLDon Lemon0:17

       Yeah.

   13. TNTrevor Noah0:17

       They'd be like, "Uh, you- you're here with... I think he's your brother."

   14. DLDon Lemon0:20

       And I would go, I'd try to do your accent, but I can't.

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:23

       [laughs]

   16. EDEugene Daniels0:23

       [laughs]

   17. DLDon Lemon0:23

       "That is my brother."

   18. TNTrevor Noah0:26

       [laughs]

   19. DLDon Lemon0:26

       Uh. [laughs]

   20. TNTrevor Noah0:27

       I don't-

   21. DLDon Lemon0:27

       I don't know. Should I tell my age here? I don't know.

   22. TNTrevor Noah0:29

       You can tell your age. What's your age?

   23. DLDon Lemon0:29

       I'm 60. I turned 60 this year.

   24. EDEugene Daniels0:31

       No way.

   25. DLDon Lemon0:32

       Yeah.

   26. EDEugene Daniels0:35

       Man.

   27. TNTrevor Noah0:36

       Don, you look good.

   28. EDEugene Daniels0:37

       Yeah.

   29. DLDon Lemon0:37

       Thank you.

   30. TNTrevor Noah0:37

       Like, you look good good.
2. 2:00 – 10:05

   Accents, code-switching & hate mail

   1. TNTrevor Noah2:00

      Let's, let's, let's list a few reasons.

   2. EDEugene Daniels2:01

      Eh, eh.

   3. TNTrevor Noah2:02

      Uh, no, no, no. Just give me the reasons.

   4. EDEugene Daniels2:03

      Why are we making this about our pet peeves-

   5. TNTrevor Noah2:04

      Wait, wait, wait

   6. EDEugene Daniels2:05

      ... where, man-

   7. TNTrevor Noah2:05

      I'm asking you-

   8. EDEugene Daniels2:05

      Get on with your proposal-

   9. TNTrevor Noah2:06

      Wait

   10. EDEugene Daniels2:06

       ... so we can shoot it down-

   11. TNTrevor Noah2:07

       Wait, wait, wait. First, first-

   12. EDEugene Daniels2:07

       ... with a clear conscience

   13. DLDon Lemon2:08

       Are you guys rolling on this shit?

   14. TNTrevor Noah2:10

       [laughs]

   15. EDEugene Daniels2:12

       [laughs] Okay. What, what-

   16. DLDon Lemon2:13

       I wanna, I wanna show you that this is well thought out.

   17. EDEugene Daniels2:14

       Okay, sharp. Let's hear it.

   18. DLDon Lemon2:15

       Is this African on African crime?

   19. TNTrevor Noah2:18

       [laughs]

   20. EDEugene Daniels2:19

       [laughs] Push the feel one of us. [laughs]

   21. DLDon Lemon2:21

       Can I, can I just observe-

   22. EDEugene Daniels2:22

       Yeah, nah

   23. DLDon Lemon2:22

       ... I just observed something. Can I, can you, can I jump in?

   24. TNTrevor Noah2:25

       Yeah, of course. What do you mean?

   25. EDEugene Daniels2:26

       Anytime.

   26. DLDon Lemon2:26

       So, uh, this is, uh, what do you call it when, um... Oh, shit. When you... Uh, your, your accent is heavier now when you're speaking to him.

   27. TNTrevor Noah2:36

       Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely.

   28. DLDon Lemon2:38

       Yeah.

   29. TNTrevor Noah2:38

       100%.

   30. DLDon Lemon2:39

       Your acc-
3. 10:05 – 13:30

   Trevor Noah on leaving The Daily Show

   1. DLDon Lemon10:05

      what you brought to The Daily Show.

   2. TNTrevor Noah10:07

      No.

   3. DLDon Lemon10:07

      And I would've-

   4. TNTrevor Noah10:08

      No, no, no, no, no, no

   5. DLDon Lemon10:08

      ... I would've-

   6. TNTrevor Noah10:09

      No

   7. DLDon Lemon10:09

      ... I would've fought tooth and nail to keep you there.

   8. TNTrevor Noah10:11

      No, no, no, no, no. Honestly, they did- no. Honestly, they didn't. No. There was no, there was no fight, there was no shade, there was no nothing. All that happened was I was, I had been doing The Daily Show, it was going on seven years, right?

   9. DLDon Lemon10:22

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TNTrevor Noah10:22

       The thing that happened was, so there, there are a few ideas I have of life that are not congruent with how Americans run their businesses sometimes.

   11. DLDon Lemon10:32

       Right.

   12. TNTrevor Noah10:32

       Okay? So one of them is I do not believe that everything has to go on forever.

   13. DLDon Lemon10:36

       Right.

   14. TNTrevor Noah10:37

       I also believe that people should take breaks.

   15. DLDon Lemon10:39

       I agree.

   16. TNTrevor Noah10:39

       In both directions, by the way.

   17. DLDon Lemon10:40

       I agree with both of those things.

   18. TNTrevor Noah10:41

       Right? Yes. So I think you should give an audience a break.

   19. DLDon Lemon10:44

       Yeah.

   20. TNTrevor Noah10:44

       And you should give staff a break, and you should give, y- like, I like that SNL, for instance, goes off for a few months.

   21. DLDon Lemon10:50

       Right. Right.

   22. TNTrevor Noah10:50

       I like that.

   23. DLDon Lemon10:51

       Right.

   24. TNTrevor Noah10:51

       I think it's good. I like that TV shows go away and then come back. John Oliver takes, like, a few months off around December, January, comes back in February.

   25. DLDon Lemon10:58

       Mm-hmm.

   26. TNTrevor Noah10:58

       I like that. And so my pitch was, "Hey, I love what we're doing here, but I'd just like to take more time. I wanna get back home to South Africa. My accent is fading."

   27. DLDon Lemon11:07

       [laughs]

   28. TNTrevor Noah11:07

       "People are noticing this."

   29. DLDon Lemon11:09

       Your, "I need my hair to grow out."

   30. TNTrevor Noah11:10

       Yeah, man. I wanna, like, you know, I wanna, I, I still, there's aspects of my life that I miss. Hm. And they were like, "No, man. The Daily Show has to happen the way it does every sing..." I was like, "I think there's another way this could happen." And they were like, "No." And then I was like, "Okay, it's fine. If you don't agree, then we don't agree. But there's no beef, there's no fights. My contract is gonna come to an end, so l- then let's, let's just wrap it up."
4. 13:30 – 17:10

   Don on leaving CNN

   1. DLDon Lemon13:30

      like, you know-

   2. EDEugene Daniels13:31

      Oh, okay

   3. DLDon Lemon13:31

      ... very low or just let it grow out, but, you know.

   4. TNTrevor Noah13:33

      Do, what about you? Do you miss being, like, you know?

   5. DLDon Lemon13:37

      I don't.

   6. TNTrevor Noah13:38

      You don't miss it?

   7. EDEugene Daniels13:38

      At all?

   8. DLDon Lemon13:38

      I do not miss it. I, I know it sounds weird, I don't miss it. I did in the beginning. It was weird in the beginning because I was at the matrix of every big, important story in the world.

   9. TNTrevor Noah13:49

      How many years were you at CNN?

   10. DLDon Lemon13:50

       Almost 17 years.

   11. TNTrevor Noah13:51

       17 years.

   12. EDEugene Daniels13:52

       Whoa.

   13. DLDon Lemon13:52

       Almost 17 years, yeah.

   14. TNTrevor Noah13:53

       Damn.

   15. DLDon Lemon13:54

       Yeah. And, um, so it was weird. Like, I was like, "What do I do with my time?" But I don't miss having to second-guess, I don't know if you felt that way, maybe a little bit different because it was comedy. Kind of, but you were actually educating people in the news. Um, of, like, second-guessing, third-guessing, fourth-guessing-

   16. EDEugene Daniels14:10

       Mm-hmm

   17. DLDon Lemon14:10

       ... everything that came out of my mouth because I represented a brand and, like, 4,500 employees around the world.

   18. TNTrevor Noah14:15

       Interesting.

   19. DLDon Lemon14:15

       Some of them in war zones, so I had to be careful about what I said.

   20. EDEugene Daniels14:18

       Mm-hmm.

   21. DLDon Lemon14:18

       Now I can just say, "Fuck you," or whatever it is. [laughs]

   22. TNTrevor Noah14:21

       [laughs] Don's been waiting.

   23. DLDon Lemon14:24

       And, [laughs] and, or whatever.

   24. TNTrevor Noah14:25

       I'll grow my hair and fuck you.

   25. DLDon Lemon14:26

       Yeah. [laughs]

   26. EDEugene Daniels14:29

       [laughs]

   27. TNTrevor Noah14:29

       Like, today-

   28. EDEugene Daniels14:30

       That's so good

   29. TNTrevor Noah14:31

       ... as I was recording my show today, there was a, you know, the, um, on the official, uh, Democratic, uh, Twitter account-

   30. DLDon Lemon14:37

       Yeah
5. 17:10 – 18:40

   Fear, greed & corporate media

   1. DLDon Lemon17:10

      ran it. I'm not sure if they ran it, but they ended up running it, um, in foreign countries.

   2. TNTrevor Noah17:16

      Oh, in non-American-

   3. DLDon Lemon17:17

      Outside of the US, and then I guess they didn't, whoever's there don't, they didn't realize that this is gonna run somewhere else.

   4. TNTrevor Noah17:22

      Yeah.

   5. EDEugene Daniels17:22

      Oh, wow.

   6. DLDon Lemon17:23

      And so, yeah, she's gone.

   7. TNTrevor Noah17:25

      Yeah. Everyone, everyone is scared.

   8. DLDon Lemon17:28

      Everybody's scared.

   9. TNTrevor Noah17:29

      What, what's disappointed me is it's equal parts scared and equal parts greed. You know what I mean?

   10. EDEugene Daniels17:37

       Explain the greed part.

   11. TNTrevor Noah17:38

       So we say that everyone's scared.

   12. EDEugene Daniels17:40

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah17:41

       But I don't think it's only fear. I think a lot of people are putting their greed before the freedoms of the country, right? And, and a lot of these networks, these news networks, whether it's CBS, whether it's all of them, they're not just scared, they're also thinking about what they wanna do business-wise. They wanna acquire other companies.

   14. DLDon Lemon17:59

       That's what it is.

   15. TNTrevor Noah17:59

       They want mergers and acquisitions to go through.

   16. DLDon Lemon18:01

       Mm-hmm.

   17. TNTrevor Noah18:01

       They want-

   18. DLDon Lemon18:01

       Mm-hmm

   19. TNTrevor Noah18:01

       ... so because they want that to happen, they're not saying anything.

   20. EDEugene Daniels18:05

       Mm-hmm.

   21. TNTrevor Noah18:06

       But they should be saying something, but they won't say something because they want their deals to go through. So, uh, it, it's like it's half scared-

   22. EDEugene Daniels18:13

       Mm-hmm, half greed

   23. TNTrevor Noah18:14

       ... I would argue the people on the ground, like the actual reporters and the journalists, they're scared because they're gonna get fired. You know, uh, did you see this thing where they said they're gonna, um- They actually w- they wanna subpoena people's records and, like, your private... 'Cause you know if you're a journalist, you know it better than we do. Explain it. If you, if you have a source, you don't have to reveal your source.

   24. DLDon Lemon18:33

       You don't have to reveal your source.

   25. TNTrevor Noah18:34

       Yeah, right? But now they're saying they wanna-

   26. DLDon Lemon18:35

       Journalists have privileges. They have, you know, um, uh, privileges like that.

   27. TNTrevor Noah18:39

       Yeah.

6. 18:40 – 27:00

   Don Lemon’s arrest story

   1. EDEugene Daniels18:40

      Mm-hmm.

   2. DLDon Lemon18:40

      Right? Um, I'm going through it right now and I didn't even know about it.

   3. TNTrevor Noah18:44

      Wait, what?

   4. DLDon Lemon18:44

      Yeah. So when they, uh, you know, they arrested me in, in California, uh-

   5. TNTrevor Noah18:48

      Yes. What, what happened there? What exactly happened?

   6. DLDon Lemon18:51

      [laughs] Wow, this-

   7. TNTrevor Noah18:52

      But you were G about it though.

   8. DLDon Lemon18:54

      [laughs]

   9. EDEugene Daniels18:54

      [laughs]

   10. TNTrevor Noah18:54

       You were, like, thugged out. You're like, "I'm..."

   11. DLDon Lemon18:57

       [laughs]

   12. EDEugene Daniels18:58

       [laughs]

   13. TNTrevor Noah18:58

       You didn't back down. I thought you were gonna be like, "Ah, ah, ah." But you were like-

   14. DLDon Lemon19:02

       [laughs]

   15. EDEugene Daniels19:02

       [laughs]

   16. TNTrevor Noah19:03

       "Man, I'm going in, man. Going in though."

   17. DLDon Lemon19:08

       [laughs]

   18. EDEugene Daniels19:08

       [laughs]

   19. TNTrevor Noah19:11

       Don Ju- Don Julio, I'm going in though. You were not scared at all, Don?

   20. DLDon Lemon19:16

       No.

   21. TNTrevor Noah19:17

       That was like-

   22. DLDon Lemon19:18

       I was scared. It was, it was a bit frustrating but why would I be scared? I'm not scared. I'm not scared of anything.

   23. TNTrevor Noah19:21

       I'm scared of jail.

   24. DLDon Lemon19:22

       Why?

   25. TNTrevor Noah19:22

       Don't, don't even...

   26. DLDon Lemon19:23

       You're scared of jail?

   27. TNTrevor Noah19:23

       Hey, yeah, jail.

   28. DLDon Lemon19:25

       Jail? Oh.

   29. TNTrevor Noah19:27

       Jail.

   30. DLDon Lemon19:27

       Yeah. But then, then you think about, I think about the people who did go to jail so that I could be able to sit here and do this.
7. 27:00 – 30:00

   Government subpoenas & press freedom

   1. TNTrevor Noah27:00

      better name.

   2. DLDon Lemon27:00

      Yeah.

   3. TNTrevor Noah27:01

      It's, we, you know why? It evokes an image in your head.

   4. DLDon Lemon27:03

      Yeah. But I mean, if you have top, bottom, you want a side. You don't wanna be, like, in the middle. I don't, I don't-

   5. EDEugene Daniels27:08

      In between.

   6. TNTrevor Noah27:09

      I guess so. But I, that's, that's what I would've thought.

   7. EDEugene Daniels27:11

      [laughs]

   8. DLDon Lemon27:12

      So while you're looking, let me tell you a thing.

   9. TNTrevor Noah27:13

      Yeah.

   10. DLDon Lemon27:14

       So, uh, I did not realize it until yesterday that they had filed secretly, um, a subpoena for my YouTube channel to get my subscribers and members or subscribers-

   11. EDEugene Daniels27:30

       Information

   12. DLDon Lemon27:31

       ... names, addresses, and phone numbers, and the judge said, "No."

   13. TNTrevor Noah27:35

       Guys, what are we ...

   14. DLDon Lemon27:37

       The judge said no. But why would they, why would they want that? Either they want it to kill my business, to intimidate me, or to intimidate people who watch me. It's crazy.

   15. TNTrevor Noah27:48

       Guys, what are we doing?

   16. DLDon Lemon27:48

       Or to create a list.

   17. EDEugene Daniels27:49

       Did you find it?

   18. DLDon Lemon27:50

       What are we doing?

   19. TNTrevor Noah27:51

       I found it. So the legality of, um, compelled unlocking hinges on protections against unreasonable searches, Fourth Amendment, and self-incrimination, Fifth Amendment.

   20. DLDon Lemon27:59

       Mm-hmm.

   21. TNTrevor Noah27:59

       So passcodes and, passcodes and pins. The Fifth Amendment generally protects your testimonial acts.

   22. DLDon Lemon28:05

       Mm-hmm.

   23. TNTrevor Noah28:05

       Okay? So courts across the country widely agree that the government cannot force you to hand over a passcode or a pin, as doing so forces you to reveal the contents of your own mind.

   24. EDEugene Daniels28:16

       Right.

   25. TNTrevor Noah28:17

       All right? That's the key thing.

   26. EDEugene Daniels28:18

       Mm-hmm.

   27. TNTrevor Noah28:18

       So you're testifying against yourself-

   28. DLDon Lemon28:20

       Ah

   29. TNTrevor Noah28:20

       ... by giving your password.

   30. EDEugene Daniels28:21

       Mm-hmm.
8. 30:00 – 41:00

   Trevor’s wild housing idea

   1. DLDon Lemon30:00

      [laughs]

   2. TNTrevor Noah30:02

      [laughs] Exactly.

   3. DLDon Lemon30:02

      Nigeria.

   4. TNTrevor Noah30:06

      It's ... [laughs]

   5. DLDon Lemon30:06

      [laughs]

   6. EDEugene Daniels30:06

      Don't think we forgot, neh?

   7. TNTrevor Noah30:08

      Forgot what?

   8. EDEugene Daniels30:09

      The business idea.

   9. TNTrevor Noah30:10

      Okay, so my pitch was pretty simple.

   10. EDEugene Daniels30:11

       Yeah.

   11. TNTrevor Noah30:11

       It's a really simple idea. Business or societal-

   12. EDEugene Daniels30:15

       Societal

   13. TNTrevor Noah30:15

       ... proposal.

   14. EDEugene Daniels30:16

       Solution. Mm-hmm.

   15. TNTrevor Noah30:17

       If our homes are as empty as they are, and, and, and not in, like, a negative way, just most people, you wake up in the morning-

   16. EDEugene Daniels30:25

       Mm-hmm

   17. TNTrevor Noah30:25

       ... you leave the house to go to work.

   18. EDEugene Daniels30:27

       Mm-hmm.

   19. TNTrevor Noah30:27

       You only come back in the evening. Your house was empty for the entire day. The main reason you don't want somebody in your home is because you think they're gonna break things, change things, steal things-

   20. EDEugene Daniels30:37

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah30:37

       ... uh, is, smell up the place, whatever it is

   22. EDEugene Daniels30:39

       They smell up the place. [laughs]

   23. DLDon Lemon30:39

       Use up your air conditioning.

   24. TNTrevor Noah30:40

       All of this. All of this.

   25. EDEugene Daniels30:42

       Smell up the place.

   26. TNTrevor Noah30:42

       But, but imagine if we could find a way to pair each other up with your perfect house partner, someone who lives exactly like you. Exactly like you. Like, and there's gotta be somebody, 'cause the, we're not that interesting or unique as people. There's gotta be somebody who has the-

   27. EDEugene Daniels30:57

       Your lifestyle Tinder match

   28. TNTrevor Noah30:57

       ... the same vibe. Yeah, your lifestyle Tinder match. They-

   29. EDEugene Daniels31:00

       Mm-hmm

   30. TNTrevor Noah31:00

       ... they use your colognes. They would sort of dress like you. They, you know what I mean? And we, and we-
9. 41:00 – 48:00

   Does Don miss corporate media?

   1. DLDon Lemon41:00

      corporate media?

   2. TNTrevor Noah41:02

      Not at all. Not at all. It, it's-

   3. DLDon Lemon41:04

      You were surprised that I said that, too.

   4. TNTrevor Noah41:06

      No, no, no. No, no, no.

   5. DLDon Lemon41:06

      But I understand why you are.

   6. TNTrevor Noah41:07

      I was surprised that you said you don't miss the... But then y- I think you answered my question when you followed up. What I was asking is, do you miss the job? Not, I didn't even think of it as corporate media.

   7. DLDon Lemon41:17

      Yeah.

   8. TNTrevor Noah41:17

      I was asking if you, if you missed the job because I think this applies to everyone, regardless of whether they were on TV or radio or, you know, anything public-facing.

   9. EDEugene Daniels41:26

      Mm-hmm.

   10. TNTrevor Noah41:28

       We take for granted how much the thing we do slowly becomes who we think we are.

   11. DLDon Lemon41:33

       Yeah.

   12. EDEugene Daniels41:33

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah41:34

       Right?

   14. DLDon Lemon41:34

       Yeah.

   15. TNTrevor Noah41:34

       Someone s- and people say this with such confidence. You go, "Hey, my name's Mike." "Hi, Mike. Uh, tell me about yourself." "Well, I'm a doctor."

   16. EDEugene Daniels41:43

       Mm-hmm.

   17. DLDon Lemon41:43

       Yeah.

   18. TNTrevor Noah41:44

       It's amazing how that's the first thing people lead with: I am what I do.

   19. DLDon Lemon41:48

       Yeah.

   20. TNTrevor Noah41:49

       You know?

   21. EDEugene Daniels41:49

       Mm-hmm.

   22. TNTrevor Noah41:50

       And then if you take that away from them, all of a sudden they don't have an I am anymore.

   23. DLDon Lemon41:53

       Right.

   24. TNTrevor Noah41:54

       And people will sometimes even lead with that. "Hey, Mike, so tell me about yourself." "Well, I used to be a doctor." And you're like, "Wait, what do you mean? What, why would you tell me about what you used... I used to be a kindergartner. I don't tell you that."

   25. DLDon Lemon42:04

       [laughs]

   26. TNTrevor Noah42:05

       You, you know what I mean?

   27. DLDon Lemon42:06

       True.

   28. TNTrevor Noah42:06

       But it's interesting how we've, we've really made what we do who we are, and it, I think it's amplified when you're in the public eye because-

   29. DLDon Lemon42:14

       Oh, my God

   30. TNTrevor Noah42:14

       ... people see you as the job.
10. 48:00 – 53:00

    Why authenticity is winning

    1. TNTrevor Noah48:00

       No, they don't. No, they, they're living their dream, I will say. I will s-

    2. DLDon Lemon48:02

       And-

    3. TNTrevor Noah48:02

       But that, but that's the thing I don't miss, is, like ... So I, I think, I think that's where ... Eugene and I talk about this all the time. We are in an interesting age of media where the, the structures that people have, have, have ordained for so long are gonna fall apart because they don't present people with anything real anymore. It, it, it, it, it all feels like a facsimile of real. It feels like it's, like it's-

    4. DLDon Lemon48:31

       Mm-hmm

    5. TNTrevor Noah48:31

       ... manufactured. It feels like it's manicured.

    6. DLDon Lemon48:33

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TNTrevor Noah48:33

       It feels like it's ... You know? So-

    8. DLDon Lemon48:35

       Put on.

    9. TNTrevor Noah48:35

       Yeah. So, so you, you, you find yourself watching the news going, "I- is this the news? Is this what's happening? Is this what's actually going on? Is this ..." You, you know what I mean?

    10. DLDon Lemon48:45

        Yeah.

    11. TNTrevor Noah48:45

        'Cause-

    12. DLDon Lemon48:45

        Yeah

    13. TNTrevor Noah48:46

        ... the, the news at that moment-

    14. DLDon Lemon48:46

        And if you, if you-

    15. TNTrevor Noah48:46

        Mm-hmm

    16. DLDon Lemon48:47

        ... if you look at it through a- any lens-

    17. TNTrevor Noah48:49

        News, sports coverage, um, you know, documentaries, w- whatever you, you... It's interesting to see how the ones that are actually really experiencing growth are the ones that just feel authentic. Whether or not you're for them is irrelevant.

    18. DLDon Lemon49:04

        Mm-hmm.

    19. EDEugene Daniels49:04

        Yeah.

    20. TNTrevor Noah49:05

        But the authenticity is-

    21. DLDon Lemon49:06

        That's it

    22. TNTrevor Noah49:06

        ... is, is what's-

    23. DLDon Lemon49:08

        And that's what's driving independent media-

    24. TNTrevor Noah49:10

        Yeah

    25. DLDon Lemon49:10

        ... right now, is the authenticity.

    26. TNTrevor Noah49:11

        Yeah.

    27. DLDon Lemon49:11

        But you're right. Facsimile is a very good word. It's almost like Stepford Wives.

    28. TNTrevor Noah49:15

        It, that's exactly what it is

    29. DLDon Lemon49:16

        ... where you get lulled into it and you're like, and you just start watching it.

    30. TNTrevor Noah49:18

        That's exactly what... That's how I feel sometimes now when I'll watch, in the occasions, the moments when I'll watch the news.
11. 53:00 – 1:05:00

    Trump’s media genius

    1. EDEugene Daniels53:00

       It was Cindy the lap oh.

    2. TNTrevor Noah53:02

       Cindy.

    3. EDEugene Daniels53:02

       You were so close to Cindy.

    4. TNTrevor Noah53:03

       Pow.

    5. EDEugene Daniels53:04

       John had his phone. Ha ha. [laughs]

    6. TNTrevor Noah53:07

       [laughs]

    7. DLDon Lemon53:08

       What I'm not a fan of-

    8. EDEugene Daniels53:09

       Oh, man

    9. DLDon Lemon53:09

       ... is feeling like I have to sell something, because we don't have large-

    10. TNTrevor Noah53:12

        Thank you

    11. DLDon Lemon53:13

        ... large corporate-

    12. EDEugene Daniels53:13

        Have you met this guy?

    13. TNTrevor Noah53:14

        Thank-

    14. DLDon Lemon53:14

        ... sponsorships. I would like to not have to go, "And here's a word from our sponsors."

    15. TNTrevor Noah53:17

        Let me tell... My man.

    16. DLDon Lemon53:18

        I don't like that.

    17. TNTrevor Noah53:19

        Let me tell-

    18. DLDon Lemon53:19

        I'm not, that's not my favorite part.

    19. TNTrevor Noah53:20

        I swear, it's like you, it's like you-

    20. EDEugene Daniels53:22

        Yeah, you were there

    21. DLDon Lemon53:23

        ... we have to sell it. You-

    22. TNTrevor Noah53:25

        But it's like you, you-

    23. EDEugene Daniels53:26

        It's like you were there.

    24. TNTrevor Noah53:27

        I, I was having this conver- literally yesterday.

    25. EDEugene Daniels53:30

        Mm.

    26. TNTrevor Noah53:30

        And I was saying this to Eugene, my friend Ryan, we were all hanging out there, and I said, "This is what people don't even understand in politics right now. One of the main reasons Donald Trump has done so well, and continues to win people... I mean, now he's losing them because of Ir- He, he always lose... It's funny. Trump always wins-

    27. DLDon Lemon53:51

        Mm-hmm

    28. TNTrevor Noah53:51

        ... people with his rhetoric and loses people with his actions.

    29. DLDon Lemon53:53

        Yeah.

    30. TNTrevor Noah53:54

        You know?
12. 1:05:00 – 1:16:00

    Hillary Clinton vs Trump

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:05:00

       thing, that's when you will do the thing.

    2. DLDon Lemon1:05:01

       That's when you'll do the thing.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:05:02

       Have you noticed how people in divorce will finally become themselves?

    4. DLDon Lemon1:05:08

       Themselves.

    5. EDEugene Daniels1:05:08

       Mm.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:05:09

       It's only when people are breaking up with each other that they'll finally tell the other person the truth of who they are.

    7. EDEugene Daniels1:05:14

       Mm-hmm.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:05:14

       All of a sudden you'll say-

    9. EDEugene Daniels1:05:16

       Mm

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:05:16

        ... "I, I never w- I never liked sleeping in the same bed. I, I just wanna sleep in my own room," and-

    11. DLDon Lemon1:05:20

        Yeah

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:05:20

        ... "And I, I don't wanna go on vacations to this place that..." And then the person goes, "Wait, when were you gonna tell me this?"

    13. DLDon Lemon1:05:26

        Yeah.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:05:27

        When you stop trying to do the thing, ironically, that's often when you'll do the thing.

    15. DLDon Lemon1:05:31

        Is that what happened with Hillary Clinton, do you think?

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:05:32

        The same thing goes. If you want to see arguably the best just, like, politician, qualified hum- or, go and watch Hillary Clinton's interviews after she had wo- lost the election-

    17. DLDon Lemon1:05:45

        Yes

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:05:45

        ... and it was, like, done.

    19. DLDon Lemon1:05:46

        Yes.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:05:46

        I think there's one she did on Howard Stern maybe, or... You go, "Where was this person?"

    21. DLDon Lemon1:05:52

        Yeah, I agree.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:05:53

        Yo-

    23. DLDon Lemon1:05:54

        In, in person

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:05:54

        ... she is-

    25. EDEugene Daniels1:05:54

        Mm. Mm

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:05:55

        ... funny, smart, knowledgeable, throws the thing. She is fire. But you never saw that person on the campaign trail because, but this is, this is, like, the gift and the curse, I always think, in life. I argue Donald Trump won the election because he just, like the 2016 election, he won it because he's just, he was just this crazy, brash, take it to the limit person all the time.

    27. DLDon Lemon1:06:23

        He had no shame.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:06:23

        But that's also the reason he lost the next election, is because he had... The, the, there's two different skills in life, right? The s- the, the ability to be a revolutionary does not mean that you will have the ability to govern.

    29. DLDon Lemon1:06:34

        Mm-hmm.

    30. EDEugene Daniels1:06:34

        Mm-hmm.
13. 1:16:00 – 1:18:00

    Relationships & gay culture

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:16:00

       Yeah. On-

    2. DLDon Lemon1:16:00

       And they'll say, "Ugh, no. I, I don't dig this."

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:16:03

       We'll be right back after this. [upbeat music] I have a question for you, 'cause I, I was thinking about this. I thought of it earlier, and then it came back to me now. Do you think gay guys have more fun in relationships than straight guys?

    4. EDEugene Daniels1:16:24

       Absolutely.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:16:25

       Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm asking the other gay man at the table.

    6. DLDon Lemon1:16:29

       Well, he said, well, he, he said no.

    7. EDEugene Daniels1:16:29

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:16:29

       I'm ask-

    9. DLDon Lemon1:16:30

       [laughs]

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:16:30

        The other gay man at the table, Eugene. Please. Please.

    11. EDEugene Daniels1:16:34

        What? [laughs]

    12. DLDon Lemon1:16:35

        And Eugene-

    13. EDEugene Daniels1:16:36

        Why does it hurt so bad-

    14. DLDon Lemon1:16:37

        Yes, Eugene

    15. EDEugene Daniels1:16:38

        ... when someone else does it? We do it to each other all the time. [laughs]

    16. DLDon Lemon1:16:41

        Being gay is not an insult, Eugene.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:16:43

        [laughs]

    18. DLDon Lemon1:16:43

        It's, I think it's a compliment.

    19. EDEugene Daniels1:16:45

        [laughs]

    20. DLDon Lemon1:16:46

        That means you're, you know, you're hip and cool.

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:16:48

        Sm- it means you smell good.

    22. DLDon Lemon1:16:49

        You smell good. You dress well.

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:16:51

        It means you look good. It means you know what's happening, Eugene.

    24. DLDon Lemon1:16:52

        You're an overachiever.

    25. TNTrevor Noah1:16:53

        Got him. [laughs]

    26. EDEugene Daniels1:16:55

        When we started doing this podcast, you guys-

    27. DLDon Lemon1:16:56

        It means you wear a jean jacket with a black T-shirt-

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:17:00

        [laughs]

    29. EDEugene Daniels1:17:01

        [laughs]

    30. DLDon Lemon1:17:01

        ... and clear glasses. That's what it means.
14. 1:18:00 – 1:34:00

    Don Lemon coming out

    1. DLDon Lemon1:18:00

       Sex and the City.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:18:00

       Well, well, it's actually funny. I think Esther Perel said it, said it beautifully once. She said, "We have a misconception that sex is not emotional for men. It's just the emotions happen at a different time for men-

    3. DLDon Lemon1:18:10

       Yeah. [laughs] That's true

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:18:11

       ... than for women."

    5. DLDon Lemon1:18:12

       That's true.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:18:12

       So the sex is emotional for everybody-

    7. DLDon Lemon1:18:14

       Mm-hmm

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:18:14

       ... but it's more when the emotions present themselves-

    9. DLDon Lemon1:18:17

       Yeah

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:18:18

        ... that, that, that we're not so aware of. Were, were you gay your whole life?

    11. DLDon Lemon1:18:22

        Yeah.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:18:23

        So-

    13. DLDon Lemon1:18:24

        Yeah, I, uh, at a very early age-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:18:25

        Yeah

    15. DLDon Lemon1:18:25

        ... I knew that I was, but I didn't know quite what it meant sexually.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:18:30

        Mm.

    17. DLDon Lemon1:18:30

        But I also knew that it was something I had to hide, because-

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:18:32

        In the South as well?

    19. DLDon Lemon1:18:33

        Oh my gosh.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:18:34

        Very religious family?

    21. DLDon Lemon1:18:35

        Oh my gosh, yeah. I mean, it's even worse in the South. Look at the, what happened in the South now.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:18:39

        Yeah.

    23. DLDon Lemon1:18:39

        The Bible Belt and all of that, and Louisiana, Deep South. You don't get much more Southern than that. Um, yeah, so I always knew. I always knew it was something that I had to hide. And then the moment I stopped hiding it, that's when I became me, more authentic.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:18:53

        When, w- when did you come out?

    25. DLDon Lemon1:18:55

        I sort of came out to my friends and, and coworkers. So I was out with friends.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:19:00

        Yeah.

    27. DLDon Lemon1:19:00

        Like, my mom used to say, like, "How do you guy- how do the gays find each other?"

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:19:05

        [laughs]

    29. DLDon Lemon1:19:05

        Because she had never experienced so many, uh, like, gay men openly, like, you know-

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:19:09

        Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah
15. 1:34:00 – 1:44:00

    Kevin Hart roast controversy

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:34:00

       uh, Shangaan, we wouldn't say Tsonga- Mm-hmm ... because we know p- it's a derogatory term sometimes to say Shangaan. Mm-hmm. We, there's just, like... But I, d- do, do you ever feel like that? It's like we've-

    2. DLDon Lemon1:34:09

       I, I do

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:34:09

       ... we've robbed ourselves a- as people of the ability to know that something is wrong, but within the context of friendships and relationships, has no malice attached to it.

    4. DLDon Lemon1:34:19

       I'm glad you said that because I've been dying to, when I, when I knew that, when you asked me to be on the show, and then I saw this, I was like, "Oh, I gotta ask Trevor about this." So you said that you know, you, you don't say things that you know are wrong or inappropriate for that particular circle or what have you.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:34:35

       I try my best not to, yeah.

    6. DLDon Lemon1:34:36

       Yeah. So the Kevin Hart roast.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:34:38

       Yes.

    8. DLDon Lemon1:34:38

       How'd you feel about that?

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:34:40

       Man, I, I had too many feelings about the Kevin Hart roast. Um, I think the first feeling I had was maybe, maybe I was naive or maybe roasts have changed, but, like, I, I didn't like that the roast was as written as it was for everyone.

    10. DLDon Lemon1:34:56

        Yeah.

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:34:56

        Mm-hmm. That's the first thing I'll say, right? Because in my opinion, a roast is supposed to be an opportunity for each person to write the funniest expression of how they feel about another person. Mm-hmm.

    12. DLDon Lemon1:35:09

        And do their authentic brand of comedy.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:35:10

        Yes. Yeah. But even if it's not- The way they would say ... but even if it's not true-

    14. DLDon Lemon1:35:13

        Right

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:35:13

        ... you're going, "What are all the things I can roast Eugene about? What are all the things I can roast Don about? And they're not true, but these are things that s- come from my lens." Mm-hmm. "I, I, I think I can make these things funny." That's, and, and it's, it's, it comes from a place of love. That's what I think a good roast is supposed to be. It's supposed to be people who know you, people who like you, and then you can, and there'll be, like, edges on the dais because you might not know someone, so you can, shots can get fired in any direction. Mm-hmm. So that's, that's, like, on a, like, on a comedy writing side. I was like, huh. It was weird when people were like, "Let's scroll past that on the prompter," and, "Oh, the writers gave me that."

    16. DLDon Lemon1:35:46

        Yeah. Yeah.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:35:46

        And I was like, "Wait, what are we do-

    18. DLDon Lemon1:35:47

        Yeah.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:35:47

        "Then why don't the writers just come and do this?"

    20. DLDon Lemon1:35:49

        Right.

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:35:49

        That's the first thought I had. Mm. The second feeling I had was it was just a weird one. I felt like it was weird that all the Black comedians who came on stage told jokes about the people who were there.

    22. DLDon Lemon1:36:03

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:36:04

        But then a lot of the white comedians who came on told jokes about Black people.

    24. DLDon Lemon1:36:09

        Yes.

    25. TNTrevor Noah1:36:10

        Mm. A people. I was like, I was like, "Wait, wait, wait. I thought it was the roast of Kevin Hart."

    26. DLDon Lemon1:36:14

        Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah1:36:15

        Say what you want about Sheryl Underwood, say what you want about Regina, say what you want about Naeem or whoever's up there, but it was weird that, like, just, it, this was just, like, a Black joke-

    28. DLDon Lemon1:36:24

        Mm-hmm

    29. TNTrevor Noah1:36:24

        ... that had nothing to do with a person, and then you, you could just, you're like, "Wait, George Floyd? What?" The roast of Black people. Yeah, but you're like, "But what does George Floyd have..." I don't even understand the, the connecting thread between George Floyd and Kevin Hart. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You haven't shown me-

    30. DLDon Lemon1:36:39

        Mm-hmm
16. 1:44:00 – 1:45:30

    Final thoughts

    1. DLDon Lemon1:44:00

       and, uh, yeah, a- and chaperone them and supervise them.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:44:03

       Yeah, we're gonna lose, we're gonna lose more than we think. Yeah.

    3. DLDon Lemon1:44:05

       I got, I have another appointment.

    4. EDEugene Daniels1:44:06

       We, we're missing a, a-

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:44:07

       You're going?

    6. EDEugene Daniels1:44:07

       ... appointment.

    7. DLDon Lemon1:44:08

       I have, I have another appointment. I have to-

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:44:09

       Well, could, well, you gotta come back then.

    9. DLDon Lemon1:44:10

       No. [laughs]

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:44:11

        No, no, no.

    11. DLDon Lemon1:44:12

        I have to go.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:44:12

        I mean, like, in, you gotta come back.

    13. DLDon Lemon1:44:13

        No, okay. Oh.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:44:14

        Just we'll do another one.

    15. DLDon Lemon1:44:15

        You like me. You really like me.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:44:16

        Yeah. Ah, Don.

    17. EDEugene Daniels1:44:17

        You think we would lie?

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:44:18

        This guy.

    19. EDEugene Daniels1:44:19

        You would never do that to me.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:44:20

        This guy. You think there's makeup here, Don?

    21. DLDon Lemon1:44:22

        [laughs]

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:44:23

        No, man, this was amazing.

    23. DLDon Lemon1:44:24

        I loved this.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:44:25

        This was, like, genuinely, man.

    25. DLDon Lemon1:44:26

        This is what a podcast should be.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:44:28

        Ah, music to my ears. But for real, man.

    27. DLDon Lemon1:44:30

        Yeah.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:44:30

        Thank you. Thank you for joining us.

    29. EDEugene Daniels1:44:31

        This was a, this was a-

    30. DLDon Lemon1:44:31

        Can I be the third host someday?

Episode duration: 1:45:31