Hasan Piker: Subpoenaed by the Feds

1. 0:00 – 1:55

   Intro

   1. EUEugene0:00

      [upbeat music] What do you think? Even if it's three percentage points. No, bro, what do you mean?

   2. TNTrevor Noah0:07

      What do I think?

   3. EUEugene0:08

      You know what I'm saying. Yeah.

   4. TNTrevor Noah0:09

      Can a woman run the country?

   5. EUEugene0:09

      So can a woman run the country, Trevor?

   6. TNTrevor Noah0:10

      Oh, my man, any time.

   7. EUEugene0:12

      Any day.

   8. TNTrevor Noah0:12

      Let, let me put it this way, Eugene.

   9. EUEugene0:13

      Yeah, tell me.

   10. TNTrevor Noah0:13

       I'm even, I'm even gonna go a step further, my friend. I'm even gonna go a step further, my friend.

   11. EUEugene0:17

       Yeah, go, go.

   12. HPHasan Piker0:17

       Yeah.

   13. EUEugene0:17

       He's going a step further.

   14. HPHasan Piker0:18

       Yeah.

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:18

       Let, let me s- let me say this, my man.

   16. HPHasan Piker0:20

       Yeah.

   17. TNTrevor Noah0:20

       In a world where we have lived through multiple world wars-

   18. EUEugene0:23

       Mm

   19. TNTrevor Noah0:23

       ... and famines and civil wars and... In that world-

   20. EUEugene0:28

       Mm

   21. TNTrevor Noah0:28

       ... that's not the time to say, "Can women do this or not?" Does that make sense?

   22. EUEugene0:32

       100%.

   23. TNTrevor Noah0:33

       If our plane was flying-

   24. HPHasan Piker0:34

       You're saying men ruined it already

   25. TNTrevor Noah0:35

       ... I was saying if our plane was flying with no turbulence, no crashes, no disasters at all, if our airline, as men-

   26. EUEugene0:42

       Mm

   27. TNTrevor Noah0:42

       ... was running flawlessly-

   28. EUEugene0:43

       Mm

   29. TNTrevor Noah0:43

       ... then I'd be like, "Ah, ladies-

   30. EUEugene0:44

       On time
2. 1:55 – 4:25

   South African Politics, Julius Malema & “Too Woke” Politics

   1. TNTrevor Noah1:55

      [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. [upbeat music] Why would you not wanna put it up there?

   2. EUEugene2:13

      Wait, the cap was gone.

   3. TNTrevor Noah2:14

      Yeah, but he, but he put it on the floor.

   4. EUEugene2:15

      Oh, no cap.

   5. TNTrevor Noah2:15

      So I was like, "Put it, put it up there."

   6. HPHasan Piker2:16

      Oh, he doesn't want it.

   7. EUEugene2:17

      No, I want your hat.

   8. HPHasan Piker2:18

      He's a anti-communist.

   9. EUEugene2:19

      [laughs]

   10. HPHasan Piker2:19

       Vicious anti-communist.

   11. TNTrevor Noah2:20

       He's actually anti-cap.

   12. HPHasan Piker2:21

       Yeah.

   13. EUEugene2:22

       [laughs]

   14. TNTrevor Noah2:22

       His father was killed by a cap.

   15. EUEugene2:23

       No cap. [laughs]

   16. HPHasan Piker2:24

       Yeah.

   17. TNTrevor Noah2:24

       And no cap. [laughs]

   18. HPHasan Piker2:26

       Okay, good.

   19. TNTrevor Noah2:26

       His father was killed by a cap.

   20. EUEugene2:28

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah2:28

       And his grandfather was killed by a cap.

   22. HPHasan Piker2:31

       Yeah?

   23. TNTrevor Noah2:31

       And from that day onwards, he vowed no cap. [laughs]

   24. HPHasan Piker2:33

       I'm a, I'm a, uh, EFF, uh, uh, loyalist.

   25. TNTrevor Noah2:36

       Oh, you are?

   26. HPHasan Piker2:37

       Yeah.

   27. TNTrevor Noah2:37

       Oh, sh-

   28. EUEugene2:38

       You're lying

   29. TNTrevor Noah2:38

       ... so, so tell me why.

   30. HPHasan Piker2:39

       [sighs] I'm just kidding. I mean, I, I-
3. 4:25 – 7:35

   Hasan Piker Introduces Himself & Border Patrol Stories

   1. TNTrevor Noah4:25

      yeah, yeah, yeah.

   2. EUEugene4:25

      He was young. Chris Hani, when he just came back from exile, he was young. So he was also the young guy in the ANC telling people that they've, you know, their time is up.

   3. TNTrevor Noah4:32

      They've lost their way.

   4. EUEugene4:33

      Yeah, but now when you look old but you're still fighting, people are like, "No." At some point you have to, you know?

   5. TNTrevor Noah4:38

      Huh.

   6. EUEugene4:39

      And Andrew Tate with gray, with a gray beard would not fly.

   7. HPHasan Piker4:42

      Andrew Tate?

   8. EUEugene4:43

      Yeah, I'm saying-

   9. TNTrevor Noah4:43

      With a gray beard

   10. EUEugene4:44

       ... with a gray beard.

   11. HPHasan Piker4:44

       With a gray beard.

   12. EUEugene4:45

       Yeah.

   13. HPHasan Piker4:45

       Oh, God.

   14. EUEugene4:45

       And with his 17 music-

   15. HPHasan Piker4:46

       I'm, I'm starting to get a gray beard. Fuck.

   16. EUEugene4:48

       Oh, you got-

   17. TNTrevor Noah4:48

       [laughs]

   18. EUEugene4:48

       ... then you got a few more years of revolutionary in you.

   19. HPHasan Piker4:51

       Yeah.

   20. EUEugene4:51

       And then it's over.

   21. HPHasan Piker4:51

       Yeah.

   22. EUEugene4:52

       Actually, let me, yeah, let me ask you a question. Like, like, um, I, I always wonder this. For anyone who gets to step into an environment that, that they have, uh, haven't been into, if you walk into a room now, like you've walked into this podcast, right?

   23. HPHasan Piker5:05

       Mm-hmm.

   24. EUEugene5:06

       How would you introduce your to... S- how would you introduce yourself, and how do you think people perceive you when you walk in?

   25. HPHasan Piker5:12

       This is an interesting question. I don't think about it at all. But I would introduce myself as, "I'm Hasan Piker." That's it. Um, if people ask me what I do-

   26. EUEugene5:20

       Yeah

   27. HPHasan Piker5:20

       ... for a living, I just say I'm a political commentator.

   28. EUEugene5:22

       Okay.

   29. HPHasan Piker5:23

       That's it.

   30. EUEugene5:23

       And then they would say like, "Oh, what do you, what do you c- what politics do you commentate on?"
4. 7:35 – 9:12

   How Different Media Worlds Portray Hasan

   1. TNTrevor Noah7:35

      right? Um, and then if I go on, like, Twitch or any of, like, the, the younger, you know, web places, wherever they are, people are like, "Yeah, this is, Hasan's a political commentator who's actually speaking about what's happening and is not-

   2. HPHasan Piker7:49

      Mm

   3. TNTrevor Noah7:49

      ... afraid to, to tell his truth."

   4. EUEugene7:52

      Mm.

   5. TNTrevor Noah7:53

      Uh, if I go to right-wing media, I mean, that one's obvious. You're a terrorist.

   6. HPHasan Piker7:56

      Yeah.

   7. TNTrevor Noah7:56

      I think you know this. [laughs]

   8. EUEugene7:58

      [laughs]

   9. HPHasan Piker7:58

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. TNTrevor Noah7:58

       Yeah.

   11. HPHasan Piker7:58

       Of course.

   12. TNTrevor Noah7:59

       Sometimes they call you a radical terrorist, and I'm like, I don't understand the difference. Is there like a tame terrorist? Is there a-

   13. HPHasan Piker8:03

       Yeah, there's a, there's a moderate terrorism-

   14. TNTrevor Noah8:04

       Yeah, there's a moderate terrorist

   15. HPHasan Piker8:05

       ... and then there's a radical one.

   16. TNTrevor Noah8:06

       Yeah, yeah. Well, no-

   17. HPHasan Piker8:06

       Yeah, moderate terrorism is, is Nancy Pelosi.

   18. TNTrevor Noah8:09

       Oh, okay.

   19. HPHasan Piker8:09

       We're both communists.

   20. TNTrevor Noah8:10

       I see.

   21. HPHasan Piker8:11

       But she's a more moderate terrorist.

   22. TNTrevor Noah8:12

       Ah, so you're a radical terrorist and-

   23. HPHasan Piker8:14

       Mm-hmm

   24. TNTrevor Noah8:14

       ... she's a moderate. Okay, I see.

   25. HPHasan Piker8:15

       Yeah.

   26. TNTrevor Noah8:15

       Okay. So there's that-

   27. EUEugene8:16

       The sickle and hammer gave it away

   28. TNTrevor Noah8:17

       ... so there's that version. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   29. EUEugene8:18

       [laughs]

   30. TNTrevor Noah8:19

       But, like, w- where do you situate yourself in it? Or do you, do you, do you even think you sit in one place? 'Cause I- I'll tell you why I ask this question. I've learned from myself personally in life, depending on who I meet-
5. 9:12 – 11:42

   Hasan’s Influence on Politics & Tension With Democrats

   1. TNTrevor Noah9:13

      Huh.

   2. HPHasan Piker9:13

      And that's it.

   3. TNTrevor Noah9:15

      But you are, you are famous now.

   4. HPHasan Piker9:17

      I guess.

   5. TNTrevor Noah9:18

      No, not you guess. Come on, Hasan.

   6. EUEugene9:20

      [laughs]

   7. HPHasan Piker9:20

      I mean, I, I-

   8. TNTrevor Noah9:21

      Come on, Hasan. Don't be humble here with us.

   9. EUEugene9:24

      Hasan is number on the call sheet and fighting it.

   10. HPHasan Piker9:26

       [laughs]

   11. EUEugene9:27

       "No, just serve the other people first." Oh, come on. [laughs]

   12. TNTrevor Noah9:30

       No, whether you, whether you like it or not.

   13. EUEugene9:31

       [laughs]

   14. TNTrevor Noah9:32

       Uh, uh, like, because you have been thrust into a spotlight where people listen to what you're saying, people look to you. I would even argue that you have the ability to shift and move people's votes and opinions in the country now.

   15. HPHasan Piker9:47

       Apparently. Don't, don't, don't talk about that too much though, 'cause everybody gets mad at me when, when people start addressing that.

   16. TNTrevor Noah9:54

       Wait, really?

   17. HPHasan Piker9:55

       Liberals get mad at me about, uh, that exact, uh, influence that they think I wield.

   18. TNTrevor Noah10:01

       Mm.

   19. HPHasan Piker10:01

       I, I don't think I'm, like, a king maker per se, the way that the, it's been presented.

   20. TNTrevor Noah10:04

       Yeah.

   21. HPHasan Piker10:05

       Um, I do have some influence certainly. Uh, and I think, uh, it, it's mostly within the activist base of the party.

   22. TNTrevor Noah10:12

       Yeah.

   23. HPHasan Piker10:13

       The door knockers, the community organizers, the labor union organizers-

   24. TNTrevor Noah10:16

       Oh

   25. HPHasan Piker10:16

       ... rank and filers and whatnot.

   26. TNTrevor Noah10:17

       Interesting. Okay.

   27. HPHasan Piker10:18

       Uh, so, so we do have the capacity to, to, you know, uh, offer a lot of help to candidates that align with us. Um, and I think that's, that's very frustrating for obviously the Republicans who think we're dangerous terrorists. Um, but certainly even for some centrists in the Democratic Party as well. 'Cause I've been getting attacked, obviously my entire life and my entire career by Republicans, neo-Nazis, the far right, and everything else.

   28. TNTrevor Noah10:49

       Yeah.

   29. HPHasan Piker10:50

       Um, but I would say that in these last couple of years, I've also started getting a lot of, uh, ire from Democrats, moderate Democrats, corporate-backed Democrats, neoliberals in general, like the Third Way, uh, and all of these other institutions like lobbyist groups that want the Democratic Party to, to maintain this moderate pivot permanently, constantly, uh, conciliatory to right-wing culture war framing. Um, and I obviously oppose that, and I think that's precisely the reason why Kamala Harris lost. It's the reason why Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump, now twice, and I wanna change that, but these lobbyists don't wanna change that because they're, that's where their bread is buttered, and they get very pissed off.

   30. TNTrevor Noah11:39

       You say your whole life and your whole career, but take

6. 11:42 – 19:14

   Hasan on Being Detained by U.S. Border Patrol

   1. TNTrevor Noah11:42

      us back. What, what brings you to this point? Like, we meet you at this moment in your life, but, like, how, how does, how does Hasan Piker come to be?

   2. HPHasan Piker11:51

      Um-

   3. TNTrevor Noah11:51

      Like, where were you born? Where, how were you raised?

   4. HPHasan Piker11:53

      I was born here. I was born in America.

   5. TNTrevor Noah11:55

      No, no, I'm not saying it like a border agent.

   6. EUEugene11:56

      [laughs]

   7. TNTrevor Noah11:56

      I'm saying it to me. I'm saying like a life story. You're so defensive about it.

   8. HPHasan Piker11:59

      I got, I got scared.

   9. TNTrevor Noah12:00

      This man is like-

   10. HPHasan Piker12:01

       Listen

   11. TNTrevor Noah12:01

       ... I'm like, "Where were you born?" "I was born here. I'm born in America."

   12. HPHasan Piker12:03

       Listen-

   13. EUEugene12:03

       The thought of a day trip still lingers. [laughs]

   14. HPHasan Piker12:06

       [laughs] I, I don't know if you heard, but the federal government's coming after me apparently.

   15. TNTrevor Noah12:08

       We actually need to talk about that, yeah.

   16. HPHasan Piker12:10

       Yeah.

   17. TNTrevor Noah12:10

       But, but, but no.

   18. HPHasan Piker12:10

       So I need to say it. I was born here. I'm an American citizen.

   19. TNTrevor Noah12:15

       [laughs]

   20. HPHasan Piker12:15

       I could run for president. I would never do that, though-

   21. TNTrevor Noah12:18

       [laughs]

   22. HPHasan Piker12:18

       ... so don't get scared.

   23. TNTrevor Noah12:19

       Oh, man.

   24. HPHasan Piker12:20

       Um-

   25. TNTrevor Noah12:20

       You know what, you know what's funny about this is-

   26. HPHasan Piker12:21

       Yeah

   27. TNTrevor Noah12:21

       ... I, I do find it, I do find it hilarious that over the years, in a good way-

   28. HPHasan Piker12:26

       Mm

   29. TNTrevor Noah12:26

       ... I'm not saying this in a bad way at all, but over the years, the border agents at American airports and, and ports have become increasingly immigrants.

   30. HPHasan Piker12:35

       Yeah. Oh, yeah.
7. 19:14 – 21:58

   Free Speech, Terrorism Laws & Media Responsibility

   1. HPHasan Piker19:14

      that." Um, but what's interesting about that is it's not illegal. Like, it- a- as an American citizen and as a member of the media, of course I'm gonna sometimes talk to, to members of, of, you know, state-sponsored terrorist organizations. That's a normal part of the process, and it's, uh, and it's protected by the First Amendment, right? And I haven't, so I told them that I had not, but it is something that is, is very, uh, strange to ask someone who's a member of the media on their entry into the country, uh, because I think they were trying to tie that back to offering material support. This is a real big point of contention right now in, in constitutional law as well-

   2. TNTrevor Noah19:56

      Yeah

   3. HPHasan Piker19:57

      ... where they are, the administration, the State Department, the government is trying to basically expand the boundaries of what constitutes foreign material support, 'cause material support to terrorist organizations is very illegal. Um, but material-

   4. TNTrevor Noah20:10

      And, and just, just to break that down for, for some- for, so we're on the same page.

   5. HPHasan Piker20:14

      Yeah.

   6. TNTrevor Noah20:14

      When you're saying material support of a terrorist organization, the United States government has said, like most governments, I'm assuming, in the world, it is illegal to support a terrorist organization overseas-

   7. HPHasan Piker20:25

      Financially

   8. TNTrevor Noah20:26

      ... financially-

   9. HPHasan Piker20:26

      Yeah

   10. TNTrevor Noah20:26

       ... or with arms or with-

   11. EUEugene20:28

       And now it's becoming media, I guess.

   12. HPHasan Piker20:29

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. TNTrevor Noah20:30

       Yeah.

   14. EUEugene20:30

       Yeah.

   15. TNTrevor Noah20:30

       But now that's, that's an interesting-

   16. HPHasan Piker20:31

       But now, but now they are, uh, trying to expand it into speech.

   17. TNTrevor Noah20:35

       Yeah.

   18. HPHasan Piker20:35

       And one of the first things that they did was actually legal counsel, which again is, is a constitutionally protected-

   19. TNTrevor Noah20:42

       Oh, damn

   20. HPHasan Piker20:42

       ... right. So they were trying to prosecute lawyers that would, uh, that would, you know, defend people who are-

   21. TNTrevor Noah20:48

       Someone who's been accused of terrorism.

   22. HPHasan Piker20:50

       Yeah, exactly. And, and it didn't work. Uh, they put that on the back burner, but I think now with this administration, they're trying to punish dissidents, and they're trying to erode the First Amendment, really.

   23. TNTrevor Noah21:00

       I mean, they could expand it. If, if, if, if you look at the Nth degree, they could expand it to you even having an interview with somebody-

   24. HPHasan Piker21:06

       Yeah

   25. TNTrevor Noah21:07

       ... regardless of your support of them-

   26. HPHasan Piker21:08

       Yeah

   27. TNTrevor Noah21:08

       ... because they could argue that the interview-

   28. HPHasan Piker21:11

       Platforming

   29. TNTrevor Noah21:11

       ... was platforming them-

   30. HPHasan Piker21:12

       Yeah.
8. 21:58 – 26:01

   Death Threats, Doxxing & Living as a Political Streamer

   1. HPHasan Piker21:59

      they will understand and they will change their minds.

   2. TNTrevor Noah22:01

      Yeah, but what I mean is, like, I'm just talking about you on a human level. How has it affected how you move through the world? So the, there's, there's our front-facing selves-

   3. HPHasan Piker22:10

      Mm-hmm

   4. TNTrevor Noah22:11

      ... and then there's the us that we just live with every single day, like the person who hears a bump in the middle of the night, uh, the person who hears footsteps running behind them and it's a jogger. The ... Like, has, ha- ha- have you found that your nervous system has changed over the years that, that, you know, as your profile has, has, has evolved?

   5. HPHasan Piker22:27

      I mean, I've had to deal with cyber stalkers for most of my life before-

   6. TNTrevor Noah22:31

      Okay

   7. HPHasan Piker22:31

      ... I gained, like, more mainstream credibility and more mainstream attention.

   8. TNTrevor Noah22:35

      Yeah.

   9. HPHasan Piker22:35

      So I'm pretty used to, uh, being on the receiving end of death threats, doxxing, swatting, things of that nature, and unfortunately, it's, it's a, it's a part of the job. It shouldn't be. It's horrifying, uh, but you just kind of get used to it after a while.

   10. TNTrevor Noah22:51

       You, you say it's a part of the job, but, uh, r- I say this with all due respect, it's not necessarily.

   11. HPHasan Piker22:59

       Mm-hmm.

   12. TNTrevor Noah23:00

       It's a part of w- what your job has sort of become. Like-

   13. HPHasan Piker23:03

       Yeah

   14. TNTrevor Noah23:04

       ... like I, I, I think, I think you, you, um, you have a lot of bravery in saying this, but there's a lot of people who don't have this as a part of their job. Like, there's a lot of news anchors who don't have these issues.

   15. HPHasan Piker23:15

       Mm.

   16. TNTrevor Noah23:15

       There's a lot of people who are, you know, they're hosting, like, a debate show on, on cable television.

   17. EUEugene23:20

       Yeah, they go to war zones and-

   18. TNTrevor Noah23:20

       Yeah, yeah, yeah

   19. EUEugene23:21

       ... they come back and life goes on.

   20. TNTrevor Noah23:22

       They, they don't have this.

   21. EUEugene23:23

       Yeah.

   22. TNTrevor Noah23:23

       So, so I, I would love to know, like, when it, when it first started, like, what was the ... Which platform were you on where you started to notice, oh, I'm not just breaking through to the people I'm speaking to, but I'm starting to piss off the sp- the people I'm speaking against?

   23. HPHasan Piker23:36

       I mean, even when I was at The Young Turks-

   24. TNTrevor Noah23:38

       Yeah

   25. HPHasan Piker23:38

       ... um, all the way back in, like, 2014, 2015, uh, when I would, like, randomly appear on some of the shows, uh, and then certainly after 2016 when I had my own show on the, on the platform on, on Facebook, uh, called The Breakdown, where, uh, I, I started noticing that ... I think that was the first time I ever saw one of these forums-

   26. TNTrevor Noah23:58

       Mm

   27. HPHasan Piker23:59

       ... where, you know, neo-Nazis congregate, where they were, like, mapping out the blueprints of my, my apartment and the apartment complex in general.

   28. TNTrevor Noah24:07

       Oh, you're shitting me.

   29. HPHasan Piker24:08

       And, and, you know, talking about how I, I had two pit bulls. You know, my ... I had a pit bull, and my roommate had one as well, and they were talking about how, like, you need to come in with, like, a stick of salami or something to, like, bribe the dogs, and then, you know ... And how they would just, like, break in, uh, to my house and kill me. And that was terrifying when it first happened. Um, but that is so commonplace that I just don't even think of it. That was, you know, more than 10 years ago at this point. So, um, it's just, you know ... It, it, it's not something that I, I think about all that much.

   30. TNTrevor Noah24:42

       Yeah.
9. 26:01 – 27:27

   Streaming Politics Live for 8 Hours a Day

   1. TNTrevor Noah26:01

      what you're in, but, but I, I guess what intrigues me about you is how it doesn't seem to have necessarily changed you, or, or maybe it has and I, and I haven't seen it. You know?

   2. HPHasan Piker26:15

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TNTrevor Noah26:15

      So when you stream, one of the things about streaming that's unique is that, you know, as the name suggests, it's like a stream of consciousness.

   4. HPHasan Piker26:24

      Mm-hmm.

   5. TNTrevor Noah26:25

      You know? So when you on The Young Turks, you was, like, very prepared and, you know, this is something that's gonna be put out, a- and it can be edited and it can be-

   6. HPHasan Piker26:33

      Mm-hmm.

   7. TNTrevor Noah26:33

      But when you're streaming, it's you.

   8. HPHasan Piker26:35

      Yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah26:35

      You say something and it's out already.

   10. HPHasan Piker26:36

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. TNTrevor Noah26:36

       It's, it's ... I've always, I've always wondered how much stress that puts on you because, you know, when we, when we're saying stuff-

   12. HPHasan Piker26:44

       Mm

   13. TNTrevor Noah26:44

       ... anything can come out of your mouth.

   14. HPHasan Piker26:46

       Yeah.

   15. TNTrevor Noah26:46

       And then there's a moment where you go like, "Ah, damn."

   16. HPHasan Piker26:48

       Like all the stuff that's not gonna make it to the final cut that you said about-

   17. TNTrevor Noah26:51

       [laughs]

   18. HPHasan Piker26:52

       ... these state sponsored terrorist organizations.

   19. TNTrevor Noah26:54

       Too many things.

   20. HPHasan Piker26:55

       Which-

   21. TNTrevor Noah26:55

       You see this guy.

   22. HPHasan Piker26:56

       Yeah.

   23. TNTrevor Noah26:56

       You see this guy. [laughs]

   24. HPHasan Piker26:56

       Which made me sh- it shocked me. Did it shock you?

   25. TNTrevor Noah26:59

       Shocked?

   26. HPHasan Piker27:00

       Yeah.

   27. TNTrevor Noah27:01

       I was flabbergasted.

   28. HPHasan Piker27:02

       Yeah. I just, I had no idea.

   29. TNTrevor Noah27:03

       I couldn't believe what was going on. [laughs]

   30. HPHasan Piker27:04

       Oh, man. I had no idea what-
10. 27:27 – 31:16

    Political Commentary, Fake Personas & “Wrestling” in Media

    1. TNTrevor Noah27:27

       political commentary. A lot of how American political commentators act-

    2. HPHasan Piker27:36

       Mm

    3. TNTrevor Noah27:36

       ... is not sort of how they are.

    4. HPHasan Piker27:37

       Mm.

    5. TNTrevor Noah27:38

       And it's not how they feel.

    6. HPHasan Piker27:39

       Oh, yeah.

    7. TNTrevor Noah27:40

       It seems like-

    8. HPHasan Piker27:40

       So they put on a persona depending on who they're talking to.

    9. TNTrevor Noah27:42

       Yeah. And, and, and, and I feel like there's a lot of money to be made from doing this.

    10. HPHasan Piker27:45

        Oh, yeah.

    11. TNTrevor Noah27:45

        Right? There's a lot of, um-

    12. HPHasan Piker27:48

        Fame and reward

    13. TNTrevor Noah27:49

        ... there's a lot of fame, there's, there's a lot of power, but my issue is that it's not them. So I remember when ... The, the first time this, this happened to me, it was a rude awakening. I was ... I had been on The Daily Show for, like, a year or, or two years, and I got invited to an event. It was, like, the 100 m- most influential, like, newspeople in America-

    14. HPHasan Piker28:07

        Mm

    15. TNTrevor Noah28:07

        ... type thing, but it was only, like, journalists and news and whatever. And I get there, a- and I'll never forget, somebody from an extreme, like, right-wing publication, they came up to me, and they, when they walked up to me, I genuinely thought they were gonna fight. I was like, "Okay, I'm ready."

    16. HPHasan Piker28:23

        Mm.

    17. TNTrevor Noah28:23

        I just thought, "Okay, this person's coming to fight. I've talked shit about them and what they've said. I believe it genuinely."

    18. HPHasan Piker28:29

        Mm.

    19. TNTrevor Noah28:29

        "They're gonna fight me." And they came up to me and stretched out a hand and was like, "Hey, look at this guy. Hey, Trevor, how you doing, man? What's going on, huh? Look at this. Not bad, huh? Not bad." And I promise you now-

    20. HPHasan Piker28:40

        Hm

    21. TNTrevor Noah28:41

        ... not, not even God as my witness, Kibuka, anyone who worked with me at the time can tell you, the next day when I walked into the office-

    22. HPHasan Piker28:47

        So those are higher than God.

    23. TNTrevor Noah28:48

        Yeah, because you can't ask God.

    24. HPHasan Piker28:49

        That's crazy.

    25. TNTrevor Noah28:49

        Maybe God will tell you a different thing.

    26. HPHasan Piker28:50

        That's crazy.

    27. TNTrevor Noah28:51

        No, because God is-

    28. HPHasan Piker28:51

        All the stuff that he said. [laughs]

    29. TNTrevor Noah28:52

        Yeah.

    30. HPHasan Piker28:53

        Because what?
11. 31:16 – 35:34

    The White House Correspondents Dinner & Media Theater

    1. TNTrevor Noah31:16

       a character version of themselves?

    2. HPHasan Piker31:18

       Uh, so w- w- I had the almost identical experience that you're describing when I went to the White House, uh, Correspondents' Dinner weekend activities. Uh, one of the weekends many, many years ago-

    3. TNTrevor Noah31:31

       Yeah

    4. HPHasan Piker31:31

       ... when I was at The Young Turks, and they were throwing an event. I didn't actually attend the, uh, the, the event itself, but I walked into a bar, and this is at the peak of, like, Trump one. All of a sudden, the entire press is there, right? The press pool is there. All these commentary people are there, and I think it was Kellyanne Conway that walked into the bar, and the room lit up 'cause everyone was excited. Anthony Scaramucci, Sean Spicer, all these people walk in, and these liberal, uh, uh, these liberal commentary people, these journalists who have, like, uh, written scathing reports-

    5. TNTrevor Noah32:09

       Yeah

    6. HPHasan Piker32:09

       ... about these people were excited to take photos with them.

    7. TNTrevor Noah32:12

       No. Yes.

    8. HPHasan Piker32:12

       And-

    9. TNTrevor Noah32:13

       Yes, this thing.

    10. HPHasan Piker32:14

        And-

    11. TNTrevor Noah32:14

        This is the thing I'm talking about

    12. HPHasan Piker32:14

        ... and that's where I, I was reminded of... And I hate this guy, obviously, rest in piss, Andrew Breitbart, but, uh, I was reminded of his, his statement about how DC is Hollywood for ugly people.

    13. TNTrevor Noah32:25

        [laughs]

    14. HPHasan Piker32:26

        It's true. I mean, sometimes you can be an asshole, but you can get it right. Um, and he was right about that. It is Hollywood for ugly people, where it, it's, it's for the most part, the, the kayfabe is absolutely real. Like, these guys see what they're doing as, as, uh, theatrics for the most part. They don't, like-

    15. TNTrevor Noah32:44

        Wow

    16. HPHasan Piker32:44

        ... not to say that all reporters are like this, obviously not.

    17. TNTrevor Noah32:47

        Yeah.

    18. HPHasan Piker32:48

        Uh, there's some brilliant journalists out there and, and some great, uh, people in the commentary sphere as well, and there's certainly issues that they do care about, right? Where they are uncompromising, where their true side comes out.

    19. TNTrevor Noah33:01

        Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    20. HPHasan Piker33:01

        Their true opinions come out. But for the most part, everyone in that bubble, in the media bubble is, is playing a role, and they, they see it as such. And maybe it's, uh, it's not dissimilar to, I guess, like, having a coworker that you disagree with vehemently-

    21. TNTrevor Noah33:18

        Hmm

    22. HPHasan Piker33:18

        ... but, you know, you're chill towards them at the, at the water cooler. I don't know. Uh, maybe it's something like that, but I don't, I don't like that at all because, like, these are my real opinions. I can't lie about who I am because I'm live for eight hours a day, seven days a week.

    23. TNTrevor Noah33:33

        Yeah, that's what I was... That's what I meant.

    24. HPHasan Piker33:34

        It's impossible for me to put on a persona. I can be, uh, more buttoned up in moments like this on a podcast where I'm not, like, you know, inundated with messages coming in from the side-

    25. TNTrevor Noah33:45

        Yeah, the chat

    26. HPHasan Piker33:46

        ... on the chat.

    27. TNTrevor Noah33:46

        Mm-hmm.

    28. HPHasan Piker33:47

        Um, because, like, the, the medium that I occupy is, is very interactive. That's what makes it so different.

    29. TNTrevor Noah33:52

        Right.

    30. HPHasan Piker33:52

        But the issues I talk about are, are emotionally charged and, and very, uh, personal for a lot of people, right?
12. 35:34 – 42:17

    “Joe Rogan of the Left” & the Democratic Party’s Crisis

    1. HPHasan Piker35:34

       bold advocates, uh, to, to, you know, make people's lives a little bit better than it actually is, people who do believe in that.

    2. TNTrevor Noah35:40

       Hmm.

    3. HPHasan Piker35:40

       People who are considered radical, I guess, for American politics. Not so radical for European politics. I mean, Bernie Sanders would be the average politician in Norway, right? His attitude-

    4. TNTrevor Noah35:51

       His views, yeah. His ideas, yeah

    5. HPHasan Piker35:52

       ... his views are not radical at all. As a matter of fact, he would, uh, he'd probably, uh, slot into, like, a center, maybe even a center right party-

    6. TNTrevor Noah36:00

       [laughs] Yeah

    7. HPHasan Piker36:00

       ... in, in some of these countries, right? Or at least his output. But in America, if you're, uh, advancing the interests of Medicare for all, the interests of the, uh, the people over interests of corporations and profit, you're seen as this, like, crazy guy.

    8. TNTrevor Noah36:14

       A lot of people have started referring to you as the Joe Rogan of the Left.

    9. HPHasan Piker36:18

       [laughs]

    10. TNTrevor Noah36:19

        How, how do you, how do you feel about that? I, I mean, I have my opinions, but I wanna know 'cause you're the person they're speaking about-

    11. HPHasan Piker36:24

        Yeah

    12. TNTrevor Noah36:24

        ... you know, what you think about it.

    13. HPHasan Piker36:25

        I mean, I think Joe Rogan is, is a goon. [laughs] But, uh-

    14. TNTrevor Noah36:29

        A goon?

    15. HPHasan Piker36:30

        Yeah, he's-

    16. TNTrevor Noah36:30

        What a funny word. [laughs]

    17. HPHasan Piker36:31

        He's, he's kind of a dumbass, but-

    18. TNTrevor Noah36:33

        Not a word my friend would use.

    19. HPHasan Piker36:35

        [laughs]

    20. TNTrevor Noah36:35

        A goon. That's not me.

    21. HPHasan Piker36:37

        Yeah, yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah36:37

        I'm not a goon. [laughs]

    23. HPHasan Piker36:38

        Yeah. Trevor would never say Joe Rogan's a goon.

    24. TNTrevor Noah36:41

        Yeah, goon. No, not goon.

    25. HPHasan Piker36:41

        Trevor would say friend.

    26. TNTrevor Noah36:43

        Yeah.

    27. HPHasan Piker36:44

        Uh, confidante.

    28. TNTrevor Noah36:45

        Comrade.

    29. HPHasan Piker36:45

        Trusted confidante.

    30. TNTrevor Noah36:46

        Yeah.
13. 42:17 – 49:11

    Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton & Misogyny in Politics

    1. TNTrevor Noah42:19

       There, there are a ton of articles written about you, as you're saying, from the left just about, like, how this guy's the worst thing to happen-

    2. HPHasan Piker42:27

       Yeah

    3. TNTrevor Noah42:27

       ... to the Democratic Party and this guy is, i- you, you are destabilizing what doesn't need to be more destabilized. You are ... You know, it's funny. I actually, I actually wanna know what, what you think. I'm torn on the Kamala and Hillary thing because we are unable to run multiple simulati- lations of our lives, uh, or at least, like, we don't know if we can. We always say that Hillary lost because of her messaging, blah, blah, blah. We say that Kamala Harris lost because of her messaging, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I sometimes think we take for granted the fact that they were both women. And I don't know how much you lose by being a woman running for president. America has never had a woman president.

    4. HPHasan Piker43:06

       Trevor Noah is a radical misogynist.

    5. EUEugene43:08

       Never had a woman-

    6. TNTrevor Noah43:08

       No, you can ... [laughs] 'Cause obviously I'm-

    7. HPHasan Piker43:10

       Trevor Noah, don't run women.

    8. TNTrevor Noah43:12

       [laughs]

    9. EUEugene43:12

       [laughs]

    10. TNTrevor Noah43:12

        This is how we get the clicks.

    11. HPHasan Piker43:13

        Yeah.

    12. TNTrevor Noah43:13

        This is how we ... No, but what I'm, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is this, right? Donald Trump lost an election.

    13. EUEugene43:18

        Mm-hmm.

    14. TNTrevor Noah43:19

        Who did he lose to? A man. [laughs] No, no, stick with me on this, right?

    15. HPHasan Piker43:24

        Okay.

    16. EUEugene43:24

        An old man.

    17. TNTrevor Noah43:25

        An old man-

    18. HPHasan Piker43:25

        Yeah

    19. TNTrevor Noah43:25

        ... who had never beaten anyone in any major election.

    20. HPHasan Piker43:28

        Yeah.

    21. EUEugene43:28

        Or fist fight.

    22. TNTrevor Noah43:29

        Y- [laughs]

    23. HPHasan Piker43:31

        Yeah. Well, you don't know that.

    24. TNTrevor Noah43:32

        [laughs]

    25. EUEugene43:33

        I think he was-

    26. TNTrevor Noah43:34

        But I-

    27. EUEugene43:34

        Yeah. [laughs]

    28. HPHasan Piker43:34

        I agree. But yeah.

    29. EUEugene43:35

        [laughs]

    30. HPHasan Piker43:35

        I don't know.
14. 49:11 – 52:40

    Bernie Sanders, Trump & Why Anti-Establishment Politics Works

    1. HPHasan Piker49:11

       middle name is Hussein-

    2. TNTrevor Noah49:12

       Yes

    3. HPHasan Piker49:12

       ... and you're running, um, there's gonna be hurdles that you have to climb.

    4. TNTrevor Noah49:17

       Yes.

    5. HPHasan Piker49:17

       And you can overcome those hurdles. My problem with Kamala Harris was-

    6. TNTrevor Noah49:21

       Yes, you can

    7. HPHasan Piker49:22

       ... that she recognized, she understood that there were hurdles. She's is a Black woman, uh, running against a white supremacist, uh, like Donald Trump. But she didn't have the campaign-

    8. TNTrevor Noah49:35

       No, I agree with you

    9. HPHasan Piker49:35

       ... and the, and the platform-

    10. EUEugene49:37

        Mm

    11. HPHasan Piker49:37

        ... that would actually convince people that this was someone to vote for.

    12. TNTrevor Noah49:40

        I, I-

    13. EUEugene49:41

        Mm

    14. TNTrevor Noah49:41

        ... completely agree with you there.

    15. HPHasan Piker49:42

        So I don't discount the notion that, uh, you know, people who are not old white guys are gonna have a harder go at it. That's certainly true. But I think they can overcome that with good policies. And if you want, you can have a old white guy as well, Bernie Sanders. He had the good policies.

    16. TNTrevor Noah49:59

        People loved him.

    17. HPHasan Piker50:00

        Yeah.

    18. TNTrevor Noah50:01

        I think in every poll, and I stand to be corrected 'cause there are many polls-

    19. EUEugene50:04

        Mm-hmm

    20. TNTrevor Noah50:05

        ... I know this, but in most polls where he was up against Trump, he won.

    21. HPHasan Piker50:09

        Yeah.

    22. EUEugene50:10

        Mm.

    23. HPHasan Piker50:10

        Yeah, and Trump knew that, too.

    24. TNTrevor Noah50:12

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. EUEugene50:12

        Really?

    26. HPHasan Piker50:13

        Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah50:13

        Yeah, every time they, they asked people Bernie versus Trump, Bernie would win.

    28. HPHasan Piker50:16

        Yeah. Now people will say-

    29. EUEugene50:18

        Oh

    30. HPHasan Piker50:18

        ... "Oh, well, Hillary Clinton would've won in those polls, too," which is true, but I think what the people were looking for at that point, and are still looking for really, was an anti-establishment candidate, someone... Because they came at it with the recognition that the system wasn't working for them, right? In all of the different parts of the country that are forgotten, whether it's West Virginia or Gary, Indiana-
15. 52:40 – 55:30

    Why Americans Feel Disconnected From Politics

    1. EUEugene52:40

       you being in there, what do people want now?

    2. HPHasan Piker52:43

       I think most people, uh, don't really know what they want, and there is a very sophisticated influence-peddling operation that is actively subverting democracy. So-

    3. TNTrevor Noah52:55

       Damn, say more

    4. HPHasan Piker52:56

       ... it's not a secret, it's not a secret that, uh, Americans are not the most educated. They don't have a lot of political education. They don't have a profound understanding of, of history. Um, and I think that's by design as well. I mean, our, our institutions are crippled, public education, public schooling in general, and I think that's deliberate, especially since the Reagan era. Um, but outside of that, most people are just kind of operating off of vibes. Most people are not voting. The plurality is usually not voting.

    5. TNTrevor Noah53:23

       Yeah.

    6. HPHasan Piker53:23

       Right? Uh, but out of the people that are voting, and there's a multitude of factors for that. There's the electoral college and, and, uh, uh, the fact that you vote not on a, you know, federal holiday-

    7. TNTrevor Noah53:34

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

    8. HPHasan Piker53:34

       ... but on a workday, on a Tuesday. That's, these are-

    9. TNTrevor Noah53:38

       Hurdles

    10. HPHasan Piker53:38

        ... specific hurdles designed to stop certain people from voting. And so most people need a buy-in. They, they, they need something to motivate them to go out and vote, and if the Democratic Party's, uh, modus operandi is to say, "Look, the other side is so much worse than us. Come on. Just vote for us. Who are you gonna vote for? Nobody? Come on," and then most people go, "All right, bet, I'll vote for nobody. Neither party is, uh, representing my interests-

    11. TNTrevor Noah54:03

        Yeah

    12. HPHasan Piker54:03

        ... and I don't really care. It doesn't really matter. I have to go back to work every morning. I have to focus on my life. I have to go-

    13. TNTrevor Noah54:09

        Yeah

    14. HPHasan Piker54:09

        ... deliver Uber. Uh, why do I care about, uh, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican ruining my life?" But most people rate the party as the national Democratic Party and the national Republican Party, and they look at the output and, and they grade the National Democratic Party off of its weakest, uh, individuals, off of its weakest members.

    15. TNTrevor Noah54:30

        Yeah.

    16. HPHasan Piker54:30

        There's a concept called the rotating villain within the Democratic Party's, uh, infrastructure, where there's always a vote that will spoil a radical agenda that a Democrat runs on. This happened with Joe Biden. It was Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema that, uh, that undermined Build Back Better, the IRA, and, and watered it down tremendously.

    17. TNTrevor Noah54:49

        Is this a formal thing you're saying or, or are you saying it just, uh, you notice it in trends, patterns?

    18. HPHasan Piker54:53

        That's, that's what we, that's what we call it in, I guess, poli sci, and that's what-

    19. TNTrevor Noah54:56

        Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

    20. HPHasan Piker54:56

        ... you know, that's what, uh, uh, people in their commentary call it.

    21. TNTrevor Noah54:58

        So, so it's one person, one person within the Democratic Party-

    22. HPHasan Piker55:00

        Not one. Usually it's a, there's always a, a... Depending. If there's six people-

    23. TNTrevor Noah55:05

        Okay, but they are the rotating. So they go like, "Okay, you guys-

    24. HPHasan Piker55:07

        Yeah

    25. TNTrevor Noah55:07

        ... are gonna be the villains for this run."

    26. HPHasan Piker55:09

        Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah55:10

        "You're gonna vote against everything that is progressive that the people want."

    28. HPHasan Piker55:13

        Yeah.

    29. EUEugene55:13

        Mm.

    30. HPHasan Piker55:13

        Yeah.
16. 55:30 – 58:38

    Democrats, Corporations & Why Medicare for All Never Happens

    1. HPHasan Piker55:30

       voice that voted against the War Powers Resolution.

    2. TNTrevor Noah55:33

       Huh.

    3. HPHasan Piker55:34

       And there's always a guy. Joe Lieberman-

    4. EUEugene55:36

       [laughs]

    5. HPHasan Piker55:36

       ... under the Barack Obama coalition was the sole vote that stopped the public option from being advanced, which would've been radical change in this country.

    6. TNTrevor Noah55:45

       Is this happening on the Republican side as well as much?

    7. HPHasan Piker55:48

       No. The Republicans are, uh... The Republicans, I think, are much better at, at whipping votes, uh, because they're, they're, not necessarily because they're more organized, but because they can be open about being pro-corporation. Like, that's their whole thing.

    8. TNTrevor Noah56:02

       Mm.

    9. HPHasan Piker56:02

       Whereas the Democrats, on the other hand, run against corporations, but when they're-

    10. TNTrevor Noah56:05

        Publicly

    11. HPHasan Piker56:05

        ... but when they're legislating, they still have to be very cognizant of the, the, uh, corporate investors, the real benefactors, the corporate benefactors. And any Democratic Party initiative that they advance Will actually harm one sector's, uh, uh, investment and... Or one sector's, uh, i- interest and profit.

    12. TNTrevor Noah56:27

        Mm.

    13. HPHasan Piker56:29

        So they can't really do that.

    14. TNTrevor Noah56:30

        So do you think if they were to-

    15. HPHasan Piker56:31

        Because if they were to advance Medicare for All-

    16. TNTrevor Noah56:32

        Yeah

    17. HPHasan Piker56:32

        ... let's take that for, uh, uh, one policy that is unbelievably popular. Every other OECD nation has one form of socialized healthcare-

    18. TNTrevor Noah56:39

        Right.

    19. EUEugene56:40

        Yeah

    20. HPHasan Piker56:40

        ... except for us. Um, there's, uh, reporting on this. I believe it's up to 48,000 people every year that die because they don't have access to healthcare-

    21. TNTrevor Noah56:48

        48,000

    22. HPHasan Piker56:48

        ... in the wealthiest nation on the planet. Like, they, uh, they could just go to the, they could go to their primary care physicians and, like, figure out what's wrong with them ahead of time or, you know, get the necessary help.

    23. TNTrevor Noah56:59

        No way, Hasan.

    24. HPHasan Piker56:59

        Yeah. I mean, it's a Yale study. No, I think the numbers might even be higher than that. I, I find it unbelievable as well. It's, it's, it's just ri- ridiculous number, right? So, um, people want this. Why don't the Democrats advocate for it? Why do the Democrats actually actively push back against it, as Joe Biden did in the 2020 primaries, in the 2019 primaries when Bernie was the Medicare for All candidate?

    25. TNTrevor Noah57:23

        Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    26. HPHasan Piker57:23

        Joe Biden came out and he's like, "Oh, I want the public option, Jack." Never talked about it again, by the way, after.

    27. TNTrevor Noah57:28

        That's a good Joe Biden, by the way.

    28. EUEugene57:28

        That was a-

    29. HPHasan Piker57:28

        Yeah

    30. TNTrevor Noah57:28

        That's a great Joe Biden
17. 58:38 – 1:01:33

    Democratic Socialism, Zohran Mamdani & Political Change

    1. HPHasan Piker58:38

       how cruel it is, and that's just how it works. Uh, so that's also part of the reason why I go back to how frustrated a lot of these think tanks are about me and have been written ex- writing extensively about the dangers that I present-

    2. TNTrevor Noah58:52

       Yeah

    3. HPHasan Piker58:52

       ... for the Democratic Party because now I've, uh, I've moved on from just talking about how shit the Democrats are to actually working with other, uh, you know, on-the-ground groups and organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and numerous other orgs to actually run candidates-

    4. TNTrevor Noah59:08

       Mm

    5. HPHasan Piker59:08

       ... that are pro Medicare for All, that are uncompromising on the issue of Israel, where they're like, "I'm an anti-Zionist. Why are we giving unlimited bombs to this country that's doing war crimes, that's doing a genocide?" And that's a very frustrating reality for the Democrats because the more Zohran Mamdanis that they see all around the country pop up-

    6. TNTrevor Noah59:26

       Yeah, popping up

    7. HPHasan Piker59:27

       ... and the more grassroots momentum that these people have, the more people are gonna look at that and go, "Wait a minute. You said Zohran was gonna be incompetent. You said he was gonna be a scary commie."

    8. TNTrevor Noah59:39

       Mm. Yep. And yet the budget is balanced and-

    9. HPHasan Piker59:41

       Yeah, budget's balanced. He's one of the best mayors that New York has had. Uh, it just... Every time I come here, it feels like I'm a, I'm, I'm entering an alternative universe where, like, things are working somehow. It's ridiculous. Like, we're watching from afar, uh, a, a, a totally different reality in New York City, totally different vibes. Um, why can't we have that? And once people start asking that question, once people start believing that the government can help and the government should help-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:00:07

        Should help, yeah

    11. HPHasan Piker1:00:08

        ... yes, once they have more confidence in good governance, and once they associate that confidence with Democratic socialism, socialism, communism, um, all of a sudden, people are gonna want that. And we've seen that in the polls as well. We've seen that in the membership with the DSA, uh, which crossed the threshold of 100,000 paid members, a very significant, uh, number. Uh, and we've certainly seen that with, uh, the approval ratings for Democratic socialism in general, uh, where I believe it's like, uh, i- in certain polls it's like the pl- uh, either the plurality or the majority of Democrats, uh, say they have sympathies for Democratic socialism or even self-identify, around, like, 44% self-identify as Democratic socialists within the Democratic Party.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:00:51

        So when you look at the young people in those worlds and specific... 'Cause I'm assuming your audience skews young just because of streaming. This is an assumption that I have.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:00:58

        Mm-hmm.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:00:58

        Like, on that platform-

    15. HPHasan Piker1:00:59

        Yeah

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:00:59

        ... um, specifically.

    17. HPHasan Piker1:01:00

        Definitely.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:01:00

        'Cause I know on YouTube you've got a different viewership. You, you know, you're on Instagram, et cetera, et cetera. But w- what do you think the Democratic establishment is missing about how young people are viewing all of this right now? Because you, you, you, you're speaking to young people.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:01:16

        Mm-hmm.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:01:17

        And young people are watching you in a very specific way. What are they missing? That, what are they missing that the Republicans don't seem to be missing, I should say?

    21. HPHasan Piker1:01:24

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:01:24

        'Cause the, 'cause on the Republican side it seems like they've got their young men on lock.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:01:27

        Yeah. Well, they have a different cris- or a similar crisis on the Republican side as well for youth vote and

18. 1:01:33 – 1:03:21

    Young Voters, Israel & the Future of Both Parties

    1. HPHasan Piker1:01:33

       youth turnout right now.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:01:33

       Oh, no. Sure, sure.

    3. HPHasan Piker1:01:34

       And it's actually Israel 'cause, uh, I believe-

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:01:37

       That has become the lightning rod.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:01:38

       Yeah.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:01:39

       Yeah.

    7. HPHasan Piker1:01:39

       Uh, I believe it's 54% of Republicans under the age of 55 have a negative opinion of Israel. That is a crisis-

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:01:47

       Yeah

    9. HPHasan Piker1:01:47

       ... for the state. That is a crisis for the Republican Party that wants to maintain unlimited loyalty to Israel, and that's certainly a crisis for Israel in general that cannot exist, especially in the violent ways that it currently does in the maintenance of an apartheid and, and constant territorial expansion, without unlimited support from the United States of America and the rest of the Western world-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:02:07

        Mm

    11. HPHasan Piker1:02:07

        ... uh, and, and without the political cover that America offers as the hegemon. So that's a huge problem. If they lose the Republicans, it's over, okay? Israel's done. Um-

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:02:17

        That's gonna be clipped.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:02:18

        Yeah.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:02:18

        What you mean is the way it's currently-

    15. HPHasan Piker1:02:20

        Oh, I've said way worse things about Israel

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:02:21

        ... the way it's currently existing... You know clips, bro.

    17. HPHasan Piker1:02:24

        [laughs]

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:02:24

        This guy's clipping.

    19. EUEugene1:02:25

        Clip that one.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:02:25

        Clip, clip that one.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:02:26

        Yeah, yeah.

    22. EUEugene1:02:26

        Clip him explaining-

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:02:27

        Clip, clip him saying clip.

    24. EUEugene1:02:28

        Don't clip.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:02:29

        Yeah, yeah.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:02:29

        Clip, clip, clip him saying clip.

    27. EUEugene1:02:30

        Clip, clip yourself clipping that.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:02:31

        Clip, clip, clip him.

    29. HPHasan Piker1:02:32

        Listen, listen.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:02:33

        Clip, clip, clip him.
19. 1:03:21 – 1:05:15

    Why Socialism Is Becoming More Popular in America

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:03:21

       Do you think it's a, do you think it's a ripple or do you think it's gonna be a wave?

    2. HPHasan Piker1:03:24

       Um, I think it's gonna be a wave. I mean, they're trying to stop it, for sure. They are doing everything they can to stop this momentum, to stop this, uh, this, uh, insurgent campaigning that's taking place all around the country right now.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:03:39

       How, how do you think the messaging has ch- or, or what do you think is going right in the messaging? Because a few years ago when you said the word socialist in any way, the first thing most Americans would say is, "Those are the people who come and take your money. You can't own anything."

    4. HPHasan Piker1:03:56

       Yeah.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:03:56

       "You can't work towards anything. There's no point in having a job."

    6. HPHasan Piker1:03:59

       You can't be wealthy.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:04:00

       "You can't build wealth. You can't," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That used to be almost across the board what people would say.

    8. HPHasan Piker1:04:05

       Yeah.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:04:05

       Right? Now to your point, whether it's polling, whether it's online conversations, where it seems like people are shifting, but there's, there's, there's, there's two interesting sides to it. There's one where people are going, "That's not what socialism is."

    10. HPHasan Piker1:04:17

        Mm-hmm.

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:04:17

        Or democratic socialism.

    12. HPHasan Piker1:04:18

        Mm-hmm.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:04:19

        And then there's another side going, "Let them take all the money and let them ..." You know, where they're going, "I, I still think it's that, but I'm actually happy."

    14. HPHasan Piker1:04:25

        Mm. Yeah.

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:04:25

        "I want them to take everything away."

    16. HPHasan Piker1:04:27

        Yeah.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:04:27

        And they want them to ... So, like, what do you think is resonating about that message specifically?

    18. HPHasan Piker1:04:33

        I think it's the, it's the contradictions. They're worsening and they're becoming more apparent, and people are cognizant of the reality that they experience pain.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:04:42

        Mm.

    20. HPHasan Piker1:04:43

        And they understandably blame the system for it. So they go, "This is not working for me. I need an alternative. And this alternative seems fine. I mean, I'm, I'm willing to try this out." Even in a country as propagandized, at the heart of empire, the country that won the Cold War, uh, the country that is the, the, uh, defender of, the ultimate defender of capitalism, uh, has, has destroyed the living standards of its own citizens to such a degree-

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:05:10

        Sure

    22. HPHasan Piker1:05:10

        ... that they go, "You know, I, I don't believe the Red Scare propaganda, actually.

20. 1:05:15 – 1:08:58

    “Vibecession” & Why Americans Feel Gaslit About the Economy

    1. HPHasan Piker1:05:15

       Or even if I do believe it, I like it," like you said.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:05:17

       Yeah.

    3. HPHasan Piker1:05:18

       Um, that's because people are suffering and they, they want an alternative. And, and in some ways that's what Donald Trump did in both 2016, and then when those wounds were not healed or addressed after four years of Biden-

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:05:32

       Yeah

    5. HPHasan Piker1:05:32

       ... and the only thing people remember from the Biden-

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:05:34

       Mm

    7. HPHasan Piker1:05:34

       ... uh, administration was, uh, uh, negative real wage growth for one and a half years, uh, as a lot of these economists, and they're still doing this by the way, kept saying, "Well, this is a vibecession actually."

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:05:46

       [laughs]

    9. HPHasan Piker1:05:46

       "Things are great, uh, on the economy front. What are you guys complaining about?" I mean, I have-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:05:51

        Where do you get these terms?

    11. HPHasan Piker1:05:52

        What?

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:05:52

        Vibecession. You're making us sound old.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:05:54

        No, that's what-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:05:55

        No, that's what they said

    15. HPHasan Piker1:05:55

        ... that's what they said.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:05:56

        That's what they said?

    17. HPHasan Piker1:05:56

        Yeah.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:05:57

        Yeah, because what they said was ... It's really interesting how they, how they phrase this, right?

    19. HPHasan Piker1:05:59

        Mm-hmm.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:06:00

        What they try and do is, especially the people who run, like, media in the biggest way, what they do is they'll try and tell you as people on the ground that what you're experiencing is not real.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:06:10

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:06:12

        You, you ... These are your feelings.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:06:13

        Mm.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:06:13

        The economy is doing better than ever.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:06:15

        Yeah.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:06:15

        Now-

    27. EUEugene1:06:15

        You have no idea what we're doing in the background.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:06:17

        Yeah, but, but work-

    29. EUEugene1:06:18

        We're working towards. Yeah

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:06:18

        ... no, but they even go like, "Your life is better. Even though you don't think your life is better-
21. 1:08:58 – 1:11:07

    Trump vs Democrats: Why One Side Feels Decisive

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:08:58

       and I think people are noticing en masse. Whether you are for or against the Republican Party, I mean, now really it's the Donald Trump Party, 'cause it's, it's not-

    2. HPHasan Piker1:09:08

       Yeah

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:09:08

       ... it's not what it was as a machine before. It is the Donald Trump Party.

    4. HPHasan Piker1:09:10

       Yeah.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:09:12

       It does what it says in many ways. Now, there's many things where it doesn't, but it like, so you know they go like, "Oh, but he didn't build a wall." It's like, yeah, but he sort of did.

    6. HPHasan Piker1:09:20

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:09:21

       He didn't build the physical wall-

    8. HPHasan Piker1:09:22

       Mm

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:09:22

       ... but he built a wall, if you're honest. If you look at, like, the visas, the bans-

    10. HPHasan Piker1:09:26

        Yeah

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:09:26

        ... how few people actually can come into America now, how few people-

    12. HPHasan Piker1:09:28

        The deportations

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:09:28

        ... can get jobs, deportee.

    14. HPHasan Piker1:09:30

        Yeah.

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:09:30

        He, he built the wall. You know, you go like, "Oh, no, I'm gonna shut this down." I'm like, he did trade wars, et cetera, et cetera.

    16. HPHasan Piker1:09:35

        Yeah.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:09:36

        He's sort of doing the thing. Whether it's good for the country or not is a separate conversation, 'cause I mean, you look at your bank balance and ask yourself, right?

    18. HPHasan Piker1:09:44

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:09:44

        Not you.

    20. HPHasan Piker1:09:44

        Yeah.

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:09:45

        Not you. But then on the other side, it feels like the Democrats, Donald Trump comes in and opens up a toolbox of government.

    22. HPHasan Piker1:09:54

        Mm-hmm.

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:09:54

        And then the Democrats come in and they go, "Ah, we, we don't, we don't really have any tools." And it's like, that guy's got hammers, he's got screwdrivers-

    24. HPHasan Piker1:10:01

        Yeah

    25. TNTrevor Noah1:10:01

        ... he's got, he can build or dismantle anything.

    26. HPHasan Piker1:10:04

        Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah1:10:04

        And then every time the Democrats po- get power, they go, "Yeah, w- let, let's just keep it the way it is, and let's be grateful-"

    28. HPHasan Piker1:10:10

        Yeah

    29. TNTrevor Noah1:10:10

        "... that it still exists."

    30. HPHasan Piker1:10:11

        Or let's balance the budget and it's like-
22. 1:11:07 – 1:15:22

    Obamacare, Healthcare & Republican Messaging

    1. HPHasan Piker1:11:07

       order if necessary."

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:11:07

       Yeah.

    3. HPHasan Piker1:11:07

       "I don't care."

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:11:07

       And then you're gonna have to work backwards.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:11:09

       Yeah.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:11:09

       Mm.

    7. HPHasan Piker1:11:10

       So, so, um, obviously, uh, there was, uh, a, a reluctance to, to, you know, break things, uh, with, um, uh, this, this rapid, uh, successive attacks against the Republicans. They didn't do that. Um, but in that process, the Republicans had an opportunity to lie about what the ACA was. They said there, it was death panels.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:11:32

       Death panels.

    9. HPHasan Piker1:11:32

       Yeah, they said, um, uh, obviously one of the most radical, uh, propositions in the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, was, uh, the, the, uh, uh, provision that insurance companies, private healthcare providers, would no longer be able to deny coverage to people for preexisting conditions. Now, w- that is such an inhumane-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:11:53

        Yeah

    11. HPHasan Piker1:11:53

        ... concept, and it's so insane because we live in the post-Obamacare world where healthcare companies can't do that, that people don't believe that that was the norm. And people don't believe that Republicans, some of which are still in office, were actively advocating against that.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:12:09

        Yeah. Hm.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:12:10

        It's such a, it's such an inhumane thing. It's, it's a normal part of Republican policymaking that, that most Republicans, there's a poll on this, Republican voters don't believe the actual impact of the Republican legislative agenda when they're asked about it, where they'll, they'll go, "Okay, uh, you wanna vote for Republicans? Republicans are against abortion. Abortion is murder." They're like, "Yes, I'm against abortion. Abortion is murder." So when they actually are faced with the impact, and we saw this happen in the lead up to the 2024 election, when they recognize, "Oh my God, uh, if we, you know, ban abortions, then my daughter might not be able to get a, a, an emergency, uh, abortion to take care of an ectopic pregnancy. This is now a real crisis, a real healthcare crisis," they change their tune real quick. Um, so they don't even believe how violent their legislative agenda is that they're pushing, that they're, uh, that they're advancing, the Republican voters. Um, and, and that is a real problem. The other problem is it's much easier to break things, especially if you are, uh, directionally on the side of capital. If you're a capitalist, if you're openly on the side of corporations, as Republicans are, it's much easier to move in that direction. Uh, Democrats, on the other hand, have a base that is in some ways maybe not a card-carrying communist or whatever-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:13:29

        Yeah

    15. HPHasan Piker1:13:30

        ... but, like, anti-capitalist in certain, uh, instances. Like, they are against, uh, profit-seeking from corporations. If you want regulations, uh, like environmental, uh, regulations to, to protect certain, uh, uh, you know, natural resources like the water supply, all of a sudden you're harming, uh, the, the profits of DuPont, right?

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:13:51

        [laughs]

    17. HPHasan Piker1:13:51

        DuPont just wants to dump chemicals and, and y- you know, whatever they want o- off of their factories directly into the water supply and dilute the water supply with, uh, toxic pollutants.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:14:00

        Mm.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:14:01

        That's very profitable for them to do so. Now the Democrats all of a sudden have to punish DuPont. Republicans never have to do that. Republicans are never gonna punish DuPont. They're, they say, "No, it's great." Uh, they say, "Oh-"

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:14:12

        They say it'll figure itself out most of the time.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:14:14

        It, it'll figure itself out.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:14:15

        Yeah.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:14:15

        Or they do this thing where they're like, "Transgender people," and then they walk the other direction, right? Like, they'll be like, "Oh, DuPont Chemical? Okay."

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:14:22

        Mm.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:14:22

        "Have you thought about trans people existing? Isn't that weird and fucked up?" And then everyone's like, "Yeah, actually, that's right. Transgender people do exist, and I fucking hate that." [laughs]

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:14:32

        You could, the smartest thing you can do to distract people from a real issue is to bring up an issue that doesn't actually affect their real lives-

    27. HPHasan Piker1:14:39

        Yeah

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:14:39

        ... their daily lives, but is easier to grasp and, and dispute or argue.

    29. HPHasan Piker1:14:45

        Mm. Yeah.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:14:46

        Because it's just, it's just [sighs] What is the chemi- how much should a company be able to dispose, or where should they dispose, or how should they, what are the classes of different chemicals, and how far is a river from a residential place and-
23. 1:15:22 – 1:18:30

    Why Hasan Started Streaming Politics on Twitch

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:15:22

       a better term, it, it feels like it's, it's metastasized in America. But the world you're in feels like it's fledgling. It feels like something's changing. It feels like something's growing.

    2. HPHasan Piker1:15:33

       Mm-hmm.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:15:34

       Like, I wanna, I wanna tap into that world and understand a little bit more about it. Like, w- like why streaming? You, you, you could have done anything else online.

    4. HPHasan Piker1:15:45

       Mm-hmm.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:15:45

       But why streaming in particular?

    6. HPHasan Piker1:15:48

       Um, well, when I started, uh, streaming, I feel like it was different overall. We didn't have the Claviculers of the world, right? I mean, there were different versions of that even before my time, but they were nowhere near as popular.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:16:01

       Yeah.

    8. HPHasan Piker1:16:01

       It hadn't reached, like, mass popularity. I think it was Ninja that, like, did the Drake collab of Fortnite.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:16:05

       Right, right.

    10. HPHasan Piker1:16:06

        And, and that's when people were like, "Whoa, what is this, uh, what is this sector? What is going on here?" And, and people started paying attention to it. Um, but at that point, most people were just playing video games. I came in, and I was like, "I'm not gonna play video games." I'm not very good at video games. I mean, I, I did play video games initially. But I was like, "I wanna do political commentary while I play video games, and then stop playing video games altogether and just do political commentary." So that was my evolution. And the reason why I did that-

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:16:31

        What games were you playing when you started?

    12. HPHasan Piker1:16:33

        Fortnite.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:16:33

        Oh, okay.

    14. HPHasan Piker1:16:34

        And then, you know, horror games that people love.

    15. EUEugene1:16:36

        Trevor was playing Hunger Games.

    16. HPHasan Piker1:16:37

        Yeah. [laughs]

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:16:39

        [laughs]

    18. HPHasan Piker1:16:40

        Yeah.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:16:40

        I didn't know what you would, like-

    20. EUEugene1:16:42

        Clip that.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:16:43

        [laughs]

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:16:43

        [laughs] No. Okay. So for ... So you were ... Were you a gamer?

    23. HPHasan Piker1:16:46

        Yeah. And I still play video games when I have time, um, sometimes on stream.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:16:49

        You don't know when do you have time. We watch you. You're on-

    25. EUEugene1:16:51

        Eight hours

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:16:52

        ... eight hours a day.

    27. HPHasan Piker1:16:52

        Yeah.

    28. EUEugene1:16:52

        Online.

    29. HPHasan Piker1:16:52

        Well, no, no, I play on, I, I play on stream or sometimes-

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:16:54

        Oh, okay, so you still play on stream.
24. 1:18:30 – 1:20:31

    Billionaires, Capitalism & Class Consciousness

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:18:30

       inspiring and mobilizing people?

    2. HPHasan Piker1:18:33

       Um, I mean, you gotta do a bit of both. I think that's a, that's a real problem with the Democratic Party is that they don't identify enemies. They try to get along with everybody else in their commentary, and I think it's good to just say, like, "No, billionaires are bad." You know? Sometimes they can be eh, all right, like Steyer is probably one of the better candidates in the California governor's race. But, um, you know, Democrats are, are, are too afraid to identify who is actually, uh, uh, creating problems in society that many workers can, uh, feel.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:19:03

       So then do you think, do you think things are as bad as they are in America because the Republicans govern the way they govern, or do you think it's gotten that way because Democrats are so feckless that Republicans can govern?

    4. HPHasan Piker1:19:17

       I don't even think it's the duopoly. I think the duopoly is a, is a normal part of the process. I ... Look, I'm a socialist. I, I, think it's capitalism. I think that is the real-

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:19:26

       You think that's the fundamental issue?

    6. HPHasan Piker1:19:27

       Oh, 100%.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:19:28

       Yeah.

    8. HPHasan Piker1:19:28

       I think that, uh, like, at its root, we have two liberal parties.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:19:34

       Yeah.

    10. HPHasan Piker1:19:34

        One is actually now turning into an illiberal party. One is turning into a fascist party as, as fascism rose 100 years ago when liberalism was failing, right? Uh, liberalism is in crisis. Liberal capitalist democracy is not working for a lot of people, and they're looking for alternatives. And reactionaries are taking advantage of that crisis by, uh, uh, reasserting dominance and control in the same exact way that Adolf Hitler did, same exact way that Mussolini did when fascism was first being implemented in Europe, uh, as this revolutionary movement-

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:20:03

        Mm

    12. HPHasan Piker1:20:03

        ... that would counter the nefarious forces of socialism, communism, and trade unionism because that, if, if, uh, if left to their own devices, if they were successful, would truly disrupt the, the hierarchy of capital.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:20:17

        Mm.

    14. HPHasan Piker1:20:17

        And that's why these movements, these fascist movements, were able to go to small businesses, petite bourgeois, and also big businesses, uh, and, and, you know, these industrialist, uh, uh, capitalists and, and gain a lot of allegiances

25. 1:20:31 – 1:22:56

    Communism, China, Cuba & Political Labels

    1. HPHasan Piker1:20:31

       from these groups. And they were able to get liberals to concede as well. Uh, and, and that's how they reasserted dominance.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:20:39

       So I hear what you're saying, but I, I think some people might hear that and go, "So are you saying that we then go to communism?" And I don't think that's what you're saying, if I hear you correctly.

    3. HPHasan Piker1:20:48

       I mean, I ... Look, I, I say I'm, I'm not a communist, but people call me that, and I don't have any problems with communism. I think it's a g- uh, is a decent endpoint, uh, you know, a classless, moneyless, uh, borderless society and Star Trek universe. Uh, whenever I say that, people go, "How could he?"

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:21:03

       [laughs]

    5. HPHasan Piker1:21:03

       "How could he even mention this?" But I feel like if you, if you think about it, like, I don't think that's a bad way to live.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:21:09

       If it, if it was implemented y- y- ... So this is, this is where, um, I struggle with it as I go We oftentimes will judge a system based on the examples that we have of it-

    7. HPHasan Piker1:21:21

       Mm-hmm

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:21:21

       ... even if those examples are not accurate.

    9. HPHasan Piker1:21:24

       Yeah.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:21:24

        Does, does that make sense? So when, so this, this has been-

    11. HPHasan Piker1:21:26

        Yeah, there's been, there's been many attempts and, and-

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:21:28

        Yeah, yeah, yeah

    13. HPHasan Piker1:21:28

        ... a lot of that has led to failure for a multitude of different reasons. There's mismanagement-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:21:32

        Sabotage being one of the biggest sometimes.

    15. HPHasan Piker1:21:34

        Yes, interference.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:21:34

        But we have to ackno-

    17. HPHasan Piker1:21:34

        Yeah

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:21:34

        ... we always have to acknowledge the interference.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:21:36

        Yeah.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:21:36

        Because when people talk about capitalism, they will always espouse its, like, A students.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:21:43

        Mm-hmm.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:21:44

        "Oh, but look at this, and look at this," and, and that is correct. But when people will talk about socialism, you know, communism may be more, i- is, is a harder one because I, I have yet to see an example of communism that wasn't interfered with or sabotaged. So I don't-

    23. HPHasan Piker1:21:56

        Yeah

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:21:56

        ... I don't know personally if it can or cannot work.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:21:57

        Well, but even in spite of that sabotage, there is one successful example of, or a couple successful examples of countries that are run by communist parties.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:22:05

        Yeah.

    27. HPHasan Piker1:22:06

        Um, it's obviously not, uh, at its end stage or anything like that.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:22:09

        Mm.

    29. HPHasan Piker1:22:09

        But China is, uh, is run by a communist party. Uh, Vietnam, uh, Cuba also run by a communist party. Now, obviously there's varying degrees of successes here and varying [laughs] degrees of failure. Successes in comparison to, like, their starting point, right? Or, uh, at their, at, in their heyday, right? Like, the Cuban, uh, the Cuban Revolution was unbelievably successful, and that's precisely the reason why the American government sought to punish them endlessly. And they were only able to survive throughout that process because the USSR came in and was like, "We're gonna put our nukes here."

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:22:42

        Did you get a subpoena about Cuba?
26. 1:22:56 – 1:26:19

    Cuba, Fox News & Alleged Foreign Agent Claims

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:22:56

       haven't received anything.

    2. HPHasan Piker1:22:57

       No.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:22:58

       But all the news is saying that you have received something.

    4. HPHasan Piker1:23:01

       Yeah.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:23:01

       Mm.

    6. HPHasan Piker1:23:02

       It goes beyond that. They are claiming that I'm a, a subversive, uh, I am a foreign agent that hasn't registered with FARA. Uh, and it's really funny because, like, like, I, I'm pretty open about my ideology. Like, I'm, I'm a socialist, and I think we should not kill the, the Cuban population. [laughs] I, we're, we've been starving them for 60 years. I think it's unbelievable. It's heinous, a war crime, uh, and we should stop that. And then they go, "Oh, he must be getting paid by the Cuban government to say this." And it's really funny 'cause it's like, they, with what money? They're broke. They have no money.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:23:38

       [laughs] Cigars?

    8. HPHasan Piker1:23:39

       Like, they don't have anything.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:23:41

       [laughs]

    10. HPHasan Piker1:23:42

        I mean, I guess they have cigars. I don't know. I, I didn't even, I didn't even get to, uh, experience that when I was there. But-

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:23:47

        How long were you there for?

    12. HPHasan Piker1:23:48

        I was there for two days, and I just... You, back-to-back interviews. We were there on a humanitarian aid mission with Progressive International, CODEPINK, and, and, you know, with, like, 600 delegates, uh, politicians. J- uh, Corbyn was there, numerous other people, uh, and journalists as well. And I got a journalism visa on top of the humanitarian aid mission that we were, uh, accomplishing. Uh, so it's doubly messed up that the admin is, is, uh, coming after me. But-

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:24:13

        Yeah, because the, you see, the story, even now the way you told it, the story doesn't... It makes it seem like you and one other person went to Cuba-

    14. HPHasan Piker1:24:20

        Yeah

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:24:20

        ... because you were paid by an organization there.

    16. HPHasan Piker1:24:22

        Yeah.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:24:23

        The two of you.

    18. HPHasan Piker1:24:23

        Yeah.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:24:23

        Only two people went there.

    20. HPHasan Piker1:24:24

        Yeah. Yeah. Medea Benjamin, uh, the founder of CODEPINK, uh, co-founder.

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:24:27

        Yeah, it's just the two of you.

    22. HPHasan Piker1:24:28

        Mm.

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:24:28

        You went there.

    24. HPHasan Piker1:24:29

        Yeah.

    25. TNTrevor Noah1:24:29

        And then you conspired with their group- On a state-sponsored mission ... state-sponsored mission.

    26. HPHasan Piker1:24:33

        Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah1:24:33

        And they were like, "Hey, man. Here's some money-"

    28. HPHasan Piker1:24:35

        Yeah

    29. TNTrevor Noah1:24:35

        ... "Hasan. We need you to do this to America."

    30. HPHasan Piker1:24:36

        Yeah.
27. 1:26:19 – 1:32:16

    Misinformation, AI Articles & Online Narratives

    1. HPHasan Piker1:26:19

       about my experiences in Cuba. I did a documentary on it, all this stuff, right? They'll take pieces of my commentary and be like, "He's leaking all the secrets."

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:26:29

       Hm.

    3. HPHasan Piker1:26:29

       "He's leaking the, the, the pay structure that exists." And it's like, no, that's not... Everything that I'm mentioning is, like, publicly available information that you can find on Wikipedia. But because people are so stupid and, and they're so ready to, to think that this is some sor- sort of, like, sinister operation, they go, "Oh my God. Uh, he's already turned, uh, you know, state witness."

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:26:51

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:26:52

       "He's, like, snitching. Oh, he's so stupid for snitching before he even talks to his lawyers. What an idiot." And it's like, or maybe nothing that I'm saying is illegal. Have you thought about that?

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:27:02

       But I think we live in a world now where the accusation is more powerful than the-

    7. HPHasan Piker1:27:07

       Oh, yeah

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:27:07

       ... than the prosecution.

    9. HPHasan Piker1:27:08

       Oh, yeah.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:27:09

        The prosecutions don't matter anymore.

    11. HPHasan Piker1:27:11

        Yeah.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:27:11

        If you, if you think about it, in the world we live in. 'Cause the, the, the swell of what happens on, in media and online- Mm ... is so big It used to be the same with a newspaper. Front page-

    13. HPHasan Piker1:27:23

        Mm-hmm

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:27:24

        ... this person has done this. Many months later, retraction, actually they didn't.

    15. HPHasan Piker1:27:29

        Yeah.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:27:29

        Or a small little article in the corner. Now, in that world it was bad enough because it was front page versus page four slight retraction-

    17. HPHasan Piker1:27:36

        Corner

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:27:36

        ... or just an update on the story.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:27:38

        Mm.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:27:39

        Now it's the whole internet.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:27:41

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:27:41

        It's TikTok, it's Instagram, it's Facebook, it's, you know, Google search results, web pages, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:27:49

        Yeah. And with AI-

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:27:49

        Massive. Massive. And it just gets like, yeah, it just gets-

    25. HPHasan Piker1:27:52

        Yeah

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:27:52

        ... amplified and blown up, and amplified and blown up. By the time it's verified, i- i- it's finished really.

    27. HPHasan Piker1:28:00

        And there's also a lot of, uh, uh, like biases that people have where they constantly are seeking out confirmation bias.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:28:07

        Yeah.

    29. HPHasan Piker1:28:08

        And, and they, they want to confirm their priors no matter what. So, like, I'll give you one example. One of the most common things that I receive from people is, uh, criticisms, that I receive from people is like, "Oh, you're a socialist, but you're wealthy," right? And it's true, I am very successful and very fortunate, right? Um, but it's not at odds with my worldview in any way, shape, or form.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:28:28

        Yeah.
28. 1:32:16 – 1:38:20

    Fake Viral Campaigns, AI Influence & Manufactured Public Opinion

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:32:20

       [upbeat music] Did you read, uh, the interview, I think it was in The New Yorker, um, the CEO of Floodify? So if you, if you haven't, the-

    2. HPHasan Piker1:32:32

       Oh, I know what you're talking about.

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:32:33

       Yeah, the CE-

    4. HPHasan Piker1:32:34

       Yeah

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:32:34

       ... the CEO of Floodify, um, gave, gave a really amazing interview about what he does, right? And Floodify is basically a clipping service online-

    6. HPHasan Piker1:32:45

       Mm-hmm

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:32:46

       ... where they will make anything seem more popular than it is.

    8. HPHasan Piker1:32:52

       Yeah.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:32:53

       Right? But the way they do it is not using traditional advertising. So you have an album that you wanna release.

    10. HPHasan Piker1:32:59

        Mm-hmm.

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:32:59

        But you're an artist who only has, like, 50,000 fans. You go to a company like Floodify. They're one of the companies that do this. You pay them in a c- a certain amount of money, and that money will determine, like, how much reach you're gonna get.

    12. HPHasan Piker1:33:10

        Mm.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:33:11

        And then they have a network, and I mean, like, an insane network that- Blows it up across "real people"-

    14. HPHasan Piker1:33:20

        Yeah

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:33:21

        ... having real opinions about your music, and you can seem bigger than you are as an artist.

    16. HPHasan Piker1:33:27

        Mm-hmm.

    17. EUEugene1:33:27

        Yeah.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:33:27

        Which then sort of catches its own fire.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:33:29

        Yeah.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:33:29

        'Cause that's, that's how fame works, and that's how news works-

    21. HPHasan Piker1:33:32

        Yeah

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:33:32

        ... and that's how ... So, and, and you, you-

    23. EUEugene1:33:34

        Wow

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:33:34

        ... now on that level, you have-

    25. HPHasan Piker1:33:35

        Clavicular. This is, this is how Clavicular became famous

    26. EUEugene1:33:38

        That's how it works.

    27. TNTrevor Noah1:33:38

        Yeah. So you think, now you think, "Oh, I mean, who cares? Music, you wanna ..." This is where it gets sinister, right? And r- and we, we really have to worry about this in society.

    28. HPHasan Piker1:33:47

        It is for politics, too.

    29. TNTrevor Noah1:33:48

        For, for everything.

    30. EUEugene1:33:49

        No way.
29. 1:38:20 – 1:40:56

    Class Solidarity, Wealth Inequality & Systemic Change

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:38:20

       the N-words that you call us-

    2. EUEugene1:38:22

       Mm

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:38:22

       ... and we're against you, why are we also poor?"

    4. EUEugene1:38:24

       Mm.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:38:24

       "Shouldn't we have the money? And why are you poor? So if we're poor and you're poor, somebody's tricking both of us."

    6. EUEugene1:38:30

       Mm.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:38:30

       So he's like, "I'm gonna work together. We're gonna get you food. We're gonna try and eat food as well, and then let's figure this thing out."

    8. HPHasan Piker1:38:35

       Yeah, and then they killed him.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:38:36

       And then shortly after that, he was dead.

    10. HPHasan Piker1:38:37

        Yeah, they f- fucking murdered him in his sleep.

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:38:39

        Yeah. Because it, it, it is, it is a, the upending of that thing. There's so much money in it, man.

    12. HPHasan Piker1:38:47

        Yeah.

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:38:47

        And, and this is, this is, this is, again-

    14. HPHasan Piker1:38:49

        A Marxist Leninist, by the way

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:38:51

        ... uh, this is where it's important to throw an addendum in, by the way.

    16. HPHasan Piker1:38:55

        Mm.

    17. TNTrevor Noah1:38:55

        They make it seem like you're saying no one should earn money, no one should do well, no-

    18. EUEugene1:39:02

        No one should prosper.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:39:03

        Yeah

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:39:03

        ... no one should prosper.

    21. EUEugene1:39:03

        Mm.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:39:03

        You're like, "No, no, no, no, no. No. What we're saying is- In a system where money is like water, the water should flow, right? Mm-hmm. And in the same way, countries that share major rivers have to have an agreement that the water cannot be stopped by one, any, like, any one country. Yes. Yeah. They have to have agreements on that. You know that, right? Mm-hmm.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:39:25

        Mm-hmm.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:39:25

        Because one country who's at, like, the top of a river can just block the water, and then all the other countries, th- that's literally an act of war. Mm.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:39:31

        Mm-hmm.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:39:32

        They go, "No, you can only block this much for your dams, and you can, and you can block this, and then the next country can block this much." The same understanding should be had, in my opinion, of money, because we forget that we create systems now that sort of have crippled what money was supposed to do. It was an exchange of time- To trade ... and, and debt. Yeah. Yeah, to trade. But if somebody can create, like, a- A dam ... a dam, and they've got robots that earn the money, and then machines that make the money, and then robots that, and the money keeps going here, and then they earn interest on the money, and then they get loans on the money. Mm. But then they don't pay taxes on that money, but then we pay the taxes on the money, 'cause all of us sitting everywhere here-

    27. HPHasan Piker1:40:08

        Yeah

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:40:08

        ... we pay the taxes on it. Then you go, like, what, what, what are we, what are we building? What are we ... You know what I mean? Like, where are we ending up?

    29. HPHasan Piker1:40:15

        We're, we're building wealth for the upper class-

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:40:17

        Yeah
30. 1:40:56 – 1:44:17

    Government vs Privatization & the Failure of Neoliberalism

    1. HPHasan Piker1:40:56

       society with, uh, diligent and, and disciplined organizing.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:41:02

       Last thing I'll ask you, because I, it's interesting that we've had two guests sitting at this table who've shared a different opinion on it, and I think I know which way you're gonna lean, but ...

    3. HPHasan Piker1:41:11

       Who are the two guests?

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:41:12

       Uh, Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:41:14

       Oh, God. Okay.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:41:15

       Um, I asked Bernie Sanders ... So I asked Pete Buttigieg, I was talking about, like, government, and I guess him and I had a bit of a disagreement. I, I was saying, and I do believe this, I said, "People have been made to believe that government is inept, but that ineptitude was manufactured so that it could be privatized." Mm-hmm. Right?

    7. HPHasan Piker1:41:34

       That's-

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:41:34

       And we've seen this in South Africa.

    9. HPHasan Piker1:41:35

       100% correct.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:41:36

        We've seen this in the UK. We see this in many countries.

    11. HPHasan Piker1:41:38

        Wait, did he disagree with that?

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:41:39

        No, no, he was like, "Yeah, I guess, to a certain degree." And then I was like, "The government is supposed to do the thing." People forget the reason we made a government, it's a brilliant idea, is because we could not all individually go work on the roads.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:41:51

        Yeah.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:41:52

        Yes. So we said, "Hey, let's all put our money together." Let's pool together. For the roads. Yeah.

    15. HPHasan Piker1:41:55

        Yeah.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:41:56

        Government is supposed to do things, and then he was like, "Ah, no, but I think there's many things that government is not that good at doing." Then I was like, "Name one thing."

    17. HPHasan Piker1:42:02

        What did he say?

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:42:03

        Uh, he said a few, and I, I disagreed. Honestly, I was like, "I don't think the government's bad at that." I think the government can run a great airline.

    19. HPHasan Piker1:42:08

        Yeah.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:42:09

        I think the government can run a great railway service.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:42:11

        They do.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:42:11

        I think the government can run a great healthcare service. Healthcare. Mm-hmm. I think the government can run great education. You know why I say this? Because it did at some point.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:42:17

        Yeah.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:42:18

        Mm.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:42:18

        And it still does.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:42:19

        People forget that all-

    27. HPHasan Piker1:42:20

        [laughs] And it still does in most other places.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:42:21

        You know ... Yeah

    29. HPHasan Piker1:42:21

        You just don't think about it.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:42:23

        You know how many people who fight against public education now were publicly educated? Yeah.
31. 1:44:17 – 1:47:51

    Immigration, Economic Anxiety & Human Nature

    1. TNTrevor Noah1:44:17

       why it's easy to do that, though? I, I have, I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who experiences that, and I'll tell you why. I see this in South Africa, I've seen it in the UK, s- you know, places I've traveled to and places I've lived in. People, people-

    2. HPHasan Piker1:44:31

       You're like, "Immigrants are bad." [laughs]

    3. TNTrevor Noah1:44:32

       No, people ... You know what? No, no, no. People, people forget this, right?

    4. HPHasan Piker1:44:36

       Yeah.

    5. TNTrevor Noah1:44:36

       People forget that your ability to see or not see an immigrant changes dramatically with your standard of living and how things are going. 100%.

    6. HPHasan Piker1:44:47

       Mm-hmm.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:44:49

       I think people really take that for granted.

    8. HPHasan Piker1:44:50

       Yeah.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:44:51

       When you're doing well, when your economy's doing well, when things around you are doing well, you'll be shocked at how you don't notice immigrants. Mm. They're sort of silently existing in your world-

    10. HPHasan Piker1:45:01

        Mm-hmm

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:45:01

        ... because things are going well, because you don't see them. You don't notice the guy at the corner shop has an accent in that way when you, you've got enough money and the prices are affordable and your, your wages have kept up. Yeah. You don't notice the, the, the immigrant in the hospital bed next to you when you're also getting care. You don't notice, you don't notice, but a system that is failing its people- Is inevitably gonna have its people notice the people who are not-

    12. EUEugene1:45:28

        Exactly

    13. TNTrevor Noah1:45:29

        ... quote unquote its people.

    14. EUEugene1:45:29

        Yeah.

    15. TNTrevor Noah1:45:30

        'Cause they're like, "Wait, what is ... I don't understand. You're saying we don't even have enough for m- us."

    16. EUEugene1:45:34

        Mm-hmm.

    17. HPHasan Piker1:45:34

        Yeah.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:45:35

        Then why do we have enough for them? And I, I think of it genuinely through, like, the, the, the most personal lens. When we had food in my house and my mom, like, my mom was always, always like, "Uh, please go give, give those street kids this food. Give that homeless guy this. Give that..." She, she did that her whole life. She still does that, right? I remember in my life when we were doing well in the house, like when we had a full fridge, I, I never noticed it. I would, I would run over giddy to that guy, and I'd give him bread and, and stew and some money. I didn't notice it. It's when my mom opened her purse when it was empty-

    19. EUEugene1:46:09

        Hmm

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:46:10

        ... took out her last 10 rand note and said, "Go give it to that guy." And I was like, "This woman has lost her goddamn mind."

    21. EUEugene1:46:17

        [laughs]

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:46:18

        Genuinely.

    23. EUEugene1:46:18

        Yeah.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:46:19

        Uh, I mean, I still think she's amazing for, like, doing that, but I won't lie to you. As a kid I was like, "Nah, lady." I was like, "That guy there, he should not be getting our money in any way, shape, or ... We have nothing."

    25. EUEugene1:46:29

        Yeah.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:46:30

        And then she was like, "No, no. You think we have nothing. We don't have nothing yet. He has nothing. We're just doing badly right now."

    27. EUEugene1:46:36

        Hmm.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:46:38

        But the feeling I had towards that person, I can directly correlate to the, the purse's, you know, the purse situation in, in, in my house. And so I go, it is inevitable that these people will ... I don't even think they're silly, to be honest. I think they're human. I'll, I'll be honest with you.

    29. EUEugene1:46:57

        Yeah.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:46:57

        I don't see how you could not hate immigrants when someone is crippling a system around you.
32. 1:47:51 – 1:49:14

    Class Warfare, Capitalism & Organizing the Working Class

    1. HPHasan Piker1:47:51

       that are responsible for it. It's the Black people that are responsible for it in America during, uh, you know, reconstruction. Um, because any kind of solidarity that, that, uh, focuses on people's class interests remind people that-

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:48:05

       Exactly

    3. HPHasan Piker1:48:06

       ... 99% of the public is a part of one class and only 1% of the public is a part of another class.

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:48:13

       Hmm.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:48:13

       And most people are just working for that 1%.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:48:15

       Mm-hmm.

    7. HPHasan Piker1:48:16

       The overwhelming majority are. And that's a terrifying prospect for the capitalist, uh, because, uh, as I, as I like to say at these rallies I go to, you know, they got the money, but we got the people. And, and that is something that they want to squash before it becomes a big problem. And, uh, that's how I, uh, uh, found myself the recipient of a, allegedly a subpoena that I haven't received yet, that Fox News says I have. And now there's, like, this additional cycle of misinformation coming out where they're like, "He's terrified. He's actually shook." Like, the New York Post and Fox News are writing articles about how I'm, like, terrified, uh, by this.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:48:54

       How much attention do you pay to that stuff, by the way?

    9. HPHasan Piker1:48:57

       I mean, I have to pay attention to it. It's, it's, uh, mainstream media, especially if there's no opposition-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:49:01

        Yeah

    11. HPHasan Piker1:49:01

        ... from, like, l- the liberal side. If Associated Press-

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:49:04

        Oh, interesting. Okay

    13. HPHasan Piker1:49:04

        ... is not writing about the situation-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:49:05

        Okay. Okay. So no one's-

    15. HPHasan Piker1:49:06

        And the-

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:49:06

        ... correcting it is what you're saying. Yeah.

    17. HPHasan Piker1:49:07

        Yeah. If no one's correcting it, then the only thing that's coming out is New York Post, Fox News, and whatnot, and I think that's a very strange,

33. 1:49:14 – 1:52:20

    Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Party & Political Realignment

    1. HPHasan Piker1:49:14

       uh, situation to be in because then most people are looking at that and, and the conversation being dominated by this negative framing.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:49:20

       The other thing was, uh, what Bernie Sanders said. I, well, I asked him. I said, um, "Do you think..." I'm, I'm paraphrasing it and, you know, so, 'cause I don't wanna, um, misstate what he said. But I basically asked him if the Democratic Party was one party.

    3. EUEugene1:49:37

       Hmm.

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:49:37

       And he was, he was like, his answer was essentially no.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:49:41

       Yeah.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:49:41

       He was like, "The thing that I'm doing-

    7. EUEugene1:49:42

       Do it in his accent

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:49:43

       ... is not..." I can't do Bernie. I can't do Bernie well.

    9. EUEugene1:49:45

       You do Bernie very well.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:49:45

        I'll try, I'll try. I wish I-

    11. EUEugene1:49:46

        You can. Try.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:49:46

        I'll keep practicing.

    13. EUEugene1:49:47

        Try.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:49:47

        I'll try. I'll try.

    15. HPHasan Piker1:49:48

        It's because he doesn't talk to Bernie.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:49:49

        I'll try. I'll try.

    17. EUEugene1:49:49

        On the phone. [laughs]

    18. HPHasan Piker1:49:50

        He only talks to Donald Trump.

    19. TNTrevor Noah1:49:52

        [laughs]

    20. HPHasan Piker1:49:52

        That's why he's so good at Donald Trump.

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:49:53

        No. No. That's how he said it. He said, "No. No." That's how he said it. He was like, "No. No."

    22. EUEugene1:49:57

        [laughs]

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:49:58

        "No. Trevor, and I'll tell you why. No."

    24. HPHasan Piker1:50:00

        Not bad.

    25. EUEugene1:50:00

        [laughs]

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:50:00

        Yeah, it's not bad. But, uh, Bernie's like, he's got a very specific thing. "No."

    27. HPHasan Piker1:50:03

        Yeah.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:50:03

        "And I, and I'll tell you why. Uh, let me tell you why."

    29. HPHasan Piker1:50:06

        Yeah.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:50:06

        Yeah.
34. 1:52:20 – 1:57:44

    Hasan’s Vision for the Future of Left-Wing Politics

    1. HPHasan Piker1:52:20

       from their base, right? They have, like, disdain for their base, where they're like, "Ugh, why do you want us to do these things? Don't you understand change is impossible?" So entryism is difficult. Um, my opinion on this is, uh, I, I'm a harm reduction voter. I'm a harm reduction believer, I guess, to a certain degree. I recognize that class consciousness is the number one problem in this country. We do not have class consciousness, and we do not have political education. Mm. And without class consciousness and political education, you can't have organizing on the basis of class. So in order to foment class consciousness and to engage in agitative propaganda as, uh, you know, the, as is the Marxist tradition, I believe that, uh, elections are one of the most viable routes to reach the masses. Mm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Because I think a lot of people, no matter how radical they present themselves as or no matter how critical they are of Bernie Sanders, a lot of people self-identified as socialists in that insurgent campaign in 2016- Yeah ... when Bernie ran against Hillary Rodham Clinton. That juxtaposition of a left populist force, an anti-establishment force, who, uh, was unbowed and said that they were a socialist and weren't afraid of the moniker, uh, going up against an establishment, uh, uh, like, a- an establishment figurehead like, uh, Hillary Rodham Clinton, made a lot of people self-identify as socialists. It made a, it made a lot of people go, "Wait a minute. I agree- It's possible ... with that guy." Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? I, I agree with that guy. I didn't know that this designation- Existed ... existed. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Or, uh, I, I was so negatively propagandized against what I thought socialism was, but it turns out it's this, you know, old curmudgeon, right? And, and who is fighting for me, who has been fighting for me for 800 years at this point. [laughs] So that's, that's why I believe that, and I've seen this, uh, in the data as well. Like, whenever you got a AOC-style figure or Zohran Mamdani, um, the DSA rises. Uh, uh, the DSA's ranks explode, right? There's so many new paid members, uh, or paying members, sorry, that, that join the organization, and the DSA's very good at, uh, instigating class consciousness and also doing political education. Hmm. It's a massive institution- Mm ... with many different caucuses, and they're constantly fighting one another. You go to the national conference, and you're like, "I like 'em all. I have no, uh... You know, I don't have..." It's like picking, uh, it's like picking favorite children. You can't do it, right? Um, but they're constantly warring. There, there's a democratic process. It's complex. It's, uh, it's very diverse. Uh, but you have every different tendency from liberals, social democrats, uh, all the way to Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Third Worldists, uh, you know, people who, uh, do not participate in democracy at all, uh, because they think it's, it's ridiculous and, and counter-revolutionary. You have all of that, right? And, and that is political education, and that is an absolute necessity to make the changes in this country. And I see electoralism as a route to foment class consciousness through, uh, proving that alternative modes of governance are viable. Hmm. And that's why I look to people like Zohran as movement leaders in that regard because every day that he's a good mayor of New York is a day where we are able to tackle the stigma associated with socialism. Uh, every day that he's a handsome, charismatic fellow that gets- [laughs] ... to improve people's lives is a day where more New Yorkers go, "You know what? Maybe I'm a socialist after all." Um, I'm not... I, I, I understand that, uh, you know, you have to organize with the masses that you have, not the masses that you believe- Yeah ... uh, should exist. Hmm. And many people in the United States of America are self-identifying as liberals. That's mass politics. That's, that's what the social base- That's where the social base is at. They self-identify as liberals because they don't really understand what that means. If you were to pick apart their worldview and offer them, uh, uh, a little bit of political education, you might find that they're actually not liberals at all. Maybe they're socialists. Maybe they're Marxists. Maybe they're, uh, you know, they have a, a different ideological tendency than liberalism, which is basically just the monoculture that we've taken for granted. So at a time when liberalism is failing and the Democratic Party as the liberal Democratic Party is, is failing to keep up with the reactionary forces on the Republican side, I, I believe that it's important to try to push for as many radical candidates as possible and change the makeup, the political makeup, of this unbelievably weak party that is not a real political party in the sense that they exist in Europe and in parliamentary systems. Mm-hmm. Uh, there's no paid membership structure, like paying membership structure, but a party that simply is a holdover for a litany of different corporate interests and maybe some advocacy groups on the side if you want to throw them a bone every now and then because you need door knockers. Um, that's a weak party. That's a party that you can seize. That's a party that you can take advantage of. Because at the end of the day, I have no loyalty to the brand that is the Democratic Party. Right. Okay. I see what you mean. And I don't think anyone should have any loyalty to any party. I think you should have... You should see politicians as an agent for change- Mm ... because that's what they are. Are they making those changes for their corporate benefactors, or are they making those changes for you? Are they promising to you that they are going to change your

35. 1:57:44 – 2:00:27

    Holding Politicians Accountable & Final Thoughts

    1. HPHasan Piker1:57:44

       lives for the better, or are they telling you better things are not possible? And which is what a lot of Democrats do, unfortunately. Um, so, you know, even if I know a politician personally, Zohran is a great example of this, AOC is another example of this, if they do things that I don't like, I'll say it. I'll be like, "No, this was wrong. I, I disagree with you on this." Um, and I will hold them to account because at the end of the day, they're public servants. They work for us, for all of us, right? Uh, I- there, there shouldn't be any loyalty to, um, a, a party or a brand, especially if that party hasn't done enough to deserve your loyalty. You can have an ideological commitment to a movement. I certainly do, and I have my moral convictions, and I demand that the elected representatives that I push for also have similar shared moral convictions. But outside of that, I don't really care how, how we get there, you know? Another Deng Xiaoping quote I'll use, I don't know why I keep using Deng Xiaoping quotes on this-

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:58:47

       It sounds cool

    3. HPHasan Piker1:58:48

       ... on this conversation, but it's-

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:58:49

       Also 'cause it's Tuesday.

    5. HPHasan Piker1:58:50

       Yeah.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:58:51

       You know what they say about Tuesday and Deng Xiaoping.

    7. HPHasan Piker1:58:53

       What?

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:58:53

       Nothing. Carry on. [laughs]

    9. HPHasan Piker1:58:55

       [laughs] I was, I was very excited.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:58:57

        I was, I know. [laughs]

    11. HPHasan Piker1:58:57

        Just got caught up. He said, uh, when, when market reforms were taking place in China, he said famously, uh, "A black cat or a white cat, it doesn't matter as long as it catches the rat."

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:59:09

        Mm.

    13. HPHasan Piker1:59:09

        And, and that's the way I see it as well, where it's like I don't really care about what these brands are or what, like, uh, how people identify themselves.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:59:16

        People focus too much on the labels-

    15. HPHasan Piker1:59:17

        Yeah

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:59:17

        ... and not on the outcome that comes from-

    17. HPHasan Piker1:59:18

        Yeah, I care about-

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:59:19

        Yeah

    19. HPHasan Piker1:59:20

        ... I care about changes. I care about necessary changes and getting those necessary changes across.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:59:25

        Damn. Well, this was great, man. This was really, really dope.

    21. HPHasan Piker1:59:28

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:59:29

        Good luck with, uh, your subpoena if it's there when you get home.

    23. HPHasan Piker1:59:31

        [laughs]

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:59:31

        Oh, speaking of which, can you just open the cabinet? Yeah.

    25. HPHasan Piker1:59:34

        That would be so amazing if we served him right now.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:59:36

        Just like a piece of paper.

    27. HPHasan Piker1:59:38

        That would be so amazing.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:59:38

        [laughs]

    29. HPHasan Piker1:59:39

        If w- if we served you the subpoena.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:59:42

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:00:29