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Re-Release For YouTube. This episode of What Now? with Trevor Noah originally aired on 02/29/2024. In this episode... Trevor sits down in Abu Dhabi with actor, director and DJ, Idris Elba. The two of them swap stories about taking the plunge and moving to America for work and Elba shares the secret he was told not to reveal when auditioning for The Wire. They also discuss why Africa may be the future of entertainment, the art of the accent, and debate who can best pull off a Nelson Mandela impression. More episodes... If I Ruled The World: Creating Chaos with Anele & Sizwe! - https://youtu.be/A0QqzipH8-s Jon Stewart – One of My Favorite People https://youtu.be/44uC12g9ZVk If I Ruled the World: Tressie McMillan Cottom Throws Down https://youtu.be/ZFngOX10N_w Esther Perel – One of My Favorite People https://youtu.be/ss1zseYy7J8 The Perfect Algorithm for Finding Love? with Christian Rudder https://youtu.be/6c3haFx35u8 The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt https://youtu.be/Ey4XhHqnkuQ Meet Derek Fordjour – One of My Favorite People https://youtu.be/5cs3aIXF6ug Neuro-Spicy: Discussing ADHD with Dr. Kristin Carothers https://youtu.be/SkDvqvpxKBY If I Ruled The World: Careful What You Think https://youtu.be/4R-VayY9J9w Meet Eugene Khoza – One of My Favorite People https://youtu.be/GhlhkbAtN1g Is Elon Musk the Ultimate Scam Artist? with Max Chafkin https://youtu.be/nGMcyJG5If0 The Problem With Men, with Scott Galloway https://youtu.be/_i11gj-iq1I American Amnesia with Tressie McMillan Cottom https://youtu.be/bOT53IY6tJg The Reality of Fiction with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie https://youtu.be/yfNbrC3HJpU Christiana Gave Birth (Again)! https://youtu.be/ER-EZnyjSJM Human-Kind or Human Evil with Rutger Bregman https://youtu.be/vhg2RLXUovs Meet Khaya Dlanga – One of My Favorite People https://youtu.be/qEJV3t1m_Y4 The Second Coming of Halle Berry https://youtu.be/hW7Mld_WksU RIP… D.E.I. with Ruha Benjamin https://youtu.be/1VRCfuKEGdo No One Told Trevor He Was Hosting the Grammys https://youtu.be/bNEJVTNU8N8 Wringing in the New Year https://youtu.be/Ge_0YMwfTes Is Marques Brownlee the Most Powerful Man in Tech? https://youtu.be/pNDidttHP9M?si=5GDvs3sbehGH5ZZm Why Are All Bosses Idiots? with Simon Sinek https://youtu.be/BooPVxoRmEY?si=IV5bDRKpJj2Z1WHV How To Be The Most Healed Guy with Neal Brennan https://youtu.be/InNbGfVVtJk?si=rKM8EcfC-bGcWEsk If You Ruled the World: Listener Grab Bag https://youtu.be/lRBA74Yd6eo Love on a Timeline with Esther Perel https://youtu.be/wXoi2mcS79c Tight Values, Loose Ideas with Malcolm Gladwell https://youtu.be/0nzREiczBaA?si=FpCq7CQIg8wavN89 What’s In An Accent with Lupita Nyong’o https://youtu.be/OncAEu9sfD8?si=CEM-ZAFKABE9agLx For Kids or Anyone Who’s Ever Been a Kid https://youtu.be/iv3CMDfKM5w?si=_e0aLFDiHBxPutCB Have We Missed The Message? with Ta-Nehisi Coates https://youtu.be/IPbD9PZ5FP4?si=6Jo16ww9qDqjPFIF Kevin Hart Gets the Bubble Guts! https://youtu.be/LxWiLYHEdYI?si=DQfQxsE_qbQU18gc Doctor Roger Federer Will See You Now https://youtu.be/0foth8r3Zbg?si=jLLMfq9DE90rLAZn Welcome To The Julia Louis-Dreyfus Brain Museum https://youtu.be/gIM1aQ9KS1o?si=z6pYIWwtEOfjqspB Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson Kicks Off The Podcast! https://youtu.be/gPmBuZbnn0g?si=R2jJLxG5cb-BwF03 Jessica Alba Is Standing in Her Power! https://youtu.be/zY9KZyJ1EiI?si=qGolN-Ga4PI3C-5a Making Bureaucracies Sexier with Yuval Noah Harari https://youtu.be/jO8ZLWYg71M?si=Ihm6QzZEnueJJWr1 Gabriel “Fluffy” Iglesias and the Art of Mentoring https://youtu.be/_ZeEiE42kNk?si=UNc9HE9NnyQbSVs6 Tripping Past Your Ego with Michael Pollan https://youtu.be/RMXu7Fn_bZc?si=fujRFMjoW0gwtMLu Why AI Won’t Destroy Us with Microsoft’s Brad Smith https://youtu.be/N5qEv-0fyQ4?si=YqEp8HUM5TCvVoZi Sam Altman Speaks Out About What Happened at OpenAI https://youtu.be/dVTxt5K8YZo?si=tNjKcPxtZuj6crVd There’s No I In Trevor Noah https://youtu.be/NZYnFYmn1Q0?si=5mYwzWfs83XoXhLO The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino https://youtu.be/ZR9QASRetRc?si=FmhMdLFmYKAOtxP8 #TrevorNoah #IdrisElba #WhatNowPodcast

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  1. 0:001:23

    Intro

    1. IE

      Wow. We're really talking?

    2. TN

      We're doing this, man.

    3. IE

      Man.

    4. TN

      We're doing this.

    5. IE

      [sighs]

    6. TN

      You happy? Sound happy. Yes? Picture happy. Everybody's happy. Yeah, bro. All right. Then the most important question is, is Idris happy? How you feeling?

    7. IE

      I'm feeling good.

    8. TN

      Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm shocked that you're, you're awake.

    9. IE

      [laughs] So-

    10. TN

      You were in, you were in LA a few days ago.

    11. IE

      I wa- I was in LA, yeah, less than 48 hours ago.

    12. TN

      Okay.

    13. IE

      I went, I went, I passed through London to come to Abu Dhabi.

    14. TN

      Right.

    15. IE

      I've been doing some miles, bro.

    16. TN

      You really have.

    17. IE

      Doing some miles. Yeah.

    18. TN

      Do you, do you get, do you get to go to the lounge now?

    19. IE

      [laughs]

    20. TN

      [laughs]

    21. IE

      Yes. I mean, but no, the, I, you know, honestly, um, airports can be daunting. I, I get... I'm not a anxious flyer, but the airports are anx- make me anxious.

    22. TN

      Wait, what? I don't... Are you being serious right now?

    23. IE

      Yeah. No, seriously. A- airports, just, just too much going on. It feels so fragile. It's weird.

    24. TN

      You know, I would feel the calmest if I saw Idris Elba in an airport.

    25. IE

      [laughs]

    26. TN

      I'm not even joking, 'cause you carry yourself in a way where I'd be like, "Man, everything's going bad." And I'll look and be like, "Is that Idris Elba? Everything's gonna be okay, yo. Everything's gonna be okay." [upbeat music] This is What Now? with Trevor Noah. [upbeat music]

  2. 1:233:07

    Idris Elba in Abu Dhabi

    1. TN

      You know, if you told me I would be in Abu Dhabi, right, just an hour away from Dubai, in a hotel room overlooking what seems like a beautiful bay, also combined with, like, I don't know, an office block, speaking to Idris Elba, I would've said to you, "This is probably a psychedelic dream that you're having." But that's exactly where I am, chatting to Idris Elba in Abu Dhabi. And oh, yeah, be- before we jump into everything, man, congratulations on the, on the SAG Awards. That was beautiful.

    2. IE

      Oh. It-

    3. TN

      That was really beautiful

    4. IE

      ... coming from you.

    5. TN

      No, man, for real.

    6. IE

      Really now?

    7. TN

      That was really, really beaut- it was funny, it was heartfelt, it was like a vibe. It was-

    8. IE

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. You just tell me I was funny?

    9. TN

      My... You know that you're funny, though.

    10. IE

      No, bro. I mean-

    11. TN

      You know that you're funny.

    12. IE

      Okay, so me and you having a laugh about fufu or African stuff, you know we laugh.

    13. TN

      Yeah, yeah.

    14. IE

      But to stand up in front of the world like that and do what you do, I thought about you a lot actually, 'cause you have a very good way of commanding a room. Your comic timing is hilarious. You go off the cuff and come back onto-

    15. TN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

    16. IE

      ... onto script. I was thinking about Trevor. I was trying to channel it.

    17. TN

      No, man, you, you killed it.

    18. IE

      [laughs]

    19. TN

      If, if you were channeling me, I now see me differently. I actually wanna see my whole life channeled through Idris Elba now.

    20. IE

      [laughs]

    21. TN

      If you're saying you were doing Trevor Noah, I'm like, "Damn."

    22. IE

      I was.

    23. TN

      No, man, for real. It was, uh... What was it like? I haven't seen you host before, by the way.

    24. IE

      Yeah, I don't... A- actually, I wasn't meant to be hosting. They just gave me more segments than anyone [laughs] else because I had won two awards one time. They duped me. They said, "No, no, no, it's just a couple more links." I'm hosting.

  3. 3:074:54

    The fragility of the industry

    1. TN

      Yeah, you were hosting. It was, it was a beautiful moment for me, man. I think, one, it was cool to see something different.

    2. IE

      Mm.

    3. TN

      Uh, two, I loved the vibe in the room. Like, you know, acting, acting is such a weird profession in that from the outside, acting seems impervious to anything.

    4. IE

      [laughs] Right.

    5. TN

      You know what I mean?

    6. IE

      Yeah.

    7. TN

      I'm sure you know what, what I, what I mean by this.

    8. IE

      Yeah.

    9. TN

      You know, like, a lot of people out there will see you as an actor. They see anybody as an actor, and they go, "Oh, what a great job. What a great life."

    10. IE

      Yeah.

    11. TN

      "It's perfect. Nothing affects you. You don't have the stress that a normal person has."

    12. IE

      Yeah.

    13. TN

      And I noticed in the awards, you and other actors spent a lot of time talking about what it was like going through the strikes in Hollywood.

    14. IE

      Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

    15. TN

      What it was like having the industry shut down.

    16. IE

      Mm.

    17. TN

      And I wondered, like, do those moments make you re- realize the fragility of the, of the industry you're in?

    18. IE

      Mm. 100%.

    19. TN

      Yeah?

    20. IE

      I mean, in terms of strikes, you know, uh, in terms of workers' rights, 'cause that's what it's all about, right?

    21. TN

      Yeah.

    22. IE

      It's like we're workers one way or another of an industry. We're called actors, called superstars, called Holli-, but we're workers.

    23. TN

      Right.

    24. IE

      And the, and, and the rights of those workers are fragile, especially in a, an industry that, you know, is dominated by a few. And what was interesting about that room is that, I mean, there was the biggest names in the film industry who all went through the same thing, you know, and it was a strike, and it was crippling. I think for all of us, you know, we all, all the actors in that room just realized that, you know, we're f- lucky to be working.

    25. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    26. IE

      Lucky to have the industry that we have, and we have a union that actually really fought for some really important, um, issues.

  4. 4:546:34

    When Idris Elba stopped acting

    1. TN

      Was there, was there ever a moment in your life when you stopped... I mean, fear is the wrong word, but it's like, uh, so maybe I'll, I'll, I'll try and explain this for people who aren't aware. A lot of people know that in acting there's auditioning. A lot of people know that in acting you don't know when you may get your next role, et cetera. But I think few people truly appreciate how unpredictable it is. You know, I, I wonder, w- has there ever been a moment in your career when you felt secure as Idris where you were like, "All right. No, I'm, I'm, I'm good now"? Or is there always that thing, that shadow behind you going like, "You never know, Idris. You never know"?

    2. IE

      Y- you know, it's interesting 'cause when, uh, when I did The Wire, okay, The Wire was a four-year explosion of my life.

    3. TN

      Yeah.

    4. IE

      Before The Wire, I was literally penniless in, in New York City, and after The Wire, I was arguably one of the most famous Black actors, at least in, in America.

    5. TN

      Right.

    6. IE

      Right? 'Cause of my character Stringer Bell.

    7. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    8. IE

      Was so celebrated. And at that time, leaving The Wire, because I didn't know I was gonna die in that. I didn't know my character was gonna die. So when they-

    9. TN

      Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean you didn't know he was gonna die?

    10. IE

      I didn't know my character was gonna die- Uh, until we got the episode.

    11. TN

      Wait, for real?

    12. IE

      Yeah, yeah, 100. That's another story altogether, but-

    13. TN

      Damn

    14. IE

      ... it was tough love. But at that time I was flying high. I mean, I could go anywhere. Like, people were comparing me to Denz, you know? [laughs]

    15. TN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    16. IE

      You know, I was only third season in. Anywa- when it, when it fell off very quickly, very suddenly, I remember thinking, "Oh, I'm good.

  5. 6:347:45

    When Idris Elba found out he was no longer the host

    1. IE

      I'm, I'm Stringer Bell."

    2. TN

      Yeah.

    3. IE

      And that was a tough s- pill to swallow, although I did work, but it was not the same.

    4. TN

      You see, that's, that's something I don't even think about.

    5. IE

      Mm.

    6. TN

      Just my character dying.

    7. IE

      [laughs]

    8. TN

      Like, when I'm, when I'm doing, when I'm doing a hosting gig-

    9. IE

      Yeah

    10. TN

      ... when I'm doing comedy, there's not even a moment where I think to myself-

    11. IE

      [laughs]

    12. TN

      ... "Yep, someone might surprise me and tell me, 'Hey, Trevor, after the next ad break-

    13. IE

      [laughs]

    14. TN

      ... you are no longer the host. There's a whole, there's a, there's a piano that's gonna drop on your head, and, uh, you're gone.'"

    15. IE

      Yeah.

    16. TN

      That's-

    17. IE

      That, that was... It was a bit like this, you know. Um, you usually get your scripts, you know, like two, three f- in a, in a row, they write them.

    18. TN

      Right.

    19. IE

      And I think the way I got it, I got, I got episode seven. I was like, "Oh, um, episode se- I got episode seven. Where's eight? Can I get eight?" "What's wrong?" "Uh, you're, you're not, not, you're not in eight." "What, what do you mean I'm not in eight?" "You should read, you should read it." [laughs] And that's how I kind of found out. I was like, "Wait. Whoo. Stringer, Stringer, Stringer, Stringer. What?"

  6. 7:4510:11

    Idris Elba playing everything

    1. IE

      And it was crazy. It was like that. That's how I found out. And to your point, you know, it was, it was scary. Yeah.

    2. TN

      You have, I, I, I will say, from the outside at least, one of the most amazing careers in that you, you've played everything, you play everyone, you exist everywhere doing everything. Some people want you to be Idris Elba the action star.

    3. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    4. TN

      You know what I mean?

    5. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    6. TN

      But then some people go, "Man, Idris Elba can also be the, the vulnerable love interest."

    7. IE

      Mm, mm, mm.

    8. TN

      And then obviously, you know, you're in Avengers. You, you know, you, you're-

    9. IE

      Mm

    10. TN

      ... out there conquering, Fast and the Furious, et cetera.

    11. IE

      Mm.

    12. TN

      I know that it wasn't easy, but I wanna know how and why you thought you could play something more than the industry wanted you to play, because if you're successful as a gangster, Hollywood goes, "You're a gangster."

    13. IE

      Mm.

    14. TN

      And it's not even, like, a negative thing. Hollywood just goes, "We know that you can do this-

    15. IE

      Mm-hmm

    16. TN

      ... so you can do this."

    17. IE

      You do this. Mm, mm.

    18. TN

      You chose not to do that.

    19. IE

      Mm.

    20. TN

      Why?

    21. IE

      I think I learned early on the power of no. Like, I, when I, when I moved to America to, to become an actor there, my career in England wasn't bad. It was good, you know. I was-

    22. TN

      How old were you when you moved?

    23. IE

      I was probably about 25, 26 years old.

    24. TN

      Oh, damn.

    25. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    26. TN

      Okay.

    27. IE

      And there was this junction where I said, "I'm not gonna do what you want me to do in England. I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna jump ship and go to America." And the power of no was my liberator, 'cause in England there was this definite glass ceiling. You could see it coming, you know. It was like, you're gonna play one kind of role, and in England, it's a smaller market.

    28. TN

      Yeah.

    29. IE

      Back then, going to America was like a, "What? You're going where?"

    30. TN

      [laughs]

  7. 10:1111:54

    How Idris Elba came to the US

    1. TN

      Yeah, but talk me through some of the doubts. You come from the UK.

    2. IE

      Mm.

    3. TN

      You're doing, you're doing decently there.

    4. IE

      Mm.

    5. TN

      Right? It's, it's a small market, but it's a robust market.

    6. IE

      Mm.

    7. TN

      You know, once you're in, you're working-

    8. IE

      Mm

    9. TN

      ... you're doing things, BBC-

    10. IE

      Yeah

    11. TN

      ... you know, Channel 4, whatever. You come to the US. It wasn't an overnight thing for you, though, in the US, was it?

    12. IE

      No, no. I mean, the f- the first two or three years was just flatline.

    13. TN

      'Cause I've, I've heard rumors of you working at, like, a comedy club. I remember someone saying this once.

    14. IE

      Yeah.

    15. TN

      They were like, "I met Idris at a comedy club." And I was like, "What do you mean you met Idris, like, doing stand-up?" They're like, "No, no, he was working the door."

    16. IE

      I wasn't doing stand-up. I was standing up at the door-

    17. TN

      [laughs]

    18. IE

      ... is what I was doing. Um-

    19. TN

      The original stand-up

    20. IE

      The original stand-up. [laughs] Um-

    21. TN

      No, but okay, so talk, talk me through. So what part of the career is this happening in? So you've come to the US.

    22. IE

      Yeah, I've come.

    23. TN

      Yeah.

    24. IE

      I, I had some savings.

    25. TN

      Yeah.

    26. IE

      Um, my wife at the time, I was married. You know, we were young. We were like, "Let's go to America." Had savings. I was like, "Power of no. This is great. We're out here." I didn't work for t- two years.

    27. TN

      Damn.

    28. IE

      Straight. Straight 24 months, no money, and my savings ran out in the first six months, and it was a struggs. So, you know, that's where I started to DJ in New York. I brought my records over. Literally, I shipped over six crates of records.

    29. TN

      This is wild.

    30. IE

      And I moved from New York, 'cause I couldn't afford New York. I ended up in Jersey City, where the rent much, much cheaper.

  8. 11:5413:58

    Idris Elbas motivation

    1. IE

      home.

    2. TN

      Yeah, but you, you didn't think of going home 6 months in, 8 months in, 12 months in, 16 months in?

    3. IE

      No.

    4. TN

      What, what's, what is keeping you from going home during that mo- Like, what is, what is the motivating force in your life that- ... didn't allow you to give up. I'm trying to understand that.

    5. IE

      I think it was, you know, I, I jumped the ship, man. Like, I had done something no English, no Black actor, no young man had done f- that I knew.

    6. TN

      Oh, yeah.

    7. IE

      Which is, I'm gonna go to America, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna be an actor over here, and I couldn't take the idea of letting that fail. I just couldn't.

    8. TN

      Oh.

    9. IE

      I did not want that to fail, and I was auditioning for a lot of them, but my accent wasn't very good. Uh, I couldn't really, you know, pull it off. Um-

    10. TN

      How did you get the accent good?

    11. IE

      Well, I was- [laughs]

    12. TN

      'Cause you, you have one of the best accents. Your accent is so good.

    13. IE

      Oh.

    14. TN

      I've seen people get angry-

    15. IE

      [laughs]

    16. TN

      ... when they discover that you're not American.

    17. IE

      Oh.

    18. TN

      I've seen people get really, like, not even angry, like, they angry that you could fool them to that level.

    19. IE

      Yeah. [laughs] No, I've, I've been in those conversations. Like, the, I think the way I got... 'Cause I was a, I was unemployed, bro, and I was living in J- New Jersey. I m- lived in Brooklyn for a little bit. Um, I was living life, you know? I was working the door, I was bartending, I was, uh, door, uh, DJing, and before you know it, you just start speaking like an American because you'd end up saying-

    20. TN

      [laughs]

    21. IE

      ... you're in the ting. You're in the ting, and then, you know, third year in, though, it started to get really struggled 'cause my wife and I were going through some stuff. She was pregnant, and, uh, there's one casting director, I talk about her all the time, Alexa Fogel. She would put me up for stuff, and she said, "Hey, listen. Uh, this Wire thing's come up. It's called The Wire. It's a pilot. They're gonna shoot it in January, but if you go in, you cannot let them know you aren't American, 'cause they will not... I mean, this is about Baltimore. It's very specific. They don't want any strangers. I mean, please." So I was auditioning for this thing, and I auditioned for four weeks straight in an American accent, and on

  9. 13:5815:42

    Idris Elbas American accent

    1. IE

      the fourth audition, you know, and, um, the producer, David Simon, and another producer who's, who's passed now, great guy, they were in the room just like this, and they said to me, um, "Idris, where are you from?"

    2. TN

      [laughs] That is the phrase every immigrant is terrified of hearing-

    3. IE

      [laughs]

    4. TN

      ... no matter where they are in the world.

    5. IE

      [laughs]

    6. TN

      Excuse me, where are you from?

    7. IE

      [laughs]

    8. TN

      [laughs]

    9. IE

      You know when your palm- palms start sweating?

    10. TN

      [laughs]

    11. IE

      You get little sweat perforations in your forehead, and you're like, "Oh, man." And I'm thinking to myself, "They told you don't say nothing."

    12. TN

      Yeah.

    13. IE

      And I'm thinking, "Oh, your accent is shit. Oh, he sussed you." And I was like, I'm looking at him, and by, by this time, I've known him, this fourth audition.

    14. TN

      Yeah.

    15. IE

      "Hey, Idris, come on. Sit down. Why don't you do the scene again?" You know, that kind of thing. I look at him and I said, um, "I'm from East London." The room just exploded. "Oh, my God. I told you. No, you didn't know? You didn't know?" They ex- And I'm sitting there, "Whoa. What, what is going on?" They was like, "Yo, we had a bet. I t- I said that he's not from Baltimore. He's not from Brooklyn. He's from somewhere else. Well, I thought maybe Jamaican, maybe Haitian. You're from England?" And this is the conversation. I'm sitting there. And they were like, "Okay, you got the job. You got the job. We, we, we don't want you to play Avon, though. We want you to play Stringer Bell." And I, and I was in the room, and I was-

    16. TN

      Oh, man, so you went for Avon.

    17. IE

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, "You got the job. Uh, I'll tell Alexa welcome, thank you, but wow, you owe me money." I'm walking out the room like, "Did my life just change? I don't know what's going on." And that was it. That was [laughs] that's the way I got that

  10. 15:4217:13

    Where are you from

    1. IE

      film.

    2. TN

      You see, that's, that's what I mean about serendipity. It's like I love moments like that where now I'm trying to picture the show with you as Avon. It doesn't work in my head.

    3. IE

      [laughs] No, it's different.

    4. TN

      It might have worked. It might not. You, you, you, d- but do you know what I mean?

    5. IE

      Yeah, 100%.

    6. TN

      It's just like these, these stories. I love that phrase, though, like, "Where are you from?"

    7. IE

      Yeah.

    8. TN

      Because in a way, what you said is, is, is so much deeper than, than just you putting on an accent.

    9. IE

      Mm.

    10. TN

      You lived as an American, do you know what I'm saying?

    11. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    12. TN

      I, I, I don't think that's any coincidence. I, the fact that you were grinding, the fact that you were working multiple jobs, the fact that you didn't know what was gonna happen-

    13. IE

      Mm

    14. TN

      ... from one paycheck to the next, the fact that you were, you know, in barbershops and in comedy clubs and working the bar and DJing. In, in a, in a really strange way, it's both sad and beautiful at the same time.

    15. IE

      The fact-

    16. TN

      You were living as an American.

    17. IE

      Oh, yeah. Uh, uh, the, the, the time that I knew I was American is when I had to go to the DMV to get my license.

    18. TN

      [laughs]

    19. IE

      Okay, bro? Like, if anyone knows what that is, that is like, oh, my days. That was one of the most, uh... Soon as I had my license, I was like, "Yes."

    20. TN

      [laughs]

    21. IE

      "You can't tell me nothing," because the process.

    22. TN

      Yeah, it's wild.

    23. IE

      The process was crazy. Anyway.

    24. TN

      Oh, no. No, it's, that's, that's a, that's a rite of passage, I feel like.

    25. IE

      It is.

    26. TN

      You have not lived in America until you've gone to the DMV in America. We're gonna continue this conversation right after this short break.

  11. 17:1320:14

    Moving to America

    1. TN

      But, but, like, but let's talk a little bit about that, like, where are you from, you know? There's a, there's a special connection I always feel with people who have moved from one place-

    2. IE

      Mm-hmm

    3. TN

      ... especially the place they were born and lived, to another place to try and do something that requires them to ingratiate themselves to the people of that place.

    4. IE

      Mm. Mm.

    5. TN

      You know, I, I obviously started my career in South Africa. South Africa's very similar to the UK in that we have a small industry, but it works.

    6. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    7. TN

      It's robust, you know?

    8. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    9. TN

      And you do the little that you can, and you, you do it in the world that they allow you to do it in. Going to America was ridiculous.

    10. IE

      Mm.

    11. TN

      In my world, people literally were like, "What are you doing? Why, like, why? Why America?"

    12. IE

      Mm.

    13. TN

      You know? And-

    14. IE

      And what would you say?

    15. TN

      About America?

    16. IE

      Well, about-

    17. TN

      Well, but yeah, but you see, my thing was I was never going for America. I dunno if you can relate to this, but- When I, when I look at anything that I'm doing, I try to do it to the best of my ability and almost to the end of what it is supposed to be.

    18. IE

      Right.

    19. TN

      So if I'm doing comedy, I do my best. I toured everywhere in South Africa. I started touring in Southern Africa, so I was in Namibia, I was in, uh, Zambia, I was in Botswana. I was doing my comedy everywhere. The natural extension of that comedy is going to America.

    20. IE

      Mm.

    21. TN

      Right? Because if you want to be one of the best comedians in the world, you cannot do it without performing at the top stages-

    22. IE

      At that level

    23. TN

      ... at the top levels.

    24. IE

      Yeah.

    25. TN

      I was already performing in the UK. You know, I was doing shows in everywhere from London to Brighton, Newcastle, Liverpool-

    26. IE

      [laughs]

    27. TN

      You name it.

    28. IE

      The circuit. [laughs]

    29. TN

      [laughs] Yeah, I've been, I've been there, you know? Oh, you're not, you're not bad, are you, mate?

    30. IE

      [laughs]

  12. 20:1422:56

    Accent Crisis

    1. TN

      who are you.

    2. IE

      Yeah. And you are someone else when... I wouldn't say you're someone else, right, because you always take your roots with you. If you're rooted, if you're a-

    3. TN

      Yeah, yeah

    4. IE

      ... rooted person-

    5. TN

      Yeah, yeah

    6. IE

      ... you take that with you, right? But a- adaptation-

    7. TN

      Definitely

    8. IE

      ... you know?

    9. TN

      Yeah.

    10. IE

      And I, and I think that it's not for everyone. You know, like-

    11. TN

      Yeah, there's new parts of you, definitely.

    12. IE

      100%.

    13. TN

      You know?

    14. IE

      You know, it's kinda like... I had what I call an accent crisis. I had a crisis of accent, 'cause when I came out of The Wire and, you know, if I was going to a party or whatever, I was doing an interview or something and I talked the way I talk, they'd be like, "Yo, why you talking like that, man?"

    15. TN

      [laughs]

    16. IE

      No, for real, though. What, what you doing a part? What are you doing, man? What, eh? And y- you're like f-

    17. TN

      You try to figure out if you want friction, right?

    18. IE

      That's how I talk. No, seriously.

    19. TN

      Yeah.

    20. IE

      They would almost feel like, "Yo, you, you, you, you got me, man." Like-

    21. TN

      Yeah

    22. IE

      ... "You're Stringer Bell. You come from this."

    23. TN

      Yeah.

    24. IE

      And because of The Wire especially was not a satire, these were based on a real culture, a real epidemic, if you like, of-

    25. TN

      Mm-hmm

    26. IE

      ... American underbelly. They took to my characters to the point where I had to hold myself, Idris, a certain way in definitely amongst the African American community.

    27. TN

      Right.

    28. IE

      I had to hold myself with the, the sort of respect almost they had for Stringer Bell-

    29. TN

      Yeah

    30. IE

      ... which was a man trying to do good.

  13. 22:5634:39

    Urban Rooms

    1. IE

      you know-

    2. TN

      It's funny

    3. IE

      ... culturally.

    4. TN

      I remember when I first started doing stand-up comedy in the US. The, you, you understand this. In America, they would have what they call the urban rooms-

    5. IE

      Mm-hmm

    6. TN

      ... and then rooms. Right? What that means is these are rooms where Black people watch Black comedy, and then the rest of the rooms are just, I guess, regular comedy. I always found that weird, 'cause I've, I come f- from a country that's predominantly Black.

    7. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    8. TN

      And we never looked at it like that. So anyway, they go, um, you know, people would be like, "Oh, you gotta go perform in urban rooms. Go and do some urban rooms." And so I get to these urban rooms and, you know, it's Black comedians, Black audiences, and I would get on stage, and in South Africa, number one, Africa, you greet.

    9. IE

      [laughs]

    10. TN

      So I'd walk out. I greet the audience, "Good evening, everybody." You know, and that audience would stare at me.

    11. IE

      [laughs]

    12. TN

      And I remember after one of the shows, one of my favorite people in the world, his name is, his name's, uh, Chris Spencer, comedian, really like a, like a, like a mentor to me in the game.

    13. IE

      Uh-huh.

    14. TN

      He came to me after one of the shows, and he's like, he's like, "Hey, man." He's like, "Did you steal something?" And I said, "What do you mean?" He's like, he's like, "Man, you walk on stage like you stole something." He's like, "Man, you gotta get on there and you gotta own that stage, baby. Man, you walking on there like, like you ain't supposed to be there. You start making the audience doubt themselves, man. They be looking at you like you supposed to be there?" You don't feel like you're supposed to be there. He's like, "Man, you gotta get up there." And I was like, "Well, that's not how we do." He's like, "Well, that's how we do it, baby."

    15. IE

      [laughs]

    16. TN

      He's like, "You gotta understand." He's like, "Half-

    17. IE

      So true

    18. TN

      ... he's like, "Half those people in the audience, they funnier than you. They know they're funnier than you-

    19. IE

      [laughs]

    20. TN

      ... so you better show them why you up there. You better show them why you up there."

    21. IE

      [laughs]

    22. TN

      And he like, it was a beautiful way, you know, when you connect those things.

    23. IE

      Yeah.

    24. TN

      You, you know, you, you find-

    25. IE

      That's funny

    26. TN

      ... I, I'd love to know, like, you know, in that, w- what is it that's inspired you to connect all of these parts of yourself? Because you, you, you're not just Idris Elba the movie star in Hollywood. I've always loved how you have bigged up the UK at every opportunity that you've been given.

    27. IE

      Mm.

    28. TN

      You've also bigged up African Americans at every opportunity you've been given.

    29. IE

      Mm. Mm. Mm.

    30. TN

      You've, you've, you've adopted these communities, and one that always touches me, obviously, is Africa.

  14. 34:3936:36

    Mandela vs Obama

    1. TN

      It's not the exact same

    2. IE

      ... not the same thing, but, 'cause-

    3. TN

      Well, Nel- I find, I, I never lose my Nelson Mandela. I always, um, I just, I li- like, there'll be days where I just do it for no reason. I'm, I'm being serious. I'll literally just l- like, be walking around in my room-

    4. IE

      Just there

    5. TN

      ... and I'll just be like, "Never forget those people." It's just like it's in the... I actually use-

    6. IE

      [laughs]

    7. TN

      I use my Nelson Mandela to get to my Barack Obama.

    8. IE

      Okay.

    9. TN

      Because I find they have the same... Uh, my conspiracy theory is that Mandela taught Obama how to do it-

    10. IE

      [laughs]

    11. TN

      ... [laughs] because they got the same-

    12. IE

      The cadence

    13. TN

      ... yeah, because they got the same thing, 'cause, like, you know, because Mandela has the, "I believe all South Africans all must fight for this country." He's g- got that thing, right?

    14. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    15. TN

      And then Barack, if you take, it's a natural, it's the natural progression of that, right?

    16. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    17. TN

      "I believe we can come together, and, uh, as Americans, uh, we gotta try to, uh..." You know, you, it's a stronger, uh, voice. It has a lot of... But when, whenever I lose it, I have to go back to Mandela, 'cause it's the same-

    18. IE

      Mandela

    19. TN

      ... you know what I mean?

    20. IE

      Right, right, right. [laughs]

    21. TN

      Uh, as Americans, as Americans, we gotta find, uh, our way to believe in ourselves. It's the same-

    22. IE

      [laughs]

    23. TN

      ... it's like it's in there.

    24. IE

      I'm fighting every impulse to challenge you to a Barack and a, and a Mandela right now.

    25. TN

      Why don't we do it?

    26. IE

      No, because-

    27. TN

      Because why? What's gonna happen?

    28. IE

      Because you're just gonna murder me in your-

    29. TN

      I don't believe that that's true

    30. IE

      ... in your accent.

  15. 36:3638:57

    Discovering the parts of himself

    1. TN

      It's, it's funny you say the thing about, like, knowing yourself and the pieces of yourself. I, I, I, I wonder if that's what's made you such an amazing actor, is that, like, you have been forced in life to discover the parts of yourself as a real character that makes you who you are.

    2. IE

      Yeah.

    3. TN

      Do you know what I mean?

    4. IE

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    5. TN

      And I feel like all great actors will tell you that they have to know all the parts that make the character who they are.

    6. IE

      Mm. Mm.

    7. TN

      What would you say you've brought from your life into acting, and what would you say that acting has brought into your life the other way around?

    8. IE

      Mm. I, I would say that, um, in the, the maturity of any actor, unless, unless you're a child actor and you win at your first audition and you're a star-

    9. TN

      Yeah

    10. IE

      ... but the maturity of an actor is a patient game, you know. You kiss a lot of frogs, a lot of auditions-

    11. TN

      Hmm

    12. IE

      ... a lot of nos before you get that yes, okay? A lot of rejection.

    13. TN

      Hmm.

    14. IE

      But I've had some really challenging moments in my life, and I definitely know as an actor where you have to have thick skin. You have to go through some stuff that actually is, um, traumatizing for you, right?

    15. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    16. IE

      Y- you know, when you play a role like Luther, for example, he sees a lot of murder, destruction-

    17. TN

      Yeah

    18. IE

      ... okay, blahdy blah. I go and I play that role, and I play it to all of my ability, but my body doesn't actually know I'm acting.

    19. TN

      That's the thing people take for granted, I think.

    20. IE

      [laughs] Right?

    21. TN

      Yeah.

    22. IE

      You know? So when I'm crying, all the trauma, I'm yelling or I'm, my head's about to blo- explode, it's, it's great acting, great, but actually my body doesn't know the difference.

    23. TN

      What do you do to get back to Idris, and how do you work on releasing that from you as a person?

    24. IE

      I, the first thing is to acknowledge that, you know, you're acting, bro.

    25. TN

      Yeah.

    26. IE

      This is not real. Go do something for yourself. Go treat yourself good. Go-

    27. TN

      Oh, nice

    28. IE

      ... take some therapy.

    29. TN

      Okay.

    30. IE

      Like, all of that has helped me become, I think, a better human being because I, I know my bo- I, I'm so dedicated to my characters-

  16. 38:5741:41

    DJing

    1. TN

      all, that's all for you.

    2. IE

      Yeah.

    3. TN

      That's you.

    4. IE

      That's, that's, yeah.

    5. TN

      'Cause I've seen people ask many times. They will say, "What are you doing, man? You've worked so hard-

    6. IE

      Mm

    7. TN

      ... to climb the mountain that is Hollywood. You have broken through so many barriers."

    8. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    9. TN

      "And then mans turns around and says he's a DJ-

    10. IE

      [laughs]

    11. TN

      ... and he's making music, and he's taking a step back from acting, and he's..."

    12. IE

      Mm.

    13. TN

      But I've seen you on the decks. You are having the time of your life.

    14. IE

      Mm, mm.

    15. TN

      But I didn't know that you were doing it for you.

    16. IE

      Me-

    17. TN

      I, I thought, I thought you were looking for another challenge or another thing, but this, that's like you.

    18. IE

      It's, I need it. I need the balance. I need the, the natural juices that come from that. 'Cause I-

    19. TN

      What, what is it, what is it about DJing in, in particular?

    20. IE

      It's, it's-

    21. TN

      I used to DJ, so I wanna know what you-

    22. IE

      For me, it's, um, it, there's a really beautiful energy sweet point, right? It's like when you make some- when you make a whole room laugh with one gesture.

    23. TN

      Yeah.

    24. IE

      That absolute pinnacle moment is a energy that you can't replicate, and it's like when you mix two songs together and the crowd go, "Ah!" That, you can't, I can't get that from acting.

    25. TN

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

    26. IE

      You know? So but when you DJ, do anything like that, that feel, that feeling is real, and that energy that I get from doing that is, like, rejuvenating. It's like, that's the stuff, that's the stuff my batteries are really made of, you know what I'm saying? So I do it for th- I do those, I do all these different things for therapy-

    27. TN

      Yeah

    28. IE

      ... because I really do commit to my roles, you know what I mean, in a way that my body doesn't know.

    29. TN

      How long have you been DJing for? When did you start?

    30. IE

      Uh, I started when I was 13.

  17. 41:4144:34

    DJing in the hood

    1. IE

      have you been DJing?

    2. TN

      So I DJed for... Oh, goodness. I started straight off, straight after high school. I, um, I, I was making music on a PC, so I was playing with everything from-

    3. IE

      I see

    4. TN

      ... yeah, from mixing the music to Fruity Loops and, you know, Pro Tools and trying to play around with that stuff. A friend saw me doing it. He said, "Yo, you should come and DJ for people." I was like, "I don't do that." He said, "No, you do. Just, just come and do it." And I would sit there. Yo, when I tell you I was the biggest nerd-

    5. IE

      [laughs]

    6. TN

      I would come there with a full PC rig. 'Cause it's not sexy like now with a laptop and you've got your... No.

    7. IE

      PC. [laughs]

    8. TN

      I'm talking, like, a full-on... You remember, like, the, that cream-colored-

    9. IE

      Yeah

    10. TN

      ... screen?

    11. IE

      And the big plastic.

    12. TN

      The, yeah-

    13. IE

      Yeah, yeah

    14. TN

      ... the big box.

    15. IE

      Yeah.

    16. TN

      I'd come there looking like I'm about to set up somebody's network. I'd put that stuff down.

    17. IE

      [laughs]

    18. TN

      This is in the hood, by the way, proper in the hood, and people are looking at me, and they w- and people would come and be like, "Sorry, sir. Where's, who's the DJ?" And I'm like, "I'm the DJ." And they go, "Where's, where's your, wh- where's your turntable?" I said, "No, I use a computer."

    19. IE

      [laughs]

    20. TN

      And they're like, "For music?" And I was like-

    21. IE

      [laughs]

    22. TN

      ... "Yeah." And you could see their faces go like, "Oh, this is not gonna end well"

    23. IE

      [laughs]

    24. TN

      "This is not gonna end well." Yo, and then I would play... That, that was me, and I would just sit there mixing songs for, like, six hours live.

    25. IE

      Really?

    26. TN

      Yeah, because you could have that much music, and I would play everything. I would go... You'd start off with, like... You know, I'd start off with, like, slow BPMs. I'd be in, like, the 70s, 80s warming things up. It'd be, like, Jagged Edge and all of that.

    27. IE

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    28. TN

      Get to, like, 94 BPM, move things up.

    29. IE

      Okay.

    30. TN

      Yeah, and then at some point I'd, like, warm it up, warm it up. We get to, like, hip hop. Midnight, we'd start playing house.

  18. 44:3448:21

    State of Hollywood

    1. TN

      We got, um, Idris the actor, Idris the DJ, Idris the, um, I- I say this, and I don't say this lightly. I think the world builder.

    2. IE

      Mm.

    3. TN

      You, you have a, you have a statesman vibe to you, and I've, I've seen you with people. Like, you, you wanna create, you wanna build, you wanna grow. Like, when you look at the world you're in now-

    4. IE

      Mm

    5. TN

      ... first of all, where do you, where do you see the state of Hollywood and acting and, and content and everything right now? 'Cause it's definitely changing.

    6. IE

      Mm.

    7. TN

      You can't deny it. I mean, some would even argue you're the last, um, you know, the last of the, of the superstars, of, like, the real Hollywood, you know?

    8. IE

      [laughs]

    9. TN

      It's... No, no, really. It's, it's, it's changing-

    10. IE

      Wow

    11. TN

      ... I think. It's becoming a lot more niche. And, and you could see at the SAG Awards people talking about this, people saying, "You know, I, I played this role. I got to do that. This is what my dream was. This is how I am."

    12. IE

      Mm.

    13. TN

      "Well, I got to do this for the first time."

    14. IE

      Mm.

    15. TN

      "I got to play this type of character-

    16. IE

      Mm

    17. TN

      ... when nobody said I could." What excites you about the industry right now, and, and where do you still wanna see the industry gr- grow and change?

    18. IE

      Mm. You know, um, the, our industry has taken on incredible change, shape-shifting, over the last, I'd say, 10 years.

    19. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    20. IE

      And it sort of, sort of began really slowly with this conversation around diversity, around our societies looking like the TV shows we were watching-

    21. TN

      Mm-hmm

    22. IE

      ... and seeing that it wasn't. And then peeling the onion back even further and seeing that there wasn't very much equality within it behind the scenes. So, you know, the, sort of gender debate-

    23. TN

      Yeah

    24. IE

      ... springing into action, Me Too and all this. So over the last 10 years we've seen, uh, uh, an industry that's gone through, I think, a very healthy health check. You know what I mean? Checking itself.

    25. TN

      Mm.

    26. IE

      You know what I'm saying? The history that essentially rewarded people for bad behavior suddenly said enough of that, in a healthy way. Okay? Alongside that, though, came this sort of interesting expansion with the digital era.

    27. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    28. IE

      Just more, you know. I mean, I come from a period where in England there was four or five channels.

    29. TN

      Yeah.

    30. IE

      Okay? And you watched one of those five. [laughs]

  19. 48:2152:32

    Africa

    1. IE

      What?

    2. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    3. IE

      How are we getting our stories? You know, I think about our industry with a sort of opto-futurist perspective.

    4. TN

      Hmm.

    5. IE

      Because as much as I've worked gladly for 30, 35 years in- You know, in America and England, I've had the most incredible opportunities and career. I still think I've got more to offer when I think about Africa. You know, when we saw what happened with Black Panther and the sort of Afro-futurism world was sort of really exploding, everyone's like, "Whoa, whoa, what is this? This is incredible." That was a moment where you're saying, yeah, you know, albeit Marvel, but it was a moment where the world sort of stood up and was like, "Oh, wait a second, there's, there's African superstars? What?"

    6. TN

      Yeah, yeah.

    7. IE

      "Wait, there's African sci-fi? What?" And just imagine what that could do, you know? And it does make me excited.

    8. TN

      What, what, what's your dream? I, I ask everyone on the podcast, um, what now? Because I find whenever I meet people, um, they're always at an inflection point. Something's about to happen or something has happened, and now they're moving on-

    9. IE

      Mm

    10. TN

      ... or they're thinking of the next step.

    11. IE

      Mm.

    12. TN

      You are constantly moving towards the next step, you know? And-

    13. IE

      Mm

    14. TN

      ... and in a really peaceful way, I might add. You know? It's, it's always been fun to watch the way, the way you move. You seem both grateful and also still hungry-

    15. IE

      Mm

    16. TN

      ... which is a, which is a hard balance to find.

    17. IE

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TN

      So, so what now? What do you dream of in your world? You know, if you could, if you could wave your magic wand, what would Idris be doing for the next decade?

    19. IE

      Um, if I could wave my magic wand, it would be, I would be part of, uh, the African film industry's growth.

    20. TN

      Yeah.

    21. IE

      Seeing studios, seeing African streaming companies, seeing producers, you know, live on the international stage while bringing collaborators into the continent.

    22. TN

      I love that.

    23. IE

      As well as cl- sending our stories internationally, you know? Um, that would be, I would sit as a performer, as a director, as a producer, as a, a vessel in that, you know, in that dream.

    24. TN

      I love that.

    25. IE

      That's what I would do. I mean, you know, um, um, I, I, I really appreciate your words, man, because you said quietly, and I take that to mean humbly, you know?

    26. TN

      Mm-hmm.

    27. IE

      I'm humbly appreciative of the opportunities I have. I'm humbly respectful that I've been invited to this Investopia to come and talk about this dream, and that I could possibly raise some partnerships for it. So it's an exciting time. I'm hoping that one day you and me make a movie together.

    28. TN

      Hey. All right.

    29. IE

      Real talk.

    30. TN

      All right.

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