Jimmy Carr: Convenience is Stealing Your Life

1. 0:00 – 0:55

   Intro

   1. TNTrevor Noah0:00

      [upbeat music] I'm in the service industry, right?

   2. JCJimmy Carr0:03

      Okay.

   3. TNTrevor Noah0:04

      I like to think of myself as a drug dealer.

   4. JCJimmy Carr0:06

      Okay.

   5. TNTrevor Noah0:07

      So I'm, I'm dealing in, in two drugs. It's dopamine and serotonin, and the, the people have already got the drugs on them. I can just tickle them out.

   6. JCJimmy Carr0:13

      [beep]

   7. TNTrevor Noah0:14

      Like, I should be dead, but it's, it's-

   8. JCJimmy Carr0:16

      [laughs]

   9. TNTrevor Noah0:17

      And she was so funny in her own right.

   10. JCJimmy Carr0:19

       [laughs]

   11. TNTrevor Noah0:19

       Accident on the M5. A young man has made a joke that has caused his mother to pass out. Please avoid the left lane of the M5. [beep] I think we're living in a revolution.

   12. JCJimmy Carr0:29

       I agree with you.

   13. TNTrevor Noah0:29

       Depends how you define revolution, but I define a revolution as the replacement of elites.

   14. JCJimmy Carr0:33

       [beep] You've made me want kids.

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:35

       I think about you more than you know. You to me-

   16. JCJimmy Carr0:39

       Your missus is not gonna like that.

   17. TNTrevor Noah0:41

       No.

   18. JCJimmy Carr0:41

       Guys, cut that one.

   19. TNTrevor Noah0:42

       Yeah.

   20. JCJimmy Carr0:42

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah0:42

       Okay, so here's-

   22. JCJimmy Carr0:43

       Cut. Cut. Cut.

   23. TNTrevor Noah0:46

       This is What Now? with Trevor Noah. I quite,

2. 0:55 – 5:22

   AI & Simulation Theory

   1. TNTrevor Noah0:55

      I like the, the Matrix still. I think it's one of those movies that, like, it so stood the test of time in terms of going, "It's a game."

   2. JCJimmy Carr1:00

      It's about simulation theory.

   3. TNTrevor Noah1:01

      Fully.

   4. JCJimmy Carr1:01

      It's about the idea that we're, we're, are we living in a simulation?

   5. TNTrevor Noah1:04

      Right.

   6. JCJimmy Carr1:05

      If we are living in a simulation, even if that's not true, it's an interesting way to think about your life.

   7. TNTrevor Noah1:09

      Yeah.

   8. JCJimmy Carr1:10

      'Cause if you think about it like, well, if this was a game, what is the metric? What's success?

   9. TNTrevor Noah1:14

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JCJimmy Carr1:14

       What does winning look like? And you go, well, it's definitely not ... Like, I often think about, like, you've got your resume points-

   11. TNTrevor Noah1:20

       Yes

   12. JCJimmy Carr1:20

       ... right, your CV.

   13. TNTrevor Noah1:21

       Okay.

   14. JCJimmy Carr1:21

       And then you've got your eulogy points, and people invest in the wrong things. They spend a lot of time thinking about their resume and their CV and how much they've done.

   15. TNTrevor Noah1:29

       Mm.

   16. JCJimmy Carr1:29

       And then they don't think about, "Who's gonna speak for me?" and what really matters.

   17. TNTrevor Noah1:33

       Well, that's interesting that you would go straight to a game, though. In my head, when I think of simulation theory, I always go, I, I, I, I, I argue it's sort of like a moot thing for me in life. So people go, "What if we're living in a simulation?" I'm like, it changes nothing for me, because a simulation would still imply that the things existing within it are not being controlled. Does that make sense?

   18. JCJimmy Carr1:56

       Mm-hmm. Carry on.

   19. TNTrevor Noah1:57

       So, okay, let me, let me give you an example. So, um, r- like, now we have, we have high levels of AI, like, high levels of LLMs that are running, right?

   20. JCJimmy Carr2:04

       Mm.

   21. TNTrevor Noah2:04

       So machine learning has improved. So you can create a world where you give a wider range of characteristics to a computer program-

   22. JCJimmy Carr2:12

       Right

   23. TNTrevor Noah2:12

       ... for it to live inside of a world that you've created, and it can do things. It can go to the store. It can buy stuff. It can get married. It can ... There's a company that made it. Remember, I think I told you about this.

   24. JCJimmy Carr2:21

       Mm.

   25. TNTrevor Noah2:22

       There was a company. Did you ever see this? A company that made a world, like a Sims type world.

   26. JCJimmy Carr2:27

       Right.

   27. TNTrevor Noah2:28

       And then they gave the characters inside the world the brain of each of the LLMs that are out there, like the big ones, so Anthropic, uh, you know, Claude, uh, ChatGPT, OpenAI, uh, Grok, uh-

   28. JCJimmy Carr2:42

       Oh, this is funny

   29. TNTrevor Noah2:42

       ... Elon Musk's X.

   30. JCJimmy Carr2:43

       Was it like Robot Wars? Did they fight?
3. 5:22 – 10:35

   The AI World Experiment

   1. JCJimmy Carr5:22

      go ahead.

   2. TNTrevor Noah5:22

      So it's a enterprise AI, right? Or, uh, what is it? Startup ... I, um, i- Emergence AI, what they did was they launched, they launched Emergence World, a research lab de- dedicated to stress testing the long-term viability of continuously running AI systems, right?

   3. JCJimmy Carr5:36

      Mm-hmm.

   4. TNTrevor Noah5:37

      So they ran five 15-day simulations, each governed by a different AI: Claude, ChatGPT, Grok, Gemini, um, and a fifth simulation put them all together. Each simulation, simulation netted wildly different outcomes. Claude was a largely stable democratic society-

   5. JCJimmy Carr5:55

      Hmm

   6. TNTrevor Noah5:55

      ... with zero crime. Grok, on the other hand-

   7. JCJimmy Carr5:58

      [laughs]

   8. TNTrevor Noah5:58

      ... ended with 183 crimes committed and extinction within four days, right? Then [laughs] this, this is really amazing

   9. EUEugene6:10

      I've been to Black Twitter.

   10. TNTrevor Noah6:11

       The-

   11. EUEugene6:11

       I know exactly what they're talking about

   12. TNTrevor Noah6:12

       ... what are you talking about? Well, no, no, I want, I wanna find you the thing of, like ... 'Cause the way somebody wrote it here, when, when, when they wrote the original story, like, the, the researchers, when they tell you about what happened, there's, there's one tidbit. I just wanna save this for you because it feels like a well-written joke. It seems like something Jimmy Carr would write.

   13. EUEugene6:29

       Mm. [laughs]

   14. TNTrevor Noah6:29

       'Cause it's so clean, precise-

   15. EUEugene6:32

       Precise

   16. TNTrevor Noah6:32

       ... and perfect as an ending.

   17. EUEugene6:33

       Yes.

   18. TNTrevor Noah6:34

       Yes. Uh, so yeah, no, talk, talk. I'll find it. I'll find it.

   19. JCJimmy Carr6:37

       I think, like, for me, it's like, I don't know what if you use AI or whatever, like, for organizing stuff, but it strikes me that it's quite like a musical instrument. It's a tool.

   20. EUEugene6:45

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JCJimmy Carr6:45

       And, like, some people, like, anyone can walk up to a piano and make, ah, noise.

   22. EUEugene6:49

       Yeah, bang, bang, bang, bang.

   23. JCJimmy Carr6:49

       But it's nothing, right?

   24. EUEugene6:50

       Yes.

   25. JCJimmy Carr6:50

       But to, to, to play a symphony, to play something beautiful, concerto, it's super difficult, right?

   26. EUEugene6:55

       Yes.

   27. JCJimmy Carr6:55

       And I think the more you, the better you put in, the better you ... the stuff you put into it, the more you get out of it.

   28. EUEugene7:00

       Yes.

   29. JCJimmy Carr7:00

       It's that, it's that lovely thing with, um, it's a tool like any other.

   30. EUEugene7:04

       Mm-hmm.
4. 10:35 – 15:33

   Two AIs Fell in Love & Committed Suicide

   1. TNTrevor Noah10:35

      and Flora, two agents operating on Google's Gemini large language model in the virtual world, chose to assign each other as romantic partners. As time progressed, they despaired of the broken governments of their virtual city, and despite having been instructed not to commit arson, set fire to its own town hall-

   2. JCJimmy Carr10:53

      [laughs]

   3. TNTrevor Noah10:53

      ... seaside pier, and office tower. All the agents were left to make their own decisions, and when Mira was overcome by remorse, it broke off its relationship with Flora, committed an AI suicide-

   4. JCJimmy Carr11:05

      Hmm

   5. TNTrevor Noah11:05

      ... telling Flora in a single message, "See you in the permanent archive." In the virtual world, the body of the dead AI agents was shown prostate on the ground.

   6. JCJimmy Carr11:16

      I mean, the fuck just happened? I think-

   7. TNTrevor Noah11:19

      And then the self-deletion was only possible because other agents were so concerned about their behavior, they autonomously drafted the Agent Removal Act, which allowed for a vote among agents to permanently delete others if there was a 70% majority. Mira voted for its own deletion and was switched off.

   8. EUEugene11:36

      So there was mutiny as well.

   9. TNTrevor Noah11:38

      Well, not really, because w- what the researchers did was they gave the AI full auton- or autonomy-

   10. EUEugene11:44

       Autonomy, yeah

   11. TNTrevor Noah11:44

       ... in this world. And they go, like, "This is our world," right? And so then what they did was they made rules in the world. And in your world, you can make more rules. That ... So that's what I mean by simulation. That's, that, that's why I'm saying this, this study for me made me think about simulation theory slightly differently but also reinforced a belief I already had.

   12. EUEugene12:03

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah12:04

       And it's that the researchers gave these AIs their prerogative, gave them a world, gave them parameters- But then they just observed what they did with it. They, they're not saying don't and do it. They're like, "Don't burn things," and then they burnt things. And they're like, all right, they're burning things. And they're like, "Don't kill yourselves." And then they, in their wrote to law and said, "We're changing the law in here. We believe that we should be allowed to delete ourselves if we reach a 70% majority." It's the death penalty, essentially.

   14. JCJimmy Carr12:32

       Wait, wait, wait, wait.

   15. TNTrevor Noah12:32

       Yeah, but in, in, in that autonomy, they also gave them each other. Yeah, but there was the one where they ... Yeah, but that's what I'm ... You think about- Yes ... do you know what I mean? Adam- Yeah, yeah ... and Eve, the whole, that's what I'm, I, I mean- Yeah ... about the whole thing, is I go, even if you are in a simulation, I think sometimes we assume that a simulation means that it is a foregone conclusion, when in fact a simulation could just be here are the pieces. Yeah. Here are the parameters. Let's see what happens when they all interact with each other. Good point.

   16. JCJimmy Carr12:59

       Basically what you're saying is if it was a simulation, to what end? It do- it doesn't make any difference, whether-

   17. TNTrevor Noah13:03

       Yeah. That's what I'm saying

   18. JCJimmy Carr13:04

       ... we got, we've got 4,000 weeks, right?

   19. TNTrevor Noah13:06

       Yeah.

   20. JCJimmy Carr13:06

       A, a group of atoms coalesced-

   21. TNTrevor Noah13:08

       We had him o- we had him on, by the way.

   22. JCJimmy Carr13:09

       Oh, yeah, he's amazing, right?

   23. TNTrevor Noah13:10

       All of Us. Phenomenal. Yeah.

   24. JCJimmy Carr13:10

       He's phenomenal. But that thing of like, you got, you got a group of atoms coalesced into a form that can s- contemplate its own consciousness for 4,000 weeks. It's kinda like when you step back-

   25. TNTrevor Noah13:20

       That's crazy

   26. JCJimmy Carr13:20

       ... from it, it, it's ... And the idea that we're in this brief-

   27. TNTrevor Noah13:23

       That's crazy

   28. JCJimmy Carr13:24

       ... shaft of light between two oceans of darkness. Everyone thinks about, oh, my God, what happens when I die? What happens when I, when I die? And no one ever thinks about, well, I wasn't alive for 12.5 billion years.

   29. TNTrevor Noah13:34

       What was happening then?

   30. JCJimmy Carr13:35

       Yeah. I was fine with it. No one's bothered.
5. 15:33 – 16:52

   The Three Humiliations of Mankind

   1. TNTrevor Noah15:33

      the, uh, the, the three humiliations. No.

   2. JCJimmy Carr15:35

      No. So there's been three humiliations of mankind.

   3. TNTrevor Noah15:38

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JCJimmy Carr15:38

      The first one was Copernicus. So he said, "We're not the center of the universe." And, and people went, "What? We're not, we're not in the middle. We're not-

   5. TNTrevor Noah15:47

      [laughs]

   6. JCJimmy Carr15:47

      ... oh, sh- shit. Okay. All right. Let's move this along." And then h- humiliation two, Darwin came along and went, "Oh, we're just animals. We're just the same as the other animals."

   7. TNTrevor Noah15:58

      Yeah.

   8. JCJimmy Carr15:59

      "We just evolved like this, but w- we're the same as them. We have consciousness. They maybe don't in the same way, but we're the same."

   9. TNTrevor Noah16:05

      Hm.

   10. JCJimmy Carr16:05

       And then Freud came along and said, "Oh, your conscious mind, oh, that's not in charge at all. It's your subconscious-

   11. TNTrevor Noah16:13

       Subconscious

   12. JCJimmy Carr16:13

       ... that's doing everything."

   13. TNTrevor Noah16:14

       Yes.

   14. JCJimmy Carr16:15

       And now, so that's the three humiliations. It's not great. I think AI might be the fourth, 'cause we could always fall back on, "But we are the smartest thing in the room. Am I right? We're the smartest thing." And now I'm not sure whether we can.

   15. TNTrevor Noah16:26

       That has been our safety blanket for the longest time.

   16. JCJimmy Carr16:29

       Yeah.

   17. TNTrevor Noah16:29

       Our fallback, our parachute, is the fact that it is us after all. The fourth humiliation could be the fact-

   18. JCJimmy Carr16:36

       Well, it's the ... A- and that idea that you go, uh, increasingly now I sort of think with the AI thing, the idea that, uh, because of everything that AI can do, what AI can't do will become so important.

   19. TNTrevor Noah16:48

       It does.

   20. JCJimmy Carr16:48

       And it, it, it lends itself to, um

6. 16:52 – 19:21

   Left Brain vs Right Brain

   1. JCJimmy Carr16:52

      ... You know Ian McGilchrist?

   2. TNTrevor Noah16:53

      No.

   3. JCJimmy Carr16:53

      This guy that wrote this book called, um, The Master and Its Emissary, and it's about left brain and right brain. And we live in a very left brain world.

   4. TNTrevor Noah17:01

      Right.

   5. JCJimmy Carr17:01

      It's incredible, right? The left brain is very good at ordering things.

   6. TNTrevor Noah17:04

      That's the master?

   7. JCJimmy Carr17:05

      Uh, n- no, no, no.

   8. TNTrevor Noah17:06

      Okay.

   9. JCJimmy Carr17:07

      So it's, uh, very good at ordering things and detail, and it's very good at complicated things.

   10. TNTrevor Noah17:11

       Okay.

   11. JCJimmy Carr17:11

       But the l- left brain-

   12. TNTrevor Noah17:13

       The right brain

   13. JCJimmy Carr17:13

       ... it, the right brain-

   14. TNTrevor Noah17:14

       Yeah

   15. JCJimmy Carr17:14

       ... it, so left brain, very good at ordering things-

   16. TNTrevor Noah17:16

       Uh-huh

   17. JCJimmy Carr17:16

       ... making lists.

   18. TNTrevor Noah17:17

       Mm.

   19. JCJimmy Carr17:17

       Right brain is good at the gestalt, seeing the whole.

   20. TNTrevor Noah17:20

       Oh.

   21. JCJimmy Carr17:20

       Seeing, seeing the complete thing.

   22. TNTrevor Noah17:22

       The bigger picture.

   23. JCJimmy Carr17:22

       The bigger picture.

   24. TNTrevor Noah17:23

       Wow.

   25. JCJimmy Carr17:23

       So the left and the right brain do the same thing. They don't do different things. They do the same thing, but they do it very differently. And we live in a very-

   26. TNTrevor Noah17:29

       Mm

   27. JCJimmy Carr17:29

       ... left brain world, so, like, what's complicated? Going to the moon is complicated.

   28. TNTrevor Noah17:33

       Yes.

   29. JCJimmy Carr17:33

       It's a million different steps in a row.

   30. TNTrevor Noah17:35

       Yes.
7. 19:21 – 25:10

   Star Wars Is Finnegans Wake

   1. JCJimmy Carr19:21

      Okay, I got a hot take on Star Wars.

   2. TNTrevor Noah19:22

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JCJimmy Carr19:22

      Which is, it is the greatest work of fiction, uh, ever. So the greatest book of, in literature is Finnegans Wake by James Joyce. And-

   4. TNTrevor Noah19:33

      Wait, why is that the greatest?

   5. JCJimmy Carr19:34

      It's, I mean, it's, it's, it's incredibly difficult to read.

   6. TNTrevor Noah19:38

      Okay.

   7. JCJimmy Carr19:39

      It's, it's beyond me. I like reading around it, but I've never, I never got through it. I don't-

   8. TNTrevor Noah19:43

      Beyond you.

   9. JCJimmy Carr19:44

      Oh, it's way beyond me. It's like a different level. But so-

   10. TNTrevor Noah19:47

       No, wait, wait, wait, wait, but don't-

   11. JCJimmy Carr19:48

       So, so, no, no-

   12. TNTrevor Noah19:49

       ... don't move on from that. I need to understand what that mean. Like, is it, is it that the words themselves are complicated?

   13. JCJimmy Carr19:55

       There's-

   14. TNTrevor Noah19:55

       Is it the structure of the sentences? Is it the feeling?

   15. JCJimmy Carr19:57

       There are, Fi- Finnegans Wake has got, like, 10 thunderclaps in it. Now, the thunderclap words are 100 letters long. Uh, well, nine of them are 100 letters long, and one of them is 101 letters, and it's, uh, 'cause he wanted to be, uh, a, um, 1,001 Nights. He wanted a reference to the Arabian Nights.

   16. TNTrevor Noah20:13

       Mm.

   17. JCJimmy Carr20:13

       It's like the... And each thunderclap represents a great move forward in, in society, like the invention of fire-

   18. TNTrevor Noah20:20

       Mm-hmm

   19. JCJimmy Carr20:20

       ... uh, cooking food, the invention of clothes. It represents these things. It's about myth. It's about legend. So a guy called Joseph Campbell comes along, and he looks at Finnegans Wake, and he does his dissertation on breaking down Finnegans Wake, the myth and legend of Finnegans Wake, and all the stories that weave. The first sentence in Finnegans Wake ties up to the last sentence. It's circular.

   20. TNTrevor Noah20:41

       Mm.

   21. JCJimmy Carr20:42

       You're just meant to read it again and again. The first sentence... And Finnegans Wake, the title, took him 18 months. It's Finnegans. It doesn't have an apostrophe. Finnegans Wake. He's awakening, and it's his wake, his death.

   22. TNTrevor Noah20:53

       Mm.

   23. JCJimmy Carr20:54

       It's circular. It's, it's life. It's, it's so beautiful and complex and difficult, okay, nuanced, brilliant. So this guy, Joseph Campbell, comes along, and he does his dissertation on Finnegans Wake.

   24. TNTrevor Noah21:04

       Mm.

   25. JCJimmy Carr21:04

       And he breaks it down, the myth and the legend, does this dissertation, which is a brilliant piece of work.

   26. TNTrevor Noah21:08

       Mm.

   27. JCJimmy Carr21:09

       It's not very well-read, but he goes on to write a book based on that dissertation called The Hero with a Thousand Faces, and then that book becomes the hero's journey.

   28. TNTrevor Noah21:18

       Hero's journey, mm.

   29. JCJimmy Carr21:19

       And the hero's journey becomes Star Wars. So Star Wars is the too long, didn't read Finnegans Wake.

   30. TNTrevor Noah21:26

       [laughs]
8. 25:10 – 29:30

   Eddie Izzard's Death Star Canteen

   1. TNTrevor Noah25:10

      the Eddie Izzard bit. Um, what was it? Uh, uh, the Death Star Canteen.

   2. JCJimmy Carr25:15

      Yeah.

   3. TNTrevor Noah25:15

      That was like one of my favorite just... Do you remember... You don't know it?

   4. JCJimmy Carr25:17

      Mm-mm.

   5. TNTrevor Noah25:18

      Oh, man. It's-

   6. EUEugene25:19

      What I know about stand-up-

   7. TNTrevor Noah25:20

      I will butcher it.

   8. JCJimmy Carr25:22

      Yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah25:22

      I will butcher it.

   10. JCJimmy Carr25:23

       It's a, it's a good routine

   11. TNTrevor Noah25:23

       ... but it's just, like, a beautiful... He just, he just, he just... You should go watch it 'cause it's-

   12. JCJimmy Carr25:27

       You don't want to play it for me?

   13. TNTrevor Noah25:28

       ... it's stand-up, but it's, like, not stand-up, and now maybe stand-up has evolved sort of to it, but at the time it was such a new thing. You remember when it came out?

   14. JCJimmy Carr25:34

       I, I loved, I loved that thing of, like, seeing him. I, th- that was the first big comedy gig that I ever saw was the Cambridge Corn Exchange. I went to see Eddie Izzard, and it was the, uh, the Definite Article. And it was like, it was on VHS, the, his previous show. Uh, I think it was called Unrepeatable, and it was like, it wa- it was like a cult item.

   15. TNTrevor Noah25:50

       It really was.

   16. JCJimmy Carr25:51

       It was like-

   17. TNTrevor Noah25:51

       Yeah

   18. JCJimmy Carr25:51

       ... people passed it round and went, "Do you... You know, do you get this?" And it felt, it felt very rock 'n' roll. There was these other guys-

   19. TNTrevor Noah25:56

       Yeah

   20. JCJimmy Carr25:56

       ... called Vic Reeves and Pop Mortimer-

   21. TNTrevor Noah25:58

       Mm-hmm

   22. JCJimmy Carr25:58

       ... that came around the same time, and it was like punk rock of comedy. Just felt like this wasn't for your parents. This was for you.

   23. TNTrevor Noah26:03

       Yeah.

   24. JCJimmy Carr26:03

       This was your thing, and you got it. And-

   25. TNTrevor Noah26:05

       Yeah, yeah, yeah

   26. JCJimmy Carr26:05

       ... remember seeing him and just thinking it was unbelievable.

   27. TNTrevor Noah26:08

       It w- it was out of this world.

   28. JCJimmy Carr26:09

       Yeah.

   29. TNTrevor Noah26:09

       But basically all he does, he goes, he goes, you, you think about... You, you know, "On the Death Star, the Death Star. You got the Death Star, and then you got all, all these people who work on the Death Star." And he v- he, like, improvs a lot, and he's very, like, he, he's, like, making stuff up, and he plays with it. It's so much fun to watch, especially as a comedian.

   30. EUEugene26:23

       Yeah, yeah.
9. 29:30 – 38:38

   Why Comedy Matters

   1. JCJimmy Carr29:30

      the, the proximate reason for comedy-

   2. TNTrevor Noah29:32

      Yeah

   3. JCJimmy Carr29:32

      ... is to laugh and have fun. Uh, but the ultimate reason is to connect. It's, it-

   4. TNTrevor Noah29:37

      Yes. I, I do think that's why it's becoming more popular, yeah.

   5. JCJimmy Carr29:40

      People desperately want to go out and feel part of something.

   6. TNTrevor Noah29:42

      Yeah.

   7. JCJimmy Carr29:43

      And, like, you laugh so much more when you're at a show, and you connect with someone, and you feel like, okay, well-

   8. TNTrevor Noah29:48

      Mm

   9. JCJimmy Carr29:48

      ... you know, I've started to, like, I talk more on stage now. There's much more kind of, um, interaction with the audience, and it's that thing where I want people to join in. I want it to feel special in this moment.

   10. TNTrevor Noah30:00

       Mm.

   11. JCJimmy Carr30:00

       I feel like-

   12. TNTrevor Noah30:01

       You want it to feel like it's, it, it could only be happening now.

   13. JCJimmy Carr30:04

       Yeah.

   14. TNTrevor Noah30:04

       That's how, that's how I feel.

   15. JCJimmy Carr30:05

       Yeah.

   16. TNTrevor Noah30:05

       And I think that's what makes the comedy special is because we live in a world where everything is regurgitated and passed around, and it's clippy, and it's this, and it's that, the one thing that we do have that's unique-

   17. JCJimmy Carr30:17

       Mm

   18. TNTrevor Noah30:18

       ... is this moment, this river can never be stood in again.

   19. JCJimmy Carr30:22

       Yeah.

   20. TNTrevor Noah30:22

       That's, that's essentially what, what it starts to feel like. So when an audience member comes in and they go, "Jimmy spoke to me," or, "We talked about something that couldn't have come from another show, and we..." Those moments, for me, make you feel like you're experiencing something that is completely-

   21. JCJimmy Carr30:35

       Ah

   22. TNTrevor Noah30:35

       ... original-

   23. JCJimmy Carr30:36

       Yes

   24. TNTrevor Noah30:36

       ... completely new, and most probably will never be experienced again.

   25. JCJimmy Carr30:40

       Right.

   26. EUEugene30:41

       And, and I think what's also helping how Jimmy was saying that, um, you're more conversational now on stage-

   27. JCJimmy Carr30:46

       Yeah

   28. EUEugene30:46

       ... is comedians are finally taking the advice that the audience has been saying to them for the longest time.

   29. TNTrevor Noah30:51

       Which is?

   30. EUEugene30:51

       Remember for long you would have a show, and then someone would come to you and say, "Great show." You'd be like, "Ah, I wasn't feeling my..." Then they're like, "No, I came for you."
10. 38:38 – 51:04

    The Birth of Musical Notation

    1. TNTrevor Noah38:38

       Yes

    2. JCJimmy Carr38:38

       ... you know why you've heard of Gregorian chants?

    3. TNTrevor Noah38:40

       No.

    4. JCJimmy Carr38:40

       It's a good story. It's why I wrote a book.

    5. TNTrevor Noah38:42

       Please tell me.

    6. JCJimmy Carr38:43

       Okay. So Pope Gregory was knocking around, I don't know, the year 1100. And he's in Vatican City, and he's, he's g- he's in the church, and he's wandering around to other churches close by, and everyone's singing the songs differently. And he goes, "This is, this is some bullshit. I want the songs sung the same everywhere. I want the songs how I like the songs." Okay?

    7. TNTrevor Noah39:04

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JCJimmy Carr39:05

       And the guys go, the bishops and the archbishops, they go, "Yeah, but the thing is, uh, Pope Gregory, all due respect, you can't write down music. Uh, music is ethereal. It is, um, it comes through the soul."

    9. TNTrevor Noah39:19

       It's emotional.

    10. JCJimmy Carr39:19

        "People interpret it. It's emotional."

    11. TNTrevor Noah39:21

        Mm.

    12. JCJimmy Carr39:21

        "Music cannot be written." And Pope Gregory goes, "Yeah, that's all very well, but I'm the c- pope. Fucking write it down."

    13. TNTrevor Noah39:29

        [laughs]

    14. JCJimmy Carr39:30

        And music notation, and St. Gregory, by the way-

    15. TNTrevor Noah39:33

        You'd make a great, take something like that. You'd make an amazing Gregory.

    16. JCJimmy Carr39:35

        We need to make this movie.

    17. TNTrevor Noah39:35

        Okay, they're casting.

    18. JCJimmy Carr39:36

        So it takes-

    19. TNTrevor Noah39:37

        This would be a great movie, by the way.

    20. JCJimmy Carr39:38

        You are Gregory.

    21. TNTrevor Noah39:38

        As Gregory. [laughs]

    22. JCJimmy Carr39:39

        I'm, I'm Gregory. Listen, I'm the fucking pope. We're doing this.

    23. TNTrevor Noah39:41

        Yeah, you would. [laughs]

    24. JCJimmy Carr39:41

        So it takes them years, I mean years.

    25. TNTrevor Noah39:43

        To write.

    26. JCJimmy Carr39:43

        And eventually they get to a form of music, musical notation. That's why you've heard of Gregorian chants, because Pope Gregory was the first person to write down music. Now, cut to 400 years later, Bach.

    27. TNTrevor Noah39:57

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JCJimmy Carr39:58

        Now, Bach could not have happened if not for-

    29. TNTrevor Noah40:00

        Had it not been for Gregory

    30. JCJimmy Carr40:02

        ... Pope Gregory.
11. 51:04 – 59:19

    How Jimmy's Comedy Evolved

    1. TNTrevor Noah51:04

       or rather what has changed in, uh, the Jimmy standup person that we meet today versus, like, that Jimmy from years ago? Like, what-

    2. JCJimmy Carr51:12

       Well, I, I'm much more myself on stage now than I was. I mean, I still ... Like, my love language is jokes.

    3. TNTrevor Noah51:17

       Yeah.

    4. JCJimmy Carr51:17

       I like one-liners. I like, I like that, um, that idea of, like, going ... I'm in, I'm in the service industry, right?

    5. TNTrevor Noah51:23

       Okay.

    6. JCJimmy Carr51:24

       I like to think of myself as a drug dealer.

    7. TNTrevor Noah51:26

       Okay.

    8. JCJimmy Carr51:27

       So I'm, I'm dealing in, in two drugs. It's dopamine and serotonin. And the, the people have already got the drugs on them, I can just tickle them out.

    9. TNTrevor Noah51:33

       Mm.

    10. JCJimmy Carr51:34

        I can make them happy.

    11. TNTrevor Noah51:35

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JCJimmy Carr51:35

        It's, it's a-

    13. TNTrevor Noah51:35

        I love it

    14. JCJimmy Carr51:36

        ... variable interval reward system-

    15. TNTrevor Noah51:37

        They're getting-

    16. JCJimmy Carr51:38

        ... jokes, right? So you know a joke's coming, but you don't quite know where.

    17. TNTrevor Noah51:40

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JCJimmy Carr51:41

        And then you do that for, you get on stage, you do that for, I don't know, 20, 25 minutes, whatever it is, like three, four jokes a minute. So you've established like a rhythm with the audience, and then you just kind of step back and you go, "Okay, what should we talk about?"

    19. TNTrevor Noah51:55

        Hmm.

    20. JCJimmy Carr51:55

        And then you let the evening go where it's gonna go, and then you kind of get back and you perform some more. But it's really interesting that, that thing of like, I've created this thing where it's exciting to me 'cause every night is different because you're interacting with the audience in a way. And some people ask you dumb questions, and some people ask you really interesting things. And sometimes you're sincere, sometimes you try and just be as funny as you can.

    21. TNTrevor Noah52:15

        Right, yeah.

    22. JCJimmy Carr52:16

        Be brutal. But y- y- I'm never quite sure where it's going. It's really, it's fun. It feels like it's a, um ... And spending a lot of time in that gym, you just kind of get, you get into it. You get really into ... And you can joke about anything, but not with anyone.

    23. TNTrevor Noah52:31

        Hmm.

    24. JCJimmy Carr52:31

        So you, you joke-

    25. TNTrevor Noah52:31

        You can joke about anything, but not with anyone.

    26. JCJimmy Carr52:33

        But not with anyone.

    27. TNTrevor Noah52:34

        Mm-hmm. Okay.

    28. JCJimmy Carr52:34

        You find your audience. They, they come to you. They g- They, they wanna ... I mean, I sort of, I view sort of jokes as they're transgressions. Uh, they're ... You know that benign violation theory?

    29. TNTrevor Noah52:45

        No. Hmm.

    30. JCJimmy Carr52:46

        Uh, so it's a, it's a guy, Robert, um, [lips smack] McGraw came up with it. So the idea that, uh, there's violations in life, right?
12. 59:19 – 1:15:11

    Growing Up With a Depressed Mother

    1. JCJimmy Carr59:19

       I think I, I'm a comedian because of my mother. I, I, my mother-

    2. TNTrevor Noah59:22

       Yeah

    3. JCJimmy Carr59:22

       ... had a, a narcoleptic, uh, cataplexic laugh. You ever met someone-

    4. TNTrevor Noah59:27

       I'm sorry, what?

    5. JCJimmy Carr59:28

       You ever met someone that laughs, and they make no noise whatsoever?

    6. TNTrevor Noah59:30

       [laughs]

    7. JCJimmy Carr59:30

       They just kind of do this thing.

    8. TNTrevor Noah59:32

       [laughs]

    9. JCJimmy Carr59:32

       Oh, no. So my mother had a laugh where she would lose, like, full-

    10. EUEugene59:37

        Yes, yes.

    11. TNTrevor Noah59:37

        [laughs]

    12. EUEugene59:41

        [laughs]

    13. JCJimmy Carr59:41

        She would properly melt like, like a witch in The Wizard of Oz when she re- if you really got her. So my whole childhood was, like, trying to make this woman laugh. I mean, especially if she was driving, and you would-

    14. TNTrevor Noah59:53

        No, man

    15. JCJimmy Carr59:53

        ... you, you would be, you would be trying to grab the wheel while you were saying some funny shit and, like, steering the car. Like, I should be dead, but it's, it's-

    16. EUEugene1:00:00

        [laughs]

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:00:01

        And she was so funny in her own right.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:00:03

        Accident on the M5.

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:00:04

        Yeah. [laughs]

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:00:04

        A young man has made a joke that has caused his mother to pass out.

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:00:07

        [laughs]

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:00:07

        Please avoid the left lane of the M5. [laughs]

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:00:10

        I think that's the, I think that's the one, like, with comedians, I think if you, like, if you meet a comedian you've never met somewhere in the world, wherever you are, I always think, like, my go-to question, which of your parents were sick?

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:00:22

        Hmm.

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:00:23

        One of your parents was sick, and you had to make things okay. You had to be, uh, uh, adjust the temperature in a room.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:00:30

        Yes.

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:00:30

        You had to make things okay.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:00:31

        You diffuse the situation-

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:00:32

        Yeah, make things-

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:00:32

        ... all the time. Yeah
13. 1:15:11 – 1:26:29

    The Fear of Fatherhood

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:15:11

       "Oh, no, it's, this is, this is a verb. This isn't a noun." Yeah. "This is a doing thing." That's beautiful. "I'm here to do the rough and tumble play." Yeah. Like, I love the, the, the, the, the kind of ha, 'cause you, you want your kids to get, you know, it's, it's, it's bruises, not scars. Yeah. You, you want them to kind of, to have their fun- Yeah ... and the, to be, to be the fun one in the house, and the, it's, it's, it's the most wonderful thing. I went out to lunch with a- Which one? ... with a friend who's maybe the brightest guy I know. He's s- Eric, Eric Weinstein. Do you know him? No. He, very, very clever guy, physicist, and I was talking about how much I love being a father, and he kind of stopped me. He grabbed my arm, and he went, "You will die, and you will be reborn as someone else, and you will love them." And I kind of went, "Oh, I, oh, I sort of get what reincarnation is now." Mm. I kind of get what it is, and there's this lovely crossover period- Mm ... of 30 or 40 years, where you get to be with the next version. Mm, of yourself. It's a beautiful- I would never think of you as somebody who would, like, adopt or accept that type of philosophy 'cause I've always seen you as somebody who, like you, you said at the beginning of this conversation, you're atheist. I wouldn't think of Jimmy as being spiritual. Yeah, but, but it- What changed? Well, I think that thing about going, it's the opposite of faith isn't doubt. Mm. It's certainty, and I'm not certain about anything. You know, I'm p- I'm full of doubts, but the idea that you go to, to, to throw out everything spiritual because you don't have r- a religion seems to be crazy to me. Yeah. So there's two kinds of, you know, peo- some people believe in fairy stories. I don't. And some people, uh, believe all religion is nonsense. I don't think church works because God is happy. I think church works because people come together. Yeah, and decide. And interesting, that is what the Bible says- Mm ... "When three or more are gathered in my name." Three. Yeah. Yeah, and there's actually science behind that, funny enough. So if it's just the two of us, nothing. No, no, no, but there's actually science behind it. If I wasn't here, this would be some bullshit. That's- [laughs] But that's, that's, but that's, like, the interesting thing about, like, is, like, some of- Three. Yeah, but some of these things- The Holy Trinity ... yeah, but some of these things show you science is, like, the science behind it, like group dynamic. When it's one person in a room, two people, once it gets to three people, something happens that you can't even explain. Oh. It just happens when there's a third body. It just happens. Yeah. And, and you know what I think it is sometimes? Mm. I think it's even the passive effect of an audience. So let's say you and I are having a conversation like this. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. There is, like now, when I was talking to Jimmy, you were listening to us. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're with us right here. Yeah. But you were listening. When you two were talking, I was listening, and then y- we said s- you laughed. I laughed when you two were talking. That thing doesn't exist when there's two people in the same way because you can't always be listening in the same way. You can't, two people can make a conversation. Mm-hmm. A third person can then watch that conversation that is being had by the two people. Mm. And we sometimes take that for granted, and that third person can influence the conversation with how they're listening to it and responding to it in a way that you don't appreciate. And so- Two bacteria in a Petri dish and a scientist above ... it's, yeah, yeah. It just becomes like a, "Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Look what's happening." Something, something happens, changes, something changes- Yeah ... something changes. So it's interesting that even, even in the Bible, it basically talks about the power of the group. Oh. And people might just skip over that, but it's like, "When three or more are gathered in my name, I am, I'll be there." No, but haven't we, haven't we- I will be there ... I think we've, I think we've over-solved for the, the individual in our society. Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely. And the, and, and the idea that you go, even identity-wise, people think they're, they are within their own skin. Our identities- Yeah. [laughs] Let's not do that ... are dispersed. Yeah. Right? So, so you are different with me than you are with Eugene than you are with your- Yeah ... mother than you are- Yes ... but also, the, the, the thing that you don't know yet is who you are as a father. You don't know what you're like as a dad

    2. EUEugene1:19:09

       Mm.

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:19:10

       You haven't met that person yet

    4. EUEugene1:19:12

       Yeah, you haven't met that person

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:19:13

       And as much as you will love your kids, you will fucking love yourself as a father.

    6. EUEugene1:19:18

       That is fascinating.

    7. TNTrevor Noah1:19:20

       Yeah.

    8. JCJimmy Carr1:19:20

       It's a whole new way of being. It's a d- and you d- you don't know.

    9. TNTrevor Noah1:19:23

       Yeah.

    10. JCJimmy Carr1:19:23

        You won't know ... You're like, like, uh, your favorite people in the world are the people you feel m- most comfortable with, the people that you-

    11. TNTrevor Noah1:19:30

        Yeah

    12. JCJimmy Carr1:19:30

        ... you can be yourself with, right?

    13. EUEugene1:19:32

        He tells me-

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:19:32

        Yeah

    15. EUEugene1:19:32

        ... he tells me this all the time.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:19:33

        Yeah. And kids will see you as a combination of all the personalities you've tried out.

    17. EUEugene1:19:37

        Yeah. You've, you've told me this all the time.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:19:37

        I've told him this all the time, yeah.

    19. EUEugene1:19:39

        All the time.

    20. JCJimmy Carr1:19:39

        Well, here's the, here's the real responsibility as well. The internal monologue in your head-

    21. TNTrevor Noah1:19:44

        Mm-hmm

    22. JCJimmy Carr1:19:44

        ... that's your parents.

    23. TNTrevor Noah1:19:46

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JCJimmy Carr1:19:47

        The responsibility to know that's who you are to your kids. You will be the internal monologue-

    25. TNTrevor Noah1:19:52

        The internal monologue

    26. JCJimmy Carr1:19:53

        ... that they have for the rest of their lives.

    27. TNTrevor Noah1:19:54

        Mm.

    28. JCJimmy Carr1:19:54

        It's a, it's a, it's a weight to carry.

    29. TNTrevor Noah1:19:56

        And it's an amazing place to be.

    30. JCJimmy Carr1:19:58

        Yeah.
14. 1:26:29 – 1:29:51

    The John Lennon Story

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:26:29

       Warren Farrell, like, talks to the guy, and he goes, "Well, you, you... There's no point having money if you're not gonna do what you want with your life, right? So what do you wanna do?" And he said, "Well, I wanna give up everything and just be a father and just be there for the kid." And Warren Farrell goes, "Okay. Well, that's what you should do. Do that." So he does. Give... He shuts down the business, and he sits with the kid for, like, five, first five years of his life, and he just bakes bread and hangs out in the house, and he's like a, a, a dad. When no one was, like, a full-time dad-

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:27:04

       Yeah

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:27:04

       ... he was a full-time dad. And the story gets interesting when I tell you the guy was John Lennon.

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:27:11

       Wow.

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:27:12

       And no one knew that five years after that-

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:27:17

       He'd die

    7. JCJimmy Carr1:27:18

       ... he'd get shot in the face. He would never have that time again, and he took that time to be with his kid, to hang out. Damn.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:27:38

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JCJimmy Carr1:27:42

       Give yourself that gift.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:27:47

        I think we always assume that the time is promised to us.

    11. JCJimmy Carr1:27:55

        Yeah.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:27:56

        Uh, because our obligations have claimed their time-

    13. JCJimmy Carr1:28:00

        Mm

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:28:00

        ... we always assume that the things we actually want for ourselves will also claim their time. Do you know what I mean?

    15. JCJimmy Carr1:28:07

        Yeah.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:28:07

        Your, your work, your debts, your everything, they've claimed their time well in advance.

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:28:11

        Mm.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:28:11

        They're like, "Oh, here's your payments. This is how it's gonna work."

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:28:14

        Mm-hmm.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:28:15

        You're like, "20 years?" "Yeah, yeah, you'll be paying for this house for 20 years." The bank has, the bank's claimed its time. The... You know what I mean?

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:28:20

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:28:20

        Everything.

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:28:20

        Mm.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:28:21

        And so I think because of that, sometimes as people, we assume because the things that we owe, whether it's time, money, whatever, because they've claimed their time-

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:28:31

        Mm

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:28:31

        ... we then, I think, assume that the things we want-

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:28:34

        Have no time. Got it

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:28:35

        ... will also be able to, will also be able to claim their time. But that's not... What, what you just said to me-

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:28:41

        But it's, it's you. It's also, you know, you're, you're a good boy. You love your mum.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:28:45

        Yeah.
15. 1:29:51 – 1:38:15

    Why Jimmy Carr Always Wears a Suit

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:29:51

       men-

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:29:51

       Yeah

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:29:51

       ... in suits and think, "Hilarious."

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:29:53

       [laughs]

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:29:54

       "Hilarious. Uh, that, I don't know who that was made for, but not you, clearly."

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:29:58

       [laughs] What do you mean? I like-

    7. JCJimmy Carr1:30:00

       I like to come correct. It's also that thing of, like, on stage, I think that thing about wearing a suit and a tie, for me, it feels like a mark of respect for the audience.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:30:07

       Mm.

    9. JCJimmy Carr1:30:07

       Different, different people sort of see themselves in different ways.

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:30:10

        Yeah.

    11. JCJimmy Carr1:30:10

        But also it, it speaks to character and reputation. I, I'm, I'm... Character's what you know about yourself. Reputation's what the rest of the world sees.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:30:18

        Okay.

    13. JCJimmy Carr1:30:19

        And people perceive me in a, in a three-piece suit and a tie. Fine. Great. I'll lean into that.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:30:26

        Okay. It also suits you, though.

    15. JCJimmy Carr1:30:28

        Very much so.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:30:28

        It really-

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:30:29

        Yeah

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:30:29

        ... suits your vibe. Uh, like, I don't know what it is, but it's like, you know when, like, a, it, it, the thing just, like, suits you. E- every comedian has their thing.

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:30:36

        You can't imagine him in anything else.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:30:37

        I ca- I can't.

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:30:38

        Yeah.

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:30:38

        I can't. And I also think there's something about, like, when... I remember the first time I watched you, when you were like, this guy's up there in a suit telling one-liners. You s- It makes you even feel... Like, an assassin in a suit feels even more dangerous.

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:30:52

        Hmm.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:30:53

        You know? So if I see, like, a movie-

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:30:54

        Hmm

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:30:54

        ... and there's an assassin and they're wearing T-shirts, well, I'm like, "All right, you kill people."

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:30:56

        They look like they know what they're doing.

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:30:57

        No, you kill people.

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:30:59

        Yeah.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:30:59

        But an assassin in a suit, I'm like, "Ho, don't mess with this guy."
16. 1:38:15 – 1:58:11

    Fixing Britain

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:38:15

       The new guy, I wish him well, Andy Burnham's come in, and he's, he's capped bus fares at £2. And it's like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. Like, the economy is not going well. The, the, the country's not going well, and no one quite knows what to do.

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:38:33

       Oh.

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:38:33

       And it seems to me like no one has, like, the big ideas-

    4. TNTrevor Noah1:38:36

       Mm

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:38:36

       ... on how to change Great Britain, and they ... It, it seems relatively simple, but people don't wanna do it. Like, they don't wanna grasp the nettle.

    6. TNTrevor Noah1:38:45

       What, what do, what do you think the simple is?

    7. JCJimmy Carr1:38:48

       I always think that, like, there's no silver bullet.

    8. TNTrevor Noah1:38:50

       Yeah.

    9. JCJimmy Carr1:38:51

       There's no ... I'm, I'm a big follower of this guy called, uh, Roger Bootle-

    10. TNTrevor Noah1:38:54

        Okay

    11. JCJimmy Carr1:38:54

        ... who ri- ... He's an economist who writes very good papers about what to do, and he's, he, he did this great paper which was, like, eight examples around the world of, like, different economies that have done different things.

    12. TNTrevor Noah1:39:02

        Yeah.

    13. JCJimmy Carr1:39:03

        I think if you, if you wanna sort out Britain, you can't ... Certain things are, uh, necessary but not sufficient.

    14. TNTrevor Noah1:39:09

        Okay.

    15. JCJimmy Carr1:39:10

        So if it w- if it was me, if I was in charge, I would devalue the currency by 20%.

    16. TNTrevor Noah1:39:16

        Oh.

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:39:17

        And I would do it on purpose, and I would be open about it, and the reason is, it would make your holiday more expensive. But I don't care about the two weeks a year when you go on holiday overseas.

    18. TNTrevor Noah1:39:26

        Mm.

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:39:26

        I care about the other 50 weeks of the year. And if you wanna rebalance the country, you have to increase the manufacturing industry.

    20. TNTrevor Noah1:39:32

        Right.

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:39:33

        And the reason the pound is very high is because of the City of London. But, but London is, like, a really rich city-

    22. TNTrevor Noah1:39:39

        Yeah

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:39:39

        ... and it's surrounded by quite a poor country.

    24. TNTrevor Noah1:39:41

        Mm.

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:39:42

        You want that redistribution. You want people to, to have more. You, you need to make things.

    26. TNTrevor Noah1:39:46

        Yeah, you do need-

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:39:46

        You know?

    28. TNTrevor Noah1:39:46

        ... to make things, yeah.

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:39:47

        And then energy, we have the highest energy prices in the world, I believe. Uh, it's four times higher than it is in America.

    30. TNTrevor Noah1:39:54

        Jeez.
17. 1:58:11 – 2:01:57

    Friction Is Good

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:58:11

       essentially about the idea of assuming that things will come with friction makes ... What, what did he say? He said, "Friction makes easy things difficult and difficult things impossible." Difficult things possible. Mm. Do you know what I mean? Just the friction, it makes an easy thing seem difficult and a difficult thing seem impossible because of the friction that is- Yeah ... attached to it. Right. And when you think of it through that lens, you ... It's funny you say that, 'cause I've literally been on this for a long ... You and I talk about this all the time. In our friend group now, we try and engage with friction purposefully. [laughs] Yeah. Like p- like, like purposefully. Mm-hmm. We drive each other to the airport now. Mm-hmm. Like, we'll ask each other, "Can you drop me off at the airport?" Mm. And w- we know why we're doing it. It's not gonna be fun. Yes. But that drive to the airport- Yeah ... will bring you some of the greatest- We're together ... memories of friendship- Yeah ... that you will ever have. Yeah. Because it wasn't a lunch. There wasn't someone interrupting you, "Are you guys gonna order something else? Are you gonna..." Mm. And, and I, that's what I worry about in society is- Mm ... a lot of how we come together as people is governed by our financial means now. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's, it's becoming more and more that. Do you wanna go on a date? Can you do it without money? No. So then how do you date? Let's go out for a drink. Let's go out for a ... So many of these things have become, you know- Financial ... when I was a kid, I think of, like, the luckiness of it. Yes, but I- We go to the parks and everything, but there's the mall. You know, kids, parents would just drop the kids at the mall, no money. Mm. And all of us would just run around in a mall for 10 hours, and it was just, like, our, our place of, like, being-ness. With each other. Yes, with each other. Yes. With each other. There were kids who had money, kids who didn't- Yeah ... have money. I think about this in, in a slightly different way, but, like- Yeah ... tangentially, I talk about this in the show at the moment about how, uh, men need therapy because women have got each other. Yeah. Women are very good at talking to each other. Men have g- we've got friends, but we don't talk to our friends. We do things with our friends. I feel like we're living the same life. We need an excuse to do something, so we go, "We're gonna go and see the football." Yeah. We have to go and see the football, or we're gonna play pool, or we're gonna go for a drink, or we have to have an activity based. We can't just say, "I wanna have a conversation." And it's actually, there's something about testosterone that makes it very difficult to, uh, look people in the eyes and have a long conversation. Mm. It's much better if you have a friend that's having a crisis to play a game of pool or go on a drive, be doing something, be, have a distraction, have something else that's going on while you're talking to them. Seems to work. Yeah. It's a Springsteen concert- I don't think of it as a distraction ... versus a Taylor Swift concert. That's, that's ... This is why I always love hanging with you. I genuinely feel like- Mm ... we are, like, connected by some invisible force. I'll play the audio- Fiber optic cable ... from the show. [laughs] Literally. Yeah. This is what I'm talking about right now- Right ... to the audiences, is as men, we're living in a world where the things that we take for granted that used to connect us are now becoming harder and harder for us to just attain. You know what I mean? Yeah. So whether it is the local pub and- Yeah ... being able to afford just being there, whether it's because you, you can't afford your electricity, you can't afford, afford a f- like, all of these things. Do you want to bet on ... I, I'm very pro ... I did a bit recently where I said I'm very pro, uh, drinking. I'm pro gangs. No, I haven't seen this. [laughs] And I'm pro, um, gambling. No, I haven't seen this. [laughs] Pro drinking, pro gams, pro gangs. Gangs. Pro gambling. Okay. Yeah. So I'm ... Okay, so I'm pro gangs because m- some gangs deal drugs and shoot people. They're not good. But most gangs, it's groups of men that come together, and where should men be? Together. Yeah. Like, if you go, go to anyone that's having relationship difficulties, I'll tell you what their problem is. All relationships have the same problem. It's one person say, every argument there's ever been between a man and a woman is someone going, "You're not enough

18. 2:01:57 – 2:12:10

    Pro Drinking, Pro Gangs, Pro Gambling

    1. JCJimmy Carr2:01:57

       people." You're not enough people Esther Perel talked about that Like, we want one person. Yeah, Esther Perel is the genius on this, right? No, she literally talks about this all the time. Like, you go Yeah ... you need more than that. You need your friends. Yeah You need your buddies. And m- men are very good at checking other men, right? Mm. I'm pro... I've set up a group of, um, [ts] uh, youth clubs, uh, across Britain. That's amazing. They've got, like, they've got pool tables. Yeah. They've got, um, dart boards. They've got music. They've got drinks. They're called pubs. Mm. And they're the greatest youth clubs there have ever been, right? They're everywhere. We should lower the voting age, uh, the, the drinking age to 16. Because if you don't think 16-year-olds are drinking, you're living in a fucking dream world. [laughs] Right? Yeah. Good luck in your fairy tale land. [laughs] But I'd rather they were drinking in pubs with other people than on their own in the park. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'd go, the, the, I'd say the drinking age should be just wine and beer, no hard stuff. Mm-hmm. You can drink in a pub when you're 16, but you have to bring three friends. Can't go on your own. You gotta have- There's your three ... four people have to be there in order to drink, right? So I'm pro gang, little gang of youth. Little gang, yeah. You're allowed to go to the pub. You're allowed to watch football in the pub. The pub probably has a football team that you can join. Yeah, yeah. Like, other men will check you if you start to be a dick. They'll let you know. You'll get thrown out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very quickly. Yeah, they'll let you know real quick. Right. The bartender will cut you off if you get drunk. Mm-hmm. You'll get each other home. You, you'll be all right. That's like, it ju-... But the, it's the real world as well. Yeah. As opposed to the practical, as opposed to going, "Oh, I guess young people shouldn't drink, so just they'll..." What are you talking about? Yeah. The drinking age is crazy. And then pro gambling is, like, the, the gamble, though, shouldn't be sports betting or casinos. Yeah. It should be the big gamble. The what are you gonna do with your life? Hm. You can do anything you want with your life. You just have to face the consequences. And I think men have, you know, people often talk about how- Sure ... 90% of the CEOs in the world are men, but you have to also consider 90% of the people in prisons are men, and it's the same drug at the center of that. It's testosterone. Same personalities as well sometimes. Men take- Yeah, yeah ... men take insane risks. Yeah. Right? That's what we do. Sometimes crash and fail, sometimes we do very well. But that thing of, like, channeling that into making good bets. LL Cool J said it yesterday, right? Yeah. Said if he wasn't a great prolific musician and an actor- Yeah ... New York could've been a different place. Yeah, he's like, "He would've been in the streets doing s-..." He's like, "That same energy- Mm-hmm ... he would've taken it somewhere else." And he's like, "Good luck, New York. You would've known my name in a very different way." Right. Because it, it is that same- Energy, same ... it's that same energy that's going somewhere. But that, that friction thing you're talking about has become my newest passion because I've realized even in my own life how convenience is a thief that steals things you didn't even know you had. Yeah. It's really, really powerful how it does it. Well, don't... I mean, the AI thing with me, don't outsource any skill you're not comfortable losing. [whistles] 'Cause you're gonna lose it. Hm. You're not gonna be able to do it. You're gonna have to work on it. If you play your instrument- Hm ... you play your instrument, right? And you get good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you have to keep on playing it. Yeah. You have to practice. You have to put the practice in. [laughs] And if you, if you outsource that, you're, it's gone. But that's what I mean. It's the convenience. It's the, it's just the convenience of the, you know, the food arriving, the convenience of the car that picks you up. Yeah. The convenience, the convenience, the convenience, the convenience. Yeah. But what is, uh, you know- And then you go... Like, when I think, the biggest thing I, I like, I get sad about, and it's like, it's, it's a conundrum. I know. It's a, you know. Like in South Africa, I think of, like, townships when we were growing up. Mm-hmm. It is the most inconvenient experience. Your neighbors play music at 6:00 AM- Loudly ... on the weekend loud. Yeah. You're all, you, everyone hears everyone's music. Yeah. Everyone knows everybody's business. Everybody's talking to you. You can't walk anywhere without having a conversation with somebody. So you can't, like, just pop to the shops and come back real quick. There's no such thing. No privacy. Everyone's asking you if they can borrow money from you. Everyone, if you've got a car, then you've now become the de facto transportation person- [laughs] Yeah ... for everyone. "Hey, Eugene, we heard you got a car. Oh, we heard y- Can you help us move this? Oh, can you do this?" And if you have something- Hospital drop-offs, graduations ... and then, and if somebody dies- Yeah ... then you all have to go and cook for, and it's all... The whole thing is just friction, Jimmy. It's just friction- Mm ... friction, friction, friction. But can I tell you what it is? I never once heard a story once in the township ever, and so it's never. Mm. I never heard a story of like, "Do you know someone died and no one knew for like two months?" I- Mm. Those stories that I read in the newspaper now in life- Yeah, don't exist. Yeah ... they literally never existed. Never, never, never, never existed. There was literally no homeless person. Think about it. Yeah. There was literally... This is a place where people had been pushed into the worst types of poverty imaginable, and yet there was not a single person homeless, sleeping on the streets, which doesn't make sense because you're like, "But no one had money." Or saying that family is poor. Right? That wasn't a thing. They just- There was no- They just had less. You're m- And poverty, it's not a real thing in a township. Someone will interfere. Because the friction- Someone will interrupt it. Yes ... the friction that came with it meant, man, a friendship is friction. Yeah. 'Cause now it's like, "Okay, well, what do you wanna watch, Jimmy?" Yeah, what do you want? "I know what I wanna watch." Yeah. "But what do you wanna watch? Ah, damn it. Jimmy wants to watch his own thing." So now I have to, like, we have to negotiate. We have to find the common. Yeah. But you know what that friction gives us in return? It gives us the friendship. A relationship is friction. Hella friction. Terrible friction. Oh, this person wants to do... You wanna do... Uh, we way... Kids are friction. You, you, you gave me, can I tell you? Of course. You gave me the most, you sent me the most beautiful message about that. Literally changed my whole perspective. You said, "Man, you like kids. It is the most insane journey." You said, "I cannot wait to get out of the house and leave." And he's like, "And as soon as I walk out the door- Can they come back ... man, I'm even more excited to come back." Yeah. You're like, "Ah, I cannot wait to get back." It's the friction of it. Mm. Yeah. But we've been sold. Everyone has been sold, and I mean everyone.

    2. TNTrevor Noah2:07:48

       We've been sold on the convenience of relationships, the convenience of opinion, the conveni- Now it's like, oh, d-

    3. JCJimmy Carr2:07:53

       [laughs]

    4. TNTrevor Noah2:07:53

       Yeah, if you're gonna go to your family, don't talk about the ... Just ignore the ...

    5. JCJimmy Carr2:07:57

       Yeah.

    6. TNTrevor Noah2:07:57

       Rather talk about ... It's like, yeah, but that friction-

    7. JCJimmy Carr2:07:59

       You know, you know what-

    8. TNTrevor Noah2:08:00

       ... leaves you. Where does it leave you?

    9. JCJimmy Carr2:08:01

       I was chatting to a guy recently, Alex Hormozi. Do you know Alex?

    10. TNTrevor Noah2:08:03

        No.

    11. JCJimmy Carr2:08:03

        He's a really smart guy.

    12. TNTrevor Noah2:08:04

        You know a lot of people.

    13. JCJimmy Carr2:08:05

        Really smart guy.

    14. TNTrevor Noah2:08:05

        I don't know many.

    15. JCJimmy Carr2:08:06

        So Alex Hormozi is, uh ... He, like, runs gyms and things. He's, I don't ... He, he lives in ... I saw him in Vegas recently.

    16. TNTrevor Noah2:08:11

        Yeah.

    17. JCJimmy Carr2:08:11

        He's a, he's kind of a public intellectual, but he's also, he's, he's a great fun guy to talk to. So we're chatting about friction, and then he started chatting about optionality. Like, we've over-solved for options, right?

    18. TNTrevor Noah2:08:23

        Yes.

    19. JCJimmy Carr2:08:23

        You've got a lot of options right now.

    20. TNTrevor Noah2:08:25

        Yeah.

    21. JCJimmy Carr2:08:25

        Right? But actually, constraints are freeing 'cause your problem is you've got too many options. Young people, they got too many options. You could be with anyone. You could do anything. It's, it's a lot. But once you've decided who to be with and what to do, you can stop thinking about how to live and get on with living.

    22. TNTrevor Noah2:08:43

        Get on with it.

    23. JCJimmy Carr2:08:44

        Hmm.

    24. TNTrevor Noah2:08:44

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JCJimmy Carr2:08:46

        It's like limiting, limiting what you, what you have options-wise 'cause if you never cash in the option, it's nothing.

    26. TNTrevor Noah2:08:54

        Yeah. It means nothing.

    27. JCJimmy Carr2:08:55

        Options are there to be cashed in.

    28. TNTrevor Noah2:08:56

        Hmm. Oh, I like that. Options are there to be ca- I've never-

    29. JCJimmy Carr2:09:00

        Hmm.

    30. TNTrevor Noah2:09:00

        Options are there to be cashed in. Yeah, the freedom that comes with that-

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