Katie Couric: Why Facts Aren’t Enough

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   Intro

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      [upbeat music]

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   Katie Couric on Modern Journalism & Information Overload

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      Who

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   The “Golden Age” of News & Walter Cronkite

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      is doing the news i-

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   South African vs American News Media

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      in South Africa? It-

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      So, so in South Africa, there's the South African Broadcasting Corporation,

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   How US Media Creates Different Realities

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      which is similar

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   Trump, Tucker Carlson & the “Cult of Personality”

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      to the BBC, right? In that it's state-funded and-

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      Modeled after the BBC,

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   Politics as Sports Teams & Tribal Identity

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      yeah

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      ... yeah, it's modeled off the BBC-

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      Mm-hmm

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      ... and then it's state-funded. People pay a, a

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   Katie Couric on Being a Citizen Journalist

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      fee, you know, for having a TV. It's like a nominal

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   Corporate Media, FCC Pressure & Journalism Today

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      fee, and that basically goes to funding it, um, and, and their reporting.

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    Democracy, Elections & Accountability

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       Then we have a few independent stations as well, but none of them have a

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    Trevor & Eugene’s Radical Voting Ideas

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       clear i-

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       Ideological bent?

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       No, no, no. That, that would

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    Could Technology Transform Democracy?

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       be... I think most people agree, that would be crazy. Like, we wouldn't-

    2. EUEugene0:37

       Slowly getting there, no?

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       We wouldn't... We just-

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       Like,

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    Citizen Journalism & The Future of Media

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       there's not the pro-apartheid network?

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    AI, Digital Voting & Public Decision-Making

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       [laughs]

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    Bureaucracy, Elon Musk & Government Efficiency

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       [laughs]

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       Oh, my goodness, Katie. Can you imagine?

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    Mandatory Voting Debate

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       [laughs]

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       The pro-apartheid network.

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       [laughs]

    4. TNTrevor Noah0:49

       Oh, my goodness.

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    Should Parents Have More Voting Power?

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       What a great idea.

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       The PAN?

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       [laughs]

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    Expertise in Government & Bureaucrat “Running Mates”

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       [laughs]

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       Hi, we're... Welcome to PAN.

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    Fear Inside Government Administrations

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       [laughs]

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    How Pentagon Reporting & Journalism Sources Work

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       Oh, wow.

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       You are my replacement.

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       Oh, wow.

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       [laughs]

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       What a

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    Press Restrictions Inside the Pentagon

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       fantastic premise.

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    Whistleblowers, Journalism & Misinformation

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       [upbeat music]

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    National Security vs Freedom of the Press

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       This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. [upbeat music]

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    COVID Vaccines, Science & Public Trust

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       Oh, this is gonna be fun.

    2. EUEugene1:23

       So yesterday,

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    Tribalism, Political Labels & Media Framing

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       yesterday we wore, both

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    The NYT Political Quiz & Issue-Based Voting

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       wore cardigans.

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       Yeah.

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       What a fashion disaster.

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    Political Identity vs Human Connection

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       It was terrible.

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       Was it?

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       Well, it wasn't a disaster.

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       Yeah.

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       It was more-

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       No

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       ... it looked too coordinated

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       ... 100% a disaster.

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    Engagement Through Outrage in Modern Media

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       Oh, very Mr. Rogers. [laughs]

    2. TNTrevor Noah1:36

       Yes, yes. Double Mr. Rogers.

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    Katie Couric’s Mission & The Role of Journalism

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       Yeah. [laughs]

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       That's what it looked like.

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       No. So I was like, "No, it will never happen again." So today I had a backup

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    Truth, Democracy & Intellectual Laziness

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       plan. I was like, "If he's wearing brown, I'm covered."

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       Oh, you're gonna switch it out. Okay.

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    Why Journalism Still Matters

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       I really like that jacket.

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       I don't know why you-

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       Well, you both do kind of have a similar thing going.

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       I'm,

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    Legacy Media, Social Platforms & Media Literacy

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       he's trying to avoid me-

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       With kind of the over jacket and things

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       ... and I'm trying to, I'm trying to fully, fully line up with him.

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    The Power of Saying “I Don’t Know”

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       [laughs]

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       Is that right?

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       Yes.

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       I'm trying to make sure that our, our friendship is fully aligned.

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       [laughs]

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       That's what I'm looking for. I don't want him to be able to escape me. [laughs]

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       [laughs]

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       [laughs]

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       I want people to be like, "Are you guys twins?"

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        [laughs]

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        That's how closely aligned I want our dress sense to be.

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        How often do you record your podcast?

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        Uh-

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        When- whenever.

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        Whenever?

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        Yeah.

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        Yeah.

    18. TNTrevor Noah2:16

        Whenever is whenever, so you know, we'll fly in from South Africa, and then we'll do a bunch of episodes. And we'll come in, or... But then sometimes we're doing them, you know, like one spaced out, and then it's-

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        Yeah

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        ... but it's whenever.

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        You don't feel that you need to have a specific cadence for-

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        No

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        ... like to-

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        No

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        ... when people expect it?

    26. TNTrevor Noah2:31

        No, not necessarily.

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        No?

    28. TNTrevor Noah2:33

        No. What's, what's your cadence now in life? What are you-

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        Well, we do sort of a, a tranche of them, if you will. You know, uh, we have-

    30. TNTrevor Noah2:40

        Tranche. I like that word.

Episode duration: 2:01:51