EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,056 words- 0:00 – 0:32
Trevor Apologizes for South Africa’s Twitter Habits
- TNTrevor Noah
[upbeat music] I will apologize on behalf of South Africans then to you as a fellow African-
- JOJoe Opio
Apologize accepted, yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... yeah, as a fellow African. We didn't mean to leave you in the dust. We're not trying to do this intentionally. However, your beef is misplaced because when we listened to Sean Paul-
- JOJoe Opio
Okay
- TNTrevor Noah
... and other, like-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... reggae, ragga artists-
- JOJoe Opio
Dancehall, yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... and some of the dancehall and all of those vibes, those guys would switch things up in the middle of a sentence. We w- what did we say?
- JOJoe Opio
I'll say this.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, no, no, no.
- JOJoe Opio
I'll
- 0:32 – 1:45
Joe Opio: “You’re Listening to Reggae Wrong”
- JOJoe Opio
say this to counter.
- TNTrevor Noah
Just give me the light.
- JOJoe Opio
I- I'll say this-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... if you listen-
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
... if you, if you listen to reggae-
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
Listen. If you listen to reggae right now-
- TNTrevor Noah
Let me tell you something now
- JOJoe Opio
... for the lyrics-
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
... you're listening, you're listening to it wrong.
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
That's what I'm saying.
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
Eugene, that's what I'm saying.
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing] Like, where, where did the sentence start?
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, no. But-
- TNTrevor Noah
You brought me in with one thing
- JOJoe Opio
... no one listens-
- TNTrevor Noah
Just give me the light.
- JOJoe Opio
But no one listens to-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... no, but no one listens to reggae for the rh-
- TNTrevor Noah
Just give me the light. Okay, give me the light. [singing]
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- JOJoe Opio
You listen for the-
- TNTrevor Noah
[singing]
- 1:45 – 3:21
Meet Joe Opio: Ugandan Comedy Legend
- TNTrevor Noah
of nowhere, okay? Which is a wonderful blessing, but you came out of nowhere because it was another friend's birthday.
- JOJoe Opio
With a plastic bag.
- TNTrevor Noah
W- you came with a plastic bag full of-
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... [laughs] 0% alcohol.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
It's hard to get 0% Guinness.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes. So you came with 0% alcohol.
- JOJoe Opio
Which is like the ultimate-
- TNTrevor Noah
It was hard to carry it. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Which is like the ultimate-
- JOJoe Opio
It was like a r- a reverse birthday gift, yes. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... which is the ultimate, it's the ultimate, like, paradox.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
It's like someone who's like, "I came for the party, but I don't like parties."
- JOJoe Opio
Yes, yes, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay. So that's when you came. Now, because we all roll together, we are in this thing. So now I'll answer your question. So it's not an interview. W- I just wanted to hang out with Joe, right? And I was-
- JOJoe Opio
Why are there cameras and-
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
Or why... 'Cause you could have just... You assume he's one of your favorite people.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
So I assume that up until this point you've hung out.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
Cool. Now you decided to hang out. Are you going to hang... Like, can we-
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay, so now let me ask you this
- JOJoe Opio
... can we play table tennis now?
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay, so-
- 3:21 – 4:25
Trevor’s Sex Tape Analogy for Recording Hangouts
- TNTrevor Noah
moments where you go, like, "This is why Joseph Opio is one of my favorite people."
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
We were talking about food and the swag you have in a restaurant when you no longer have... Like, if the, the menu, all the prices are something you can easily afford.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
There's, like, a-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... there's nothing.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
So I was saying, remember the first time you didn't have to calculate.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
'Cause remember there was a moment where you'd order-
- JOJoe Opio
Mm, mm, mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... and you'd be like... They'd be like, "What would you like?" And then you knew what you liked, but what you were actually trying to think of was, "How do I, how do I add 35 to 47?"
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] The first time you didn't have to calculate, that was a canon event.
- TNTrevor Noah
Exactly.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Exactly.
- JOJoe Opio
It's also same as the first time you filled up the tank without-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes, yes, exactly.
- JOJoe Opio
It's, it's in the-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes, yes, yes. It's in that same... Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Where you just go, "Fill it up."
- JOJoe Opio
Just fill it up.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
First click, let him go.
- TNTrevor Noah
So now we were talking about this-
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- 4:25 – 5:02
First Time Not Calculating Menu Prices
- TNTrevor Noah
no. Joe, Joe.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes, it's an iconic scene.
- TNTrevor Noah
Joe.
- JOJoe Opio
It's the ultimate scene.
- TNTrevor Noah
Swordfish?
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. If you're thinking of making a decision under so much pressure.
- TNTrevor Noah
My friend.
- JOJoe Opio
He had a gun to his head.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm-hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
He had to hack into the system, and then he had a woman giving him head.
- TNTrevor Noah
Huh?
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's why-
- JOJoe Opio
No.
- TNTrevor Noah
Guys.
- JOJoe Opio
That's why it's an iconic scene.
- TNTrevor Noah
You left that part out.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
All along we were talking about guns.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
People forget.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Guns are common.
- JOJoe Opio
That's the-
- TNTrevor Noah
More than guns.
- JOJoe Opio
No, that's... He didn't let me, like, set up the thing.
- TNTrevor Noah
Now I know.
- JOJoe Opio
I told him iconic scene.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's not what I'm saying.
- 5:02 – 6:09
Joe’s Pressure Scene: Swordfish (That One)
- JOJoe Opio
He had to hack-
- TNTrevor Noah
Hugh Jackman was getting a blowjob.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. And he had like-
- TNTrevor Noah
That's iconic
- JOJoe Opio
... he had, he had, like, a minute to hack into the system.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes. You-
- JOJoe Opio
The pressure he was under.
- TNTrevor Noah
You're not... Okay. You're not-
- JOJoe Opio
I was saying, "Yes"
- TNTrevor Noah
... you're not understanding what I'm saying.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm not saying that your choice of scene is incorrect.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm saying I have never in my life heard somebody go to Swordfish for... I've heard people say Mission Impossible.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Pressure, action.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
I've heard people say The Matrix, action. I've heard people go Titanic. I've heard people go-
- JOJoe Opio
Who, who in Titanic was m-
- TNTrevor Noah
There's-
- JOJoe Opio
... under the most pressure?
- TNTrevor Noah
You need... No, no, no.
- JOJoe Opio
You need who?
- TNTrevor Noah
What I'm saying is, like, there are movies-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... that are generally-
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. Go-to movies. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... thought of as the go-to-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... for, like, an example-
- 6:09 – 8:00
The Great Swordfish Movie Debate
- TNTrevor Noah
gonna say, "To swordfish somebody is to just bring up the most random-
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
That's random
- TNTrevor Noah
... instance. Yo, nobody knows Swordfish.
- JOJoe Opio
Oh, come on.
- TNTrevor Noah
Do you know Swordfish? Do you remember Swordfish?
- JOJoe Opio
Everyone knows this movie.
- SPSpeaker
I-
- TNTrevor Noah
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, let's ask the man off camera.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes, of culture.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
I, I... You, you could use Swordfish, y- you could use was Hugh Jackman in Swordfish as a trivia question, and people would be, "For the 500,000 in Who Wants To Be a Millionaire," and we'd be like, "That's a good question."
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Nobody knows Swordfish.
- TNTrevor Noah
No one knows that.
- JOJoe Opio
Nah, because people are not cultured.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah. Well, are they d-
- JOJoe Opio
I'm a, I'm a man of culture. I'm a, I'm, I'm a gentleman and a scholar, and I watch both prestige movies and, you know... I don't s-
- TNTrevor Noah
I believe you. I believe you.
- JOJoe Opio
The thing, the thing is, it's the scene that comes to mind. There's no other scene. Tell me of a- any other scene. Actually, it's also, it's also-
- TNTrevor Noah
A precious scene
- JOJoe Opio
... it's also the only scene that's memorable from the movie.
- TNTrevor Noah
Where Hugh Jackman gets a blowjob ever in his career.
- JOJoe Opio
While, while-
- TNTrevor Noah
While hacking
- JOJoe Opio
... it's the context, and having a gun to his head.
- TNTrevor Noah
And he's got 60 seconds.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. He is-
- SPSpeaker
You're the worst.
- JOJoe Opio
No. Wait, once I gave it context, though-
- 8:00 – 9:00
Joe’s Wild Taste in Movies & Books
- TNTrevor Noah
taste, and-
- SPSpeaker
Is this question to Joe or to me?
- TNTrevor Noah
No, to Joe.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
You don't have broad taste at all.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] Yeah. The- yours is very niche.
- TNTrevor Noah
You don't have broad taste at all.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. Mm-mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
This guy. You d- you-
- JOJoe Opio
That, that Joe... That is so niche, sometimes it comes off as pretentious.
- TNTrevor Noah
This is... Can I tell you?
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
This is gonna be the weirdest podcast, 'cause people are gonna go like, "What, what is that other person?"
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
And then I don't even know how we explain it.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
So if you're watching or listening to this, you're going, "What is happening?"
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
I'll tell you what's happening. There's a Ugandan here.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Then there's another Ugandan who's also a South African, and, but he's not with us here.
- JOJoe Opio
Now you make it seem like he's chain migrating.
- SPSpeaker
Why are you making- [laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
I ca- I came for this podcast-
- TNTrevor Noah
For real
- JOJoe Opio
... and I brought a Ugandan context
- TNTrevor Noah
... and you got some plants. Like we are-
- SPSpeaker
Yes, that's what it feels like. That's what it feels like.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- 9:00 – 11:23
Ugandan Accents & Trevor’s Savage Impressions
- JOJoe Opio
Then Kaluuya, and then it's a case.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] So-
- SPSpeaker
Hm
- TNTrevor Noah
... so the reason is... I'll tell you why it's not a question to you.
- JOJoe Opio
Oh.
- TNTrevor Noah
Is because you are not, you are not broad at all.
- SPSpeaker
No, only because I have the answer.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
For him?
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, wait. First I wanna hear his answer.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Then I wanna see what you...
- SPSpeaker
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay, so-
- SPSpeaker
Give your answer.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay, so for me-
- SPSpeaker
Then I'll tell my answer
- JOJoe Opio
... I don't think I made a delib- I, I don't want to be put in a box, if that makes sense. So I-
- TNTrevor Noah
So you, you'll purposely watch a terrible movie-
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, I don't... That's what I'm saying. I don't think I made a deliberate choice.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay, got it.
- JOJoe Opio
'Cause I think, like, art in its very nature, or, like, things can be appreciated regardless of the, can we say standard or quality. Like, so Swordfish, not the greatest movie in the world-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... but it had its moments. It's complex, almost. Art is c- it's almost like people.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
If that makes sense.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
People can be appreciated because they have different, they bring, like, different nuances to everything. So a bad movie can have a great scene.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- 11:23 – 18:31
Food Falling From the Sky in Uganda
- JOJoe Opio
And I'm like, "No, you have an accent." 'Cause-
- TNTrevor Noah
You're not wrong
- JOJoe Opio
... yes, 'cause in my mind, when I speak, I sound like, I sound, I sound like Hugh Grant right now. When I'm, when I'm talking right now-
- TNTrevor Noah
In fact, you're like, you should go to-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... Uganda and hear those-
- SPSpeaker
No, but what's crazy is, like-
- JOJoe Opio
When I'm talking right now-
- SPSpeaker
... he's like, "I sound like Hugh Grant."
- JOJoe Opio
I sound like, yes, I sound like an English aristocrat.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, and can I tell you something? If... I- I've seen your... So, so I've seen your writing, and we'll go through this in stages. So I'll, I'll actually, we'll, we'll get back to this story. But in writing, because this man sitting here has a vocabulary that surpasses any human being I've met in my life. Like, personally, pers- that I know.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
I, I don't know everyone in the world. This guy here, if I'm looking for a word, searching for a sentence, trying to fix grammar or structure, this person here knows more about the English language than anyone I've ever met, right?
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
So I get what you're saying. When you right now, what you- What we heard was you, and then what you heard on the mic was you going, "I, I don't understand why anybody thinks-
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... I have an accent."
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
So in fact, in fact-
- JOJoe Opio
Uh, no
- TNTrevor Noah
... when you, when you think about Swordfish-
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
When you think about Swordfish-
- JOJoe Opio
In my mind
- TNTrevor Noah
... in my mind-
- JOJoe Opio
Let me tell you. The funny thing is-
- TNTrevor Noah
Let me tell you. The funny thing is-
- JOJoe Opio
The funny thing is, when I had Trevor-
- TNTrevor Noah
The funny thing is-
- JOJoe Opio
When I... Because Trevor does impressions.
- 18:31 – 21:21
Mistaken for Child Soldier at Idris Elba Premiere
- JOJoe Opio
Nation.
- TNTrevor Noah
Beasts of No Nation.
- JOJoe Opio
I can never forget. Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
So if I remember correctly-
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... the movie was on Netflix, wasn't it?
- JOJoe Opio
Ended up on Netflix.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- JOJoe Opio
But they, they had a screening.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay. Okay, yeah. So-
- JOJoe Opio
'Cause if you're a member of the Writers Guild, you're invited to screenings.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
So that you can vote for the Oscars, you know.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
And so I turn up to watch the movie. Brilliant movie. Loved it. Then we go... 'Cause at the screening, then they have, like, a party afterwards.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah. And, and then every-
- JOJoe Opio
Like a reception.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah. And the movie, for those who don't remember-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... was Beasts of No Nation was a movie about Idris Elba being like a war-
- JOJoe Opio
A warlord. Yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
... like a warlord, and he had a bunch of child soldiers.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
And that was, like, the s-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... that's basically the, the story.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- JOJoe Opio
So then we go to the reception, and then I notice there's this couple that keeps looking at me.
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- 21:21 – 25:55
Baby’s Day Out Bigger Than Star Wars
- JOJoe Opio
about... " And I go like, "'Cause when I was in Uganda, when I watched the news, when they go, like, foreign news, it's America, it's Britain, it's South Africa. When I'm reading a newspaper, when they go like, oh, international news, it's South Africa, it's Britain, it's... " But when you're in America, 'cause Americans are always going like, "Oh, we feel ignorant. We don't know as much about Uganda." Then I go like, "It makes sense. When you're watching news, when they go foreign news, it's not always Uganda. Maybe every once in a while, but it's France, it's other countries."
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
'Cause you guys are a big culture. So remember in What Work, and I was talking about how when we were growing up we watched The Daily Show, and I told them us growing up, the most iconic movie in Uganda was Baby's Day Out.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
Baby's Day Out was bigger than Star Wars.
- SPSpeaker
Wait, what is Baby's Day Out?
- JOJoe Opio
It's... [laughs] How do I explain it?
- SPSpeaker
Sorry, I wasn't in Uganda.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. So-
- SPSpeaker
What happens?
- JOJoe Opio
Well, it's this movie about a baby. It's, it's almost-
- SPSpeaker
Ah.
- JOJoe Opio
So, yes. [laughs]
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
It's almost like, it's almost like a rip off of Home Alone.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
But it's, like, a toddler, like, crawling, and then these people are trying to kidnap him, and then he... And it was a huge movie in Uganda because the comedy stemmed from the physicality of it.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Oh.
- JOJoe Opio
You didn't have to know English.
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
You didn't have to... So I told people at The Daily Show this movie was bigger than Star Wars, and they couldn't believe it. And then we went on Wikipedia, and it turns out even in India, that movie spent more time in cinemas-
- TNTrevor Noah
Baby's Day Out
- JOJoe Opio
... spent more weeks in cinemas than Star Wars. And Americans, their minds were blown. They were like, "We didn't even... This was a B..." Like, you know, movies that go straight to video.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Straight to, straight to VHS.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. And I, and I, and I, I told them, "That kid is an icon in Uganda. I would rather have his autograph than Harrison Ford or-"
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Or Gene Hackman.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. So it's that. Like, you are s- you are forced to consume Star Wars, but then also you are forced to consume... So Americans understand Jackie Chan, 'cause Jackie Chan is big in America, but he was huge in Africa.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- 25:55 – 30:05
South African Twitter Vernac Beef
- TNTrevor Noah
It's Peter Dinklage.
- JOJoe Opio
Look at you being cultured, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Trying.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Trying.
- JOJoe Opio
Not Swordfish, but okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes. So I was... So we're trying. So we go and watch Shakes- Every sentence started in the kind of English that I know.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
And then it ended in, like, some Shakespearean stuff-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... that didn't make any sense. You know what I mean?
- JOJoe Opio
Okay. Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
I didn't see one person saying, "Why do they do that? Why did Shakespeare do that?"
- JOJoe Opio
Because it was still English.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, but he made up words. There's random words that weren't English-
- JOJoe Opio
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... that he made
- JOJoe Opio
... he was, he was a wordsmith. That's what-
- TNTrevor Noah
Cockle popcorn.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. No, that's what, that's what a wordsmith does. But I'm saying-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, so-
- JOJoe Opio
... you guys begin in one. You know-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes
- JOJoe Opio
... you know, it's almost like-
- TNTrevor Noah
So let me explain why.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Let me explain why. So since you wanted to take it there. There's a thing called apartheid, Joe.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay?
- JOJoe Opio
Seems I missed out. Okay. [laughs]
- 30:05 – 33:05
Trevor Defends Code-Switching with Sean Paul
- TNTrevor Noah
seem like I did not miss yet
- JOJoe Opio
... listen, if you listen to reggae, ragga-
- TNTrevor Noah
Let me tell you something now
- JOJoe Opio
... for the lyrics-
- TNTrevor Noah
Give me the popping now, like, well, give me the pop in now, like, well
- JOJoe Opio
... you're listening, you're listening to it wrong
- TNTrevor Noah
... give me the, give me the block.
- JOJoe Opio
That's what I'm saying.
- TNTrevor Noah
See when I be, block when they come, now give me up.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] Eugene, that's what I'm saying.
- TNTrevor Noah
And now they stop, now give love.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Like, where did, where did the sentence start?
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, no.
- TNTrevor Noah
But you brought me in with one thing.
- JOJoe Opio
But no one listens-
- TNTrevor Noah
Just give me the light
- JOJoe Opio
... but no one listens to-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... no, but no one listens to reggae for the rhythm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Just give me the light. Okay, give me the light. Just give me the... Then they... Then they blop, then they fresh me and lop
- JOJoe Opio
You listen for the-
- TNTrevor Noah
No, blep, blep
- JOJoe Opio
... you listen for the beats
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes, blep, blep
- JOJoe Opio
No one listens to-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... come on. Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
So, so that-
- JOJoe Opio
Hmm
- 33:05 – 45:02
How Trevor & Joe Met at Comedy Cellar
- SPSpeaker
just-
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
... so in that vein, just to establish us so that we know, oh, okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- SPSpeaker
This is... 'Cause if, let's say Joe was your brother, then you could go, "This is my brother. A few antidotes for... an- anecdotes from me-"
- TNTrevor Noah
Also antidotes.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Oh, yes. That. You know, you know what I'm saying? This is my-
- JOJoe Opio
The f- no, the funny thing is-
- SPSpeaker
This is my-
- JOJoe Opio
... I feel we're gonna have very conflicting-
- SPSpeaker
Okay. So here the way it is, you just brought some cab driver from New York.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
Put him at the table, and are interviewing him. So that's the feeling we're getting. Lost in space.
- JOJoe Opio
You know what, you know what it sounds like?
- TNTrevor Noah
Cab driver.
- JOJoe Opio
It sounds like Tre- it sounds like Dave is going, like, you need to esta- so that he... It feels like he thinks Ice might read this, and you need to establish the relationship. Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, no, no.
- JOJoe Opio
He-
- TNTrevor Noah
I'll tell you what's happened. I'll tell you what happened. Dave h- has lived in New York for too long. And in New York, and in America-
- JOJoe Opio
Oh
- TNTrevor Noah
... the number one phrase people love asking is, "So how do you guys know each other?"
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
So, like-
- JOJoe Opio
Hmm
- TNTrevor Noah
... how do you guys know each other?
- JOJoe Opio
Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Like, where did you guys meet? So, like, how did you guys, how do you guys know each other?
- JOJoe Opio
How do you know the birthday boy?
- 45:02 – 55:50
Joe Gives Notes to Louis C.K.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah, are you the one who gave Louis C.K...?" Then I go like, "Yeah, I told him how to change." Then he go like, "Oh, people have been texting me like, 'Yo, Trevor, there's an African African comedian. Forget you. This one sounds like an African African.'" [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
So then we... [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
He goes like, "This one sounds like, yes, like he just jumped out of, like, you know, Coming to America or those movies." So then we go up, and then we start, like, talking.
- TNTrevor Noah
Are you still holding the jacket?
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, I've given it back to him.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah, no, I'm not that kind of guy.
- TNTrevor Noah
'Cause Este made that mistake. [laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] So then we go up, and this was around, like, 8:00, 8:30, and then we just start talking. And we talk, like, I think up to, like, 5:00.
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
Just talking about soccer, life, comedy, and then you went like, "Oh, this was fun. We should do it again." Again, critical mistake, 'cause I'm there every night. Comes back the next night. We hang out, and that's when you told me about Dave. You went like, "Oh, no, I contacted Dave. Oh, and Dave thinks you're a cool guy, a good guy. You know, we're all good people. Oh, we should hang out." And I feel like that's when we started to hang out, and then that's when we had the incident with Neil Brennan.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, but pause there. So I'll, I'll tell you how this unfolded for me.
- JOJoe Opio
Hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay. So I was born a wee lad-
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... in South Africa.
- JOJoe Opio
In a haggis port land, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
On a rainy, rainy Monday.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Ah, they say that my mother turned to me as I came out of her womb.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
No. [upbeat music] This is, from my side of the story, this is what happened.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
I, we used to go to the Comedy Cellar all the time. I'm doing my thing. All of a sudden, I start getting texts from random people. "Yo, is this guy your friend? Yo, who's this guy?" Basically, every text, it's basically, "Come get your mans."
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- 55:50 – 1:05:26
The Baby-Throwing Park Panic
- JOJoe Opio
Africa that-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, but even, even baby dynamics.
- JOJoe Opio
No, no. I, I... 'Cause I know one thing about babies. I've had, like, I have a niece, a... So kids j-
- TNTrevor Noah
Kids love to play
- JOJoe Opio
... so the thing, the thing I love with n- with kids-
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm
- JOJoe Opio
... is what you see is what you get. They're not like adults.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
You have fun with them. They give... So w- I had, I had-
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm, I'm actually thinking about the babies
- JOJoe Opio
... listen, I had another experience like that. So I was at a-
- TNTrevor Noah
You've done it again?
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, no. I was at a park.
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh my goodness.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] 'Cause it's, it's instinctive. Listen, I was at a park with-
- TNTrevor Noah
Kesh Patel
- JOJoe Opio
... listen, I was-
- TNTrevor Noah
We don't know this guy.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] At FBI.
- TNTrevor Noah
What the...
- JOJoe Opio
At Steven Miller.
- TNTrevor Noah
What are you... Oh.
- JOJoe Opio
At-
- TNTrevor Noah
Two failed attempted human trafficking.
- JOJoe Opio
At, at White House.
- TNTrevor Noah
Come. No.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs] I'm out.
- TNTrevor Noah
My visa is still two years.
- JOJoe Opio
I don't want to be, I don't want to be... [laughs] No, here's the thing. So we were at the park. I was with a friend who has kids, you know, cut, right? You know, cut, r- r- right. And we, we... So this kid, you know, who's on-
- TNTrevor Noah
Who's we?
- 1:05:26 – 1:08:14
Why Joe Is Never Upset
- JOJoe Opio
walk in at 4:00. This game was supposed to start at 2:00, and Trevor and Dave walk in full of apologies. And then I go like, "Why are you guys apologizing?" Like, 'cause other people would be upset, and Trevor tells me, "Oh, people will be upset because we made a plan. You're supposed to watch." Then I'm like, why though? Like, why would they be upset? Like, you and Dave wanted to watch the game. We planned to watch the game, but you didn't show up in time, on time. That means something more urgent came up or you were held up. You are not hiding somewhere around the corner going like, "Ooh, let's make Joe wait." Something else came up. And then Trevor goes like, "Ah, but I don't... But, you know, other people will be upset. You know, maybe disrespecting."
- TNTrevor Noah
This was your good Trevor, yeah?
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's him.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes. Maybe-
- TNTrevor Noah
That's-
- JOJoe Opio
Maybe disrespect... Then, then-
- TNTrevor Noah
Joe, yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... then again, then I told him, "No. Why would, why would they be-"
- TNTrevor Noah
Do that, do that apology. Sorry. Sorry.
- JOJoe Opio
So Trevor is going like, "Oh, other people feel, feel res- disrespected, their time." Then I go like, "No, but it wasn't my time. It was your time. You basically-"
- TNTrevor Noah
You were the one who was not here.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah, no, no, you, you lent me your time. It wasn't... I, I, I'm not entitled to your time. You told me, "Let's meet at 2:00."
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
But it wasn't my time. It was your time. You just lent it to me.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
But I was entitled to it. So then I go like, "I can't be upset. Let's... The game, the game, you recorded it." You remember? You went like, "Oh, I-"
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
So then we watched the game. And then I was... 'Cause for me, I don't understand why, like... So so- something small like that. Let's say I arrange a date with a girl and I t- I don't turn up on time. She shouldn't be upset. She should go like, "Oh, Joe wanted to have this date. Joe wanted to have this dinner with me, but for some reason he didn't. Something must have come up." Instead of putting yourself first, going like, "Me, me, me, I d- I got disrespected. Me, me, me, this and that," go like, "Oh, why did the other person not... " Because think about it this way. If you plan a dinner date or to watch a game, and then you don't turn up on time, and then I find out you were in an accident, I don't get upset Does that make sense?
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
'Cause I stopped putting myself first.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
I stopped going like, "Oh, me, me." I started going, "Oh, my God. Are you okay?"
- SPSpeaker
Mm. Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
"Where are you?" Yeah, so for me, that's how I, that's how I look at most things. I don't sweat the small things. I remember when I told you about the relationship I have with my family, right, with my sisters and... 'Cause my s- my family, my siblings have access to all my money, to my bank accounts. Remember?
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
I told you this, and then you went like, "What? What if they stole the money?" Now, I'm lucky that my family, we're very close-knit, but also you went like, "But what if?" Then I went like, I wouldn't sweat it. I genuinely wouldn't, 'cause I would go like, oh, they know they can ask me for the money. They know they have access to the money. So if they stole it, that means they were so desperate. Something must have come up, right? And I would rather they steal my money than go steal a stranger's money. 'Cause if they steal a stranger's money, now it's courts, now it's prison, now it's this. Now my mom is stressed, my dad is stressed. Now there's too much stress.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
But if they
- 1:08:14 – 1:17:14
Joe’s “Hashtag Winning” Philosophy
- JOJoe Opio
steal my money, then I'll go like, oh, that means they needed it more than I needed it. I've a- I've had this same mentality when we were in school, boarding school in Uganda. People would go like, oh, like, you know, leaving your suitcase, like, they would pull, like-
- SPSpeaker
Lock them. Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... lock them and everything. And I'd go like, "No. Why?" If someone, someone can approach me and ask me for something, if they feel the need to go and steal, which, you know, results in expulsion and suspension-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... they needed that thing. They really des- they need, they need that thing more than I needed it.
- SPSpeaker
Here's a question, then.
- JOJoe Opio
So-
- SPSpeaker
Even in terms of, okay, let's just say okay, that I can get conceptually.
- JOJoe Opio
Okay.
- SPSpeaker
But then how do you deal with, like, being a morning person? Do you know what I mean? Sometimes you're just in a bad mood because you didn't get enough sleep.
- JOJoe Opio
I don't believe in the concept of so much sleep, and Trevor knows this, and you know this as well. 'Cause I go like, I'm winning so much at life, I don't want to sleep. 'Cause if you're sleeping, then you're not winning. You're just lying there.
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
You're not actively... No, no. No, sleeping is one of the only activities where you're not actively enjoying the thing. So when I'm watching a soccer game, I go like, "Wow, this is amazing." When I'm watching a Broadway show, I go... When I'm having a conversation, I'm eating food, I go like, "Oh, this is delicious. This is amazing." When I'm sleeping, I'm like this glass. I'm not actively enjoying the thing. Now, I understand the benefit of sleep. You're fresh and all this. But I'm going like, for me, sleeping is like being on social media. People who win are not on social media, 'cause they're busy winning at life. They're busy enjoying life.
- SPSpeaker
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
Sleeping means... So me, when I was youn- when I was a bit, you know, in my teenage years, I also go like, "Yo, if I make it, I'll watch every show. I'll watch every, I'll read every book. I'll, you know, I'll do things." And now I'm at that stage in my life where I really could watch every show, because you're a member of the Guild. They give you all these screenings. I could read every book, 'cause I'm in New York, I can access them. The one thing I don't have is time. I don't have enough time to do it, 'cause you only have 24 hours in a day. So I want to spend a minimum of those hours sleeping. 'Cause sleep, you know, the-
- SPSpeaker
As little as possible
- JOJoe Opio
... as little as possible. 'Cause I have things to do. I have w-
- SPSpeaker
Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... I, we, we play soccer up to 2:00. I have things to do. So sleeping, because it's the one thing I don't actively enjoy, is one thing... So I sleep, and Trevor knows this. I sleep. And you have seen me. We've gone on vacations.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah. No, Joe sleeps three, four hours.
- JOJoe Opio
I sleep at most three hours a day. [laughs] Three hours a day.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, he has... I, I think you have that gene that... I, I s- I spoke to a, um, [ts] uh, a doctor who works in, like, gene editing. Uh, and he told me that there's some people who are genetically predisposed to not needing sleep. I think you're one of those people, 'cause I've been with... Remember, we went to the World Cup together.
- JOJoe Opio
We've gone to two only. Mm.
- SPSpeaker
So, yeah, two World Cups, actually.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. Russia and Qatar. Mm.
- SPSpeaker
And, you know, people can tell you who they are all they want. When you spend almost 24 hours a day with them over a certain period of time, the cracks start to show. I went with this guy. We went to every game, and then we went to events afterwards, and then in the morning we did something else. And the, this man does not sleep, and he's fine with it. Like, three, four hours a night maximum. But more than that, to Dave's point, even when we couldn't get those hours' sleep, I was grumpy.
- JOJoe Opio
I remember. [laughs]
- SPSpeaker
What, what did he sound like when he was grumpy?
- JOJoe Opio
I remember. No, he would just refuse. We went shooting, and he just went like, "No, I'm done partying."
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah.
- 1:17:14 – 1:28:19
Joe’s Weird Hourly Alarm Sleep Hack
- JOJoe Opio
which was illegal-
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
... 'cause you couldn't bring in a radio, but we found a way. So BBC Sports was like, that was our thing, me and a group of other football, like soccer-loving guys. So we'd listen to BBC Sports to hear the roundup of the news, what happened in the Premier League, what happened in Champions League. Then from, it would end at around midnight thirty. Then from midnight thirty, everyone else is sleeping. Midnight thirty to, like, 3:00, now we are discussing what happened. You know soccer, like you discuss.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
So discussing, discussing, discussing. This was our moment where we went like, "Oh, now we're in control of our moment." And then we'd go to bed at around 4:00. Then you have to wake up at 6:00. And we used to do this 'cause BBC Sports was there every day.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
And we used to do this every day. Now, I don't know whether the other guys kept it up.
- SPSpeaker
They're dead probably.
- JOJoe Opio
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] Yes, but the th- the thing is you guys were able to do it as a group.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
So that's conditioning.
- JOJoe Opio
I think I made it.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes, guys. You, you're not hearing what I'm saying.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm not disputing the merits of conditioning. It is possible for a human being to do things that they couldn't do before by doing something repeatedly. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there is an extra element-
- JOJoe Opio
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... that now creates what we call the super athlete or the... There'll be people who have memories that are outsized.
- JOJoe Opio
100%.
- TNTrevor Noah
There are people who will be able to jump or run faster because their muscles twitch in a different way.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
So I'm saying you have that for sleep. But what's more impressive to me, because genes are genes, you don't choose them. What's more impressive to me, and I think it's to what Dave was alluding to, is, you see, you, you dismissed it very quickly as like, "I have a positive attitude because my life's going well. I work at The Daily Show, and I live in America, and I, I got to do..." Yeah, but I'm like, but you've constantly taken that framing even when the winning is not apparent. Does that make sense? So now it seems obvious because you work at The Daily Show, and now it seems obvious because you work in New York and you're in America, and you, you, you... So then it-
- JOJoe Opio
Well-
- TNTrevor Noah
... it's like, oh, that's like an obvious.
- JOJoe Opio
Mm-hmm. Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
But if I took The Daily Show away from you-
- JOJoe Opio
It would affect me, 'cause I was-
- TNTrevor Noah
You would still go-
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah, I was me without The Daily Show
- TNTrevor Noah
... you see?
- 1:28:19 – 1:45:38
Joe’s Pep Talk That Saved Trevor
- TNTrevor Noah
the world that we're getting read..." Then I was like, "Yeah, but you guys are terrible." Then you're like, "Yeah, but oof, [inhales] that means we're gonna rebuild this." That's what... Do you understand what I'm trying to say right now?
- JOJoe Opio
That is the... Yes. It's-
- TNTrevor Noah
Because, because now that's not a forg- that's not a foregone c- Th- there is no guarantee that Barcelona will get better
- JOJoe Opio
... No, I, I always look at it the same way. When, when we lost to Liverpool, remember?
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- JOJoe Opio
I go like, "Oh, but it was a great game." I don't... 'Cause, 'cause also soccer is entertainment. So for me, the way I look at it, I think you said it. I think I'm borrowing from... The thing you are doing at The Daily Show, I felt the thing you're doing at The Daily Show when everything wasn't going great, is you are complaining and bitching about a bird shitting on your Ferrari. But you have a Ferrari. How many other people would rather have... 'Cause you can clean the bird poo off the Ferrari.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, you can, you can clean the bird shit off
- JOJoe Opio
You still have the Ferrari. Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
How many other people would go like, "I would rather have that Ferrari with the bird poo, but at least I have a Ferrari"? So people mo- many times people focus on the bird poo instead of focusing on the Ferrari. And for me, I call it wasted stress.
- TNTrevor Noah
You call it what?
- JOJoe Opio
Wasted stress.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
Like, wasted stress. So when, for example, when I came to The Daily Show, there was a writer who came and told me she had been writing there seven years, and she told me every day when they gave her script to write, she thought it was the last day at work. She thought she would write such a bad script she would get fired. And I just go like, "So wait, you've done this for seven years. Every day of those seven years you haven't enjoyed this experience at all because you're stressed about losing this thing."
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
And I was like, "No." I told her, "No, if I lost The Daily Show, I would go like, 'Oh, thank God I'm going to get The Daily Show better.'" I look at it the way, if, if you dated Beyoncé, you can either spend the whole time, or if you're married to Beyoncé, you can e- either spend the whole time worrying that Beyoncé's going to dump you, or you can enjoy it and go like, "Hey, if Beyoncé dumps me, if Rihanna, Rihanna dumps me, I'll get something better than R- 'cause I could get Rihanna. Why do I think she's the best I can get? That means I can get the same or better." And so it's that. I feel like people spend... And I think it's also people do it because it's seen as a sign of adulting, like always worrying about stuff-
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm-hmm
- JOJoe Opio
... always being anxious, and I don't believe in that. Because my mom told me, "You should never grow up. You shouldn't-
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
Until you've grown up, you should never grow up." And I'm like, "Oh, how will I know?" She was like, "You'll know. But don't grow up," 'cause we are always forced to grow up. Like, worry. In school, people always be worried. It's like, "You're a kid, why are you worried? Just enjoy this experience." Again, at The Daily Show, I remember, um, you hired this, uh, producer, and after two weeks she had never said anything in the meeting, and she comes to me and she goes like, "Yo, can I have a word?" And I went like, "Oh, what's up?" Then she went like, "How do you, how come you confidently pitch jokes and takes in a meeting, yet you have an accent? How come that doesn't, like, hold you back? 'Cause me, every time I try to say something, I start second-guessing myself. 'Oh, is it smart enough? Would I seem dumb? Oh, this...'" And then I told her, "I don't think about that. I feel like I belong in the room because I'm in the room. I don't feel any less smart because of my accent. I feel..." So then I told her, it's like, and again, wrong, wrong analogy. I said, I said, "It's like being on Epstein's island." No one is going around going like, "Hey, what do..." Everyone assumes you're a billionaire celebrity and you belong
- TNTrevor Noah
Was this the analogy you used then?
- JOJoe Opio
I used the-
- TNTrevor Noah
This is-
- JOJoe Opio
I used the analogy of like-
- TNTrevor Noah
We were-
- JOJoe Opio
I used-
- TNTrevor Noah
Wow
- JOJoe Opio
... I used Illuminati
- TNTrevor Noah
... this is-
- JOJoe Opio
But-
- 1:45:38 – 1:54:00
Joe’s Obsession: 25+ Cruises Explained
- JOJoe Opio
then I turned up
- TNTrevor Noah
... three years in, 12 cruises deep
- JOJoe Opio
... yes, I turned up and they went like, and because of probably the way I was dressed, 'cause it was cocktail, but I was dressed the way I want.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
And I think they went like, "Oh, this must be one of the, you know, w-
- TNTrevor Noah
Somali pirates
- JOJoe Opio
... workers."
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh.
- JOJoe Opio
Oh, yes. So, so, so I turn, and yeah, exactly.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
Somali pirates raiding the ship. No, so I turn up, and then I was the only Black guy there.
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
One, I was the only guy under 40, and so they go like, "Whoa, so how did you end up..." They were, they were really surprised. And I, I, and I went like, "Every chance I get. Every chance I get."
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
So for me, I do this, and I do this with food as well. If I find something I enjoy, I do that thing and I, I will do it. I won't try to, like, venture out.
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh, you don't value add.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah. Same, same thing with, like, y- when I eat. When I, when I go out with you, I eat the same Indian food every time.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
And you sometimes go like, "Oh, Joe, try." And I go like, "No, but I found the thing that I like."
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
So why should I try to ... I found the thing that works for me. And so I feel like it could also be, like, you know, when, when, when, the way I was brought up, 'cause my mom, again, to go back to her, so my mom taught me, like, certain things. One of the biggest lessons she gave me, I remember, one of the biggest lessons, and she doesn't even remember it 'cause mothers are like that. They say things and they don't think about them. So when we were teenagers, you know, you start sneaking around. Boys start sneaking around with girls, you know, corners around.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- JOJoe Opio
And my mom, I remember, told me, and I was too young to even think about girls like that. And she was like, "Hey, if you ever want to get a girl, please don't be like these friends of yours who we see at the side of gates, you know, in dark corners. Bring the girl home. Bring the girl home and let's meet her." And sh- so she told me, "Whatever decision you make, it should always be for you."
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
That makes sense.
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- JOJoe Opio
"Whatever decision," she told me, "You can, if you want to do drugs, if you want to rob a bank, if you want to beat up teachers, do it for you. I'll back you 100% of the way. The only thing I never want you to do is to try to pass the blame. So when you're, like, sowing, sowing, sowing, when the reaping comes, I don't want you to go like, 'Oh, I was peer pressured by my friends-
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm
- 1:54:00 – 2:06:31
Uganda’s Crazy Global History Moments
- JOJoe Opio
leaving, a Ugandan sniper takes out the commander of the Israel commandos.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yo, what?
- JOJoe Opio
He takes out Bibi Netanyahu's brother, and that's the incident that i- when you read Bibi Netanyahu's book, that's the incident-
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm
- JOJoe Opio
... that radicalized him.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's his villain, villain story.
- JOJoe Opio
That's his-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yo
- JOJoe Opio
... origin story.
- TNTrevor Noah
What?
- JOJoe Opio
That's his origin story. His brother was killed in Uganda 'cause he had come to rescue. The movie's v- th- this is a very huge ... If you talk about, if you talk to Jews-
- TNTrevor Noah
This is insane
- JOJoe Opio
... if you talk to Jews, this is a very big historical moment in their life, like, the raid on Entebbe. And now after all that, now Zoran is causing chaos.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- JOJoe Opio
Where is he from? Uganda. For such a small country, we always ... So now, and then n- next thing you hear Trump. Most people don't know this, the story about Uganda. Uganda was supposed to be the next Palestine. It's ... It ... I think it came down to one vote. The Zionist, you know-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- JOJoe Opio
... League sat and they went like, "Nope, we want to go to the country we're promised," and all that. But Uganda ... Be- because the British controlled Uganda, so they were, they were gonna go. And then now you have this, and then Bibi Netanyahu. So all this, Bibi Netanyahu, like, the pain he has, the radicalization, the monster he has become, is all because his brother, his oldest brother. You can imagine how, like-
- TNTrevor Noah
Damn.
- JOJoe Opio
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Damn, Uganda. Huh?
- JOJoe Opio
You're not gonna believe thisss.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- JOJoe Opio
It's almost like Swordfish.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] Oh, my goodness. No.
- JOJoe Opio
Uganda is like, what's happening right now?
- TNTrevor Noah
There's gonna be some swordfish deaths.
- JOJoe Opio
No, no, I'm, I'm-
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm loving it, man
- JOJoe Opio
... but also, like, but also, like, but also, like, look at the story we have with South Africa.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
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