Michael Che: Kicking Trevor Out of VIP

What happens when Michael Che accidentally kicks Trevor Noah out of a New York VIP section? The SNL star joins Trevor and Eugene to revisit their awkward encounter and swap stories about life in comedy, from its unwritten rules to the challenges of navigating fame and mental health. Along the way, they explore the cultural differences between Africans and Black Americans, share stories about some of comedy's biggest legends, and somehow end up debating whether Japanese bidets might be one of humanity's greatest inventions. Subscribe for more conversations from What Now? with Trevor Noah: http://bit.ly/SubscribeTrevorNoah Or follow the podcast on your other favorite platforms... SiriusXM Apple Podcasts - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnApplePodcasts Spotify - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnSpotify 0:00 - Intro and Pig Feet Stories 1:47 - Meeting at Comedy Festivals 6:17 - The VIP Club Story 12:57 - Comedians and Celebrity Status 17:56 - Louis CK at SNL 22:30 - The SNL Week Explained 26:55 - The Kanye Backstage Video 31:29 - Kanye and Mental Health 37:48 - Trevor's Grandfather and Bipolar 44:33 - Rehabilitation, Dogs, and Chris Brown 52:38 - Hope for NYC and Growing Up Poor 1:06:02 - How Michael Got Into Comedy 1:12:56 - Cars, Lamborghinis, and Tracy Morgan 1:18:17 - Comedy Taking Itself Too Seriously 1:31:23 - Growing Up Across the Black Diaspora 1:39:11 - Grandmother's Sacrifice and Freedom 1:42:28 - Money, Fame, and Taking Over a White Man's Spot 1:52:34 - Stand-Up, the Cellar, and Dave Chappelle 2:06:35 - Comedy Writing and International Audiences 2:17:52 - Closing Thoughts #WhatnowPodcast #TrevorNoah #MichaelChe

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0:00 – 1:47
Intro and Pig Feet Stories
1. TNTrevor Noah
  [upbeat music] We both-
2. MCMichael Che
  That's me
3. TNTrevor Noah
  ... were in a position where we took over a beloved white man's spot.
4. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Yo, the... One of the only things that kept me going at The Daily Show was seeing the hate that you were getting.
6. MCMichael Che
  Yeah. [laughs] You eat pig feet.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah. Yes. And they in the- Yes, yes ... like, they still look like that.
8. MCMichael Che
  Trevor Noah.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Like this. They still look like this.
10. MCMichael Che
  You don't eat no damn pig feet, yeah. Y'all fucking with me.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  For real, for real. We wouldn't lie to you.
12. MCMichael Che
  With, like, a, like, a fork and a knife?
13. TNTrevor Noah
  No. No, bare hands. Bare hands, bro. Bare knuckle fi- You can't- Because the bare knuckle. [censored]
14. MCMichael Che
  I'm telling you, if you got somebody in your life and they use the ba- they wanna use your bathroom, and you got you one of them.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  I'm in.
16. MCMichael Che
  She gonna be like, "This guy's nice."
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
18. MCMichael Che
  "He knows how to take care of something delicate."
19. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
20. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, man. [laughs] Absolutely, brother. Ab- she gonna look at you different.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  For real, for real.
22. MCMichael Che
  For real, for real.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  For real.
24. MCMichael Che
  Listen, I don't have one book in my house. I got a Toto. They think I'm smart. [censored]
25. TNTrevor Noah
  We only had the car. It was an old Volkswagen Beetle, Volkswagen, as Americans say.
26. MCMichael Che
  I was gonna say, you said that like no other Black man I've ever met. [laughs]
27. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
28. MCMichael Che
  What'd you call it, a Hocus? [laughs]
29. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
30. MCMichael Che
  My brain never feels more alive than being on a stage.
1:47 – 6:17
Meeting at Comedy Festivals
1. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
2. MCMichael Che
  And I was doing good.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  Mm.
4. MCMichael Che
  I thought I was doing great, until I found out what great was. And I remember being in the back of that, some venue.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah.
6. MCMichael Che
  It was like a rock venue.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  That was a beautiful venue.
8. MCMichael Che
  I was in the back. There was all these girls there.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  What?
10. MCMichael Che
  And I, man, I remember.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  You see, you see how he blacks out?
12. MCMichael Che
  I remember. Don't act like you don't know, Trevor.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  No, he doesn't remember. I can-
14. MCMichael Che
  I, he remembers. I've, I've brought this up to him-
15. TNTrevor Noah
  You do?
16. MCMichael Che
  ... about 40 times.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  I w- I, but I wish. You see, I remember, I was like-
18. MCMichael Che
  All these girls, all these beautiful girls are standing in the back, and I'm trying to talk to each and every one, and they're all entertaining me, and then the lights went dark.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
20. MCMichael Che
  The lights went dark. That motherfucker Trevor Noah got on that stage. Oh, man. They was giving me their ID. They thought I was the bouncer after.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
22. MCMichael Che
  It was over. It was over. I was like, "Oh, Lord. Who is this guy?"
23. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
24. MCMichael Che
  And the, and the r- the roar, the, the crowd, everybody was loud. I was like, "Man, I got a lot to learn about-
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Man
26. MCMichael Che
  ... this international scene."
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Nah, man, I miss... I, I was, I was saying to Eugene, I was like, "One of the greatest gifts and curses of success, especially at a moment in time..." You know, you talking about the 30 guitars in one place.
28. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  You do realize, there was a moment where it was me, you, Hannibal Buress, Ronny Chieng-
30. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm
6:17 – 12:57
The VIP Club Story
1. MCMichael Che
  He said general population. [laughs]
2. TNTrevor Noah
  It is general population.
3. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  The owner of the club-
5. EUEugene
  Luckily you didn't say c- with the civilians
6. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
7. TNTrevor Noah
  The owner of the club comes and goes, "Yo, um, do you guys wanna come into the VIP section?" Whatever, what. So I'm like, "I mean, I, I get, I don't know, but I, okay, I gu- I'm, I'm new in New York."
8. EUEugene
  So who's you guys?
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Me and a few random friends.
10. EUEugene
  Okay, okay.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  I forget who it even was, right?
12. EUEugene
  Yes, yes.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  So we go to the VIP section. But now we're there for free, we have not paid for anything, we have no bottle service. We have none of the amenities of VIP.
14. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
15. TNTrevor Noah
  We're merely in VIP, okay?
16. MCMichael Che
  This is, by the way, this is, like, the best club in New Y- just, 1 OAK. This is, like, the bomb.
17. EUEugene
  Mm. Mm.
18. MCMichael Che
  This was, like, the spot.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  And at its peak.
20. MCMichael Che
  At its peak.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, at its peak.
22. MCMichael Che
  This was, like-
23. EUEugene
  Mm
24. MCMichael Che
  ... yeah.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  While we're there, I start getting into it.
26. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
27. TNTrevor Noah
  I'm like, "Yo, this is nice. I see why people do VIP."
28. EUEugene
  Yeah, yeah.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  I, this is a nice feeling.
30. EUEugene
  Yeah, what's there? What's, what's going on?
12:57 – 17:56
Comedians and Celebrity Status
1. MCMichael Che
  celebrities.
2. EUEugene
  Mm.
3. MCMichael Che
  And I think the ones that aren't reluctant-
4. EUEugene
  Hey
5. MCMichael Che
  ... are usually not that good.
6. EUEugene
  Yes.
7. MCMichael Che
  But-
8. EUEugene
  Yes
9. MCMichael Che
  ... but for the most part, I think, I mean, ob- obviously there's a difference. I mean-
10. TNTrevor Noah
  So, okay. I, I think part of it is the comedian. A- and this is something I've always loved about comedians, is-
11. MCMichael Che
  Mm
12. TNTrevor Noah
  ... if you think of the best comedians in the world, the best comedy clubs in the world-
13. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... the only thing that separates Dave Chappelle from a phenomenal comedian that nobody knows-
15. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
16. TNTrevor Noah
  ... is the fact that people know Dave Chappelle.
17. EUEugene
  Mm.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  And when you see Dave Chappelle-
19. MCMichael Che
  We're gonna get a call about that, by the way, but-
20. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in a comedy club, the respect ... No, but I'm saying the respect-
21. MCMichael Che
  You're right. No, you're right
22. TNTrevor Noah
  ... that he gives that comedian-
23. MCMichael Che
  You're right
24. TNTrevor Noah
  ... nobody would think he would give that comedian that level of respect.
25. MCMichael Che
  You're right.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  Dave will fan out over a comedian as if they're Dave-
27. EUEugene
  And he's Dave. Yeah
28. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in a way where you go, like, "What, what is happening right now?"
29. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, it's bonkers.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  You get what I'm saying?
17:56 – 22:30
Louis CK at SNL
1. MCMichael Che
  I'll, I'll explain later. But, um, I've heard him tell this story. That's, that's why I feel comfortable enough to say it. But there was a, he was hosting SNL for, like, maybe the third or fourth time, and I was maybe a second-year writer. And I remember he, um, his monologue was too long, the, the part in the front.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
3. EUEugene
  Yeah, yeah.
4. MCMichael Che
  You know, like, the stand-up part.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Mm-hmm.
6. MCMichael Che
  It was about 12 minutes, and Lorne wanted about eight minutes or something. And Louis, you know, Louis's Louis. He's at the height of his powers. He's like, "Nah, nah. This is bulletproof. Like, I've, I've, you know, done this." So at, at dress rehearsal, we have a meeting Where we have to, like, figure out time for the show
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Right
8. MCMichael Che
  And Lorne's like, "We gotta get that to eight minutes." And he's like, "What if I don't want to?" And he's like, "Well, then I'll realize you're not professional," or some, some cold Lorne shit.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Damn.
10. MCMichael Che
  So he's like, "So, uh, Michael Che's gonna go with you in your dressing room and listen to it again, and just, you know, figure out where the cuts are." [laughs] And I'm sitting there like, "I'ma do what?"
11. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
12. MCMichael Che
  So I had to go in Louis CK's dressing room and listen to his set-
13. TNTrevor Noah
  And figure out where the cuts are
14. MCMichael Che
  ... and find out where the cuts... Me, I'm gonna tell Louis, "I think you- [laughs] I don't think you need that joke." But he was so, I think he realized how awkward of a space that was for me-
15. TNTrevor Noah
  Okay, great. Right, right, right
16. MCMichael Che
  ... how new this, that he was like, he was cool about it.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Right.
18. MCMichael Che
  He was, like, asking me legitimately as a friend, 'cause he could've been like, "Get the fuck out of my dressing room."
19. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah. "Who are you?"
20. MCMichael Che
  You, yeah, like, but, and I would've been like, "I totally understand. I feel the same way."
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22. MCMichael Che
  "You, you figure it out on your own, uh, Mr., Mr. Genius." But no, it w- I'll never forget that. He was cool enough to be like, "What do you think about this? Or maybe I don't need the..." Like, he was, he was a pro.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  Hmm.
24. MCMichael Che
  Like, he, he, he handled it great, and I always been thankful about that, because he could've made that real awkward for me.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  But that's what I think the great comedians do.
26. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, like, and I, and I mean, uh, so here's, here's what I mean-
28. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
29. TNTrevor Noah
  ... right? Because comedy is not a, um, learned profession in a pr- in, like, a, like, you don't go to school for it.
30. MCMichael Che
  No.
22:30 – 26:55
The SNL Week Explained
1. MCMichael Che
  like, people would ask us, like, "Who was the worst, and who was the best?" And I'm like, "It's really not fair to say who's, to judge somebody based on their time there," because they're there for a week. It's scary. It's fast. There's no other show like it.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Hmm.
3. MCMichael Che
  So there's no way to prepare for it. So unless you just do it all the time.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Right. Okay.
5. MCMichael Che
  So if somebody, if a star, if you, if you're hosting SNL, and you don't trust the s- the, the table read, you don't think it's funny-
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, damn
7. MCMichael Che
  ... or-
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Okay
9. MCMichael Che
  ... you don't trust the rehearsals and the run-throughs, and the, like, you don't know the process, so why would you trust it?
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Especially if you don't do comedy at all.
11. MCMichael Che
  Especially if you don't do comedy at all.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
13. MCMichael Che
  But also, if you do comedy, it's even worse. Actually, it's even worse if you do comedy, because you know-
14. TNTrevor Noah
  Hmm
15. MCMichael Che
  ... how to make people laugh.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, you know your type of funny.
17. MCMichael Che
  So if somebody's showing you something, like, "Trust me, it's gonna work," or you don't find it funny, but you gotta do it live on television, you're like, "You're gonna make me look stupid. People are gonna think I'm not funny now."
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Not funny that way.
19. MCMichael Che
  Now, if you're an athlete, it doesn't matter, or if you're a actor-
20. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
21. MCMichael Che
  ... you're like, "Oh, whatever, I just trust whoever's funny." But if you're Louis CK, if you're Trevor Noah, if you're, if you're a, a, a, a big comedy star, and you're tr- trusted, you're trusting these scripts-
22. TNTrevor Noah
  I never thought of it that way
23. MCMichael Che
  ... it's scary. Yeah, so, like, a lot of times people are, they're, they have a rough go, but it's not because they're bad people. It's just because it's a scary, you know, situation.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah. I love that.
25. MCMichael Che
  So I try to give grace to them.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  So you, you're, you're basically going, "I want to protect their experience in the institution, because I understand that it's not as simple as-"
27. MCMichael Che
  Exactly.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, okay.
29. MCMichael Che
  Exactly. So I, it, there's a lot of people that, after the show, they're like, "Man, thank you so much," or, "Man, that was, that was crazy. That was, 'cause you guys do this every week." Like, they're, they're shocked by what the process is. It's not a natural process, but you see it enough that you're like, "I can't judge you for being a dick that Thursday."
30. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
26:55 – 31:29
The Kanye Backstage Video
1. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Telling Kanye. Telling off Kanye. Did that come on your feed as well?
3. EUEugene
  Yeah, that came up on my feed as well.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  How?
5. MCMichael Che
  Yo.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Yo, like-
7. MCMichael Che
  Literally today, for some reason, it's been coming up a lot lately.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Yo, how?
9. MCMichael Che
  I don't know. I don't know.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  How?
11. EUEugene
  We didn't even speak about this.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  W- No, we didn't.
13. MCMichael Che
  I know.
14. TNTrevor Noah
  You see, I didn't know that you saw it as well.
15. MCMichael Che
  Well, that's a, that's another thing.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  How?
17. MCMichael Che
  I see, like, that video, I don't know who taped that. I don't know where that came from. I never talked about it. Nobody ever mentioned it. And then all of a sudden, it's just everywhere. And I'm like, where? I would never said none of that stuff on a camera. I didn't, I didn't know.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but that's what it felt. It, to me-
19. EUEugene
  Yeah
20. TNTrevor Noah
  ... you, you didn't see someone was filming. You-
21. MCMichael Che
  No, I didn't. I had no idea
22. TNTrevor Noah
  ... I've never seen anything from backstage.
23. MCMichael Che
  And I felt a little blindsided by that, but whatever.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, SNL. Yeah. And then I went back and watched, like, a documentary on that moment, or, like, I saw clips. I was like, "What is hap-"... But that moment I was like, "Damn, Michael Che." I was like, "This is, this is behind, this is the, the shit that you wanna handle behind the scenes."
25. EUEugene
  Mm.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  And then all of a sudden it is-
27. EUEugene
  In front of this-
28. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but how does it come out, like, seven years-
29. EUEugene
  Yeah.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  Why is it out now?
31:29 – 37:48
Kanye and Mental Health
1. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm
2. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and manic depression and all of those things. He always reminded me of my grandfather.
3. MCMichael Che
  Interesting.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, that was 100% my grandfather, like that-
5. MCMichael Che
  Did your grandfather make Snickers? [laughs]
6. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
7. MCMichael Che
  Did he make amazing-
8. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs] Oh my God
9. MCMichael Che
  ... amazing Snickers? No. [laughs]
10. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs] Oh, man. Oh, comedians will be the death of me, bro. So-
11. MCMichael Che
  Oh, my-
12. TNTrevor Noah
  'Cause my, 'cause my grandfather-
13. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... literally when he was diagnosed with his bipolar, he'd have a red pill and a blue pill.
15. MCMichael Che
  Oh.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  And he would have to choose one.
17. EUEugene
  No, man. You're lying now.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  No, it's 100%. The ... And this is, like, before The Matrix. Not even, like, a ... The, uh ... That's literally what they, they prescribed him.
19. EUEugene
  He would have, like-
20. TNTrevor Noah
  He'd have a red pill and a blue pill, and they were in e- each in two d- different bottles.
21. EUEugene
  Mm-hmm.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  And so if he woke up, like, manic, blue pill.
23. MCMichael Che
  Oh.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  And then if he woke up, like-
25. EUEugene
  Depressed
26. TNTrevor Noah
  ... like, super depressed, red pill, and it would get him to normal. So we had, like, those types of experiences-
27. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
28. TNTrevor Noah
  ... with him all the ti- So even when Kanye would be, like, going ... I kept saying to people, I was like, one, I don't understand why we all talk about mental health in society, but then when somebody's showing us the effects of a mental health issue, we're not now respond ... 'Cause everyone would be like, "Mental health, mental health." Then I'm like, yeah, but here's somebody-
29. EUEugene
  Showing you
30. TNTrevor Noah
  ... who has said himself, and I'm going as well, like, yeah, I agree, he does have a mental health issue.
37:48 – 44:33
Trevor's Grandfather and Bipolar
1. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
2. TNTrevor Noah
  So-
3. MCMichael Che
  Goddamn
4. TNTrevor Noah
  ... so my, my gr- so my grandfather, my mom would ask him to help with errands, you know, on the, the house and everything, so during the week. So my grandfather wakes up one day manic, full-on manic. And when he's manic, he'd, like, run around. He'd, like, he called me master. So he'd be like, "Master, master, let me tell you something, master."
5. MCMichael Che
  Oh.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, it was a race thing. So he was like, to me, like, he was like, "To, to me, you're white".
7. MCMichael Che
  Oh.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  But only when he was manic. When he was normal, he was like, "No, you're my grandson". When he was manic, he was like, he called me master.
9. MCMichael Che
  That's tough.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Crazy, crazy times. So he was like, "Master, let me tell you something, master", you know? So he grabs the car. My mom's like, "Yo, we need some bread and milk". So he, so he said to Mom, he's like, "Don't tell me what to do. You cannot tell me what I must..." And it's like, "We just need bread and milk, man. Just get some bread and milk". So he goes. He's, like, gonna go to the shops. Drives. This is in the morning.
11. MCMichael Che
  Y'all send him to the store like that?
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Man. Hey, man, you know what it-
13. EUEugene
  [laughs]
14. TNTrevor Noah
  Ah, but you know what it's like.
15. EUEugene
  I don't.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  No, no, no. C- come on.
17. EUEugene
  Come on, master.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  [speaks foreign language] .
19. EUEugene
  [laughs]
20. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Come on. We, we, we're not... Michael, we need shit done.
22. EUEugene
  Nah, but guys, I, I don't-
23. TNTrevor Noah
  Michael, we need shit done
24. EUEugene
  ... ah, Michael, that, that was irresponsible.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Michael, we need shit done.
26. MCMichael Che
  Man.
27. EUEugene
  Oh, okay. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  We need shit done.
29. EUEugene
  Okay, yeah.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  Your personality is not determining your ability-
44:33 – 52:38
Rehabilitation, Dogs, and Chris Brown
1. TNTrevor Noah
  We want them rehabilitated. We want to, we wanna figure this thi- But when it actually happens-
2. EUEugene
  Yeah, no one is there
3. TNTrevor Noah
  ... the thing everyone is saying is, "Put them in jail. Send them away. Lock them up."
4. EUEugene
  Lock them up.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  "Don't let them come." Then I'm like, yo, but what... It seems like you want rehabilitation in a theoretical sense, but when you actually know a perpetrator, you're like, "No, no, no, not them."
6. EUEugene
  Yeah, yeah.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Then I'm like, okay, but then who?
8. EUEugene
  Yeah.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Where do we start the journey? And again, I'm not saying no accountability, because people say, "What about accounta-" No, I'm not saying no accountability. But I would just like us to practice the rehabilitation that we want on the theoretical side when there's an actual example for us.
10. EUEugene
  So can pets, like dogs, have mental health issues?
11. TNTrevor Noah
  I don't know. I'm not an expert in this. This is out of my field now, Eugene. You've taken it too far.
12. EUEugene
  Because I've seen when, when dogs turn on, on people and then rawr.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  I don't, I don't know if that's a-
14. EUEugene
  Then people are like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, th- this dog..." 'Cause the people that own the dogs are usually like, "He, he's never like this."
15. TNTrevor Noah
  Yes, that's true.
16. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
17. EUEugene
  "Yeah, he's never... We don't know what happened. He's never like this." That time another chihuahua's being mauled there, or another human being. 'Cause, you know, there's your favorite-
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Who?
19. EUEugene
  ... singer.
20. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, who? Chris Brown?
21. EUEugene
  How Brown. Yes.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  That story was crazy. Wait, did you see that story?
23. MCMichael Che
  No.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  I didn't know this. Like, apparently his dog bit his, um, his, uh, housekeeper or something.
25. MCMichael Che
  His dog bit his housekeeper?
26. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
27. MCMichael Che
  Oh.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  I was like, damn, Chris Brown's just like, shit's just happening in his world, man.
29. MCMichael Che
  Man, it's hard to be a singer named Brown.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
52:38 – 1:06:02
Hope for NYC and Growing Up Poor
1. MCMichael Che
  the mayors, the w- of all the people we've had, he seems like the one that sort of looks at New York from the lens of New Yorkers. A- and, and it's, it's refreshing. I think that's what people really, really like about him-
2. EUEugene
  Yeah
3. MCMichael Che
  ... is that he's, like ... Everything that he wants to bring to the city is something that I believe he would enjoy about the city, you know?
4. EUEugene
  Yeah.
5. MCMichael Che
  And it, it's, it's sort of like i- I don't think we've had anybody like that and-
6. EUEugene
  It's like the theater of yours. It's built by artists.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly it.
8. MCMichael Che
  Same kind of thing.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah.
10. MCMichael Che
  Same kind of deal.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  The artists just come into the place.
12. MCMichael Che
  But, man, that's the first thing you said that made sense today. [laughs]
13. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
14. EUEugene
  [laughs]
15. MCMichael Che
  No, wait. No, no, no.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
17. EUEugene
  [laughs]
18. MCMichael Che
  I mean that in a ... I'm, I'm being ... I mean that as a compliment.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
20. EUEugene
  [laughs]
21. MCMichael Che
  You crazy as hell. [laughs]
22. TNTrevor Noah
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23. MCMichael Che
  You like that?
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of countries where nobody owns dogs. Yeah, yeah. The dogs just live there, and then- Like chickens sometimes, uh, other countries, yeah.
25. MCMichael Che
  Yo, it used to be like that in America. I haven't seen a stray dog in, like, I don't know how long, like, like, 20 years.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  I think now they put them in shelters, right?
27. MCMichael Che
  There used to be stray dogs all the time and-
28. TNTrevor Noah
  You guys had that?
29. MCMichael Che
  Hell yeah-
30. TNTrevor Noah
  I never knew you had that
1:06:02 – 1:12:56
How Michael Got Into Comedy
1. MCMichael Che
  um, it was something that's, like, a fantasy as a kid. Like when you're watching comedians, watching Carlin, watching Chris Rock, watching, you know, uh, Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, shit like that.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Chris-
3. MCMichael Che
  You [laughs]
4. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
5. MCMichael Che
  May he, may he rest, uh-
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Don't worry, bro.
7. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Who, who in this is recording? It's okay.
9. MCMichael Che
  [laughs] Watching those guy. Damon Wayans was my guy.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, man.
11. MCMichael Che
  I love Damon Wayans to this day, man. And I think, like, you know, my family a- was like a big comedy house. Like, they loved, we watched Hollywood Shuffle. We watched In Living Color. We watched, uh, uh, um- I'm Gonna Get You Sucka, Eddie Murphy Raw, like everything that was comedy, we watched it. Himself. What's some others? Uh, yeah, so I think, like, that power, my grandfather's a pastor.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Okay. Okay.
13. MCMichael Che
  So, like, you know, that sort of holding court, you know, family gatherings-
14. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
15. MCMichael Che
  ... everybody just snapping and going at it, and the people that were the funny ones were kind of the special ones. It was like, "Oh, wait till Jerome come. Wait till Uncle Nick," you know, "Wait till..." You know, there's all these people that was, like, super, super f- My brother was really funny. And, um, you know, I had one of those families that we would just snap all night. And so there was sort of a currency. I think, like, when you don't have a lot of money, something else is gonna become your currency.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
17. MCMichael Che
  You know, it's gonna be-
18. TNTrevor Noah
  It has to.
19. MCMichael Che
  Has to be. It could be funny. It could be, uh, sports. Some families are sports families. [laughs]
20. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
21. MCMichael Che
  Some families are just-
22. TNTrevor Noah
  Food
23. MCMichael Che
  ... food, whatever it is.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah.
25. MCMichael Che
  You know, some barbecue families are like, that, like, that was our currency, was who was the funniest, who could really get you, who could make my grandmother laugh the hardest. You know what I mean? So, like, that was kind of, always held a special place. And I think when I started to see HBO specials and Chris Rock and Carlin, like those guys, and I, I started to see it kinda put together, you know, in a smart way. I was like, "Oh, you could, like, kinda say what you think, you know, like, your, your frustrations for real. It's doesn't have to just be Def Jam. It could be, you know, kinda pointed." And, and, you know, being in school, you're sorta like the smart aleck and the class clown and always asking questions and trying to challenge the teacher. Real shitty kid things, but it was making my brain sharp, you know? And, um, I had a reputation for it. And I had buddies that were like, "Man, you should, you should do it." And I never thought I could do it because I didn't know anybody that had done it.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  That was doing it. Okay. Yeah.
27. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, so it's like, where do you even start? I'd had, I didn't know anybody in show business. And then one day, uh, I was just kinda, like, in between really bad jobs, and-
28. TNTrevor Noah
  What were you doing? What was your first job?
29. MCMichael Che
  My first job, I worked at a car dealership as, like-
30. TNTrevor Noah
  No, but doing what?
1:12:56 – 1:18:17
Cars, Lamborghinis, and Tracy Morgan
1. TNTrevor Noah
  Manhattan, so- The first thing I rented when I got here, 'cause after Seinfeld, I was like, "Oh, I should do this", I rented a Lamborghini.
2. MCMichael Che
  My man.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  And then I was like, "I'm gonna drive through Times Square with my Lamborghini". Never before have I felt l- You know, in most parts of the world, Lamborghini plus person-
4. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
5. TNTrevor Noah
  ... equals ultimate levels of cool.
6. MCMichael Che
  Coolness. Yeah, no. Next level cool.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Come to New York.
8. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Drive a Lamborghini or Ferrari or anything inside M- Manhattan, Times Square.
10. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  People look at you like you wore a tank top on a rainy day.
12. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, yeah.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  Everyone looks at you like, "What are you... What are you-
14. MCMichael Che
  But I think Tracy Morgan does it all the time.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah. That, that exactly. It's Tracy. [laughs]
16. MCMichael Che
  I think that, I think you're making a point. [laughs]
17. TNTrevor Noah
  That answers, that answers your question. You, did you see... Remember when Tracy's car got hit by an Uber?
18. MCMichael Che
  I think you're making this point.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  No. Tracy got hit by like a, like a s- like a small little Nissan Runaround type thing.
20. MCMichael Che
  Oh, man.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Yo, Tracy, they hit his-
22. MCMichael Che
  Tracy is a wild boy
23. TNTrevor Noah
  ... he just bought the Bugatti. He drove out of the dealership. I think it was his second Bugatti. Drove out of the dealership, and then some random Uber driver just like, bam, hit Tracy Morgan in his, in his Bugatti.
24. MCMichael Che
  I remember when Tracy first came home from, like, the accident, like, from the hospital, and we first seen him. And it was, like, rumors, like, "Tracy's back. Tracy's back". We didn't know if he was okay or not.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
26. MCMichael Che
  Like, how okay he was or whatever. And we was just so thankful that he was alive.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but he was alive. Him and Artie.
28. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, him and Artie.
29. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, it was... Yeah, yeah.
30. MCMichael Che
  Him and... We had seen Artie, though.
1:18:17 – 1:31:23
Comedy Taking Itself Too Seriously
1. TNTrevor Noah
  as much money.
2. MCMichael Che
  Right.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  And so comedy was crazier.
4. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, sometimes when I see us as comedians now, I go, I think sometimes we take ourselves way too seriously.
6. MCMichael Che
  There's too many god reels.
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, but we also take ourselves too seriously.
8. MCMichael Che
  Yeah. We definitely do.
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, I, I see comedians now, I have to remind myself all the time. I go like, "Yo, do not forget. You're a loser. You got bullied. You're an idiot. You're a clown. You're stupid. You're not cool. You..." I have to remind myself of that because now comedy has, like, ascended in a way that, like-
10. MCMichael Che
  Right. Rockstar
11. TNTrevor Noah
  ... now comedians are rockstar. Now you walk out on stage, uh, now there's, like, a... And it's like, no, but don't forget what this thing, like, is and was.
12. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, you might be beloved and co- but just don't forget that side of it
14. MCMichael Che
  Yeah. We started believing the, the adjectives, you know? Like, a lot of times, I, I do think there was a time when they started writing about comedy-
15. TNTrevor Noah
  That's what I mean
16. MCMichael Che
  ... in the most romantic way.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  There you go.
18. MCMichael Che
  And now we, now we all think we're brilliant, and genius, and, and all of this shit, and we're not. We're just funny, at best.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  Mm.
20. MCMichael Che
  Like, the best, best-case scenarios, we're funny.
21. EUEugene
  Feels like comedy's going through what chefs went through.
22. TNTrevor Noah
  Yes. Yeah, yeah, actually, yes.
23. EUEugene
  Yeah.
24. TNTrevor Noah
  It was about cooking delicious food that people like.
25. EUEugene
  Yeah.
26. TNTrevor Noah
  And then it was like-
27. MCMichael Che
  Damn, that's true.
28. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
29. MCMichael Che
  Chefs, too
30. TNTrevor Noah
  Then it became, like, a-
1:31:23 – 1:39:11
Growing Up Across the Black Diaspora
1. MCMichael Che
  See, I always think, I just, maybe it's like a grass greener type thing. Like, I, I thought, I thought you had, like, you had it set out there.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  No.
3. MCMichael Che
  I ain't know.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  No, we ... That's one of the things that I always felt, sometimes it would be in a sad way, but in a beautiful way as well. It was like the one thing that connected me to Black people all over the world, was I was like, w- we'll sound different because of our accents.
5. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  We'll, like ... But I can talk to a guy who grew up in Brazil-
7. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm
8. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in the favelas-
9. EUEugene
  [laughs]
10. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and I can tell him stories from South Africa in the hood, and he'll be like, "Wait, we did that."
11. MCMichael Che
  Ain't that something?
12. TNTrevor Noah
  And then I'll talk to a Black person-
13. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
14. TNTrevor Noah
  ... in New York, and I, they'll be like, "We did that."
15. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  And then I'll talk to a- and I'll talk to ... It, it's, it's this fas- it's what you said about the soul food.
17. MCMichael Che
  Mm.
18. TNTrevor Noah
  Everyone took the culture and whatever they had, and it was molded by the place they were in.
19. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm.
20. EUEugene
  Yeah.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  But you can bring all the threads back-
22. MCMichael Che
  It all makes sense
23. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and you can connect all the moments.
24. MCMichael Che
  Mm.
25. TNTrevor Noah
  The same thing, the, you know, everyone will have a different word for it, but the barbecue, the braai, the, wherever people are cooking meat-
26. EUEugene
  Mm
27. TNTrevor Noah
  ... and then people are roasting each other, and it's informal, and the grandmother's cooking.
28. EUEugene
  Oh, mothers.
29. MCMichael Che
  Ain't that the truth?
30. TNTrevor Noah
  And, and, and the kids are all in the street-
1:39:11 – 1:42:28
Grandmother's Sacrifice and Freedom
1. MCMichael Che
  water shoot up your butt after you poop, you know?
2. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
3. MCMichael Che
  She'll never know that joy. [laughs] You know what I mean? Like, that kind of thing. Like, you-
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Is your gran still alive?
5. MCMichael Che
  No, she's gone. She, she died during COVID.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, yes, I remember this.
7. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  I'm sorry, yes.
9. MCMichael Che
  No, no, it's not your fault.
10. TNTrevor Noah
  No, no, but I remember this.
11. MCMichael Che
  [laughs] It's not your fault.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  No, I'm sorry for forgetting is what I'm saying.
13. MCMichael Che
  Like I passed away. [laughs] Me too. I, I, it's, this, this is how I process things. [laughs] No, but she, you know, she passed away.
14. TNTrevor Noah
  The reason I say I'm sorry as well is be- again, is 'cause I, I flash back to one of my favorite lines, where you said, "I refuse to believe this shit happened because some Chinese nigga ate a bat." [laughs] And I remember, I couldn't believe... I was so sad listening to the rest of the story, and you said that line. And I remember going, "I don't know what's happening right now in my body."
15. MCMichael Che
  [laughs]
16. EUEugene
  [laughs]
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Yo, you were like, "I refuse."
18. MCMichael Che
  The worst food poisoning ever. We gotta
19. TNTrevor Noah
  ... you were like, "It must be..."
20. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  You're like, "I don't believe you." Like, "I don't care about conspiracy theories. I'm not getting involved in politics."
22. MCMichael Che
  No.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  "But I'm just letting you guys know, I refuse to believe that this, my world has collapsed-
24. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm
25. TNTrevor Noah
  ... because some nigga ate a bat."
26. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  [laughs]
28. MCMichael Che
  That's just a hard, that's a hard sell in my-
29. TNTrevor Noah
  But do you, do you-
30. MCMichael Che
  ... in my household
1:42:28 – 1:52:34
Money, Fame, and Taking Over a White Man's Spot
1. MCMichael Che
  And, and our stake in the community, our standing in the community is kind of more important than anything.
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Mm-hmm.
3. MCMichael Che
  But I do think where money comes in is w- I, I think it costs a lot of money to feel free for Black people in this country.
4. TNTrevor Noah
  Hmm.
5. MCMichael Che
  For me in particular.
6. TNTrevor Noah
  Every way, I think.
7. MCMichael Che
  Yeah. I, I can only speak for myself-
8. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
9. MCMichael Che
  ... though. Like, I, like, I, I realize, like, I'm like, w- a lot of money, like, I probably, hopefully won't spend the, my, the money that I've made in my lifetime. 'Cause I don't even want the stuff. You know what I mean?
10. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah, yeah.
11. MCMichael Che
  I don't even really want... Like, how many cars do you want? How m- what- how big of a house do you need? Like, it don't really cost a lot of money to be me. I wear a lot of hoodies and sneakers from the '90s, you know what I'm saying? Like, this shit ain't that expensive. And I do think, though, there's an amount of money where I feel like they won't treat me like they did.
12. TNTrevor Noah
  Damn.
13. MCMichael Che
  You know what I mean? And, or I can go wherever I want, dressed how I want, and, and they'll say, "Oh, that's Michael Ch- you can't get in here." W- "Oh, no, I know you. Yeah, come in, come on in."
14. TNTrevor Noah
  Oh, yeah.
15. MCMichael Che
  Like, the freedom of just being able to live wherever I want or to, to eat wherever I want or to wear what I want or to n- not need permission, that's, like, what I need money for.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  Can I, can I challenge you?
17. SPSpeaker
  You know, it's crazy though, like you said-
18. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
19. TNTrevor Noah
  On one part of it?
20. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  Not, not to dismiss it.
22. MCMichael Che
  No, please.
23. TNTrevor Noah
  I think you're making a mistake of conflating the money with the familiarity of fame. I would argue that you would have exactly all of these same things-
24. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm
25. TNTrevor Noah
  ... with fame, 'cause what fame does is frame, fame bridges the gap of ignorance.
26. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  What fame does is it allows somebody to see you apart from the collective, as you said in the beginning of our conversation, the numbers.
28. MCMichael Che
  Mm-hmm.
29. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  So now with fame, you're not one of those Black kids on the corner. You're not some sketchy guy with a hoodie. You're not... It's like, yeah, there was this guy. Oh, my God, it's Michael Che.
1:52:34 – 2:06:35
Stand-Up, the Cellar, and Dave Chappelle
1. TNTrevor Noah
  You're like, "Man, you're replacing John."
2. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, I always.
3. TNTrevor Noah
  And I was like, "No, but you doing it s-"
4. MCMichael Che
  I still stand by it. I remember one time I was like, I, I, like, confessed how jealous I was of how much time you get on a subject to kinda dive in and do that.
5. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
6. MCMichael Che
  And you was like, "I fucking love that you just get to do a joke and move the fuck on."
7. TNTrevor Noah
  Just move on.
8. MCMichael Che
  Like, literally, like, you get to kind of-
9. TNTrevor Noah
  Just move on
10. MCMichael Che
  ... do that. That would be so much more fun.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
12. MCMichael Che
  It's just, it's like a weird thing. Again, you're just, like, looking at, you know, on the other side of the fence. You're like, "Wow, that, that looks like the move." And-
13. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
14. MCMichael Che
  ... you know, you never know.
15. TNTrevor Noah
  But that, but that thing, you don't understand how you being there helped me be there.
16. MCMichael Che
  And vice versa.
17. TNTrevor Noah
  Like, like-
18. MCMichael Che
  And vice versa
19. TNTrevor Noah
  ... genuinely, genuinely, genuinely. On a Saturday, I'm not working. I'll get to sit and watch Michael Che, and I'll be like, just like in my own little world. It would be me and Kibuka.
20. MCMichael Che
  Mm.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  And we just, like, we were religiously on Weekend Update, and we'd watch that with you, and we were just like, "Damn."
22. MCMichael Che
  But that's the-
23. TNTrevor Noah
  "All right, Michael's doing it"
24. MCMichael Che
  ... that's the dope part too, is, like, if we're both doing it, then you don't have to do all things, and I don't have to do all things. Like, so the more of us doing it-
25. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah
26. MCMichael Che
  ... being in our niche and our corners, we don't have to do everything.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  Yeah.
28. MCMichael Che
  You know what I mean?
29. TNTrevor Noah
  You don't have to do all things as well.
30. MCMichael Che
  Yeah, so it's like-
2:06:35 – 2:17:52
Comedy Writing and International Audiences
1. MCMichael Che
  you know?
2. TNTrevor Noah
  Okay. I'm on the road, or I'm working so much in stand-up that I don't need that as a-
3. MCMichael Che
  So then what do you start with?
4. TNTrevor Noah
  What do you mean?
5. MCMichael Che
  Like, when you're on, like, okay, I'm gonna work on it now. I'm working on it. I, I got some dates. What are you starting with? What's that first hour comprised of?
6. TNTrevor Noah
  So I always have multiple hours running concurrently in my head.
7. MCMichael Che
  Mm.
8. TNTrevor Noah
  That's what I always, always, always have. And then I think Eugene and I are similar, in that, like, if we haven't been on stage for a while, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, we'll maybe, like, go to something we just, like, know.
9. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
10. SPSpeaker
  Mm-hmm.
11. TNTrevor Noah
  But then very quickly, it's back to generation mode.
12. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
13. TNTrevor Noah
  So it's like, okay, now it's all the stuff we don't know.
14. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
15. SPSpeaker
  Mm.
16. TNTrevor Noah
  So what I'm trying to do is I get on stage, and I go, "Do I feel funny? Do I..." If I don't- Do the things where you know they're funny and you, you, like-
17. EUEugene
  Jumpstart yourself
18. TNTrevor Noah
  ... respect the audience. Yeah, jumpstart yourself.
19. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
20. EUEugene
  Mm-hmm.
21. TNTrevor Noah
  And then when I'm in that mode now, it's like ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, brr, it's like, okay-
22. MCMichael Che
  Yeah
23. TNTrevor Noah
  ... okay, I'm going now. Now I'll-
24. MCMichael Che
  Now you can play
25. TNTrevor Noah
  ... I'll, I'll do everything.
26. MCMichael Che
  Yeah.
27. TNTrevor Noah
  But I, I have, I've always had concurrent hours in my head, and then what happened is COVID created such a backlog that I still haven't caught up.
28. MCMichael Che
  Wow.
29. EUEugene
  Mm.
30. TNTrevor Noah
  So, so what I do now is there are some ideas that I'm, like, working on or pondering or thinking about where I, I still haven't, like, figured them out, or the time isn't right or the... So I, I, I'll, I'll just be like... And then, and then I think the zeitgeist matches you in a moment and you're like, "Oh, okay, now it's time. I, I can say this and I can put this out."

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