The Problem With Men, with Scott Galloway | What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast

1. 0:00 – 1:10

   Intro

   1. SGScott Galloway0:00

      [upbeat music] I realized that if someone wasn't interested in me, someone didn't wanna hire me, someone didn't wanna invest in my company, I was gonna be just fine. It didn't get in the way. I ran for sophomore, junior, and senior class president. I lost all three times. Based on my track record, I decided to run for student body president, where I went on to, wait for it, lose. But recognizing no is not the worst thing in the world is the key skill. And young men, because of a low entry, low-risk entry into relationships with bots or AI sex dolls or YouPorn, have decided they no longer wanna tolerate no. That is the key.

   2. SPSpeaker0:40

      But I would suggest if you do get the no, don't say you're fine. You can say, "I felt rejected."

   3. SGScott Galloway0:46

      Yeah.

   4. SPSpeaker0:46

      You can say, "I felt like a loser."

   5. SGScott Galloway0:47

      Mm-hmm.

   6. SPSpeaker0:47

      You can say, "I felt like I can't get a woman." You can say all these things, but I think it's important with Antifragility to say, "But I know I will be fine."

   7. SGScott Galloway0:55

      Yeah.

   8. SPSpeaker0:55

      Mm-hmm. I'm still here. There's still gonna be tomorrow.

   9. SGScott Galloway0:58

      I'll get past it.

   10. SPSpeaker0:58

       It's not the end of the world. It's shit, and you're embarrassed and you feel stupid and all these things, but I love what you say, like- Yeah ... you will be fine. [upbeat music]

2. 1:10 – 11:10

   Introduction to Scott Galloway and his background

   1. SPSpeaker1:10

      This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. [upbeat music] Where are you coming in from, by the way?

   2. SGScott Galloway1:23

      Oh, I'm, I have a place, I live in London, but I have a place here.

   3. SPSpeaker1:26

      You live in London?

   4. SGScott Galloway1:27

      I do, yeah.

   5. SPSpeaker1:27

      What part of London?

   6. SGScott Galloway1:28

      Marylebone.

   7. SPSpeaker1:29

      Oh, what made you choose London? I'm from, I grew up there.

   8. SGScott Galloway1:31

      Uh, I'm an, around this stuff, I'm an influencer, not a decision-maker.

   9. SPSpeaker1:34

      [laughs]

   10. SGScott Galloway1:35

       My wife told me we were moving, uh, five years ago.

   11. SPSpeaker1:37

       You sound like a great husband.

   12. SGScott Galloway1:39

       Yeah. Uh, well, I'm on the road a lot, so she says I don't get a vote.

   13. SPSpeaker1:43

       Is your wife British?

   14. SGScott Galloway1:44

       No, she's actually born in Poland, raised in Germany.

   15. SPSpeaker1:46

       Okay.

   16. SGScott Galloway1:47

       And both my parents are initially from the UK, so I was one of the-

   17. SPSpeaker1:49

       Oh, nice. So, so you have the citizenship.

   18. SGScott Galloway1:52

       Uh, I have dual.

   19. SPSpeaker1:53

       Okay.

   20. SGScott Galloway1:53

       Uh, I was almost drafted when the Falkland Islands crisis broke out, which my mom was not anticipating.

   21. SPSpeaker1:58

       Wow.

   22. SGScott Galloway1:59

       Yeah.

   23. SPSpeaker1:59

       So your parents are British, but you were born in America.

   24. SGScott Galloway2:02

       Born in America, yeah.

   25. SPSpeaker2:03

       And did your parent, are your parents still in America?

   26. SGScott Galloway2:06

       Uh, my mom's passed.

   27. SPSpeaker2:07

       Okay.

   28. SGScott Galloway2:07

       My mom passed. My dad is, is in San Diego.

   29. SPSpeaker2:10

       Oh, so they-

   30. SGScott Galloway2:10

       Yeah
3. 11:10 – 23:10

   America's current political landscape and foreign policy challenges

   1. SGScott Galloway11:10

      two points, if you look at the most valuable companies in the world, whether it's Apple or Google, they're built on the backs of middle-class investments vis-a-vis the Defense Department. So GPS, which is what all mobile technology is based on, was initially a technology developed for ICBMs to put them in the pocket of Gorbachev.

   2. SPSpeaker11:26

      Yeah.

   3. SPSpeaker11:27

      Mm-hmm.

   4. SGScott Galloway11:27

      DARPA, which is what the internet is, is built on, was paid by an extraordinary investment meant to create a hubless communications network for so we could communicate with each other after the Russians nuked us. So I would argue that military spending for the most part in the US has been, I would argue, a net positive. Now, that's not to say that it should any way rationalize entry into Southeast Asia or into Iraq. These were disastrous positions. Now, as it relates to, let me go to Ukraine, I think of a manager as someone who's just supposed to allocate capital to a greater return than your peer group.

   5. SPSpeaker11:58

      Yeah.

   6. SGScott Galloway11:58

      That's their job as managers. The job of the president, and he, he's the biggest capital allocator in history. I would argue that the decision to allocate $60 billion a year to Ukraine is one of the best investments that has ever been made in the modern world. In exchange for that $60 billion, to your point, we've kind of defanged the reputation of this supposedly ferocious army-

   7. SPSpeaker12:17

      Mm-hmm

   8. SGScott Galloway12:18

      ... of Russia.

   9. SPSpeaker12:18

      Mm-hmm.

   10. SGScott Galloway12:18

       It was five days and, and Kyiv's fallen, right?

   11. SPSpeaker12:21

       Yeah.

   12. SPSpeaker12:22

       Yeah.

   13. SPSpeaker12:22

       That's what most people-

   14. SGScott Galloway12:22

       That did not happen.

   15. SPSpeaker12:23

       Yeah.

   16. SPSpeaker12:23

       Mm-hmm.

   17. SGScott Galloway12:23

       We've taken out a third of their kinetic power, a third of their tanks, and much of their navy has been taken out. Also, Russia's not a good actor towards us. Their intervention or introduction to our economy is to steal our IP and attack us from a cybersecurity. So them being focused on a failed war, a, a def- a defenestration of their, quote-unquote, "ferociousness" and also sending a signal to the world that when the West binds together, we are a formidable fighting force. And all of this was without a single boot on the ground from America. In addition, that $60 billion a year, somewhere between 70 and 90% of it, has come back to the US to manufacture weapons, mostly in red states.

   18. SPSpeaker13:02

       Hmm.

   19. SGScott Galloway13:02

       So for about 8% of our military budget, we are keeping a bad actor occupied, reducing their military kinetic power, and sending a message to the world that the West is a formidable backer of even a small motivated army. I think this is the best money we have spent in a long time.

   20. SPSpeaker13:20

       Well, d- the thing is, Scott, I think the reason why what Trump is doing, a- it f- from a geopolitical perspective-

   21. SGScott Galloway13:27

       Yep

   22. SPSpeaker13:27

       ... is like a bad decision if you think about the real politic.

   23. SGScott Galloway13:31

       Yep.

   24. SPSpeaker13:31

       But to the regular American who's worried about the price of eggs-

   25. SGScott Galloway13:35

       Yep

   26. SPSpeaker13:36

       ... right, who is just like, "I'm worried about my employment. I'm worried about the schools my kids go to. I'm worried about the housing crisis that's ongoing."

   27. SGScott Galloway13:44

       Yep.

   28. SPSpeaker13:44

       And they hear, "You sent how much to Ukraine?"

   29. SGScott Galloway13:47

       Yep.

   30. SPSpeaker13:48

       So how do we kind of speak to those people and get them to see the other perspective?
4. 23:10 – 29:30

   Intersection of class, race and economic mobility in America

   1. SGScott Galloway23:10

      in common, so I'm not your enemy."

   2. SPSpeaker23:12

      100%.

   3. SGScott Galloway23:14

      We're gonna continue this conversation right after this short break. [upbeat music] So, like, when, when we, when we think about that, like, when we think about politics through that lens-

   4. SPSpeaker23:29

      Yeah

   5. SGScott Galloway23:29

      ... did it fall apart when America said that, you know, companies or money is speech? You know, like Citizens United.

   6. SPSpeaker23:37

      Mm-hmm.

   7. SGScott Galloway23:37

      Is, is that when it fell apart, or was this just, like, a gradual creep? Was this the inevitable conclusion of a place that was built on the idea of just money and the most money wins?

   8. SPSpeaker23:46

      And I, I do wanna say something. It's actually shown that when Black people do acquire some wealth or high income, because of w- the communities we're connected to, a disproportionate amount of that income goes to other family members or friend. So Black rich is actually very different from white rich.

   9. SGScott Galloway24:04

      Oh, yeah, for sure.

   10. SPSpeaker24:04

       If you think about that Black kid at Harvard or Princeton, maybe they are, like, one or two generations away from having someone who wasn't a college graduate.

   11. SGScott Galloway24:13

       Yeah.

   12. SPSpeaker24:13

       So I think we should be careful when we do talk about, like, the Black- Affluent class

   13. SPSpeaker24:17

       No, but I, but I, if I-

   14. SPSpeaker24:18

       Who are apparently getting all these handouts

   15. SPSpeaker24:19

       Right, but appar-

   16. SPSpeaker24:20

       And we're like-

   17. SPSpeaker24:20

       But if I'm hearing what Scott's saying, and, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, it's similar to ... There, there was an author that I, I spoke to once from the UK.

   18. SPSpeaker24:27

       Mm.

   19. SPSpeaker24:28

       And she had this brilliant dissertation where she, she essentially said, "I cannot wait for America to get over its race war to then realize that it's been a class war all along."

   20. SGScott Galloway24:40

       100%.

   21. SPSpeaker24:40

       But in America, specifically in America, you cannot separate the race from the class.

   22. SPSpeaker24:45

       Yeah.

   23. SPSpeaker24:45

       But even when you get past it, let's say tomorrow we wipe away color, then the real game begins. Then you'll be like, "Oh, wait a minute. Now we see what was peeled away." And to your point-

   24. SPSpeaker24:56

       Mm

   25. SPSpeaker24:56

       ... class has become a signifier of race, and race has become a signifier of class.

   26. SPSpeaker24:59

       They're intertwined.

   27. SPSpeaker25:00

       They're intertwined.

   28. SPSpeaker25:00

       They're intertwined.

   29. SPSpeaker25:00

       But even when you dismantle them, you will then realize that they're not actually, they just happen to be intertwined in this moment.

   30. SPSpeaker25:06

       Yeah, 'cause I, I, I mean, I don't think the solve for all of this is Black people, Asian people, whatever group, to become rich.
5. 29:30 – 34:10

   Crisis of masculinity in modern society

   1. SGScott Galloway29:30

      young people and their parents, because if your kid is in the basement playing video games and vaping, you don't give a shit about territorial sovereignty in Ukraine. You don't care about transgender rights. That's a luxury rich, rich Democrats get to have, not us. My kids aren't doing well. And so they voted for chaos and change, and this guy is so coarse, so unconventional, so kind of non-bullshit, quite frankly, that you saw people pivot hard from blue to red.

   2. SPSpeaker29:55

      Okay, and now this is where I bring in the race stuff, right? Black women overwhelmingly voted for Vice President Harris. Whose sons in this country are doing the worst? Who is going from the school to prison pipeline? Who is disproportionately impacted by, um, the l- marijuana being illegal?

   3. SGScott Galloway30:12

      Yep.

   4. SPSpeaker30:12

      Who's disproportionately impacted by the carceral state, whether it's via-

   5. SGScott Galloway30:15

      Yep

   6. SPSpeaker30:15

      ... stop and frisk? It is Black men in this country.

   7. SGScott Galloway30:17

      100%.

   8. SPSpeaker30:18

      So why didn't Black mothers do that? Because we care about our sons, too. I know I care about my son.

   9. SGScott Galloway30:22

      Well, okay, but-

   10. SPSpeaker30:22

       Why didn't they make the same decision?

   11. SGScott Galloway30:24

       But-

   12. SPSpeaker30:24

       And their sons are also-

   13. SGScott Galloway30:25

       But the data you're missing-

   14. SPSpeaker30:26

       If they're not in prison, if they're not in prison, they're downstairs playing video games As well

   15. SGScott Galloway30:30

       But the data you're missing is the following. Black women overwhelmingly voted for Vice President Harris.

   16. SPSpeaker30:35

       Yeah

   17. SGScott Galloway30:35

       But more of them voted for Trump than they did in 2020.

   18. SPSpeaker30:38

       Oh, yeah. I can tell you why that is.

   19. SGScott Galloway30:40

       Why is that?

   20. SPSpeaker30:41

       Some of the immigration sentiment really-

   21. SGScott Galloway30:43

       Right

   22. SPSpeaker30:43

       ... resonated.

   23. SGScott Galloway30:44

       Right.

   24. SPSpeaker30:44

       Really resonated. And Tressie talks about it all the time, the idea of Black jobs. A lot of people laughed at Trump when he said that thing about Black jobs, but for a lot of Black women, they're like, "I know the jobs he's talking about."

   25. SGScott Galloway30:55

       Yeah

   26. SPSpeaker30:55

       "The jobs that my brother used to do, or my uncle did, or my father did." So I think the immigration sentiment also spoke to them. And also VP Harris, they weren't, some Black women weren't fans of hers.

   27. SGScott Galloway31:06

       Yeah

   28. SPSpeaker31:06

       And they didn't feel like they should have to vote for her-

   29. SGScott Galloway31:10

       Yeah

   30. SPSpeaker31:10

       ... based on their identity. But I just, I kind of rub up against the idea that this cohort of white women voted because they're worried about their sons. I think perhaps they wanted to be protected under patriarchy, which is a very rational decision, and I don't-
6. 34:10 – 41:00

   How money has corrupted American values and institutions

   1. SGScott Galloway34:10

      And so the pursuit of the dollar, in my opinion, has crowded out almost all traditional character. When the wealthiest man in the world, and probably the most admired man in the world, is making Nazi salutes, we normalize that shit. Why? Because he's really fucking rich. Look what money has done to us. Look what it's done. If you had a friend who was making Nazi salutes at parent-teachers conferences and was being sued by two women for sole custody of their kids, and you had heard from credible sources that they were addicted to ketamine, wouldn't you move in and say, "Hey, boss, something's wrong here"? But not if you're rich, not if you can put a rocket into space or make a shit ton of money with EVs. Money has perverted us. It has crowded out all sense of character, of decency, of what it means to be a real man. We have decided that you can get away with anything as long as you're rich. It's been a total, in my opinion, a lack of a moral failing. We used to admire cops. We used to admire people who were, were, had fidelity to their religion. We used to admire people who defended our country. We used to admire... The sexiest man I remember thinking that I looked up to was my principal.

   2. SPSpeaker35:19

      [laughs]

   3. SGScott Galloway35:21

      He, he drove a 240Z. He smelled like Aqua Velva. He wore these cool coats with an elbow patch. He can't get laid now. Do you think a vice principal has any game in any city?

   4. SPSpeaker35:32

      I mean, vice principal is a good job.

   5. SGScott Galloway35:33

      [laughs]

   6. SPSpeaker35:33

      I think some of my friends would date one. I tell you.

   7. SGScott Galloway35:36

      Fair enough.

   8. SPSpeaker35:36

      It's so funny how so many of the things you're speaking about tie into all the conversations we've been having-

   9. SPSpeaker35:42

      Yeah

   10. SPSpeaker35:42

       ... on this season of the podcast. So you talk about the, the dismantling of a community.

   11. SPSpeaker35:47

       Mm-hmm.

   12. SPSpeaker35:47

       We talked to Robert Putnam and how you can directly correlate communities falling apart with distrust in a government and people now voting against their best interests. You, you talk about young men feeling isolated. We talked on the show about, you know-

   13. SPSpeaker36:03

       Yeah

   14. SPSpeaker36:03

       ... mass shooters and, like, the psychology behind it-

   15. SPSpeaker36:06

       Yeah

   16. SPSpeaker36:06

       ... and, like, where these men are.

   17. SGScott Galloway36:07

       Mm-hmm.

   18. SPSpeaker36:07

       You, Christiana, funny enough, you were the one who talked most about, like, the women voting for their sons. You kept on saying-

   19. SPSpeaker36:11

       Yeah

   20. SPSpeaker36:11

       ... in the lead-up to the election, you were like-

   21. SGScott Galloway36:12

       You have kids?

   22. SPSpeaker36:13

       I have three kids.

   23. SGScott Galloway36:14

       You have three kids. How old are they?

   24. SPSpeaker36:15

       I have a five-year-old, I have a 19-month-old, and I have an eight-week-old.

   25. SGScott Galloway36:18

       Oh, you're in the-

   26. SPSpeaker36:19

       Yeah

   27. SGScott Galloway36:19

       ... you're in the middle. You're-

   28. SPSpeaker36:20

       I'm in the trenches.

   29. SPSpeaker36:20

       Yeah. [laughs]

   30. SGScott Galloway36:21

       You're-
7. 41:00 – 47:05

   Impact of technology addiction on young people

   1. SGScott Galloway41:00

      money and politics and some of the corruption. I believe we should go to a Singaporean model. I think every one of our representatives and senators should make one and three million dollars respectively, and there's absolutely zero tolerance for any special interest group, any speaking fees, can't go to work for a lobbyist. Pay them a shit ton of money- This is after you leave office, you can't go to lobbyists. Five years. Okay. Singapore model. Okay. They pay them a lot of money, but they say zero tolerance for corruption. You cannot, you cannot take campaign contributions from a military industrial complex.

   2. SPSpeaker41:28

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SGScott Galloway41:28

      Mm-hmm. You cannot take speaking fees. Mm-hmm. You cannot go to work for Merck or Pfizer the day after you leave office. Mm-hmm. And they pay them a lot of money because the incentives right now are, if you're a senator and you're making, what, $230,000 a year, you may not even be able to afford your home in Los Angeles and D.C. So the incentive's to do what everyone else is doing and find different ways to take money. The thing that's most disappointing about Washington as I have come into some level of economic security, is not that they're whores. I knew that. It's what cheap whores they are. How cheap are they?

   4. SPSpeaker41:58

      [laughs] Well, look at the Menendez story. My mind, can I tell you, even, like, I say this as a South African.

   5. SGScott Galloway42:04

      Yeah.

   6. SPSpeaker42:04

      With my South African friends, we would talk about this. We were shocked when we found out that Senator M- Menendez did the thing that he did for, like, a Mercedes-Benz C-Class.

   7. SGScott Galloway42:15

      Not a lot of money. Yeah. [laughs]

   8. SPSpeaker42:16

      No, no, a C-Class. Not an S Class.

   9. SGScott Galloway42:17

      Not a, not an S.

   10. SPSpeaker42:17

       Not a Maybach.

   11. SGScott Galloway42:18

       [laughs]

   12. SPSpeaker42:20

       I'm shocked at how many times America's corruption, or even, like, lobbying and whatever comes up, and I can't believe how cheap the price is to buy America's soul from these people.

   13. SGScott Galloway42:31

       It's the best ROI in the world. Give a million dollars to the Trump campaign. Pay, pay 40 million for Melania Trump's shitty documentary.

   14. SPSpeaker42:39

       [laughs]

   15. SGScott Galloway42:40

       [laughs] Fine. Fine, right? The fastest growing expense line across big tech isn't R&D, it isn't AI, it's lobbying. If you were to give $25,000 to each of the 100 senators, two and a half million bucks, real money, I bet every time you go to Washington, one- Of 70 of the 100 would meet with you in person

   16. SPSpeaker42:58

       Damn

   17. SGScott Galloway42:58

       And influence is a function of proximity. And it's not them, it's the system they're in. The person who raises the most money gets reelected.

   18. SPSpeaker43:05

       Mm-hmm.

   19. SGScott Galloway43:06

       So we've created an incentive system where they're basically paid to be pay for play. For God sakes, pay them a lot of money. They're important, they work hard, they're mostly good people, but zero tolerance for corruption.

   20. SPSpeaker43:19

       Yeah.

   21. SGScott Galloway43:19

       Anyways, I, I, I think that there's just no getting around it. Money has washed over Washington. It's been weaponized by money, and we have an incentive system that is the following: more rights, more democracy as you get richer. And the reason the bottom 99 put up with it is that America's superpower is our optimism. Most kids believe and are taught-

   22. SPSpeaker43:42

       Mm

   23. SGScott Galloway43:42

       ... you're gonna be in the top 1%.

   24. SPSpeaker43:43

       Yeah.

   25. SGScott Galloway43:44

       I can prove to every one of us that 99% of our children will not be in the top 1%. And so we put up with a level of income inequality and rights accruing to the 1% because, God love us, most of us believe, "My lottery ticket, I know the lottery's dumb, but my baby, my ticket's a winner. My kid is in that 1%." And the whole idea of America is the majority of our laws, the majority of our economic programs are supposed to help the bottom 50.

   26. SPSpeaker44:11

       Mm-hmm.

   27. SGScott Galloway44:11

       And we've creeped into the situation where it's really all about the top 1. And then the bottom 99 get 210 notifications a day that they're not in the top 1. I mean, just think of what we're doing to the self-esteem of young people who are not making as much money. Rent's gone up, education's gone up. When I applied to UCLA, the admissions rate was 76%. This year, s- this year it's 9%. But if you don't get in, you get Instagrams from your friends all day showing the amazing parties they're experiencing at UCLA. Not only denying opportunity to young people, we're throwing in their face all of this wealth porn all day, and what do you know? We have the most anxious, obese, and depressed generation in history. 50% of people my age feel good about America. One in 10 Gen Z and Millennials feel good about America. Something comes off the tracks with one of your kids, the whole world shrinks to that kid.

   28. SPSpeaker44:59

       Mm-hmm.

   29. SGScott Galloway44:59

       And I'm, again, going to solutions here.

   30. SPSpeaker45:01

       Have you, have you experienced that with your own kids?
8. 47:05 – 53:10

   Crisis of loneliness and dating among young people

   1. SGScott Galloway47:05

      brunch and safe bars, more power to you.

   2. SPSpeaker47:07

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SGScott Galloway47:07

      But every young person should have the option to find purpose in their life through family, and they may decide not to do it. You don't have to have kids to be happy. But for God sakes, if the most prosperous nation in the world can't offer people the prospect of meeting, falling in love, mating, and having a reasonable standard of living, then none of this is working.

   4. SPSpeaker47:27

      I mean, I love it. I'm a Nigerian woman. I love weddings.

   5. SPSpeaker47:30

      [laughs]

   6. SPSpeaker47:31

      I love, I love the idea of a society making people get married. I've been trying to get this guy to get married for years.

   7. SPSpeaker47:37

      No, no, no, you have. You have.

   8. SPSpeaker47:38

      [laughs]

   9. SPSpeaker47:40

      Don't go anywhere, 'cause we got more What Now? after this. [upbeat music] You know, one of the, one of the first videos I saw of yours, a friend sent it to me, and you were talking specifically about mates and mating and relationships and people. And you said something about... And I think you captured a deep feeling that not many people were speaking about. And funny enough, Christiana talks about it a lot. I think that's why she's such a fan of yours as well, is the idea of the purposelessness that can come with not having love or not having some sort of thrust in your life. And I saw this video of yours, and I remember thinking, "Man." 'Cause someone was like, "What do you think? This is crazy or not?" And I was like, "Uh," said, "I think this is brilliant." And also, it's so easy to prove in the most extreme circumstances. Go to any terror cell in the world. Like, I'm talking, like, ISIS.

   10. SGScott Galloway48:34

       Mm-hmm.

   11. SPSpeaker48:35

       What are they promising them as well? Wives.

   12. SPSpeaker48:37

       Women.

   13. SPSpeaker48:37

       And girlfriends, yeah.

   14. SGScott Galloway48:38

       Yeah.

   15. SPSpeaker48:38

       It's crazy that even on that level-

   16. SPSpeaker48:40

       In the afterlife, in paradise. You know what I mean?

   17. SPSpeaker48:41

       But I'm saying even, even before the afterlife.

   18. SPSpeaker48:43

       Yeah. [laughs]

   19. SPSpeaker48:43

       They're saying, "We're gonna go there and we're gonna take women."

   20. SGScott Galloway48:46

       Yeah.

   21. SPSpeaker48:46

       "We're gonna get wives."

   22. SPSpeaker48:47

       Oh, yeah.

   23. SPSpeaker48:47

       "We're gonna get..." In some parts of the world where life is a little simpler, unfortunately, because it's harsher-

   24. SGScott Galloway48:52

       Mm. Mm-hmm

   25. SPSpeaker48:52

       ... you see that reality slap people in the face.

   26. SPSpeaker48:55

       Mm.

   27. SPSpeaker48:55

       "My life is not going well. I'm joining ISIS." Because ISIS didn't just tell me, "We're gonna fight." They said, "We're gonna fight to- Get a wife and a better life

   28. SPSpeaker49:04

       Also, also a key, ISIS pay. ISIS-

   29. SPSpeaker49:07

       Well, they pay some people

   30. SPSpeaker49:08

       But the reason they got more at point, they got more recruits, recruits than Al-Qaeda is because they paid you a bit more, I think it-
9. 53:10 – 1:01:05

   Addressing the crisis facing young men in society

   1. SGScott Galloway53:10

      our country cannot continue to flourish if young men are floundering.

   2. SPSpeaker53:14

      But Scott, don't you think it's, points to the fact that a lot of men don't care about men? Because I think about-

   3. SGScott Galloway53:19

      100%

   4. SPSpeaker53:19

      ... the women in my life-

   5. SGScott Galloway53:21

      100%

   6. SPSpeaker53:21

      ... not just mothers, sisters, friends. We spend a lot of time worrying about the men and boys in our life.

   7. SGScott Galloway53:28

      100%.

   8. SPSpeaker53:28

      Whether it's, give the example of a single mother-

   9. SGScott Galloway53:32

      Yep

   10. SPSpeaker53:32

       ... is just with her son.

   11. SGScott Galloway53:34

       Yep.

   12. SPSpeaker53:34

       Now, if a mother is absent from a friend's life-

   13. SGScott Galloway53:38

       Yep

   14. SPSpeaker53:38

       ... other women will step in and fill that woman's role.

   15. SGScott Galloway53:41

       Yep.

   16. SPSpeaker53:42

       Why aren't men saying, "Well, there's a single mother down the street," or, "I have a-

   17. SGScott Galloway53:45

       Great point

   18. SPSpeaker53:46

       ... family member that's single." Why aren't men stepping in? Why don't men care about men and boys?

   19. SGScott Galloway53:49

       It's a great point. If you were to reverse engineer when a boy comes off the tracks and becomes an unproductive man, it's, the single point of failure is when he loses a male role model.

   20. SPSpeaker53:59

       Mm.

   21. SGScott Galloway54:00

       We have the second-most single-parent homes in the world behind Sweden, and unfortunately, there's a taboo. If you were to get involved in a 15-year-old's life, if you were to l- look around the office and say, single mothers, "Hey, I'm Trevor. I'm going to a game. Do you have a son who'd like to hang out with me?" Because you're immediately suspected, you're, you're immediately... Quite frankly, Michael Jackson and the Catholic Church have fucked it up for all of us, and that is if a man wants to be involved in a boy's life, there's a bit of trepidation. Is there something wrong with him? Is he up to something really mendacious or awful? Could he be possibly a pedophile? And this is such a tragedy because there are so many men with fraternal and paternal love to give that maybe don't have kids of their own-

   22. SPSpeaker54:43

       Yeah

   23. SGScott Galloway54:43

       ... or maybe just are concerned or see the problem, who are willing to weigh in, and they're kind of told by society not to. And also, quite frankly, men are not stepping up. There are three times as many women applying to be Big Sisters in the New York Big Sisters program as there are men applying to be Big Brothers. In sum, if we want better men, we have to be better men.

   24. SPSpeaker55:03

       Yeah.

   25. SGScott Galloway55:03

       And you're exactly right. Men need to, there needs to be a zeitgeist in our society, family court, neighbors. The moment- A boy no longer has a male role model in his life, other men need to step into the void. My mom was really good at this. She made sure, I'm still in contact with a couple of her ex-boyfriends.

   26. SPSpeaker55:20

       Mm.

   27. SGScott Galloway55:20

       There was a neighbor across the hall who used to come over with his girlfriend and take me horseback riding.

   28. SPSpeaker55:25

       Yeah.

   29. SPSpeaker55:25

       Mm.

   30. SGScott Galloway55:25

       I had men in my life, and sometimes there are millions of young men right now, boys, the first male role model they have is a prison guard because men aren't stepping up. And I think of, I'm writing a book on masculinity, I think of s- concentric circles of masculinity. You take care of yourself, you're strong, you're economically viable, you're kind, you're a, you're a, you're a fucking monster. You have this unbelievable thing called superior bone structure, risk aggressiveness, uh, this amazing substance called testosterone. You protect others, you take care of yourself. Second circle out, you protect your family. You're a good provider. Next circle out, you take care of your community and your neighbors, and you help other people. The ultimate expression of masculinity, in my view, is to take an irrational interest in the wellbeing of a child that's not yours, and not enough men are doing this.
10. 1:01:05 – 1:12:00

    Importance of male friendship and community building

    1. SPSpeaker1:01:05

       The man has to pay for the child to be with the mother.

    2. SPSpeaker1:01:08

       Mm.

    3. SPSpeaker1:01:08

       And that money is calculated strangely in some pla- some places. Some people say it's very fair, some people say it's unfair.

    4. SPSpeaker1:01:13

       Yeah.

    5. SPSpeaker1:01:13

       But it's strangely calculated. And now to what Scott was just saying, we live in a world where people already cannot afford the one house that they were promised, you know, in the American Dream. 40 years ago, people could buy that house-

    6. SPSpeaker1:01:26

       Mm-hmm

    7. SPSpeaker1:01:26

       ... even on a meager salary. You know, you, uh, someone was putting out the numbers recently, and they showed that, like, 40 years ago in somewhere like Philadelphia, you could buy a house, you could put down the down payment for a house with, like, a month's salary.

    8. SPSpeaker1:01:37

       Mm-hmm.

    9. SPSpeaker1:01:37

       There's no way you can do that now-

    10. SPSpeaker1:01:38

        Yeah

    11. SPSpeaker1:01:38

        ... in that same Philadelphia, even because houses have gone up way, way, way faster than salaries-

    12. SPSpeaker1:01:44

        Yeah

    13. SPSpeaker1:01:44

        ... have gone up, right? So-

    14. SPSpeaker1:01:44

        Yeah

    15. SPSpeaker1:01:45

        ... so from that perspective alone, I think it is important to look at a place like Sweden. I remember going to Sweden and talking to, it was like basically they had, like, Dr. Fauci-

    16. SPSpeaker1:01:54

        Mm

    17. SPSpeaker1:01:54

        ... and I was asking him about, like, why Sweden has so many one-parent household, households, but so, so few of the problems. And he said, "Yes, but you're forgetting one thing, and that is, here in Sweden, first of all, you are not a pariah if you are single, right?

    18. SPSpeaker1:02:09

        Mm-hmm.

    19. SPSpeaker1:02:09

        That's the first thing. And secondly, you're protected by the state." It makes a big difference when your relationship with the other person is not determined by your money. Just think some of this-

    20. SPSpeaker1:02:21

        So I think we're making a lot of excuses for men because mothers can't do the same thing.

    21. SPSpeaker1:02:23

        No, but, no, but I'm saying why, I'm not saying it's an excuse.

    22. SPSpeaker1:02:26

        Mm.

    23. SPSpeaker1:02:26

        You see, there's a difference between an excuse and an answer. I think an excuse is saying, "You've done it, but there was nothing we could have done, and you're not wrong." I'm not saying you're wrong or right.

    24. SPSpeaker1:02:34

        Yeah.

    25. SPSpeaker1:02:34

        I'm just saying, like, what is the answer for this thing?

    26. SPSpeaker1:02:36

        Okay.

    27. SPSpeaker1:02:36

        And I think sometimes when we look at the socioeconomic impacts of how, um, in America specifically-

    28. SPSpeaker1:02:44

        Mm

    29. SPSpeaker1:02:44

        ... how it sets it up. When you are a dad that leaves the house, for many men, it is difficult to continue being the dad the way you wanna be.

    30. SPSpeaker1:02:51

        Yeah.
11. 1:12:00 – 1:20:05

    Three-step solution for personal growth

    1. SGScott Galloway1:12:00

       the slack at home.

    2. SPSpeaker1:12:01

       Right. So what can you do?

    3. SGScott Galloway1:12:01

       The women are saying, "You're out."

    4. SPSpeaker1:12:03

       Yeah.

    5. SGScott Galloway1:12:03

       So for a lot of reasons, I think we have to figure out a way to have honest conversations with men around, okay, this is what women are attracted to, signaling resources. That's the hard truth. You need an economic plan. Two, intellect. Are you interesting? Are you funny? Do you, do you have interest in current events? And then the third thing, the secret weapon for men in mating that we don't talk a lot about, is kindness. Women actually want someone who's gonna be kind because it means you're more likely to be good to her parents and good to your kids. Where do young people find mates in America right now?

    6. SPSpeaker1:12:36

       So when I think about every aspect of this problem, I think about where some of that potential is being leached out. I love video games with all my heart. What I hate now is video games have been made perpetual. So when you start, when I started playing video games, they ended. It was great. You played a game, and it ended. Game over. You know what I mean? You finished Mario Brothers, and that was it. And games evolved, and you played, yeah, whatever it was. You know, Duke Nukem, you name, you name it. You, you could finish the, games don't finish now. And so, like in a weird way, the first thing I think of is what you're saying is, you cannot meet these people and you cannot g- go on to do these things if you're perpetually stuck in a game that's been designed, by the way, it's been designed to keep you there-

    7. SGScott Galloway1:13:21

       Keep you on

    8. SPSpeaker1:13:21

       Mm

    9. SPSpeaker1:13:21

       ... to keep you spinning, to keep you going. You, you also aren't going to think of being kind or funny when you're not around other people.

    10. SPSpeaker1:13:29

        Yeah.

    11. SPSpeaker1:13:29

        We, we've shown time and time again Being with people makes you like those people.

    12. SGScott Galloway1:13:33

        Mm-hmm.

    13. SPSpeaker1:13:34

        As in, like, it makes you be more like them. But if we don't have third spaces where people c- can go without money, for instance, how do we get that?

    14. SGScott Galloway1:13:42

        Mm.

    15. SPSpeaker1:13:42

        Like, where, where are you going? I even ask people this all the time in New York and Manhattan, anywhere I go, "Where can you go without money, honestly?" Yes, you can go to a park, but beyond that, like in the, in the doldrums of winter in New York, where can you go?

    16. SGScott Galloway1:13:53

        Oh, yeah.

    17. SPSpeaker1:13:53

        Yeah.

    18. SPSpeaker1:13:53

        Where can you go?

    19. SGScott Galloway1:13:54

        You're from London.

    20. SPSpeaker1:13:55

        Yeah.

    21. SGScott Galloway1:13:55

        40% of nightclubs in London have closed down since COVID.

    22. SPSpeaker1:13:58

        I know, I know.

    23. SGScott Galloway1:13:59

        Young people don't have money.

    24. SPSpeaker1:14:01

        Yeah.

    25. SGScott Galloway1:14:01

        And they're also drinking less. But w- you were talking about kind of, I, I think our economy has moved from an attention economy to unfortunately an addiction economy, and I think it's especially hard on young men who are more prone to addiction, 'cause they're more risk aggressive. I think basically our economy now, the kind of axis of evil, is get people addicted to shitty food, to gambling, to porn, and then hand them over to the addiction industrial complex. The most valuable company in Europe now is a GLP-1 producer.

    26. SPSpeaker1:14:26

        Right.

    27. SPSpeaker1:14:26

        Mm-hmm.

    28. SGScott Galloway1:14:27

        And then if you think about young men, they're much more prone to addiction and especially gambling addictions. Six in seven gambling addicts are boys. 50% of college age men bet on the Super Bowl, and the inc- net income of Las Vegas is down 40% this year because everyone now has a casino in their pocket.

    29. SPSpeaker1:14:44

        Yeah.

    30. SGScott Galloway1:14:45

        And the crazy thing about gambling addiction is that the addiction with the highest suicide rate is gambling. Because if you had a meth addiction, we would know it, and someone would weigh in who cared about you. You can get out so inf- far in front of your skis with a gambling addiction and no one knows.
12. 1:20:05 – 1:26:35

    Advice for parents raising boys in modern society

    1. SGScott Galloway1:20:05

       is no, 'cause you're gonna realize, you're gonna realize that the people who are successful, who have romantic partners, who have economic success, had a shit ton of nos to get to that point of success. This is the scariest stat I've read, 51% of 18 to 24-year-old males have never asked a woman out in person. Think about that. They don't have the confidence or the skills to approach a woman and ask her out. That's it. The goal is the no, 'cause you get enough nos, eventually you're gonna get a yes. I can't tell you how much rejection I've endured from women, and the reason I am with a really high character, hot person is because I got comfortable with no.

    2. SPSpeaker1:20:45

       I have a question, Scott.

    3. SPSpeaker1:20:46

       Sure.

    4. SPSpeaker1:20:47

       I love the recommendations you get-

    5. SGScott Galloway1:20:49

       Yeah

    6. SPSpeaker1:20:49

       ... you've given to men. As a parent-

    7. SGScott Galloway1:20:51

       Yeah

    8. SPSpeaker1:20:51

       ... and there's parents at home listening to this, they're ra- raising, like, preteen adolescents.

    9. SGScott Galloway1:20:56

       Mm-hmm.

    10. SPSpeaker1:20:56

        What are the things that they can do to kind of push their sons around along the right track? Is it delaying giving them a smartphone? Is it putting them in clubs?

    11. SPSpeaker1:21:06

        [laughs]

    12. SPSpeaker1:21:06

        Not all boys are athletic. Do you know what I mean?

    13. SGScott Galloway1:21:08

        Yeah.

    14. SPSpeaker1:21:08

        But I think-

    15. SPSpeaker1:21:09

        No, I'm laughing because my mom made me work at home.

    16. SPSpeaker1:21:13

        Oh, so you had, like-

    17. SPSpeaker1:21:14

        No, no

    18. SPSpeaker1:21:14

        ... chores?

    19. SPSpeaker1:21:15

        To, to what you're saying, and I, I just laughed thinking-

    20. SPSpeaker1:21:17

        Yeah

    21. SPSpeaker1:21:17

        ... of it now because of what you asked and what you said. My mom, I think, intuitively sort of figured it out. I couldn't get a job at a Panera.

    22. SPSpeaker1:21:25

        Yeah.

    23. SPSpeaker1:21:25

        South Africa was different in that way. But she made me work at home. So she went, "There are tasks and things-"

    24. SPSpeaker1:21:31

        Mm-hmm

    25. SPSpeaker1:21:31

        ... "that we need done," and, like, you know-

    26. SGScott Galloway1:21:33

        Mm-hmm

    27. SPSpeaker1:21:33

        ... some are physical-

    28. SGScott Galloway1:21:34

        Chores

    29. SPSpeaker1:21:34

        ... some are-

    30. SPSpeaker1:21:35

        Yeah

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