What Now? With Trevor NoahTrevor Noah Reacts to Spain Winning the World Cup | What Now? WORLD CUP Bonus Episode
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Spain Are World Champions
- TNTrevor Noah
This episode is brought to you by Febreze, and we're coming to you from the official Febreze-sponsored boot room, which, if you know anything about soccer, is usually the last place you wanna hang out. [upbeat music] [whistle blows]
- SPSpeaker
This is What Now? With Trevor Noah.
- TNTrevor Noah
104 matches.
- SPSpeaker
[sighs]
- TNTrevor Noah
48 teams. 30-something, 32 maybe, knockout games.
- SPSpeaker
Six weeks. A feast of football. I feel-
- TNTrevor Noah
How do you feel right, how do you feel right now? Are you, are you full?
- SPSpeaker
Oof.
- TNTrevor Noah
Or-
- SPSpeaker
Man
- TNTrevor Noah
... or do you wish this was your new life?
- SPSpeaker
Man, I could always go for seconds when it comes to football. I could always go for seconds.
- TNTrevor Noah
This was insane, man. Fir- first and-
- SPSpeaker
But, my God, are you not entertained?
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, are you not entertained? For sure. First and foremost-
- SPSpeaker
[sighs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... Spain are the world champions again.
- SPSpeaker
Spain are the world champions. Worthy champions. Deserved champions. Uh-
- TNTrevor Noah
And I don't wanna say, I don't wanna say-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... it's because of me.
- SPSpeaker
Mm. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
But I will say, I will say every time I've been at a final-
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm
- TNTrevor Noah
... Spain has won it.
- SPSpeaker
Also, they did win their first big, major championship.
- TNTrevor Noah
South Africa.
- SPSpeaker
No, no, their first major championship, two hun- 2008. That jersey, the one you're wearing right now.
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh, this one.
- SPSpeaker
The Nané jersey, yes.
- 2:00 – 6:20
Rodri's Unbelievable Tournament
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... not that they don't, they didn't know the game. I think because when you're watching the game on TV, you miss out on so much of what's not happening-
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm
- TNTrevor Noah
... on screen.
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
When you're watching the game live, it's easy to say Rodri's man of the match.
- SPSpeaker
He was a colossus. He was a colossus today. He was everywhere. Uh, if you just kept your eye on him, you could see the whole game. You didn't have to watch the whole game to see him. He gave us Sergio Busquets vibes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Potentially.
- SPSpeaker
He was everywhere. He was-
- TNTrevor Noah
But almost like a, like a stronger Busquets.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, a stronger, bigger, taller. He's, he's a, he's quite a unit. But it was like just watching him, how casual he was. I, we talked about this during the stream.
- TNTrevor Noah
You said, you said it's like a grandpa in his slippers.
- SPSpeaker
He was like a grandpa playing in his slippers in his backyard. It wasn't a World Cup final for him. He was immense. The interceptions he made, fully deserved, fully deserved Player of the Tournament. Fully deserved in my, in my opinion.
- TNTrevor Noah
Who, who are you happy for? Baby Goat or the Goat?
- SPSpeaker
I'm happy for Baby Goat because winning it at 19. Winning, the World Cup sometimes, not winning the World Cup can become like some kind of albatross around your neck.
- TNTrevor Noah
You're not wrong.
- SPSpeaker
We saw it with Ronaldo.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, you're not wrong.
- SPSpeaker
The, if you win it now, you get it out of the, out of the way.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Now you can play your international career. You're already a hero.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
So I was really happy for him. Of course, part-
- TNTrevor Noah
All, all Lamine needs to do-
- SPSpeaker
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... win, is win a Champions League now.
- SPSpeaker
Yes. Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
Which is way easier-
- SPSpeaker
Which is way easier
- TNTrevor Noah
... I would argue.
- 6:20 – 8:00
Messi's Emotional Moment
- SPSpeaker
are not gifted enough-
- TNTrevor Noah
To be on the pitch
- SPSpeaker
... to take to the pitch.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah.
- SPSpeaker
And so Messi for the longest time, part of the reason why they accused him of being Catalan is they said, "You don't feel." Remember he never played in the Argentine league-
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh, yeah, yeah
- SPSpeaker
... before he came to Barcelona.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is rare.
- SPSpeaker
So he ... Yeah, so he never had that bond with the fans.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
And so to see him cry as they were singing and, like, uh, they, they were chanting at him-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yo, bro
- SPSpeaker
... and they were serenading him.
- TNTrevor Noah
He just, he just-
- SPSpeaker
That emotion
- TNTrevor Noah
... stood there-
- SPSpeaker
Yes. Crying
- TNTrevor Noah
... crying in front of them.
- SPSpeaker
Crying as they sang. It was beautiful.
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh.
- SPSpeaker
It was beautiful, Trevor. To see s- y- you know, because normally in the world, normally in any story, drama or otherwise, you want to see that redemption arc. And to see them serenading him for 15 minutes straight-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, it was 15 minutes
- SPSpeaker
... as he stood in front of them crying. I went like, "Oh, that's the stuff that legends are made of."
- TNTrevor Noah
You know who's also a legend?
- SPSpeaker
It was beautiful. Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Enzo Fernandez.
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Let me tell you why Enzo Fernandez is a legend, bro. He's a legend because he celebrates his goal. Like, remember he's got-
- SPSpeaker
Yes, yes, he cups his ears. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... that famous celebration. Cups his ears.
- 8:00 – 12:00
Argentina's Performance
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
"And I respect them."
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
"I respect them." I was like, "Yo, bro."
- SPSpeaker
My f- my, my friends are all Black.
- TNTrevor Noah
What a crazy-
- SPSpeaker
And I respect them. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... what a crazy statement that you think will get you out of this, to be like, "No, I, I-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... I have a lot of love for these people."
- SPSpeaker
I employ. Yes. Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
"A lot of them-"
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
"... like, are my housekeepers."
- SPSpeaker
Yes. I pay them minimum wage.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know what I mean?
- SPSpeaker
Yes. [laughs] No, I'll say this.
- TNTrevor Noah
And then, and then he goes and he gets a red card in the World Cup.
- SPSpeaker
Yes. I, I think, I think, I think both red c- both yellow cards were silly. I think the first one, you can't get a yellow card for dissent in a World Cup final, especially against a team as good as Spain, because they-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, but this, can I tell you why?
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Because Argentina was used to not getting cards.
- SPSpeaker
No. No, no, no. No.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm telling you, bro.
- SPSpeaker
No, he genuinely thought he was, he was fouled. He genuinely thought he was fouled.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, but does- it doesn't matter, Joe. What I'm saying is this.
- SPSpeaker
He-
- TNTrevor Noah
This is what happens with teams
- SPSpeaker
... no, but players talk back every time. Players talk back.
- TNTrevor Noah
Nah, man. Let me tell you something.
- 12:00 – 17:50
Why Spain Were Unstoppable
- SPSpeaker
Yes. And, and defense. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... as the left wing and the right wing are in defense.
- SPSpeaker
Yes, yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
But with France-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... the attackers do the attack.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
The defenders do the defend. You know what, an example of ... You know, this is something it's gonna be interesting to see how Zinedine Zidane takes over the French team.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Because you even saw it in the England game. I know it was a third place game.
- SPSpeaker
Mm. Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
And I know people are saying the game doesn't count.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
But I think it started counting towards the end.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, yeah. It did. It did.
- TNTrevor Noah
And if you look at that game, look at, look at the moments where England was coming forward. What is one of the main things they had?
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
They had one of their defenders-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... leading the attack.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Jed Spence.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Right?
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
But what is the thing that France never had? A defender leading their attack
- SPSpeaker
You're right. You're right, yes
- TNTrevor Noah
That extra man-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... overlapping-
- 17:50 – 20:00
Sponsor Break
- TNTrevor Noah
after this short break. We're coming to you from a boot room sponsored by Febreze, which if you know anything about soccer, is usually the last place you'd want to hang out, because this is where all the gear lives, the cleats, the jerseys, the socks, the bags, everything that probably never sees a washing machine until it's too late. But right now, it actually smells fresh in here. That's because Febreze Fabric is built for exactly this kind of odor, the stuff trapped in fabrics that you can't just throw in the wash. It doesn't just cover it up. It actually fights the odor. And I have to say, this is one of the more confident sponsorships I've ever seen. Usually, brands want to put their names on the nicest room in the building, the VIP lounge, the luxury suites, the hospitality area. Febreze looked at the boot room and said, "No, no, no- Put us in there. And honestly, I respect that because this room contains decades of bad decisions, wet cleats, forgotten gym bags, socks that should have retired years ago. The kind of smells that don't just enter a room, they sign a long-term lease, and yet somehow it smells fresh. Yeah. Can you smell that, Joe?
- SPSpeaker
Smell what?
- TNTrevor Noah
Exactly.
- SPSpeaker
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
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- SPSpeaker
England, I don't think-
- TNTrevor Noah
Let's talk about England
- SPSpeaker
... English, English fans, please look away. This is going to be very brutal.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- 20:00 – 33:00
England's Biggest Problem
- SPSpeaker
Please look away. Don't-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- SPSpeaker
... just, yeah, you know, trigger warning, look away. I'll say this about England.
- TNTrevor Noah
Six goals against France, Joe.
- SPSpeaker
I'll say this about England. England has one problem, and there's only one way they're going to fix it. England is a small footballing country. England is a football midget, and the sooner they accept that... Remember what they say in Alcoholics Anonymous? Acceptance is the first-
- TNTrevor Noah
Step
- SPSpeaker
... first step.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
England has won one World Cup, 1966. Ever since then, they haven't made a single World Cup final. Argentina has been to six. Germany has been, I think, to six. England thinks they are the same level as Germany and Argentina. They are not. They are at the same level as DR Congo, Malawi, um-
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
... Seneg- Senegal is a bit higher.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
England, England has to look in the mirror, Trevor. England has to take a-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yo, what an outlandish claim
- SPSpeaker
... I'll tell you this. No, no. Okay, okay, you think it's outlandish. England has one World Cup more than Uganda, and England has as many World Cup final appearances as Uganda since 1966.
- TNTrevor Noah
That is a cr- that's a crazy way to win an argument. I would rather s-
- SPSpeaker
Look-
- TNTrevor Noah
I would rather say it this.
- SPSpeaker
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
Here's... Okay, here's, I-
- SPSpeaker
How would you put it? Okay
- TNTrevor Noah
... when you, if you're not a troll-
- SPSpeaker
Okay, I'm not trolling
- TNTrevor Noah
... it, no
- SPSpeaker
... I'm stating facts.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm not saying you're trolling.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm just saying you're a troll.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
So if you're not a troll-
- 33:00 – 39:00
France's Future
- SPSpeaker
He's not gifted enough.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yo, man, it's, it's sparked a lot-
- SPSpeaker
He's not gifted enough.
- TNTrevor Noah
Can I tell you?
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
It has sparked a lot of controversy because, like, from what I've been seeing online, French fans are torn.
- SPSpeaker
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Some are saying, like, Rabiot should be the last one to speak.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Other people are saying, yes, he's calling out something-
- SPSpeaker
Mm-hmm
- TNTrevor Noah
... that was terrible because they're saying even though-
- SPSpeaker
What did he, what did he call out? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm curious.
- TNTrevor Noah
So he said that he had never seen something so disgusting, and people are saying-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... 'cause he didn't, you know, uh, he didn't call people out-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... specifically, but he was... People are saying he was commenting on what Cherki did during the match.
- SPSpeaker
Okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
So, uh, during the first hydration break-
- SPSpeaker
Incredible technician, Cherki
- TNTrevor Noah
... but during the first hydration break-
- SPSpeaker
I love him so much. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... Didier Deschamps comes to him and says basically something to the effect of, r- uh, um-
- SPSpeaker
Move it faster
- TNTrevor Noah
... move the ball along faster.
- SPSpeaker
Mm. Mm. Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's all. Like-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... move it along, and Cherki basically, like, dismisses him and just walks away.
- 39:00 – 42:00
Ronaldo's Legacy
- SPSpeaker
like Kobbie Mainoo.
- TNTrevor Noah
And Ronaldo's gonna be at the next World Cup.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Let's bet on that now.
- SPSpeaker
No, he won't be. I don't think-
- TNTrevor Noah
You don't think Cristiano Ronaldo will be at the next World Cup?
- SPSpeaker
I don't think Jorge- Jorge Jesus loves him. Uh, he coached him at Al-Nassr, but I think Jorge Jesus is also very ruthless. I think he's going to build around a new crop. So-
- TNTrevor Noah
You think so?
- SPSpeaker
Yes. He loves, he loves Ronaldo. They had a good relationship at Al-Nassr, uh, in Saudi Arabia, but I don't think he's... I think he's too smart. I think he's too smart, and I think because now Gonçalo Ramos, remember, has left PSG.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
He's going to be getting playing time, so he's going to be able to claim. Part of the reason why Ronaldo kept playing was Gonçalo Ramos was always on the bench at PSG.
- TNTrevor Noah
So, I mean-
- SPSpeaker
So he couldn't play. Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... look, I hope, because if, if we're honest-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... there's only one player who really lost at this World Cup from this crop of names-
- SPSpeaker
Yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... and it's Ronaldo.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, it is. It is. Um-
- TNTrevor Noah
You know, because, because, um-
- SPSpeaker
He did score a knockout goal, though. That's something to take away.
- TNTrevor Noah
My friend, a knock- a knockout goal-
- SPSpeaker
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... from a penalty that really wasn't a penalty.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Come on, guys.
- SPSpeaker
No, no.
- TNTrevor Noah
Let's be honest.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm, I'm saying if you look at the names-
- 42:00 – 44:00
Team of the Tournament
- SPSpeaker
they would always overperform.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
'Cause Cape Verde came in going like, "If we just make the knockout rounds." England is at the same level as Cape Verde. They should first admit that, then they'll be on a path to redemption.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, man, England was in multiple semifinals. You can't say that.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, they've never made the final. Okay, yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
So for me, team of the tournament, Cape Verde. Uh, player of the tournament?
- SPSpeaker
Player of the tournament, I'll go with, man, you know, people will say I'm biased. I'll go with Messi. They think he's-
- TNTrevor Noah
No, I agree with you
- SPSpeaker
... even 39, guys.
- TNTrevor Noah
Nah, Lionel Messi. Come on, guys.
- SPSpeaker
Guys, Messi is competing with kids.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah. No, cle- clearly-
- SPSpeaker
Who will, who are supposed to replace him.
- TNTrevor Noah
Clearly, clearly, clearly.
- SPSpeaker
No, no, replace is a weird-
- TNTrevor Noah
Player of the tournament.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah. Thank you.
- TNTrevor Noah
Goalkeeper of the tournament?
- SPSpeaker
Uh, Unai Simón, without a doubt. Unai Simón. You know, the way he was playing. You saw him today.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
You were shocked by how high he was playing.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah. He was like a, he was like a vintage sweeper keeper.
- SPSpeaker
And also remember, there were doubts about him coming to the tournament.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
Because people were going like, "Yeah, but David Raya has won the Golden Glove in, uh, England."
- TNTrevor Noah
No, he was fantastic.
- SPSpeaker
"Juan Garcia is great for Barcelona." And the coach, Luis de la Fuente, went like, "I stand by my man." Proved them right.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, he was fantastic.
- SPSpeaker
Proved them right.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Vozinha, though, just because He had to face so many more shots
- 44:00 – 53:58
Who Wins the Next World Cup?
- SPSpeaker
That team was the golden generation, and I never thought Morocco would produce such a team. Morocco came in 2022 with a great team, most of them, Romain Saïss, Romain Saïss, their captain, most of their players, all of them got replaced by younger players. And now the coach who's coaching them, Walid Regragui, who for me actually, with the Cape Verde coach, are the two coaches of the tournament. He used to manage the, last year, he coached their under-21 team to the world championship. Or no, their under-20 team. So he trusts the youth. And remember, he got parachuted into this World Cup three months before.
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- SPSpeaker
So now he's going to have-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- SPSpeaker
... enough years-
- TNTrevor Noah
He's gonna have time to build with them
- SPSpeaker
... four years to work with them. Morocco, you're right. You're right. I concede. I concede, yeah, Morocco's going to be the team to look out for.
- TNTrevor Noah
And, uh-
- SPSpeaker
Yes, I concede on Vozinha, I concede on, um, Morocco, yes
- TNTrevor Noah
... Infantino.
- SPSpeaker
Yes.
- TNTrevor Noah
Do you think he's gonna make it to the next World Cup? When's the next, uh-
- SPSpeaker
Infantino
- TNTrevor Noah
... when's the next election for FIFA?
- SPSpeaker
Infantino is never leaving. Forget about elections. Infantino is more secure than a tin-pot dictator. 'Cause what Infantino does is this. Remember, FIFA doesn't allow-
- TNTrevor Noah
He put on a great World Cup, you gotta admit
- SPSpeaker
... listen, forget the World Cup. FIFA doesn't allow political interference into the running of the national federations.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- SPSpeaker
And they don't do that because they want to stop the corruption of the game. They do that to actually safeguard corruption.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- SPSpeaker
'Cause they know, no, FIFA knows, FIFA knows, 'cause the people who vote for Infantino, who vote for president, are the national federation presidents. So Infantino is like the Godfather, and he goes like, "You're my capos," right? "You're my street capos."
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah.
- SPSpeaker
"I'll protect you so long as you also rub my back when it comes to it." Infantino is never leaving. I can't, I want him to leave so badly. Guys, let's stop living in la la land.
- TNTrevor Noah
If it wasn't him, we don't get more teams.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, but it's not also a benevolent thing. Remember, he expands the World Cup, but he also makes ticket prices go up.
- TNTrevor Noah
I, I, that's the one thing that's gonna change.
- SPSpeaker
So he's pricing fans out of the game.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, but tickets, tickets are gonna go down in the next one.
- SPSpeaker
Uh.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know why?
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