Wil Sylvince: Grappling with Nuance

Trevor Noah 0:00 [upbeat music] If you made a website and you need a testimonial-

Wil Sylvince 0:06 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 0:06 ... I'll come on there.

Wil Sylvince 0:08 Yeah. Depends what you're selling though.

Trevor Noah 0:08 The, the amount of times... Can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Wil, like you are responsible for 50 pounds I do not have on my body.

Wil Sylvince 0:19 That's a lot. That's good.

Trevor Noah 0:20 The amount of times Wil has gone, "Man, you don't need that," when we're on the road. "Man, you don't need that."

Wil Sylvince 0:26 But he'll eat it later.

Eugene 0:28 That's weird, innit?

Trevor Noah 0:29 This may or may not be true.

Wil Sylvince 0:31 [laughs]

Eugene 0:31 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 0:32 No, but I'm serious. You know, you know why? 'Cause you, you, you've, you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people.

Wil Sylvince 0:37 No.

Trevor Noah 0:38 But you get into like a very-

Eugene 0:39 "You don't need that."

Trevor Noah 0:39 You get into like a very inspirational-

Eugene 0:41 It's not a judge.

Trevor Noah 0:41 No. Wil gets very, like-

Eugene 0:42 Oh

Trevor Noah 0:42 ... he gets very motivational. Like Wil will be like... And then he'll be... And then start telling you about, like the, the benefits of Omega-3s and fatty acids in fish, and why you should move to fish, and you need this in your body. And then he'll like squeeze. He'll take like a piece of steak from your plate, then he'll squeeze it, then the fat comes out. Then he's like, he's like, "This fat, this go to your heart, man. This go to your heart." And then he puts it back down [laughs] and then he like, "You gonna eat that?" And you're like, "No, I'm not gonna eat that." [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:06 You know why, you know why he used to do also? I, I was, I was a big fan of-

Trevor Noah 1:08 This cat, bro. [laughs] No, he does. It's a good thing, but it's when Wil gets into, like healthy food mode, it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life [laughs] because he's so evangelical about it.

Eugene 1:21 I can see why I listen to 30% of what my friends say.

Wil Sylvince 1:23 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:24 [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. I feel like you-

Wil Sylvince 1:44 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:45 ... make people uncomfortable with how you dress all the time. No, Wil is like... Why are you even looking at me like that?

Wil Sylvince 1:53 What you mean?

Trevor Noah 1:53 Wil.

Eugene 1:54 Yeah, what you mean?

Trevor Noah 1:55 You are the king of dressing incorrectly for the climate that we're in.

Eugene 2:00 Tell us more.

Trevor Noah 2:01 Yo, when we were in Singapore-

Wil Sylvince 2:03 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 2:03 ... we went out. We went-

Eugene 2:05 [laughs] Why you admitting? Why you... [laughs]

Trevor Noah 2:07 We were out in Singapore.

Eugene 2:08 You are on accused right now, so I'm trying to defend you. We're on trial.

Trevor Noah 2:10 You can't defend this man when he's... He's beyond guilty. He is like the, the-

Eugene 2:14 Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm

Trevor Noah 2:15 ... the, you know, like the archetype.

Wil Sylvince 2:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 2:16 In Singapore, if you've ever been to Singapore, especially in the summer, it is one of the hottest, most humid places you've ever-

Eugene 2:22 Does Singapore have winter?

Trevor Noah 2:23 Y- yeah, but that's what I'm saying. In the summer.

Eugene 2:25 Okay.

Trevor Noah 2:26 Their winter is just a nice... Their winter-

Eugene 2:28 Nice and cool

Trevor Noah 2:28 ... is what a Norwegian-

Eugene 2:29 Afternoon

Trevor Noah 2:29 ... person would consider a, a warm, sunny day.

Eugene 2:32 Mm.

Trevor Noah 2:33 It was summer.

Eugene 2:34 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 2:34 We went out. Humid. Humid, humid, humid. Humid, like full on everyone sweating everywhere. This man next to me came out in layers. It was so bad that people were taking pictures. So people would come to the shows and stuff, so they're like, "Can we get selfies? Can we get pictures?" They took pictures of us. You remember this?

Eugene 2:53 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 2:54 And then all the people said in the comments on the pictures on Instagram and everywhere was, "Yo, why is that guy dressed like that in Singapore? Who is that man and why is he dr-" It didn't matter where the pictures were posted.

Eugene 3:08 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 3:08 People were made uncomfortable by Wil Sylvince's dress.

Wil Sylvince 3:12 I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. I like the heat. I love the heat. A big heat fan, but I don't wear scarves.

Trevor Noah 3:18 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 3:19 Real men don't wear scarves.

Eugene 3:21 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 3:21 And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. This is, this is a true story that happened to me. I w- I wore a scarf one time, I can't remember where, a long, long time ago. I was getting off the train, right? My scarf got caught. You know how they doot doot close the doors. Took my- I almost choked. I had to let the scarf go, and the train took off with my scarf waving. Pe- I know people was laugh- some people was laughing.

Trevor Noah 3:42 It's laughing at you.

Wil Sylvince 3:42 And then I'm like, "Never again."

Eugene 3:44 Yeah. Because there's a few garments that I think should not have been add-ons in any case, right? So a pullover jersey. What do you call it here?

Wil Sylvince 3:53 What's a pullover? What is-

Eugene 3:53 Like, you know a jersey that doesn't have sleeves.

Trevor Noah 3:55 Oh. What is... What... Or-

Eugene 3:57 So it's a, it's a-

Trevor Noah 3:58 Sleeveless

Eugene 3:59 ... but it's a jersey like this. But then you call this a jersey.

Wil Sylvince 4:02 Oh, sweater. Sweater.

Trevor Noah 4:02 Yeah, we call those-

Eugene 4:03 A sweater with no-

Trevor Noah 4:03 We call those jerseys. Sweater

Eugene 4:05 ... a knitted sweater.

Trevor Noah 4:06 A sweater with no sleeves.

Eugene 4:07 With no sleeves.

Trevor Noah 4:07 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 4:07 No.

Eugene 4:08 You know those people who wear those?

Wil Sylvince 4:09 Yeah, yeah. 'Cause they, they, they g- they cold here but warm here.

Eugene 4:13 Yes. Same with-

Wil Sylvince 4:14 [laughs]

Eugene 4:14 Exactly.

Wil Sylvince 4:16 Yes.

Eugene 4:16 Same with scarves. I'm like, if you are worried about this part going up, you should have maybe covered your-

Wil Sylvince 4:21 Oh, they call it-

Eugene 4:22 Yes

Wil Sylvince 4:22 ... they call it, they call it menopause for men 'cause they feeling hot in the arms.

Eugene 4:26 Or, or h- hot in the arms.

Trevor Noah 4:29 [laughs]

Eugene 4:29 And then I'm like, so when people wear polo necks, I mean, and, um, and scarves, I'm like, "Why is this part important, more important than this part and the... And where your... So wear a balaclava and wear the polo neck and tu-

Trevor Noah 4:40 Ski mask

Eugene 4:40 ... a ski mask.

Trevor Noah 4:40 I'll translate for you. Don't worry.

Wil Sylvince 4:41 Oh, I got you, Wil.

Eugene 4:42 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 4:42 I thought it was a person named Cabalclava.

Trevor Noah 4:45 [laughs]

Eugene 4:46 Could have been a dessert. But then I'm like, take a ski mask on, tuck it in, let's show your eyes, go about your business. But the fact that you're gonna cover this part only in a polo neck upsets the fuck out of me.

Wil Sylvince 4:58 Why?

Trevor Noah 4:58 And also-

Eugene 4:59 So I don't understand

Trevor Noah 5:00 ... Eugene-

Eugene 5:00 Why would you do that?

Trevor Noah 5:00 ... Eugene, I will say that you are correct to be upset.

Eugene 5:05 Yeah. Thank you.

Wil Sylvince 5:06 What's the purpose of the scarf?

Eugene 5:08 He's a pilot.

Wil Sylvince 5:08 We just... Please don't, let's not... We're not going back to the scarf.

Trevor Noah 5:11 No, no. Just real quick, someone just give me the purpose. Is it 'cause your neck c- gets, get a lot of cold and, and that's how you get sick?

Wil Sylvince 5:18 Ask the scarf guy.

Trevor Noah 5:19 No.

Wil Sylvince 5:19 I mean, we're back here again-

Trevor Noah 5:20 What-

Wil Sylvince 5:20 ... so we may as well.

Trevor Noah 5:21 Oh, it's 'cause-

Eugene 5:21 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 5:22 I mean, we may as well

Trevor Noah 5:23 ... sorry. Sounds, sounds-

Eugene 5:23 Because it matches your socks

Trevor Noah 5:24 ... I'll say. No.

Wil Sylvince 5:24 We may as well. When I woke up this morning-

Trevor Noah 5:26 That's-

Wil Sylvince 5:26 ... that's all I thought. I hope... W- I'm just, like, talking about scarves-

Eugene 5:29 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 5:29 ... for, like, long. Just I just wanna talk about scarves, man.

Trevor Noah 5:31 Okay. I'll, I'll say it like this.

Eugene 5:32 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 5:33 If you don't live in a climate that is, like a really, obviously we see you're trying to warm yourself-

Eugene 5:39 Yeah

Trevor Noah 5:39 ... you know, like where if, if someone was in Antarctica, then you're like, "I, I get it."

Eugene 5:43 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 5:43 It's freezing. They're wearing a scarf. In normal circumstances, it is a fashion choice.

Eugene 5:49 Ah.

Trevor Noah 5:49 But one of the, one of the downsides to the fashion choice is that after wearing a scarf, you do get a cold neck. So w- since I became a scarf wearer-

Eugene 6:00 Oh

Trevor Noah 6:00 ... I do experience cold neck, and then so now I'm trapped in wearing a scarf. Whereas before I wore scarves-

Dave 6:06 I didn't ever have a cold neck.

Eugene 6:08 So you'd be-

Wil Sylvince 6:08 Can I say something? Your body will t- uh, eventually adjust to, to the cold neck. It's like when you, when you cut your hair off and you're, "All right, I got a half hair, a cold head."

Eugene 6:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 6:17 And then you get used to it. You, you just never wanna get used to cold necks.

Eugene 6:21 To the turtleneck.

Dave 6:22 Again, I do agree. I, I'm agreeing with-

Eugene 6:24 Is that where the, the phrase turtleneck comes from? 'Cause a turtle's neck-

Wil Sylvince 6:28 [laughs]

Eugene 6:29 ... wants to be retracted back inside so it gets cold. So if you are ... If your neck is exposed, you got a turtle neck.

Wil Sylvince 6:34 I had no idea how it got, wow, turtleneck.

Eugene 6:36 We can always check.

Dave 6:38 I, I agree.

Eugene 6:38 Let's check the-

Wil Sylvince 6:38 Where the, where the term turtleneck came from

Dave 6:40 ... No, I, I agree. I agree

Trevor Noah 6:40 I'm assuming a turtleneck comes from the fact that the s- this skin folds over in such a way that reminds people of the, when you're wearing the sweater itself.

Eugene 6:48 Yeah, but there has to be a reason why the turtle-

Wil Sylvince 6:50 Yeah, but what, what, what the turtle got to do with it?

Eugene 6:51 ... would rather have ... Exactly.

Trevor Noah 6:52 What?

Wil Sylvince 6:53 What the animal, the turtle, got to do with it?

Trevor Noah 6:55 Because-

Eugene 6:56 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 6:56 ... when they made the sweater, they were like, "Oh, that looks like a turtle's neck."

Eugene 6:59 No.

Wil Sylvince 6:59 They, they should call it a a- a lion neck.

Trevor Noah 7:01 What?

Wil Sylvince 7:02 'Cause it's got the mane.

Eugene 7:03 It's got the mane. It's covered.

Trevor Noah 7:07 Guys, have you seen a turtleneck sweater?

Wil Sylvince 7:08 Or what's that bird that got the, got the thing-

Trevor Noah 7:10 Have you guys seen a turtleneck sweater?

Eugene 7:12 Which bird is this now?

Wil Sylvince 7:13 What's that bird got the, got the fur around his neck? That bird.

Eugene 7:15 Oh yeah, the one that go ...

Wil Sylvince 7:17 Yeah.

Eugene 7:18 Yeah. And does, yeah, it does like a-

Wil Sylvince 7:19 You talking about-

Eugene 7:19 ... little dance

Wil Sylvince 7:20 ... that's why it's called a sweater

Eugene 7:20 ... an Amazonian. Yeah, it's an Amazonian bird.

Trevor Noah 7:21 Yeah, but we're talking about, we're talking about a turtleneck n- right now. Do you understand what we're talking about?

Wil Sylvince 7:24 Yeah, that's-

Trevor Noah 7:25 We're talking about the sweater-

Wil Sylvince 7:26 Yeah

Trevor Noah 7:26 ... that looks like the neck of a turtle.

Wil Sylvince 7:28 Right, but I'm saying it doesn't look like a turtle.

Trevor Noah 7:28 That's why we say it looks like a turtle.

Eugene 7:29 But it doesn't look like the neck of a turtle.

Wil Sylvince 7:31 I'm saying look like the bird, the bird with the, with the fur around his neck.

Eugene 7:34 Exactly. So what I'm saying is maybe it's called-

Trevor Noah 7:36 You know why I hate people who wear scarves, is because this is what happens.

Wil Sylvince 7:40 So you hate Dave?

Trevor Noah 7:41 No, I don't.

Dave 7:42 No, I'll say this. This is why-

Trevor Noah 7:43 But I'm just saying, like, the scarf made this happen.

Dave 7:45 No, no. So I'm willing to say this.

Wil Sylvince 7:47 [laughs]

Dave 7:47 And, and, and I am sorry to, I am sorry to people. Like-

Eugene 7:52 How sorry are you?

Dave 7:53 Honestly-

Eugene 7:54 Are you so sorry that you'd give up scarves?

Dave 7:57 No. He, you are not sorry then

Wil Sylvince 7:58 So sorry mean, when you say sorry, that means you, it's something that you did that you're not w- you're not gonna do again.

Eugene 8:02 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 8:03 Right?

Eugene 8:04 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 8:04 It's like, if you cheat on your girl and you say, "Hey, baby, I'm sorry".

Eugene 8:07 Then she says, "Are you gonna stop?"

Wil Sylvince 8:08 And then she g- "I'm not gonna stop." Then so why you saying sorry then?

Eugene 8:11 Yeah. Why are you saying sorry?

Dave 8:11 I don't know if that, I don't know if that's the definition of sorry.

Trevor Noah 8:14 So do you see here, Wil?

Wil Sylvince 8:15 On medication, that is the definition of sorry.

Trevor Noah 8:16 Wil.

Eugene 8:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 8:19 You see here? Do you see that that is the neck of a turtle?

Eugene 8:22 It is.

Wil Sylvince 8:22 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 8:22 Do you understand now?

Eugene 8:23 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 8:24 Yeah.

Eugene 8:24 Yeah. No, 100%.

Trevor Noah 8:25 Yeah. Do you understand why it's called a turtleneck?

Eugene 8:27 When it's folded up like-

Wil Sylvince 8:27 Turtleneck

Eugene 8:28 ... yeah, but that's not the neck of a turtle.

Wil Sylvince 8:29 But that, but that's not how we normally see-

Eugene 8:31 No, that's not ... Yeah. That's exactly

Wil Sylvince 8:31 ... that's not how we normally see turtles though.

Eugene 8:33 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 8:33 That's ... You t- you found the one rare picture.

Eugene 8:35 No, that's not the turtle's neck.

Wil Sylvince 8:36 That looks-

Eugene 8:36 That's a turtle's head.

Wil Sylvince 8:37 [laughs] You know what that look like? [laughs]

Eugene 8:40 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 8:40 That look like someone-

Eugene 8:42 Uh-uh

Wil Sylvince 8:42 ... [laughs] in, in Europe. [laughs]

Eugene 8:44 [laughs] Wait. Okay. Then-

Trevor Noah 8:48 H- how you doing, Wil?

Eugene 8:49 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

Trevor Noah 8:49 ... welcome to the show. Hey.

Eugene 8:50 Whoa, don't do that. Wil, don't accept his welcome.

Wil Sylvince 8:52 Welcome to the show, Wil.

Eugene 8:53 Don't accept it. What he must do now, he must go on that fancy phone of his and Google where the name turtleneck for a garment comes from.

Wil Sylvince 9:02 That's what I th- that's what I thought he was doing.

Eugene 9:03 No, he will never do it because he knows one thing for sure.

Wil Sylvince 9:06 So he just, he, he picked the stuff that fits his, his agenda.

Eugene 9:10 Uh. How do you know him so well? [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 9:12 [laughs] Yeah. We're waiting now.

Trevor Noah 9:17 I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this.

Eugene 9:18 Yeah, please do. We're here for it.

Trevor Noah 9:20 I'm gonna do this. Yeah.

Eugene 9:22 Got all the time in the world.

Wil Sylvince 9:24 In the meantime-

Eugene 9:25 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 9:26 ... did you see, did you see Michael?

Trevor Noah 9:27 The term turtleneck-

Eugene 9:28 The movie

Wil Sylvince 9:29 Oh.

Eugene 9:29 Not yet

Trevor Noah 9:29 ... the term turtleneck originated in the United States in the 19th century-

Eugene 9:34 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 9:34 ... to describe a sweater with a high tubular collar that folded over, resembling the way a turtle pulls its head out of its shell.

Eugene 9:43 Nowhere near describing a turtle's neck.

Trevor Noah 9:46 Did I not just say the words turtle and neck?

Eugene 9:49 No.

Wil Sylvince 9:50 Yeah.

Eugene 9:50 Read that last part again.

Trevor Noah 9:51 Are you guys crazy, bruh?

Eugene 9:52 Resembles.

Wil Sylvince 9:52 I mean, he, the-

Eugene 9:52 No, resembles.

Wil Sylvince 9:54 Yeah. 'Cause a turtle-

Trevor Noah 9:54 The way a turtle pulls its head out of its shell.

Wil Sylvince 9:56 'Cause turtles-

Eugene 9:56 Yeah, but there's no neck involved. Pulls its head out of the shell.

Trevor Noah 10:00 H- did you watch, did you watch M- did you watch, uh, Michael?

Wil Sylvince 10:02 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 10:03 And what did you think?

Wil Sylvince 10:04 Amazing. I'm, I'm probably gonna see it seven more times.

Trevor Noah 10:06 You didn't understand it the first time?

Wil Sylvince 10:08 No. [laughs]

Eugene 10:09 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 10:09 It moved me, man.

Trevor Noah 10:10 What, what confused you?

Wil Sylvince 10:11 It was amazing.

Trevor Noah 10:12 What confused you?

Wil Sylvince 10:12 Nothing.

Trevor Noah 10:13 'Cause Wil, 'cause Wil falls asleep in movies.

Wil Sylvince 10:15 I know I-

Trevor Noah 10:15 I wouldn't be shocked if Wil started watching the movie, then he woke up, then he's like, "Why is this, why is this white lady singing? I gotta come back and see what happens."

Eugene 10:21 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 10:22 So let me tell you, Michael Jackson had a thing with his skin, you see, Wil. And so what happened was-

Wil Sylvince 10:26 [laughs]

Eugene 10:27 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 10:28 What do you mean you're gonna go see it seven more times?

Wil Sylvince 10:29 I, wh- when I love a movie, right?

Trevor Noah 10:31 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 10:31 And, and my ... No, no, no disrespect to the white people out there, but when I love ... It is a Black movie-

Trevor Noah 10:36 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 10:36 ... I go and start trying to support it as many times as I can 'cause I enjoy it.

Eugene 10:39 You think that counts?

Wil Sylvince 10:40 I don't know if this count, but I, it make me feel good.

Trevor Noah 10:43 Oh, that's good. That's good enough. Then it counts.

Wil Sylvince 10:44 It make me feel good. And then plus I try to take a different person who was not, who was on the fence of seeing that movie, whether it was Sinners or, um, Get Out.

Trevor Noah 10:51 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 10:52 Um, all these movies. I, I went and go see them, you know, uh, uh, Footloose station I saw like eight times. And then take different people with me, "Hey, listen,

Wil Sylvince 11:00 j- it's on me. Watch the movie."

Trevor Noah 11:01 When you, when you go back and watch a movie that you've watched before, do you act like you know what's gonna happen to the person sitting next to you? Or do you still act surprised?

Wil Sylvince 11:10 No.

Trevor Noah 11:10 Or do you-

Wil Sylvince 11:10 I play dumb with myself. I act like, "What's gonna be, what's gonna happen next?" And then when, when they jump, I jump. "Oh, Joe, I, I ..." You know what I'm saying?

Trevor Noah 11:17 But no, at some point, once you like seven times and you and even the people in the movie are like, "Hey, bruh. Hey, Wil."

Wil Sylvince 11:22 [laughs]

Eugene 11:23 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 11:23 "Hey, yo, Wil."

Wil Sylvince 11:24 No, but you know, y- I, I do this thing with my mind where I, I pretend I didn't see it so I could, I ... It's almost the same reason why we keep chasing, uh, not to get crazy, why crack-

Trevor Noah 11:35 What?

Wil Sylvince 11:35 ... heads keep sh- smoking crack. They chasing that first high.

Trevor Noah 11:37 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 11:38 Or, or, or when you, wh- uh, I'm not sure this works. When you have sex 'cause you keep chasing that first part, that, the first time. Or when you keep chasing ... So I watch a movie and try to chase that first feeling I had.

Trevor Noah 11:49 Has it ever worked?

Wil Sylvince 11:50 Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Trevor Noah 11:51 Which, which movie got better the more you watched it?

Wil Sylvince 11:53 Because you blank, you, you blank yourself out of what happened. You know?

Trevor Noah 11:55 Which movie did you ... Which movie have you watched that got better the more you watched it?

Wil Sylvince 11:59 Uh, J- uh, Django Unchained.

Trevor Noah 12:03 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 12:03 Because Django Unchained actually I was actually upset and mad because they said it was a r- uh, w- for a real story. And then I looked it up and like, oh, there's, it's a fake story.

Trevor Noah 12:13 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 12:13 And then once I got that out my system, I, I went back to rewatch and, and I enjoyed, I'm like, "Oh, it's actually It's just a, a good film. It's a great film

Trevor Noah 12:21 You know, it's crazy that they can do that, right? You know, there's a, there's a difference between based on a true story-

Wil Sylvince 12:26 And a true story

Trevor Noah 12:27 ... and a true story.

Wil Sylvince 12:28 Yeah

Trevor Noah 12:28 And inspired by a true story.

Wil Sylvince 12:30 Yeah

Trevor Noah 12:30 And inspired by real events.

Wil Sylvince 12:32 Or inspired by the book

Trevor Noah 12:33 And-

Dave 12:33 You know that that-

Trevor Noah 12:34 You can, you can just say-

Dave 12:35 I think that's... I w- I, I have the impression that previously, just a short while ago, it used to be based, like, based on a true story, it was a true story. Like, if you watched it, you were, you were moved by it.

Trevor Noah 12:50 It was a retelling

Dave 12:50 It was a retelling of what happened.

Wil Sylvince 12:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 12:52 The only-

Wil Sylvince 12:52 Or like, the, the, what's that movie? Dead Candy? Dead, um, Dead Ca- or H- u- um, Honey, Honey Bun?

Trevor Noah 12:59 You're just saying words now, bro.

Wil Sylvince 13:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 13:00 The, the-

Wil Sylvince 13:01 The-

Dave 13:01 ... movie about the, the, the comedian. He was, he, he was being stalked by this big girl.

Trevor Noah 13:06 Oh. Ah, man. Uh, the, the, the, the-

Dave 13:08 It's a series

Trevor Noah 13:08 ... the deer. The, on, on-

Wil Sylvince 13:09 Honey, Honey Bun. Uh-

Trevor Noah 13:10 No, no. Stop saying the wrong words.

Dave 13:12 It's a series

Trevor Noah 13:12 You're throwing us off. You're not helping.

Wil Sylvince 13:13 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 13:13 I hate it when people do this.

Wil Sylvince 13:14 What is it called?

Trevor Noah 13:15 Um-

Dave 13:15 Isn't this a series?

Trevor Noah 13:16 Uh, y-

Wil Sylvince 13:16 It's a series. A series

Trevor Noah 13:17 ... she says it to him all the time. She calls him, like, a... She has a nickname for him.

Wil Sylvince 13:21 Su- sugar cakes. Sugar cakes?

Trevor Noah 13:21 No, no. It's, it must be a deer.

Wil Sylvince 13:24 Lemon bites?

Trevor Noah 13:24 It must be a deer, I think. I think it's, like, a deer or some-

Dave 13:27 Baby Reindeer

Trevor Noah 13:28 Baby Reindeer.

Wil Sylvince 13:29 Baby Reindeer.

Trevor Noah 13:29 Thank you.

Wil Sylvince 13:29 What the hell?

Dave 13:30 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 13:30 Thank you. Baby Reindeer. This guy says sugar cakes.

Eugene 13:33 Wait, wait. Baby Reindeer is a, is a, is a series?

Trevor Noah 13:36 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 13:36 No, but so what Netflix did wrong, they... When they started, they said true story-

Trevor Noah 13:42 Mm-hmm

Wil Sylvince 13:42 ... instead of based on a true story or inspired by a true story. They just said true story.

Trevor Noah 13:46 Cool

Wil Sylvince 13:46 And that's why the guy, the... Remember that girl came on?

Trevor Noah 13:49 Well, that's why she sued them

Wil Sylvince 13:50 She sued them, and she went on a bunch of interviews-

Trevor Noah 13:52 Yeah, yeah

Wil Sylvince 13:52 ... and stuff.

Eugene 13:53 Wait, the real stalker?

Wil Sylvince 13:53 And because instead of just saying based on a true story-

Trevor Noah 13:55 The alleged-

Eugene 13:56 The alleged stalker

Trevor Noah 13:56 ... stalker. Don't get us involved, bro.

Wil Sylvince 13:57 Yeah, the alleged stalker.

Eugene 13:58 Okay. The alleged stalker came out and said-

Wil Sylvince 14:00 She said-

Eugene 14:00 ... "I didn't do all of this"

Wil Sylvince 14:01 ... "This, this is, this is false. You guys are, you, you tainted my name." And the thing is, if she didn't come out, we didn't know what she looked like. So she, she... Why did she come out?

Eugene 14:09 She outed herself

Wil Sylvince 14:09 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 14:10 The weirdest was that she came out-

Eugene 14:12 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 14:12 ... sounding exactly like the character from the show.

Eugene 14:15 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 14:15 It was like, it was that-

Wil Sylvince 14:16 You know, when... People didn't know what to do with themselves because, like, she came on TV, and then people were like, "So you're saying..." Um, it, I think it was Piers Morgan.

Trevor Noah 14:25 Yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 14:26 And then he was like, "So you're saying that this is about you, but it's, it's not about you." Then she's like, "No, Piers, I don't even know why are they saying it's me. I don't even understand what it is. I could be honest-"

Eugene 14:36 That she looked like this character

Trevor Noah 14:36 Yo, everything. It looked like she was doing an impression of the character. Then, you know, when you... Before you might have gone like, "I don't know if this is you." After watching that thing, you're like, "Oh, no, this is you."

Wil Sylvince 14:46 This is you, bro

Trevor Noah 14:46 This is 100% you.

Eugene 14:47 Remember Rachel Dolezal?

Wil Sylvince 14:49 Yeah.

Eugene 14:49 What happened to her?

Wil Sylvince 14:50 She's, uh, I think she's Chinese now.

Trevor Noah 14:52 [laughs]

Eugene 14:53 Amagawin.

Wil Sylvince 14:56 [laughs]

Dave 14:57 I don't think so.

Trevor Noah 14:58 2PM Will. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 15:01 [laughs]

Eugene 15:02 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 15:02 I think she changed her name. She-

Dave 15:03 I think she has a Only Fans

Trevor Noah 15:05 Rachel Dolezal? Yeah.

Dave 15:06 I think so.

Wil Sylvince 15:07 Yo, can I s-

Trevor Noah 15:07 You can, you can say you follow her. It's fine.

Dave 15:08 No, I don't follow her

Trevor Noah 15:09 We won't judge you

Dave 15:10 I fo- I read the Daily Mail, and Daily Mail has all sorts of salacious things in there.

Eugene 15:13 Wait, so what does she do on Only Fans?

Dave 15:14 I don't know

Eugene 15:14 Because people assume-

Dave 15:16 I look at the-

Wil Sylvince 15:16 That it's only porn on Only Fans

Trevor Noah 15:17 It's not only, it's not only porn

Wil Sylvince 15:18 She, she, she could take a clovers and she's white. And, and white people are like, "Yes."

Trevor Noah 15:23 [laughs]

Eugene 15:24 On her face?

Wil Sylvince 15:26 Can I tell you something, though, about Rachel Do- Dolezal? Dole-

Trevor Noah 15:29 You know, the way you say it, you say it like her name is Racial Dolezal-

Wil Sylvince 15:32 I was about to say

Trevor Noah 15:32 ... which is, which is actually a great name.

Eugene 15:34 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 15:34 The way, Will, the way you say it, you go, like, Racial Dolezal.

Wil Sylvince 15:37 With, with, with the O.

Eugene 15:39 Rachel

Trevor Noah 15:39 It's Rachel, but I'm saying I-

Wil Sylvince 15:40 Wait, wait, wait. I, I-

Trevor Noah 15:41 You said Racial Dolezal

Wil Sylvince 15:42 Racial

Trevor Noah 15:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 15:43 Okay. It sounds like Racial.

Trevor Noah 15:44 Which sounds like Racial.

Dave 15:45 Try

Trevor Noah 15:45 Which is great. Which is actually a better name.

Eugene 15:47 [laughs]

Dave 15:47 It is a better name

Trevor Noah 15:49 Like, that's a good name to just say to somebody.

Eugene 15:50 Like R-A-C-I-A-L

Trevor Noah 15:50 "Oh, look at Ra- Racial, Racial Dolezal over here."

Wil Sylvince 15:53 How do you say her name?

Trevor Noah 15:54 Rachel.

Eugene 15:55 Rachel.

Wil Sylvince 15:55 And how do you say the other one?

Trevor Noah 15:56 Racial.

Eugene 15:56 Racial.

Wil Sylvince 15:56 That's the same word.

Trevor Noah 15:57 [laughs]

Eugene 15:57 No, you-

Dave 15:58 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 16:00 Racial Dolezal.

Eugene 16:01 No. You say Racial Dolezal.

Trevor Noah 16:03 You're saying Racial.

Eugene 16:04 Like as in she's racial.

Wil Sylvince 16:06 And the, and her name?

Trevor Noah 16:07 Rachel.

Eugene 16:08 Rachel.

Dave 16:09 Okay. Say this, say this. I'm multiracial.

Wil Sylvince 16:13 I'm multiracial.

Dave 16:14 Okay, good. Now say Rachel Dolezal.

Wil Sylvince 16:17 Racial Dolezal.

Trevor Noah 16:18 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 16:18 No, say... [laughs]

Eugene 16:21 You said the thing. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 16:21 Look, okay, let me just get to the point.

Eugene 16:23 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 16:24 Racial Dolezal, right?

Trevor Noah 16:25 Yeah. Cool.

Wil Sylvince 16:26 I actually, I loved it.

Trevor Noah 16:28 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 16:28 I, I, w- initially. I loved it. I'm like, "Wow, finally." Because w- Black people, we're always trying to imitate white people with the long hair.

Trevor Noah 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 16:36 You know, bleach our skin. Not just Black people, you know, I'm just-

Trevor Noah 16:39 Yeah, yeah. No, no

Wil Sylvince 16:40 ... literally just Black. You know, uh, um, um, you know, trying to, trying... Or when you talk proper, you talking white, or you talk... You know, no one ever tried to imitate us. So when she came, I'm like, "Yes. She love us so much that she wanna be us." But then I found out why she wanted to be us. Then I, I'm like, "I can't."

Eugene 16:57 Why?

Wil Sylvince 16:58 She said that Black people, um, Black people don't deserve welfare. I deserve it, 'cause they're not, they're not, they buying shit with it.

Eugene 17:04 And what did she buy with hers?

Trevor Noah 17:05 Yo, did she say this?

Wil Sylvince 17:06 Uh, yeah. I'm paraphrasing, but, you know.

Trevor Noah 17:07 Yeah. Make sure you, make-

Eugene 17:08 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 17:09 Yo, you're gonna get, you're gonna get our haters... Yo. I, I don't think you should... [laughs]

Eugene 17:14 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 17:14 Will just throws you under the bus hard.

Eugene 17:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 17:17 Yeah, he said, uh, "That's a whole race of people that should be wiped out." He said this. I'm paraphrasing.

Eugene 17:22 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 17:22 What he said was, "I'm not having a good day."

Eugene 17:24 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 17:24 But I know what he means. [laughs]

Dave 17:26 You can't just say that, Will

Trevor Noah 17:27 But, you know-

Wil Sylvince 17:28 Wait, look it up

Trevor Noah 17:29 You know, you, you know what-

Wil Sylvince 17:30 The girls who are turning me against her, I'm like, "Oh, all right"

Eugene 17:32 You know what I, you know what I always find weird while you're searching for that fact? Now, when you're watching cartoons, and then you would see different races in cartoons, and then you see the behind the scenes. And they'll show you that the person that did the voice was actually the same color as the cartoon. Have you seen those ones where they're like-

Wil Sylvince 17:48 But not, not in The Simpsons

Eugene 17:49 Yeah, in The Simpsons, obviously, the same person doing the voices for everything.

Wil Sylvince 17:53 Yeah, but a white person doing the...

Trevor Noah 17:54 Wait, but yeah. What you're saying-

Eugene 17:56 Yeah, but-

Trevor Noah 17:56 You see that they're the same, like, race

Eugene 17:59 Yes. As the character that they're portraying, right? But then you watch the news here. When I watch the news in America, I'm like, "If I close my eyes, I wouldn't be able to tell if the person reading the news-

Wil Sylvince 18:11 Oh, fuck. The white-

Eugene 18:12 ... is Black or white

Wil Sylvince 18:13 Because they-

Eugene 18:14 And then when... 'Cause it's almost like the-

Trevor Noah 18:18 Wait

Eugene 18:18 ... the female Black newsreaders in American television-

Trevor Noah 18:20 Yeah

Eugene 18:21 If their skin color would change, they would be a white person. There's nothing to-

Wil Sylvince 18:24 No, I think because in America if, in the 70s, 80s, if you a Black person, a person of color wants to do the news, you have to sound a certain way and look. Even, like, Black women could not wear their hair in a natural state 'cause they felt, they felt threatened or they like, "That's not, that's not proper. Your, your hair, the w- the way your hair naturally is-"

Eugene 18:43 Mm

Wil Sylvince 18:43 ... that's not proper. You gotta [laughs] put it in perm." Which is cra- they just passed a law in New York City, 2019, that, the, the CROWN Act.

Trevor Noah 18:52 Which is?

Wil Sylvince 18:53 Which is women, you cannot fire people because of their natural hair.

Eugene 18:57 On the choice of hairstyle.

Wil Sylvince 18:59 So wh- if you come in, if you come to, to your work with a afro-

Eugene 19:02 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 19:02 ... the way your hair grows out your head-

Eugene 19:04 Yeah, yeah

Wil Sylvince 19:04 ... they can send you home or fire you.

Trevor Noah 19:06 The thing you're talking about with the news is, is a, like a real thing. There's a, there's a fascinating story about how the voice of the Black news anchor in America had to change over time-

Eugene 19:18 Mm

Trevor Noah 19:18 ... because at some point the news was completely, like, split.

Eugene 19:23 Right.

Trevor Noah 19:23 You know, so you had, like, Black television anchors and Black news. And you know, we talked about it with Roy. Roy, 'cause you know his dad was, like, heavily involved in, um-

Eugene 19:30 Radio and news

Trevor Noah 19:30 ... in radio and news in, in, in the US. And Black anchors sounded like the way they spoke, like, in the streets and in their lives.

Eugene 19:41 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 19:41 And then at some point when the lines got blurred, when things came together, when they were integrated and stuff like that, now you had to sound, quote-unquote, professional, and that's when this started. Like, uh, you know what I mean?

Wil Sylvince 19:52 And by professional, they, they mean white. Go ahead.

Trevor Noah 19:54 Yeah. No, no, no. That's, that's what I'm saying.

Eugene 19:55 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 19:55 That's what I'm saying.

Eugene 19:56 It always freaks me out when I'm, when I watch two news anchors, female, Black and white, and they go, "Well, news, like, we're rolling." I'm like, "You s-"

Trevor Noah 20:03 You also-

Wil Sylvince 20:04 It, it's exactly that.

Eugene 20:04 You sound like Carly.

Trevor Noah 20:05 There's a specific... Yeah, it's a specific type of-

Eugene 20:07 Carly.

Trevor Noah 20:07 "And earlier today, many were ruined. Ooh, asking."

Eugene 20:10 Yeah, I'm like, "What is that?"

Trevor Noah 20:12 "We asked a few people on the street, who they had this to say." That's like a specific... Yes.

Wil Sylvince 20:17 But, but, but not just in, in news.

Eugene 20:19 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 20:20 But radios had a certain voice. "Hey, you're listening to Hot 105.1, the light hour."

Eugene 20:28 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 20:28 "We play all the light songs."

Eugene 20:29 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 20:30 "When you dance, you light on your feet."

Eugene 20:32 Yeah, there's, there's one, there's one-

Wil Sylvince 20:33 Right? [laughs]

Eugene 20:34 ... there's one thing my ear can't get used to is drive time and breakfast New York radio.

Trevor Noah 20:40 Br- br- br- br- br- br- br.

Eugene 20:41 There's too many people talking, they're talking too fast.

Trevor Noah 20:43 Br- br- br- br.

Eugene 20:43 Yeah, they're like, "Yeah, yeah."

Wil Sylvince 20:45 Oh, oh, boy.

Trevor Noah 20:46 40 in the morning.

Eugene 20:47 Morning.

Wil Sylvince 20:48 It's only-

Eugene 20:48 Morning.

Trevor Noah 20:49 Morning.

Wil Sylvince 20:50 It's only because ADD has not got to your country yet.

Trevor Noah 20:56 [laughs]

Eugene 20:58 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 21:00 That's all. Once you guys get ADD-

Trevor Noah 21:02 My man, can I tell you, man?

Eugene 21:03 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 21:04 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 21:04 You just put one of the funniest thoughts in my head. ADD has not come to your country yet. 'Cause now I just pictured-

Eugene 21:10 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 21:11 ... a shipment-

Eugene 21:12 Of AD-

Trevor Noah 21:12 ... of ADHD coming to Africa, and the Africans not knowing what's about to hit them. And the ship come, brr. The guys are in the harbor there, then it's like, "Abidjo, have you, have you got the, the consignment? Have you got the shipping forms ready?"

Eugene 21:24 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 21:24 "Yeah, we've got them here. We're g- go- there are a few things coming in. There's a big shipment of ADHD." "ADHD, what is that?" "Uh, I don't know what, but we are going to inspect the container. They say it's quite dangerous." "Okay, let me know when it arrives." And the container comes in, it's like, "Okay, are you ready?" Go, opens the door. He's like, "Hot 105 FM."

Eugene 21:42 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 21:43 [laughs] "All the news in the greatest off." "It's a prank, I'm pranking my mom."

Eugene 21:47 He's just like, "Oh."

Trevor Noah 21:47 "Fuck you. I'm sorry about that."

Eugene 21:49 Abidjo.

Trevor Noah 21:51 Hot 105.

Eugene 21:51 Ba- ba- ba- ba- ba, ba, ba, ba.

Trevor Noah 21:52 [laughs] I'm like, I'm not sure if there was a jingle or a prank.

Eugene 21:57 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 21:57 "You're such an asshole," is your mom talking on the phone. Now it's came 105.7 FM, 2501. And the 501 interstate is traffic and there's a Black guy in the car.

Wil Sylvince 22:06 Radio... American radio has to keep up with the personalities out there.

Eugene 22:09 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 22:10 That's how they-

Trevor Noah 22:10 Oh, man

Wil Sylvince 22:11 ... keep in tune.

Eugene 22:13 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 22:13 Oh, damn. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 22:15 Speaking of which, what did-

Trevor Noah 22:16 Did you, by the way, did you... Were you ever diagnosed with ADD as a kid?

Wil Sylvince 22:19 I diagnosed myself, and I fixed it.

Trevor Noah 22:23 [laughs]

Eugene 22:24 My man. Fuck medicine.

Trevor Noah 22:28 Wait.

Eugene 22:28 Fuck therapy. I got this.

Wil Sylvince 22:30 Can I-

Trevor Noah 22:31 [laughs]

Eugene 22:32 Why are you talking about ADHD-

Trevor Noah 22:34 Wait, wait, wait, wait

Eugene 22:34 ... like you're talking about scrambled eggs? [laughs] Like-

Trevor Noah 22:36 Yeah. What-

Wil Sylvince 22:36 Can I explain?

Eugene 22:37 Want to fry an egg.

Trevor Noah 22:38 [laughs]

Eugene 22:38 Can you?

Wil Sylvince 22:39 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 22:39 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 22:39 Can I explain?

Trevor Noah 22:40 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 22:40 If you know-

Trevor Noah 22:40 Guys, he can explain

Wil Sylvince 22:42 ... if you know you got a problem, right, once you know the problem, then you, then you, then you know what the solution, or you can figure out what the solution to that.

Trevor Noah 22:49 This I agree with.

Wil Sylvince 22:50 Right? And then you can fix yourself.

Trevor Noah 22:50 But how old were you when that was happening?

Eugene 22:51 If that theory was true, Jeffrey Dahmer would've killed one person only.

Trevor Noah 22:54 No, but he d- maybe he didn't know he had a problem.

Eugene 22:55 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 22:55 That's what Will's saying.

Eugene 22:56 When the fridge started smelling.

Trevor Noah 22:57 No, that's a different problem.

Eugene 23:00 No, but, but there's another-

Trevor Noah 23:01 Wil, I get what Will's saying. He's saying, do you acknowledge that you have a problem?

Eugene 23:04 But there's another part to that.

Trevor Noah 23:05 Okay.

Eugene 23:05 Once you acknowledge you got a problem, do you wanna fix it?

Trevor Noah 23:08 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 23:08 Powerful.

Eugene 23:09 Yeah. If you don't wanna fix it, then, like a crackhead knows, "I, I, you know what? I do smoke crack."

Trevor Noah 23:14 I, this is... You're right. There's many of my-

Eugene 23:15 I would, but I love crack

Trevor Noah 23:15 ... there's many, there's many of my problems I don't wanna fix, 'cause [laughs] the other day I looked at my bookmarks on, on X, and I was like, "I don't want to fix this problem." [laughs]

Eugene 23:23 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 23:23 Yo, you know why I used to do crack? Can I tell you something? I used to walk like this. What, what do you call when your, when your feet walk like this? Or-

Trevor Noah 23:29 Duck feet?

Wil Sylvince 23:29 Duck feet. I used to walk like that.

Trevor Noah 23:31 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 23:31 Right?

Trevor Noah 23:31 Why?

Wil Sylvince 23:32 That's, I just, my legs, I just walk-

Eugene 23:33 That's horrible for boxing.

Wil Sylvince 23:35 No, no, that's when I was little. Well, not little, when I was in, uh, high school and stuff.

Trevor Noah 23:38 Yeah?

Wil Sylvince 23:38 I used to walk like this. And then I'm like, "Eh, why am, why am I... " And I wonder, I, I caught my- do you ever catch yourself in a, one of those outside mirrors?

Eugene 23:45 Oh, the fucking-

Wil Sylvince 23:45 Where, where the glass-

Eugene 23:47 Yeah, yeah.

Trevor Noah 23:47 Yes, yes.

Eugene 23:47 It reflects you.

Wil Sylvince 23:47 And I, I saw, saw myself waddling, and I'm like, "Ugh."

Trevor Noah 23:52 Did you stop?

Wil Sylvince 23:53 No wonder I ain't got no girlfriends. I wouldn't date me. And so what I did was I forced my feet to walk pigeon-toed, right? Every time I, I would let me walk pigeon. Eventually my body just fixed the difference, adjusted to the difference, and I just started walking regular.

Trevor Noah 24:08 I'm now thinking of all the people who were on that street with you when that happened. That must have been like watching a Keyser Söze moment.

Eugene 24:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 24:16 'Cause now imagine you were walking against, you were walking down the street.

Eugene 24:20 Someone behind you saw, "No!"

Trevor Noah 24:20 You see this, you see this young man waddling. He's in front of you waddling, waddling, waddling, waddling Turns, looks in a mirror-

Wil Sylvince 24:27 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 24:28 You don't know what's happening. Turns, and then turns back, and all of a sudden changes his body, and then walks the other way.

Wil Sylvince 24:34 Pigeon-toed. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 24:35 You would be like, "I just witnessed something. I don't know what crime I witnessed, but something has happened here."

Wil Sylvince 24:39 Right. And then eventually when I kept doing that, um, my body just remember, hey, d- this-

Trevor Noah 24:42 Wait, wait, wait. So okay, so you fixed your duck walk, you fixed your AD- how did you fix your ADD? What'd you do?

Wil Sylvince 24:47 I, I ... So, so I learned to just look the person in the eye, and, and either look the eyes or watch the mouth. Where am I looking, the eyes or your mouth right now? What'd you ... What am I doing?

Trevor Noah 24:56 I can't tell.

Wil Sylvince 24:57 Exactly. So you can't ... So but now-

Trevor Noah 24:59 That's kindness. What are you-

Wil Sylvince 25:00 So it, it forced me to, like, listen to your words, and li-

Trevor Noah 25:03 So you just forced yourself to do this?

Wil Sylvince 25:04 I just forced myself. I kept forcing myself, 'cause I-

Trevor Noah 25:05 What did, what did you do before that? Just forced-

Wil Sylvince 25:06 Yeah, I, I just used to be like this, "Uh-huh, yeah. Nah, man. What the hell is going on with this?"

Trevor Noah 25:11 Oh, wow.

Wil Sylvince 25:11 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 25:11 And so you were just like, "I'm going to look-

Wil Sylvince 25:13 I'm gonna stay focused

Trevor Noah 25:14 ... But how did you know that you weren't looking at them?

Wil Sylvince 25:16 Yeah. How I know I wasn't?

Trevor Noah 25:17 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 25:17 They told me.

Trevor Noah 25:17 Did someone tell you?

Wil Sylvince 25:18 Because I wa- because I was all over, over here. Now I'm like, and I'd be like, "Wait, what happened? Repeat that again. Re- repeat that again." You know what I'm saying? So I ... A- and no, no, no, I was paying attention, but, but what the hell is this? Is this real? You know what I'm saying? I was just all over the place.

Trevor Noah 25:31 This man is a miracle of science right here.

Wil Sylvince 25:32 No, no, I think, I think you create a problem instead of curing it. I think the best, the be-

Trevor Noah 25:36 You could fix-

Wil Sylvince 25:36 The best-

Trevor Noah 25:37 You could fix anything if you, if you mentally force yourself.

Wil Sylvince 25:39 Yeah, but, yeah, but the best part about having a conversation with someone is not hearing everything they have to say.

Trevor Noah 25:43 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 25:45 I would-

Trevor Noah 25:45 This is not your girlfriend. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 25:48 Some of my best friends, I only take but my 30%.

Trevor Noah 25:52 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 25:52 If I were to consume 100% ...

Trevor Noah 25:54 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 25:56 Wil.

Trevor Noah 25:56 What would happen?

Wil Sylvince 25:57 Exactly. I wouldn't know, because-

Trevor Noah 25:59 This

Trevor Noah 26:00 man is-

Wil Sylvince 26:00 Why would I be like-

Trevor Noah 26:01 ... insane

Wil Sylvince 26:01 ... why would ... [laughs] my man, you don't know my friends. I don't got, I can't be 100%-

Trevor Noah 26:06 You know-

Wil Sylvince 26:06 ... with my friends

Trevor Noah 26:06 ... I wouldn't, I wouldn't-

Wil Sylvince 26:07 No ways

Trevor Noah 26:07 ... I wouldn't believe you-

Wil Sylvince 26:09 If?

Trevor Noah 26:09 No, I wouldn't believe what Wil is telling us-

Wil Sylvince 26:11 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 26:11 ... if you also hadn't lost, like, 100 pounds.

Wil Sylvince 26:14 But that's what I'm telling you.

Trevor Noah 26:15 No, no, no, no, no. I'm letting-

Wil Sylvince 26:16 No, you didn't tell that

Trevor Noah 26:16 ... I'm on your side.

Wil Sylvince 26:17 Oh.

Trevor Noah 26:17 Don't fight with me.

Wil Sylvince 26:18 Oh.

Trevor Noah 26:18 I'm saying I'm on your side here.

Wil Sylvince 26:20 I'm not, right.

Trevor Noah 26:21 I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 26:21 I used to weigh 220 pounds.

Trevor Noah 26:22 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 26:23 Another thing about it, I used to weigh 220 pounds, right? And then, and then, and then-

Trevor Noah 26:26 Why is that figure so round? Why, why wasn't it 122 to one point-

Wil Sylvince 26:30 No, no. I, that's the last time I we-

Trevor Noah 26:31 4FM in the AM-

Wil Sylvince 26:31 ... when I we-

Trevor Noah 26:32 ... in the morning

Wil Sylvince 26:33 ... because when I weighed myself, I remember, like, oh, damn. I'm ... And then, and then, you know, you just take it as life. And then a couple things made me change my ways. I, I, one day I was, I was, I, they, they booked me at this show at this, in, in Colorado. They put me in a nice suite. Nice suite. Big-ass mirrors everywhere. And whenever I go in nice hotels, like when I'm on tour with Trevor, uh, don't ever come in my room a, and just barge in. You got, make sure you knock.

Trevor Noah 26:58 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 26:58 I just w- I just like to walk around naked.

Trevor Noah 27:00 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 27:01 You know? I make some calls, "Hey, girl. You, you wish you was here. Look." You know what I'm saying? I walk around naked. So I'm, I'm in the bathroom brushing my teeth, right?

Trevor Noah 27:11 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 27:11 I looked in the mirror. A dude, someone broke into my room, right? And they b- and they, and they're naked and backing up. It was me. I didn't recognize my back fat. And I was like ... It was so shocking to me that I couldn't ... I, I looked like a old man.

Trevor Noah 27:30 Was it hairy?

Wil Sylvince 27:30 Huh?

Trevor Noah 27:31 Was it hairy?

Wil Sylvince 27:31 No, I'm not, I'm not hairy.

Trevor Noah 27:32 Okay, sharp.

Wil Sylvince 27:33 I w- but it was huge.

Trevor Noah 27:34 You could have fooled me.

Wil Sylvince 27:34 It was like a, I looked like a lump of clay.

Trevor Noah 27:37 Ah, nah.

Wil Sylvince 27:38 And then I remember I went and I just took one of those thick-ass robes. I c- I, I couldn't bear nobody to look, n- you know, look at me.

Trevor Noah 27:44 Oh, shame, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 27:45 Not even a mirror. And then, um, I just sat down watching TV. I remember, I can't remember the sports player, but some sports player was still playing sports in their ... 'Cause I kept saying, "I'm getting old. I'm, you know, I'm a 30. I'm g- it's just old age." I looked at this, and then it was like, hey, he's, he's 50, 50-something and he's still in great shape. And that's what made me change. I'm like, damn. It's just n- it's all in your head. Like, you, you are what, what you wanna be.

Trevor Noah 28:10 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 28:11 So from that moment on, I decided to change my life. You know, change the foods, start exercising, and, and change the way I think. It's more, it's really the way you think, right? Think it first, and then you apply. That's why I tell people, if you wanna lose weight, what do you really want? Right? If you wanna be unhealthy, that's fine. That's your life. It's your life.

Trevor Noah 28:30 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 28:31 But understand, being unhealthy come with consequences, and you have to be okay with that. Diabetes, hypertension, cancer. Uh, um, your bypass might stop, stop working. You have to be okay with that, 'cause you, this is the choice you made. But if you also, you wanna be h- healthy, understand that it's a harder road. Like, you know what? I, I'm, I'm ... Just of all, it's just like when you go to college. You're not gonna ace all. You, you gonna have to study, you gonna have to work hard, you gonna have to do everything. Or, or if you're in a relationship with, with, with a partner-

Trevor Noah 28:58 Why?

Wil Sylvince 28:58 ... it takes work. It, it ... Because being, going healthy, you have to understand, you've been eating a certain way your whole life. You're used to tastes. You're used to certain smells, used to certain textures.

Trevor Noah 29:09 The emotions, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 29:09 So you have to give all that up to go on this healthy, healthy path. And understand it won't be easy. Just like when you ride a bike. When you first r- ride a bike, you fall. You don't take the bike and put it away. No, you get back on and ride again. Get back on and ride again until you're like, "I got this now." Now you, now you're riding with no hands.

Trevor Noah 29:28 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 29:28 Same thing with health. When you wanna be healthy, you just gotta g- give y- give yourself time. Understand that you're gonna fail. Understand that, you know what? It, you know, I'm gonna, I ... But this is the road I wanna be. I wanna be healthy. And about me, it's not about ... I don't wanna be 100 years old. I don't wanna be 90. But I wanna, I wanna, I wanna be today. I wanna live today. That make sense? I wanna be healthy now.

Trevor Noah 29:49 So when you're a lump of clay-

Wil Sylvince 29:50 Why-

Trevor Noah 29:50 ... you're not living today?

Wil Sylvince 29:50 I don't know where I'm gonna be 100 years or 10 years or even two years from now, but today I wanna be, I wanna be ... You know what I'm saying?

Trevor Noah 29:58 Wait, wait. So you were in a suite doing comedy and on tour-

Wil Sylvince 30:01 I-

Trevor Noah 30:02 ... with back fat looking like a lump of clay.

Wil Sylvince 30:04 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 30:05 Brushing your teeth. You were still that guy.

Wil Sylvince 30:07 Speaking to a girl. Speaking to a girl. No, no.

Trevor Noah 30:09 No, wait. W- weren't you happy that day?

Wil Sylvince 30:12 Not when I saw that fat person.

Trevor Noah 30:13 No, no. Wait, wait, wait. Before you judged yourself.

Wil Sylvince 30:15 Right.

Trevor Noah 30:16 Weren't you, weren't you happy that day?

Wil Sylvince 30:19 Not re- I wa- there was always low self-esteem. There was always a sense of I'm not-

Trevor Noah 30:23 No, no, no. But when you walked into the hotel room-

Wil Sylvince 30:24 You, you are, I'm, my, my person-

Trevor Noah 30:25 Wait. The suite, you walking in there.

Wil Sylvince 30:27 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 30:27 You even took off your clothes.

Wil Sylvince 30:28 Because I don't see-

Trevor Noah 30:29 You call girls

Wil Sylvince 30:30 ... because my mind is not on me Understand? My mind is on other things, but then when your, when your, when your mind, when I, I start focusing on me, then, then I get depressed. I, I ain't nobody. My comedy sucks. I'm a fat mess.

Trevor Noah 30:42 Oh, so when, so when... What you're saying is-

Wil Sylvince 30:44 But when you, when you, when it's-

Trevor Noah 30:44 ... when you, when you avoided yourself-

Wil Sylvince 30:46 I avoided my... Yeah

Trevor Noah 30:46 ... life was good.

Wil Sylvince 30:47 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 30:48 But that mirror made you unable to avoid yourself in that moment-

Wil Sylvince 30:51 Ex- exactly

Trevor Noah 30:51 ... and you decided, "This is what I need to change."

Wil Sylvince 30:53 Yeah. Be-

Trevor Noah 30:54 How, how long did it take you? What was, what was, like, the first-

Wil Sylvince 30:56 It, [sighs] it took, it took some years, because changing the way you think could take a while, man. It took me another two years to, like, to... You know, I had... I realized I c- it, it wasn't fads, it wasn't quick diets, it wasn't let me just give this up and... No, I had to change the way I think.

Trevor Noah 31:15 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 31:15 And then I applied. Then the... After you, after you accept, "You know what? I wanna be healthy," change the way I think, then I had to, I had to, um, learn about health. Read books, watch documentaries. When you, when people go to war, right, they don't just go in there. They, they learn about how much, how much airplanes they have, how much ships they have, how many, how many this they have. And then they have a plan. "Okay, we're gonna enter here, 'cause there's no pe- there's nobody in the, in, in, in part, part, level C. So we'll enter through level C." Same thing with the war on fat. You gotta, you need a-

Trevor Noah 31:47 There's a war on fat now [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 31:48 Yes. With yourself. With myself. In America, there's a war on fat.

Trevor Noah 31:55 Oh, man.

Wil Sylvince 31:55 But the, the war on fat-

Trevor Noah 31:56 You know I hope-

Wil Sylvince 31:56 The war on fat-

Trevor Noah 31:56 ... hope this podcast doesn't reach people where there's starvation, eh?

Wil Sylvince 31:58 The, the war on fat-

Trevor Noah 31:59 They're like, "W- there's a war, there's a war on fat" [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 32:02 The, the war on fat is a individual war. It's not a nation war. Because America try to make it seem like it's, "Well, hey, uh, we got a war on fat." No, it's a in- because companies want you to be fat.

Trevor Noah 32:11 But you, you know what's-

Wil Sylvince 32:11 You know-

Trevor Noah 32:11 Let me... Wait, let me ask you a question, though.

Wil Sylvince 32:13 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 32:13 Wait, wait. Let me ask a question. There, there are people who lost weight the hard way.

Wil Sylvince 32:18 Mm.

Trevor Noah 32:19 And I've heard a lot of those people have resentment towards people who'd, like, take Ozempic. Do you, do you have that?

Wil Sylvince 32:25 I don't, because why you care about somebody else, what they, they, they, they chose? It's almost like, "I, I hate this person because they're Catholic," or, "I hate this person because they chose to date a, a Asian person," or, "I hate this..." But why do you care about what other people doing with their lives?

Trevor Noah 32:38 Okay, so you don't-

Wil Sylvince 32:38 How does their life-

Trevor Noah 32:39 You don't have-

Wil Sylvince 32:39 How does their life-

Trevor Noah 32:39 You don't have any of that

Wil Sylvince 32:40 ... affect your life?

Trevor Noah 32:41 No, no, I'm just asking. You don't have any of that?

Wil Sylvince 32:42 No, no, I got nothing. No, not at all.

Trevor Noah 32:43 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 32:43 I don't-

Trevor Noah 32:43 So if you see them lose the weight 'cause of Ozempic, you're just as happy.

Wil Sylvince 32:46 Everybody... But that's why I say-

Trevor Noah 32:47 You're just happy that they lost the weight

Wil Sylvince 32:47 ... that's why I say when the number one choice, what do you, what do you want?

Trevor Noah 32:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 32:51 Not what other people want for you.

Trevor Noah 32:52 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 32:52 Not what your parents want for you or your girlfriend or boyfriend. What do you want for you?

Trevor Noah 32:56 Why'd you say your boyfriend, then looked at me? [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 32:59 [laughs] 'Cause you wear scarves.

Trevor Noah 33:01 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 33:04 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 33:05 Oh, man. Can I ask you something? Did you, did you, did you always have this growing up? Were you always strong-willed?

Wil Sylvince 33:11 No.

Trevor Noah 33:11 No.

Wil Sylvince 33:12 No, no, I d- no. That, uh... No. I was very weak, weak-minded and more of a follower and stuff.

Trevor Noah 33:18 Duck feet.

Wil Sylvince 33:19 Duck feet. Um, pimples and stuff.

Trevor Noah 33:21 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pimples doesn't have anything to do with your personality [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 33:24 And stuff.

Trevor Noah 33:24 I love how you threw pimples in.

Wil Sylvince 33:26 Pimples is part of h- a poor, poor diet.

Trevor Noah 33:28 No, man, Wil. Come on, man. D- you see. This is... You're gonna start with that conspiracy shit now.

Wil Sylvince 33:33 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 33:33 You see now. You see what Wil just did there. He just threw it in. He's like, "Man, nah, man, my mind was weak when I was young, man. I had no confidence, and, you know, and I, I, I d- I was just a follower, and I had pimples, man."

Wil Sylvince 33:45 Skittles. He's just... [laughs]

Trevor Noah 33:46 Yo, you can't control whether or not you have acne. That's not in your control.

Wil Sylvince 33:50 It's in the, it's in the diet.

Trevor Noah 33:52 No, there's a man-

Wil Sylvince 33:52 Wil, Wil, Wil-

Trevor Noah 33:53 You are partly-

Wil Sylvince 33:53 You grew up as a kid with acne

Trevor Noah 33:54 ... Wil, Wil.

Dave 33:55 I will say this one thing to help you. Or no, I mean to add on to what you're saying.

Trevor Noah 34:00 He's not helping him anymore.

Dave 34:02 A lot of the time, a lot of the time people have done a thing like that, but they don't, uh, either they don't remember it or they don't reference it.

Wil Sylvince 34:11 What you mean? Wait, w- what?

Dave 34:13 So, like-

Wil Sylvince 34:13 Repeat that last part

Dave 34:14 ... in a person's life-

Wil Sylvince 34:15 Yeah

Dave 34:16 ... there was a time where they had to do a thing where they had to, like, do it for themselves.

Trevor Noah 34:21 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 34:22 Yeah.

Dave 34:22 You know, where they had to-

Trevor Noah 34:22 Do it themselves.

Dave 34:23 Yes, do it themselves.

Trevor Noah 34:24 Yeah.

Dave 34:24 They had to fix something-

Trevor Noah 34:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Dave 34:26 ... in their life, whatever it may be.

Wil Sylvince 34:27 Right.

Dave 34:28 And then, then they do it. It... Other people didn't tell them to do it, and sometimes it's not even a, like, a negative thing. It's just, like, a thing where they u- used self-discipline or self-will.

Trevor Noah 34:40 Yeah.

Dave 34:41 You know when someone is like, "I dec-" You meet people, an, a person not overweight or anything, but you'll be like, "How come you started, uh, jogging?" Then they were just like, "I just started. It was hard. I start a wake up at 5:00."

Trevor Noah 34:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 34:53 "Why?" "I don't know. I just... But it was hard, and I did it based on myself," you know?

Trevor Noah 34:58 Mm.

Dave 34:58 Then when they take on other challenges, they, they forget to reference that. 'Cause you're sort of, like, dipping in the same pool of-

Trevor Noah 35:07 Oh, they forget to tell other people-

Dave 35:09 Of their own thing

Trevor Noah 35:09 ... that they, that they now have a new skill or muscle that they had to develop from a certain space

Dave 35:14 ... and they don't... Of their own thing.

Trevor Noah 35:15 Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

Dave 35:16 So let's say you learned to play, you learned to y- Like, your thing, the duck feet thing. You fixed it yourself. Or the weight thing. Then you decide to do another thing. If this another person, they forget to reference that they once did that thing. It's like we want, we want-

Trevor Noah 35:34 Yeah, they come out, they come out perfect after the results.

Dave 35:36 No. So, like, you-

Trevor Noah 35:36 No, no, no. I think what he's saying, here's-

Dave 35:37 When you won a championship-

Trevor Noah 35:38 Here's what I'm, here's what he's saying

Dave 35:39 ... and you do another tournament-

Trevor Noah 35:40 Here, um-

Dave 35:40 ... you must be like, "I won the previous championship."

Trevor Noah 35:42 Yeah. What I'm saying is, like, if someone learns how to play the piano-

Dave 35:45 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 35:45 ... then they go on to play guitar-

Dave 35:47 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 35:47 ... they need to reference the fact that at some point they had learned how to play piano, because that thing-

Wil Sylvince 35:52 They accumulated the skill

Trevor Noah 35:53 ... yeah, that thing sort of directly ties to this next part of it-

Wil Sylvince 35:56 Okay. But-

Trevor Noah 35:56 ... as opposed to it being an independent-

Dave 35:57 But not the, not the actual activity.

Trevor Noah 36:00 Yeah, not the act.

Dave 36:00 I'm saying the willpower.

Trevor Noah 36:01 No, the willpower of the act.

Wil Sylvince 36:02 Yeah, they, they, they-

Trevor Noah 36:02 That's what I mean

Wil Sylvince 36:03 ... built it from somewhere.

Trevor Noah 36:04 Yes. Yeah, that makes sense.

Dave 36:04 'Cause they'll be like, "I don't have the willpower to do this." Then you go, like, surely... Not surely. In your life, there's a thing where you, just in the course of life, just like in the course of life people have a bad time, people have a good time, pe- you know, like, life offers things.

Trevor Noah 36:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 36:18 In the course of your life, just because you're a human being, there was a time when of your own volition you did a thing. When you now-

Wil Sylvince 36:28 ... need to do another thing of your own volition, remember that you are doing this for the second time. That's just how life is. The second time where you're like, "I need to do this thing," I can guarantee you it is not the first time you need to use that self-

Dave 36:43 Discipline

Wil Sylvince 36:44 ... yes. You-

Dave 36:44 Makes sense

Wil Sylvince 36:45 ... definitely, definitely, definitely have done it once before, and you gotta reference that. And it's-

Trevor Noah 36:49 But pimples is not one of them. I'm just gonna go back and say.

Wil Sylvince 36:51 Pimples is 100% not one of them.

Dave 36:51 But you know, the, the strange thing with, with-

Trevor Noah 36:53 Yeah, ac- acne is not-

Dave 36:54 With weight, when you tell people that you've lost weight-

Trevor Noah 36:57 Yeah

Dave 36:57 ... that have never seen you fat-

Trevor Noah 36:58 Yes

Dave 36:59 ... you're wasting your time.

Trevor Noah 37:00 This is true, completely.

Dave 37:01 Because we don't know how to reference that.

Wil Sylvince 37:02 Right, right.

Trevor Noah 37:03 No, this is true.

Wil Sylvince 37:03 But, but I'll tell you this, the, the way-

Trevor Noah 37:04 Will you give us, will you give us a picture that we can put up for the people?

Wil Sylvince 37:07 Uh, uh, yeah.

Dave 37:07 We need the picture.

Trevor Noah 37:08 No, no, you don't have to now. Just give us a picture so we can put it up for the people.

Wil Sylvince 37:11 My, my, my, my road to, to, uh-

Dave 37:11 And you must put it upside down for more, for more... Not upside down, but you must start it upside down, and then it must rotate for more effect.

Trevor Noah 37:18 Okay, cool. I'm down.

Dave 37:19 Yeah, and wear more tank tops just to show us what-

Trevor Noah 37:22 I'm down

Dave 37:22 ... you've done with your life.

Wil Sylvince 37:23 Yeah. Also, my, my, my, uh, about the willpower thing, right? Uh, uh, wi- with your family and friends-

Trevor Noah 37:29 That's what we're gonna call this episode, willpower.

Wil Sylvince 37:31 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 37:31 Get it? 'Cause your name's Wil.

Wil Sylvince 37:33 Tha- th- thank you.

Trevor Noah 37:33 [laughs]

Dave 37:34 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 37:35 I love doing that to Wil-

Wil Sylvince 37:36 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 37:36 ... 'cause he does that to us all the time. And when you do it back to him-

Dave 37:40 Now look at him now

Trevor Noah 37:41 ... he looks at you like, "Fucking live like this." [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 37:46 [laughs]

Dave 37:46 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 37:46 So what made my journey a little bit harder, right, the people I, I surround myself with, whether they want you to be fat or they, they, they, they, they don't like... They... Black community think if you're f- not... If you're skinny, you're sick, you're... Some- something's wrong with you, right?

Trevor Noah 38:04 But that's where... It came from, it came from-

Dave 38:05 And you're not, and you're not doing well

Trevor Noah 38:05 ... a real place, though.

Wil Sylvince 38:08 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What do you mean?

Trevor Noah 38:09 Well, I mean, for-

Wil Sylvince 38:10 Fattening

Trevor Noah 38:10 ... for almost the entire history of existing, if you were super skinny, it means things were really tough for you and-

Wil Sylvince 38:17 Yeah

Trevor Noah 38:17 ... life was not good.

Wil Sylvince 38:17 Right, but not super skinny, just small.

Dave 38:20 No, skinny.

Wil Sylvince 38:20 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 38:20 Even, even then skinny.

Wil Sylvince 38:21 Yeah. Right.

Trevor Noah 38:22 Like, things were not good for you.

Wil Sylvince 38:23 Right.

Trevor Noah 38:23 Do you know what I mean? Skinny is a byproduct of, of lack.

Wil Sylvince 38:26 So the... So, so now, now that we've reversed it, you think now this is gonna be the thing, the thing, like, y- you're really big, I mean-

Trevor Noah 38:32 It is. No, no, it is. I actually think it is.

Wil Sylvince 38:34 Right.

Trevor Noah 38:34 I do think. I think if you look at society now versus then, and obviously it's different depending on where you are in the world.

Wil Sylvince 38:40 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 38:40 But certain body shapes and types hold a completely different connotation depending on where you are.

Wil Sylvince 38:47 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 38:47 So now, especially because of Ozempic and these things, now I think people who are heavier are going to be seen as being poorer or of that class-

Wil Sylvince 38:56 Yes

Trevor Noah 38:56 ... because-

Dave 38:57 They eat junk

Trevor Noah 38:57 ... n- because n- no, because before it was, like, a willpower thing.

Wil Sylvince 39:00 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 39:00 Oh, you, you-

Dave 39:01 Troll

Trevor Noah 39:01 ... you gained w- or you, you, you, you, you overweight, it means that you don't work out or you're struggling or... But now it's like, oh, you don't wanna take Ozempic, you don't wanna take these drugs. It also means you can't afford them probably. So I think to your point, that's, that will become very quickly a signifier of how people see your, your, your place in society, like what is your station in life? They'll go-

Wil Sylvince 39:22 Right.

Dave 39:22 Yeah, it become class-

Trevor Noah 39:23 Yeah, it becomes-

Dave 39:24 ... classist

Trevor Noah 39:24 ... it literally becomes that.

Dave 39:25 Yeah. So-

Trevor Noah 39:25 Like, when we grew up-

Wil Sylvince 39:26 Right

Trevor Noah 39:27 ... the skinnier people, w- you were immediately, like, just looked at as-

Dave 39:31 Yeah, you're not doing well

Trevor Noah 39:31 ... things are not y- if your, like, dad or uncle was skinny-

Wil Sylvince 39:34 Yeah

Trevor Noah 39:35 ... w- they're not doing well.

Wil Sylvince 39:36 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 39:37 So-

Wil Sylvince 39:37 That, that's why in, in Haiti back in the days, men used to like the bigger women, 'cause bigger women meant two things. They were healthy-

Trevor Noah 39:43 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 39:43 ... and they could cook.

Trevor Noah 39:44 Oh, there you go.

Wil Sylvince 39:45 Yeah. So, so that, that thing-

Trevor Noah 39:46 Well, has that, has that changed or is it, like, stayed the same now?

Wil Sylvince 39:49 It's changed now. It's ch- it's changed. Now, now they want, they want the small waist but the big butt bumps.

Trevor Noah 39:53 Oh, now they want Instagram essentially.

Wil Sylvince 39:54 Yeah. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 39:55 They want the things... Okay.

Wil Sylvince 39:56 Yeah.

Dave 39:56 No life detected.

Trevor Noah 39:56 So when was... Wait, wait, wait. When was the last time you went to Haiti, by the way? How often do you get back?

Wil Sylvince 40:00 Last y- last year, two years ago.

Dave 40:02 Huh?

Trevor Noah 40:03 What's it, what's it like when you go?

Wil Sylvince 40:04 Um-

Dave 40:05 That long

Wil Sylvince 40:06 ... I w- I... It's nice. I go to... Well, the Port-au-Prince i- is, is, you know, is, is not doing well.

Trevor Noah 40:14 That's-

Wil Sylvince 40:14 But-

Trevor Noah 40:14 Is that the part that's overrun by gangs-

Wil Sylvince 40:16 By gangs, yeah

Trevor Noah 40:16 ... and... Okay.

Wil Sylvince 40:17 Yeah. So imagine, like, America, New York City's overrun by gang. But the rest-

Trevor Noah 40:23 It's fine

Wil Sylvince 40:23 ... you know, Fl- Miami's still good.

Trevor Noah 40:25 Oh, okay.

Wil Sylvince 40:25 You know-

Trevor Noah 40:26 Okay

Wil Sylvince 40:26 ... Boston's still good. Like, it, you know-

Trevor Noah 40:28 Yeah, when you see it in the news, it's like, don't go to... Haiti as a whole-

Wil Sylvince 40:31 All of it

Trevor Noah 40:32 ... is all just a war zone.

Wil Sylvince 40:33 But if you look at the news, uh, for a long time in the '80s, '70s, '80s, '90s, America would... These countries, they only show you the bad part. They only show the ba- bad part. They won't show you, oh, but on... And if you fly into this part of town, the sun is out. It's, it's-

Trevor Noah 40:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 40:47 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 40:47 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 40:47 They only show you the bad part. So what I was saying was, when I get around my friends, I got teased a lot. Like, "Look at Wil eating, eating trees and leaves and stuff," you know? Uh, you know-

Trevor Noah 40:59 Oh, so now that you've s-

Wil Sylvince 41:00 Sh- shout out to Keith Robinson, who always tease me.

Trevor Noah 41:02 [laughs] Keith.

Wil Sylvince 41:02 And, and so I, I had to-

Trevor Noah 41:05 Keith teases everyone.

Wil Sylvince 41:06 Yeah.

Dave 41:06 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 41:06 I had to either, A, stop hanging out with my friends, or B-

Trevor Noah 41:10 This is when you were becoming healthy

Wil Sylvince 41:11 ... when I'm becoming healthy.

Trevor Noah 41:12 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 41:12 We're on my path to a healthy lifestyle, or I have to just eat before I got around them so I didn't feel, you know, pressured to eat.

Dave 41:19 Front up to eat. Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 41:19 And, and, and then once I became... Once I got comfortable and didn't care what they said and didn't let that affect me, then I became more of a, like a role model to some, inspiration to some.

Trevor Noah 41:30 You've definitely been a role model and inspiration to me.

Wil Sylvince 41:32 You know, I-

Trevor Noah 41:32 I'm gonna put it out there. If you made a website and you need a testimonial-

Wil Sylvince 41:36 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 41:36 ... I'll come on there.

Wil Sylvince 41:37 Yeah. Depends what you're selling though.

Trevor Noah 41:38 The, the amount of times... Can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Wil, like, you are responsible for 50 pounds I do not have on my body.

Wil Sylvince 41:48 That's a lot. That's good.

Trevor Noah 41:50 The amount of times Wil has gone, "Man, you don't need that," when we're on the road, "Man, you don't need that."

Wil Sylvince 41:56 But he'll eat it later.

Dave 41:58 Gets away, doesn't it?

Trevor Noah 41:59 This may or may not be true.

Wil Sylvince 42:00 [laughs]

Dave 42:01 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 42:01 No, but I'm serious. You know, you know why? 'Cause you, you, you've, you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people.

Wil Sylvince 42:07 No.

Trevor Noah 42:07 But you get into, like, a very-

Dave 42:09 You don't need that

Trevor Noah 42:09 ... you get into, like, a very inspirational-

Dave 42:10 It's not a judgment.

Trevor Noah 42:10 No. Wil gets very, like-

Wil Sylvince 42:12 Oh

Trevor Noah 42:12 ... he gets very motivational. Like, Wil will be like... And then he'll be... And then start telling you about, like, the, the benefits of omega-3s and fatty acids in fish, and why you should move to fish, and, "You need this in your body." And then he'll, like, squeeze. He'll take, like, a piece of steak from your plate, then he'll squeeze it, then the fat comes out. Then he's like, he's like, "This fat-"

Dave 42:29 "This go to your heart, man. This go to your heart" And then he puts it back down [laughs] and then he like, "You gonna eat that thing?" Like, "No, I'm not gonna [laughs] eat that anymore."

Wil Sylvince 42:35 You know what, you know what I used to do also? I, I wa- I was a big fan of-

Dave 42:38 This guy, bro. [laughs] No, he does... It's a good thing, but it's when Will gets into, like, healthy food mode, it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life [laughs] because he's so evangelical about it.

Eugene 42:51 I see why I listen to 30% of what my friend says here.

Dave 42:53 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 42:54 You know, and I think-

Eugene 42:55 You see, you see why wh- when you get dialed in, what happens.

Dave 42:57 [laughs]

Eugene 42:58 Right, like I'm watching Telemundo, but I... why am I watching this storyline? Why? [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 43:02 So I used to do little tricks, right? So one of the tricks I used to do, I, I love cake, right? I used to love cake. So I'd do this-

Dave 43:07 Used to.

Wil Sylvince 43:08 I... Yeah, I used to love cake. I would eat, eat two bites and throw it in the, throw it in the garbage. And people are like, "You're just wasting food. You're throwing away food." I'm like, "Yeah, either I throw that away or I throw this away. I'd rather throw that away." That make sense?

Eugene 43:20 You know that even Will-

Dave 43:21 No, that don't make sense

Eugene 43:21 ... there were kids in Africa.

Dave 43:23 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 43:23 Okay, I'll mail it to them.

Eugene 43:24 There are kids in Africa-

Wil Sylvince 43:25 [laughs]

Eugene 43:25 ... who didn't have cake, and we're those kids, Will.

Wil Sylvince 43:28 And I wish that I was them, 'cause they never... They, you know, they're skinny and n- nice and healthy.

Eugene 43:32 [laughs]

Dave 43:33 [laughs] So wait, so why would you, why would you... I don't understand.

Wil Sylvince 43:35 [laughs]

Dave 43:36 So you did that-

Wil Sylvince 43:36 Because I eat that while it's... in my mind while, while I'm g- I'm getting the high from that.

Eugene 43:40 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 43:40 And then I get rid of it and get rid... 'Cause I'm, I, I got to fix.

Eugene 43:44 Yeah, psychologically you're showing yourself-

Dave 43:45 Oh, okay, okay. So you wouldn't, so you would go like, "I may not be able to resist eating a cake-

Wil Sylvince 43:49 So I will

Dave 43:49 ... but I will not finish the cake."

Wil Sylvince 43:51 Yes.

Dave 43:51 And it's better than nothing.

Wil Sylvince 43:53 It, it's better than eating a whole cake.

Dave 43:55 Okay. I like this.

Wil Sylvince 43:57 You know? And I don't-

Dave 43:57 This, now this explains why-

Wil Sylvince 43:59 Look-

Dave 43:59 ... I see why you're, like... I see now why you're a boxer and, like-

Wil Sylvince 44:02 Also-

Dave 44:02 ... this is, like, this is the guy. This is, like, you know?

Wil Sylvince 44:04 Also, we always want the best girlfriend or the best boyfriend or the-

Eugene 44:07 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 44:07 ... or the best partner or the ma- best husband, best wife, right? We always want the... But we never offer the best of us.

Eugene 44:14 [laughs] Wait, can you switch genders please?

Wil Sylvince 44:15 Okay, the best girlfriend-

Eugene 44:17 Yes

Wil Sylvince 44:17 ... and the best h- boyfriend, right?

Eugene 44:19 Yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 44:20 But we never offer the best of us. We offer this person that don't wanna eat healthy, this person that don't wanna exercise, who don't wanna take their career seriously.

Dave 44:26 Damn, that's deep.

Wil Sylvince 44:27 Don't wanna... So we, w- we, we like, "Hey, you better take this. You better accept me as is, for you better, you better be on your Ps and Qs. You better, you-"

Dave 44:34 Here's a question, Will. The, um, you were so obese, and I'm not saying [laughs]

Eugene 44:43 Oh.

Wil Sylvince 44:43 How obese was he?

Dave 44:45 So [laughs]

Eugene 44:45 No, no. You said-

Dave 44:47 [laughs]

Eugene 44:49 You said 220.

Wil Sylvince 44:50 Every time he turn around, they gave a welcome back party.

Dave 44:53 Oh, man. [laughs] The way you said that. [laughs]

Eugene 44:56 Were you obese?

Wil Sylvince 44:57 Uh, no, I, no.

Eugene 44:57 Or just fat?

Wil Sylvince 44:58 I was just, yeah.

Dave 44:59 Oh, I don't know what 220 is, 'cause I work in kilograms.

Wil Sylvince 45:02 Uh, 100 kilos.

Dave 45:04 You were 100 kilos.

Wil Sylvince 45:04 I dropped 30 kilos.

Dave 45:06 Okay, 100 kilos is also-

Eugene 45:07 Yeah, but 100 kilos for his height.

Dave 45:08 Yes, relative.

Wil Sylvince 45:09 Five eight.

Dave 45:09 I was gonna say for height, depends.

Eugene 45:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 45:11 And this is a, a honest question.

Eugene 45:13 Yes.

Dave 45:14 Is that you got shocked by the 100 kilos.

Wil Sylvince 45:17 I got shocked?

Dave 45:18 Because of... Shocked.

Eugene 45:19 By seeing yourself at 100 kilos.

Wil Sylvince 45:21 Okay. I got-

Dave 45:22 You, as for you, you said it, not me.

Wil Sylvince 45:24 Okay, okay. I, you said, you said-

Dave 45:27 You were naked, you were naked in the hotel room.

Wil Sylvince 45:28 Right.

Dave 45:28 Speaking to a girl.

Eugene 45:29 Brushing your teeth.

Wil Sylvince 45:30 Let me, let me explain to you so you can visualize what I'm saying.

Dave 45:32 [laughs] Maybe we don't want to.

Eugene 45:34 We, we wanna visualize this. Go. Go, go.

Wil Sylvince 45:35 We're so used to seeing the front.

Eugene 45:37 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 45:38 By, by mirrors, pictures all the time.

Eugene 45:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 45:41 We never see the other part.

Eugene 45:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 45:43 Why do you wanna see the other part?

Wil Sylvince 45:44 Hold up, Hammer. I'm trying to explain to you.

Dave 45:45 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 45:46 Right? He's gone. [laughs]

Eugene 45:48 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 45:49 So the other part is the part that you don't s- if we never seen the front, and let's say you, you remember yourself from high school, right? I'm not sure you were skinny in high school. I was, I was 130 in high school, right? I'm u- I used to see myself skinny, and let's say I, I didn't, I couldn't see for, like, 20 years, and now, and I, and I'm like, "Whoa, who is this person?" That's why I'm talking about my back fat. I, I saw my back a long, long time ago, and, and you could see m- the blades. You know your, your shoulder blades?

Eugene 46:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 46:16 And I could, I, I used to always put my finger in m- in my, in my back and stuff. I also used to able to touch my back. I can't even do it now. And then when I saw that image, it, it was shock me. It shocked me. It's almost like, you know, this person who I haven't seen in a long time, and, and I see, I'm seeing now, I'm like, "Wow." That, does that make sense?

Eugene 46:36 Yeah, yeah.

Dave 46:37 That does make sense.

Wil Sylvince 46:37 You, you shorter than you are like-

Eugene 46:38 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dave 46:38 That's what I, that's what I assumed that you said, and that's why you need to repeat it. Now.

Wil Sylvince 46:43 Oh. [laughs]

Eugene 46:45 [laughs]

Dave 46:45 That was what my assumption was.

Wil Sylvince 46:47 [laughs]

Dave 46:48 I fully got what you said. Wonderful communicator. I was on board with what you said.

Eugene 46:53 You see how he felt about your back?

Dave 46:55 Yes.

Eugene 46:55 That's how we feel about Dave's comments. [laughs]

Dave 46:57 No, that's what I'm saying about the back thing.

Eugene 46:58 As we see them and we're like, "Ah." [laughs]

Dave 47:00 I'm saying about the back thing.

Eugene 47:01 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 47:02 Right.

Dave 47:02 What is your, uh, recommendation for people who don't have that shock moment? Do you see what I'm saying?

Eugene 47:07 Mm.

Wil Sylvince 47:07 I see.

Dave 47:07 A lot of people are living, but they, but life does not shock them hard enough that they can make this huge change.

Wil Sylvince 47:16 Right.

Dave 47:16 So then th- I would venture to say, I, I mean, I don't know the percentages, but a huge amount of people are not going to have the shock moment. But if they, if they did what you say, their lives would improve. But they, but without... How they gonna do it without a shock moment?

Wil Sylvince 47:31 Well, uh, well, well okay. Let me be a, a little bit more clear. So it wa- that was one moment, right? And that, that, that was enough to get me depressed for a long time. Then I had another moment. I was dating this girl, right? Tall model girl, and I, I did a show, right? You know, I like, used to like to wear my tank tops, right? 'Cause I had nice arms. And I did good. I got off stage, like, "Good show, good show." I got to her. She said, "Either wear a shirt or wear the tank top without the stomach." You ever someone tell you something and you, "Uh, wait, what? What happened?"

Eugene 48:08 She chose to tell you-

Wil Sylvince 48:08 'Cause there's so much... You know-

Eugene 48:10 She chose to tell you that after the show.

Wil Sylvince 48:11 Yeah, but you got, I, ADDs come around, but that, that's the one that stuck. And I didn't know where, how, how to go, 'cause I'm getting all this high praise and good show, amazing, blah, blah, blah. Wear a shirt or wear the s- tank top without a stomach. Uh, I'm expecting a, a compliment, but I'm not expecting... And then it hit me like, "W- The only thing I could say in my head was, "But, but you're having sex with me. You're having sex with this."

Dave 48:37 But now that's even, you've answered me-

Wil Sylvince 48:39 And then, and another thing I learned about women, women will date a dude that's not, they not attracted to 'cause they, they find other things attractive about them.

Dave 48:46 Well, that's not answering my-

Wil Sylvince 48:47 And that's how we survive for so long

Dave 48:48 ... my, you understand what my question is?

Wil Sylvince 48:49 K105 FM.

Dave 48:50 No, you, you're just saying you had a-

Wil Sylvince 48:52 [laughs]

Dave 48:53 ... you're just saying you had a second shock moment, which is not helping me.

Wil Sylvince 48:56 [laughs]

Dave 48:56 Which is not helping us who are not having shock moments.

Wil Sylvince 48:59 I know, I know. I, I-

Dave 48:59 I'm saying what do we-

Wil Sylvince 49:00 Words that were not-

Trevor Noah 49:01 Will, Will, Will is saying-

Dave 49:01 We're in the church

Wil Sylvince 49:02 ... that was my rock bottom. That was my rock bottom.

Trevor Noah 49:03 Will, so let me explain.

Dave 49:04 Yes. We're saying-

Trevor Noah 49:04 So let me explain

Dave 49:05 ... do we have to wait to rock bottom? How can we, a huge amount of people, 'cause everyone in the world-

Wil Sylvince 49:11 How can Will answer the, yeah

Dave 49:11 ... this sob story you're telling.

Wil Sylvince 49:12 I, okay, I got it.

Dave 49:13 This sob story you're telling.

Wil Sylvince 49:14 [laughs]

Dave 49:14 Everyone is telling it on the internet. Everyone is telling us-

Wil Sylvince 49:17 Okay, I got it

Dave 49:18 ... everyone is telling us about rock bottom.

Wil Sylvince 49:19 If you a woman, you wanna get that shock moment, send a picture of yourself in your underwears to a modeling company and say, "Hey, will you hire me?"

Dave 49:27 That, that's-

Wil Sylvince 49:28 [laughs]

Dave 49:29 And, and why won't you?

Wil Sylvince 49:31 Huh?

Dave 49:31 You know what I'm saying? And give a, and please-

Wil Sylvince 49:34 And why won't you?

Dave 49:34 And please give details on why you won't

Wil Sylvince 49:35 ... yeah. Or, or act like, "Hey, look. This is my friend. They wanna be a model." Do, do-

Trevor Noah 49:39 You know what?

Wil Sylvince 49:39 The thing, the thing is-

Trevor Noah 49:39 I, I hope people, I hope people with low self-esteem are not listening to this episode.

Wil Sylvince 49:43 [laughs] He asked for it.

Dave 49:44 No, but you see what I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 49:45 [laughs]

Dave 49:45 And I'm asking a reasonable thing. I'm saying the world is-

Trevor Noah 49:47 Yes, but what I'm, what I'm saying is-

Dave 49:48 The world is full of shock moments

Trevor Noah 49:49 ... yes, but what I'm saying is this, though.

Dave 49:51 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 49:51 It seems strange to me that you would ask the person who needed a shock moment what people should do if they don't have a shock moment. Because he's told us that he's, he achieved this through shock moments. So I wouldn't assume that he knows what to do without the shock moments.

Dave 50:05 Okay, let's just, let's just place this consult-

Trevor Noah 50:06 No, but maybe the real shock moment was not seeing your bag, was that woman being mean to you.

Wil Sylvince 50:10 Wait, can I say some, can I say something else?

Trevor Noah 50:12 No, you can't say anything else.

Dave 50:12 No, you're not saying.

Wil Sylvince 50:13 Hold on.

Dave 50:13 We're done.

Wil Sylvince 50:14 Hold on. Hold on.

Trevor Noah 50:14 We're done. We're done.

Dave 50:15 This is it for you.

Wil Sylvince 50:16 Dave, you know how many people-

Dave 50:16 You're Port-au-Prince right now

Wil Sylvince 50:18 ... you know-

Dave 50:18 You can't be touched.

Wil Sylvince 50:19 You know how many people have shock moments but still don't do anything about it?

Dave 50:24 Is that a shock moment?

Trevor Noah 50:25 Yeah, that is not.

Wil Sylvince 50:26 Yeah, they, they... Yes. You know, a lot of people hit rock bottom and they still continue to smoke crack.

Dave 50:31 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 50:31 Or, or, or lose everything, their house, everything, their kids, their wife, and still go gamble as soon as they get another dollar.

Dave 50:38 Well, owning a house is not fun.

Trevor Noah 50:39 Yes, but also because quitters never win.

Dave 50:41 Yes.

Trevor Noah 50:44 To those people-

Dave 50:45 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 50:45 ... who have hit rock bottom-

Dave 50:46 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 50:47 ... people who have lost their houses, taking crack, all of it, as they said, dust yourself off and try again.

Wil Sylvince 50:53 Yeah.

Dave 50:54 What I'm saying to you, Will, forget these guys.

Wil Sylvince 50:56 [laughs] Quitters never win.

Dave 50:57 Forget these guys.

Wil Sylvince 50:57 Well, you know what, though?

Dave 50:59 Forget these guys. What I'm saying to you-

Wil Sylvince 51:00 What? Never quit being a winner.

Trevor Noah 51:03 Oh, man.

Wil Sylvince 51:04 So that's what you can't-

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Wil Sylvince 54:09 William.

Trevor Noah 54:09 What does Willner mean?

Wil Sylvince 54:10 W- Willner.

Trevor Noah 54:10 Yeah. What does it mean? Do you know?

Wil Sylvince 54:13 Look it up, Dave.

Trevor Noah 54:14 Willner has to mean something.

Wil Sylvince 54:15 You man of the streets.

Dave 54:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 54:16 You man of the streets.

Wil Sylvince 54:17 You spent your whole life now with Carter.

Dave 54:19 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 54:19 He doesn't... We don't, we don't wanna surprise you. Um, but, like-

Wil Sylvince 54:23 Pull it. Pull it up, Dave

Trevor Noah 54:24 ... no. So he- here's what I'm, here's what I'm saying.

Dave 54:29 [laughs] I can't believe it Unbelievable. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 54:33 Who's the tech-

Dave 54:34 Hey, pull it up there. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 54:35 Who's, who's the tech guy? And let's go to the matter. Dave?

Trevor Noah 54:38 Oh, wow. Look at, this is beautiful.

Dave 54:39 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 54:39 Wow.

Trevor Noah 54:39 So this is, this is amazing. So w- I'm seeing here, um, the surname... Well, I guess it was a surname, so I guess you just have it as a name, but, um, it is a German and Jewish name, which in Yiddish means, um, w- Wilna, Wilna. Um, and it generally means, uh, da, da, da, da, da, ba,

Trevor Noah 55:00 ba, ba, resolute protector-

Dave 55:03 Hmm

Trevor Noah 55:03 ... is, is what it means.

Dave 55:05 Which is what you're currently doing. Yeah.

Trevor Noah 55:08 Protecting us.

Dave 55:08 You're resolute-

Trevor Noah 55:09 Protecting us from Kank

Dave 55:10 ... and you're trying to protect us from our worst self.

Trevor Noah 55:13 From Kank. Can I ask you a question? I'm, I'm not saying this to be facetious.

Dave 55:16 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 55:17 Where do we-

Wil Sylvince 55:17 Facetus. She lives in my building, Facetus.

Trevor Noah 55:19 [laughs] Where do we-

Wil Sylvince 55:20 Facetus, get down here. You got a package.

Trevor Noah 55:22 Oh, you see, but when I do it to him, you see, now I told you.

Dave 55:24 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 55:24 So-

Dave 55:24 I felt sorry for you. Not anymore, Hammer. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 55:28 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 55:29 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 55:30 So where do you think we find the balance in life between living life optimally and living life enjoyably? I'll tell, I'll tell you why I ask this question. Do you know Bryan Johnson?

Wil Sylvince 55:42 Mm.

Trevor Noah 55:43 The guy, Don't Die. He's that dude who's d- doing all the experiments on himself.

Dave 55:48 Oh, the one on Netflix.

Trevor Noah 55:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 55:49 The one who looks like an alien.

Trevor Noah 55:50 That guy, and he's like, he, he, he has scientists take his, draw his blood, like, multiple times a day.

Wil Sylvince 55:57 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 55:57 He, he went... So his, the long version, the short version of his story is he made a lot of money in the tech sector, I believe. Found himself very depressed, almost suicidal.

Wil Sylvince 56:06 Mm.

Trevor Noah 56:06 Was overweight, really struggling in life. Something switched for him, and he was like, "I've gotta, like, fix this." Dedicated himself and his life to science. He's like, "I wanna figure out how to be healthier and live better."

Dave 56:18 Live longer.

Trevor Noah 56:19 Yeah, and live long, but the main thing was not, like, live longer. It's sort of like live healthier, to Wil's point.

Wil Sylvince 56:23 Mm.

Trevor Noah 56:24 Right? So he starts embarking on these experiments, assembles a team, crazy amount of scientists. They draw his blood. They run tests on him. They try and understand the effects of everything, food, alcohol, sleep, exercise, et cetera. And they always try and, like, figure out a more optimal way to do things, right? Now, I, I actually like a lot of what Bryan's doing because he clearly says that, "Look, this is not the answer. It's just what we're finding with myself." Right? And a lot of the things he offers you are actually quite... He goes, like, "Here's what we found is most impactful with sleep." You know? And he'll be like, "This is what's most impactful with working out. This is what is most impactful." All of this stuff is great, but then I bumped into Bryan-

Dave 57:13 Hmm

Trevor Noah 57:13 ... at some event that was happening in Sweden.

Dave 57:16 Illuminati.

Trevor Noah 57:19 Okay. We just call it the hang.

Dave 57:21 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 57:23 Then, [laughs] then it's like 11:00 PM at night. There's music playing and everything. Then I said to Bryan, "Isn't it past your bedtime?" 'Cause he goes to bed at, like, 5:00 or 6:00 PM. Then he's-

Dave 57:37 That's when it's optimal

Trevor Noah 57:38 ... then he goes, "Yeah, but I mean, 'cause I'm out now, I'm doing this work." Then I said to him, and this was an honest question. I said, "Do you ever wonder how much your life is now becoming the antithesis of w- what you're sort of saying?" Because, like-

Dave 57:53 Hmm

Trevor Noah 57:54 ... you're having fun. You've even said it. You're having fun right now, right?

Wil Sylvince 57:58 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 57:59 The reason you're having fun is because you're going against optimal.

Dave 58:01 You're not doing what you're supposed to be doing.

Trevor Noah 58:03 Sleeping at the perfect time is optimal. Sleeping alone is optimal in many ways.

Dave 58:08 Is it?

Trevor Noah 58:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haven't you seen those things where they go, like, you, it's m- like, in-

Dave 58:13 Sleeping alone is more optimal

Trevor Noah 58:14 ... for many metrics, not for all.

Dave 58:15 Okay, yeah, I get you. Yeah.

Trevor Noah 58:16 But for your temperature-

Dave 58:19 Comfort

Trevor Noah 58:19 ... sleep disruptions, all of these things. That's why in, like, you know, when you go to Germany and some Scandinavian countries, when you go to a hotel, they don't have one duvet cover.

Dave 58:28 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 58:28 They have two, even on a-

Dave 58:29 Mm, mm

Trevor Noah 58:29 ... on a, on a-

Dave 58:30 Double bed

Trevor Noah 58:31 ... you know, on a king bed or whatever.

Dave 58:32 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 58:32 It's two.

Dave 58:33 You'd imagine, just quickly, you'd imagine that someone would've developed the technology where you start together, and then through the course of the night, the bl- the, the beds spl- split.

Trevor Noah 58:43 That's actually not a bad idea. So-

Wil Sylvince 58:45 Or you can hire someone to do it while you guys are sleeping.

Trevor Noah 58:48 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 58:48 Sorry. Sorry. [snores]

Trevor Noah 58:52 So what we, what we were chatting about is I said, "You're having fun, right?"

Wil Sylvince 58:55 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 58:55 And he said, "Yes." And I said, "Do you acknowledge that a lot of this fun that you're having is not ideal and is not optimal?" And he's like, "Yeah." And then I said to him, "Could we say that your life is more fun than when you were only doing the experiments?" And he said, "Yes, it is." And then I said, "Now, how do you find the value of that in life?" And that's the question I'm sort of posing to you as I go, we can not eat anything-

Dave 59:21 Yeah

Trevor Noah 59:22 ... unhealthy. We can not do anything unhealthy. We can ... But yo, man, like, monkeys get high sometimes. You know what I mean?

Wil Sylvince 59:31 Monkeys get-

Trevor Noah 59:31 Dolphins get high

Wil Sylvince 59:32 ... monkeys get high 'cause of us.

Trevor Noah 59:34 No, no, no, no, no, Wil. What are you talking about?

Wil Sylvince 59:36 They, the, the stuff with... Dolphins, did you hear about the, the, the, the sharks that's on, that's on cocaine?

Trevor Noah 59:43 There's a lot of-

Wil Sylvince 59:43 The-

Trevor Noah 59:43 Yes, W- there's a lot of cocaine in the water.

Wil Sylvince 59:45 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 59:45 There's a lot of fish that they find with cocaine.

Dave 59:47 Use elephants, elephants, with the marula.

Trevor Noah 59:48 No.

Dave 59:48 I'm saying the marula.

Trevor Noah 59:50 Yeah, m- yeah. Elephants get drunk-

Dave 59:51 'Cause he's gonna give you a-

Trevor Noah 59:52 ... on the marula fruits.

Dave 59:52 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 59:52 Oh, okay, okay.

Trevor Noah 59:53 So there's a fruit that we have in South Africa, and when it ferments, the elephants will purposefully wait for it to ferment, and then they consume a m- like, copious amounts.

Dave 1:00:02 It's called b- bootlegger elephants.

Trevor Noah 1:00:04 And then they get drunk.

Wil Sylvince 1:00:05 Did that elephant go home and beat his kids and his wife?

Dave 1:00:11 [laughs] Ish. Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:00:14 [laughs] So what I'm saying is, where do you, or how do you find the balance between-

Dave 1:00:22 Wait, so how did your, the story with your friend end? So you said to him, "Right now-"

Trevor Noah 1:00:26 No, he, no, he just acknowledged. He was like, "Yeah." He's like, "You make a good point." He said, "I..." 'Cause I said, "In all of your tests, you are able to measure the impact that these-

Eugene 1:00:35 Activities and things

Trevor Noah 1:00:36 ... activities have on your life-

Eugene 1:00:37 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 1:00:37 ... 'cause you can track them. But I was like, but you can't track the, the, the value of community.

Eugene 1:00:42 Fun.

Trevor Noah 1:00:42 You can't track the value of fun.

Eugene 1:00:44 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:00:44 You can't ... Like, whenever I see those stories about people who've lived beyond 100, they'll always go into like, "Oh, yeah, they walk a lot, and they eat well, and they do-"

Eugene 1:00:53 They eat the same shit. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:00:53 But you know what they also all have?

Eugene 1:00:55 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:00:55 They have community. They have a good time.

Eugene 1:00:57 Mm.

Trevor Noah 1:00:57 They have friends. They, they, they all seem like they also lived, like, a full life. So what I'm s- what I'm asking you-

Eugene 1:01:02 Mm

Trevor Noah 1:01:02 ... as Wil, not even challenging you, what I wanna understand is, like, how do you find the balance between living your life fully optimally-

Eugene 1:01:09 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 1:01:09 Right

Trevor Noah 1:01:10 ... and then also, like, indulging when you, when you want to?

Wil Sylvince 1:01:13 Can I tell you this? I started noticing the small things in life that's enjoyable, the stuff that I, I would pass by.

Trevor Noah 1:01:22 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:01:22 Whether it is sit down and really listen to that song that I claim I like, listen to the lyrics, try to pick out the bass, try to pick out the drums, or, um-

Trevor Noah 1:01:32 This is because you can't have cake

Wil Sylvince 1:01:33 ... [laughs] no, but, but they s- we, we, we, we so quick to live like this-

Trevor Noah 1:01:38 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:01:38 ... as opposed to sit down and, and, you know ... Or, like, when I, now when I go for a walk, I'm noticing things about the street, about buildings, about people. You know, you find other ... I f- I've been finding ... Obviously, it's not for everybody. I've been finding other, other things that-

Trevor Noah 1:01:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm with you

Wil Sylvince 1:01:52 ... that I enjoy-

Trevor Noah 1:01:53 I'm with you

Wil Sylvince 1:01:53 ... that I, I, I like. And, or, you know-

Trevor Noah 1:01:55 That you appreciate

Wil Sylvince 1:01:55 ... I appreciate. I'm like, "Wow, life, life is crazy, in a good way." Life is ... There's so much to life.

Eugene 1:02:03 That's how I live my life.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:04 But when you, when you ... Look, I, I, I'm not judging anybody at all. You know that.

Eugene 1:02:08 Judge them.

Trevor Noah 1:02:08 Judge them, though.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:09 Trust me, no.

Trevor Noah 1:02:09 Judge.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:10 But when you drink or you take drugs, you, you y- all that's a blur now.

Trevor Noah 1:02:15 Man, you crazy. Get out of here with this.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:17 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:02:17 This guy's gonna come and tell us about noticing. Man, you, you crazy. You out of your mind.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:23 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:02:23 There's people who will go and do mushrooms. They'll see more than you can ever, like, just see.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:27 Well, I d- well, I didn't say what drugs, did I? Because I do believe some drugs are ... I think marijuana is healthier for you than cigarettes-

Trevor Noah 1:02:34 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay

Wil Sylvince 1:02:35 ... or healthier for you than-

Trevor Noah 1:02:35 So you're not saying, like, just anything

Wil Sylvince 1:02:37 ... than tobacco. I'm not saying-

Eugene 1:02:37 Leave it alone

Trevor Noah 1:02:37 ... okay

Wil Sylvince 1:02:38 ... hardcore drugs or hardcore liquor.

Trevor Noah 1:02:39 You never drank, though.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:40 I don't drink, no.

Eugene 1:02:41 At all? You've never touched alcohol?

Wil Sylvince 1:02:42 No. I, I d- I started drink- I t- I tell, I told you, I started drinking r- red wine when they said red wine is good for your heart.

Eugene 1:02:47 Mm.

Wil Sylvince 1:02:47 And I started drinking a cup a day. Then I started read ... I'm like, "Oh, you gotta drink..." Uh, then I found out r- red wine has resveratrol in it. Resveratrol is the closest thing to the Fountain of Youth. So, so it slows down your aging process, but the amount you gotta drink, the amount of alcohol, alcohol you gotta drink r- red wine to get that-

Eugene 1:03:07 To get that, yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:03:07 ... to get that. So they, they, they make them as supplements 'cause they, it, the, the inside of grape seed leaves, grape ... You know, grape seeds?

Eugene 1:03:13 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 1:03:13 Grapes, grapes, the, the, the inside of the, the skin, that's where they extract the re- resveratrol. And, um, and then I now just take supplements. I don't need, I don't need to drink red wine.

Trevor Noah 1:03:24 So when Wil goes to a restaurant with you, he's insufferable.

Wil Sylvince 1:03:26 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:03:27 They'll be like, "Would you like anything to drink?" And then Wil's like, "I'll just take the glass. I brought my resveratrol myself."

Wil Sylvince 1:03:33 [laughs]

Eugene 1:03:33 And the sommelier comes.

Trevor Noah 1:03:34 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:03:35 But you know, no, so-

Trevor Noah 1:03:36 And then he pours it. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:03:37 Yeah. Oh, here goes another thing. I enjoy water now. Like, like, not, not just drink it for thirsty, but I tasting the water 'cause our taste buds become so, uh, uh, impaired and, and, and, um-

Trevor Noah 1:03:51 Numbed

Wil Sylvince 1:03:52 ... numbed and, and, and, and layers and layers. And water is just, "Wha-, water." But what, when you s- when I stopped-

Trevor Noah 1:03:59 Do you, do you believe in vaccines?

Wil Sylvince 1:04:01 Do I believe ... Like, like, like Santa Claus?

Trevor Noah 1:04:04 Like, do you think people sh- do you think people should get vaccinated?

Wil Sylvince 1:04:06 I, I don't know enough about ... I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying yes or no. Hear me out. Hear me out.

Trevor Noah 1:04:11 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:04:11 'Cause when you about ... Okay, you're going to call me a, a v- a no vaxxer.

Trevor Noah 1:04:14 No, I just wanted to know.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:16 No, I do believe-

Trevor Noah 1:04:16 I just wanted to know who I'm dealing with

Wil Sylvince 1:04:18 ... I do believe vaccines help. And yes, they, they fix, they help save maybe mankind from dying out.

Trevor Noah 1:04:26 Okay, okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:27 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:04:27 No, that's fine.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:27 Right?

Trevor Noah 1:04:27 That's what I was asking you.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:28 But same thing with, like, a car. Car is ... You could take it from A to B.

Trevor Noah 1:04:33 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:33 But a car could also have killed people.

Trevor Noah 1:04:35 Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:36 People use cars in the wrong way.

Trevor Noah 1:04:36 No, there's ... No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:38 So it's people probably making vaccines just for the m- for the money, you know?

Trevor Noah 1:04:41 No, no, no. No, I'm ... I ... That's all I wa- ... No, I was trying-

Wil Sylvince 1:04:43 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:04:43 ... to understand, like, who I'm dealing with.

Wil Sylvince 1:04:46 No, no, no. There's no such thing as all vaccines are bad.

Trevor Noah 1:04:49 No, no, that, that's-

Wil Sylvince 1:04:50 Yeah, no

Trevor Noah 1:04:50 ... that's what I was, I was just waiting to see.

Eugene 1:04:52 So what happened to that girlfriend that told you, "Tank top or polo neck"?

Wil Sylvince 1:04:58 [laughs]

Eugene 1:04:59 What happened to her, the one who said, "You're a man. You can't."

Wil Sylvince 1:05:00 We a- we're actually, we're actually still t- still cool.

Eugene 1:05:03 Are you still dating?

Wil Sylvince 1:05:04 No. No, no. In fact, in fact, one of w- [laughs] one of the reasons why we probably stopped dating is 'cause, um, [laughs] it's gonna sound crazy.

Eugene 1:05:17 Only now.

Trevor Noah 1:05:18 Say it, Wil. Say it, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:19 W- [laughs]

Eugene 1:05:20 Say it.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:21 So, so on my path to be a healthier lifestyle, I, I started cutting down on sex, right? Because I feel like just having random sex with, with random women ... Not random sex, random sex, no, random, random women.

Trevor Noah 1:05:33 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:34 Random women.

Trevor Noah 1:05:34 So the sex wasn't random.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:35 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:05:35 The women were random.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:36 Yeah, yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:05:36 Okay, okay, okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:37 It just ... And I realized I could just smash myself, and then nobody get hurt.

Eugene 1:05:41 Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.

Trevor Noah 1:05:43 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:05:44 Ay, ay, ay.

Eugene 1:05:44 Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.

Trevor Noah 1:05:48 Rock and roll.

Eugene 1:05:49 Awa, ah, ah.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:51 [laughs]

Eugene 1:05:51 Ay, ay.

Trevor Noah 1:05:52 Wil.

Eugene 1:05:53 Listen here, nene.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:55 [laughs]

Eugene 1:05:55 Awa.

Trevor Noah 1:05:56 Rock and roll.

Wil Sylvince 1:05:59 [laughs]

Eugene 1:05:59 Uh-uh. Uh-uh.

Trevor Noah 1:06:00 Ladies and gentlemen.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:01 Wait, hold on.

Eugene 1:06:02 Hey.

Trevor Noah 1:06:02 He killed the ADD.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:03 Hear me out. Hear me out.

Eugene 1:06:04 Can I just say one thing?

Trevor Noah 1:06:05 You did that.

Eugene 1:06:05 One thing.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:06 Hear me.

Eugene 1:06:06 You find me at the back.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:06 Can I just-

Eugene 1:06:07 You say, "Hiya, uh-uh."

Wil Sylvince 1:06:08 [laughs] Can I just say-

Eugene 1:06:09 "Where's your foini?" You went from-

Wil Sylvince 1:06:12 Can I just say-

Eugene 1:06:12 ... you went from random, no consequence-

Wil Sylvince 1:06:14 Can I just say-

Eugene 1:06:15 ... sex to "I can do this myself."

Wil Sylvince 1:06:16 Can I just say- [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:06:17 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:06:17 Hear me out.

Eugene 1:06:18 We're not talking about chai tea here.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:19 Can I just say-

Trevor Noah 1:06:19 Yo, what, what an emotional, what an emotional journey we've been on.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:22 I know.

Eugene 1:06:22 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:06:22 I did not ... I ... There's no way I thought you were gonna say that.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:26 It's Wil. It's Wil.

Trevor Noah 1:06:26 Wil started-

Wil Sylvince 1:06:27 Wait, wait.

Trevor Noah 1:06:27 Wait, wait.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:27 I, Wil.

Trevor Noah 1:06:27 Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:28 And-

Trevor Noah 1:06:28 Just, just to catch, if you, if you're just tuning in, uh, you might be wondering what journey we've been on.

Wil Sylvince 1:06:33 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:06:34 Um, Wil, Wil Sylvince regaled us with tales of how he found himself unattractive when he saw himself in the mirror from behind.

Eugene 1:06:43 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:06:43 And then has now- ... taken us on a journey-

Wil Sylvince 1:06:45 A podcast journey, yeah

Trevor Noah 1:06:46 ... where he's landed at a place where he was losing so much weight that now I guess you were like, "I would hit it from the back." [laughs] He was s-

Wil Sylvince 1:06:55 Now, now we are ... When I'm trying to solve one problem, you start another one.

Trevor Noah 1:06:58 When, uh ... [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:07:00 So now that we have caught up, Will.

Trevor Noah 1:07:01 Whoa, sorry. There was a in between, sorry.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:03 Which was?

Trevor Noah 1:07:03 In, in t- no, I'm saying in you took the turn, because Eugene asked what happened to that girlfriend.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:09 Yes.

Trevor Noah 1:07:10 Yeah, but he's telling us. Yeah. Yes, you answered the question not in the way we thought you were gonna answer it.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:15 [laughs] You surprised me.

Trevor Noah 1:07:17 Yeah. Oh, man.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:18 So look, I, I would-

Trevor Noah 1:07:18 But how did that ... Do you know, did you tell her that, "Oh, by the way-

Wil Sylvince 1:07:22 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:07:22 ... I figured out there's a better way." [laughs] Do you ... I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:25 No, so, so, so there was a point in my life, it's like, I, I don't like lying, right, to, to women or to, to people. I, I, if I, if I call you a friend, why, why would, why should I lie to you? But you know, we lie.

Trevor Noah 1:07:37 But strangers, we don't-

Wil Sylvince 1:07:38 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:07:38 ... you in there.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:39 I, so I won't ... Yeah, I lie to strangers all day every day.

Trevor Noah 1:07:41 Okay, cool.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:42 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the CVS is that way.

Trevor Noah 1:07:46 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:07:51 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:07:53 But- Vaccines, they're great.

Wil Sylvince 1:07:57 [laughs] I ain't say that.

Trevor Noah 1:07:58 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:07:58 So, so it's like, it's like, um, I feel like w- we use people t- just for, for our, for our fix, for our high, whatever that high is, where you just wanna ... You know, and, and, and then we use people. A- and then, and then, and especially when you know this person's into you. You know this person wants you like that, and yet you still do that to them. You still-

Trevor Noah 1:08:19 Yeah, but that's what random people that are not close to us in our lives are there for.

Wil Sylvince 1:08:23 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:08:23 They are Mr. Nickies. "Hey, I'm Mr. Nickies." And then they show up, they're there to serve a purpose, and then when, when they're done, they explode and disappear. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:08:31 Right. The other part of that is strangers, you don't know who the, you don't know what kind of stranger that person is. They come knock on your door, or they come with a, with some kind of weapon. Like, "Yeah, you gonna stop avoiding me now."

Trevor Noah 1:08:42 No.

Wil Sylvince 1:08:42 And now your heart's like-

Trevor Noah 1:08:43 No, no, no, no, no, no

Wil Sylvince 1:08:44 ... uh, yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:08:44 First of all, go back, go back, go back. I like what you were saying though, so carry on. Yeah, so you're saying you have this realization.

Wil Sylvince 1:08:49 So it's like, it's like I, I don't wanna ... A- and al-

Trevor Noah 1:08:51 But what, what I wanna know is which side of the equation did you feel you were on?

Wil Sylvince 1:08:54 Well, okay, let me explain this.

Trevor Noah 1:08:56 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:08:56 Let me pro- let me cle- this probably clear it up. The, the, the, the

Wil Sylvince 1:09:00 amount of level of respect I have for women, right, strangers or not, it, it comes from my dad, right? My dad always said that when you got a good woman in your life, make sure you take care of her.

Trevor Noah 1:09:10 Define good woman.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:11 Good woman. That's a good woman. Just a good, you know a good woman. A good woman.

Trevor Noah 1:09:14 No, I don't.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:15 No, a good wo-

Trevor Noah 1:09:15 I get what you're saying.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:16 No, no, no. How-

Trevor Noah 1:09:16 However you define it.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:17 Okay. Okay, so-

Trevor Noah 1:09:18 No, I'm saying however ... Good for you.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:19 Well, there has to be a, there has to be a base.

Trevor Noah 1:09:21 What's- No

Wil Sylvince 1:09:21 ... your, what's a good woman to you versus a, a bad woman?

Trevor Noah 1:09:25 This is not about me, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:26 Uh, no, not a bad woman versus a good one. I'm saying what's-

Trevor Noah 1:09:29 No, I wouldn't know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:31 You wouldn't know?

Trevor Noah 1:09:31 No, but that's what I'm saying. It's ca-

Wil Sylvince 1:09:32 But people, people-

Trevor Noah 1:09:33 Wil, don't fall into this trap.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:34 Okay.

Trevor Noah 1:09:35 Carry on.

Wil Sylvince 1:09:35 So, so my dad would say, "When, whenever you have a good woman in your life, right, make sure you t- always take care of them. Pay. Even if they make more money than you. The world treat women like shit for a long time. Either they underpaid them or they, they, they, when a crime happened, they don't believe them. Or what were you doing there? What were you wearing?" So it's like, it's like as a kid, I didn't ... I'm like, "What, what is he talking about?"

Trevor Noah 1:10:00 Mm.

Wil Sylvince 1:10:00 And then as I was getting older and watching, and watching, and I, I started realizing, man, we treat women ... And women are the na- they nurture, they, they nurture this planet. You know, without women, where would we be? W- you know? So it's like we treat, we treat a group of people this way.

Trevor Noah 1:10:16 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:10:17 Mistreat them, underpay them, don't listen to their word, say, say they talk too much. You know, w- the whole thing about women talk too much is because in the back of the day, men didn't want women talking, so any little talk, they was talking too much. So now when they get to-

Trevor Noah 1:10:33 How long ago was this?

Wil Sylvince 1:10:34 This, this, as early as '60s, women couldn't talk while a man was talking. You know, women was not allowed to have bank accounts. Women was not ... You, you know, when, when, when people say, "Man, my grandparents, they stayed together t- t- forever. Nowadays, they don't do that." You know why your grandmother stayed with your grandfather? Because she had no choice. She had, she had no money. A- if she left, people looked at her as used goods.

Trevor Noah 1:10:59 I'm gonna clip that and just send it to everyone-

Wil Sylvince 1:11:01 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:11:01 ... who says, "My parents, my grandparents stayed together." That is a perfect clip. Thank you, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:11:06 So, so it's-

Trevor Noah 1:11:06 I'm just gonna use that clip and send it to everyone. I'm gonna design an AI agent that is gonna find people on the internet who say, "I, I'm so proud my grandparents stayed together," then I'm gonna throw that video of Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:11:17 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:11:17 The only reason your grandparents stayed together. Sorry, carry on, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:11:21 A- and, and so your grand- your grandmother had no choice, because, uh, a woman that, a, a, a, a divorced woman or, or a mother was looked at as like, "Oh, you, you obviously didn't learn your lesson." So women stayed in these shitty relationships. And eventually, the, the man came around, 'cause he got too old. Or then, or the people started noticing, so he c- couldn't be ... So then he became a good husband by the time he was 60, 70, 80 years old.

Trevor Noah 1:11:46 So how does this, how does this apply-

Wil Sylvince 1:11:48 So by the time you meet the grandfather, you're like, "Wow, grandfather and grandmother's nice."

Trevor Noah 1:11:51 Wait, but then how does this apply to you and the girl?

Wil Sylvince 1:11:53 [laughs] Oh, I was, I was getting ... So my dad told me-

Trevor Noah 1:11:55 Yeah, and also when the grandfather-

Wil Sylvince 1:11:55 My dad told me, like, you know, treat these-

Trevor Noah 1:11:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told us the dad thing

Wil Sylvince 1:11:59 ... treat your women good, right? So, so now I'm, I'm getting g- I, I'm realizing, wow, this girl-

Trevor Noah 1:12:04 Treats you bad

Wil Sylvince 1:12:05 ... this girl is a nice girl, right? Now, the fact that she told that to me in my face told me like, "Wow, this is a good person."

Trevor Noah 1:12:12 Oh, boy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, nah, bruh. Nah. Nah, nah, nah, my friend.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:15 Let me explain.

Trevor Noah 1:12:16 Nah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:18 Let me explain.

Trevor Noah 1:12:19 Yo, bruh. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:20 Let me explain.

Trevor Noah 1:12:21 Yo, my friend. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, my friend. After you've done a gig- No, my friend ... you're getting adoration, people are complimenting you on a high. No, Wil. Wil, Wil. She just had to tell you. I don't, I don't know who this person is.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:31 Ah, it's Esther.

Trevor Noah 1:12:31 I don't know what your situation was. But let me tell you something now.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:35 [laughs] Shout out to Esther.

Trevor Noah 1:12:36 Let me tell you something now, Wil. Oh, yeah. If you just come off stage-

Wil Sylvince 1:12:40 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 1:12:42 ... and people are high-fiving you, telling you what a great set you've just done. Yes.

Wil Sylvince 1:12:45 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:12:46 And then you get to the person that you are romantically linked with. Yes. And you get ready to give them a high five, and instead they say to you Either wear-

Wil Sylvince 1:12:56 Wear a shirt-

Trevor Noah 1:12:57 Wear a shirt-

Wil Sylvince 1:12:58 Or wear the tank top

Trevor Noah 1:12:59 Or wear the tank top-

Wil Sylvince 1:12:59 Without the stomach

Trevor Noah 1:13:00 Without the stomach.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:01 Right.

Trevor Noah 1:13:04 That, my friend, is not kind.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:05 Okay, let me-

Speaker 1:13:06 Switch roles. Switch roles.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:07 Then-

Trevor Noah 1:13:07 That is not kind

Speaker 1:13:07 If that, if she was a female comedian and you were her husband-

Trevor Noah 1:13:10 That Will, is not kind.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:10 Yeah

Speaker 1:13:11 Oh, her boyfriend.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:12 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:13:12 Yo-

Speaker 1:13:12 And she had just gotten a gig-

Trevor Noah 1:13:13 That is not kind

Speaker 1:13:13 ... and you said that.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:14 Let me as- let me answer his question about the switching roles. We've been treating women like shit forever, so-

Speaker 1:13:20 Ah.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:20 That wouldn't work the other way around.

Speaker 1:13:22 Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:22 So you, a man can't tell a-

Speaker 1:13:23 Who's this we?

Wil Sylvince 1:13:23 A man can't tell a woman that, 'cause w- 'cause we, we-

Trevor Noah 1:13:26 Wait, Wil, Wil, Wil

Wil Sylvince 1:13:27 ... always choose-

Trevor Noah 1:13:27 Wil, Wil, Wil, Wil, wait, Wil.

Speaker 1:13:28 Oh, we always-

Wil Sylvince 1:13:28 Let me a- let me address this now.

Trevor Noah 1:13:29 Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:30 Well, hold on. Can I got-

Trevor Noah 1:13:30 Wil

Wil Sylvince 1:13:30 ... can I get a chance to address this, Hammy?

Trevor Noah 1:13:32 Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:34 So-

Speaker 1:13:34 No, [laughs] wait.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:36 There's no right or wrong way to let someone know what-

Speaker 1:13:39 There is.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:40 Okay, look, to you, to... Look, there's no... Maybe she felt like, "If I don't tell him now, I'm gonna forget."

Speaker 1:13:47 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:13:50 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:13:52 I can't, I can't fault her.

Speaker 1:13:56 You can.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:56 I can't fault her when she, when she-

Speaker 1:13:58 Two things can be true at the same time.

Wil Sylvince 1:13:59 Wil.

Trevor Noah 1:13:59 It's one thing-

Speaker 1:13:59 It was the truth, but it wasn't me

Wil Sylvince 1:14:00 ... okay, it's one thing she told me in front of everybody. Hey, hey, wear, wear a shirt or wear the tank top.

Trevor Noah 1:14:05 No, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:14:06 She told me that in a, in a private space.

Trevor Noah 1:14:08 Wil, Wil, I agree with what Eugene is saying. Two things can be true at the same time, and I think that's, that's very valid and important to remember in life because I think, and this is, e- forgive me if I speak for you, comrade.

Wil Sylvince 1:14:20 Sure.

Trevor Noah 1:14:20 I think this, this is something that we generally are all too comfortable with as society. We just swing from one extreme to another. We love it. We just swing from one extreme to another. All good, all bad. All old, all new. All r-

Wil Sylvince 1:14:40 You're the best, you're the worst.

Trevor Noah 1:14:41 That's... No, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:14:42 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:14:43 So what Eugene is saying is very important. Two things can be true at the same time. A society dominated and controlled by men could have been responsible for the oppression and subjugation of countless women. This is completely true. And a woman, as a human being and an individual not representing anyone else of her gender, can do something to you, who happens to be a man, in an unkind way. Both things can exist at the same time. So what we're disagreeing with is we're going, we're not saying women weren't treated better, no, no, no.

Wil Sylvince 1:15:21 Mm-mm.

Trevor Noah 1:15:22 But we're saying we can't now say this person has an inability to be unkind or be an asshole in a moment because of what has happened to an entire gender. Does that make sense?

Wil Sylvince 1:15:33 Right. Can I address that?

Trevor Noah 1:15:34 Yeah, does this make sense?

Wil Sylvince 1:15:35 Yes.

Trevor Noah 1:15:36 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:15:36 Can I address that?

Trevor Noah 1:15:36 So, so we're, that's what we're saying from the telling of your story.

Wil Sylvince 1:15:39 Right.

Speaker 1:15:39 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:15:39 Maybe you're not telling the story correctly. I'm just saying to you as an observer-

Speaker 1:15:42 Yeah, you said some mean things to her

Wil Sylvince 1:15:43 ... no, this, yeah

Trevor Noah 1:15:43 ... a- as an observer of the story, this is what I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 1:15:46 Can I-

Trevor Noah 1:15:46 'Cause I wasn't, 'cause I wasn't fully there

Wil Sylvince 1:15:47 ... can I address that?

Trevor Noah 1:15:48 Oh, yeah, of course you can.

Wil Sylvince 1:15:49 I think as human beings, even in, in, like, there's no owner's manual on how to handle situations or how to live life or how to approach things in life.

Trevor Noah 1:15:58 There is, my friend.

Speaker 1:15:59 There is.

Trevor Noah 1:15:59 It's called the Bible.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:00 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:16:00 All right? You better read it.

Speaker 1:16:03 But I, I-

Wil Sylvince 1:16:04 There's no owner's manual on how to do things, how to do... So you, we, we go as, we learn as we go for the most part.

Speaker 1:16:10 No, but, no, I definitely think there is.

Trevor Noah 1:16:11 Okay, keep going.

Speaker 1:16:12 But we teach-

Wil Sylvince 1:16:12 For the most part, we go, we learn as we go.

Speaker 1:16:14 No, but, but, but in all seriousness, we teach it to kids for them to become better human beings.

Trevor Noah 1:16:17 We do.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:17 Teach what?

Speaker 1:16:18 Lead with kindness.

Trevor Noah 1:16:19 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:19 But, but it, okay, okay. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1:16:21 That's the basic, basic.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:22 You heard what he said? You heard what he said?

Trevor Noah 1:16:23 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:24 You teach it to kids. If you do not know, then how can you teach it?

Speaker 1:16:28 No, no, no, no.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:29 No, no, hold up, Hammy. Hold up, hold up, Hammy.

Speaker 1:16:30 But every, every child is taught please and thank you.

Trevor Noah 1:16:32 Yes.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:32 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:16:32 That's leading with kindness.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:33 Yeah, but if you... Uh, okay, not every child. That's your assumption.

Speaker 1:16:36 Ah.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:36 That's your assumption. Not every kid is taught-

Trevor Noah 1:16:38 Almost every kid

Speaker 1:16:39 No, no, no, I know they know.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:40 Not every k- hold up, hold up.

Speaker 1:16:41 There, there's no child that's, that's, that's raised in rudeness.

Wil Sylvince 1:16:43 You, what you're doing is you're doing what the KKK, they blanket a group of people-

Speaker 1:16:47 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:16:47 ... this is how they all are. This is how they all are.

Speaker 1:16:50 This guy just said, "You're doing what the KKK-" [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:16:53 You just blanket, you just, you just, you might as well join the KKK.

Speaker 1:16:56 You're like, "Let's get a, let's get a shot of Eugene and Race. He's doing what the KKK did." [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:16:59 You're just like, "This what they all do."

Speaker 1:17:02 Wil just gave the craziest... Yo, if I'm ever trying to win an argument, I'm gonna use Wil's tactics on anyone, bro. You try to mess with me, [laughs] let me tell you what you're doing, mom. You're doing KKK tactics. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:17:16 [laughs] You're s- of all kids, I'm like-

Trevor Noah 1:17:18 Okay, wait, wait, wait, but we derailed you. What's more important, Wil, is, so how did the relationship end? What happened?

Wil Sylvince 1:17:24 Well, well, uh, well, I, I j- I... So it's two d- it's two things, right?

Trevor Noah 1:17:28 Yeah, but then let's go. What happened?

Wil Sylvince 1:17:29 Two things. So the, I wasn't having sex with her, right?

Speaker 1:17:32 From the day she told you wear a shirt.

Wil Sylvince 1:17:34 No, no, no, no. I h-

Speaker 1:17:35 Even before.

Trevor Noah 1:17:36 No.

Wil Sylvince 1:17:36 We, b- no, no. In our relationship I was avoiding having sex with her.

Trevor Noah 1:17:39 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:17:40 Right? Because I, I, I, I was so very, I was very religious and stuff and, and I, I was thinking about, you know, saving my, yeah, yuck. And, [laughs] um, and, and then, and then, and then also, but most important, um, I wasn't sure if I wanted to be in a long-term with her.

Trevor Noah 1:17:56 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:17:57 So that, but, but I knew, like, I knew that if I had sex with her, that's like, oh, oh, so what, what, what's gonna happen? What's do, what we doing with this now?

Trevor Noah 1:18:05 Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

Wil Sylvince 1:18:06 And so I didn't want to have to lie and then now I had to... Because she provided good services to my life. She was honest. She, uh, she made me look good. She gave me some good advice. So I didn't wanna lose this friend over sex, over like, "Oh, nah, I don't wanna have sex with her no more." Does that make sense?

Trevor Noah 1:18:24 So, so, so you could've... Did you tell her this?

Wil Sylvince 1:18:27 No, I didn't, no, I didn't ha- I didn't have that built in me to have that type of conversation.

Trevor Noah 1:18:30 So you didn't wanna lie to her, but you didn't wanna tell the truth.

Wil Sylvince 1:18:33 Yes. No.

Trevor Noah 1:18:34 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:18:34 Yeah, because I, because w- because people like me were looked at as nerds or, or they looked at, "Oh, yeah, he must be gay if he's not d- doing, dealing with women." So it's like I didn't know h- I didn't have the skills-

Trevor Noah 1:18:45 Okay, got it, got it

Wil Sylvince 1:18:45 ... to know how to, how to express this.

Trevor Noah 1:18:49 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:18:49 You know?

Trevor Noah 1:18:49 So you were just like-

Wil Sylvince 1:18:50 And then also-

Trevor Noah 1:18:50 You were just like, "It's over"

Wil Sylvince 1:18:51 ... or, or, no, I didn't say it's over. I, I, I was like, we, it just kind of faded away and stuff. That makes sense?

Trevor Noah 1:18:56 So she, so she saw you- ... lose the weight. So she was dating you when you were, by your words, overweight.

Wil Sylvince 1:19:03 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:19:03 Then you lost the weight, and you were like, "Peace out."

Wil Sylvince 1:19:06 No, no, no, no, no.

Trevor Noah 1:19:06 No, I'm saying that's what it, like, could look like to her.

Wil Sylvince 1:19:09 It looks like... No, we, we broke up before that-

Trevor Noah 1:19:10 Oh, okay, okay, okay

Wil Sylvince 1:19:11 ... before all this weight.

Trevor Noah 1:19:11 Okay, got it.

Wil Sylvince 1:19:11 I told you, I told you it took me another two years to-

Trevor Noah 1:19:13 Okay, got it, got it, got it

Wil Sylvince 1:19:14 ... to change.

Trevor Noah 1:19:14 Okay, so this happened in the two years.

Dave 1:19:15 So after the tank top incident, you guys were still together for two years.

Wil Sylvince 1:19:18 No, no, no, no. I, I took another two years to change the way I think about my-

Trevor Noah 1:19:21 His mindset for food and doing-

Dave 1:19:22 Okay, so but how long were you together before you broke up after the tank-

Wil Sylvince 1:19:25 Probably a month, a month to two, two, three months.

Dave 1:19:27 And what was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Wil Sylvince 1:19:29 We would not... We was... You know, she wanted some penis.

Dave 1:19:32 And?

Wil Sylvince 1:19:32 I, I, I was like, "Oh, man, I gotta go do a show."

Trevor Noah 1:19:35 He was out of, she was out of stock.

Dave 1:19:36 Okay, so-

Wil Sylvince 1:19:36 Out of stock. [laughs]

Dave 1:19:37 Okay, so here- here- here's a woman going, "Yo, let's hook up," and you keep avoiding the hooking up.

Wil Sylvince 1:19:42 Yeah.

Dave 1:19:43 And then how does that situation come to a head? Like, at the end, how does she go-

Wil Sylvince 1:19:47 I- I- It's one of those things that... So relationships escalates because-

Trevor Noah 1:19:51 They do what?

Wil Sylvince 1:19:52 ... the more inti- the more intimate.

Trevor Noah 1:19:53 Huh? Is this, like, racial?

Wil Sylvince 1:19:55 Racial.

Dave 1:19:56 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:19:56 We need a dictionary, by the way.

Dave 1:19:58 Escalate. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:19:58 Escalate. Uh, racial-

Dave 1:19:59 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:19:59 ... relationships-

Trevor Noah 1:20:00 If I... That's one thing I need is a Wil Sylvince dictionary.

Dave 1:20:04 I'm starting to learn that, too.

Trevor Noah 1:20:05 Of the, of your words.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:06 Which, which one?

Trevor Noah 1:20:06 Because now we just added a new one.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:07 Which that?

Dave 1:20:08 What word you want? Escalate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:09 Es- escalate.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:10 Escalate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:10 Escalate.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:11 Yeah.

Dave 1:20:12 So they go high.

Trevor Noah 1:20:13 Es- escalate.

Dave 1:20:13 Yeah, high. Escalate.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:14 Escalate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:14 Yeah, escalate.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:15 What did I say?

Trevor Noah 1:20:16 Escalate.

Dave 1:20:16 Escalate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:16 Which I'm gonna use, by the way. You know me, I take all of your words, bro.

Dave 1:20:18 Freaking good. Escalate.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:19 Escalate is, is not the same thing?

Trevor Noah 1:20:20 No.

Dave 1:20:21 No.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:21 What does that mean?

Trevor Noah 1:20:21 No.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:21 Escalate.

Dave 1:20:22 It doesn't... Go ahead.

Trevor Noah 1:20:22 Escalate is when somebody goes on an escalator and then ejaculates.

Dave 1:20:26 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:20:26 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:20:26 That's escalation. [laughs]

Dave 1:20:31 I thought you were better than that-

Wil Sylvince 1:20:32 Well, well, technically-

Dave 1:20:33 ... because I was like-

Wil Sylvince 1:20:34 ... I was-

Dave 1:20:34 [laughs] I was like, "You're not gonna-"

Wil Sylvince 1:20:34 Technically, I was on a escalate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:36 [laughs]

Dave 1:20:37 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:20:38 Wait, no, escalation.

Dave 1:20:38 No, so yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:20:39 Two mon-

Dave 1:20:39 So, yeah. Two months of avoiding-

Wil Sylvince 1:20:41 So u- usually relationships es- es- escalate because you get... You're doing more things together. You-

Trevor Noah 1:20:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:20:49 ... you're, you're more intimate.

Trevor Noah 1:20:50 Yeah, yeah, completely.

Wil Sylvince 1:20:51 You're more kissing, more p- petting, more, more hanging out in parks-

Trevor Noah 1:20:54 Uh-huh

Wil Sylvince 1:20:54 ... or cooking dinners. So but when that don't happen, it just kinda, it just like-

Trevor Noah 1:20:59 They're opposites

Wil Sylvince 1:20:59 ... two ships that just kinda start-

Trevor Noah 1:21:01 Yeah, I see

Wil Sylvince 1:21:01 ... floating apart.

Trevor Noah 1:21:02 Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Dave 1:21:02 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 1:21:03 That makes sense? So that's what kinda like-

Dave 1:21:04 Then those two ships come fall apart

Wil Sylvince 1:21:05 ... but, but they didn't collide like, "Ah, never again."

Trevor Noah 1:21:08 Okay, got it.

Wil Sylvince 1:21:08 You know, they just like, "Hey, all right, yo, I'll talk to you later," like, you know what I'm saying? It's, it's like one of those relationships.

Trevor Noah 1:21:12 Okay.

Dave 1:21:13 Because-

Trevor Noah 1:21:13 Okay, but, uh, wait, wait, here's my thing. It's two months almost na- of no intimacy. She's asking you. You're coming up with excuses. You're doing a gig. You're going away. You don't feel like it. You have a headache. How does that-

Wil Sylvince 1:21:27 [laughs]

Dave 1:21:27 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:21:27 How does that relationship end? How... Who sits who... There's a woman-

Wil Sylvince 1:21:30 No one, no one-

Dave 1:21:30 No one sit anyone down is what he's saying

Wil Sylvince 1:21:32 ... it's, it's not, it just fades away with-

Dave 1:21:34 Yeah, no one sits anyone down.

Trevor Noah 1:21:34 So no one, no one call anyone-

Wil Sylvince 1:21:36 There's no-

Dave 1:21:37 It's a slow fade

Wil Sylvince 1:21:37 ... conversation. It's a, it's like when you start dating, but nothing's-

Trevor Noah 1:21:40 It's a slow fade, Eugene

Wil Sylvince 1:21:41 ... it's a sl- slow fade.

Trevor Noah 1:21:42 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:21:42 It's like, "You know, hey, we'll go out next week," but it's not the fi- next week is not the final. Versus if you want it to go, "Hey, let's go out Tuesday," or "What you doing Wednesday?" Versus, "All right, yeah, I'll see you, uh, next week. We'll, like, hang out, go to the movies." Or, "Yeah, I'm gonna see my-"

Dave 1:21:54 It's like ghosting in a way, but, but a ghost end. Fade away.

Wil Sylvince 1:22:00 But there's no ghosting.

Dave 1:22:01 No, what-

Trevor Noah 1:22:02 So what-

Dave 1:22:02 No, no, I'm... No, no, it's not ghosting. I'm trying to explain. I'm... Eugene seems to not be getting this idea.

Trevor Noah 1:22:06 No, no, I, I, I... But what I'm trying to say is if this activity that most people enjoy, men and women enjoy-

Wil Sylvince 1:22:13 What, what's the activity?

Trevor Noah 1:22:14 Sex.

Wil Sylvince 1:22:15 Right

Trevor Noah 1:22:15 ... if all of a sudden you feel like you don't wanna do it with that person-

Wil Sylvince 1:22:18 No, it's not-

Trevor Noah 1:22:18 ... but you don't wanna tell them you don't wanna do it-

Wil Sylvince 1:22:19 It's not that you don't wanna do it

Trevor Noah 1:22:20 ... what was it?

Wil Sylvince 1:22:21 I, I, I do- I was too religious.

Trevor Noah 1:22:24 To do it?

Wil Sylvince 1:22:25 Yeah. And I didn't, and I didn't have the w- the skill set to tell her that I was into my religion.

Trevor Noah 1:22:30 But you wanted to do it?

Wil Sylvince 1:22:32 Yeah. Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:22:32 But you didn't wanna do it because of the religion.

Wil Sylvince 1:22:34 But I was, I was... I didn't... Look, if she was, if she was one of these, you know how the girls are like, "Hey, I just wanna hug butt naked, and, and, and I'm cool with that." I'm, "Yeah, all right, cool. Let's do that." I would be down with that.

Trevor Noah 1:22:45 But you didn't know how to, how to, um-

Wil Sylvince 1:22:47 I didn't know how to express-

Trevor Noah 1:22:48 No, I understand. You were dealing with two conflicting issues at the same time. One was your, your new devotion to religion, and then the other one was-

Wil Sylvince 1:22:55 Not new. New religion was since I was born.

Trevor Noah 1:22:59 No, but if that's the case, then, well, why-

Dave 1:23:00 Your devotion to it was new

Trevor Noah 1:23:01 ... then why did you... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your new devotion to the religion.

Dave 1:23:03 Your devotion to it. How you are willing to commit yourself to it.

Wil Sylvince 1:23:06 But, but it's, it's, since I was, I was li- little. I, I, I got weak. Yes, I had weak moments where I was like-

Dave 1:23:12 That's what I'm saying. So your new devotion-

Trevor Noah 1:23:14 That's what I mean. Still.

Dave 1:23:15 So your religion did not include you having sex with anyone?

Wil Sylvince 1:23:19 I, I... [sighs]

Trevor Noah 1:23:20 That's what I'm... But that's what I'm saying.

Wil Sylvince 1:23:21 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:23:21 So I'm saying you were conflicted as to-

Dave 1:23:23 You're not supposed to.

Wil Sylvince 1:23:23 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:23:23 I wanna know what, what changed in life. What, like... You know what I mean?

Wil Sylvince 1:23:26 I, I started, I started [laughs] realizing, um, the religion I was followed was, was all, you know... [blows raspberry]

Dave 1:23:33 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:23:33 [laughs]

Dave 1:23:34 Wait. A religion that tells me I mustn't smash a model.

Wil Sylvince 1:23:37 [blows raspberry]

Trevor Noah 1:23:40 [laughs]

Dave 1:23:40 Some religions are like, "Don't eat bacon." I'm like-

Trevor Noah 1:23:43 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:23:44 [laughs]

Dave 1:23:44 ... "I've dropped religions for smaller, minor, minor inferences. You only eat fish on Easter. [blows raspberry] "

Trevor Noah 1:23:53 Oh, man.

Dave 1:23:53 You had to break up with a model because of religion-

Trevor Noah 1:23:56 Oh, damn

Dave 1:23:56 ... and then you took your walk to the [blows raspberry] .

Wil Sylvince 1:23:59 I didn't, I didn't break up with her. I... Look, I never had experience with relationships, so I never really had ex- like, I didn't know h- what to do w- I, I just never... I di- no one send you to school.

Dave 1:24:09 But what I'm saying-

Wil Sylvince 1:24:10 No one tell you what to do.

Trevor Noah 1:24:10 Yeah, but... Yeah, no, no, I get it. I get it. It makes sense.

Dave 1:24:12 In, in-

Trevor Noah 1:24:12 It makes sense

Dave 1:24:13 ... in, in your dad's words, was she a good woman?

Wil Sylvince 1:24:16 Yeah, she was. Look, 99% of the women that come in my life are good women.

Dave 1:24:21 And 99% of them are gone.

Wil Sylvince 1:24:21 A lot of women are good women. We just, we... Sometimes people, not just men, people treat a certain person like crap, and they m- they become... They, they can't take it no more, and they, and they, and they become whatever they become. You know? But-

Dave 1:24:34 Wait. So if 99% of the women that you be with-

Wil Sylvince 1:24:36 99% in my life

Dave 1:24:37 ... yeah, that you were with were good, so how many of them percentage-wise are left behind?

Wil Sylvince 1:24:42 The what?

Dave 1:24:43 Like, are still in your life.

Wil Sylvince 1:24:45 They, uh, they want to be in my life. They, they welcome to be in my life.

Dave 1:24:47 No, no, I'm saying in that percentage of 99% of women that were in your life were good, how much percent are still in your life now?

Wil Sylvince 1:24:55 But that, that, that's not how life work. People come and go in your life constantly. Like, like, like a ship coming and sails away. People come and go.

Dave 1:25:01 Not in the Strait of Hormuz.

Wil Sylvince 1:25:04 [laughs]

Dave 1:25:05 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:25:06 You know, so, so I, I feel like- We don't ... You shouldn't hoard friendships like you hoard, like a hoarder. You know what I'm saying? If, if it's time for the relationship to go, then, you know, it's fine, but there's no hard feelings. There's no-

Trevor Noah 1:25:21 It just, yeah, it, it, it-

Wil Sylvince 1:25:22 It just, hey, hey.

Trevor Noah 1:25:23 But ... You, okay, but I feel like-

Wil Sylvince 1:25:24 You ever had a, you ever have a f- a friend that you s- you talk to all the time and, and then all of a sudden you just fade? Nothing bad happened. You stop calling each other less though, and then now, now you don't even think about it. Next, you know, six months, you haven't heard from this person, but it's not like, like, "Why?" It just ha- happened naturally.

Trevor Noah 1:25:39 It's a, it's a time, it's a time and a phase in life, right?

Wil Sylvince 1:25:42 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:25:42 Everything has its season.

Wil Sylvince 1:25:43 Yeah, but that doesn't mean-

Trevor Noah 1:25:44 Things, things are happening

Wil Sylvince 1:25:45 ... the person is good or bad

Trevor Noah 1:25:46 ... things are going.

Wil Sylvince 1:25:47 It just-

Trevor Noah 1:25:47 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:25:47 ... you know, and you don't try, "Hey, wait, I didn't hear from you last week. What happened?" No, it just, it just, you know, people just ... Life happens. People just living their life.

Trevor Noah 1:25:58 Wil Sylvince, Life Happens. [gentle music] Don't press anything. We've got more What Now? after this. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Shaved ice by the beach, [ding] a trip to the state fair, [ding] and a throwback flick at the local drive-in. [ding] They're more than just items to check off the summer bucket list. They're also opportunities to earn 2% daily cash back when you use your Apple Card with Apple Pay. Apply for Apple Card now and use in minutes with Apple Pay. Subject to credit approval, Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. [upbeat music] You look like life is good right now.

Wil Sylvince 1:26:49 I do?

Trevor Noah 1:26:50 Yeah, man.

Wil Sylvince 1:26:51 Should I, should I wear the tank top with that stomach? [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:26:55 No, but I'm serious.

Wil Sylvince 1:26:55 Okay. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:26:55 You look, you look, you look good right now. You been on the road? What you been doing?

Wil Sylvince 1:26:58 Yeah. Oh, by the way, when we was talking about,

Wil Sylvince 1:27:00 um, about what was the-

Trevor Noah 1:27:02 The lion king?

Wil Sylvince 1:27:03 The, the, the, the voice about-

Trevor Noah 1:27:05 What voice?

Wil Sylvince 1:27:06 W- oh, the, uh ...

Trevor Noah 1:27:09 Wait, when we were standing there? Rachel.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:11 No, no.

Trevor Noah 1:27:11 Rachel Dolezal.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:12 When we was talking about ... W- was it Rachel Das- ... Oh, no, we was talking about the newscaster earlier.

Trevor Noah 1:27:15 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:16 He was talking all, "Oh, oh."

Trevor Noah 1:27:17 Hot 105.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:18 Yeah, you know-

Trevor Noah 1:27:19 Wow

Wil Sylvince 1:27:19 ... you know who's the king of that? [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:27:22 Who? Who?

Wil Sylvince 1:27:23 Michael Jackson.

Trevor Noah 1:27:24 What do you mean?

Wil Sylvince 1:27:25 Michael Jackson's real voi- "Hey guys, hi."

Trevor Noah 1:27:28 The deep one.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:29 Yeah. That's not his real voice.

Trevor Noah 1:27:30 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:31 His real voice is, "Yo, yo, what's going on? Yo, what's up, player? What's up, player?"

Trevor Noah 1:27:35 Yeah. Did you ever hear his voice, uh-

Wil Sylvince 1:27:36 So you know where you can hear his real voice?

Trevor Noah 1:27:37 In the video game.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:38 Rock, oh, um, um, the one with, with, uh-

Trevor Noah 1:27:43 You can hear it in-

Wil Sylvince 1:27:43 Rock my, You Rock My World.

Trevor Noah 1:27:45 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:45 That in the beginning when he's doing a sketch with Chris Tucker-

Trevor Noah 1:27:48 You know, if you didn't say the lyrics there, I wouldn't have known what song you were talking about.

Wil Sylvince 1:27:51 Why?

Trevor Noah 1:27:52 Wil is the-

Wil Sylvince 1:27:53 Because he also moved out of sync

Trevor Noah 1:27:53 ... if you were, if you were on a game show with Wil, and Wil was gonna sing a song, and then you would have to guess what the song was, you would leave that game show-

Wil Sylvince 1:28:04 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:28:04 ... with less money than you came with in life. I have never seen somebody who has a more-

Wil Sylvince 1:28:12 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:28:14 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:28:14 Okay, you know this song?

Trevor Noah 1:28:15 Complic-

Wil Sylvince 1:28:15 I'm gonna say, I bet you'll know it.

Trevor Noah 1:28:16 Yeah, yeah. Okay, let's go.

Wil Sylvince 1:28:17 You, me, needed, me. You're just the N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage.

Trevor Noah 1:28:25 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:28:25 You, me, needed, me.

Trevor Noah 1:28:30 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:28:30 You're just the N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage.

Trevor Noah 1:28:35 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:28:36 All right, let me, let me sing it.

Trevor Noah 1:28:37 Okay, sharpie.

Wil Sylvince 1:28:38 You, me, needed, me. You're just the N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage.

Trevor Noah 1:28:46 [laughs] Prune no mas?

Wil Sylvince 1:28:49 Is that how you say it in, in, in Zulu?

Trevor Noah 1:28:51 [laughs] Wait, I don't ...

Wil Sylvince 1:28:55 You-

Trevor Noah 1:28:56 I lost more money

Wil Sylvince 1:28:57 ... you, me, needed, me. You're just the N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage.

Trevor Noah 1:29:04 [laughs] You, me, needed, me. Tell me when you give up, and then I'll play you the real song. Just the, another N word on the hit list.

Wil Sylvince 1:29:12 Horse and carriage.

Trevor Noah 1:29:12 Horse and carriage. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:29:15 Play the song.

Trevor Noah 1:29:16 I give up.

Wil Sylvince 1:29:17 [beep] You, me-

Trevor Noah 1:29:22 Nah, that's not the same song. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. You need- [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:29:29 You, me-

Trevor Noah 1:29:29 You sing that song-

Wil Sylvince 1:29:30 Me

Trevor Noah 1:29:31 ... you sing that song so far from what it is- Yeah ... that if you released an album- Yes ... Rihanna wouldn't sue you. She would sue you, yeah. The record label would be like, "We have no, we have no claims on this man whatsoever."

Wil Sylvince 1:29:43 You know what she's saying, right?

Trevor Noah 1:29:44 That was not the same song.

Wil Sylvince 1:29:44 She saying, "You, me, in this relationship, needed me." Mean that, meaning, "I'm the one that's keeping this relationship alive. You, me, needed, me. You're just the N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage."

Trevor Noah 1:29:58 [laughs] Oh, man.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:00 That's what she's saying.

Trevor Noah 1:30:01 Oh, man, Wil. Oh, man, you're my hero, Wil.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:05 It's because I don't have the same pitch? [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:30:08 Yeah, that's part of it. [laughs] That's part of it.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:12 I think you get it, right? You, me-

Trevor Noah 1:30:14 You, me

Wil Sylvince 1:30:14 ... needed, me.

Trevor Noah 1:30:15 Needed, me. No, no, I do get it.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:16 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:30:16 I do get it now. Just the N word on the hit list. No, but when you-

Wil Sylvince 1:30:20 Horse and carriage

Trevor Noah 1:30:21 ... carriage. [laughs] When you ... I think, you know, Trev put it apt- aptly in that you, you couldn't be sued. Rihanna couldn't sue you.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:30 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:30:31 She has no claim against you. Yeah. Whatsoever.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:33 For real.

Trevor Noah 1:30:33 Yeah, you're safe. But, but- Whatsoever ... it's also quite, um, because you ... Did you do that intentionally?

Wil Sylvince 1:30:42 Do what?

Trevor Noah 1:30:43 [laughs] I don't think it's possible.

Wil Sylvince 1:30:47 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:30:47 Basically, he's asking if you jumbled the words up and the tone and the ... D- were you trying to confuse us?

Wil Sylvince 1:30:53 Okay. Obviously I, I'm not a good, that good of a singer, right? I'm not that good of a singer.

Trevor Noah 1:30:57 What a time to make this confession. [laughs] After all of that you.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:02 But, but you get, but you can, you can catch the word you, me, needed, me. You's the N word on the hit list.

Trevor Noah 1:31:09 It's, it's, it's-

Wil Sylvince 1:31:10 Horse and carriage

Trevor Noah 1:31:11 ... horse and carriage.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:11 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:31:11 Can I tell you, I actually like this song Like I, I want this song to exist

Dave 1:31:16 I like the singer

Trevor Noah 1:31:18 That's a song that I want

Dave 1:31:18 The song, you know, I can do without

Wil Sylvince 1:31:19 So my point is, right-

Dave 1:31:21 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:31:21 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:31:22 My point is-

Dave 1:31:23 We picked our best parts. You see what it is with friendship? You only take the percentage you want. [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:31:30 [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:31:30 My point is, when you gotta talk like this and stuff-

Trevor Noah 1:31:33 What a life

Wil Sylvince 1:31:33 ... the king of that was Michael Jackson, right? Did you see the Michael movie, by the way?

Trevor Noah 1:31:37 I told you I haven't.

Dave 1:31:37 No, not yet.

Trevor Noah 1:31:38 You're gonna take all of us, remember? You gotta convince us.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:40 Oh yeah, I'll, I'll take y'all. Y'all be ... You wanna know a thing?

Trevor Noah 1:31:42 I'm, I'm coming on-

Wil Sylvince 1:31:43 Bring your scarf

Trevor Noah 1:31:44 ... I'm coming time number seven. That's when I'd like to come.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:46 Time number seven?

Trevor Noah 1:31:47 You said you're gonna watch it, like, 10 times.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:49 [laughs] Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:31:49 I'll watch it seventh time, please.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:50 Yeah, yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:31:51 I wanna be the seventh time. Where did you watch it, by the way?

Dave 1:31:53 Call your neighbor seven.

Wil Sylvince 1:31:53 I watched it, uh, i- on the East Side of Manhattan.

Trevor Noah 1:31:57 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:31:57 On Third Avenue, yeah.

Dave 1:31:58 It was IMAX.

Trevor Noah 1:31:58 Daytime or nighttime?

Wil Sylvince 1:31:59 Nighttime.

Dave 1:32:00 IMAX.

Wil Sylvince 1:32:01 Nah, I wanna see it on IMAX. Oh, we should go see it on IMAX.

Trevor Noah 1:32:04 Is the, is the, is the acting good?

Wil Sylvince 1:32:05 The acting was so good.

Trevor Noah 1:32:05 'Cause I've seen, I've seen reviews. Yeah, but I've seen reviews that go-

Dave 1:32:08 But he looks like him, doesn't it?

Wil Sylvince 1:32:10 Ca- ca- can I say something that's not a spoiler?

Trevor Noah 1:32:11 Yeah, go. We know what happens in the story-

Wil Sylvince 1:32:13 Okay

Trevor Noah 1:32:13 ... so I don't think you can spoil the movie.

Wil Sylvince 1:32:15 So people are upset that they don't have the, the accusations in there.

Trevor Noah 1:32:18 Yeah.

Dave 1:32:19 Oh.

Wil Sylvince 1:32:19 They, they forget the accusations didn't come into the mid-'90s.

Dave 1:32:24 Mm.

Trevor Noah 1:32:25 Oh, so the movie doesn't cover-

Wil Sylvince 1:32:26 The movie starts when he was a kid and up until early, early, early '90s.

Dave 1:32:30 In his prime.

Trevor Noah 1:32:31 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:32:31 Right? So it's like, it's like no one was t- yeah, they were saying, yeah, he's, he's a little, you know, wacko Jack or whatever because of, of the things he was doing.

Trevor Noah 1:32:39 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:32:40 You know, he likes animals. He was doing sh- you know, going to places in his pajamas. He likes to hang out with kids. But then in the movie, they explain how the whole kid thing happened, and it makes sense.

Trevor Noah 1:32:50 What did, what did they say?

Wil Sylvince 1:32:51 It, dude, he, h- he used to look out the window, watch kids play, and his dad, "Come here, Mike. Get away from that window. Come here and sing this song." So he wanted to be a kid, he wanted to be a child. And so when he, when he, he saw some kids, I think at this toy store, that wanted autographs, and he was like ... He was at a toy store, and he, and he was signing autographs. He felt like a kid. That, that makes sense.

Trevor Noah 1:33:11 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:11 Yo, the mind, the mind is so funny, man.

Trevor Noah 1:33:13 If, so if you, if you were on a jury, would that s- that would suffice for you?

Wil Sylvince 1:33:17 No, no, no. What suffice for me, what suffice for me, three things about that s- or four things about that s- about why I say-

Trevor Noah 1:33:25 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:33:25 ... he's 100% innocent. Um, one, nobody, no other kids from around the world. He, "Michael, Michael, touch me. Mi- Michael, touch me. Michael, touch me." No other kids but these two-ass, greedy-ass kids.

Dave 1:33:41 But the thing-

Wil Sylvince 1:33:41 Nobody else from around the world. No other kids. If you, if you likes what you like, you gonna seek it everywhere you go.

Dave 1:33:48 Necessarily.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:48 That make sense?

Trevor Noah 1:33:50 Okay.

Dave 1:33:51 You. [laughs]

Wil Sylvince 1:33:52 Me.

Dave 1:33:52 Needed me.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:53 Needed me.

Dave 1:33:54 Needed me.

Trevor Noah 1:33:54 Okay, wait. I, I'm, no, I'm liking this.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:55 Right?

Trevor Noah 1:33:56 I'm so ... Don't, don't get, don't get my-

Wil Sylvince 1:33:57 That's number one

Trevor Noah 1:33:57 ... yeah, don't go track.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:57 Nobody else.

Trevor Noah 1:33:58 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:33:58 S- to, nobody else. Number two, um, um, when you look at the kids, right, one kid, the mother took her c- son to Walmart and told the kid, "Go steal something. I'm gonna keep the security guard occupied." The kid got caught by another security guard. The mother said, "Oh, he was sexually harassing me." Walmart had to drop all the charges. You know, when you, when sexual harassment come in, you gotta drop ... The other kid, the f- dad asked Michael for $20 million. He, "I wrote a movie, Mike. Give me $20 million so I can make it." Mike said, "No." A week, two weeks later, "Mike touched my kid." What are the chances of that happening? Then the, then, then here goes the most credible evidence. Two things. One, the legal secretary who was taking notes for the kid, the son, for the kid, the dad, and the lawyer, right?

Trevor Noah 1:34:49 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:34:49 She said, and she quit, she said there was v- writing ways on how to get Michael. One of the ... So, so you remember the kid said he has a birthmark on his penis, right?

Trevor Noah 1:35:00 I don't remember this, but continue.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:01 He has a birthmark in his, in his private area, right?

Trevor Noah 1:35:04 Yeah.

Dave 1:35:04 Oh, now it's a private area.

Trevor Noah 1:35:05 Yeah.

Dave 1:35:06 I mean-

Trevor Noah 1:35:06 Now we got the censored version.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:07 So you know what happened?

Dave 1:35:09 Tell me.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:10 So Michael used to tell the kids, "My bedroom is for b- do not come upstairs in my bedroom."

Trevor Noah 1:35:15 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:15 The, but you know kids don't listen. Kids ran up there.

Trevor Noah 1:35:18 You're saying he knew that kids don't listen.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:19 No, no, no, no.

Trevor Noah 1:35:20 Oh, okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:20 You, we know kids don't listen.

Trevor Noah 1:35:21 Okay, okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:22 One of the k- one of the kids ran up there.

Trevor Noah 1:35:23 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:24 Of course, then saw him coming out the shower and saw him naked.

Trevor Noah 1:35:26 Huh.

Dave 1:35:27 Ah.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:27 And Michael, "What you doing? Get out of here. Get out of here."

Trevor Noah 1:35:28 Yeah, yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:29 Kid ran downstairs, told all the other kids. So that kid took that other kid's story and told it as his own.

Trevor Noah 1:35:34 So that, so that kid that you-

Wil Sylvince 1:35:35 So that's how that kid knew about his friend

Trevor Noah 1:35:36 ... so that kid that ran in and then wa- that-

Wil Sylvince 1:35:38 That ki- nothing, nothing happened that quick

Trevor Noah 1:35:39 ... and then that quickly, and then, like, saw the birthmark that quickly and then-

Wil Sylvince 1:35:42 And told all the, told the other kids.

Trevor Noah 1:35:43 Damn.

Wil Sylvince 1:35:44 And then, and then they ... But that kid, "No, I'm gonna use that in my story." And so they wrote that down. So the legal secretary said, "Wait, I thought you ha- I thought you, your, your thing was real." And they was c- "No, we g- we gonna come up with ways on how to get him." So she quit.

Trevor Noah 1:35:58 You know what's weird about, you know what's-

Dave 1:35:58 Okay, let me tell you one thing I, one thing I suggest the next time you tell the story. Just say you have three ways.

Trevor Noah 1:36:04 [laughs]

Dave 1:36:04 You know what I mean?

Wil Sylvince 1:36:05 Well, you didn't hear the last, you didn't hear the other way.

Dave 1:36:07 There's no need for the fourth way.

Trevor Noah 1:36:08 No, the fourth one you don't belong.

Dave 1:36:09 I, uh-

Trevor Noah 1:36:09 The fourth one-

Dave 1:36:10 Yeah, just say, 'cause three, we are used to three.

Trevor Noah 1:36:12 Yeah.

Dave 1:36:12 Three is good.

Trevor Noah 1:36:12 Yeah.

Dave 1:36:13 I have three ways. You do the three ways. We're with you. And I could-

Trevor Noah 1:36:16 Then you went to the fourth

Dave 1:36:16 ... if you really wanna do four, I could give you one. Like, I, you, uh, Macaulay Culkin hasn't said anything.

Trevor Noah 1:36:22 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:36:22 No.

Dave 1:36:22 The, and you, you know it's-

Wil Sylvince 1:36:23 I, I got one better than that

Dave 1:36:24 ... yes, but that one you, the fourth one you did now-

Trevor Noah 1:36:27 Yeah, the one you said of the kid-

Wil Sylvince 1:36:27 Actually, I know that one

Trevor Noah 1:36:28 ... running into the bedroom.

Wil Sylvince 1:36:29 Nah, I know that one.

Dave 1:36:29 The birthmark one.

Trevor Noah 1:36:29 I didn't even know this story, by the way.

Wil Sylvince 1:36:31 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:36:32 And when you told me this now, I'm a little shaken.

Dave 1:36:34 But, but when you all-

Wil Sylvince 1:36:35 And if it was a small bedroom, I would believe this.

Trevor Noah 1:36:36 Yes. Okay, but the last-

Dave 1:36:36 That he came out the shower and all of a sudden he was there

Wil Sylvince 1:36:38 ... the last and most credible evidence, the, when the FBI siege, you know, s- seize his stuff and went through-

Trevor Noah 1:36:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:36:43 ... all his stuff-

Trevor Noah 1:36:44 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:36:44 ... they found nothing.

Trevor Noah 1:36:46 Mm-hmm.

Wil Sylvince 1:36:46 They found nothing. These, these P- PDF file, files, right, they love to put stuff in their computer, love to save pictures. They found no, no pictures-

Trevor Noah 1:36:56 Yeah

Wil Sylvince 1:36:56 ... of anything. So the FBI like, "We, we got no ca-" That's why nothing happened to him.

Dave 1:37:01 Okay, so-

Wil Sylvince 1:37:02 If, if there was something, they would've released, they would've released these pictures. Like, look at Michael with the, uh ... He, they would've r- trust me, they would've released these pictures.

Trevor Noah 1:37:09 So hold on. W- the whole thing of him being in bed with kids, was that true or not?

Wil Sylvince 1:37:14 Yeah, yeah, but the, you, you're thinking the other way. It's like-

Trevor Noah 1:37:17 No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying ... No, no, no. He has this huge bed

Wil Sylvince 1:37:20 He has kids and they're sleeping

Dave 1:37:21 They just sleep in the bed. But-

Wil Sylvince 1:37:22 Okay. Whoa, whoa

Dave 1:37:23 [laughs]

Trevor Noah 1:37:23 I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true.

Wil Sylvince 1:37:25 I don't know if that's true.

Trevor Noah 1:37:26 Yo, Eugene. Yo, man, this guy-

Wil Sylvince 1:37:28 No, no, no

Trevor Noah 1:37:29 ... bro. I don't ever wanna meet you in court, this man.

Wil Sylvince 1:37:31 I don't know if that's true or not, but if it's, if it's true, if it's true, nothing happened.

Trevor Noah 1:37:37 No. What I'm say- okay. I was getting to my next part.

Wil Sylvince 1:37:40 Right.

Dave 1:37:40 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:37:40 So let's, let's assume that he was not a pervert, but he didn't mind being in bed with kids. Would you let your kid be in bed with him?

Wil Sylvince 1:37:49 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:37:50 Okay.

Wil Sylvince 1:37:50 You asked, you...

Trevor Noah 1:37:51 You-

Dave 1:37:52 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:37:53 ... me-

Wil Sylvince 1:37:53 You know

Trevor Noah 1:37:54 ... needed me.

Dave 1:37:55 The only way-

Wil Sylvince 1:37:56 And what the heck

Dave 1:37:57 ... that you can sort of say, you know a scuba, scuba diving gear?

Trevor Noah 1:38:01 Yeah

Dave 1:38:01 ... is if he was wearing, like, that suit. Do you know what I mean?

Trevor Noah 1:38:03 Like a full-on wetsuit zipped from top to bottom.

Dave 1:38:05 A wet suit. Do you know what I'm saying? But-

Wil Sylvince 1:38:06 But, but you know what that sound like? Sound like someone who's, who, who, who's, who's, who's attracted... That they got wetness to keep them from... You know what I'm saying? That's what that sound like.

Dave 1:38:14 No, I'm saying that this is-

Trevor Noah 1:38:15 Uh, so what you're saying is the real way to show that you're not attracted to them-

Dave 1:38:17 No, no, no

Trevor Noah 1:38:17 ... is to lie in bed naked with them.

Dave 1:38:19 No, no, no.

Wil Sylvince 1:38:19 He did that. He wasn't naked. He was wearing pajamas.

Trevor Noah 1:38:21 This is what, this is what you said, Will. [laughs]

Dave 1:38:23 No, no.

Trevor Noah 1:38:23 Damn. The, the one thing I will say is I'm going to watch this movie.

Wil Sylvince 1:38:26 [laughs]

Dave 1:38:27 Yeah, I mean.

Trevor Noah 1:38:27 I'm tell... I'll tell you now. Before I was like, "Ah, I'll... If I go watch the movie, I'll go watch the movie."

Dave 1:38:31 Yeah. Well, I'll watch this at IMAX.

Trevor Noah 1:38:31 You, Wil Sylvince.

Dave 1:38:32 Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:38:32 Wait. Can I, can I do something?

Dave 1:38:33 You know it's a box office smash.

Trevor Noah 1:38:35 Say it again.

Wil Sylvince 1:38:36 Yeah, it is.

Dave 1:38:36 It's a box office smash.

Wil Sylvince 1:38:37 It made 100-

Dave 1:38:37 Or let-

Wil Sylvince 1:38:37 ... $100 million worldwide.

Dave 1:38:38 The public don't care. The public... It's a huge smash. The public don't care.

Trevor Noah 1:38:41 I'm not saying the public should or shouldn't care.

Dave 1:38:42 Well, can, can I say-

Trevor Noah 1:38:43 No. Can I, can I tell you why?

Dave 1:38:44 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:38:44 Can I tell you why? I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. This, this is, this is something that I've grappled with for a very long time. I wish in society we spent more time discussing or trying to figure out how we deal with retribution, absolution, and a- accusations w- when the systems either don't support us or do support us. 'Cause, 'cause we live in a world where some people are found innocent of a crime but then spend the rest of their lives paying for it because they were accused. Yeah.

Wil Sylvince 1:39:18 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:39:18 We sp-

Dave 1:39:19 Guilty from accusation

Trevor Noah 1:39:19 ... we live in a world where some people are accused of something.

Dave 1:39:21 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:39:22 And even though that accusation never materializes into anything else-

Dave 1:39:26 Mm-hmm

Trevor Noah 1:39:26 ... it could even be a fabrication as an ab- accusation, their lives will never be the same. They carry that thing with them.

Dave 1:39:32 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:39:32 Right?

Dave 1:39:33 Big mark.

Trevor Noah 1:39:33 They're burdened by it. Then we, we also live in a world where law enforcement has shown that it may not have an appetite to pursue certain individuals because they have so much power. And then after, like, decades, someone puts out a documentary and we're like, "Damn, this thing w- " And then the person's like, "Yeah. But I was not guilty the whole time." And you're like, "Oh, yeah, law found you not guilty."

Dave 1:39:53 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:39:53 But remember, the law is really just about finding the right person to find the right argument that means you cannot be prosecuted.

Dave 1:40:03 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:40:03 But it doesn't... or, or indicted, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you are innocent of, of doing-

Dave 1:40:11 Of the crime

Trevor Noah 1:40:11 ... of the crime. So-

Dave 1:40:12 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:40:12 ... so it's this weird world that we live in where some people's lives are ruined because of an accusation. Other people's lives are not impaired because of, uh, uh, you know, them being let off for some reason, or they're found not guilty, or whatever it might be.

Dave 1:40:27 And some people's lives are ruined because of lack of prosecution.

Trevor Noah 1:40:29 Yes. And-

Dave 1:40:29 Yeah, yeah

Trevor Noah 1:40:30 ... so it's like... And that... No. And, and I mean this honestly. I, I don't think there's one fixed one.

Dave 1:40:33 100%. Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:40:33 But I, I wish we spent more time talking about that in society, because otherwise it just becomes this, like, messy-

Dave 1:40:40 You know what? I don't, I don't think the, the Michael one is messy at this particular moment in time.

Trevor Noah 1:40:45 What are you talking about, Willis?

Dave 1:40:47 Because-

Trevor Noah 1:40:48 [laughs]

Dave 1:40:48 ... uh, well, I'm saying at this particular moment in time. People are so... Like, think of them releasing this, this movie.

Trevor Noah 1:40:55 Yes.

Dave 1:40:56 At another time where, like, more... Uh, the world is so crazy now that we're like this thing that Michael did, ah.

Trevor Noah 1:41:07 No, I don't agree.

Dave 1:41:07 No, no, I, w- I, I mean, I'm saying it.

Trevor Noah 1:41:08 I don't agree.

Dave 1:41:09 I-

Trevor Noah 1:41:09 I actually... No, I actually just think-

Dave 1:41:11 I was saying it in a jokey way.

Trevor Noah 1:41:12 Oh, damn.

Wil Sylvince 1:41:13 Oh.

Dave 1:41:14 No. No, but I-

Trevor Noah 1:41:14 You said it, you said it completely seriously to me

Dave 1:41:15 ... no, I was... Right.

Wil Sylvince 1:41:16 Take the scarf off and say it again.

Dave 1:41:18 No, actually, I was-

Trevor Noah 1:41:19 [laughs]

Dave 1:41:19 No. I, I was saying it... No, no. Actually, I was saying it in a... in jest. 'Cause half is real, half is not real. This is the half that I... is real.

Trevor Noah 1:41:28 Yeah.

Dave 1:41:29 Is that the world is so crazy now that my little-

Wil Sylvince 1:41:33 Oh, yeah

Dave 1:41:34 ... it's so crazy.

Wil Sylvince 1:41:35 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:41:35 Yeah.

Dave 1:41:35 There's a war. There's nuclear.

Trevor Noah 1:41:37 I'm with you.

Dave 1:41:37 There's all this. There's islands. There's all this, that I... W- if it was just the Michael thing alone, we would be like-

Trevor Noah 1:41:44 It would stick out

Dave 1:41:44 ... "Oh."

Trevor Noah 1:41:45 Yeah.

Dave 1:41:45 But now it's so crazy that it's like, "Guys, if I like him, ah, well, I don't care."

Trevor Noah 1:41:50 But you see, I actually think it's more the latter. I don't think it's that the world is so crazy. I think now we live in such, um... We live in such silos of everything-

Dave 1:42:04 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:42:05 ... that now everyone just goes into that camp, and then, like, we w- w... In a weird way, it's like we don't grapple anymore.

Dave 1:42:11 Hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:42:13 Because we sort of don't have to grapple.

Dave 1:42:14 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:42:15 Right? Your social media doesn't make you grapple. What it does is it puts you with people who agree with you.

Dave 1:42:20 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:42:21 And it shows you the people that you definitely disagree with.

Dave 1:42:23 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:42:23 It's easy to, it's easy to move on your social media, if you actually think about it.

Dave 1:42:26 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:42:26 This video makes you angry. "I knew they were doing that." This video makes you happy. "Yeah, my team." Those are easy things-

Dave 1:42:33 Echo chambers

Trevor Noah 1:42:34 ... to... Yeah. But, but even one is not an e-... Yeah, yeah. I mean, an, an antagonistic eco- echo chamber, and then I guess one that's, you know, in sync with you. But the thing that we, we forget is the hard isn't going against or for, it's the grappling. One of the hardest things in life is to grapple.

Dave 1:42:51 Hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:42:51 Is the girl who told me this thing a kind person who did a mean thing, or is she a mean person-

Dave 1:42:59 Who did a kind thing

Trevor Noah 1:42:59 ... who did a kind thing? Or is this a kind thing at all? Is it a mean thing at all, or... You know what I mean. I- is me having sex with somebody but not intending a long-term relationship, is that a mean thing, or is that human nature as well? Is, is, is it bad? Is it good?

Dave 1:43:16 Hmm. Grappling.

Trevor Noah 1:43:16 Should I eat some cake and no cake, or should I eat a little bit, or should I not? Or do, do you get what I'm saying? Grappling is one of the hardest things. And I genuinely think grappling is the thing that we don't practice at all anymore.

Eugene 1:43:28 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:43:29 We just don't practice it at all. So the reason I'm saying the Michael thing sort of is, like, just going, like they can release the movie, is because there's enough people who will just go, "Ebra, I'm not grappling at all. Michael's 100% in it. I don't give a damn, and I'm gonna go watch this movie." And then to your point, even in the movie they don't make you grapple. So you come in there-

Eugene 1:43:47 Mm

Trevor Noah 1:43:47 ... ba ba ba ba bada, and then you're like, "Ah, I had a great time. Thank you very much."

Eugene 1:43:51 Yeah, we- yeah, we're not gonna reach those accusations.

Trevor Noah 1:43:53 You didn't, you didn't make me grapple.

Eugene 1:43:54 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:43:54 So I leave this mo- And then there's a ton of people who are like, "I can't believe this movie's out there. How could they, you know, you know, how could they, uh, exalt Michael Jackson after all the shit that he's done? W- this is, this is a travesty." They'll never go watch the movie, but they too will not grapple.

Dave 1:44:09 But they, but but they voted for Trump.

Trevor Noah 1:44:12 No, not necessarily.

Dave 1:44:12 Interesting. Okay.

Trevor Noah 1:44:12 But you find they won't, but they won't grapple.

Dave 1:44:14 Interesting.

Trevor Noah 1:44:15 You know what I mean? But they won't, they just won't grapple, I find.

Eugene 1:44:17 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:44:17 And so I think, I actually think... This is just my, my assertion, but I actually think that's the reason that they can release it, is because the grappling is actually a thing that makes it hard to put something like that out.

Eugene 1:44:30 Oh, yes, for sure.

Trevor Noah 1:44:30 Is when, is when people go, "I don't know how to feel."

Eugene 1:44:35 Mm.

Trevor Noah 1:44:35 If people hate something or if people love something-

Eugene 1:44:37 Yeah

Trevor Noah 1:44:37 ... it's actually quite easy to make it a success.

Eugene 1:44:40 Yeah.

Dave 1:44:40 Okay, what about this?

Eugene 1:44:41 'Cause they're feeling something.

Trevor Noah 1:44:42 You know what I mean?

Dave 1:44:42 I know what this-

Trevor Noah 1:44:42 Like in, like in wrestling is a good example.

Eugene 1:44:44 Mm.

Trevor Noah 1:44:45 In wrestling you have the wrestlers that people hate.

Eugene 1:44:48 Mm, the heel.

Trevor Noah 1:44:49 Right, the heel.

Eugene 1:44:50 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:44:50 And then you have the wrestlers that people love.

Eugene 1:44:52 Mm. No one cares about those ones.

Trevor Noah 1:44:54 But-

Eugene 1:44:54 They care about the heel.

Trevor Noah 1:44:55 No, but I, what I'm saying is people love, you love The Rock when he's the hero.

Eugene 1:44:59 Yeah, yeah. 100%.

Trevor Noah 1:44:59 You hate The Rock when he's the heel. You love John Cena when he's the hero. You hate John Cena when he's the heel.

Dave 1:45:04 Okay, here, here's a question.

Trevor Noah 1:45:04 No, but li- well, listen what I'm saying.

Dave 1:45:06 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:45:06 What I'm saying is what they won't tolerate in wrestling is, like-

Eugene 1:45:12 Indifference

Trevor Noah 1:45:12 ... yeah, the, no, the guys where you're like, "Eh, I don't know how I feel about him."

Eugene 1:45:16 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:45:16 I'm like, "Uh, I don't-"

Dave 1:45:18 It, it has to be extremes.

Trevor Noah 1:45:19 Yeah, because that's an easier thing. Boo. Yeah. But, uh, that one confuses us.

Dave 1:45:27 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:45:27 We don't know what to do. We don't know how to deal with it. And the most important thing I'm saying is we don't practice it. So we cut off friends who, you know... Yeah, I, I found out that they actually like leather goods. They're out of my life. Why? No, because it, I, I, I can't be with somebody who wears a dead animal on them. Okay, so they're out of your life. What about you? Yeah, no, this person, uh, you know, they, they, they, they don't pray anymore before they eat their food. They're out of my life. Then it's like, okay, but the, do you grapple?

Dave 1:45:56 Okay, I get your grappling. Let me just say, okay, let me restate what I said. If we rewind six years ago or so-

Trevor Noah 1:46:03 Yeah

Dave 1:46:03 ... the climate that was.

Trevor Noah 1:46:05 Yes.

Dave 1:46:05 Remember, there was a different climate.

Trevor Noah 1:46:08 Yes.

Dave 1:46:10 L- let's say when, I don't want to phrase them that way, but when wokeness was heavy.

Trevor Noah 1:46:15 Okay, yes.

Dave 1:46:16 A movie like this is the antithesis of the climate in which we live.

Trevor Noah 1:46:20 That's exactly what I'm saying.

Dave 1:46:21 Then what happened was the, people said, "That's over." It, they j- people have just decided it's over. Now, a person who you truly love, Michael Jackson, 'cause a lot of people love him 'cause he was part of their life, you know, that kind of thing-

Trevor Noah 1:46:33 Yeah

Dave 1:46:33 ... in terms of growing up. There's a movie about him. Previously in that time, your grappling thing, you might have been, "Man, I love him so much," but now it's... But now when people have said, "Yeah, guys, you do you," people are like, "Let's make it a box office smash."

Trevor Noah 1:46:48 That's what I'm... Yeah. That's exactly what I mean.

Dave 1:46:49 They're like, "This is not the time to tell me to not..."

Trevor Noah 1:46:52 That's exactly what I'm saying.

Eugene 1:46:52 You know what I mean? Not now.

Dave 1:46:53 Yes, 'cause we just... It, but release this five years before, it's gonna flop because people will be like, "Yeah."

Trevor Noah 1:46:58 Yes, but that's, but that's exactly what I'm saying, and that's what I'm... I'm saying that w- that is one of the worst things that can happen for people because it means a Trump voter cannot grapple with the fact that his family is using the administration to enrich him. You like... 'Cause in South Africa we're comfortable with that. We'll be like, "Oh, that's corruption. We know it very clearly. We see what you're doing."

Eugene 1:47:19 We've seen this thing.

Trevor Noah 1:47:19 In Africa, we're like, "Yeah, we know this. Oh, yeah, and then your kids make billions," and, "Oh, yeah, yeah, you've got contracts coming. Oh, yeah, yeah, this is corruption." And you would even be able to say, "It is corruption, but I still like some of your policies." You, you, you get what I'm saying?

Eugene 1:47:33 I just don't like you stealing.

Trevor Noah 1:47:34 Yeah, but I, I just don't like you stealing.

Eugene 1:47:36 Yeah, but like you stealing.

Trevor Noah 1:47:36 Or I even just acknowledge that you're stealing.

Eugene 1:47:38 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:47:38 But also-

Dave 1:47:39 Or you steal, steal some for us.

Trevor Noah 1:47:40 Y- yeah, but I'm saying, but, but what I... To your point, this is what I'm saying, Dave, is the grappling is the thing that we're losing. And if you can't grapple, it just pushes people, and then almost nobody deals with a reality that's inconvenient for them.

Eugene 1:47:55 Yeah. And I feel like in the Michael Jackson story, he could have been two things at the same time. He could have been this great performer that everyone loved, but he could have had that dark side that only those kids experienced, then everyone else because obviously the number of people that love him were far more and greater than the number of people that accused him.

Trevor Noah 1:48:14 And we also don't know to what degree. That's the thing.

Eugene 1:48:16 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:48:16 That's what I mean by grappling. So Michael Jackson could have been... Again, I'm not saying this is or isn't.

Eugene 1:48:22 Yeah.

Trevor Noah 1:48:22 But he could have been a person where he liked that a kid would occasionally walk in on him naked, because we also know people do this. Do you know what I mean?

Eugene 1:48:30 Mm-hmm.

Trevor Noah 1:48:30 To your point of, like, years ago when Me Too was happening, how many of the stories were, "Oh, the guy would be in a bathrobe-

Eugene 1:48:36 Come out the shower

Trevor Noah 1:48:36 ... when the housekeeping in the hotel would walk in." Then you're like, "Oh, so this is a fetish some people have, is being busted," you know? So that could have been a thing. I'm not saying that it is, and I'm not saying that it isn't, but I, I personally am saying for myself, I, I, I think it's more important to be, like, grappling with that. Like, I love those movies, you know, when it's like a biopic where you go, "Do you, how do you feel after the movie?" And you're like, "I don't know, man. I, I mean, I still think they're one of the greatest artists, and I love... But, ugh, there's one part of the story that, you know, ugh, just made me feel-

Eugene 1:49:07 And, and, and I also think-

Trevor Noah 1:49:07 ... like a, like a certain..." 'Cause, because you know why?

Eugene 1:49:09 Right.

Trevor Noah 1:49:09 Because to be human is to grapple, Wil.

Eugene 1:49:11 And it... I think it would have been more-

Trevor Noah 1:49:12 You get what I'm saying, yeah

Eugene 1:49:12 ... I would have been, it would have been more powerful to show the audiences and people that loved him the scenario that it, he was in and let them decide.

Trevor Noah 1:49:20 Yes.

Dave 1:49:21 No, no, but, but another thing w- w- about that

Wil Sylvince 1:49:24 That part of his life did not happen yet.

Dave 1:49:26 No, no, I'm saying that they could have if they wanted to.

Trevor Noah 1:49:28 Yeah, they ... No, they could have if they wanted to.

Dave 1:49:29 No.

Trevor Noah 1:49:29 You're making it seem like the movie ended 'cause it had to there. They could have ... They chose whatever they wanted to put in the movie.