Wil Sylvince: Grappling with Nuance

1. 0:00 – 2:00

   The funniest way to start a podcast

   1. TNTrevor Noah0:00

      [upbeat music] If you made a website and you need a testimonial-

   2. WSWil Sylvince0:06

      [laughs]

   3. TNTrevor Noah0:06

      ... I'll come on there.

   4. WSWil Sylvince0:08

      Yeah. Depends what you're selling though.

   5. TNTrevor Noah0:08

      The, the amount of times... Can I tell you something? The amount of times I have not eaten something because of Wil, like you are responsible for 50 pounds I do not have on my body.

   6. WSWil Sylvince0:19

      That's a lot. That's good.

   7. TNTrevor Noah0:20

      The amount of times Wil has gone, "Man, you don't need that," when we're on the road. "Man, you don't need that."

   8. WSWil Sylvince0:26

      But he'll eat it later.

   9. EUEugene0:28

      That's weird, innit?

   10. TNTrevor Noah0:29

       This may or may not be true.

   11. WSWil Sylvince0:31

       [laughs]

   12. EUEugene0:31

       [laughs]

   13. TNTrevor Noah0:32

       No, but I'm serious. You know, you know why? 'Cause you, you, you've, you've never judged me. I don't see you judge people.

   14. WSWil Sylvince0:37

       No.

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:38

       But you get into like a very-

   16. EUEugene0:39

       "You don't need that."

   17. TNTrevor Noah0:39

       You get into like a very inspirational-

   18. EUEugene0:41

       It's not a judge.

   19. TNTrevor Noah0:41

       No. Wil gets very, like-

   20. EUEugene0:42

       Oh

   21. TNTrevor Noah0:42

       ... he gets very motivational. Like Wil will be like... And then he'll be... And then start telling you about, like the, the benefits of Omega-3s and fatty acids in fish, and why you should move to fish, and you need this in your body. And then he'll like squeeze. He'll take like a piece of steak from your plate, then he'll squeeze it, then the fat comes out. Then he's like, he's like, "This fat, this go to your heart, man. This go to your heart." And then he puts it back down [laughs] and then he like, "You gonna eat that?" And you're like, "No, I'm not gonna eat that." [laughs]

   22. WSWil Sylvince1:06

       You know why, you know why he used to do also? I, I was, I was a big fan of-

   23. TNTrevor Noah1:08

       This cat, bro. [laughs] No, he does. It's a good thing, but it's when Wil gets into, like healthy food mode, it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life [laughs] because he's so evangelical about it.

   24. EUEugene1:21

       I can see why I listen to 30% of what my friends say.

   25. WSWil Sylvince1:23

       [laughs]

   26. TNTrevor Noah1:24

       [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. I feel like you-

   27. WSWil Sylvince1:44

       [laughs]

   28. TNTrevor Noah1:45

       ... make people uncomfortable with how you dress all the time. No, Wil is like... Why are you even looking at me like that?

   29. WSWil Sylvince1:53

       What you mean?

   30. TNTrevor Noah1:53

       Wil.
2. 2:00 – 11:00

   Why Will dresses like that

   1. EUEugene2:00

      Tell us more.

   2. TNTrevor Noah2:01

      Yo, when we were in Singapore-

   3. WSWil Sylvince2:03

      [laughs]

   4. TNTrevor Noah2:03

      ... we went out. We went-

   5. EUEugene2:05

      [laughs] Why you admitting? Why you... [laughs]

   6. TNTrevor Noah2:07

      We were out in Singapore.

   7. EUEugene2:08

      You are on accused right now, so I'm trying to defend you. We're on trial.

   8. TNTrevor Noah2:10

      You can't defend this man when he's... He's beyond guilty. He is like the, the-

   9. EUEugene2:14

      Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm

   10. TNTrevor Noah2:15

       ... the, you know, like the archetype.

   11. WSWil Sylvince2:16

       [laughs]

   12. TNTrevor Noah2:16

       In Singapore, if you've ever been to Singapore, especially in the summer, it is one of the hottest, most humid places you've ever-

   13. EUEugene2:22

       Does Singapore have winter?

   14. TNTrevor Noah2:23

       Y- yeah, but that's what I'm saying. In the summer.

   15. EUEugene2:25

       Okay.

   16. TNTrevor Noah2:26

       Their winter is just a nice... Their winter-

   17. EUEugene2:28

       Nice and cool

   18. TNTrevor Noah2:28

       ... is what a Norwegian-

   19. EUEugene2:29

       Afternoon

   20. TNTrevor Noah2:29

       ... person would consider a, a warm, sunny day.

   21. EUEugene2:32

       Mm.

   22. TNTrevor Noah2:33

       It was summer.

   23. EUEugene2:34

       Mm-hmm.

   24. TNTrevor Noah2:34

       We went out. Humid. Humid, humid, humid. Humid, like full on everyone sweating everywhere. This man next to me came out in layers. It was so bad that people were taking pictures. So people would come to the shows and stuff, so they're like, "Can we get selfies? Can we get pictures?" They took pictures of us. You remember this?

   25. EUEugene2:53

       Mm-hmm.

   26. TNTrevor Noah2:54

       And then all the people said in the comments on the pictures on Instagram and everywhere was, "Yo, why is that guy dressed like that in Singapore? Who is that man and why is he dr-" It didn't matter where the pictures were posted.

   27. EUEugene3:08

       [laughs]

   28. TNTrevor Noah3:08

       People were made uncomfortable by Wil Sylvince's dress.

   29. WSWil Sylvince3:12

       I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. I like the heat. I love the heat. A big heat fan, but I don't wear scarves.

   30. TNTrevor Noah3:18

       [laughs]
3. 11:00 – 26:00

   Movies, Michael Jackson & storytelling

   1. WSWil Sylvince11:00

      j- it's on me. Watch the movie."

   2. TNTrevor Noah11:01

      When you, when you go back and watch a movie that you've watched before, do you act like you know what's gonna happen to the person sitting next to you? Or do you still act surprised?

   3. WSWil Sylvince11:10

      No.

   4. TNTrevor Noah11:10

      Or do you-

   5. WSWil Sylvince11:10

      I play dumb with myself. I act like, "What's gonna be, what's gonna happen next?" And then when, when they jump, I jump. "Oh, Joe, I, I ..." You know what I'm saying?

   6. TNTrevor Noah11:17

      But no, at some point, once you like seven times and you and even the people in the movie are like, "Hey, bruh. Hey, Wil."

   7. WSWil Sylvince11:22

      [laughs]

   8. EUEugene11:23

      [laughs]

   9. TNTrevor Noah11:23

      "Hey, yo, Wil."

   10. WSWil Sylvince11:24

       No, but you know, y- I, I do this thing with my mind where I, I pretend I didn't see it so I could, I ... It's almost the same reason why we keep chasing, uh, not to get crazy, why crack-

   11. TNTrevor Noah11:35

       What?

   12. WSWil Sylvince11:35

       ... heads keep sh- smoking crack. They chasing that first high.

   13. TNTrevor Noah11:37

       Okay.

   14. WSWil Sylvince11:38

       Or, or, or when you, wh- uh, I'm not sure this works. When you have sex 'cause you keep chasing that first part, that, the first time. Or when you keep chasing ... So I watch a movie and try to chase that first feeling I had.

   15. TNTrevor Noah11:49

       Has it ever worked?

   16. WSWil Sylvince11:50

       Yeah. Yeah, dude.

   17. TNTrevor Noah11:51

       Which, which movie got better the more you watched it?

   18. WSWil Sylvince11:53

       Because you blank, you, you blank yourself out of what happened. You know?

   19. TNTrevor Noah11:55

       Which movie did you ... Which movie have you watched that got better the more you watched it?

   20. WSWil Sylvince11:59

       Uh, J- uh, Django Unchained.

   21. TNTrevor Noah12:03

       Okay.

   22. WSWil Sylvince12:03

       Because Django Unchained actually I was actually upset and mad because they said it was a r- uh, w- for a real story. And then I looked it up and like, oh, there's, it's a fake story.

   23. TNTrevor Noah12:13

       Yeah.

   24. WSWil Sylvince12:13

       And then once I got that out my system, I, I went back to rewatch and, and I enjoyed, I'm like, "Oh, it's actually It's just a, a good film. It's a great film

   25. TNTrevor Noah12:21

       You know, it's crazy that they can do that, right? You know, there's a, there's a difference between based on a true story-

   26. WSWil Sylvince12:26

       And a true story

   27. TNTrevor Noah12:27

       ... and a true story.

   28. WSWil Sylvince12:28

       Yeah

   29. TNTrevor Noah12:28

       And inspired by a true story.

   30. WSWil Sylvince12:30

       Yeah
4. 26:00 – 40:00

   Losing 70 pounds

   1. TNTrevor Noah26:00

      man is-

   2. WSWil Sylvince26:00

      Why would I be like-

   3. TNTrevor Noah26:01

      ... insane

   4. WSWil Sylvince26:01

      ... why would ... [laughs] my man, you don't know my friends. I don't got, I can't be 100%-

   5. TNTrevor Noah26:06

      You know-

   6. WSWil Sylvince26:06

      ... with my friends

   7. TNTrevor Noah26:06

      ... I wouldn't, I wouldn't-

   8. WSWil Sylvince26:07

      No ways

   9. TNTrevor Noah26:07

      ... I wouldn't believe you-

   10. WSWil Sylvince26:09

       If?

   11. TNTrevor Noah26:09

       No, I wouldn't believe what Wil is telling us-

   12. WSWil Sylvince26:11

       Mm-hmm

   13. TNTrevor Noah26:11

       ... if you also hadn't lost, like, 100 pounds.

   14. WSWil Sylvince26:14

       But that's what I'm telling you.

   15. TNTrevor Noah26:15

       No, no, no, no, no. I'm letting-

   16. WSWil Sylvince26:16

       No, you didn't tell that

   17. TNTrevor Noah26:16

       ... I'm on your side.

   18. WSWil Sylvince26:17

       Oh.

   19. TNTrevor Noah26:17

       Don't fight with me.

   20. WSWil Sylvince26:18

       Oh.

   21. TNTrevor Noah26:18

       I'm saying I'm on your side here.

   22. WSWil Sylvince26:20

       I'm not, right.

   23. TNTrevor Noah26:21

       I'm saying.

   24. WSWil Sylvince26:21

       I used to weigh 220 pounds.

   25. TNTrevor Noah26:22

       Yes.

   26. WSWil Sylvince26:23

       Another thing about it, I used to weigh 220 pounds, right? And then, and then, and then-

   27. TNTrevor Noah26:26

       Why is that figure so round? Why, why wasn't it 122 to one point-

   28. WSWil Sylvince26:30

       No, no. I, that's the last time I we-

   29. TNTrevor Noah26:31

       4FM in the AM-

   30. WSWil Sylvince26:31

       ... when I we-
5. 40:00 – 55:00

   Food, discipline and changing your life

   1. WSWil Sylvince40:00

      Last y- last year, two years ago.

   2. DADave40:02

      Huh?

   3. TNTrevor Noah40:03

      What's it, what's it like when you go?

   4. WSWil Sylvince40:04

      Um-

   5. DADave40:05

      That long

   6. WSWil Sylvince40:06

      ... I w- I... It's nice. I go to... Well, the Port-au-Prince i- is, is, you know, is, is not doing well.

   7. TNTrevor Noah40:14

      That's-

   8. WSWil Sylvince40:14

      But-

   9. TNTrevor Noah40:14

      Is that the part that's overrun by gangs-

   10. WSWil Sylvince40:16

       By gangs, yeah

   11. TNTrevor Noah40:16

       ... and... Okay.

   12. WSWil Sylvince40:17

       Yeah. So imagine, like, America, New York City's overrun by gang. But the rest-

   13. TNTrevor Noah40:23

       It's fine

   14. WSWil Sylvince40:23

       ... you know, Fl- Miami's still good.

   15. TNTrevor Noah40:25

       Oh, okay.

   16. WSWil Sylvince40:25

       You know-

   17. TNTrevor Noah40:26

       Okay

   18. WSWil Sylvince40:26

       ... Boston's still good. Like, it, you know-

   19. TNTrevor Noah40:28

       Yeah, when you see it in the news, it's like, don't go to... Haiti as a whole-

   20. WSWil Sylvince40:31

       All of it

   21. TNTrevor Noah40:32

       ... is all just a war zone.

   22. WSWil Sylvince40:33

       But if you look at the news, uh, for a long time in the '80s, '70s, '80s, '90s, America would... These countries, they only show you the bad part. They only show the ba- bad part. They won't show you, oh, but on... And if you fly into this part of town, the sun is out. It's, it's-

   23. TNTrevor Noah40:47

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   24. WSWil Sylvince40:47

       Yeah.

   25. TNTrevor Noah40:47

       Okay.

   26. WSWil Sylvince40:47

       They only show you the bad part. So what I was saying was, when I get around my friends, I got teased a lot. Like, "Look at Wil eating, eating trees and leaves and stuff," you know? Uh, you know-

   27. TNTrevor Noah40:59

       Oh, so now that you've s-

   28. WSWil Sylvince41:00

       Sh- shout out to Keith Robinson, who always tease me.

   29. TNTrevor Noah41:02

       [laughs] Keith.

   30. WSWil Sylvince41:02

       And, and so I, I had to-
6. 55:00 – 1:09:00

   Living healthier without obsessing

   1. TNTrevor Noah55:00

      ba, ba, resolute protector-

   2. DADave55:03

      Hmm

   3. TNTrevor Noah55:03

      ... is, is what it means.

   4. DADave55:05

      Which is what you're currently doing. Yeah.

   5. TNTrevor Noah55:08

      Protecting us.

   6. DADave55:08

      You're resolute-

   7. TNTrevor Noah55:09

      Protecting us from Kank

   8. DADave55:10

      ... and you're trying to protect us from our worst self.

   9. TNTrevor Noah55:13

      From Kank. Can I ask you a question? I'm, I'm not saying this to be facetious.

   10. DADave55:16

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TNTrevor Noah55:17

       Where do we-

   12. WSWil Sylvince55:17

       Facetus. She lives in my building, Facetus.

   13. TNTrevor Noah55:19

       [laughs] Where do we-

   14. WSWil Sylvince55:20

       Facetus, get down here. You got a package.

   15. TNTrevor Noah55:22

       Oh, you see, but when I do it to him, you see, now I told you.

   16. DADave55:24

       [laughs]

   17. TNTrevor Noah55:24

       So-

   18. DADave55:24

       I felt sorry for you. Not anymore, Hammer. [laughs]

   19. TNTrevor Noah55:28

       [laughs]

   20. WSWil Sylvince55:29

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah55:30

       So where do you think we find the balance in life between living life optimally and living life enjoyably? I'll tell, I'll tell you why I ask this question. Do you know Bryan Johnson?

   22. WSWil Sylvince55:42

       Mm.

   23. TNTrevor Noah55:43

       The guy, Don't Die. He's that dude who's d- doing all the experiments on himself.

   24. DADave55:48

       Oh, the one on Netflix.

   25. TNTrevor Noah55:49

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   26. DADave55:49

       The one who looks like an alien.

   27. TNTrevor Noah55:50

       That guy, and he's like, he, he, he has scientists take his, draw his blood, like, multiple times a day.

   28. WSWil Sylvince55:57

       Mm-hmm.

   29. TNTrevor Noah55:57

       He, he went... So his, the long version, the short version of his story is he made a lot of money in the tech sector, I believe. Found himself very depressed, almost suicidal.

   30. WSWil Sylvince56:06

       Mm.
7. 1:09:00 – 1:27:00

   Relationships and honesty

   1. WSWil Sylvince1:09:00

      amount of level of respect I have for women, right, strangers or not, it, it comes from my dad, right? My dad always said that when you got a good woman in your life, make sure you take care of her.

   2. TNTrevor Noah1:09:10

      Define good woman.

   3. WSWil Sylvince1:09:11

      Good woman. That's a good woman. Just a good, you know a good woman. A good woman.

   4. TNTrevor Noah1:09:14

      No, I don't.

   5. WSWil Sylvince1:09:15

      No, a good wo-

   6. TNTrevor Noah1:09:15

      I get what you're saying.

   7. WSWil Sylvince1:09:16

      No, no, no. How-

   8. TNTrevor Noah1:09:16

      However you define it.

   9. WSWil Sylvince1:09:17

      Okay. Okay, so-

   10. TNTrevor Noah1:09:18

       No, I'm saying however ... Good for you.

   11. WSWil Sylvince1:09:19

       Well, there has to be a, there has to be a base.

   12. TNTrevor Noah1:09:21

       What's- No

   13. WSWil Sylvince1:09:21

       ... your, what's a good woman to you versus a, a bad woman?

   14. TNTrevor Noah1:09:25

       This is not about me, Wil.

   15. WSWil Sylvince1:09:26

       Uh, no, not a bad woman versus a good one. I'm saying what's-

   16. TNTrevor Noah1:09:29

       No, I wouldn't know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

   17. WSWil Sylvince1:09:31

       You wouldn't know?

   18. TNTrevor Noah1:09:31

       No, but that's what I'm saying. It's ca-

   19. WSWil Sylvince1:09:32

       But people, people-

   20. TNTrevor Noah1:09:33

       Wil, don't fall into this trap.

   21. WSWil Sylvince1:09:34

       Okay.

   22. TNTrevor Noah1:09:35

       Carry on.

   23. WSWil Sylvince1:09:35

       So, so my dad would say, "When, whenever you have a good woman in your life, right, make sure you t- always take care of them. Pay. Even if they make more money than you. The world treat women like shit for a long time. Either they underpaid them or they, they, they, when a crime happened, they don't believe them. Or what were you doing there? What were you wearing?" So it's like, it's like as a kid, I didn't ... I'm like, "What, what is he talking about?"

   24. TNTrevor Noah1:10:00

       Mm.

   25. WSWil Sylvince1:10:00

       And then as I was getting older and watching, and watching, and I, I started realizing, man, we treat women ... And women are the na- they nurture, they, they nurture this planet. You know, without women, where would we be? W- you know? So it's like we treat, we treat a group of people this way.

   26. TNTrevor Noah1:10:16

       Yeah.

   27. WSWil Sylvince1:10:17

       Mistreat them, underpay them, don't listen to their word, say, say they talk too much. You know, w- the whole thing about women talk too much is because in the back of the day, men didn't want women talking, so any little talk, they was talking too much. So now when they get to-

   28. TNTrevor Noah1:10:33

       How long ago was this?

   29. WSWil Sylvince1:10:34

       This, this, as early as '60s, women couldn't talk while a man was talking. You know, women was not allowed to have bank accounts. Women was not ... You, you know, when, when, when people say, "Man, my grandparents, they stayed together t- t- forever. Nowadays, they don't do that." You know why your grandmother stayed with your grandfather? Because she had no choice. She had, she had no money. A- if she left, people looked at her as used goods.

   30. TNTrevor Noah1:10:59

       I'm gonna clip that and just send it to everyone-
8. 1:27:00 – 1:50:00

   Michael Jackson and public perception

   1. WSWil Sylvince1:27:00

      um, about what was the-

   2. TNTrevor Noah1:27:02

      The lion king?

   3. WSWil Sylvince1:27:03

      The, the, the, the voice about-

   4. TNTrevor Noah1:27:05

      What voice?

   5. WSWil Sylvince1:27:06

      W- oh, the, uh ...

   6. TNTrevor Noah1:27:09

      Wait, when we were standing there? Rachel.

   7. WSWil Sylvince1:27:11

      No, no.

   8. TNTrevor Noah1:27:11

      Rachel Dolezal.

   9. WSWil Sylvince1:27:12

      When we was talking about ... W- was it Rachel Das- ... Oh, no, we was talking about the newscaster earlier.

   10. TNTrevor Noah1:27:15

       Yeah.

   11. WSWil Sylvince1:27:16

       He was talking all, "Oh, oh."

   12. TNTrevor Noah1:27:17

       Hot 105.

   13. WSWil Sylvince1:27:18

       Yeah, you know-

   14. TNTrevor Noah1:27:19

       Wow

   15. WSWil Sylvince1:27:19

       ... you know who's the king of that? [laughs]

   16. TNTrevor Noah1:27:22

       Who? Who?

   17. WSWil Sylvince1:27:23

       Michael Jackson.

   18. TNTrevor Noah1:27:24

       What do you mean?

   19. WSWil Sylvince1:27:25

       Michael Jackson's real voi- "Hey guys, hi."

   20. TNTrevor Noah1:27:28

       The deep one.

   21. WSWil Sylvince1:27:29

       Yeah. That's not his real voice.

   22. TNTrevor Noah1:27:30

       Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

   23. WSWil Sylvince1:27:31

       His real voice is, "Yo, yo, what's going on? Yo, what's up, player? What's up, player?"

   24. TNTrevor Noah1:27:35

       Yeah. Did you ever hear his voice, uh-

   25. WSWil Sylvince1:27:36

       So you know where you can hear his real voice?

   26. TNTrevor Noah1:27:37

       In the video game.

   27. WSWil Sylvince1:27:38

       Rock, oh, um, um, the one with, with, uh-

   28. TNTrevor Noah1:27:43

       You can hear it in-

   29. WSWil Sylvince1:27:43

       Rock my, You Rock My World.

   30. TNTrevor Noah1:27:45

       Yeah.
9. 1:50:00 – 1:57:07

   Picking the greatest Michael Jackson songs

   1. DADave1:50:00

      me in high school."

   2. TNTrevor Noah1:50:01

      Okay, okay. No, then we-

   3. DADave1:50:02

      That makes sense

   4. TNTrevor Noah1:50:02

      ... then we table it.

   5. DADave1:50:03

      So it's like, what, what ... We didn't get there yet.

   6. TNTrevor Noah1:50:05

      But Wil, if this sequel doesn't come out-

   7. WSWil Sylvince1:50:07

      [laughs] What now?

   8. TNTrevor Noah1:50:08

      You owe-

   9. DADave1:50:10

      You, me

   10. TNTrevor Noah1:50:11

       ... me.

   11. DADave1:50:11

       Me.

   12. WSWil Sylvince1:50:11

       Me. Didn't ... Can, can, can I just-

   13. TNTrevor Noah1:50:12

       With the carrot

   14. WSWil Sylvince1:50:12

       ... can I just say something, can I say something with y'all real quick?

   15. TNTrevor Noah1:50:14

       Yeah, do it.

   16. DADave1:50:14

       [laughs]

   17. TNTrevor Noah1:50:14

       What you got?

   18. WSWil Sylvince1:50:15

       So you know how, like, people always compare Michael, "Hey, who's better, Michael or Prince, or Michael and Elvis?"

   19. TNTrevor Noah1:50:19

       Yeah.

   20. WSWil Sylvince1:50:20

       The only person you c- I feel that you could compare yourself with is yourself, right? 'Cause it's not fair to you or it's not fair to the other person. Everybody had their own path and got, got to where they are. You know, the whole, "Hey," him asking me, "How do you get, you know, that, that, that urge to lose?" Eh, I can't tell, you know.

   21. TNTrevor Noah1:50:36

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   22. WSWil Sylvince1:50:37

       So I came up with a list of songs of Michael's, like which is better.

   23. DADave1:50:44

       Are you guys on a first name basis now? [laughs]

   24. WSWil Sylvince1:50:45

       She ... That's the name of the movie, Michael.

   25. DADave1:50:47

       Oh, sorry.

   26. WSWil Sylvince1:50:48

       [laughs] She's Out of My Life or Lady of My Life. You know those, those songs?

   27. DADave1:50:52

       Yeah.

   28. TNTrevor Noah1:50:52

       Oh, you want us to choose?

   29. WSWil Sylvince1:50:53

       Yeah.

   30. DADave1:50:54

       Lady of My Life.

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