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Nothing Beats Phone 4b with Ear 3a

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk Pickle! Remember those? Then they discuss the new Nothing Phone 4b and the Ear 3a earbuds before getting into the upcoming Samsung and Google events that were just announced.

Andrew ManganellihostDavid ImelhostMarques Brownleehost
Jul 10, 20261h 24mWatch on YouTube

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  1. 0:00 – 1:15

    Start

    1. SP

      I grew up in gold country.

    2. AM

      Oh.

    3. SP

      It's, like, where the Gold Rush happened, and so we have a mine that is still operating, um, called the Empire Mine.

    4. AM

      A mime?

    5. SP

      That is... Whoa, you're kind of mesmerizing me right now. [laughs]

    6. AM

      Audio listeners will have to-

    7. AM

      [laughs] Yeah, absolutely.

    8. SP

      Adam was just miming.

    9. AM

      Podcast worst nightmare, the mime. [laughs]

    10. SP

      Yeah. Well, mine is still operating.

    11. AM

      Sorry, a mime podcast would be so funny.

    12. AM

      [laughs]

    13. SP

      [laughs]

    14. AM

      Like, I'm in a box, I'm in a box. I'm still in the box. I can't get out of the box. The box is getting smaller.

    15. AM

      [laughs]

    16. SP

      [upbeat music] Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

    17. AM

      I'm Andrew.

    18. SP

      And I'm David. This week-

    19. AM

      It's the Waveform bros.

    20. SP

      I almost forgot.

    21. AM

      [laughs]

    22. SP

      That's the new intro.

    23. AM

      [laughs]

    24. SP

      Uh, okay, this week [laughs] we've got someone in a pickle, uh, some new Nothing products, Samsung and Pixel event teasers, so we'll talk about what we expect from some of those. A new Twitter video editing tool, and David apparently wants to rant about something.

    25. AM

      A sort of rant, yeah.

    26. SP

      Sort- He wants to sort of rant about something.

    27. AM

      Sort of rant is, probably just means insane rant.

    28. SP

      He wants to crash out about something.

    29. AM

      It's not insane, but-

    30. SP

      I'm ready for it

  2. 1:15 – 6:37

    Did they even test this?

    1. SP

      this?

    2. AM

      I have a positive one today.

    3. AM

      Whoa.

    4. SP

      Oh.

    5. AM

      You mean they did test this really hard?

    6. AM

      They did test this. Yeah, this is, we've probably talked about it on the pod before, but every six months I think of a song, and I can't remember what it is, and I don't know any of the words to it, and I always find myself coming back to the Google Search a Song feature, and it's great every single time. And so-

    7. AM

      Every six months on the dot, like to the minute?

    8. AM

      I actually... Not to the minute, but I did- You can look at your rec- quote, "recent searches," and my last searches were, it's July right now, were December, then May, then January.

    9. SP

      This is the feature where you can just start singing-

    10. AM

      Yes

    11. SP

      .../humming a song.

    12. AM

      Yeah, so if you have the search-

    13. SP

      Yeah

    14. AM

      ... uh, the, the search bar widget and press the mic- the microphone button, then press Search a Song under that, it says you can either play, hum, or sing a song. Um, I basically just mumble a bunch because I'm sure, like many other people-

    15. SP

      Mumblecore

    16. AM

      ... you, you, like, know a song, but you don't actually know the words, but you can still kind of sing along to it with just a bunch of made-up words, and you can do that into the Google thing, and it works-

    17. SP

      Mm

    18. AM

      ... almost every time. It gives you some options, and there's a good chance that one of those options are the thing that you're looking for.

    19. SP

      It's good. Can I-

    20. AM

      What, yeah, what, what was the song?

    21. AM

      [laughs] It, it was a, it was actually a Streetlight Manifesto song.

    22. AM

      Interesting.

    23. AM

      I was trying to find out this morning.

    24. SP

      Um, very interesting.

    25. AM

      Can you sing it for us?

    26. SP

      Wow.

    27. AM

      It's Hand That Thieves.

    28. AM

      The Hands That Thieves.

    29. AM

      The Hands That Thieves.

    30. SP

      I'm starting to think you guys are, like, sponsored by them or something.

  3. 6:37 – 8:17

    Joanna Stern story about Meta glasses

    1. AM

      that Meta is pushing a mandatory software update to stop people's Meta glasses that have their LEDs drilled out. If you cover up the LED, it can fi- it knows that you're doing that-

    2. SP

      Mm-hmm

    3. AM

      ... and therefore you can record without it sh- or you can't record. But people were finding ways to drill out the LEDs-

    4. SP

      Mm-hmm

    5. AM

      ... to kill the light for recording secretly, which is creepy and should never happen. Um, Joanna Stern did a great video on it. We talked about it. Meta even brought it up at the launch of their last pair of glasses. Apparently, they're finally pushing an update to stop people from tampering. I'm hoping that means they figured out how to, uh, anyone who's already done it, be able to tell.

    6. SP

      Yeah.

    7. AM

      'Cause the way they were doing it was this extremely specific way that, like, I guess the glasses couldn't tell it got tampered with, so-

    8. SP

      Yeah, the current was still going through, but the LED was just not there anymore.

    9. AM

      Not showing, okay.

    10. SP

      So the glasses thought that it was still pushing the, the current to the LED, but there was no LED.

    11. AM

      Yeah.

    12. SP

      So I think they probably figured out a way around that.

    13. AM

      Yeah, I hope they found ... I hope this actually works. Um, I still think the light should be red, and I think it should be recording literally any time the camera is accessing information at all, 'cause we saw that stuff about, like-

    14. SP

      On the phone

    15. AM

      ... activating AI or, and that's actually recording stuff, so-

    16. SP

      And it should shoot a push notification to everyone in a five-mile radius [laughs] that says you're recording.

    17. AM

      [laughs] But while I wish it was, you know, those things were still there, give them credit, good step. We'll fix that, or hopefully that's fixed because-

    18. SP

      Yeah

    19. AM

      ... that LED needs to be recording.

    20. SP

      For sure.

    21. AM

      Um, okay. Wait, you mean the LED needs to be lit- Yes ... while recording? While recording. Yeah. Yep. Yes. Thank you.

    22. SP

      [laughs]

  4. 8:17 – 15:06

    Pickle refunds

    1. SP

      Another update. I got an email.

    2. AM

      Yeah, Marques got an email.

    3. SP

      I got a certain email that-

    4. AM

      That's it. That's the news. That's- [laughs] Whoa.

    5. SP

      Yeah.

    6. AM

      Great news.

    7. SP

      There was an email that I ... You know, I get a lot of emails. This is one I, I had paused for a while, and I was, like, trying to remember what it was even about. Uh, but it goes like this: "Hi. I'm Daniel, the founder and CEO of Pickle. We promised Pickle One by the end of June, and we missed that date. That's entirely on us, and I'm sincerely sorry. We have decided to cancel this pre-order batch and refund every deposit. The units need more work to meet the standard we promised you, so we are returning your money now while we continue to build." And I went, "Oh, right."

    8. AM

      Oh, yeah. [laughs]

    9. SP

      "I pre-ordered a Pickle." I did pre-order a Pickle. Remember, like, how many weeks ago was it that we talked about these random-

    10. AM

      Weeks?

    11. SP

      ... AI-

    12. AM

      January.

    13. SP

      Months probably, yeah.

    14. AM

      Yeah.

    15. SP

      These random AI, uh, startups that are trying to do-

    16. AM

      Oh

    17. SP

      ... interesting hardware.

    18. AM

      Well, Pickle was January.

    19. SP

      And one of them was Pickle.

    20. AM

      I don't know, when we... Yeah.

    21. SP

      Yeah, that was one of them.

    22. AM

      Yeah.

    23. SP

      And they, you know, there were some people on Twitter who were sort of declaring ahead of time that they were not going to ship on time, and they didn't, obviously.

    24. AM

      Well, yeah. I- if you forget what Pickle was, we talked about it in January. They were a, a pair of glasses. They were very slim, kind of funky looking. But, like, if, if you think about Snap specs, and think about the, what Pickle showed, these actually looked like glasses. The difference is Snap specs are real. Pickle, no one ever thought was going to be real.

    25. SP

      Fair enough.

    26. AM

      No, that's- Um- ... debatable ... I m- I don't know. They, so they were, uh, what they claimed the world's first sole computer. I was reading back-

    27. SP

      Oh, no

    28. AM

      ... our old [laughs] talk on this, and it's more insane than I thought it was.

    29. SP

      Oh, no.

    30. AM

      First ever sole computer. They were 68 grams, had binocular, full-color AR displays, the widest field of view or brightness of any AR display glasses, lightest personal computer in history. And they had a PickleOS, which was a memory-based operating system that would, through your camera and livestreams, record your memories and turn them into bubbles in PickleOS that you could then look back on. And if it sounds like I just [beep] had a fever dream and went off the deep end, I promise all of this is stuff from the video. And that was in January, and then Daniel Park and them haven't really tweeted since February. And-

  5. 15:06 – 25:23

    Nothing Phone 4b

    1. AM

      yeah, for real, for real. Uh, we, uh, had the Nothing Phone 4b drop this past week. I reviewed it, did a video about it. You can watch that. The summary is the B stands for budget. So Nothing...

    2. SP

      This is, this is-

    3. AM

      I gotta, I gotta get this right.

    4. SP

      I... Jeez. [laughs]

    5. AM

      Okay. So Nothing-

    6. SP

      [laughs]

    7. AM

      ... uh, makes a bunch of phones that are budget-friendly in price.

    8. SP

      Mm-hmm. And that's what the B stands for, right?

    9. AM

      No.

    10. SP

      Oh.

    11. AM

      So, [laughs] they have a flagship phone in their own lineup. It's not a high-end phone, but it is their flagship. That is the Nothing Phone 3, but it is a bit more budget than the, like, premium Snapdragon Elite flagships or whatever. But they also have the A series that is, like, a more budget phone than their flagship.

    12. SP

      But not CMF, which is their budget brand.

    13. AM

      Well-

    14. SP

      Yeah

    15. AM

      ... but it's also the 4a.

    16. SP

      Yeah, so they have a 4a, and they also-

    17. AM

      But the 3 is their flagship

    18. SP

      ... the 3 is their flagship. They haven't done a new flagship because of reasons. Don't worry about that. But they have a 4... Let me just go to the site to make sure I'm getting this right. [laughs] Ramses.

    19. AM

      Um, so but yeah, they have a 4a, and they also have a 4a Pro-

    20. SP

      Oh

    21. AM

      ... which is, like, a more premium but still less than their flagship budget version of their phone. Anyway, don't worry about that. They also now have a B series phone, and that is even less expensive, but they also have a sub-brand called CMF-

    22. SP

      Yeah

    23. AM

      ... that's even less expensive typically than the Nothing phones.

    24. SP

      Yeah.

    25. AM

      My theory was that this was going to be the next high-end pro CMF phone.

    26. SP

      Yeah.

    27. AM

      Um, but, you know, we've talked about this RAM shortage and all the, the memory increase in prices and all this stuff, and I, I don't think they would've been able to get the bill of materials low enough to make another CMF phone for under $300. So-

    28. SP

      I got a tip from a source, uh, after our last episode about this that said that is exactly what was, what happened.

    29. AM

      Well, I feel very validated then.

    30. SP

      It was gonna be the CMF Phone 3 Pro or whatever.

  6. 25:23 – 35:36

    Nothing Ear 3

    1. DI

      Yeah.

    2. AM

      The Nothing Ear 3a, which maybe is also a little confusing because the previous version of this was the Nothing Ear (a) , and now we're on Nothing 3-

    3. DI

      Do they have a 3a?

    4. AM

      ... Ear 3a. No. Um-

    5. DI

      They didn't?

    6. AM

      No.

    7. DI

      Then why is it 3a?

    8. AM

      I don't know.

    9. DI

      To m-

    10. AM

      I would say to match [laughs] the current-

    11. DI

      Match the Ear 3

    12. AM

      ... volume, but that's 4. [laughs]

    13. DI

      But that's 4.

    14. SP

      Oh. [laughs]

    15. DI

      We're somewhat ... Akis needs to answer for his sins.

    16. AM

      Um-

    17. DI

      I need to know

    18. AM

      ... anyways, uh, $99 just like the original Ear (a) . Um, the case looks just like the old one, which I use the Ear (a) at home and the Ear 3... Oh, maybe it's matching the Ear number, so Ear is at Ear 3.

    19. DI

      Okay.

    20. AM

      So that's what it's matching.

    21. DI

      Sure.

    22. AM

      I use the Ear 3s at the gym here at work. I like the case of the Ear (a) better.

    23. DI

      Mm.

    24. AM

      And I really don't feel like there's a huge difference between the two buds, so I would go with the cheap version any day of the week.

    25. DI

      Yeah.

    26. AM

      Um-

    27. DI

      They're good. For what they're priced, they're good.

    28. AM

      No, they're g- they're the earbuds I keep finding myself coming back to.

    29. DI

      Yeah.

    30. AM

      I know I give Nothing a lot of hell [laughs] on this podcast, but for s- whatever reason, those earbuds, I've been using for so long.

  7. 35:36 – 36:47

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    1. SP

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  8. 36:47 – 47:35

    Upcoming Tech Events

    1. SP

      Rules and restrictions may apply. Okay, welcome back. There are some upcoming tech events that we have to talk a little bit about. Not too much, 'cause we're gonna talk more about them when they actually happen, but, uh, the tech companies are Google and Samsung, and they're doing this thing where they're teasing basically exactly what's coming out by showing us what's coming out.

    2. AM

      Correct.

    3. SP

      But not unveiling everything, technically.

    4. AM

      Yeah.

    5. SP

      We can start with Samsung here. Uh, Samsung Unpacked, they have, like, had this, you know, aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while.

    6. AM

      Mm-hmm.

    7. SP

      Now, they have the official Unpacked invitation, which says, uh, it says, "A new shape unfolds." I don't know how you could be any more clear about this.

    8. AM

      [laughs]

    9. SP

      They're going to have a new foldable with a different shape. Um, they even have a sort of a tear-off animation so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be.

    10. AM

      Yeah.

    11. SP

      It doesn't get any more clear than that. Now, we just have to wait to see the actual device, and to see if any of our theories are gonna come true about it being slightly lower priced or slightly more mid-range than their Ultra foldable, which is a little taller.

    12. AM

      I think it will be, because the rumor is that the Galaxy 8 Fold is gonna be called 8 Fold Ultra.

    13. SP

      Yeah.

    14. AM

      And I think this will probably just be 8 Fold Wide or something.

    15. SP

      Yeah.

    16. AM

      Uh, but without the Ultra moniker, and it's probably only gonna have a couple cameras, uh, it's gonna be the mid-range one, I think, which is kinda sad, 'cause I like the passport style better.

    17. SP

      I also think it's kinda sad, but I also think it makes sense only because in Samsung land, and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more pro.

    18. AM

      Yeah.

    19. SP

      Like, pretty strictly.

    20. AM

      Mm-hmm.

    21. SP

      The more cameras it has, the more pro it is.

    22. AM

      Yeah.

    23. SP

      The Galaxy S26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras. If it's a lower-end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras, all the way down to their very lowest-end phones, which typically have two cameras.

    24. AM

      Yeah.

    25. SP

      Um-

    26. AM

      Except for the iPhone Air.

    27. SP

      Well, the, so in Apple land, it's actually kind of still true in Apple land, but the iPhone Air messes it all up.

    28. AM

      Yeah.

    29. SP

      'Cause it's more expensive than the base phone, but it has less cameras.

    30. AM

      Yeah.

  9. 47:35 – 54:10

    Meta new image generation

    1. AM

      might not be an official pyrite crayon, but you could generate a pyrite crayon with Meta's new Muse Image model.

    2. AM

      Jesus.

    3. SP

      Okay.

    4. AM

      Kids these days will never know. The reason- [laughs]

    5. SP

      Wait, that's-

    6. AM

      ... fucking-

    7. SP

      ... AI's the infinite segue glitch.

    8. AM

      That's true.

    9. AM

      Yeah.

    10. SP

      [laughs]

    11. AM

      Yeah, that's true.

    12. AM

      But you could generate-

    13. AM

      Just generate

    14. AM

      ... a segue. Uh, okay, so Meta has finally put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab.

    15. SP

      You say finally like we've been waiting for this.

    16. SP

      Yeah.

    17. AM

      Yeah.

    18. SP

      [laughs]

    19. AM

      More, less that we've been waiting for it, and more that they've spent almost as much as they spent on the metaverse on it.

    20. SP

      Yeah.

    21. AM

      So there's that. Uh, they launched it. It's called Muse AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam Mosseri's very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it, things like that. Um, I... [laughs] He posted it, and all the comments were, like, literally nobody cared.

    22. AM

      [laughs]

    23. AM

      Which is funny. The not funny part is that, uh, because it's very deeply int- integrated into Instagram, you can now, if you're on Meta AI, you can just tag an Instagram post or an Instagram profile, and it will r- you can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add-

    24. SP

      Ew.

    25. AM

      You can add people's likeness into your generated pictures. You can add

    26. SP

      ... landscapes that other people took photos of into their pictures.

    27. MB

      Bad. No, don't do that.

    28. SP

      And it's opt-out.

    29. AM

      Hmm.

    30. SP

      Which is-

  10. 54:10 – 1:01:39

    Twitter’s new video editing tool

    1. MB

      I didn't allege anything.

    2. SP

      [laughs]

    3. MB

      Meta legal department. [laughs]

    4. SP

      All right, well, um-

    5. AM

      Well, other social media news.

    6. SP

      Yep. Nice.

    7. AM

      Twitter's new editing tool, uh, they just announced their video editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. It can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video editing tool on a social media app can do-

    8. SP

      The everything app

    9. AM

      ... which is overlay text and auto-captioning, and, like, green screen effects. And w- where... Is this, 2026, the year of the green screen vertical video recorder? Every phone seems-

    10. SP

      Yeah, because Android just added-

    11. AM

      ... to do it now.

    12. SP

      Android added it into Android.

    13. AM

      Yeah. It... And doesn't Apple have it now also?

    14. SP

      I don't think so.

    15. AM

      What?

    16. MB

      It's in Final Cut, the auto magnetic mask thing.

    17. AM

      Oh, that's like-

    18. SP

      Yeah, but that's same thing.

    19. AM

      This is, like, the, yeah, like, Android has it, so now, like, when you're screen recording, like, everything-

    20. SP

      Reactions

    21. AM

      ... yeah

    22. SP

      Like, you can react to the video behind you.

    23. AM

      Um, and- They're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original [laughs] content. Um, but what really was interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted, nikitabier tweeted this, you know, new tool-

    24. SP

      Who is Nikita Bier?

    25. AM

      He is-

    26. MB

      He's like the biggest product of Twitter

    27. AM

      ... some- something product of Twitter. Yeah. I try not to listen to-

    28. SP

      He has a lot of power

    29. AM

      ... he sounds-

    30. MB

      He's the guy that's texting, texting clavicular.

  11. 1:01:43 – 1:17:06

    David's Rant/PSA about App Intents

    1. AM

      Welcome back. Okay, this is sort of a rant, and also sort of a I understand something now-

    2. SP

      Hmm. Interesting

    3. AM

      ... that I think a lot of people might not understand.

    4. SP

      Does that mean you're seeing both sides of this?

    5. AM

      I'm in the middle. [laughs]

    6. SP

      Oh.

    7. AM

      Okay, so we're all using iOS 27 beta 3, correct?

    8. SP

      No.

    9. AM

      Or not, not all of us.

    10. SP

      I'm using Android.

    11. AM

      Android. All right.

    12. SP

      I am using beta.

    13. AM

      Ellis is not... Okay, are you on beta 3?

    14. SP

      Yes.

    15. AM

      Marques and I are all using- [laughs] ... iOS 27 beta 3. Okay. So something that's been kinda weird in iOS 27 in general, the beta-

    16. SP

      Mm-hmm

    17. AM

      ... is that, you know, we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all this special access to Siri. Siri's the big update in iOS 27, and we've been wondering, you know, is Siri only gonna be good with Apple apps? When I ask questions about personal context, and it only sorts through my messages app, but it can't go through Telegram, it can't go through Signal-

    18. SP

      Mm-hmm

    19. AM

      ... stuff like that. If I ask it to send an email in Gmail, and it just can't do it, it can, like, open Gmail, but it can't do anything else, you know? The big question has been, is Apple gonna try to keep people in their walled garden where if you use Apple apps, everything's wonderful, and dandy, and nice, and clean, and beautiful? And I discovered an answer late last night.

    20. SP

      Okay.

    21. AM

      Um, so as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to, you know, allow their apps to give personal context, all of this stuff to Siri.

    22. SP

      Yes.

    23. AM

      But the current version of Xcode that's in beta does not l- allow you to ship apps with these functions yet.

    24. SP

      Mm-hmm.

    25. AM

      So right now you can do them in TestFlight. So if you have a TestFlight version of an app, you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once everything comes out. Everyone's sort of, you know, not officially reviewing Siri, but everyone's just posting about like, "Here's what Siri can do, here's what Siri can't do," everyone's frustrated. And it turns out we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially launches on, like, the iPhone 18.

    26. SP

      Yes.

    27. AM

      Yeah.

    28. SP

      In September.

    29. AM

      In September.

    30. SP

      Yeah. I think this is something that I've found to be generally true for a lot of, like, a lot of the big iOS updates, you'll see a lot of your apps get that update in September.

  12. 1:17:06 – 1:24:50

    Trivia Scores

    1. AM

      All right. Geez. Um-

    2. AM

      Trivia.

    3. AM

      Trivia. Trivia. [upbeat music] Anyway, Google, support this stuff, because I wanna use Siri better.

    4. MB

      Also, just, just for the record, just for the record.

    5. AM

      Yeah.

    6. MB

      I know how much lime juice to put in chicharrones.

    7. AM

      [laughs]

    8. MB

      It's more about the air fryer time, you know? I just can never, I, 'cause like you, you-

    9. AM

      Yeah

    10. MB

      ... I, there's the perfect, like, temp and time, and you're like, "How much was that the last time?" And it's not like I'm buying a pork shoulder every week, okay? This is, this is... Anyway, guys, I'm in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine. But-

    11. AM

      Hmm

    12. MB

      ... who said-

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      Hmm?

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      Oh

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      ... I'm in a pick- That was pretty cool.

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      It was an English writer.

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      Yes, an English writer from England.

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      Name an English writer.

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      Does spelling count?

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      No. Get it, Andrew.

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      It's pretty easy-

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      I know

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      ... to spell Harry Kane. I don't know what you're talking about. World Cup joke.

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      He's a, he's an, he's a, he's an author with his foot. He writes foot poetry. [air horn blaring]

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      Did you see him trying to talk after that game?

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      It was amazing.

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      He had, like, no voice.

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      The best post-voice.

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      Oh my God.

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      It was pretty awesome.

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