OnePlus is Dead… (In the US)

Marques Brownlee 0:00 At the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill, and I decided that that skill would be juggling. So I-

Andrew Manganelli 0:12 Oh.

Speaker 0:12 Whoa, what?

Marques Brownlee 0:12 At the beginning of the year, I bought-

Speaker 0:14 Wait

Marques Brownlee 0:14 ... a set of three juggling balls. This is what they look like.

Speaker 0:16 How the [beep] has none of us known this?

Andrew Manganelli 0:18 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 0:19 [laughs]

Speaker 0:19 How did I never hear about this?

Andrew Manganelli 0:20 We've talked about juggling at work before.

Marques Brownlee 0:22 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 0:22 Is that what spawned it? I mean-

Marques Brownlee 0:23 So every day-

Speaker 0:24 What? [laughs] Wait, what?

Marques Brownlee 0:24 ... for the past six months, I've been juggling at the end of every day.

Andrew Manganelli 0:27 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 0:28 And what I can report now-

Speaker 0:29 What?

Marques Brownlee 0:29 ... is that I've gotten pretty good [laughs] at juggling these exact three items-

Andrew Manganelli 0:36 Okay

Marques Brownlee 0:36 ... or items that are the same size and shape. So, like, three small oranges, I can juggle really well.

Speaker 0:41 Like hacky sack-sized things.

Marques Brownlee 0:42 Uh, I will, I will demo it for you.

Andrew Manganelli 0:44 I would like to see.

Speaker 0:45 Wait. [upbeat music]

Marques Brownlee 0:49 What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

Andrew Manganelli 0:54 I'm Andrew.

Speaker 0:55 And I'm David.

Marques Brownlee 0:56 Big week. It is the middle of July, and sometimes we get random big weeks in the middle of July. I think this will be a banger. It might be kind of a long episode, but that's okay, 'cause there's a lot to talk about. I think we can all agree probably the obvious biggest story of the week, which is the new emojis are coming.

Speaker 1:11 Pickle emoji.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11 I'm so excited. There are Sixers back.

Speaker 1:11 There's new emoji. They're beautiful. There's a pickle.

Marques Brownlee 1:15 I guess-

Andrew Manganelli 1:15 Am I ... Right?

Marques Brownlee 1:16 I guess we, I guess we don't all agree on the biggest story, so we'll get to all that stuff. If you, if you slow it down and listen to all those things, you probably, uh ... You're in for a g- for a good one.

Speaker 1:24 I am.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:26 [laughs] And at the end, we have a recommendation game, 'cause that's also one of the things that we planned on doing this week before we knew it would be a banger. Uh, but first ... Did David test

Marques Brownlee 1:35 this?

Andrew Manganelli 1:35 Does anyone have one? 'Cause I have the most niche one possible.

Marques Brownlee 1:39 I-

Speaker 1:39 People always, like-

Marques Brownlee 1:40 ... thought I had one today, but I don't

Speaker 1:42 ... the ones at me, and they're always bad.

Andrew Manganelli 1:43 [laughs] Okay. Well, stop tweeting at David, is what he's saying, I guess. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:47 Stop talking to me. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:49 Um-

Speaker 1:49 I don't wanna talk to ... I'm kidding

Andrew Manganelli 1:50 ... okay. My issue is with-

Speaker 1:51 Keep tweeting at me

Andrew Manganelli 1:52 ... Gboard

Speaker 1:53 ... if you're nice.

Marques Brownlee 1:54 The keyboard?

Andrew Manganelli 1:55 And it's very specific to where a lot of times when I'm typing and I try and go comma space, I accidentally hit emoji button, sticker button, and then when I go and type again what I'm expecting, there's a bunch of sloth emojis.

Speaker 2:10 Whoa.

Andrew Manganelli 2:10 E- or, like, sloth stickers. Sorry.

Speaker 2:12 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 2:13 And for some reason, I find once a day as I'm typing really fast without paying attention, I'm opening up and just posting a sloth sticker in my messages. Um-

Speaker 2:23 As God intended.

Andrew Manganelli 2:25 Yeah.

Speaker 2:25 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 2:25 Normally I notice it. One time, I was emailing our HR person and said, just wrote like, "Yeah, that sounds great," and then sent a sticker of a sloth saying F- FML above it. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 2:37 [laughs]

Speaker 2:37 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 2:38 So-

Speaker 2:39 Huh

Andrew Manganelli 2:39 ... I just wanna know, does anyone else accidentally send a bunch of sloth stickers in when they're using Gboard?

Speaker 2:44 I've never done that.

Marques Brownlee 2:45 Accidentally, no.

Andrew Manganelli 2:46 Or-

Marques Brownlee 2:46 I intentionally use them all the time.

Andrew Manganelli 2:48 Oh, really?

Speaker 2:48 Sloths?

Marques Brownlee 2:48 The sloth stickers are awesome.

Andrew Manganelli 2:50 Maybe I need to just bring them into my ... Yeah, it's this, it's just a sloth-

Marques Brownlee 2:54 Just sloth every time

Andrew Manganelli 2:54 ... with a rained on cloud saying FML on it. And-

Speaker 2:58 They have the blobs as stickers too. I would use those.

Andrew Manganelli 3:00 Yeah.

Speaker 3:01 The blobs.

Andrew Manganelli 3:02 I'm not a fan of the sloth ones, sorry.

Speaker 3:04 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 3:04 But apparently I use them all the time.

Speaker 3:06 I will say there was, like, a ... This is slightly off tangent, but there was a Slack thread that I was going through from, like, a while back, like years ago, just cleaning out different old messages, and someone had used the blob and I was like, "Damn."

Andrew Manganelli 3:18 Hm.

Speaker 3:18 "That blob was a good..."

Marques Brownlee 3:19 The blobs are amazing.

Speaker 3:20 The blobs are sick.

Marques Brownlee 3:20 The blobs are fantastic.

Speaker 3:22 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 3:23 Well, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 3:23 Well-

Marques Brownlee 3:24 I see them. They're all sloths. I didn't know-

Andrew Manganelli 3:25 All the sloths. You've never seen the sloths before?

Marques Brownlee 3:27 Yeah, I'd never seen those before.

Speaker 3:28 Sloth.

Andrew Manganelli 3:28 I guess I just type too fast and-

Marques Brownlee 3:30 I don't know, Gboard sloths

Andrew Manganelli 3:31 ... inaccurately

Marques Brownlee 3:32 That's crazy. Well, these aren't quite sloths, and they're not quite stickers, but ... I knew that we would talk about my story first.

Marques Brownlee 3:40 Just saying. Um, there are new emoji coming, everybody. Everybody clap. [claps]

Speaker 3:44 It's happening. [claps]

Marques Brownlee 3:46 It's happening.

Speaker 3:46 So what are these new emojis?

Marques Brownlee 3:48 All right.

Andrew Manganelli 3:48 For our audio listeners, you're gonna have to explain all of them.

Speaker 3:52 [laughs] Yeah, okay. So, so Jennifer Daniel, who is the chair of the Emoji Subcommittee of the Unicode Consortium-

Marques Brownlee 3:57 Holy job title.

Andrew Manganelli 3:58 Sickest job title ever. [laughs]

Speaker 4:00 Sickest job title ever. I interviewed her for my sparkle Emoji documentary, and she's awesome. She has a Substack where she sometimes posts, like, early looks at emoji that they're working on, which is cool. And she just yesterday posted a new article about the nine new emoji that are coming shortly.

Marques Brownlee 4:16 Nine.

Speaker 4:17 So we're getting monarch butterfly.

Marques Brownlee 4:20 Classic.

Speaker 4:20 There is currently a butterfly, but it's just, like, a blue butterfly. Um-

Marques Brownlee 4:24 Hm

Speaker 4:24 ... monarchs are probably more, you know, common and popular in media.

Marques Brownlee 4:28 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4:28 So I think that makes sense. We're getting a bug-catching net.

Marques Brownlee 4:31 Future classic.

Speaker 4:32 Um-

Andrew Manganelli 4:32 Why does it have to be bug catching?

Speaker 4:33 I mean, it doesn't have to be.

Andrew Manganelli 4:34 It's just next to the butterfly, so it feels bug catching, but like-

Marques Brownlee 4:36 Well, it could be Pokemon catching.

Speaker 4:37 I'm just Pokemon pilled. Is that what?

Andrew Manganelli 4:38 Okay.

Speaker 4:38 They call it a bug-catching net in Pokemon, so.

Andrew Manganelli 4:41 Well-

Marques Brownlee 4:41 That's a, that's a bug-catching net. What else, what are you gonna catch in that net? Uh, like a jellyfish? Come on.

Speaker 4:45 Well, what about a big fish?

Marques Brownlee 4:46 No, no.

Speaker 4:46 Like a large fish?

Marques Brownlee 4:47 Oh, that actually could catch a big-

Andrew Manganelli 4:47 I mean, it would ... You'd be swooping under. This one is ... I think the reason it feels bug catching-

Speaker 4:51 It's going down

Andrew Manganelli 4:51 ... is 'cause it's coming from up to down.

Speaker 4:53 Yeah. However, these are just Google's interpretations. Like, Apple can do-

Andrew Manganelli 4:57 I know. I'm using that for, like-

Marques Brownlee 4:58 Apple can-

Andrew Manganelli 4:58 ... caught ya.

Speaker 4:59 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 5:00 [laughs]

Speaker 5:00 Got ya. There's a meteor.

Marques Brownlee 5:03 Nice.

Speaker 5:04 Uh, I think that one's pretty important.

Andrew Manganelli 5:05 That's what this room's gonna feel like soon.

Speaker 5:07 Yeah. There's the thumbs that basically imply, "Get a load of this guy."

Marques Brownlee 5:11 The-

Speaker 5:12 Um-

Marques Brownlee 5:12 It's like, who's got two thumbs and-

Speaker 5:14 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 5:14 ... is on a podcast? This guy.

Speaker 5:15 And they're, like, pointed inwards or outwards.

Marques Brownlee 5:17 Or inwards.

Speaker 5:17 One's the left thumb and one is the right thumb.

Marques Brownlee 5:19 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5:19 So there's two. There's a face that is cracking, um, quite a bit. I like-

Andrew Manganelli 5:24 Already my top 10 most used emojis of all time. That's already top.

Speaker 5:26 I very much like this one because I've used the melting face a lot.

Marques Brownlee 5:30 Yeah.

Speaker 5:30 And then last year they introduced the, um, the bug eye emoji as well. So doing a lot of, like, funny face emojis, which are cool. There's a lighthouse-

Marques Brownlee 5:40 Are we old?

Speaker 5:40 ... which is dope. I was just in Maine.

Marques Brownlee 5:42 [laughs]

Speaker 5:43 Wait, what?

Marques Brownlee 5:43 Nothing.

Speaker 5:44 Why? [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 5:45 Just ... No, keep going. Keep going. Keep going.

Speaker 5:46 Let's ... Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 5:47 [laughs]

Speaker 5:48 Uh, there's a pickle, which is good, because they did have cucumber, which was being, like, diced.

Marques Brownlee 5:53 Oh.

Speaker 5:53 But now it's legit pickle, which I think is important.

Marques Brownlee 5:56 No way that gets misused.

Speaker 6:00 There's a barf-

Andrew Manganelli 6:02 Wait, hold on.

Speaker 6:03 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 6:04 What is this?

Speaker 6:05 A pickle.

Marques Brownlee 6:06 No, the next one.

Speaker 6:07 Oh, a bar of soap.

Marques Brownlee 6:08 That's clearly not a bar of soap.

Andrew Manganelli 6:09 That's an eraser.

Marques Brownlee 6:09 That's an eraser. [laughs]

Speaker 6:10 Really?

Marques Brownlee 6:11 That's very clearly an eraser.

Speaker 6:12 Oh, it's on- Okay, it's only clearly an eraser because there's bits of eraser coming off of it.

Marques Brownlee 6:17 It's only clearly an eraser because of the part of it that makes it an eraser.

Speaker 6:20 It's pink.

Andrew Manganelli 6:21 Dude, soap-

Marques Brownlee 6:21 It would be bubbly if it was soap, and there already is a soap one, isn't there?

Speaker 6:24 It's not. My soap on my, at home in, in my shower is not always bubbly.

Marques Brownlee 6:27 Is it? But that's what-

Andrew Manganelli 6:28 Yeah, but that's what all the ...

Marques Brownlee 6:30 If there's a bubble emoji.

Speaker 6:31 If. Why don't you send me it?

Marques Brownlee 6:33 Or sorry, uh-

Speaker 6:34 Have we lost everyone under 30?

Marques Brownlee 6:36 Why?

Speaker 6:37 I don't think anyone uses emojis anymore.

Marques Brownlee 6:38 You are insane.

Andrew Manganelli 6:39 Wait, really?

Marques Brownlee 6:39 What are you talking about?

Speaker 6:41 Am I wrong about that?

Marques Brownlee 6:41 You're wrong about that.

Speaker 6:42 Everyone-

Speaker 6:43 One takes.

Andrew Manganelli 6:43 What do they use? Genmoji?

Speaker 6:45 Young people, in the comments below, I just want you to comment how old you are and if you regularly use emojis in your conversation.

Marques Brownlee 6:52 They're all gonna be idiots.

Speaker 6:53 'Cause I've, I've, I've, I've a th- a clue that it might be not happening for younger people.

Marques Brownlee 6:59 They, why wouldn't they use emoji?

Speaker 7:00 I don't know. It's cringey and old.

Marques Brownlee 7:01 They just use voice notes and Snapchat.

Speaker 7:03 They don't use voice notes.

Marques Brownlee 7:04 It's funny 'cause-

Andrew Manganelli 7:04 Just lowercase text, man.

Marques Brownlee 7:06 Hey. They just use f- [laughs] they're just on FaceTime all the time.

Speaker 7:08 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 7:09 I feel like we have a-

Marques Brownlee 7:10 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 7:10 ... my proof against you on this is we have a running joke in the office where whenever something gets posted that we don't like, one time someone put the skull and crossbones instead of just the skull.

Marques Brownlee 7:21 That was me, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 7:22 And then somebody got really mad at it, saying like-

Marques Brownlee 7:24 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 7:24 ... "Boomer, that's not the right one."

Marques Brownlee 7:25 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 7:25 So now we just use skull and crossbones for everything.

Marques Brownlee 7:28 Miles, who's, like, 20 years old-

Andrew Manganelli 7:29 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 7:29 ... called me uncc for using skull and crossbones instead of just the skull.

Andrew Manganelli 7:33 So now we use skull and crossbones all the time.

Marques Brownlee 7:35 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 7:35 But the fact that we're getting schooled on what is the proper emote, emoji.

Marques Brownlee 7:40 Yeah, use of emoji.

Speaker 7:41 Emoji. Sure, sure. But I think an even younger generation may be-

Marques Brownlee 7:44 Like Gen Alpha instead of Gen Z

Speaker 7:45 ... uh-

Andrew Manganelli 7:45 I'll ask Lane when I get home. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 7:46 Miles found out, Miles found out yesterday that I was 29, and he was so shocked. He was like, "Wait, so you're, like, actually uncc?"

Andrew Manganelli 7:53 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 7:53 "I was just, I was just kidding this whole time, but, like, you're actually old."

Speaker 7:56 Brother, we're, like, we're in our 30s over here, okay?

Marques Brownlee 7:59 Bro, they say if your age starts with a, if your, the year you're born starts with a one-

Speaker 8:03 A one?

Marques Brownlee 8:04 You're uncc.

Speaker 8:04 It's funny 'cause-

Marques Brownlee 8:05 Oh. Sure. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 8:06 For a while we had the, like, "Oh, when were you born?" "2000." "End?"

Marques Brownlee 8:09 Yeah. 2000 end?

Speaker 8:10 2000 end?

Marques Brownlee 8:12 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someone, someone, um, DM'd me on Instagram the other day because I had posted a, a camera thing, and they're like, "Wow, it's so crazy because I got into photography because of a photo you posted, and now, and I was born in 2008."

Andrew Manganelli 8:26 Oh my God.

Marques Brownlee 8:27 And I was like, "What?" [laughs]

Speaker 8:30 Wait, are you legally allowed to talk to me if you were born in 2008?

Marques Brownlee 8:34 Loki, one of the-

Speaker 8:34 That's crazy

Marques Brownlee 8:35 ... things that happens that makes me feel the oldest is someone will, will come up to me and be like, "I've been watching your videos since I was, like, eight years old," and they're a full grown adult. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 8:42 [laughs]

Speaker 8:42 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 8:43 I'm like, "Wait a second. Hold on. I'm doing the math. This is, this is crazy."

Speaker 8:47 You have been making videos more than half of your life.

Marques Brownlee 8:49 It's true.

Speaker 8:50 And, like, if you, if you're, like, your conscious life, you know, your sentient life-

Marques Brownlee 8:54 Yeah

Speaker 8:54 ... it's, like, three quarters of it.

Marques Brownlee 8:55 Pretty much the whole time I've been awake.

Speaker 8:57 Yeah. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 8:59 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 8:59 Yeah.

Speaker 8:59 I wake up, I make videos.

Marques Brownlee 9:01 I make a video.

Speaker 9:01 I sleep.

Marques Brownlee 9:02 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 9:03 Okay.

Marques Brownlee 9:03 It's true.

Speaker 9:04 Anyway, very excited about these emojis. Speaking of Google,

Speaker 9:07 because Jennifer Daniel does work at Google, Google is going to begin carrying third party app stores next week.

Speaker 9:14 Whoa.

Speaker 9:15 Which is a pretty good deal. Next Wednesday. You might remember, this is the trial that keeps on giving. Um, there was the Google versus Epic trial, which we tried to cover pretty broadly last year, or I guess it was two years ago now, because the Epic, it happened in October of 2024.

Marques Brownlee 9:30 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 9:30 Google was ordered to carry other app stores inside of the Google Play Store for several years. Um, and also, all these other hap- app stores would need to have everything available in Google Play available in them as well. So this was, like, their way of settling this monopoly case. Now, what's weird about this is after the trial happens and after the verdict comes down, they have to basically decide amongst themselves what the remedies for these things are. During, um, this remedy period, the judge found out that Epic and Google had tried to secretly work things out amongst themselves for settlement, and, uh, Epic had agreed to buy $800 million of Google services in exchange for Epic helping promote Android, Google using Unreal Engine, uh, more deeply, and each company coordinating on product development, quote, unquote. Uh, the judge was a little bit worried about this, specifically worried that it was a quid pro quo, uh, and that Epic would still push for changes that would help other developers, and they were a little bit worried that this would not help the antitrust case, and that it seemed like a package deal. The problem with this is that Tim Sweeney, kind of the entire reason that he brought this case in the first place, is that his take was that, uh, Google was taking special deals from people, and they were being unfair to developers. And Tim Sweeney said they would never take a special deal from gatekeepers such as Google based on principle.

Andrew Manganelli 10:53 Unless...

Speaker 10:54 Uh, unless it's $800 million.

Speaker 10:55 [laughs]

Speaker 10:58 So yeah, it's, well, I mean, Epic is the one paying Google $800 million, apparently, which is also weird, but, uh, apparently Google is just going to be promoting their stuff. The judge felt uneasy, but ultimately let it go through.

Marques Brownlee 11:12 That's great.

Andrew Manganelli 11:13 Same.

Speaker 11:13 We love America.

Andrew Manganelli 11:14 [laughs] What?

Speaker 11:15 Um, [laughs] either way, it's gonna be really interesting to see what this ends up looking like in practice, because it should be launching on the 22nd, which is next Wednesday. Uh, we're gonna see other app stores inside of the Google Play Store, which is weird. So we'll probably see the Epic Store in there. We might see Microsoft will launch, you know, their own Microsoft Store inside of the Play Store. But it is interesting that they have to offer everything that the Google Play Store offers.

Marques Brownlee 11:39 Yeah.

Speaker 11:39 I think that's pretty weird.

Andrew Manganelli 11:40 Is F droid not currently on the Play Store?

Speaker 11:43 They have to side load it.

Andrew Manganelli 11:44 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 11:45 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 11:45 So that should be there next week.

Speaker 11:46 There's that. There's, um, the guys that make AltStore, um, which I think, I'm not sure if that's only on the iPhone or not, but Riley Stout and, uh, and co., I think will probably be launching some sort of alternative app store on the Google Play Store. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, if this, you know, if o- these other app stores take less than 30% of a cut, that would theoretically incentivize Google to lower their cut

Marques Brownlee 12:10 At the same time, you have to download these other app stores through the [laughs] Google Play Store.

Speaker 12:14 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 12:15 Which is, uh, a little roundabout.

Speaker 12:17 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 12:17 Play Store's gonna be like Internet Explorer. Still super popular 'cause it's the default.

Marques Brownlee 12:22 Download other browsers.

Andrew Manganelli 12:23 But if anything else is good enough now, it will just be the thing that you download other browsers from.

Marques Brownlee 12:26 That's true.

Andrew Manganelli 12:28 I think it'll be fine.

Speaker 12:29 Is it ... I thought, I thought you can't even get Internet Explorer anymore. I thought it was Edge.

Andrew Manganelli 12:32 It's Edge now.

Marques Brownlee 12:32 Well, it's Edge now.

Andrew Manganelli 12:32 It's still Internet Explorer.

Marques Brownlee 12:33 That was, "Welcome to Edge. We're so excited to have you, Chrome." [laughs]

Speaker 12:37 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 12:38 Wait, no.

Marques Brownlee 12:38 "Give me Chrome."

Andrew Manganelli 12:39 [laughs] Wait, but don't you-

Marques Brownlee 12:39 "Download-"

Andrew Manganelli 12:40 Don't you wanna-

Marques Brownlee 12:41 "You know, you know what you're here for."

Andrew Manganelli 12:43 Don't you wanna ... [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 12:43 "Give me Chrome."

Speaker 12:44 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 12:45 All right. Well, speaking of things that, uh, don't exist anymore, uh-

Andrew Manganelli 12:49 In some regions.

Marques Brownlee 12:50 Yeah, in some regions. Let's get to some heavier news, which is that OnePlus officially ... [harmonica music] Oh, nice timing.

Andrew Manganelli 12:57 I don't know why I actually was expecting a, a harmonica in Ellis' mouth.

Marques Brownlee 13:00 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 13:01 I mean, audio listeners-

Speaker 13:02 Why not?

Marques Brownlee 13:03 That is a tagline

Andrew Manganelli 13:03 ... he has a harmonica right now.

Marques Brownlee 13:05 Right. Officially, the news is OnePlus is shutting down operations in the U.S., North America, and Europe. We saw the writing on the wall. They kinda started slowing down. A bunch of future devices were discontinued. We thought we might get a new foldable. Canceled. We thought we might get a new flagship. Canceled. And now, there will be no more new OnePlus phones for us.

Speaker 13:29 In the U.S. and Europe.

Marques Brownlee 13:29 They will continue in Asia and India. They're actually-

Speaker 13:33 And in our hearts

Marques Brownlee 13:33 ... pretty popular there still.

Speaker 13:34 And our devices especially.

Marques Brownlee 13:36 But I've been a OnePlus user for a long time here.

Speaker 13:40 Yep.

Marques Brownlee 13:40 And, uh, I will no longer be able to daily/buy the devices here, which is very sad.

Speaker 13:45 Yeah. Yeah, one other thing is that they are going to be merging people over to ColorOS.

Marques Brownlee 13:49 This is fascinating.

Speaker 13:51 This is very funny, because-

Marques Brownlee 13:52 So funny

Speaker 13:52 ... they had already done this. People got mad, and then they just, like, changed the name back to Oxygen.

Marques Brownlee 13:58 Oh. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 13:58 Yeah.

Speaker 13:59 But it was basically still ColorOS.

Marques Brownlee 14:00 It changed. It was ... OxygenOS was its own thing for such a long time for OnePlus phones, and I loved OxygenOS. And then they did this hard pivot into ColorOS, and-

Speaker 14:10 Also a great OS, to be honest

Marques Brownlee 14:11 ... it's fine. It's totally fine, it's just very different. And when people love OxygenOS, that's very jarring to them. And so they just named it OxygenOS again, but it's essentially the same thing.

Speaker 14:19 Still Color. [laughs] Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 14:21 Uh, OPPO being the parent company to OnePlus, so now it will officially, uh, update and just become shamelessly ColorOS again.

Speaker 14:29 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 14:30 Uh, yeah. I've ... There's a long history with OnePlus, especially on, on this channel, on the MKBHD channel. I've talked about them since the OnePlus One. They've had so many interesting phones and twists and turns in their history. Uh, they felt like the enthusiast brand that showed up and, and was really disruptive for quite a while, before they became the enemy that you either live long enough to see yourself become or die.

Speaker 14:53 [laughs] Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 14:54 Um, and so yeah, they, they did now die.

Speaker 14:58 Yeah. If you wanna learn more about OnePlus history, I recommend that you go watch our CyanogenMod episode, because we have a ton of OnePlus history in there.

Marques Brownlee 15:05 And then go watch The Downfall of OnePlus Will Be Studied video.

Andrew Manganelli 15:11 I think you even had an older-

Marques Brownlee 15:11 I think we have a few videos like this

Andrew Manganelli 15:13 ... you have another OnePlus video, I think.

Marques Brownlee 15:14 I've had, I've done various history of OnePlus videos in the past, but that's the latest one, where I did get some comments saying, "Wow, this is way too early. They're not going away." But now that video has aged very well.

Andrew Manganelli 15:23 Yeah, What Happened to OnePlus, five years ago?

Marques Brownlee 15:26 Yeah.

Speaker 15:26 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 15:26 Five years ago, What Happened to OnePlus.

Speaker 15:27 They really went through a lot of twists and turns. Like, they would, they would just be bad all of a sudden, and their phones would not be good value, and then people'd get mad, and eventually they'd come back and make a banger, and then be, they'd be bad again. And yeah, eventually they just, I think OPPO Group just got tired of having to deal with those, that fan base.

Marques Brownlee 15:45 I would like to give my top three OnePlus phones of all time.

Speaker 15:49 All right. Do it.

Marques Brownlee 15:50 In no particular order.

Speaker 15:52 Wow.

Andrew Manganelli 15:52 Then it's-

Marques Brownlee 15:52 See?

Speaker 15:53 No particular order.

Marques Brownlee 15:54 You have to. All right, fine. I'll do it. Fine.

Speaker 15:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 15:55 Fine. Fine. I will do it in order. Fine. Okay.

Speaker 15:57 Stay out of business, Marques.

Marques Brownlee 15:58 Top three best OnePlus phones of all time.

Speaker 16:00 Okay.

Marques Brownlee 16:00 Number three.

Speaker 16:01 All right.

Marques Brownlee 16:01 The OnePlus 15.

Speaker 16:03 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 16:03 The OnePlus 15, which I'm still using, still dailying, with its unbelievable battery, incredible performance, total lack of bloat, very average cameras-

Speaker 16:13 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 16:14 ... and, uh, just the complete OnePlus experience right here.

Speaker 16:16 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 16:16 This is, this is the epitome of modern OnePlus, still pushing the boundaries and not too overpriced. Top three, OnePlus 15.

Speaker 16:23 Okay.

Marques Brownlee 16:23 Number two, the OnePlus One.

Speaker 16:26 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 16:27 The sandstone.

Speaker 16:28 Sandstone.

Marques Brownlee 16:28 The hype factor, the price per dollar ratio.

Speaker 16:32 You could just say sandstone three times, and it'd be three.

Marques Brownlee 16:34 [laughs] Sandstone was pretty fire, but I actually think I dailied the white one, because the sandstone kinda aged in its weird way.

Speaker 16:39 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 16:39 It was cool at first, and then it was a little weird when it aged. But-

Speaker 16:42 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 16:42 ... uh, that had a whole lore with it from, like, how difficult it was to get, the invite system-

Speaker 16:48 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 16:48 ... all the things that were happening with OnePlus at the time. But the OnePlus One, I'm putting at number two.

Speaker 16:52 Can I guess your number one?

Marques Brownlee 16:53 You could probably guess it.

Andrew Manganelli 16:54 I think we ... Yeah.

Speaker 16:55 Is it the 7T?

Marques Brownlee 16:56 It's the 7 Pro.

Andrew Manganelli 16:57 7-

Speaker 16:57 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 16:58 7T Pro McLaren edition.

Marques Brownlee 16:59 There's a whole cluster of them in there, but I would put, like, yeah, the 7T Pro McLaren Edition is the best of these. But right around that year, where the 7 Pro and then the 7T and 7T Pro came out, these phones w- I, I think I could still use that phone today.

Speaker 17:12 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 17:12 Obviously, the camera's gonna be much worse, but, like, those, the software experience was damn near perfect. It had very ... It was early to high refresh rate displays-

Speaker 17:21 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 17:21 ... so they were some of the only 90 hertz, I believe, displays out there. Super, super smooth. The batteries lasted a long time. They also did this thing where they were approaching, like, 100% screen to body ratio on the front-

Speaker 17:32 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 17:32 ... and that was, like, a hype number people talked about at the time, so they threw the, the selfie camera in a little pop-up camera.

Speaker 17:38 Pop-up. That's fun.

Marques Brownlee 17:39 And that was kinda fun, and it didn't seem to break very easily.

Speaker 17:42 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 17:42 So I, I liked that.

Andrew Manganelli 17:43 Wow.

Speaker 17:43 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 17:44 One of ours got waterlogged, 'cause we tried opening it underwater.

Marques Brownlee 17:47 Oh, okay.

Andrew Manganelli 17:47 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 17:47 Well, the one I was using, I never did that-

Andrew Manganelli 17:49 Oh, okay

Marques Brownlee 17:49 ... underwater, and it, it, it didn't have any issues. It was, the battery lasted a long time, charged super fast.

Speaker 17:54 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 17:55 All of the best parts of OnePlus, which is what had me recommending OnePlus phones to people, uh, were in the phones of that exact era. And yeah, I, I feel like that might be the phone ... If you look back at the last 10 to 15 years- I'm pretty sure the number one brand of smartphone that I've dailied myself-

Speaker 18:15 LG

Marques Brownlee 18:16 ... would be OnePlus. [laughs] Yeah, the, the 7 Pro series, uh, you have bigger hands than me, but for me, it was a little too big. Mm. And it had a lot of ghost touching issues because the screen-to-body ratio was so high.

Speaker 18:27 It did waterfall it a little bit.

Marques Brownlee 18:28 And it wrapped around the side, and there were so many times I'd just be holding the phone, and it would just be doing things on its own because it thought I was touching the sides of it.

Speaker 18:35 That was a fun time of, "We have to do screen-to-body ratio because it's a number-

Marques Brownlee 18:40 Yeah

Speaker 18:40 ... and a marketing photo we can put up."

Marques Brownlee 18:42 And it looked cool.

Speaker 18:43 [laughs] We don't care how bad it screws up usability.

Marques Brownlee 18:45 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 18:46 Send it.

Marques Brownlee 18:46 I like the 7T so much because it was, like, all the best things about the 7 Pro, but it was cheaper. It, it was, like, 499.

Speaker 18:54 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 18:55 Had a flat screen.

Speaker 18:56 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 18:56 It was better in certain little ways. Um, yeah, I was obsessed with that one. I recommended it to everybody. I bought my dad one. That was a terrible mistake.

Speaker 19:04 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 19:05 Because after a long period of time, when the OS started randomly changing, and it randomly changed to ColorOS-

Speaker 19:10 Mm

Marques Brownlee 19:10 ... my dad just had a meltdown.

Speaker 19:12 Yeah, it was always an enthusiast phone.

Marques Brownlee 19:14 Yeah.

Speaker 19:14 And it was, it was funny 'cause people in real life would ask me, like, "What phone is that?" And I'd say, "Oh, it's a OnePlus 7." And they'd go, "But what? Who makes it?"

Marques Brownlee 19:21 [laughs]

Speaker 19:21 "What are you talking about?" And I'd say-

Marques Brownlee 19:22 OnePlus

Speaker 19:22 ... "Oh, sorry, the, the company name is OnePlus."

Marques Brownlee 19:24 Yeah.

Speaker 19:25 And then it's the 7, so it's the OnePlus 7. And they'd be like, "Okay, so the 8, I guess?"

Marques Brownlee 19:30 [laughs]

Speaker 19:30 And like, "Yeah, sure. Whatever. Fine."

Marques Brownlee 19:31 Yeah.

Speaker 19:32 So it was always a bit of an enthusiast phone. It was always a slightly if you know, you know-

Marques Brownlee 19:35 Yeah

Speaker 19:35 ... brand. But yeah, man, people ... I, I have friends that got these-

Marques Brownlee 19:40 Yeah

Speaker 19:40 ... that were also in the know, so, so this was a good time.

Marques Brownlee 19:42 Yeah. I have a take that I wanna mention about this, um, that I'm also writing an article about, where I don't think that OnePlus and US carriers were ever going to work.

Speaker 19:52 They never got along.

Marques Brownlee 19:53 They-

Speaker 19:53 They never ... Uh, maybe there was a brief ...

Marques Brownlee 19:57 Wasn't there, like, a, like a-

Speaker 19:58 They-

Marques Brownlee 19:58 ... OnePlus 12 or something that-

Speaker 20:00 The 6t, uh ... Sorry, no. Yeah, the 6t was the first phone on T-Mobile.

Marques Brownlee 20:07 Okay.

Speaker 20:08 And they made a big deal about it, and they launched on T-Mobile, and it was a whole thing. And then that lasted a c- a few years. Verizon had OnePlus phones with, for the OnePlus 8 and the OnePlus 9.

Marques Brownlee 20:18 Right.

Speaker 20:19 The most annoying thing about the OnePlus 8 was that if you bought it at T-Mobile, it was, like, one price, but if you bought it at Verizon, you had to buy it with the millimeter wave bands.

Marques Brownlee 20:27 Right.

Speaker 20:27 And it added $100.

Marques Brownlee 20:29 Yeah.

Speaker 20:29 Which made it, like, not really a good value anymore. Anyway, my sort of like theory about US carriers and OnePlus is that, like, US carriers, because of the way they want to do the subsidies for you, where they slowly have you pay off the phone with your monthly bill, but then they sort of lock you into that 24 to 36-month pay period, um, they actually want you to buy more expensive phones. Because then if you leave the plan, and if you go to another option, you still have to pay off the rest of the phone.

Marques Brownlee 20:59 Mm.

Speaker 21:00 So-

Marques Brownlee 21:01 Yeah

Speaker 21:01 ... if you're paying $4 to T-Mobile every month for a, for a, you know, a $1,400 iPhone, and as long as you're on that plan for 24 to 36 months, it's like, oh yeah, it's four bucks for a, for a $1,400 iPhone. That's amazing. But as soon as you wanna leave to, like, Visible or Verizon or something, they're like, "Oh, you owe us $1,000 now."

Marques Brownlee 21:21 Yeah.

Speaker 21:21 And it's sort of this chain. And so, like, carriers actually want you to buy more expensive phones because it keeps you on the plan longer, whereas a $500 OnePlus phone, if you, like ... Eventually, they're like, "Hey, you owe us 400 bucks now." You're like, "Oh, I gue- okay, I guess." You know?

Marques Brownlee 21:36 Yeah. Less incentive.

Speaker 21:37 It's way less incentive.

Marques Brownlee 21:38 Yeah. This is one of those things that I think we talk about once in a while in videos, and maybe people who aren't from the US get kind of annoyed with it, but it's still true that here in the US, carriers still basically run, like, what, what phones people buy and what phones, like, sell the most.

Speaker 21:53 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 21:53 So people go to their carrier to buy a new phone-

Speaker 21:56 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 21:56 ... most of the time.

Speaker 21:58 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 21:58 So whatever phones get pushed by carriers get sold the most. So whichever ones have the best deals, who buddy up with those carriers, will do the best.

Speaker 22:05 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 22:05 And so that's why you see the, the big companies in the US continue to do well, because they have their deals with Verizon, AT&T, et cetera, and, uh, OnePlus was never one of those, uh, companies-

Speaker 22:16 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 22:16 ... at least here, so they never really got a ton of ... They were probably, like, a fraction of a percent of market share here.

Speaker 22:20 Yeah. I saw some crazy statistic yesterday. There was a statis- statistic that came out recently that three out of every four phones sold at US carriers were iPhones, 75%.

Marques Brownlee 22:29 Sheesh.

Speaker 22:30 And there was a statistic from 2020, which was two years after the OnePlus, uh, launched in T-Mobile stores, that, uh, the, uh, like, 92% of all phones sold at carriers were either Apple phones or Samsung phones.

Marques Brownlee 22:45 Sheesh.

Speaker 22:46 So OnePlus was fighting for that 8%, for the last 8%-

Marques Brownlee 22:48 Fighting, yeah. No, no shot

Speaker 22:49 ... against Motorola-

Marques Brownlee 22:50 Google

Speaker 22:51 ... and, like, Google Pixel and all these other ...

Marques Brownlee 22:53 Yeah.

Speaker 22:53 It was not, not good for them. So you can see why they pulled out.

Marques Brownlee 22:56 This whole thing makes our previous time talking about this really, really funny, 'cause there was that really weird article like-

Speaker 23:03 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 23:04 ... like, "OnePlus is going out of business."

Speaker 23:06 Well-

Marques Brownlee 23:06 And then the AI-written article- The AI-written article ... was like, "We're not going anywhere." [laughs]

Speaker 23:10 We said that. Like, I went back and looked at our thing is, that was, like, the h- the AI-written article-

Marques Brownlee 23:16 Yeah

Speaker 23:16 ... that-

Marques Brownlee 23:16 [laughs] Yeah

Speaker 23:17 ... was ... Everyone agreed that, like, it made sense, but it just said, "Exclusive," and it was a complete opinion piece-

Marques Brownlee 23:25 Yeah

Speaker 23:25 ... written-

Marques Brownlee 23:26 By AI

Speaker 23:26 ... helped by AI.

Marques Brownlee 23:27 No-

Speaker 23:27 So no one took it seriously.

Marques Brownlee 23:29 [laughs]

Speaker 23:29 But yes, but then-

Marques Brownlee 23:30 Well, yeah. What's funny is OnePlus of India was like-

Speaker 23:33 Yep

Marques Brownlee 23:33 ... "We're not going anywhere." 'Cause they're not. [laughs]

Speaker 23:34 [laughs] Yeah. We said that.

Marques Brownlee 23:34 I mean, exactly, and the rest of OnePlus was like...

Speaker 23:37 We specifically said that. We were like-

Marques Brownlee 23:39 They didn't

Speaker 23:39 ... yeah, this is OnePlus India saying they're not going anywhere.

Marques Brownlee 23:42 Yeah.

Speaker 23:42 But, like, the big thing, the general gist of this article is, like-

Marques Brownlee 23:45 Yeah

Speaker 23:45 ... Oppo is winding down some things in different regions because there's too much going on in the Oppo parent company, which makes sense. Like, why not take away the regions you're selling the worst in and just make better Oppo phones, especially with the prices of everything now. Less SKUs-

Marques Brownlee 24:00 Yeah

Speaker 24:01 ... is better for you.

Marques Brownlee 24:02 Value for money is still the most important thing in India, and in the US, we just don't care because of these carrier plans.

Speaker 24:07 Yeah. We don't have nearly as much hardware competition, which is a real bummer.

Marques Brownlee 24:10 Yeah. Mm.

Speaker 24:11 Oh, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 24:11 Very bummer.

Speaker 24:12 But yeah.

Marques Brownlee 24:12 Yeah.

Speaker 24:13 OnePlus, no more here.

Marques Brownlee 24:14 No more, RIP. Well-

Speaker 24:16 Do you think we'll get Oppo in the US anytime soon?

Marques Brownlee 24:18 No, absolutely not.

Speaker 24:19 We just-

Marques Brownlee 24:20 ... I don't, I don't think so. And, and the-

Speaker 24:22 Probably not

Marques Brownlee 24:22 ... Oppo Find X9 Ultra is, like, one of the best phones in the world, and I would probably be using that phone if I could use it in the U.S.

Speaker 24:30 Especially the way the U.S. government feels about Chinese companies-

Marques Brownlee 24:32 That's fair

Speaker 24:32 ... right now. Like, DJI-

Marques Brownlee 24:33 Yeah

Speaker 24:33 ... just got banned. Honestly, OnePlus was sort of their Trojan horse into the U.S. in general.

Marques Brownlee 24:38 Basically.

Speaker 24:39 You know?

Marques Brownlee 24:39 And it just never, they never did the things they had to do to make it work. [laughs]

Speaker 24:42 Yeah. I mean, it's just not compatible with their brand ethos.

Marques Brownlee 24:45 Yeah.

Speaker 24:46 Um, but there is a company that is in

Speaker 24:49 the United States that is launching a phone in a month.

Marques Brownlee 24:51 That also has really small market share. [laughs]

Speaker 24:53 That also has really small market... I know. We get all excited all the time when the Pixel gains market share. There was, like, one quarter where they were 7% of sales, and we're like, "It's going, it's going." And I looked at a chart yesterday. Almost every quarter they have 3 to 2, 2 to 3% of sales.

Marques Brownlee 25:07 Yeah.

Speaker 25:07 There was one quarter where they randomly got 7, and it was the month the new Pixel [laughs] came out.

Marques Brownlee 25:12 Yep.

Speaker 25:12 So they still not doing great. That's Google, baby. That's Google.

Marques Brownlee 25:16 But maybe this one will change it.

Speaker 25:17 You know why it'll change it? 'Cause the new colors are fire.

Marques Brownlee 25:21 Yeah, let's, uh-

Speaker 25:21 Well, we'll talk about it all. I... Okay, Pixel 11. We'd actually just complimented Pixel 11 on not leaking as much as we thought it would, like, a week or two ago, and then, like, mere days after we'd said that, basically everything's leaked. So okay, yeah, now the Pixel 11, we kind of already know everything. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 25:40 From the new colors to the design to the lack of a glow bar.

Speaker 25:43 We don't know the camera features, though. There's that.

Marques Brownlee 25:45 True. We- well, we'll get some AI soft- stuff, 'cause software can't leak. Well, it can.

Speaker 25:49 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 25:49 But it doesn't, as much [laughs] -

Speaker 25:51 Yeah, yeah

Marques Brownlee 25:51 ... from these companies. Um, but from what we see, the design looks essentially the same as we've seen for the past couple years, but a new color s- a set of colors, which seems nice, and then we get the spec sheets and the prices, so we'll get to that in a second. But what are the new colors, David? 'Cause you're pumped about these.

Speaker 26:07 Um, okay. Well, the... So Andrew, you wrote this down.

Marques Brownlee 26:11 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 26:11 Yeah, I wrote.

Speaker 26:12 When you say there are, like, two colors for each color, what is that?

Marques Brownlee 26:16 Okay.

Speaker 26:16 What's the deal? You tell me.

Andrew Manganelli 26:17 Um, this is the most confusing set of rumors and leaks I've ever read in my entire life, and writing out just the colors of this probably took me over an hour.

Speaker 26:25 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 26:25 Because the reason we have these leaks is an accidental Amazon listing, and the reason we kinda need to take that with a grain of salt is 'cause even though it said it was from the Google Play Store on Amazon, with Amazon third-party sellers, like, sometimes you can get something shipped by a third party that still will say, like, the company name behind it.

Speaker 26:42 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 26:42 So, like, something can be shipped by a third party, like a Canon camera, but still might say Canon-

Speaker 26:47 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 26:47 ... under Amazon.

Speaker 26:48 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 26:49 So we don't know exactly what this is, but the way things were listed is there was the original rumors of colors that we had, names. There was then the listed ones in the title of all of these Amazon listings associated with their code names, which seem to all match up, and then in the list sometimes had different color names. So I'm going to tell you the colors with one or two potential names they might each have.

Speaker 27:11 It's also possible that they give the distributors different names than the actual colors-

Andrew Manganelli 27:16 Totally true

Speaker 27:17 ... so they don't leak.

Andrew Manganelli 27:17 They might have literally found who accidentally did this, if that's the case.

Speaker 27:21 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 27:21 But, so for the Pixel 11, we have Obsidian or Midnight Haze, which is, like, a black. We have Frost or Light Sterling, which is, like, a whitish, light blue-y-

Speaker 27:31 Blue. Purple

Andrew Manganelli 27:31 ... tinty. Yeah.

Speaker 27:32 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 27:33 We have Hibiscus or Fuchsia, which is, like, a sick pink. I mean-

Speaker 27:36 Hot-ass pink

Andrew Manganelli 27:37 ... fuchsia.

Speaker 27:37 Christ.

Andrew Manganelli 27:38 Yeah. Hot but dark pink-

Speaker 27:40 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 27:40 ... I would say. What do you-

Speaker 27:42 But isn't hot pink dark?

Andrew Manganelli 27:44 I don't know. I would generally do it lighter, though. This is a, this is a hot pink saturation slider-

Speaker 27:49 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 27:50 ... 100%.

Speaker 27:51 For sure.

Andrew Manganelli 27:51 And then export it and 100% again.

Speaker 27:54 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 27:55 Um, and then green, which is either gonna be called Pistachio or Moss.

Speaker 27:57 I think it's just... I hope it's Pistachio. I like pistachios.

Andrew Manganelli 28:00 I'm gonna go towards Moss.

Speaker 28:02 [laughs] It'll probably be-

Andrew Manganelli 28:03 Or actually, I don't know, because then the green for the Pros are also either a forest object or a food.

Marques Brownlee 28:10 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 28:10 Hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 28:10 Which is the same as Pistachio or Moss. And then for the 11 Pro, we have another black, either Midnight Haze or Obsidian.

Speaker 28:16 Probably Obsidian.

Andrew Manganelli 28:16 We have a Light Fog or Sterling, so it's not the same, but very similar-

Speaker 28:21 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 28:21 ... um, as the whitish bluish color before.

Speaker 28:25 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 28:25 Dune. Dune. [air horn]

Speaker 28:28 Dune is fire.

Andrew Manganelli 28:28 Dune.

Marques Brownlee 28:29 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 28:29 Or Canyon, which is, like, this is now a light pink, almost orangey-

Speaker 28:34 Yo

Andrew Manganelli 28:34 ... copper.

Speaker 28:34 These colors are so good.

Andrew Manganelli 28:35 They are really good.

Speaker 28:36 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 28:36 And then we have Pine or Olive as the green.

Marques Brownlee 28:40 Mm, I love it.

Andrew Manganelli 28:40 Which is a light-

Speaker 28:41 It's so good

Andrew Manganelli 28:42 ... I don't even know how to...

Speaker 28:43 I hate all of them.

Andrew Manganelli 28:44 These two are very similar.

Speaker 28:46 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 28:46 The greenish one.

Speaker 28:46 Give me the black and that's it.

Marques Brownlee 28:47 You're insane.

Speaker 28:48 I hate all of them.

Marques Brownlee 28:49 You're insane.

Andrew Manganelli 28:50 No, the-

Speaker 28:50 The Pros are fine.

Andrew Manganelli 28:50 The pinks are really good.

Speaker 28:51 The Pros, the Pro colors are fine.

Marques Brownlee 28:52 The Pros are better, for sure.

Speaker 28:53 The-

Marques Brownlee 28:53 No, I disagree

Speaker 28:54 ... the non-Pros are, are dooky.

Marques Brownlee 28:56 Okay, this is what I ha- this is my actual thoughts.

Speaker 28:58 You're ranking?

Marques Brownlee 28:58 They... All these camera- all these companies do this thing where they have, like, bright, fun, interesting colors for the non-Pros, and then they have all these muted colors for the Pros.

Speaker 29:06 Not true.

Marques Brownlee 29:06 And then Apple kind of broke out of that with this orange Pro iPhone, which is crazy, and we're like, "Oh, maybe this is finally gonna be the year of, like, interesting Pro colors." But they're doing it again here. Google is, has this, uh, bright pink on the non-Pro. They have these t- a green, a light purple, and, and a Obsidian that's not really black. And then the Pros are, like, a muted version of all of them.

Speaker 29:26 Yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 29:27 I... But give us, like, a bold Pro or give us a black, and they don't do either.

Speaker 29:33 Well, it's almost black.

Andrew Manganelli 29:34 That's pretty-

Marques Brownlee 29:34 Yeah, but that's why it's not black. [laughs]

Speaker 29:36 ... obsidian.

Andrew Manganelli 29:36 It's close.

Marques Brownlee 29:37 The closest color I-

Andrew Manganelli 29:37 It's a wraith site.

Marques Brownlee 29:38 [laughs]

Speaker 29:38 It's the purple regular 11, and only because it looks like Ellis's old Mini.

Andrew Manganelli 29:43 What the heck?

Marques Brownlee 29:43 Yeah.

Speaker 29:44 Yeah, that's basically the same color as the, as the 12 Mini. I really like the Pro colors. I think the green is very, like, Pacific Northwest-y sort of adventure color.

Andrew Manganelli 29:53 I will unfortunately never use a green phone.

Speaker 29:55 What about the Dune?

Andrew Manganelli 29:57 No.

Marques Brownlee 29:57 I like that color. [air horn] The green's funny because-

Speaker 29:59 Green is dope

Marques Brownlee 30:00 ... you're right, the Pros are the muted versions of the normal ones-

Speaker 30:03 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 30:03 ... except the green on the normal 11 is already, like, a muted green.

Speaker 30:06 That's true.

Andrew Manganelli 30:07 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 30:07 So this is like, "How do we mute this more? Oh, let's mute the-

Speaker 30:10 I like it

Marques Brownlee 30:10 ... the logo."

Speaker 30:11 It feels like a dark forest color.

Marques Brownlee 30:11 I like, I like green, but.

Speaker 30:13 Yeah. It's interesting they have no sort of pearlescent option this year. They've always gone, like, the white, like, uh-

Marques Brownlee 30:19 I think the-

Speaker 30:19 ... shiny one

Marques Brownlee 30:20 ... the Fog could- The light fog

Andrew Manganelli 30:23 I think that might wind up being a little pearlier-

Marques Brownlee 30:26 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 30:26 ... than this-

Marques Brownlee 30:27 Oh, I have another-

Andrew Manganelli 30:27 ... render picture

Marques Brownlee 30:27 ... I have another pet peeve. I have more beef. The non-Pro phones, they always do the matte aluminum rails, and then the Pro phones, they do the shiny, like, fingerprint-y rails.

Speaker 30:37 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 30:37 Because it's Pro, and it's supposed to feel more premium.

Speaker 30:38 Didn't they flip that last year, though?

Marques Brownlee 30:40 Um, maybe, but it looks like they're not g- they're gonna do that again this time.

Speaker 30:44 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 30:44 The Pros have the shiny rails, and the non-Pros have matte rails.

Speaker 30:47 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 30:47 And that is a bummer.

Speaker 30:48 Yeah, that is a bummer.

Andrew Manganelli 30:49 I'm glad they're doing colors, but maybe it's just a me thing, but I'm not a fan of any of these colors.

Marques Brownlee 30:54 Adam, hold up your phone.

Andrew Manganelli 30:54 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 30:56 He's on an iPhone now. We can't trust him. He's a shill.

Speaker 30:59 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 30:59 Silver iPhone.

Marques Brownlee 31:01 Um, also, real quick, the 11 Pro Fold colors are obsidian-

Speaker 31:06 Midnight haze

Marques Brownlee 31:06 ... midnight haze or green, yeah.

Speaker 31:08 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 31:08 Um, last year they had blue.

Andrew Manganelli 31:09 Also, I like the rails on this green better.

Marques Brownlee 31:11 Those gold rails.

Andrew Manganelli 31:12 Is that the same... Maybe it is the same, you just see more of it because of the camera bump-

Marques Brownlee 31:16 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 31:16 ... and the, and the corners.

Marques Brownlee 31:17 Last year they did, they did blue, right, for the color one?

Andrew Manganelli 31:20 I don't, I don't remember.

Marques Brownlee 31:21 I'm pretty sure they did.

Speaker 31:22 Yeah, um, for the color names, I'm pretty sure they're probably gonna go with Obsidian, Frost. Uh, these are names that they've used in the past.

Andrew Manganelli 31:30 Yeah.

Speaker 31:30 So I imagine that they will just-

Andrew Manganelli 31:32 Fog

Speaker 31:32 ... stick with those names. Fog. And they, th- especially when the colors match the other accessories that they have, like the Pixel Band accessories and stuff, like the greenish one is called Fog, you know. I think that they just try to stick with that across the lines. I don't think they're gonna be changing the name significantly. Yeah, but...

Marques Brownlee 31:49 Now, here's the slightly worse news. Uh, all the s-

Andrew Manganelli 31:51 Way worse news

Marques Brownlee 31:52 ... all the specs and prices have also leaked from this. So if we are to believe these specs and prices, then what's happening is the base Pixel 11 will start now at double, 256 gigs, but it also now starts at $900.

Andrew Manganelli 32:07 Oh, my God.

Speaker 32:08 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 32:09 And goes up from there. Uh, so Pixel 11 Pro will start at 256 with 12 gigs of RAM.

Speaker 32:15 Ram again, baby.

Marques Brownlee 32:15 It will be $1100.

Andrew Manganelli 32:17 Don't give them that excuse.

Marques Brownlee 32:18 I mean, it's, they all have to get RAM. 12 gigs of RAM, it's not nothing, but-

Speaker 32:21 Ugh

Marques Brownlee 32:21 ... 1200, or 1100 for Pixel 11 Pro, and 1300 for the 11 Pro XL. Wow, $1300 for a Pixel.

Speaker 32:28 Dude.

Andrew Manganelli 32:28 I thought Google just got $800 million from Epic Games. Why are they charging [laughing] this much?

Speaker 32:34 This-

Marques Brownlee 32:34 The rest of the specs do appear to be pretty much in line with last year. Batteries get a tiny bit of a bump, like 13 megapixel front camera is the same, 6.1-

Andrew Manganelli 32:43 No, it's not. It was a f- the Pro had a f- a 42 megapixel front-facing camera.

Marques Brownlee 32:49 Oh, really? Okay.

Speaker 32:50 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 32:50 Pixel 10 Pro had-

Speaker 32:51 It was higher resolution

Andrew Manganelli 32:52 ... had a nice front-facing camera, and now-

Speaker 32:53 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 32:54 ... yeah.

Speaker 32:54 And they made a big deal about it.

Andrew Manganelli 32:55 Mm-hmm, and now they made it worse.

Marques Brownlee 32:57 Okay.

Speaker 32:57 Now, these are-

Andrew Manganelli 32:58 Yeah, 42 megapixels

Speaker 32:58 ... leaked specs. We're not totally sure-

Marques Brownlee 33:00 True

Speaker 33:00 ... yet.

Andrew Manganelli 33:00 Yeah

Speaker 33:00 ... exactly.

Marques Brownlee 33:01 But 120 hertz OLEDs across the board, similar sizes, and then the Pro phone will start at $1900.

Andrew Manganelli 33:09 Pro Fold.

Marques Brownlee 33:09 Pro Fold, sorry, will start at $1900, and also 256.

Speaker 33:12 $1900?

Marques Brownlee 33:15 Yeah. There's-

Andrew Manganelli 33:15 That's gonna look like a steal next to the Apple Fold.

Speaker 33:18 That's true. That's gonna be 2499 plus.

Andrew Manganelli 33:20 A couple of funny things. The Pixel 11 has a better battery than the Pixel 11 Pro.

Speaker 33:24 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 33:25 Um, yeah, the selfie cameras are worse. The-

Speaker 33:29 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 33:29 And yeah, these, these prices are... You know, last year, they had the chance [laughs] to make things right, and this year, obviously, there are RAM things, but I'm not going to let them use that as an excuse, because $900 for a 256 base is wild. It's dumb.

Marques Brownlee 33:46 Yeah.

Speaker 33:47 Just wait 'til the iPhone, baby.

Andrew Manganelli 33:48 It's awful. I... But the iPhone, at least last year, got to be like, "We cared about you guys for a little bit."

Speaker 33:53 Are you-

Andrew Manganelli 33:53 Pixel just spit in your face

Speaker 33:54 ... on the 11 Pro versus 11, it's $200 more. Are you just getting the tele lens and that's it?

Marques Brownlee 34:00 You're... That's typically the only difference, yeah, which is why I keep saying, like, it's hard to sell people on that.

Andrew Manganelli 34:05 And I'm-

Marques Brownlee 34:06 It's the same size

Speaker 34:07 ... just adding something else, too.

Marques Brownlee 34:08 Often, it's, like, a brighter display, and, like, a couple other small-

Speaker 34:10 Oh, right

Marques Brownlee 34:11 ... like, HDR-related things that are, like, small tweaks for the Pro.

Speaker 34:13 Slightly brighter display, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 34:14 But yeah, it's a slightly smaller battery because you have slightly more camera, so...

Speaker 34:17 This leak, though, says that the 11 Pro is lighter than the 11, which is very weird.

Andrew Manganelli 34:22 Less battery?

Marques Brownlee 34:23 Hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 34:23 Could be the materials they use.

Speaker 34:24 Maybe battery, materials. I don't know.

Andrew Manganelli 34:25 Oh, yeah, less battery. It's-

Speaker 34:27 Less battery. Yeah, but not by a lot. How, how much does 100 milliamp hours weigh?

Andrew Manganelli 34:31 I mean, if we're talking about-

Marques Brownlee 34:32 Great question [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 34:32 ... inside of a phone, it's probably one of the more dense things in a phone

Speaker 34:35 That's just a, they're just electrons.

Marques Brownlee 34:36 Versus the cameras

Speaker 34:36 ... they can't weigh that much.

Marques Brownlee 34:37 Um, the things we don't know about the Pixel are how good is the new Tensor chip, and what sort of new features will that unlock?

Speaker 34:45 Right.

Marques Brownlee 34:45 That is kind of the only way that I think that they can sell me on these phones being, like, substantially new in any way.

Andrew Manganelli 34:51 I don't have the leak, and I can tell you that already.

Marques Brownlee 34:53 [laughs] We, I have-

Andrew Manganelli 34:54 Not much better, and something that will be available-

Marques Brownlee 34:56 Wow

Andrew Manganelli 34:56 ... on all the other Pixels three months after.

Marques Brownlee 34:57 Yeah.

Speaker 34:58 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 34:58 I have had this optimism before for Pixels, and it has not worked out for me.

Speaker 35:02 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 35:02 So I am, I am not gonna cross my fingers or hold my breath, but that is a thing that we don't know yet, is what are they gonna show on stage? Oh, Tensor has, whoa, more TPU, more AI features, more stuff that-

Speaker 35:12 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 35:12 ... you can't do on the previous phones until six months later.

Speaker 35:15 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 35:15 We'll see.

Speaker 35:16 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 35:16 But that's what we don't know.

Speaker 35:17 I did see a report that the new, um, the new Gemma model is, like, being optimized for Tensor on the Pixel 10 and above. So it's possible they have more TPU accelerators, stuff like that.

Andrew Manganelli 35:30 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 35:30 But as far as what actual features this makes better, whether or not it's, um, you know, Google Photos features or whatever, and then it'll probably, yeah, just all go to the cloud, and everyone will have it in three months.

Marques Brownlee 35:41 Yeah.

Speaker 35:41 Well-

Marques Brownlee 35:41 This, this feels like if you upgrade from a Pixel 10 Pro to a Pixel 11 Pro, you get a worse phone.

Speaker 35:48 Pixel 10 Pro to 11 Pro is a worse phone?

Andrew Manganelli 35:49 The selfie camera's-

Marques Brownlee 35:50 But who's up-

Andrew Manganelli 35:51 Worse

Marques Brownlee 35:51 ... upgrading from a 10 Pro to an 11 Pro?

Andrew Manganelli 35:54 Possibly.

Speaker 35:55 Besides me.

Andrew Manganelli 35:55 But wh- then why wouldn't you upgrade from a Pixel 9 Pro to a Pixel 10 Pro that's u-

Speaker 36:00 Right

Andrew Manganelli 36:00 ... like, cheaper-

Speaker 36:01 Beings cheaper

Andrew Manganelli 36:01 ... and on sale? [laughs]

Speaker 36:02 That's probably the better move.

Andrew Manganelli 36:03 Yeah, this is...

Marques Brownlee 36:04 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 36:05 I mean-

Speaker 36:05 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 36:05 ... maybe there's some other stuff we don't know, but usually the stuff we don't know is software features that go to another phone later anyways.

Speaker 36:11 Yeah. Very

Speaker 36:12 curious. Well, there's a new Samsung Flex Titanium display technology that is apparently, allegedly, going to be used in the Fold 8 and the Fold 8 Ultra Um, in previous Samsung Galaxy Folds, they have used a plastic backing material against the OLED, and they have reportedly developed a new Flex Titanium which swaps the plastic support stack that used to be under the OLED panel with a new titanium alloy film, which Samsung is claiming has about 20 times the mechanical stiffness of the old polymer. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 36:46 Great.

Speaker 36:46 There's-

Andrew Manganelli 36:46 Wait, what does this do?

Speaker 36:48 So, obviously-

Andrew Manganelli 36:48 I don't understand

Speaker 36:49 ... there's a couple things it does.

Andrew Manganelli 36:51 Yeah.

Speaker 36:51 You want ... Did you want to say?

Andrew Manganelli 36:52 I guess I'm, I'm assuming this is basically ideally going to bring the hinge creaselessness of whatever new Fold comes out up to the level of what we just saw with-

Speaker 37:02 Oppo

Andrew Manganelli 37:02 ... I wanna get the name right, the Oppo Find N6. Is that what it's called, the Fold?

Speaker 37:05 Uh, I don't know.

Andrew Manganelli 37:06 The best foldable-

Speaker 37:06 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 37:06 ... peak foldable.

Speaker 37:07 Peak foldable.

Andrew Manganelli 37:07 Find N6. Uh, which we've seen that one. It's like a super impressive lack of a-

Speaker 37:13 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 37:13 ... of a hinge crease-

Speaker 37:14 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 37:15 ... when you're actually using it. So it's beautiful. Uh, and Samsung's now, we look at it side by side, and we're like, "Oh, Samsung actually does-

Speaker 37:20 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 37:20 ... kind of still have a crease." So they have essentially directly responded to it by also doing the same thing, putting metal right behind that little-

Speaker 37:27 Yes

Andrew Manganelli 37:27 ... crease and flattening it out. So-

Speaker 37:28 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 37:29 ... hopefully it works.

Speaker 37:30 It's supposed to make it a lot stronger too. I will say almost everyone I know who has a Flip, after about a year to a year and a half, uh, the crease in the center cracks. So apparently this should not crack [laughs] , theoretically, hopefully, on God, for real this time.

Andrew Manganelli 37:47 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 37:47 Um, and yeah, it's supposed to be a lot more flat and stable. Right now, when the, uh, when you unfold it, there's like a little dip in the center, and that's just because the plastic support cannot actually ... Like, it's not stiff enough to keep it flat. This is supposed to be much more stiff. Um, also, because they are using this material now, they don't have to put reinforcement layers on the display, which means that there are less layers between the OLED and your eyes. So they say that they don't have to put as much power in order to achieve the same brightness because there is less diffusion happening on top of the OLED.

Andrew Manganelli 38:22 Great.

Speaker 38:23 Uh, how much power that actually saves, I'm not totally sure. This could just be their marketing spin.

Andrew Manganelli 38:27 But any little ... It's like an electric car. Like, any little efficiency improvement, we'll take it-

Speaker 38:31 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 38:31 ... because these phones don't have the biggest batteries.

Speaker 38:33 For sure.

Andrew Manganelli 38:34 Yeah.

Speaker 38:34 For sure. So we should be seeing that, um, yeah, next time y- the next podcast we'll be talking exactly about these things. We'll know everything about them, so.

Andrew Manganelli 38:41 Everything.

Speaker 38:42 Everything.

Speaker 38:43 No.

Speaker 38:43 Everything. Yes.

Speaker 38:44 No.

Speaker 38:45 Yes.

Speaker 38:45 The next podcast we'll be doing a game show.

Speaker 38:47 Oh. Oh, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 38:49 Yeah, where we talk about everything from Samsung.

Speaker 38:50 [laughs]

Speaker 38:51 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 38:51 Right?

Speaker 38:52 A day early. [laughs]

Speaker 38:52 Yes. The next podcast-

Andrew Manganelli 38:54 Yes

Speaker 38:54 ... the next podcast-

Speaker 38:55 Uh

Speaker 38:55 ... is Trivia Extravaganza.

Speaker 38:56 That's right, baby. [trumpet blows]

Andrew Manganelli 38:58 Finally.

Speaker 38:58 Finally.

Speaker 38:59 Finally.

Speaker 38:59 Finally.

Andrew Manganelli 39:00 And then the next, next podcast-

Speaker 39:01 And then, yeah, then-

Speaker 39:02 Will be everything

Andrew Manganelli 39:02 ... it's Trivia Extravaganza 2.

Speaker 39:04 Yeah.

Speaker 39:04 Electric Boogaloo.

Speaker 39:05 The Triveny.

Speaker 39:06 The Triveny.

Andrew Manganelli 39:07 [laughs]

Speaker 39:08 Yeah. So, um, well, the next real regular ... Well, not real. The next regular scheduled show you'll be hearing-

Speaker 39:14 Wow, tell us how you really feel, David

Speaker 39:15 ... I'm so ... Okay, it's only real-

Speaker 39:16 Minus five points

Speaker 39:17 ... if I win, okay?

Andrew Manganelli 39:18 I think what he's trying to say is everyone should hit the subscribe button to know when-

Speaker 39:21 That's true

Andrew Manganelli 39:21 ... both of those podcasts are out.

Speaker 39:23 That's true. You wanna know. You just wanna click. Uh, yeah, so that should be interesting and exciting. We are gonna learn more about that next week.

Andrew Manganelli 39:32 Speaking of learning more about things, you know that always happens when we do trivia. [upbeat music]

Speaker 39:39 See what I did there?

Speaker 39:40 Nice.

Andrew Manganelli 39:41 I was gonna say, I try and forget all the ones I get wrong-

Speaker 39:43 I saw it

Andrew Manganelli 39:43 ... because they just make me mad instead.

Speaker 39:45 True. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 39:45 It's a lot.

Speaker 39:46 You learn temporarily.

Speaker 39:47 Pete Lau, who founded OnePlus, right?

Speaker 39:51 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 39:51 Okay, I wasn't sure if he was the OG guy or if he came on later. But anyway, Pete Lau, when describing his aspirations for OnePlus all the way back in 2014, 12 years ago, said that he wanted OnePlus to be which Japanese minimalist home goods brand, but for the tech industry?

Speaker 40:08 Hmm. I feel like I lear- I read this recently. What did he say? He wanted OnePlus to be something.

Speaker 40:16 He once said he wanted it to be the blank of the tech industry.

Speaker 40:19 Fujifilm.

Speaker 40:20 And it's a Japanese minimalist home goods store known for not putting their logo on any of their products.

Speaker 40:28 World Market.

Andrew Manganelli 40:29 Hmm.

Speaker 40:30 Trader Joe's.

Speaker 40:31 [laughs] Trader Joe-

Andrew Manganelli 40:33 [laughs] The Triveny

Speaker 40:33 ... Well, like we said, we will either get the answers right or we will learn something new. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. [upbeat music]

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Andrew Manganelli 41:53 All right, welcome back. This is my fourth time trying to get us back into the episode.

Speaker 41:57 Oh, no.

Andrew Manganelli 41:57 But Apple is suing

Andrew Manganelli 41:58 OpenAI, and that's fun, and they're doing it for stealing trade secrets, and the more you read about it-

Speaker 42:02 Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly

Andrew Manganelli 42:03 ... Allegedly, allegedly, but the alleged stories are very funny, so we're gonna tell you some of them.

Speaker 42:07 All right.

Andrew Manganelli 42:07 Um, we just posted a skit to the main channel called Apple's Winning the AI Race, and at the end, we kind of posed this question of what do you think is more likely? Do you think Apple will create good enough AI to make people stick with the iPhone if people are looking for AIs, or do you think, uh, someone like an AI company will make a good enough piece of hardware like a phone to make people switch off of iPhones? And-

Speaker 42:29 The first one

Andrew Manganelli 42:31 Yeah, I agree, but, uh, apparently OpenAI didn't, and their best thought was, "Well, let's just steal the iPhone [laughs] pretty much."

Marques Brownlee 42:36 That's them.

Andrew Manganelli 42:37 [laughs] Um, in a suit filed last week, the iPhone-maker alleges that OpenAI asked former Apple employees, um, even potential recruits, to bring information about unreleased products. They also are claiming that OpenAI-

Marques Brownlee 42:48 Recruits?

Andrew Manganelli 42:49 ... instructed hires on how to evade security procedures. I'll get to that in a second.

Marques Brownlee 42:53 What?

Speaker 42:53 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 42:53 That's a really funny image, though, of someone being like, "Hey, uh, your interview for, with OpenAI is tomorrow." "Oh, what did they tell you to bring?" "Uh, bring my resume, bring-

Speaker 43:01 Trade secrets

Marques Brownlee 43:02 ... trade secrets [laughs] from Apple-

Andrew Manganelli 43:03 Are you-

Marques Brownlee 43:03 ... a cover letter."

Andrew Manganelli 43:04 Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Because you're-

Marques Brownlee 43:06 No

Andrew Manganelli 43:06 ... it's worse somehow. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 43:08 Oh, somehow worse?

Andrew Manganelli 43:08 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 43:08 Okay, the... Yeah, keep going.

Andrew Manganelli 43:10 Okay, everything I'm going to do here is basically-

Marques Brownlee 43:12 [laughs] Allegedly

Andrew Manganelli 43:13 ... just... Well, yes, allegedly, but things I pulled from... There's a Bloomberg article, there's an Ars Technica article. Everyone covered this. I'm just going to tell you some of the things that OpenAI is allegedly doing.

Marques Brownlee 43:23 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 43:24 Um, because some of them are wild. So, o- one of the crazier things I read is that, um, Tang Yu Tan, a former Apple VP of the iPhone and Apple Watch product design-

Marques Brownlee 43:33 He was there for 29 years, by the way

Andrew Manganelli 43:35 ... yep, he is now the Chief Hardware Officer at OpenAI. He... I mean, like, first of all, you can swap- tech swaps jobs all the time.

Marques Brownlee 43:43 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 43:43 We're all used to that. But in the suit, it's alleging that, um-

Speaker 43:47 Is it a three-piece suit or a-

Andrew Manganelli 43:49 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 43:49 [laughs]

Speaker 43:50 This man became the chief hardware officer at a company that makes no hardware. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 43:54 [laughs] Yes, right? Well, they're working on it.

Marques Brownlee 43:56 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 43:56 Um, Apple's alleging that he took information about Apple's suppliers to him with OpenAI, and encourages interviewees at OpenAI to divulge confidential company information. He has, quote, "Directed job candidates still working for Apple to bring in actual parts from Apple to their interviews for show-and-tell sessions."

Speaker 44:15 What? [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 44:16 [laughs] Okay, that's just hilarious.

Speaker 44:17 Unrelated to the show-and-tell session we'll be doing later in this episode.

Andrew Manganelli 44:20 Yes, we... Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 44:21 That's true.

Andrew Manganelli 44:21 Um, and then, yeah. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 44:24 [laughs] I'm bringing in trade secrets.

Andrew Manganelli 44:25 [laughs] Hey. No. Not, oh, um, bringing in the physical products. Um-

Speaker 44:29 I got my MacBook Air.

Andrew Manganelli 44:29 He's relied on his insider knowledge, like knowing project's secret code names, to have Apple employees in their interviews discuss unreleased products. He also has used internal, allegedly, used internal Apple documents to create a checklist to help departing Apple employees circumvent security measures while bringing those trade secrets. Um-

Marques Brownlee 44:54 Messy.

Andrew Manganelli 44:54 Some of that is, the show-and-tell thing is hilarious.

Marques Brownlee 44:57 Yeah, that show-and-tell thing is like a par- it almost reads like an Onion article.

Andrew Manganelli 45:00 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 45:01 Uh-

Speaker 45:01 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 45:02 ... it is... I'm sure that there are, like, very specific things that Apple makes you sign to work there, and then, like, once you leave, like, you're not allowed to disclose a bunch of that stuff. But there also is probably a gray area that OpenAI is clearly going past, but there's probably a gray area of, like, well, the reason why OpenAI wants to hire you is because of your expertise and the places you work. That's how hiring works. But then they're just kind of being way more over the line about it, where they're like, "Yeah, bring all the s- bring the folders from your desk at Apple when you come to work here."

Speaker 45:34 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 45:34 Like, stuff like that.

Speaker 45:35 OpenAI has, has also hired over 400 people from Apple.

Marques Brownlee 45:38 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 45:39 And they have gutted so many teams at Apple that they have had to completely rehire for different organizations because so many people left to OpenAI.

Marques Brownlee 45:47 Yeah. Here's a little inside baseball, is like, the number one most common pitch I see in my inbox for companies that think that they're about to get a bunch of investment is, "We have a bunch of people that came from Apple."

Speaker 45:59 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 45:59 That is, like, the m- that's the, the golden words that you need to be able to say-

Speaker 46:03 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 46:04 ... to get people to be interested in your startup. Humane. Like, th- it's not new.

Speaker 46:08 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 46:08 This is not a new strategy.

Speaker 46:09 Right.

Marques Brownlee 46:10 So, yes, inevitably you're gonna get a lot of people who are, like, poached from Apple to go to this new place because they are promised a way bigger role and the ability to sh- like, shape some-

Speaker 46:20 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 46:20 ... crazy, new thing. And y- you're taking a risk, but yeah, that is [laughs] clearly over the line. [laughs]

Speaker 46:25 It's tricky because w- uh, during the Biden adminis- administration, they put forward a bunch of legislation that made it so they could not stop, uh, they could not make you sign agreements that say, "I cannot work at these tech companies-

Marques Brownlee 46:37 Non-competes

Speaker 46:38 ... for two years." Yeah, non-competes, basically. And they made it so they can't do that because then you're basically trapped at a corporation, and then you can't have a job for two years, which is insane.

Marques Brownlee 46:48 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 46:48 But on the other side of that coin, it's like, you know, even if you don't explicitly bring trade secrets, it's not like they can take the information out of your brain. You know what I mean?

Marques Brownlee 46:58 Yeah.

Speaker 46:58 And it's very-

Marques Brownlee 46:59 Yes

Speaker 46:59 ... very, very difficult to not-

Marques Brownlee 47:01 Yeah

Speaker 47:01 ... use that similar information or similar-

Marques Brownlee 47:03 It's part of-

Speaker 47:04 ... knowledge

Marques Brownlee 47:05 ... it's part of who you are. It's like, okay-

Speaker 47:06 I, I don't know, man

Marques Brownlee 47:07 ... I'm, I mean, it depends. Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 47:08 No, no, there's a difference between... Yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 47:09 I wanna, I wanna use a sports analogy for this one, 'cause I, it, it's helped me sympathize, not sympathize, but understand.

Speaker 47:14 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 47:15 When you are a unrestricted free agent-

Speaker 47:18 Mm-hmm

Marques Brownlee 47:18 ... from a, from a-

Speaker 47:18 Is this basketball again?

Marques Brownlee 47:20 Any sport

Speaker 47:20 I should let Nick explain.

Marques Brownlee 47:21 Any team sport-

Speaker 47:22 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 47:22 There are players that play for some teams who've played against other teams.

Speaker 47:25 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 47:26 And one team will win the championship, and then the next year they're a free agent. They just won the championship, and a competing team might go, "We would like to make a trade to get that guy."

Andrew Manganelli 47:36 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 47:37 "Because he's a good, because he's a good basketball player, but also because we know we're gonna have to beat that team again next year, and he knows all their plays. He knows the way they run and the way they're coached, and all these secrets that they have." And I'm not gonna ask him outright to be like, "Hey, we wanna trade for you. Like, are you gonna give us the playbook from your team?" But it's, it kind of just comes with the package. Like, that's part of who you are as a basketball player.

Speaker 48:01 He also wants to win.

Marques Brownlee 48:03 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 48:03 Dog-

Marques Brownlee 48:03 It's competitive

Andrew Manganelli 48:04 ... they, they brought in the actual thing. You're like-

Marques Brownlee 48:06 No

Andrew Manganelli 48:06 ... it's so different.

Speaker 48:07 That's not what we're talking about.

Marques Brownlee 48:08 I think that's what I'm saying. That's-

Speaker 48:09 That's not what we're talking about

Marques Brownlee 48:09 ... OpenAI is over the line, but in any, in any other, like, hiring situation, that that's, that's, like, part of the story of, like, who you're hiring.

Andrew Manganelli 48:16 I think the better analogy here is, like, Formula 1 and being like, oh, Lewis Hamilton or Adrian Newey is up, and we're gonna sign him at Aston Martin. He brings in a wealth of knowledge of developing the car.

Marques Brownlee 48:26 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 48:26 That's something they can expect. This would be like Adrian Newey showing up with-

Marques Brownlee 48:29 The blueprints

Andrew Manganelli 48:30 ... the, the front wing-

Marques Brownlee 48:31 Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 48:32 ... and being like, in his interview, like, [laughs] "This is what's helping us."

Marques Brownlee 48:35 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 48:36 Like-

Speaker 48:36 It's like him driving to work on his first day in the old car.

Andrew Manganelli 48:38 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 48:39 Like...

Marques Brownlee 48:39 Yeah. Uh, Apple is also alleging that Lou left Apple on January 22nd, 2026, never returned at least one company laptop, and he texted a former colleague still at Apple- Writing, "Lol, I found out I can access the network storage. So funny." Her reply was, "I'm ready." [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 48:59 And then she left Apple and went to OpenAI after. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 49:02 So-

Speaker 49:02 Wow. They do have some... They got some dirt, I'm gonna say.

Marques Brownlee 49:05 Yeah, the text trails are-

Andrew Manganelli 49:06 Yeah, he, like, used some bug through and can still access, could still access the network storage while he was already working at OpenAI. It's-

Marques Brownlee 49:12 It's crazy

Andrew Manganelli 49:13 ... some of this stuff is, like, a whole nother level [laughs] of-

Marques Brownlee 49:18 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 49:18 ... of not just, like, "Oh, I have a bunch of experience from Apple," to just like, "I have the Apple things."

Marques Brownlee 49:23 I would like to remind everybody that currently on the iPhone there is an OpenAI AskChatGPT integration. [laughs]

Speaker 49:30 They were supposed to be friends.

Marques Brownlee 49:32 Yeah.

Speaker 49:32 Buddy buddy.

Marques Brownlee 49:33 Really awkward.

Speaker 49:34 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 49:34 Oh, but then this morning... Don't worry, everyone, we have a resolution to this already.

Marques Brownlee 49:40 Really?

Andrew Manganelli 49:40 Uh, yes. Hold on.

Marques Brownlee 49:42 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 49:42 Where did I post this?

Marques Brownlee 49:43 Tell me more.

Andrew Manganelli 49:43 Um, OpenAI says it has seen no evidence supporting Apple's trade secret theft claims.

Marques Brownlee 49:47 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 49:47 They've, they have-

Marques Brownlee 49:48 They've seen it

Andrew Manganelli 49:48 ... investigated themselves.

Marques Brownlee 49:50 I've conducted-

Andrew Manganelli 49:50 They find themselves totally innocent. [laughs]

Speaker 49:52 Oh, okay.

Marques Brownlee 49:52 An investigation and found nothing wrong.

Speaker 49:54 Oh, that's crazy. Okay, well-

Speaker 49:56 This is ridiculous

Speaker 49:56 ... I guess they can just, they can just move-

Andrew Manganelli 49:58 This is a company that-

Speaker 49:59 ... on. Classic

Andrew Manganelli 49:59 ... stole everything being like, "Wait, wait, we didn't take that." [laughs]

Speaker 50:02 [laughs] We didn't, we didn't take that, though. Yeah, we literally tol- took everything, but we-

Andrew Manganelli 50:06 But guys-

Speaker 50:07 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 50:07 ... we already built so many things on the things we stole. Do you think we could just use it anyway?

Speaker 50:11 This is like, you remember that episode of Futurama where Bender walks around singing that song and goes, "I love stealing. I love taking things." [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 50:17 That's exactly...

Speaker 50:18 [laughs]

Speaker 50:19 Oh, my God.

Speaker 50:19 Yeah. Out in the open, out in the open, baby. It's kind of like Suno. Little, little tangent, but there was a report this morn- Suno got hacked, and, uh, all the source code got leaked. And all the source code is, like, YouTube tags and it-

Marques Brownlee 50:31 Yeah.

Speaker 50:31 It's just-

Marques Brownlee 50:32 And Genius

Speaker 50:32 ... and Genius lyrics, which are also copyrighted. This is all cop- this is all stolen. Um, yeah, there's a lot going on there. This is gonna be a really fun lawsuit to watch play out.

Andrew Manganelli 50:43 It's gonna be the more discovery there is, the more fun we're all going to have.

Speaker 50:46 Oh, my God. Can't wait for discovery.

Andrew Manganelli 50:47 Ultimately, what's probably going to happen is it's just going to take forever. OpenAI is probably gonna have to, like, pause what they're doing hardware-wise and try and redo things as much as they can without looking like they're taking anything from Apple-

Speaker 51:01 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 51:01 ... or else Apple's going to collapse.

Speaker 51:03 But that's the other thing, is they kinda still do want to look like they're taking things from Apple. That- [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 51:08 They took Jony Ive.

Speaker 51:09 That's-

Andrew Manganelli 51:09 They took Jony Ive from Apple.

Speaker 51:10 Yeah. And Ferrari took Jony Ive and, and was proudly like-

Marques Brownlee 51:13 Look at that stinker

Speaker 51:13 ... "This is the guy who did the Apple stuff. Now he's with us."

Marques Brownlee 51:16 They made the Luche.

Speaker 51:16 "That makes it good, right?" Like, that's-

Marques Brownlee 51:18 No

Speaker 51:18 ... it's so... And yeah, it didn't work. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 51:20 Notice how he's still the, the former Apple guy, not the Luche creator. [laughs]

Speaker 51:24 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um-

Marques Brownlee 51:25 Okay, question. If you're hiring someone, like you're OpenAI and you're hiring someone for their knowledge of, like, a certain part of the market and their relationships and like, "Oh, I know these factories," blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you hire them away from someone like Apple, how does that person then not just go back and use those same factories? Like, there's only so many factories you can use to build things.

Speaker 51:45 I don't think China cares.

Marques Brownlee 51:47 No, but I mean, like-

Andrew Manganelli 51:49 You're saying to use the factories?

Marques Brownlee 51:50 Like, the per- To Marques's point, it's this guy's knowledge of these factories. Like, "Oh, I know this one factory builds this thing."

Andrew Manganelli 51:57 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 51:57 He has that knowledge no matter what.

Andrew Manganelli 51:59 Yeah.

Speaker 51:59 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 51:59 Whether or not he's bringing in old iPhone parts or whatever, or new iPhone parts.

Speaker 52:03 Yeah. That's gonna be-

Marques Brownlee 52:04 He'll know.

Speaker 52:04 This is what I'm saying.

Andrew Manganelli 52:05 Yeah.

Speaker 52:05 You can't restrict knowledge, and this is the whole reason why these non-competes existed in the first place. But it, by non-competes existing, you're also basically locking people into a company. So it's kind of-

Marques Brownlee 52:15 But even two years later, I'm still gonna know that company exists.

Speaker 52:17 Yeah, for sure.

Andrew Manganelli 52:18 Knowing the factory doesn't mean you're gonna know how they're building everything in it. I mean, you could use it again, but then it would be the factory breaking trade secrets, that they probably have some sort of contract in, in how things are built and whatnot.

Speaker 52:30 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 52:30 Plus, chances are, if you're going to the factory Apple's using, Apple's probably using them at a pretty high capacity already.

Speaker 52:36 Yeah. I mean, I remember, uh, getting a tour of the Pegatron factory.

Marques Brownlee 52:40 Hilarious name.

Speaker 52:42 And, uh-

Marques Brownlee 52:43 Hilarious name

Speaker 52:43 ... they were building the iPhone 10 there while I was there, and that's how that stuff gets leaked.

Andrew Manganelli 52:48 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 52:48 Yeah.

Speaker 52:48 It's, like, very, very simple.

Speaker 52:50 There's, there is a difference between just, like, knowledge-

Andrew Manganelli 52:53 Yeah

Speaker 52:53 ... and, like, trade secrets, though.

Andrew Manganelli 52:55 And-

Speaker 52:55 Like, you can-

Speaker 52:55 That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 52:56 Like, you can-

Speaker 52:56 But yes, but that's the gray area.

Andrew Manganelli 52:58 They... It's out-

Speaker 52:59 I don't know, man.

Andrew Manganelli 52:59 If all these alleged things happened, we passed the gray area?

Speaker 53:02 Yeah.

Speaker 53:03 No, yeah. Those things are-

Andrew Manganelli 53:04 [laughs] Okay

Speaker 53:04 ... past the gray area. But I think there is a gray area in knowledge that you had to do your job and trade secrets, and I'm sure Apple probably explicitly defines some things as secret and cannot be traded, but the things that aren't explicitly defined are just kind of like, oh, proprietary.

Andrew Manganelli 53:21 Well, you can be n- you can have a, not have a non... Uh, sorry. There's too many-

Speaker 53:27 Non

Andrew Manganelli 53:27 ... yeah, too many abbreviations here.

Speaker 53:29 Non, non, non.

Andrew Manganelli 53:29 You can have-

Speaker 53:31 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 53:31 ... a contract that doesn't involve a non-disclosure, but you could still probably have NDA things that you learned at the company that if it were to be those things came out, you'd be breaking that contract. No?

Speaker 53:42 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 53:42 Yeah.

Speaker 53:42 Just never open your mouth.

Marques Brownlee 53:44 Here's another thing that happens a lot in my inbox-

Speaker 53:46 Okay

Marques Brownlee 53:47 ... is I'll get an email from someone who was working at one smartphone company or one car company or whatever-

Speaker 53:53 Oh, OnePlus

Marques Brownlee 53:53 ... and they go, "Hey, it's my last day at the job. Just wanted to say it was great working with you. Here's me passing you off to your new contact here." And then five minutes later, I'll get an email from the same person, "Hey, I'm now working at this company. Good to be in touch. Here's some stuff to just get our relationship started." So they are taking their contacts-

Speaker 54:13 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 54:13 ... from one relationship that they had at one company-

Speaker 54:15 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 54:15 ... to another one. Is that trade secrets? No. Is that part of the knowledge you have on the job? Kinda, yeah.

Speaker 54:21 That's just how business works.

Marques Brownlee 54:22 Just, that's why you got hired.

Speaker 54:23 Yeah. Literally.

Marques Brownlee 54:24 You're a PR person who has those contacts.

Speaker 54:25 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 54:26 So yeah, it goes with you.

Speaker 54:27 It goes with you. Well, funny enough, uh, OpenAI-

Andrew Manganelli 54:30 None of this is legal information, or legal-

Speaker 54:32 Legal advice.

Andrew Manganelli 54:33 Yes.

Speaker 54:33 Legal advice. Uh, or

Speaker 54:35 financial advice. Funny e- uh, related to this, related to this, OpenAI, big, big report out of Bloomberg this week. Uh, OpenAI's first hardware device is reportedly a movable screenless speaker built as an AI companion.

Andrew Manganelli 54:49 I thought it was an iPhone.

Speaker 54:50 Not... That's not their first one. It will be their second probably. Um, if-

Marques Brownlee 54:54 This is actually really interesting.

Speaker 54:55 They're actually allowed two.

Andrew Manganelli 54:56 Why are we calling it a movable s- it's a Bluetooth speaker.

Speaker 54:59 It's a Bluetooth speaker.

Andrew Manganelli 54:59 [laughs]

Speaker 55:00 But, but-

Marques Brownlee 55:01 But it's not Bluetooth

Speaker 55:01 ... it's not Bluetooth. It's probably Wi-Fi.

Andrew Manganelli 55:03 Oh.

Speaker 55:04 They have, um, it has... Anyway, I'll, I'll go through.

Andrew Manganelli 55:06 Who cares if-

Marques Brownlee 55:07 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 55:07 [laughs] So it's going to be a smart speaker that lives in your home, and it will exist as a sort of companion that you'll be able to talk to casually, control other smart home devices, play media, respond to messages, and tap into the full range of capabilities offered by ChatGPT. It kind of sounds like the Sonos Roam speaker, their little portable speaker that you move around the house that both has Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Um, they s- uh, German says that it will become im- it will become more personalized and proactive as it grows to understand its owner over time, and it will use a more advanced version of the ChatGPT live feature they just announced last week to communicate with users. It can listen and talk at the same time, adapt naturally to conversations, and quickly process information. It's designed to stay in your home, but it will be extremely easy to move around different rooms, so if you, like, take it to the washing machine room or something, if you live in a house and you're rich, unlike me, um-

Andrew Manganelli 56:00 [laughs]

Speaker 56:01 ... it's supposed to have-

Andrew Manganelli 56:02 The laundry room. [laughs]

Speaker 56:02 I don't have a laundry room, bro.

Andrew Manganelli 56:03 [laughs]

Speaker 56:04 The device is said to have mechanical elements that can move on their own to give the users a sense that the device is actually responding and is a bit more anthropomorphized.

Andrew Manganelli 56:13 Don't love that.

Speaker 56:14 You mean like that Apple research paper-

Speaker 56:15 Um, just-

Speaker 56:15 ... they put out a few years ago?

Speaker 56:16 Yes. Just like that confidential trade secret paper. Uh, it will include a camera and other sensors to better understand its surroundings and context. Don't love that part. And reportedly, OpenAI is working on five different hardware devices, including the phone, uh, but it plans to announce this one this year, and probably release it in '27. Though, because of this lawsuit, uh, it's very possible this gets pushed by, like, a year.

Andrew Manganelli 56:41 This might stay in... Ah, who knows? It-

Speaker 56:44 Does this mean we're gonna-

Andrew Manganelli 56:44 I don't want a speaker that gets more proactive. That might be the l- the worst feature I could think of on a, a thing-

Speaker 56:52 What do you mean?

Andrew Manganelli 56:52 ... that's constantly-

Speaker 56:53 Why?

Andrew Manganelli 56:53 ... listening and looking at me all the time. I don't want it to-

Speaker 56:57 Yeah. No, you're right.

Andrew Manganelli 56:59 That's crazy. [laughs]

Speaker 57:00 You're right.

Speaker 57:00 It's crazy that it would, like, get more adapted to you as it learns you?

Andrew Manganelli 57:04 More... They're using the word proactive, which makes me think it will start-

Speaker 57:09 Prompting you 'cause it knows your stuff

Andrew Manganelli 57:10 ... It will start prompting me instead of me prompting it.

Speaker 57:13 [laughs]

Speaker 57:13 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 57:13 Like, I don't want to walk by it and it be like-

Speaker 57:15 It's like, "No, we've lost"

Andrew Manganelli 57:15 ... "Yo, what's up? Weather's pretty nice out today," and I'm going to pick up the movable speaker and move it as far into the woods as possible-

Speaker 57:22 You walk by it-

Andrew Manganelli 57:22 ... with a baseball throw

Speaker 57:23 ... and it just says, "Andrew, design a web app that does this."

Speaker 57:25 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 57:26 I'm gonna just toss it out the window. That sounds-

Speaker 57:28 Make no mistakes.

Speaker 57:29 Make no mistake.

Speaker 57:30 All of these tech bro- Like, there's so much discussion in the tech space right now about taste, and everyone, everyone thinks-

Andrew Manganelli 57:36 [laughs]

Speaker 57:37 ... doing things with taste means doing things with, like, an Apple hardware finish. You know what I mean? No, taste means not making a wife- a robot wife-

Andrew Manganelli 57:45 [laughs]

Speaker 57:45 ... in any capacity. I don't care if it's a dude. I don't care if it's a beautiful brushed aluminum speaker.

Speaker 57:50 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 57:51 Don't do it.

Speaker 57:51 But you know Sam Altman's-

Speaker 57:52 It's too obvious.

Speaker 57:52 Sam Altman's just trying to figure out as many ways as possible to get people to buy a ChatGPT subscription for life. Like, that's what he wants. He wants you to become attached to things. He wants you to just never want to unsubscribe to ChatGPT because you're basically ki- killing your friend if you do this. That's what he wants you to do.

Andrew Manganelli 58:09 Wait, so you-

Speaker 58:09 I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I think this is really interesting, and this is, this is kind of what came from that video that, that I just made, which was do you think that Apple with the iPhone will make an AI good enough to keep you on the iPhone or do you think a hardware comp- an AI company will come along and make hardware good enough to take you off of the iPhone? Every company is looking for what the next big thing is all the time.

Andrew Manganelli 58:30 Yeah.

Speaker 58:30 The iPhone has been the big thing for a long time, which has everybody on edge looking for the next big thing, and it seems like AI is going to be related to this next big thing in some way. And so if you're a company that's either new or very heavily invested in AI, and you think that there's a possibility that you can get someone to the next big thing that is not the iPhone, how do you make that? What is that thing? Those are all unanswered questions. This is gonna be one of the first big company attempts at the next big thing, and what they will absolutely not have is a way to connect it to the iPhone.

Andrew Manganelli 59:08 Yes.

Speaker 59:08 And so they'll have to do everything on this device anticipating that it never connects to an iPhone. It'll have to connect to the internet on its own. It will have to listen to the user and move and connect to the ChatGPT service on its own. And if you wanna have it do all the things that you were talking about that it's supposed to do, which is, like, um, play media, respond to messages, and do all this other stuff, how does it do that without talking to your iPhone? That's really tricky. But if you... The second that you make it connect to the iPhone, you are dependent on the iPhone, and it is therefore not the next big thing-

Andrew Manganelli 59:38 Right

Speaker 59:38 ... after the iPhone.

Andrew Manganelli 59:39 Right.

Speaker 59:40 And that's the challenge that they're all after. We saw this fail many times. Think of the Humane pin. Okay, we wanna build the next big thing. What if it's a pin that sits on your chest, and it has this little AI in it, and you can talk to it, and it listens to you, whatever. We all know that was a dumb idea, and it was way too early, and it was a bad product. But one of the things that it absolutely could not do was connect to the iPhone to get messages, to do any of the things we wanted it to do-

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:03 Yeah

Speaker 1:00:04 ... because the smartphone's so good.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:05 Right.

Speaker 1:00:06 So the challenge that, that seems impossible that is up against all these big companies, and ChatGPT or OpenAI is gonna try, is to make something that you are willing to use-

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:15 Yeah

Speaker 1:00:15 ... that never connects to your phone, and it's a really hard challenge, and it's probably gonna be a dumb, bad product, and we're way too early still, but that's the challenge ahead of them.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:24 That is exactly why specifically the line "respond to messages" perked my ears up.

Speaker 1:00:29 Yeah, same.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:30 Because-

Speaker 1:00:30 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:31 ... how are you gonna do that? Does that mean that they're gonna launch their own messaging service? Is that included in ChatGPT?

Speaker 1:00:36 That's [laughs] the exact issue Humane had.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:37 Do we get a ChatGPT messages or something?

Speaker 1:00:39 It's literally exactly the same thing, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:39 'Cause if you're gonna respond to iMessages, then you need to plug into the iPhone, which Apple will never let you do-

Speaker 1:00:43 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:44 ... even if you did hire Jony Ive. [laughs]

Speaker 1:00:45 This is the main thing for me. Like, OpenAI has trien- been trying to build out an ecosystem of tasks and things that ChatGPT is able to do. None of these things have to do with other people, right? And you cannot get rid of the iPh- you can't get rid of the phone without replacing the messaging ecosystem and the ability to talk to other people, work with other people in Slack-

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:06 Yeah

Speaker 1:01:06 ... in messages. Most of the things that we do on our phones are connect with other people digitally, whether it's social media, whether it's texting. OpenAI does not have that. So yes, you could probably make a bot that you talk to that is anthropomorphized, that you develop a relationship with, that you just sort of have conversations with, sure. But, like, replacing the iPhone- ... is insane. And I don't, I still don't know what they expect their phone to be. Because if it's a phone, it's just gonna be an Android phone. And like, sure, maybe it's optimized for ChatGPT in some way, and the reason they're doing that is 'cause they want you to keep using the ChatGPT subscription until you die.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:40 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:01:41 But it's not gonna replace the core fundamental features of what makes texting, texting, and what makes Slack, Slack. Like-

Marques Brownlee 1:01:46 Yeah

Speaker 1:01:47 ... they're never gonna get a critical mass to stop using the Messages app. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:01:51 Yeah.

Speaker 1:01:52 Insane.

Marques Brownlee 1:01:52 What I, what I do see is the people on the bleeding edge, the tech bros, as we call them, who are, like, trying to turn these AI chatbots into useful tools, and to have them do tasks for them, or to be useful to them or whatever, and there are existing ... I, I was just pulling it up, 'cause I think Johnny used one of these. Applaud, like a little note-taking-

Speaker 1:02:10 Oh, yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:02:11 ... companion, which is essentially just like a little-

Speaker 1:02:12 We sponsored our podcast-

Marques Brownlee 1:02:13 ... handheld thing

Speaker 1:02:13 ... every once in a while.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:14 Yeah. Which is like, it is just a little useful thing, which it can listen to the meetings that you're in and summarize them for you, or it can listen to the notes that you talk to it, and it can bring back that stuff later proactively when it thinks you wanna hear that stuff again.

Speaker 1:02:24 Marques-

Marques Brownlee 1:02:25 "Oh, remind me this"

Speaker 1:02:25 ... was not paid to say that that time, but we have been paid to say that other times.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:28 Correct.

Speaker 1:02:29 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:29 Good disclosure.

Speaker 1:02:29 So we're ... Yeah. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:02:30 Good disclosure.

Speaker 1:02:30 Disclosure.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:30 But it's an example of a thing that does not connect to your iPhone, but uses AI to try to be useful.

Speaker 1:02:37 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:02:37 And the more big ambitions you have with this thing to be useful, the more you start to overlap with, "Oh, well my phone can do that already," or, "Oh, well, I think I'll ... It's just easier to do that on my phone instead of, like, also getting a second device to do that." And that's where you're up against, like, well, what do we make this thing do? Does it live alongside your iPhone-

Speaker 1:02:55 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:02:55 ... like the AI pin tried to? Is it just, like, a thing I have in my pocket sometimes, and I take it with me everywhere? Is it wearable so it's on me all the time? This one, the first descriptions of it kinda sounded like a HomePod, like it was plugged into the wall. But it's clearly not.

Speaker 1:03:06 It's certainly not.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:07 So it's like a battery-

Speaker 1:03:07 It's got a battery pack

Marques Brownlee 1:03:08 ... powered thing.

Speaker 1:03:08 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:08 So you put it in your pocket with you all the time?

Speaker 1:03:10 I don't think it ... No, no, no, you're not supposed to take it out of your home.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:12 It's out of your ... It's in your home all the time. It never leaves.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:14 Yeah, it's a Bluetooth speaker.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:15 So yeah, it's like a-

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:16 That's, yeah, not just Bluetooth.

Speaker 1:03:17 Wi-Fi speaker.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:17 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:18 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:18 So it is, it is interesting-

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:19 Wired

Marques Brownlee 1:03:19 ... to see what their attempt of it will be. And then of course, they will shower this with former Apple designers and, and lots of-

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:26 Well

Marques Brownlee 1:03:26 ... people who-

Speaker 1:03:27 Hopefully it doesn't look like a torch

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:28 ... maybe they didn't hire an Apple designer from HomePod, because they maybe have a bunch of old casings from Sam Altman's stupid iOrb thing that he tried to sell a long time ago.

Speaker 1:03:36 They're still using that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:37 They're still u- For what?

Speaker 1:03:39 Dude, to prove you're a human, bro-

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:40 This is the-

Speaker 1:03:40 ... and get rich off crypto

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:41 ... this is the original reason I thought Sam Altman-

Speaker 1:03:43 Get rich off stone, baby

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:43 ... was a loser. But this is-

Speaker 1:03:45 Prove you're a human, rich off crypto, you, bing, you're, you're done.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:49 It's for UBI, baby.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:49 Tell, tell me you couldn't see this orb thing b- being a little speaker with a camera sensor that would, like, talk to you.

Marques Brownlee 1:03:57 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:58 Like, this, this is almost what I-

Marques Brownlee 1:03:59 It looks like a speaker

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:00 ... imagined it being. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:00 It looks like a membrane.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:01 It'd be so funny if this is what winds up being the hardware for, or something very similar to it. I'm not sure if I would-

Speaker 1:04:07 Say what you want, but I would be so happy to have a BB-8 just follow me around all day.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:10 Really?

Speaker 1:04:10 Chatting with me.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:11 Little BB-8 guy from Star Wars? That thing's so cute.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:14 [imitates BB-8]

Marques Brownlee 1:04:14 So apparently they're working on five hardware devices right now, which is-

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:17 Mm-hmm

Marques Brownlee 1:04:18 ... very interesting. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:19 I imagine one of them is planned to leave the house.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:22 Probably headphones maybe.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:25 That could make sense, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:26 Yeah. I don't know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:27 We also ... There's also, like, Apple is going to be trying to work on things that compete, too, 'cause they're also-

Marques Brownlee 1:04:32 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:32 ... constantly worried about what will beat the iPhone or be next.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:35 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:35 So, like, Air- AirPods with cameras, like, random AI stuff.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:38 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:38 They're always working on stuff.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:39 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:40 So-

Marques Brownlee 1:04:41 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:41 ... we'll see.

Marques Brownlee 1:04:42 I, uh, it's funny that An- I don't think Anthropic is gonna make hardware anytime soon. [laughs] I think they're just cool doing the B2B thing.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:48 Aren't they releasing, like, a keyboard?

Marques Brownlee 1:04:50 No, the, the Work Louder keyboard is with OpenAI.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:53 Also-

Speaker 1:04:53 That was with O- OpenAI?

Marques Brownlee 1:04:54 Yeah.

Speaker 1:04:54 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:55 Wait, wait. Just, if I can rant on that, it's literally something that's been available forever.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:00 It is. What is it?

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:00 It's just-

Speaker 1:05:01 It's a macro keyboard

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:01 ... Work Louder just makes a little macro pad. Work- We've talked about Work Louder here. They're an interesting company that makes a lot of stuff that goes on pre-order and almost never gets actually sold.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:09 Oof.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:09 It's just a macro pad they've had forever, and it says OpenAI on it. They've done it for Figma already. It's ... I'm pretty sure it's the exact same thing.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:16 Yeah, it's for Codex.

Speaker 1:05:18 Oh. Oh, okay.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:19 It's just ... Like, whatever that can do, you can do with any amount of buttons that can plug into a USB port. [laughs]

Speaker 1:05:27 The, the action button on my phone does that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:29 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 1:05:29 I, I, I was tr- I have a shortcuts head, so when you press the action button, it does speech to text, and then gives that to Claude. And it's just my, my Siri is now Claude button.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:38 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:38 Yep.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:38 I have Gemini.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:38 Asteam could do whatever that is. It's-

Marques Brownlee 1:05:40 Dude

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:41 ... it's nothing.

Marques Brownlee 1:05:42 Yeah. Well, in a

Marques Brownlee 1:05:43 move that nobody, uh, saw coming except for everybody, Meta wants to make glasses that record all the time. They're rumored to be working on this always-on [laughs] pair of AI glasses that are-

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:56 Recording? Not just ... What?

Marques Brownlee 1:05:57 ... constantly recording audio and snapping photos that you'll be able to ask Meta AI about later.

Speaker 1:06:02 The absolute cojones on this company-

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:06 I know

Speaker 1:06:06 ... is crazy. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:07 Dude, I ... We gave them credit last week for, like, working on the drilling out LED lights, and then this week they said-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:13 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:13 ... "Hold my beer."

Marques Brownlee 1:06:14 Hold my beer.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:14 [laughs] "I wanna make this even worse." They're like, they're working on a new pair of glasses that essentially would be recording audio and snapping photos every couple seconds-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:24 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:24 ... constantly.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:25 So you can talk about it later.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:26 Mm-hmm. So you can ask Meta AI questions about it later, like, a memory assistance, I guess.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:32 Yep.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:32 We've talked about this with other things. The-

Speaker 1:06:34 Oh, interesting

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:34 ... what was the bubble memory pickle thing? They claim that it wouldn't be, quote, "stored on, stored by Meta," and users wouldn't be able to access it. It would just be they would be pulling the metadata from it, and then you would be able to-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:47 Oh, see

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:48 ... prompt into it.

Marques Brownlee 1:06:49 Sure, guys.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:50 But they're also not sure if they're gonna use it to train their AI models-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:54 Not sure

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:54 ... which definitely means they're 100%-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:56 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:56 ... going to find a way that they can train from their AI models on it. They-

Marques Brownlee 1:06:59 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:00 We already saw them do that.

Marques Brownlee 1:07:01 So is, is this not exactly what we were talking about with, uh-

Speaker 1:07:03 It is

Marques Brownlee 1:07:03 ... the AirPods with cameras?

Speaker 1:07:06 Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:06 I wasn't here for that

Speaker 1:07:07 ... I don't, I don't-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:08 So there's a-

Speaker 1:07:09 ... think the AirPods are, with cameras are gonna be recording all the time, but-

Marques Brownlee 1:07:12 Well, they w- Okay, so recording, I think that the, that's a weird misnomer in the title. It's not recording, but it i- So the, here's what the rumor was for the AirPods. It was there was going to be cameras in-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:22 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:07:22 ... the stems of the AirPods.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:23 Right.

Marques Brownlee 1:07:24 And they were low-resolution cameras that are never recording video, but are always recording some low-resolution map of whatever, which is, like, kind of still video.

Speaker 1:07:32 Was that the rumor?

Marques Brownlee 1:07:33 But it would be ... Yeah. So it wouldn't be rec- it's not a high enough, like, quality camera to, to, like, record videos with it. But it would be able to sense your environment, the context-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:44 Yeah, it's more like a sensor

Marques Brownlee 1:07:44 ... Are you outside or inside? It's kind of like a low-res video sensor-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:47 Okay

Marques Brownlee 1:07:48 ... in a way that the AI can then use that to identify, oh, you're looking at a sign, or oh, you're outside right now or inside right now. And so it's constantly running-

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:56 Mm-hmm

Marques Brownlee 1:07:56 ... but it's not recording. And so this article, I'm reading it now, it's saying like, oh, there's this super sensing feature. Which is, again, it's not recording photos and videos, but it is always running so that it has-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:07 It's-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:07 ... the context of what's going on-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:09 Hmm

Marques Brownlee 1:08:09 ... when you're trying to ask it stuff-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:11 I read-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:11 ... or you're trying to engage with it

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:12 ... recording audio all the time and snapping photos every couple seconds.

Marques Brownlee 1:08:16 So this says in one proposed system, which is, this is all rumored-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:20 Yeah. Uh-huh

Marques Brownlee 1:08:20 ... raw footage and audio would not be stored by Meta or made available to the user. Instead, the metadata from the audio and images would be extracted, and that would be uploaded to a server for AI to query. So-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:31 But that's still being recorded with the camera on the thing, which is not a low-resolution camera, and still recording audio all of the time.

Marques Brownlee 1:08:38 Yeah, but that never gets accessed by even the device itself, I guess. It's just the metadata that gets accessed.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:44 The metadata gets sent or pulled-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:46 What does that mean?

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:46 But yeah, like, what does that mean? And w-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:48 Like, they're extracting metadata-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:49 It's not-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:49 ... from videos-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:49 Metadata is-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:50 ... and audio and-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:51 It needs to be stored at some point to extract that information

Marques Brownlee 1:08:54 ... stored locally. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:56 Yeah, but it can't all be stored lo- So I guess it's only uploading-

Marques Brownlee 1:08:59 No

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:59 ... the metadata? I don't know.

Speaker 1:09:00 And, like, you can't ask que- you can ask questions about metadata. There's no-

Marques Brownlee 1:09:03 Yeah

Speaker 1:09:03 ... like, it'll have, like, it'll have your location, it'll have the lens, it'll have the battery life when, when the thing got taken.

Speaker 1:09:08 Well, I think the transcripts maybe.

Marques Brownlee 1:09:09 I mean, it can make tags-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:10 Transcripts

Marques Brownlee 1:09:10 ... I guess, if you looked at a sign. But-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:12 Mm

Marques Brownlee 1:09:12 ... this is Meta. Like, why are we pretending that they're not gonna do the worst-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:16 Sooner-

Marques Brownlee 1:09:16 ... possible thing with this?

Speaker 1:09:17 Sooner or later, this data, someone's gonna discover you can buy people's memories from a data broker, 'cause they're obviously gonna be selling this for ad purposes, and it's, the whole thing's gonna explode.

Marques Brownlee 1:09:27 Yeah.

Speaker 1:09:27 It's the same, like, I don't know if you guys remember. This is like five or six years ago. The New York Times did this experiment where they started buying people in New York's commutes from data brokers because Google Maps was, like, tracking their location, you know, and keep it, like, had a record of like, oh, their commute starts at this place, and they go... This is where they work. And you could buy people's commutes by name from data brokers. And sooner or later, you're gonna be able to buy people's Meta glasses memories or whatever.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:52 Yeah.

Speaker 1:09:52 Like, like, what...

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:54 Even in a sense, like, before that level, like, if they, they're potentially training AI with this, then they're o- obviously going to be taking enough of a audio or picture sample to be able to train it. And the last time we saw them train with AI is a bunch of people doing private things. Th- Training AI is a bunch of people in a room looking at all of the photos and recordings, train- like, labeling them for AI to understand lately.

Marques Brownlee 1:10:21 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:22 It's-

Marques Brownlee 1:10:23 You know, I don't know. Obviously, all of this is rumored. Um, the Apple AirPods one, I would think that they would only do it if you asked it specifically, like, what am I looking at? What is that?

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:35 If that... I wasn't here for that, but-

Marques Brownlee 1:10:37 But yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:37 ... AirPods one. If that's what they're doing, you should be just as skeptical with them.

Marques Brownlee 1:10:40 Sure.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:41 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:10:41 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:41 If you have something constantly recording, you should be skeptical of it.

Marques Brownlee 1:10:44 I don't know. Maybe don't put cameras-

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:45 I think that's fair

Marques Brownlee 1:10:45 ... on your ears. I don't think we need cameras on our ears.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:47 I don't think we need cameras on our ears.

Marques Brownlee 1:10:48 I think when you're... The, the, the thing that makes the smartphone so good is that you are very intentionable, uh, intentional about everything you're doing, and it's very obvious to other people the things that you're doing most of the time. Even though, like, using a smartphone to take a photo is less in your face as using a camera, 'cause it's very obvious you're just taking a picture, and you can sneakily snap a photo with your smartphone. Holding it up to do a s- a thing, people can see.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:13 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:11:13 Staring at your screen, people can see. This is why, like, the Meta glasses with the, with the screen inside is, like, a bad idea, 'cause nobody knows that you're just surfing Instagram, you know?

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:23 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:11:23 I think it's important that the people around you have an awareness of what you're doing with the technology in front of you, and the more we try to hide this stuff, the worse it is for everybody's privacy, so.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:34 Yeah. Th- they specifically said in their statement that we read last week that, like, they need to be able for people to trust their products because, you know, this is a, a product that people are supposed to be wearing all the time. And the more people don't trust it, the more it's gonna get banned from different places, and therefore, like, they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with their own product.

Marques Brownlee 1:11:53 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:54 And at this point, I don't see why these products don't get banned from, uh, bathrooms, changing facilities, gyms, pools, like-

Marques Brownlee 1:12:04 F1 paddocks.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:05 F- [laughs]

Speaker 1:12:06 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:06 Like, they're gonna get banned from so many things that are part of your everyday life that these aren't going to be able to be things that you can have on your person as an everyday accessory, and they're gonna shoot themselves in the foot with it.

Marques Brownlee 1:12:16 Yeah. That's what's very hard about this, is that the banning of these things is gonna get more and more difficult the more smart glasses companies start to exist, right? Like, we have, we had Meta first, but now we have all of these smaller companies that are making smart glasses. Google's gonna start making them. Apple's gonna make them. It's gonna be very difficult for people to actually know what's smart glasses and what's not smart glasses.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:38 I have to assume by the end of next year, glasses with cameras in them will be banned from public restrooms.

Marques Brownlee 1:12:44 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:44 You don't think so?

Speaker 1:12:45 Dude-

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:46 From lobbying.

Speaker 1:12:46 Dude, no one is ever gonna take care of any of these tech companies, man.

Marques Brownlee 1:12:50 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:12:50 Like-

Marques Brownlee 1:12:51 I think that's very true.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:51 I think that might be a creepy enough thing that it, I could see it. Well, I mean, it's going to happen whether it's a government ban or just most private companies are allowed to ban it from their own public, their own spaces.

Marques Brownlee 1:13:04 But the problem, too, is that some of these, like the Meta ones in particular, have prescription lenses in them. So they are the people's glasses.

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:10 No, but that's-

Marques Brownlee 1:13:11 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:11 ... at that point, it, that's what shoots Meta in the foot, is because it doesn't matter if it's prescription glasses or not. If you're a facility that doesn't want recording in it like that, you ban it from it. And then if you either don't wear your glasses or you don't get to come in, or you have to have another pair of prescription glasses-

Speaker 1:13:26 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:26 ... which is annoying.

Marques Brownlee 1:13:27 Which is really annoying. Hmm.

Speaker 1:13:28 There's, there's, dude, I, I've straight up gotten ads on Facebook, like, like, recommended Facebook Marketplace

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:35 ... listings for crystal meth. Like, there's no [laughs] -

Marques Brownlee 1:13:39 What?

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:39 There is nothing that can be done about, about this. You know? Like, I, I really believe we're at a point where unless we have, like, some sort of radical change in the power structure of this country, they're just gonna do whatever they want, you know?

Marques Brownlee 1:13:52 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:13:53 And, and I can make all the jokes I want about, you know, benders stealing or whatever, but, you know, that's, that's how I feel.

Marques Brownlee 1:13:59 Yeah.

Speaker 1:13:59 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:00 I did look up the, the Apple story from a couple weeks ago, which, again, this is a rumored thing, so we don't know if it's coming out or not, but it was infrared cameras.

Marques Brownlee 1:14:07 Infrared?

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:07 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:14:08 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:08 So it's cameras, and people will say it's cameras, but there you go.

Speaker 1:14:12 Yeah. Yep.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:12 There.

Speaker 1:14:12 It's still a camera.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:13 That's a whole nother-

Speaker 1:14:13 If it's a camera, it's a camera.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:15 Yeah.

Speaker 1:14:15 There are people that still put tape-

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:16 Two-

Speaker 1:14:16 ... over their, like, webcams. You know, like-

Marques Brownlee 1:14:18 Yeah

Speaker 1:14:18 ... anytime there's a camera involved, people are super-

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:20 There are computers that come with a physical-

Speaker 1:14:22 Yeah, like a switch

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:22 ... a lot of, yeah.

Speaker 1:14:23 So, like, I think anytime you put a camera in your thing, people are gonna look at it with a skeptical eye. And they should.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:28 I mean, if you wanna th- if you wanna believe all the companies, you should even just be skeptical of it because if someone can somehow get into any of the thing... Like, most people do it for webcams more because if someone gets into your network, you're worried people are seeing what's on your webcam. There's 1,000 [laughs] reasons to be-

Marques Brownlee 1:14:44 But guys

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:44 ... skeptical of it.

Marques Brownlee 1:14:45 What is a photo anyway?

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:46 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:14:46 It doesn't matter.

Andrew Manganelli 1:14:47 The, the other thing I saw on this, which is still a rumor, is I guess they pulled up a statement from Meta a while ago that kind of breathed some information to what we talked about before. But they claim that the reason they don't want it lighting up during AI instances versus recording instances is that if it's lighting up all of the time, then people won't actually know when people are recording actively versus the AI recording it, and then become too accustomed to it that they won't actually know. Which just, one, two different color record- Oh. Oh ... two different color lights solved Meta. I'll take my check. How long did that take you? Just kidding. Go [beep] yourselves. 30 seconds of thinking? Um, but, but yeah, it's like, that's one of those things that, like, on the absolute baseline of it is like, that makes sense, and then you think about it for five seconds and you're like, that's just all for your benefit and not for the benefit of any of your users. Wow. So, stupid. But, uh, s- [laughs] so I can only assume always s- super sensing will not activate the recording light- Yeah ... because it would just be on all the time.

Marques Brownlee 1:15:44 And thus concludes our depressing Meta coverage.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:47 Well, whoa, wait. One more thing. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:15:49 Never mind.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:49 They are, well- Wait, wait. I'm gonna back up ... well, but wait, there's more.

Marques Brownlee 1:15:52 There's more.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:52 There is pote- they are also potentially thinking if they would bring this into existing products already. So, like, the current Meta glasses- Mm ... just getting...

Marques Brownlee 1:16:01 Out of your head.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:02 If you assume this could be a software update, right?

Marques Brownlee 1:16:04 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:04 It's got all the stuff it needs for it already. The cojones.

Marques Brownlee 1:16:08 Well, we'll see.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:08 And that-

Marques Brownlee 1:16:08 Thus concludes our depressing Meta coverage

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:10 [laughs] Sorry, guys, it- it's really hot in this room right now.

Speaker 1:16:13 It is.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:13 You know, maybe that is raising our tempers a little bit. Maybe we'd feel more sympathetic. Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:16:16 Our tempers. Sure.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:17 This is a pretty stupid one. What did, Marques- This is crazy ... what was, how'd you, how'd you post this in Slack when it happened?

Marques Brownlee 1:16:23 What?

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:23 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:16:24 Um, what did I say?

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:24 It was like, "Could Meta be more tone deaf?"

Marques Brownlee 1:16:26 Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:26 And then just posted an article that just says, "Meta wants to make glasses that are recording all the time."

Marques Brownlee 1:16:31 Yeah. This is not new, by the way. Meta wanted to put, like, that thing in your house. What was that called?

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:35 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 1:16:35 That little screen that had a camera on it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:37 It was, um-

Speaker 1:16:37 Portal

Marques Brownlee 1:16:37 ... the Portal

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:37 ... Portal.

Marques Brownlee 1:16:38 The Facebook Portal.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:38 I re-

Marques Brownlee 1:16:38 They wanted to put that in your house years ago. They've always wanted to put cameras.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:41 I remember-

Marques Brownlee 1:16:42 Oh, yes. Oh, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:43 ... they were-

Marques Brownlee 1:16:43 They are not allergic to cameras

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:44 ... early into me working for you, and you were like, "We just got an ad opportunity."

Marques Brownlee 1:16:48 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:48 "And it's the most money we've ever been offered." And-

Marques Brownlee 1:16:51 It's an instant no

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:52 ... and he sent it to me, and I was like, "We can't do this." He's like, "Yeah, I know we can't do this." [laughs] "It's, it's Facebook Camera in your house. We obviously can't do this." He's just like, "Just crazy."

Marques Brownlee 1:17:02 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:03 So no more.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:03 They've had the, they've had the cojones for many years.

Speaker 1:17:05 Listen, I love-

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:06 Everyone wants a camera in your house

Speaker 1:17:07 ... I love the Meta glasses as a GoPro. The moment-

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:11 It, it is

Speaker 1:17:12 ... that you're using them for anything else, just take them off.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:14 [laughs] They're a way cooler GoPro, pretty much.

Speaker 1:17:15 It's like, if you're snowboarding, sure, I wanna see your f- first person, like, POV video. That's super cool. If you're surfing, if you're doing anything extreme sports. But, like, if you're just walking on your, like, daily commute to the train station, just wear regular glasses. It's fine.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:29 Yeah. These are not Meta glasses, by the way.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:32 That's what-

Marques Brownlee 1:17:32 Just so you know

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:32 ... allegedly.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:33 Sometimes, sometimes they're shaped like Meta glasses 'cause Meta glasses are shaped like regular glasses.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:36 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:36 And you kinda have to, like-

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:38 Do a double take

Marques Brownlee 1:17:39 ... let people know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:40 Oh, I- Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:40 By the way-

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:40 I got got by the Oakleys on the train the other day. Oh, yeah. I was like, "Why are those Oakleys so thick?" The Meta ones? Yeah. Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:17:45 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:45 And I was like... 'Cause also, like, I don't know if, I hadn't seen this before, but the Oakleys I saw only had a camera on one side. No, they usually only have- And they, and they, and they had a stud on the other side. Like, there was something port- Is that not-

Marques Brownlee 1:17:56 I was on the other side?

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:57 The Oakley ones have it in the center from what I remember. No, no, the Oakley running ones. The normal Oakley ones are just like the Ray-Bans.

Marques Brownlee 1:18:04 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:04 Oh. The, the first Oakley ones that came out are more like a pair of glasses that just look crazy-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:09 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:09 ... and kinda cool at the same time. I hate that I kinda like them. But you're talking about the, like, Oakley running, like, Pit Viper-esque-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:15 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:15 ... uh, from last year.

Marques Brownlee 1:18:16 Wow.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:16 Yeah.

Speaker 1:18:16 Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't those. It was a slightly more normal pair of Oakleys.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:19 If you saw someone with those just on the subway, I'd, I don't know if I would be worried about the camera or what this person's about to, like, launch out of the subway-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:27 I would assume he's-

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:27 ... on some record run that he's going on and-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:30 Yeah, he's gonna-

Speaker 1:18:30 Yeah, parkour out or something.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:31 [laughs] Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:18:31 Record run, and his time's gonna be like 14 minutes a mile.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:34 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:18:34 I guarantee you.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:35 That's-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:35 Everybody in Brooklyn, they wear their, like, shiny rainbow glasses and their Bandit running $100 shorts, and they run, like, 14-minute miles.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:44 Wow.

Speaker 1:18:44 Listen, 14-minute miles-

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:45 They are-

Speaker 1:18:45 ... is better than no-minute miles

Marques Brownlee 1:18:46 Hey, don't gatekeep running

Speaker 1:18:47 ... miles. Don't gatekeep running. It's for everyone.

Marques Brownlee 1:18:48 You're allowed to be bad at running and run.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:50 Yeah.

Speaker 1:18:50 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:51 And pay $1,000 to do it.

Speaker 1:18:51 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:51 I run 14 mile, 14-minute miles in, you know, a heavy cotton T-shirt and my $20 running shorts and-

Marques Brownlee 1:18:56 Everyone, that's what I'm saying. If Ellis can do it in that, you don't need those Oakley glasses.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:00 Yeah, but it's part of getting yourself invested. You can buy fancy-

Marques Brownlee 1:19:03 Yeah, I-

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:03 ... golf clubs and shoot 150, and no one's mad at you for getting the clubs. You're out there on the course with the rest of us. 150's really good though, right? That's high. It's quite bad. [laughs] Oh. It's maybe- You don't want high in golf ... maybe unsustainably bad. You don't want high. [laughs] Oh. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:19:15 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:16 But it's okay. Unsustainable. You're on the course. What does that- I don't shame anyone running or walking.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:19 What does, what does hit 150 mean?

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:21 Oh, God. Uh, in golf you play 18 holes. The object of the game is to have as few strokes as possible. So there's par threes- It's like swimming ... par fours, and par fives. So, like, a normal golf course- No ... is like a par 72 for the whole 18 holes.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:36 Does that mean you hit, you hit the ball 72 times to get all 18 holes in?

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:40 For even par, exactly.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:41 150 sounds horrible.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:42 So 150 is-

Marques Brownlee 1:19:44 It's pretty bad. [laughs]

Speaker 1:19:44 So best case scenario, you shoot an 18.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:48 What?

Speaker 1:19:48 Like, 18 holes in-

Marques Brownlee 1:19:49 Oh, a hole in one on every hole?

Speaker 1:19:50 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:51 Oh, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1:19:51 Like, that would be, like, the best score you could possibly get.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:53 Allegedly, I shouldn't even say this-

Speaker 1:19:54 So 8.3 strokes-

Marques Brownlee 1:19:56 [laughs]

Speaker 1:19:56 ... per hole.

Speaker 1:19:57 Say it.

Speaker 1:19:57 I-

Speaker 1:19:57 Say it.

Marques Brownlee 1:19:58 No, I'm not gonna say it.

Speaker 1:19:59 I feel like I know what you're going to say.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:00 You're about to call out someone for being bad at golf?

Speaker 1:20:02 No.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:02 No, it's a, it's a totally unrelated political statement I'll say. [laughs]

Speaker 1:20:07 I just- [laughs]

Speaker 1:20:07 No.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:08 [laughs]

Speaker 1:20:08 No, no.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:08 We won't even say it on the pod.

Speaker 1:20:09 How bad is-

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:10 Speaking of political statements-

Marques Brownlee 1:20:12 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:12 Trivia.

Speaker 1:20:12 [laughs] You know what else is unsustainably bad?

Marques Brownlee 1:20:16 [laughs] The state of the world.

Speaker 1:20:18 [laughs] All right, so we spoke about the Meta glasses always recording just now for the last half hour of my life.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:25 Yes.

Speaker 1:20:25 But it immediately made me think of a different AI camera that was constantly recording that Google released in 2017.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:33 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:20:33 What was it called?

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:34 Oh, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:35 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:20:35 Do you remember?

Marques Brownlee 1:20:35 I remember this.

Speaker 1:20:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:36 Do you know what's funny? Super sensing would be really great for were you paying attention?

Marques Brownlee 1:20:42 [laughs]

Speaker 1:20:43 You, you remember how-

Marques Brownlee 1:20:44 Super sensing

Speaker 1:20:45 ... Marques, you remember how nobody was mad about the Google camera that was always recording in your house?

Speaker 1:20:49 Yeah. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:20:49 [laughs]

Speaker 1:20:49 No one used it. Everyone hated it.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:50 Yeah. Wait, why was nobody mad about that? I- maybe they were. I mean-

Speaker 1:20:54 Because we were n- we were not.

Marques Brownlee 1:20:56 It was also just more, like, a dorky thing that no one would buy, but the Meta glasses are already everywhere.

Speaker 1:21:00 And it was, like, cute. You were supposed to use it with your kids.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:02 And it's only in your house, though, so you can't creep on people 'cause it's only in your house.

Speaker 1:21:05 Oh, true, true, true, true, true, true, true.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:06 That's a big thing.

Speaker 1:21:07 It was your call to, like, let-

Marques Brownlee 1:21:09 Get you... It's you getting creeped on-

Speaker 1:21:10 ... Google spy on you

Marques Brownlee 1:21:10 ... instead of creeping on other people.

Speaker 1:21:11 By Google, instead of creeping on other people.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:13 I see.

Speaker 1:21:13 That's true. That's a big difference.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:14 This just made me realize I don't know what the product is-

Marques Brownlee 1:21:16 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:16 ... 'cause I thought it was something else.

Speaker 1:21:17 But I also think that since then, we have just been cursed with knowledge.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:21 Yeah.

Speaker 1:21:21 We were willfully ignorant-

Marques Brownlee 1:21:23 We understand-

Speaker 1:21:23 ... for a long period of time

Marques Brownlee 1:21:24 ... many more motivations now.

Speaker 1:21:26 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:26 Yeah.

Speaker 1:21:27 Money.

Marques Brownlee 1:21:28 Yeah. Okay. Well, answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. [upbeat music]

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Speaker 1:22:36 Welcome back. So for this last segment, we are going to do a game. I am going to shout out, uh, one of my favorite podcasts that I've been listening to recently. It's After the Whistle,

Speaker 1:22:46 which is a soccer podcast all about the World Cup, and they have a segment at the end called Bits and Bobs, where they talk about random little things that have something to do with soccer, maybe not, maybe it does. I thought it would be fun for us to do it, and then as I was explaining it to everyone, they were like, "So Show & Tell."

Marques Brownlee 1:23:01 [laughs]

Speaker 1:23:02 And I was like, "Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, okay." So, so Show & Tell. We're gonna do Show & Tell. Who wants to go first?

Marques Brownlee 1:23:07 I'm bringing in my trade secrets.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:08 I was gonna say, I brought in-

Speaker 1:23:10 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:10 ... secret Apple parts. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:23:12 Here's the blueprints for the-

Speaker 1:23:13 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:23:13 ... restoration iPhone.

Speaker 1:23:14 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:23:15 Um, I-

Speaker 1:23:16 So this is just stuff we've been, like, enjoying recently?

Marques Brownlee 1:23:19 Yeah.

Speaker 1:23:19 Enjoying, things that you're excited about.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:21 Yeah. Wait, can I read what you described it as-

Speaker 1:23:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:23:23 ... so I can justify what, what I brought?

Speaker 1:23:24 Perfect, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:25 Marques has a backpack that he won't let any of us see what's inside of.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:28 Yeah.

Speaker 1:23:28 We have no idea what's in the bag.

Speaker 1:23:29 What's in the bag?

Marques Brownlee 1:23:30 And also, David, you said something about you brought three things.

Speaker 1:23:32 I have, like, three things.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:33 And I also have three things.

Speaker 1:23:34 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:34 So just so everyone's-

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:35 Do you think this is a pretty long episode already, guys?

Speaker 1:23:37 I, I'll be quick.

Speaker 1:23:38 I'll, I'm gonna go first.

Speaker 1:23:39 They're all related.

Speaker 1:23:39 Okay, you go.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:40 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:23:41 My thing is my birthday present from Adam and Alex.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:45 Hmm.

Speaker 1:23:47 It is a VJ Edgecombe rookie card.

Marques Brownlee 1:23:50 Whoa.

Speaker 1:23:51 And also-

Marques Brownlee 1:23:52 [laughs] He is a rookie still, right?

Speaker 1:23:53 ... a VJ Edgecombe rookie card, and then eight more-

Marques Brownlee 1:23:57 [laughs]

Speaker 1:23:57 ... identical [laughs] VJ Edgecombe rookie cards, and I keep them on my desk, all 10 of them.

Marques Brownlee 1:24:02 That's cute.

Speaker 1:24:03 Aw.

Marques Brownlee 1:24:03 That's nice.

Speaker 1:24:04 That's adorable.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:04 Is he a Sixer? Alex bought something from-

Speaker 1:24:07 I know

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:08 ... that's a Sixer?

Speaker 1:24:09 That's dedication.

Speaker 1:24:10 That money. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:24:10 That's true dedication.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:10 He's fired.

Speaker 1:24:11 Listen, game recognize game. VJ Edgecombe is a baller.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:15 Has-

Marques Brownlee 1:24:15 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:15 Alex ever heard of Joel Embiid?

Speaker 1:24:17 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:24:19 Yeah. So none of my things are going to... Actually, one of them users or listeners might actually want to use. Um, okay, I'm gonna do a couple. So first one, fairly recently, um, I decided that I was going to mod my old N- uh, my old new Nintendo 3DS XL. So I did significant upgrades to it. There, funny enough, have been a lot of hardware advancements in the last, um, f- 20 years, whenever-

Speaker 1:24:47 As long as you don't need to buy RAM

Marques Brownlee 1:24:48 ... I didn't have to buy RAM for this. I did buy a battery. They sell batteries now that have 3X the battery capacity of the original one, which is-

Speaker 1:24:55 For the 3XL

Marques Brownlee 1:24:56 ... crazy for the 3DS XL, the new 3DS XL.

Speaker 1:25:00 It was foretold.

Marques Brownlee 1:25:01 I have this beautiful, um, galaxy color. I, uh, I remember I sold my original N- DS. The, it was the Ocarina of Time edition for it, which I regret because now that's worth a lot of money.

Speaker 1:25:14 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:25:14 But, um, I home brewed it, so now you can play practically anything on it. Pretty awesome.

Speaker 1:25:20 That you legally purchased yourself.

Marques Brownlee 1:25:22 Um, that I legally purchased-

Speaker 1:25:22 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:25:22 ... myself on the Nintendo store that doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1:25:26 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:25:27 And, uh, yeah, I've just been, I'm been playing, um, Ocar- uh, not Ocarina. I've been playing Legend of Zelda. Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 1:25:38 Zelda.

Marques Brownlee 1:25:38 It's the one after A Link To-

Speaker 1:25:39 Zelda

Marques Brownlee 1:25:39 ... it's the 3DS one that came out after A Link to the Past.

Speaker 1:25:42 Isn't it in... Can you just pull it out of the thing and read it?

Speaker 1:25:45 But no, it's on the s- it's software.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:46 Oh.

Speaker 1:25:47 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:47 What's the cartridge?

Speaker 1:25:48 A Link Between Worlds.

Speaker 1:25:49 A Link Between Worlds.

Speaker 1:25:50 A Link Between Worlds. I think it's Fire Emblem is the cartridge I have right now.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:52 Mm.

Speaker 1:25:52 Anyway, I've just been, like, you know, on the little subway. Uh, that's been fun.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:56 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:25:56 So yeah, that's been fun. Other things for the subway?

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:00 That's a good one. I think I gave Ellis or you my, my 3DS, or my DS, I forget. And I, I kind of regret it-

Speaker 1:26:07 Uh, I think Soto took it

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:08 ... so.

Speaker 1:26:09 Yeah.

Speaker 1:26:09 It was me. [laughs]

Speaker 1:26:11 Okay. Other fun thing that you guys might have fun with. I bought this recently.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:17 Ooh.

Speaker 1:26:17 It only costs $50. So this is called the Xte Ink. Uh, it is an e-reader-

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:25 Mm

Speaker 1:26:25 ... that is super, super thin.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:27 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:26:27 Doesn't even have a backlight. There's a lot of problems with it.

Speaker 1:26:29 [laughs]

Speaker 1:26:30 But, but it is very small. This is the X4. They also make the X3. What's cool with it is that it, they give you these MagSafe rings with it, and you can stick the MagSafe ring on the back, and it is perfectly sized for the back of your phone.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:46 Oh.

Speaker 1:26:47 So if you have, like, an iPhone Air or an iPhone Pro Max, the Xte, the 3 is, fits on the regular Pro, the 4 fits on the Pro Max. Um, yeah, it's pretty awesome. It just sticks to the back of your phone, and so then when you're on the subway, you can either play A Link Between Worlds, or you can just go on and flip your phone over, and suddenly you have an e-reader.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:06 Can't you read on the front part of your phone?

Speaker 1:27:09 Shut up, Andrew.

Speaker 1:27:10 [laughs]

Speaker 1:27:10 All right. Last thing really quickly. A piece of software that I've been enjoying a lot recently. It is called Typora, and it's writing, it's writing software. And you might find, you might think that's boring. You might think that's boring.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:24 Because it is.

Speaker 1:27:25 Because it kinda is.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:26 [laughs]

Speaker 1:27:26 But it's sort of just, like, very simplistic writing software that, uh, it has, like, it has support for markdown, and it's got all these different headings and paragraphs and it's like... It's, it's got a lot more features than Google Docs, and it lets you organize things better, but it's so simplistic, and it's so just, like, there is nothing else, that I found that when I'm writing with it, I'm just flying across the zone.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:51 Just get in the zone. I love those.

Speaker 1:27:52 When I'm on Google Docs, I get so distracted so easily. The fact that I'm in a browser with tabs is, like, horrible. Um, there's way too many things on Google Docs that don't work well. Like, image insertion is freaking horrible on Google Docs.

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:06 Still has that created AI in, as the first, like, clicking insert an image and then generate the right-

Speaker 1:28:12 Generate an image

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:12 ... is the first thing with Google.

Speaker 1:28:13 Or even just downloading images that you guys drop in the Docs-

Speaker 1:28:16 Yeah

Speaker 1:28:16 ... is the worst-

Speaker 1:28:17 Yeah

Speaker 1:28:17 ... in Google Docs.

Speaker 1:28:18 Yeah. And honestly, just not having other tabs available to me so I don't get distracted at all, and just, just thinking about what I'm writing. I've really liked this app. It's, um, they have a two-week free trial, and then it's, like, $15 once if you wanna buy it outright. And to me, that's very much worth it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:33 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:28:33 So no subscription, which is really nice. Uh, Typora for Mac, I really like it. So those are my three things.

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:39 Cool.

Speaker 1:28:40 That's nice. Andrew, what's yours?

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:41 I have one pretty simple one, but I'm in the middle of a podcast right now that I'm really enjoying.

Speaker 1:28:45 We are currently recording it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:46 So yes.

Speaker 1:28:47 You are in the middle of a podcast.

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:49 No, I've-

Speaker 1:28:49 Enjoy it

Andrew Manganelli 1:28:50 ... Claire found this podcast on Reddit. It's from, like, 2019. But it's about an actor who got hired for a role in Band of Brothers, and then Tom Hanks fired him after he already got hired because he saw his audition tape and said he has dead eyes.

Speaker 1:29:06 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:07 And so the entire-

Speaker 1:29:08 Don't you want that for Band of Brothers?

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:09 That's what every-

Speaker 1:29:10 It's famously a terrible movie

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:10 ... a lot of people say that. It's, like, awful Wor- World War II movie. Or no-

Speaker 1:29:14 Great movie

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:14 ... really good-

Speaker 1:29:15 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:15 ... miniseries-

Speaker 1:29:16 Yes

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:16 ... about World War II, but lots of people in World War II are generally. Um, but the whole thing is just him talking to other people in the movie industry that he knows that might know Tom Hanks and trying to figure out wh- what this comment about dead eyes means, to the point where he's... 'Cause it's 20 years ago at this point. That came out in, like-

Speaker 1:29:34 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:35 ... 2000.

Speaker 1:29:36 If the last episode doesn't end with him asking Tom Hanks to his face...

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:40 I w- he, the... I'm on episode 8 out of 10. So I'm getting really close to seeing if that's the... And I'm only assuming if people say this was a good podcast recommending that I'm hoping something along that line. He's tried to get in touch with the con- the, the s- uh, what's it called? Why can't I think of... The screening director, the-

Speaker 1:29:59 The casting director

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:59 ... casting director. Thank you. But she didn't wanna talk to him. And now, but a lot of the people he knows know Tom Hanks, so I'm hoping Tom Hanks gets in here-

Speaker 1:30:06 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:06 ... somewhere so he can ask him about. Uh, it's, like, four lines in one episode, but it happens to be episode five of Band of Brothers, Tom Hanks directs, even though he's in it already. Um-

Speaker 1:30:17 Can I ask a stupid question?

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:18 But it's really interesting.

Speaker 1:30:19 What is this podcast called?

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:21 It's called Dead Eyes.

Speaker 1:30:22 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:30:23 Oh.

Speaker 1:30:23 You didn't say that. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:24 Conner Radcliffe, I believe his name is. He's been in, like, a bunch of small things here and there. He's pretty, pretty f- he has, like, Jon Hamm on it. There's a lot of very impressive people on it. Um-

Speaker 1:30:35 You mean Jonathan Hamon.

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:37 Yes.

Speaker 1:30:37 Huge Bad Buddy fan.

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:39 Yes, huge. [laughs] But yeah, I'm enjoying it. I love these, uh, podcasts that are hyper-focused on something that's so trivial, but if you can make 10 episodes out of it, it's like, well, now I'm just invested. Um, so stuff like that-

Speaker 1:30:54 Shout to Reply All

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:54 ... I really enjoy. Yeah, shout out to Reply All. Shout out. It's, this is like serial for something that doesn't matter at all.

Speaker 1:30:59 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:59 Or only matters-

Speaker 1:31:01 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:01 ... to one person, and it really affected their life 20 years ago, and that's fascinating. So I'm excited to finish it, but if you need a quick podcast.

Speaker 1:31:11 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:11 Yeah.

Speaker 1:31:11 After you finish this one.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:13 After, of course.

Speaker 1:31:14 Then you can go to it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:14 After Waveform-

Speaker 1:31:14 Yeah, after Waveform

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:15 ... and you subscribe and listen to our whole backlog and let it play while you're sleeping.

Speaker 1:31:18 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:18 And then you can listen to Dead Eyes.

Speaker 1:31:19 Yeah, once you've gotten through the whole season.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:20 [laughs]

Speaker 1:31:21 Um.

Speaker 1:31:22 All right.

Speaker 1:31:22 Casses, what are yours?

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:23 I'm so intrigued.

Speaker 1:31:24 Mine, mine, so-

Speaker 1:31:25 What's in the bag?

Speaker 1:31:27 Yeah, I brought my ba- I brought my bag here. So my, at the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill, and I decided that that skill would be juggling. So I-

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:41 Oh.

Speaker 1:31:41 Whoa, what?

Speaker 1:31:41 At the beginning of the year, I bought-

Speaker 1:31:43 Wait

Speaker 1:31:43 ... a set of three juggling balls.

Speaker 1:31:45 How the [beep] has none of us known this?

Marques Brownlee 1:31:48 How did I never hear about this?

Speaker 1:31:49 We've talked about juggling at work before.

Marques Brownlee 1:31:51 Yeah.

Speaker 1:31:51 Is that what sparked it?

Marques Brownlee 1:31:51 So every day-

Speaker 1:31:52 What? [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:31:53 ... for the past six months, I've been juggling at the end of every day.

Speaker 1:31:57 What?

Marques Brownlee 1:31:57 And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good [laughs] at juggling these exact three items-

Speaker 1:32:05 Okay

Marques Brownlee 1:32:05 ... or items that are the same size and shape. So, like, three small oranges I can juggle really well.

Speaker 1:32:10 Like hacky sack-sized things.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:11 Uh, I will, I will demo it for you.

Speaker 1:32:13 Wait, how have you been-

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:13 I would like to see the goal for this should be by next year at any point when I'm at my desk, I can just throw something to your desk and you start.

Speaker 1:32:21 What? No way.

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:23 Cool. That was-

Speaker 1:32:24 I now feel like I know nothing about you

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:25 ... that was pretty good.

Speaker 1:32:27 What else are you hiding from us?

Marques Brownlee 1:32:28 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

Speaker 1:32:31 Dude.

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:31 Dude.

Speaker 1:32:32 Are you kidding me? [beep]

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:34 Probably, yeah.

Speaker 1:32:35 Good for audio listeners, honestly.

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:37 For audio listeners.

Speaker 1:32:38 Why?

Marques Brownlee 1:32:39 Uh, I-

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:40 Can I try?

Marques Brownlee 1:32:41 Yeah. I just thought it would be, uh... So Rufus can juggle. I was like, it looks like fun to be able to juggle, but I also, kinda like a Rubik's Cube, I wanted to be able to try something that didn't have instructions. So like a Rubik's Cube, it would be fun to learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube, but it's basically just learning and memorizing a set of instructions.

Speaker 1:32:59 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:59 I wanted it to be a little bit creative. Like, there's different, you see different types of juggling and like-

Speaker 1:33:04 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:33:04 ... people do different patterns and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:33:05 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:06 I think those still require instructions, but I've just been no instructions, just like throwing them up in the air and figuring it out for the past couple months.

Speaker 1:33:14 Hm.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:14 So that was-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:15 Adam, you probably know the-

Marques Brownlee 1:33:16 The brand

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:16 ... the, the brand.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:17 What is the brand?

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:18 Duncan.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:19 Yep. They make yo-yos.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:20 Yeah, man.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:20 Really good yo-yos.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:21 Duncan yo-yos when we were in like fourth grade were amazing.

Speaker 1:33:25 Wait, what do you mean? I still have one.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:26 You still have a Duncan yo-yo?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:27 You guys are into yo-yos?

Speaker 1:33:28 I'm hella into yo-yos.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:29 You guys are into yo-yos too?

Speaker 1:33:31 When I was a kid-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:31 I remember-

Speaker 1:33:31 ... I was so good at yo-yoing.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:33 Dude, I could do a bunch of the tri- I could do the, the-

Speaker 1:33:34 Can you? I can do that [beep] too, baby.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:36 How did this-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:37 Do you want me to-

Speaker 1:33:38 Wait, we should start a yo-yo corps.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:39 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:39 Yes.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:40 I didn't know you guys were into yo-yos.

Speaker 1:33:42 Marques is still juggling, by the way.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:43 This might be the oldest thing I've ever said, but when I was younger, I remember going to the Five & Dime and looking for a Duncan yo-yo in my town.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:51 What's a, what's a Five & Dime?

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:53 It's like a general store.

Speaker 1:33:55 I've never heard of Five & Dime.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:56 You probably might not know what-

Speaker 1:33:57 That's some, that's some unc stuff right there.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:58 Yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:58 It's a Dollar Tree here.

Speaker 1:34:00 Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:00 Yeah.

Speaker 1:34:02 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:02 But Five & Dime is older.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:03 Five & Dimes were y- Yeah.

Speaker 1:34:04 Like that Prince song.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:05 Wait, were they-

Speaker 1:34:06 What song?

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:06 Were they-

Speaker 1:34:07 Prince song?

Marques Brownlee 1:34:07 Raspberry Beret.

Speaker 1:34:08 Wait, I would like to remind everyone that this was Marques's first of three things.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:13 Oh, no, sorry. These are all three things.

Speaker 1:34:14 Oh, okay. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:34:16 It was, it was a pun.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:17 Three-

Speaker 1:34:17 I was like, what else have you been hiding from us?

Marques Brownlee 1:34:18 Yeah, sorry. That was it. That was the three things.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:20 We juggle sacks.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:21 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:34:21 Okay. So what is your thing, Adam?

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:25 My... Thank you for remembering my name.

Speaker 1:34:26 I couldn't remember. I was- [laughs] I was just looking at you.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:29 I blacked out.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:30 It's only been a decade, Brian.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:31 It's 150 degrees.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:32 It is 150 degrees. [laughs]

Speaker 1:34:33 I'm cooking in here, dude. My brain is on fire.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:36 Uh, mine is just an audiobook that actually Andrew put me onto called Dungeon Crawler Carl.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:41 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:42 And I'd had t- I had mentioned to him a couple weeks ago how I've been seeing this book everywhere, and I don't really know what it's about. Everyone's talking about it. Dungeon Crawler Carl, it's like a whole series, and he was like, he explained it to me in like two sentences in a way that made me instantly intrigued, and he was like, "Oh yeah, and the audiobook was pretty good, but I stopped listening to it 'cause blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." So I was like, "Okay, maybe I'll just start listening to the audiobook again." And the audiobook is more than pretty good. It is amazing.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:05 It's really-

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:05 It is really good. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:35:07 I just sometimes when, like, when my commute is too long, I find myself zoned out, and then I've missed however many minutes, and then it's so hard to find where I missed, but-

Speaker 1:35:16 It's what it is to be an adult.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:18 Yeah.

Speaker 1:35:18 It sucks.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:19 The, the reason it's everyone's talking about it is 'cause they just announced a Netflix version coming out.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:23 Oh, maybe that's what it is.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:24 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:24 Okay. Yeah, but it's really good. Great sound effects, great direction.

Speaker 1:35:28 Mm.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:28 Uh, the main actor, I forget his name. I'm terrible. But he acted his ass off.

Speaker 1:35:33 Voice actor.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:34 Like, it was so good. Yeah.

Speaker 1:35:35 Where do you listen to it? What, what app do you listen to it on?

Marques Brownlee 1:35:37 Unfortunately, it is exclusive to Audi- Audible.

Speaker 1:35:40 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:40 So if you're-

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:41 I was gonna say, on Audible

Marques Brownlee 1:35:41 ... if you're on Spotify, if you're on anything else, you have to, like, pretty much get Audible.

Speaker 1:35:44 I wish Pocket Casts had e-books.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:46 I know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:46 There's also like eight books.

Speaker 1:35:48 Yeah, there's eight audiobooks out, I believe. I don't know how many actual books there are. I'm not there yet. I'm on-

Marques Brownlee 1:35:53 Dungeon Crawler Carl

Speaker 1:35:55 ... the third one. Dungeon Crawler Carl.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:56 Yeah.

Speaker 1:35:57 Sounds like I would not want to listen to this.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:57 Andrew, you wanna give the synopsis?

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:59 It's-

Marques Brownlee 1:35:59 'Cause you're the one that sold it to me.

Speaker 1:36:00 Sounds terrible.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:01 I mean, it's like, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's a dungeon crawler game in book format. It's like a guy asked to enter a dungeon with random NP- like-

Speaker 1:36:11 That doesn't sound good at all

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:13 ... bosses and things.

Speaker 1:36:13 Dude, I know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:14 It's, I know. It sounds really silly, but it's pretty well done in the way they describe everything.

Speaker 1:36:18 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:18 Like, they describe, like, he's walking and question mark pops up, and he clicks question mark to, like, find-

Speaker 1:36:25 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:25 ... like, instructions. Uh, the way they do it all is really impressive.

Speaker 1:36:28 I've read the description so many times, and I was just like, "This sounds dumb." And then-

Marques Brownlee 1:36:32 It's like you're listening to a D&D game

Speaker 1:36:33 ... basically, yeah. It's like listening to a D&D game because I read it and I was like, "Yeah, no, not for me." And then when Andrew mentioned that he had been listening to it and he was like, oh, he really liked it, I was like-

Marques Brownlee 1:36:42 Oh

Speaker 1:36:42 ... "Let me actually give it a try."

Marques Brownlee 1:36:43 To be fair, D&D is, like, all imagination and just imagining things in your head, so I guess an audiobook would be good fodder for that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:49 This is, and it's not just like you're not just listening to a book of a guy playing. It's like the world has turned into this, and the only people-

Speaker 1:36:56 Sure

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:56 ... surviving have to go into, like, these dungeon gates that open up, and then you start dungeon crawling in the sense of, like, there's levels and bosses.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:05 Geoff Hayes, that's the actor. Geoff Hayes, incredible voice actor. Kills it.

Speaker 1:37:09 Okay, cool.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:10 So that was mine.

Speaker 1:37:11 All right. I like this. I think we should be recommending things more often.

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:15 We used to do that as an o- opening segment.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:17 Yeah.

Speaker 1:37:18 We did?

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:18 It was like a piece of content or a thing you wanted to share.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:20 Oh, yeah, one thing.

Speaker 1:37:21 We've done that?

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:22 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:22 Way long ago.

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:23 A while ago.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:24 Oh. In the before times. Why are you guys getting your, uh, boards ready? What do you think is coming up?

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:29 I have a feeling, uh, we might wanna answer some trivia questions now. [upbeat music]

Speaker 1:37:34 Do you have a pen?

Marques Brownlee 1:37:34 He's not wrong.

Speaker 1:37:36 How do the pens keep getting relocated?

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:38 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:38 Guys, what Japanese minimalist, minimalist, minimal- minimal- minimalist home goods brand did Pete Lau want OnePlus to be the tech industry equivalent of? Hit it. [tense music]

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:53 Japanese.

Speaker 1:37:54 I feel like this is more, um-

Marques Brownlee 1:37:58 What is the company? The, like, ROM, the Android ROM that became, uh, uh... Xiaomi. It feels like more like a X- like Xiaomi would be more of this, you know?

Speaker 1:38:07 Why?

Marques Brownlee 1:38:08 Well, I can't give it away.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:09 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:38:10 Give it away, give it away, give it away now.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:12 Nice.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:12 But I'll give it away later.

Speaker 1:38:14 I'm interested. Yeah, no, I- OnePlus never actually became anything close to a ROM.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:18 Not even, not even remotely. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:19 That was just a weird quote for 2014.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:21 I agree.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:21 [laughs]

Speaker 1:38:22 All right. Turn it around.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:25 Oh.

Speaker 1:38:26 Marques-

Marques Brownlee 1:38:26 [laughs]

Speaker 1:38:26 ... you put-

Marques Brownlee 1:38:27 The country of Japan

Speaker 1:38:28 ... is that the Japanese flag?

Marques Brownlee 1:38:29 Yep. The rising sun.

Speaker 1:38:31 It's not a bad artist rend- rendi- rendering.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:33 I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1:38:33 I mean, it's not a difficult flag to draw.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:35 Yeah, but-

Speaker 1:38:35 But-

Marques Brownlee 1:38:35 ... it's red. Give me some credit.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:37 He only has a black marker.

Speaker 1:38:38 Yeah, it's-

Marques Brownlee 1:38:38 Oh, I could've-

Speaker 1:38:39 It's monochrome

Marques Brownlee 1:38:39 ... damn it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:40 Oh. [laughs]

Speaker 1:38:40 Oh, you had the red marker too? [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:38:42 That's, that's-

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:43 Cut that, cut that, cut that.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:44 [laughs]

Speaker 1:38:44 [laughs] All right, Andrew, you put-

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:47 Uniqlo.

Speaker 1:38:47 That's incorrect.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:48 Sorry.

Speaker 1:38:49 But David, you put-

Marques Brownlee 1:38:50 Muji

Speaker 1:38:50 ... and Muji is the correct answer.

Marques Brownlee 1:38:53 I've never even heard of Muji.

Speaker 1:38:53 You've never heard of Muji?

Marques Brownlee 1:38:54 You've never heard of Muji?

Speaker 1:38:55 You don't, you all talk about what?

Marques Brownlee 1:38:56 I forgot you guys live in New Jersey.

Andrew Manganelli 1:38:58 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:38:58 Who's that guy?

Speaker 1:38:59 They don't have Muji in New Jersey?

Marques Brownlee 1:39:01 I don't know.

Speaker 1:39:01 Uh, Muji rules.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:02 Oh, we have it in US.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:03 Nah.

Speaker 1:39:03 My, my-

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:03 Is it... May I say this looks just like Uniqlo?

Marques Brownlee 1:39:06 Yeah, kinda.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:07 [laughs]

Speaker 1:39:07 It's, you know, but they, they sell less clothes and more other stuff.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:10 More like home goods and stationary.

Speaker 1:39:11 My, my slippers that I took-

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:12 This is, like, world market Uniqlo

Marques Brownlee 1:39:14 Yeah, but only Japan

Speaker 1:39:16 No. No, and they make everything

Marques Brownlee 1:39:17 ... not the world.

Speaker 1:39:17 They, they don't sell any non-Muji stuff.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:19 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:19 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:19 There is no Muji in New Jersey?

Speaker 1:39:21 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:22 That's what I said.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:22 Yeah, I literally never heard of it.

Speaker 1:39:23 Womp, womp. Uh, the slippers I have are Muji.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:25 There's one in Williamsburg.

Speaker 1:39:25 Here. Um-

Marques Brownlee 1:39:27 Yeah

Speaker 1:39:27 ... Muji rules.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:27 Muji rules.

Speaker 1:39:28 Uh, I have a lot of their mixing bowls, and I own some Muji slippers.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:31 Their stuff is really cheap and very good.

Speaker 1:39:33 And their pens, yeah, their stationery is really good.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:35 Yeah.

Speaker 1:39:36 All right, so for the last question of this trivia season-

Marques Brownlee 1:39:39 [gasps]

Speaker 1:39:40 ... are you guys ready?

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:42 These two are. I have no idea what it is.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:44 [laughs] I actually don't. I don't even know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:45 I thought I knew what it was.

Speaker 1:39:46 In 2017, Google released an AI camera. What was it called?

Andrew Manganelli 1:39:52 I don't remember this at all.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:53 I don't remember its name-

Speaker 1:39:53 I know

Marques Brownlee 1:39:54 ... though.

Speaker 1:39:54 'Cause you're not a king.

Marques Brownlee 1:39:56 Dang it. I remember what it looked like. I remember it sitting in the middle of your house and swiveling around-

Speaker 1:40:00 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:40:00 ... and looking at you, but I don't remember the name.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:02 It swiveled?

Marques Brownlee 1:40:03 It moved.

Speaker 1:40:04 It did not swivel.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:05 Or is this... No, sorry, I'm thinking of two things.

Speaker 1:40:07 There's a hint.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:07 That's a different thing. But you are supposed to, like, put it on your mantel and just kinda leave it there.

Speaker 1:40:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:12 Just gonna go with-

Marques Brownlee 1:40:12 Yeah, then I'm definitely wrong.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:14 Yeah, whatever happened to mantels?

Speaker 1:40:15 You never hear about people and their mantels anymore.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:17 Well, I have a good mantel.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:18 'Cause we don't have homes anymore.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:19 I got a great one.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:19 We have apartments.

Speaker 1:40:20 You got a fireplace?

Marques Brownlee 1:40:21 I have s- uh, oh, I got a mantel.

Speaker 1:40:23 Damn, all right.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:24 Damn.

Speaker 1:40:24 Proven wrong once again.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:25 Yeah, I like my mantel.

Speaker 1:40:25 He juggles, he's got a mantel. You've got a mantel?

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:28 I have a mantel.

Speaker 1:40:28 Do you guys have fireplaces?

Marques Brownlee 1:40:29 You've been to my house.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1:40:31 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:31 Yeah, I have a fireplace.

Speaker 1:40:32 That's crazy.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:32 We barely use it 'cause I'm afraid it's gonna set the whole house on fire.

Speaker 1:40:34 Does anybody have-

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:34 But it looks sick. And probably will split one day and set open one day.

Speaker 1:40:37 Fun fact, the house I grew up in had a fireplace but no mantel. Anyway, we need to do the score because I'm hungry and we, we have a game show to run.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:45 And we have to s- show our faces.

Speaker 1:40:47 Flip 'em and read. What do you got?

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:48 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:50 You ready?

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:50 Who wants to go first?

Marques Brownlee 1:40:51 That's what it was called. [laughs]

Speaker 1:40:52 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:53 Okay. Think, Marques, think.

Speaker 1:40:54 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:55 Uh, I wrote Cliqs, but that wasn't it.

Speaker 1:40:56 That was not it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:40:57 That's the keyboard.

Speaker 1:40:57 That's the Communicator.

Marques Brownlee 1:40:58 Yeah.

Speaker 1:40:59 Uh, Andrew, what'd you write?

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:00 I wrote Soli.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:00 [laughs] Soli.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:02 I think that's a good guess.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:02 Nice.

Speaker 1:41:03 That's not a good guess.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:03 A camera that's on all the time.

Speaker 1:41:04 But it was on a Pixel 4 XL.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:06 Yeah, and it sucked.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:07 [laughs] That's true.

Speaker 1:41:08 Yeah, there, there's a long video-

Marques Brownlee 1:41:09 All right, David, tell us what it is, David.

Speaker 1:41:10 Okay, Google Clips.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:12 Correct. Yeah, that's what it was. I was halfway there.

Speaker 1:41:14 I stay winning, brains.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:15 With that correct answer, the score is going into trivia.

Speaker 1:41:19 Hmm.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:19 David with 35, Andrew with 28, and Marques with 32.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:25 Wow.

Speaker 1:41:26 I prefer to stay at 32.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:27 Adam, how old are you?

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:28 I'm unk.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:29 All right. [laughs]

Speaker 1:41:30 None of these, uh, none of these scores are gonna matter in the next-

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:33 [laughs] An hour

Speaker 1:41:34 ... in, in 90 minutes.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:35 Great

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:35 ... anyways.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:36 We'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 1:41:36 Fat chance.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:36 Can we call this the pre-season?

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:37 [laughs] No.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:39 Wow, that's very sports of you. I know balls.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:41 [laughs] Yeah, it's, it's very sports of David because he's still getting it wrong, 'cause it would be like regular season-

Marques Brownlee 1:41:45 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:45 ... and we'd be going to playoffs.

Marques Brownlee 1:41:46 And we're going to playoffs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:41:47 Perfect, perfectly wrong. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thank you for listening and, of course, if you made it this far into the episode, comment-

Marques Brownlee 1:41:54 Your trade secrets

Speaker 1:41:55 ... comment your trade secrets down below.

Andrew Manganelli 1:41:57 Don't do that. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:41:57 Bring them... No, comment the most important top secret trade secrets down below.

Speaker 1:42:03 In Minecraft. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:42:05 We will for sure not use them, but we'll think about maybe hiring you if you leave good ones.

Speaker 1:42:10 [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:42:11 Anyway, catch you guys next week in our bonus episode, which will be Trivia Extravaganza. See you soon. Peace.

Andrew Manganelli 1:42:19 Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovan. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network, they are our condition designers, and we're also music by Vainseul. [upbeat music]

Speaker 1:42:38 Do you guys remember when everyone thought prompt engineer was gonna be, like, the new job everyone had?

Marques Brownlee 1:42:44 Yeah. Now it's just designer