We Skipped the Pixel Event

Speaker 0:00 When you hear that this new phone in 2026 has a custom RGB notification light, it, I wouldn't blame you if your first thought was, "Oh, great. When I get a spam call, it'll go red. When I get an email, it'll go green. When I get a Zelle, it'll go blue. When I get a Venmo, it'll go purple." And they have ... You have all these ideas about-

Andrew Manganelli 0:19 Yeah

Speaker 0:19 ... things you'll do with different apps. None of those things are possible as of right now.

Andrew Manganelli 0:23 None of ... Yeah.

Speaker 0:24 Just not on any phone. David Imel: We don't have the technology [laughs] .

Andrew Manganelli 0:25 Yeah. 20-

Speaker 0:26 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 0:26 The 2017 Note 8, it was, like, yellow Snapchat, blue Twitter, green messages.

Speaker 0:32 Hey, bro, the minimal phone does this.

Andrew Manganelli 0:33 [laughs]

Speaker 0:33 [laughs] Oh, my. No way. Really? Does it? [upbeat music] Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

Andrew Manganelli 0:46 I'm Andrew.

Speaker 0:46 I'm David. And this is a jump scare if you're not, uh, on the audio-only version, because we are definitely in a different place. We are in a very different place. We skipped the Pixel event, and we're in Spain. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 0:59 [laughs]

Speaker 1:01 For good reason. For good reason. Great delivery.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02 Very good.

Speaker 1:02 Maybe not the reason you expect. You'll find out very ... Oh, we'll probably talk about it, but you'll find out very soon. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:06 We should just say. You posted it on your story.

Speaker 1:08 Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08 We should just say it.

Speaker 1:09 We're in Spain because, uh, we wanted to go watch the total solar eclipse that came through here as of the day of recording yesterday. Not only did we watch it, we recorded a podcast episode right in front of it. Mm-hmm. And it turned out pretty incredible. It was- I'm very excited for you guys to see it. Yeah. It, it is why you will see that very soon in, not the same location, but the same country, anyway. Uh-

Andrew Manganelli 1:31 You, so you should subscribe.

Speaker 1:33 So yeah. For sure. Definitely, if you haven't gotten subscribed, this is a great time to get subscribed, because that will be showing up in your sub box very soon. Uh, but we still gotta talk about the Google stuff. We still do have thoughts-

Andrew Manganelli 1:42 We still care about it

Speaker 1:43 ... on the tech event of the week. Um, but first, did they even

Speaker 1:49 test this? [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:50 I have one that-

Speaker 1:51 Speaking of Google stuff.

Andrew Manganelli 1:52 Speaking of Google stuff, this is extremely relevant.

Speaker 1:55 I'm ready. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:55 Um, okay, so I've had this written down for a while, but this actually, timing-wise, works perfectly. So my did they even test this is that my Android Auto has switched to Gemini.

Speaker 2:06 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 2:07 Which at first I was like-

Speaker 2:08 Everybody

Andrew Manganelli 2:08 ... "Fine, whatever."

Speaker 2:09 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 2:09 "It's just a different voice." Um, but lately it has been not just-

Speaker 2:15 Famously, just a different voice

Andrew Manganelli 2:16 ... not just a different voice. That's it

Speaker 2:16 ... nothing else is different about it.

Andrew Manganelli 2:17 Yeah, yeah. Different voice, different name. Um, it's been messing up left and right for me, and I think it's partially because of that I'm speaking to it like the Assistant.

Speaker 2:29 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 2:29 Um, not like Gemini. So when I first got it, I was like, "I don't like this. I don't like change," but I gave it a shot, and it did some pretty impressive things. Like, I mostly use Android Auto, uh, for when I have an idea of something that I need to do in the car, and I can add it to my task app. You guys all-

Speaker 2:46 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 2:47 I'm still a task app user.

Speaker 2:48 You guys-

Andrew Manganelli 2:48 Google Task hard, and probably the most I add to it is, like, in my car, 'cause I'm like, "I have to do this thing today. I have to do this thing when I get home." And the other day I realized, like, I need to start my snowblower once a month just to make sure it's continues to run for winter, and I said to Gemini, "Hey, can you set a reoccurring task for the last Saturday of every month to tell me to start my snowblower?" Done. I was like, "Whoa, Gemini rules."

Speaker 3:13 In your car?

Andrew Manganelli 3:13 In my car. Lately-

Speaker 3:15 I would never get anything that complicated for my car. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 3:17 So lately, it can't get anything right. Um, I wrote down ... I went back in the history, because that's a fun thing with Gemini, and it's, soon as you can see your history, and I wrote down a couple-

Speaker 3:28 Oh

Andrew Manganelli 3:28 ... of the things I asked it to do. So in the old speak, what you would do is you'd say, "Hey, G-"

Speaker 3:32 The old speak. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 3:33 Yeah. "Remind me." And it would say, "What would you like me to remind you of?" And then you say the next thing. So I said, uh, "Hey, remind me." And it said, "What would you like?" And I said, "Find ice cream cake for Claire." And then it said, "I can't find anything right now."

Speaker 3:46 Hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 3:47 Error-ed out.

Speaker 3:47 Got confused.

Andrew Manganelli 3:48 It got confused. Then the next one I said, "Remind me." "What would you like to be reminded of?" I said, "Message Nathan about podcast outlines." Said, "I don't find, I don't see a Nathan in your contacts list." And then I did-

Speaker 4:01 So it was taking ... Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 4:02 And then I did another one.

Speaker 4:03 I see what's happening.

Andrew Manganelli 4:03 I said, "Set my Discord roster." This is something I do for a weekly fantasy league I'm in. And it just error-ed out. It didn't do anything. So my thought-

Speaker 4:11 To clarify, you do know a Nathan.

Andrew Manganelli 4:13 I do know a Nathan.

Speaker 4:14 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 4:14 I just don't have him on text. But-

Speaker 4:15 Got it

Andrew Manganelli 4:16 ... so what I think is happening is with the old speak, if the first word of the task is an actionable word-

Speaker 4:24 Hmm

Andrew Manganelli 4:24 ... it's forgetting the context of the conversation that we're having-

Speaker 4:28 Hmm

Andrew Manganelli 4:28 ... and just trying to then do the action.

Speaker 4:31 Right. Did you, have you tried at all as one- Yeah, you want to speak it with two- ... command instead of two separate ones?

Andrew Manganelli 4:34 I haven't, but I'm pretty sure the new thing should be able to do what the old thing should have done.

Speaker 4:40 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's the new one's supposed to be like ... I mean, they're all supposed to be this, but they're supposed to be like natural language.

Andrew Manganelli 4:45 Yes.

Speaker 4:46 So just talk to it like a person. So instead of the old speak, as you say-

Andrew Manganelli 4:49 Mm-hmm

Speaker 4:49 ... of, uh, first let me- The old words ... queue up the reminder thing-

Andrew Manganelli 4:52 Yes

Speaker 4:52 ... and then let me give it the reminder, uh, you gotta talk to it like a grandma who doesn't know that that's [laughs] the old speak, and you just go, "Hey, send me a reminder to text Nathan," and blah, blah, blah, blah, and then maybe it'll work better. Maybe.

Andrew Manganelli 5:02 So I've thought of that, and I agree, but also, the other thing new Gemini is supposed to do is understand context of conversations better.

Speaker 5:10 It's ... Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 5:10 And when the conversation is you ask me what you want me to remind you of, and I say the thing, it, if, if you were like, "Andrew, can you, uh ... After work, I really need you to remind me something." I was like, "Cool, what do you need me to remind you of?" And you're like, "Go to Ultimate practice."

Speaker 5:29 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 5:29 And then I said-

Speaker 5:31 Where's Ultimate practice

Andrew Manganelli 5:31 ... "Where's Ult-" Yeah, "Where's Ultimate practice?"

Speaker 5:33 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 5:34 Like-

Speaker 5:34 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 5:34 ... how would you like to get there? Like-

Speaker 5:36 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 5:36 ... I completely forgot that you just asked me to remind you of it, and then I'm just, like-

Speaker 5:40 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 5:40 ... talking about Ultimate. It, that's not natural anymore.

Speaker 5:43 No, it's not.

Andrew Manganelli 5:43 And especially when, like, the whole thing is, like, context. It's supposed to remember full conversations-

Speaker 5:47 Yeah, conversation

Andrew Manganelli 5:48 ... and we're not even-

Speaker 5:49 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 5:49 ... yeah, we're not even stopping the, uh, the conversation in there. I'm answering it.

Speaker 5:54 That's totally valid. Yeah. You know what this reminds me of, though?

Andrew Manganelli 5:56 What's that?

Speaker 5:56 In the Google presentation, 'cause we've seen this before with some demos, but the Rambler thing.

Andrew Manganelli 6:00 Mm-hmm. Yes.

Speaker 6:01 Where you'll be talking to it, and it's supposed to do speech-to-text, and I thought about this. It's, there are several things that you can do that are purely natural language, where you'd be like Hey, uh, I just wanted to say, uh, thanks for coming. I mean, uh, it was cool to have you there, and you, you start talking-

David Imel 6:18 Mm-hmm

Speaker 6:18 ... and then deleting things, and then saying more things, and it realizes you didn't wanna say that, and then, like, takes it back, and then adds a new thing-

David Imel 6:24 Yeah

Speaker 6:25 ... because of the way you're talking to it. And that's really cool, but I always wondered what if you wanted to, what if you wanted it to actually say-

David Imel 6:31 Say those things.

Andrew Manganelli 6:32 Yes

Speaker 6:32 ... the delete thing part?

David Imel 6:34 I had that problem already.

Andrew Manganelli 6:36 Really?

David Imel 6:36 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6:36 I think that's what's happening to you in, like, a different way-

Andrew Manganelli 6:39 Well-

Speaker 6:39 ... where it's suppo- it's supposed to hear, "Set a reminder," okay. And then, oh, this guy just realized he doesn't wanna set a reminder, he actually wants to message someone.

Andrew Manganelli 6:47 Mm.

Speaker 6:48 Instead of it's, like, one big command.

Andrew Manganelli 6:51 Mm.

Speaker 6:51 So it feels like that's what's-

Andrew Manganelli 6:53 Well-

Speaker 6:53 ... happening, I guess.

Andrew Manganelli 6:54 In, in a funny but impressive way, the one time I just, like, snapped, I, I think it was the, like, um... It was like, "What would you like to be reminded of?" I said, "Send Nathan podcast outlines." It said, "I don't have a Nathan in there. Would you like me to do... Or would you like me to text something else?" And I said, "No, I want you to set the reminder like I asked you in the first place." And it said, "Set a reminder for..." [laughs] And then it did it perfectly.

Speaker 7:16 Oh.

David Imel 7:16 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 7:17 Which is hilarious, but apparently you just have to get angry.

David Imel 7:20 This is like imagine if you could no longer Google things with SEO speak, and you had to only talk-

Andrew Manganelli 7:25 That's right

David Imel 7:25 ... to things with natural language, which is... Like, using Google when you know how to Google is way faster than talking-

Andrew Manganelli 7:31 Mm

David Imel 7:31 ... to an LLM.

Andrew Manganelli 7:32 100%.

David Imel 7:32 'Cause you have to type out everything.

Speaker 7:34 And then wait for it.

David Imel 7:35 Yeah, and if you can just use keywords, with, like, six keywords, it's so easy for me to find stuff. I just, I just use the main, big words, and then it finds it automatically.

Speaker 7:44 This is-

David Imel 7:44 But if you have to type out everything, it's like, that's so much less efficient.

Andrew Manganelli 7:47 That's so funny to think about, though, that... So we, we learned, Google comes, we learn SEO speak.

David Imel 7:53 Yeah.

Speaker 7:53 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 7:54 Natural language comes with Gemini, but when that takes over, are all, are we all gonna be like, "This would be so much faster if we could just speak to it"?

David Imel 8:02 Have SEO? [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 8:03 [laughs] And then we redevelop-

David Imel 8:05 I mean-

Andrew Manganelli 8:05 ... SEO speak into LLM.

David Imel 8:07 Yeah, SEO speak is just keywords, right?

Andrew Manganelli 8:09 Yeah.

David Imel 8:10 And we, w- if you use keywords, you're dropping all the irrelevant stuff.

Speaker 8:14 Yeah.

David Imel 8:14 But now we have to talk to it, like, in that natural-

Speaker 8:16 All the, "I would like to find," and-

David Imel 8:18 Yeah

Speaker 8:18 ... "I wish it would also have..."

David Imel 8:20 Now, I understand that-

Speaker 8:20 Words

David Imel 8:20 ... for most people that never learned SEO speak, you know-

Speaker 8:24 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 8:24 Yeah

David Imel 8:24 ... under a certain age, people are like, "I, I don't know. I'll just ask it and it'll tell me." Exactly. Like, I get that, and I totally understand that. And even with the Ramblr stuff, because, oh, my God, I've, I've had older relatives, like, try to talk to these, like, home assistants and stuff, and they just, they're like, "Hey, G, um, could you, uh, turn my lights on maybe, I guess? Like, maybe tomorrow at, at 3:00." And if that, if that works, that's amazing.

Speaker 8:51 Yeah.

David Imel 8:51 Right? That's incredible. But, but honestly, like, to your point, Marques, about the Ramblr thing, like, I have, I've tested this, um, on a, on a, on a Pixel, and when I'm trying to text somebody, like, this kind of more complex thing-

Speaker 9:04 Mm

David Imel 9:04 ... it takes out, like, all of the, the flair of your, of your-

Speaker 9:09 Mm

David Imel 9:09 ... sort of conversational tone.

Speaker 9:11 Yeah.

David Imel 9:11 Sometimes you wanna use, like, very specific kind of, like, lingo, and it makes it a lot more proper.

Speaker 9:17 That was-

David Imel 9:17 Which you don't always wanna do.

Speaker 9:18 Yeah. That was not an issue, but that was something I found which is, and I've been thinking about this a lot, that, like, the humanity of... This is so randomly deep.

David Imel 9:26 [laughs]

Speaker 9:27 The humanity is our imperfections, our inefficiencies.

David Imel 9:29 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 9:29 The personality.

Speaker 9:30 So-

Andrew Manganelli 9:30 The clips and we're all-

Speaker 9:30 They kept using, they kept using the example for Ramblr as, like, texting people.

David Imel 9:35 Yeah.

Speaker 9:35 I actually don't think that's ever what I'd use it for, 'cause it doesn't, it removes all of the me from the text.

David Imel 9:39 Yeah.

Speaker 9:40 I would use it for note-taking. I would use it for-

David Imel 9:42 Yeah

Speaker 9:42 ... like, a really, really long reminder that I wanna set for myself, where it removes the ums and ahs and it's very efficient.

David Imel 9:48 Yeah.

Speaker 9:48 But for texting, which is what they kept using as a demo, it's so, like, robotic.

David Imel 9:53 Like, yeah, proper.

Speaker 9:54 And perfect.

David Imel 9:55 Yeah.

Speaker 9:55 And that's not what I want necessarily from text.

David Imel 9:57 Totally. Totally.

Speaker 9:58 Anyway.

David Imel 9:59 I did use it to say, "What up, my G," and it did keep that.

Andrew Manganelli 10:02 It did?

Speaker 10:03 Oh, good.

David Imel 10:03 It did keep that, so I was happy with that.

Andrew Manganelli 10:05 'Cause that's very...

David Imel 10:07 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 10:07 I could see that.

David Imel 10:07 [laughs]

Speaker 10:08 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 10:09 I do think, like, for texting, the times when I would be using speech-to-text is when I'm, like, on the run doing something, where I'm like, I'm not probably putting much personality into it anyways.

David Imel 10:20 Right.

Andrew Manganelli 10:20 It's just, like, you need information, and I need to speak it to you as fast as possible, so then in that case, I don't care. But I'm sure there are lots of people, no matter how good Ramblr gets, where when you get that text message, you're like, you can tell person typed this, person speech-to-text this.

David Imel 10:35 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 10:35 Like, periods, capitalization-

David Imel 10:38 Yeah, totally

Andrew Manganelli 10:38 ... everything proper. You're just like-

David Imel 10:40 Oh, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 10:40 ... okay, they just yelled that into their phone.

David Imel 10:41 It's like you put too much effort into the-

Andrew Manganelli 10:43 [laughs] Yeah.

David Imel 10:44 You need to put less effort, because that's how I know you care. [laughs]

Speaker 10:47 Yeah.

David Imel 10:48 It's-

Speaker 10:48 Also, it's w- huh, everyone's always, "Oh, did you write this with an LLM? Did you write this with AI?" If you use Ramblr, is this now in the gray area of, like, well, you did write this yourself, but-

David Imel 10:58 You refined it

Speaker 10:59 ... kinda

David Imel 11:00 You refined it with AI

Speaker 11:00 ... you also kinda used, yeah-

David Imel 11:02 Yeah

Speaker 11:02 ... LLM for it.

David Imel 11:02 They made a weirdly big deal, and w- we'll get to the Google event in a bit, but they did make a weirdly big deal about the fact that you could add an emoji with your voice, which you could always do.

Andrew Manganelli 11:11 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 11:11 I, I've, I've done that a lot. I'm always like, "Heart emoji," or like-

Speaker 11:14 Yeah

David Imel 11:14 ... "Heart emoji."

Speaker 11:15 I think a lot of people didn't know you could do that before.

David Imel 11:17 Yeah, I guess, I guess it's just reintroducing features.

Speaker 11:18 It's just fun to say.

David Imel 11:19 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 11:20 It's like the Apple thing of, like, "And you can also..." It's like, well, you could do that for years.

David Imel 11:24 Your iPhone can send text messages.

Speaker 11:26 Wow.

David Imel 11:26 [laughs] Wow.

Speaker 11:27 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 11:28 Real quick, to go in, the first story I have here relating to, uh, the did they even

Andrew Manganelli 11:33 test this is all people who had Google Assistant got this email over the last week, um, that starting September 4th, Google is starting the process of removing access to Google Assistant on your phone, tablet, or paired devices. Once the ability is removed, you won't be able to switch back to Assistant. Um-

David Imel 11:48 RIP

Andrew Manganelli 11:48 ... RIP. There are a couple of funny things about this email that I thought. One is the intro sentence says, "Gemini, our next generation AI-powered assistant, is now the assistant experience on Android, asterisk. Uh, Gemini is AI and can make mistakes, including about people." So great start-

David Imel 12:05 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 12:05 ... to the email.

David Imel 12:06 Yep.

Andrew Manganelli 12:06 Uh, the paragraph after that saying assistant will be removed also says, "If your Android device meets the minimum requirements or y- and you're in a region where it's available." And then just doesn't say what happens if you don't meet those parameters. So I'm not sure if Assistant will stay, presumably.

David Imel 12:22 Mm.

Speaker 12:24 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 12:24 Or are they just-

Speaker 12:25 Yeah, I guess-

Andrew Manganelli 12:25 It has to be that, right?

Speaker 12:27 It's gonna be for extremely old phones. I haven't used Assistant in years because phones for the past eight years have all come out with this new... Maybe not eight years, but a long time, they all got an update to Gemini.

Andrew Manganelli 12:37 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 12:38 So phones with Assistant that didn't meet the system requirements for Gemini, I do wonder, do they just not have an Assistant anymore? Do they shut down Ass- the Assistant?

David Imel 12:46 I don't think so.

Speaker 12:47 It's gone.

David Imel 12:47 I think they'll just keep Google Assistant temporarily.

Speaker 12:49 They just keep it.

Andrew Manganelli 12:49 It's gotta be so minimal at that point.

David Imel 12:52 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 12:52 Right?

David Imel 12:52 Is, is it, like, regulatory bodies? Is that the whole reason that they can't change over in some regions? 'Cause sort of like how-

Speaker 12:58 Oh, yeah

David Imel 12:58 ... in the EU you can't use Siri AI yet, and I saw a tweet a couple days ago that was like, "I entered the US and it w- I was in the US for one microsecond, and immediately I got the-

Speaker 13:08 Oh

David Imel 13:08 ... You can now use Siri AI notification."

Andrew Manganelli 13:11 Oh, really?

Speaker 13:11 Yeah.

David Imel 13:12 So-

Andrew Manganelli 13:13 My guess was language, actually.

David Imel 13:14 Language.

Andrew Manganelli 13:14 'Cause, like, a lot of time when we see these AI things come up-

David Imel 13:16 Oh, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 13:17 ... it's like not available in these regions yet.

David Imel 13:19 Regions. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 13:19 Um, so I... They obviously, if they don't have the language supported in Gemini, can't-

David Imel 13:23 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 13:24 ... send a forced upgrade to a region-

David Imel 13:26 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 13:26 ... that uses that language.

David Imel 13:27 I would imagine they'd keep Google Assistant, 'cause, like, removing a, a feature like that when people use it pretty consistently is-

Speaker 13:33 Yeah

David Imel 13:33 ... is kind of insane.

Andrew Manganelli 13:34 It is.

David Imel 13:35 But I don't think they'd do that.

Andrew Manganelli 13:35 But also has happened before.

David Imel 13:37 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 13:37 With, like-

Speaker 13:38 It is Google

Andrew Manganelli 13:38 ... other companies. [laughs]

David Imel 13:39 It is Google. We-

Andrew Manganelli 13:39 We do have a notably large graveyard of Google products. [laughs]

David Imel 13:42 That is true.

Speaker 13:43 So it's possible.

Andrew Manganelli 13:43 Yeah.

Speaker 13:43 There is a public website.

Andrew Manganelli 13:44 Um, and the paired devices, that includes this Wear OS headphones, earbuds compatible with Gemini, and vehicles running Android Auto. Oh, so here might be our question to the Android thing. Google, uh, cars with Google built-in Assistant will continue to be the main on that.

David Imel 13:58 Oh, that's a good spot where Assistant is.

Speaker 14:00 Really?

David Imel 14:00 Polestar or something.

Speaker 14:01 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 14:02 Yeah.

David Imel 14:02 So, yeah.

Speaker 14:02 So they're not upgrading those to Gemini?

Andrew Manganelli 14:04 No.

Speaker 14:06 Huh.

Andrew Manganelli 14:06 Or not forcing to Gemini.

Speaker 14:08 Interesting.

Andrew Manganelli 14:10 Which is-

Speaker 14:10 That's strange

Andrew Manganelli 14:11 ... which means Assistant then, yeah, that means Assistant can still be running.

Speaker 14:14 Yes.

David Imel 14:14 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 14:14 But it is strange that that's not changing.

David Imel 14:16 So fragmented.

Andrew Manganelli 14:17 'Cause those are so new you would think.

David Imel 14:19 Google.

Speaker 14:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 14:20 But maybe just hardware specs-

David Imel 14:22 Is Google that fragmented? [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 14:22 ... on the infotainment system. Yeah. Crazy.

David Imel 14:24 Teams not talking to each other.

Speaker 14:25 [laughs]

David Imel 14:26 Yeah. They're like, "We have cars with Google built in." Um, okay.

David Imel 14:31 Yeah.

Speaker 14:31 Well, we should talk about this event.

David Imel 14:32 Yeah.

Speaker 14:32 This was a, uh, an evening event. Google did this thing where the embargoes for the hands-on for all of our videos was at 10:00 in the morning Eastern Time, and then the event announcing everything was at 6:00 PM that day. And so there was this eight-hour gap where everyone already had seen all of the stuff, and we're still waiting for the Google event.

David Imel 14:52 Yeah.

Speaker 14:52 I thought that was a choice. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 14:54 That freaked me out, 'cause we're-

Speaker 14:56 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 14:56 ... in Spain with the time difference.

Speaker 14:57 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 14:57 I was looking at the calendar-

Speaker 14:58 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 14:58 ... and I saw you respond to someone on Slack, like... They said, "When's the embargo?" You said, uh, "4:00 PM," 'cause you were... Or, no.

Speaker 15:06 10:00, 11:00.

Andrew Manganelli 15:06 10:00 AM.

Speaker 15:07 10:00 AM.

Andrew Manganelli 15:07 Talking about Eastern Time.

Speaker 15:09 Eastern.

Andrew Manganelli 15:09 And I was like, "That's not it. The event is later." That's-

David Imel 15:12 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 15:13 N- that's so far away, and then had to confirm it. But this is... I mean, we've had... It used to be event ends, embargo.

David Imel 15:21 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 15:21 Then it started being like event starts, embargo, which was funny-

David Imel 15:25 Embargo starts

Andrew Manganelli 15:25 ... 'cause you get all the memes, like, "Why is anyone gonna watch this?" Because all the reviews are out.

David Imel 15:28 Samsung has that, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 15:29 Yeah. This now, not an hour, not two hours.

David Imel 15:33 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 15:34 Eight hours before.

David Imel 15:35 Yeah. Notably, e- event end embargoes was always so nebulous because people... Technically, if the public information is out there, you're allowed to report on it. And so I, I remember, like, the OnePlus 6 or the OnePlus 6T, and it was so awkward-

Speaker 15:49 Yeah

David Imel 15:49 ... because they would announce the phones, but the event wouldn't be over, and a bunch of websites would put out their information, like, as soon as they said, "This is the OnePlus 6T."

Speaker 15:57 So I remember that flip being switched.

David Imel 15:59 Yeah.

Speaker 15:59 'Cause I remember it would always be, uh, let's say the event was 10:00 AM, and it would end at 11:00 AM-

David Imel 16:04 Yeah

Speaker 16:04 ... and the embargo was 11:00 AM. And so they'd say, "Here is your, your hands-on. You do the video. Your embargo is 11:00 AM." So the event would end at, like, 10:55, and everyone would be like...

David Imel 16:13 "Can we..." [laughs]

Speaker 16:14 And then at exactly 11:00 AM, everyone would publish-

David Imel 16:16 Yeah

Speaker 16:16 ... as we were supposed to. And then people would, like, start to go a little early or a little bit earlier 'cause the event had ended. So then I remember getting an email for a random, I don't remember which company, but it w- it would say something like, "The embargo is 11:00 AM or whenever the-

David Imel 16:29 Or whenever the feature-

Speaker 16:30 Yeah

David Imel 16:30 ... is announced on stage, whichever comes first."

Speaker 16:33 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 16:33 The feature?

Speaker 16:34 Yeah. Or whenever the... Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 16:36 Or, oh.

Speaker 16:36 They would, like, have a whole-

Andrew Manganelli 16:37 Okay

Speaker 16:37 ... list of the embargoes.

David Imel 16:39 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 16:39 And so then you would have to choose when to publish based on if your video [laughs] was breaking the embargo for 11:00 AM, or if the thing that is in your video was talked about on stage at 10:48, then you could publish then.

David Imel 16:51 Yeah.

Speaker 16:52 That happened for a few years. Then, yeah, we started getting, like, before the event, and-

David Imel 16:56 Yeah. I think at that point it just got more and more confusing because people started sort of intentionally breaking the embargo 'cause it was already so nebulous and, like, confusing that people are like, "Nobody's gonna, like, call me out for this because I have a way to justify it to them," you know?

Speaker 17:10 Yeah.

David Imel 17:11 And it j- then it became, like, people were publishing minutes before the event ended because they're like, "Oh, my stream was faster," or whatever, and it just-

Speaker 17:18 [laughs]

David Imel 17:18 I don't know. Personally, this eight-hour gap, this is, like, one of the first times we've seen something like this.

Speaker 17:23 Yeah.

David Imel 17:23 I like it because-

Speaker 17:25 I mean, as a publisher, I've, I'm totally cool with it. [laughs]

David Imel 17:27 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly, 'cause, like, people just read all of our stuff, watch all of our stuff.

Speaker 17:31 Yeah.

David Imel 17:32 And, um, I think the, the fact that, like, Samsung, you know, puts it out, the embargo is the exact same time as the event probably hurts their numbers and hurts our numbers. So neither of us are happy. I like the fact that people are gonna come consume our content, and then eight hours go by, people can kind of digest what we had said, and then watch the way that Google presents it, and I think that's interesting.

Speaker 17:53 It's interesting. I've always liked it the other way around. It felt more correct, where first you would hear the marketing packaged version.

David Imel 17:59 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 18:00 And then afterwards you'd hear the breakdown of what all of that really means or what people believe in-

David Imel 18:05 Yeah

Speaker 18:05 ... what that means.

David Imel 18:06 That's fair.

Speaker 18:06 And so if I was, like, a casual or just a consumer of that information, I would, I would see the marketing thing, and then it's... I'd decide in the moment, do I wanna look at the marketing thing?

David Imel 18:14 Yeah.

Speaker 18:15 Or do I just wait until I trust these people and hear what they have to say? I think- That's the way I always picture it.

David Imel 18:20 Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 18:21 Now, I mean, that's the way it still happens at, like, Apple doesn't pre-brief. That's kind of the way it still goes there. Like, you first see the event, and then later throughout the day, you see the reactions of the people. But yeah, for, like, the Samsung thing, what I've noticed is we'll publish our video at event start.

David Imel 18:35 Yeah.

Speaker 18:36 And then you'll watch the event, and 200 to 500,000 people will watch it live, and then when it ends, I will see traffic to our video go up.

David Imel 18:45 Oh.

Speaker 18:46 Like, the minute the Samsung event ends and people start leaving and going back to YouTube homepage, they'll see our videos, and then you'll see the traffic go up.

David Imel 18:52 Yeah.

Speaker 18:52 So there's a group of people who are not too casual to be watching the Samsung event live-

David Imel 18:58 Yeah

Speaker 18:59 ... but they're not too into it to be watching our video first.

David Imel 19:04 Interesting.

Speaker 19:04 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 19:05 That is... I wonder if a lot of those people are the people who are used to the old embargo of, like, we're still yearning for the days where an event surprises us.

David Imel 19:13 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 19:13 And I wonder if some of those people are still the ones, like, "In my day, we watched the event-

David Imel 19:18 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 19:18 ... then we watched the reviews. This was what a release day was to me. I need to see the event, if there's anything that's gonna surprise me." Now all you get is some weird Spider-Man hanging up in the corner of a stage.

David Imel 19:28 Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 19:29 Or Trev- or a celebrity. But, like-

David Imel 19:31 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 19:31 ... yeah, I, I think David's totally right on, this actually does feel, in the new age, probably the best, because it doesn't affect views on either person. The, the reason it sucks for Google on this one, and we'll get to why, is you say, like, we're gonna watch all the reviews and digest. Well, that means now the livestream for Google is a bunch of people with pitchforks and f-

David Imel 19:55 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 19:56 [laughs]

Speaker 19:56 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 19:56 ... torches outside of the Google event-

David Imel 19:58 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 19:58 ... because they're not happy with this [laughs] release.

David Imel 20:01 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 20:01 Banging on it or just ready to destroy the chat on YouTube.

David Imel 20:04 I was thinking about that, 'cause, like, the Apple events, for example, people don't know anything. And so-

Andrew Manganelli 20:09 Yeah

David Imel 20:09 ... we as, like, reviewers and stuff, we see stuff, and then we ha- instantly have to touch it, and then we have to make editorial decisions in the moment about what we're gonna talk about and, like, how we're gonna feel about it. But we didn't have any time to di- to d- look at them, digest the information, spend time with the devices.

Andrew Manganelli 20:26 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 20:26 And so it's more of, like, a raw reaction. And so the, the hype around the product is actually lower because we have more time to think more critically and think about, oh, is this actually better, blah, blah, blah.

Andrew Manganelli 20:37 Yeah.

David Imel 20:38 Instead of just touching, touching, touching. I don't know if I c- I can't, like, give you an opinion on this yet, but here it is, you know?

Andrew Manganelli 20:44 Yeah.

Speaker 20:45 Yeah, I, I've always found companies like Apple are obsessed with controlling the narrative around their products. So if you think of it as, like, the funnel of, like, the widest group, when they present and they show their event, that is the largest swath of people to be getting the message. So they control that one. And then afterwards, there is a smaller group who will, who will hear a different version of the message from people like us.

David Imel 21:05 Yeah.

Speaker 21:06 With this, it was, like, upside down. It started with all of us-

David Imel 21:10 Yeah [laughs]

Speaker 21:11 ... who had time to figure this out, essentially controlling the narrative in a way that seems like Apple would never want.

David Imel 21:17 Yeah.

Speaker 21:17 And then-

David Imel 21:18 [laughs]

Speaker 21:18 ... eight hours later-

David Imel 21:19 Yeah

Speaker 21:19 ... the nicely packaged marketing narrative where everyone goes, "Oh, but that's just the marketing thing."

David Imel 21:23 Yeah.

Speaker 21:24 You know? It's, it's-

David Imel 21:24 It is wei- it is weird, and, and it, it's the reverse Uno card of what Apple would do. I was gonna say pineapple upside-down cake, but it's too early for that.

Andrew Manganelli 21:32 [laughs]

Speaker 21:33 Well, the event was, uh-

Andrew Manganelli 21:34 I was gonna say, do you think part of it also... We'll talk about the celebrity who was there, Trevor Noah, this year.

Speaker 21:40 Mm.

Andrew Manganelli 21:40 But with Jimmy Fallon, was that last year or two years ago?

Speaker 21:43 Last year.

Andrew Manganelli 21:44 Last year.

David Imel 21:44 Tensor.

Andrew Manganelli 21:45 Tensor, yeah. It became, like, such a meme because it was pretty awkward throughout the whole thing, but clearly Google's trying to bring celebrities in to try and get a little more average person watching.

David Imel 21:55 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 21:55 My thought was, the people who are gonna meme up the celebrity are probably the people watching our videos. Throw that eight hours ahead, and maybe a lot of that audience has gotten their share of what's going on-

Speaker 22:08 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 22:08 ... and doesn't really care about celebrity, doesn't watch. Less of a chance that Twitter's filled with Jimmy Fallon yelling about random, uh-

David Imel 22:15 The people they're trying to reach don't watch our videos anyway, probably.

Andrew Manganelli 22:18 Exactly. I think the audience is so different now. The event doesn't have to be a little clouded by au- the audience that's probably gonna dunk on it.

David Imel 22:27 Yeah.

Speaker 22:27 Wait, wait. I'm sorry. Can you describe this, like, hypothetical person you're talking about that doesn't care enough about the Pixel to n- n- watch a Marques Brownlee video-

Andrew Manganelli 22:35 Listen

Speaker 22:36 ... but does care enough-

Andrew Manganelli 22:37 Listen

Speaker 22:37 ... to, like, sit down at-

Andrew Manganelli 22:38 Okay

Speaker 22:38 ... 6:00 PM and watch-

Andrew Manganelli 22:39 Ellis

Speaker 22:40 ... a full Google event?

Andrew Manganelli 22:41 Ellis, at this point, I've felt like I'm taking crazy pills for so long, thinking that anyone other than our videos watches these events.

David Imel 22:47 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 22:47 But every year, people swear to me that they do, so I'm just accepting that maybe that person does exist. But-

Speaker 22:53 All right, man

Andrew Manganelli 22:53 ... I also am-

Speaker 22:54 No reason. Are they in the room with us right now?

Andrew Manganelli 22:56 It's... Yeah, I, like, like, Google almost feels like they're treating it... I mean, it is Google, so they could just be pushing it to people's homepages of YouTube.

David Imel 23:03 That's, uh-

Andrew Manganelli 23:04 So, like, that actually-

David Imel 23:05 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 23:05 ... for Google, it might make the most sense.

Speaker 23:06 They're also probably doing it for social.

David Imel 23:07 That clip economy.

Andrew Manganelli 23:08 Social with Trevor, yes.

David Imel 23:09 We need... Yeah, we need to think about the clip economy, David.

Andrew Manganelli 23:11 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 23:11 Like, we think our video's big. It was interesting, like, the, our video had almost a million and a half views by the time the event started, so we're like, "Oh, great." And then the event goes on and has, like, 50,000 live viewers. So I'm like, "Okay, this is a smaller part of the funnel." But then Google's going to put this everywhere.

Andrew Manganelli 23:26 Everywhere.

Speaker 23:26 I'm sure we'll check back in and it'll have 10 million views 'cause y- they paid for ads for it and it's everywhere.

Andrew Manganelli 23:31 Yeah, or it's, like, live streaming on the homepage as-

Speaker 23:33 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 23:33 ... you log on to Google.

Speaker 23:34 So that's-

David Imel 23:34 Gem and I will suggest it by tomorrow.

Speaker 23:35 [laughs] Yeah, so that's their version of the wide version of the funnel and controlling the narrative, blah, blah, blah. They're just gonna-

David Imel 23:42 Yeah

Speaker 23:42 ... send it to.

David Imel 23:42 They're also gonna just be clipping this like crazy.

Andrew Manganelli 23:44 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 23:45 They're gonna be putting it in social feeds, they're gonna be putting it on TikTok, they're gonna be doing everything with it.

Speaker 23:49 I will say, I think they picked the right person this time.

David Imel 23:51 For sure.

Andrew Manganelli 23:51 Yes. 100%.

Speaker 23:52 So last time, it was J- Jimmy Fallon. We've all talked about that episode.

Andrew Manganelli 23:56 It, it-

David Imel 23:56 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 23:56 What else is there to be said? [laughs]

Speaker 23:58 You know, it's a guy who hosts this show and is well-known, blah, blah, blah, great. Trevor Noah has also hosted a show, but he's also notably, like, online-

David Imel 24:07 Yeah

Speaker 24:07 ... and watches tech videos.

David Imel 24:08 Yeah.

Speaker 24:09 And you could tell he was kind of into it, and also was much more charismatic and, and sort of ad-libbed a little bit, which was funny and threw some Googlers off, but it was also, like, fun to watch.

David Imel 24:17 Really funny. [laughs] It was really funny.

Andrew Manganelli 24:19 Yeah. Really good.

Speaker 24:20 So, so that was our, our host for the, the, the event, and they, of course, go through all the different, uh, you know, Googlers who contributed different parts of the stuff that we heard about, and it was, it was pretty informative. It was also still marketing speak, but-

David Imel 24:33 Yeah

Speaker 24:33 ... we got to get some questions answered on the spot, which was kind of cool. Uh, we got three phones.

David Imel 24:38 Four

Speaker 24:38 ... 11, I guess four. A Pi- Pixel 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max, and 11 Pro Fold. We also have-

David Imel 24:43 The Pro XL

Speaker 24:44 ... and 11 Pro XL. Thank you.

David Imel 24:45 Oh my God.

Andrew Manganelli 24:45 They're all the same.

Speaker 24:46 Sorry. And-

David Imel 24:47 [laughs]

Speaker 24:47 ... then we got the Watch 5. We got Pixel ... Google Tags.

David Imel 24:52 Yeah.

Speaker 24:52 Google Tag, not Pixel Tag.

David Imel 24:53 Google, Google Tag.

Speaker 24:54 Google Tag.

Andrew Manganelli 24:55 It's Google Tag?

David Imel 24:56 Wait, it's Pixel Tag. Sorry, Pixel Tag.

Andrew Manganelli 24:57 Is it Pixel Tag?

David Imel 24:57 Pixel Tag.

Speaker 24:58 It's Pixel Tag.

David Imel 24:58 You're right, it's Pixel Tag.

Speaker 24:59 Okay. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 25:00 Guys, we're running on, like, four hours of sleep.

Speaker 25:01 It is.

David Imel 25:01 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 25:02 Sorry.

Speaker 25:02 It's ... [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 25:03 Yeah.

Speaker 25:03 We can talk about all of that stuff. We should probably just start with the ph- we don't ... Should we take a, a break and then come back and do the phone?

Andrew Manganelli 25:08 Let's just do the one, so we can talk about it before the first ad

Andrew Manganelli 25:11 break.

Speaker 25:11 Okay, the new feature.

Andrew Manganelli 25:11 Let's just talk about the big feature.

Speaker 25:13 This is the feature that, to me, exemplifies Google in 2026.

David Imel 25:18 This is only in the Pros, right?

Speaker 25:19 This is just in the Pros.

David Imel 25:21 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 25:21 Wow.

Speaker 25:21 But it's called HiLight, and what it is, is it's a multicolor, or RGB, whatever, LED on the back of the phone that is just ... Well, it's two things. It's the flash, and it's also multicolor to be a notification light, sort of, for exactly two things.

David Imel 25:37 [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 25:38 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 25:38 One, for while you are actively speaking to Gemini.

David Imel 25:43 While your phone is faced down.

Speaker 25:45 While your phone is faced down.

David Imel 25:46 Only 'cause people do that a lot.

Andrew Manganelli 25:48 Oh.

David Imel 25:48 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 25:48 Like, on, like, on a surface. So even if you're holding it.

Speaker 25:51 When, not when you're holding it.

Andrew Manganelli 25:52 That you might be-

David Imel 25:53 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 25:53 ... facing the back of it.

David Imel 25:53 Only while it's face down.

Speaker 25:54 It's gotta be face down on the table.

Andrew Manganelli 25:56 I, I just want to ... We're gonna talk about ... Every new thing I learn about this feature-

Speaker 26:01 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 26:01 ... makes me more mad.

David Imel 26:02 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 26:02 There's hasn't been a part of this feature that I've been like-

Speaker 26:06 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 26:06 ... "Cool."

Speaker 26:06 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 26:06 [laughs]

Speaker 26:07 Okay, so it's, it's, it's while you're talking to Gemini, it'll light up and it'll glow in this little multicolor orb, or, two, while you're receiving a phone call from a contact that you have assigned a color to specifically.

David Imel 26:19 Favorites, yeah.

Speaker 26:19 So you go into the contacts, you have a favorite, you assign them a color. There's five colors.

Andrew Manganelli 26:25 That-

Speaker 26:25 Five colors

Andrew Manganelli 26:26 ... just learned that this morning. Five colors?

Speaker 26:29 Five colors.

Andrew Manganelli 26:29 You know what? Can you name the five colors for me?

Speaker 26:32 I think, uh, it's like y- well, what was funny is they actually said at the event there's no red. There is yellow, blue, purple, white-

Andrew Manganelli 26:40 White

Speaker 26:40 ... and, like, some other greenish color.

Andrew Manganelli 26:43 Five colors, and white is one of them.

Speaker 26:45 Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 26:46 It's, it's white when it's turned off.

Speaker 26:49 So it must not be RGB then, 'cause it can't do red.

Andrew Manganelli 26:51 [laughs] I put RGB in here-

David Imel 26:53 Well-

Andrew Manganelli 26:54 ... just assuming

David Imel 26:55 ... if it, if it's white, it's RGB.

Speaker 26:57 So how does it not have the ability to do-

David Imel 26:59 It probably has the ability.

Speaker 27:00 [laughs]

David Imel 27:00 They just didn't put it in, yeah.

Speaker 27:02 Why not? It's ...

David Imel 27:03 [laughs]

Speaker 27:03 Why not give a ... Okay.

David Imel 27:04 I mean-

Speaker 27:05 Yeah, this is, this is great

David Imel 27:06 ... you get, you-

Andrew Manganelli 27:06 So-

David Imel 27:07 There's, there's no logical-

Andrew Manganelli 27:08 [laughs]

Speaker 27:09 It can do white, which is all of the colors.

David Imel 27:11 It can do orange, okay?

Speaker 27:12 It can't do all of the ... No, it can't.

David Imel 27:14 No, they just don't let it.

Speaker 27:15 They just don't let it do it.

David Imel 27:15 They just don't let us.

Andrew Manganelli 27:16 Yeah.

Speaker 27:17 Why? Okay.

David Imel 27:18 Okay.

Speaker 27:18 Yeah. So yeah, uh, notably, no text messages, no custom-

David Imel 27:22 Yes

Speaker 27:22 ... app assignments. Like, when you hear that this new phone in 2026 has a custom RGB notification light, it ... I wouldn't blame you if your first thought was, "Oh, great. When I get a spam call, it'll go red. When I get an email, it'll go green. When I get a Zelle, it'll go blue. When I get a Venmo, it'll go purple." And they have, you have all these ideas about things-

Andrew Manganelli 27:43 Yeah

Speaker 27:43 ... you'll do with different apps. None of those things are possible as of right now.

Andrew Manganelli 27:47 None of ... Yeah.

Speaker 27:48 Just not on anything.

David Imel 27:48 We don't have the technology. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 27:49 Yeah. 20- the 2017 Note 8, it was, like, yellow Snapchat, blue Twitter, green messages.

David Imel 27:56 Bro, the Minimal Phone does this.

Speaker 27:57 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 27:58 [laughs]

David Imel 27:58 Like-

Speaker 27:58 Oh, wait. Really? Does it?

David Imel 28:00 The Minimal Phone 2 has a notification light for-

Andrew Manganelli 28:01 Oh, yeah. We were talking about this

David Imel 28:02 ... when a call comes or a message. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 28:03 It's the thing I've wanted back most, and partially because it's so simple, I'm surprised. So when I saw this, I was like, "Yo, it's not the glowing bar, but, like, this is gonna slap."

Speaker 28:13 This is such an opportunity for such a win. I remember the first, like, the Nexus. What was the ... Nexus 1 had a track ball light.

David Imel 28:19 Yeah.

Speaker 28:20 I miss those.

David Imel 28:20 Yeah. Dude, on my Nexus 6, it ... with CyanogenMod, you could, you could design this RGB LED that wasn't even officially part of the phone.

Speaker 28:28 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 28:29 Oh, yeah.

David Imel 28:29 It was just something they put in the phone that b- that wasn't used at all.

Andrew Manganelli 28:32 I forgot about that, like, in the earpiece, right?

Speaker 28:33 And people found it.

David Imel 28:33 Yeah, in the earpiece.

Andrew Manganelli 28:34 Yeah.

David Imel 28:34 And you could just use it for whatever you wanted.

Andrew Manganelli 28:37 Yeah.

David Imel 28:37 In any color, any notification, and we don't have the technology 15 years later. [laughs] What is this?

Andrew Manganelli 28:42 We forgot how. [laughs]

David Imel 28:42 We forgot how to do it. We don't have the machining anymore.

Speaker 28:45 Yeah.

David Imel 28:46 It's crazy.

Speaker 28:46 So I, to me, this, this exemplifies Google right now, because if they were, uh, cohesive and all talking to each other and were thinking this through, this all seems very obvious to me that they would've done all this. They would've given us the ability to set it to certain apps and messages and lots of other stuff.

David Imel 29:03 Yeah.

Speaker 29:04 Uh, the fact that you can't ... Trevor actually asked during the event if they would let you do other stuff like messages, and I think they'd ... all they did was confirm that they-

David Imel 29:13 They're working on it

Speaker 29:13 ... they're working on it being for messages as well.

Andrew Manganelli 29:15 For messages.

David Imel 29:16 Why do you have to work on it?

Speaker 29:17 Why?

David Imel 29:17 It seems pretty straightforward. I'd also thought that in our vibe code economy, you could just tell Gemini to make this work and it would happen.

Speaker 29:24 Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 29:24 It is funny-

David Imel 29:25 But apparently not. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 29:26 Especially because if you're setting it for the contact-

Speaker 29:29 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 29:29 ... then you have the color.

David Imel 29:30 It's only calls.

Andrew Manganelli 29:31 All it needs to do is be that color-

Speaker 29:33 That's a great point

Andrew Manganelli 29:34 ... for more or less time.

Speaker 29:35 Yeah. That's a great point.

Andrew Manganelli 29:36 One blink or multiple blinks, and now it is message versus-

Speaker 29:39 I feel like I can see their vision, right? Because their messaging around this Pix- this whole line of Pixels has been, "Let Google handle the complicated parts of your life. Get back to your normal life." Like, a lot of the things in this event have been like, "Stop staring at your phone."

Andrew Manganelli 29:53 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 29:53 "Use Gemini for things, and then, like, you know, let AI do things for you." So I get the vision of, like, leave your phone face down on the table except for when you really need it.

Andrew Manganelli 30:03 Except the base phone.

Speaker 30:04 Except ... Wait, except for what?

Andrew Manganelli 30:05 The, the base.

David Imel 30:06 Except for the base phone.

Speaker 30:07 Except for the base phone, unless you're poor. [laughs] Um, so ...

Andrew Manganelli 30:10 [laughs]

Speaker 30:12 But, but really, it's not ... it's just not built out at all. It's just like they need to, they need to actually deliver.

Andrew Manganelli 30:17 It reminds me so much of the, the Fitbit Air software UI, where it's-

David Imel 30:24 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 30:24 Mm.

David Imel 30:24 Completely broken

Andrew Manganelli 30:25 ... it's so bad that you don't even need a future promise of an update because we all have to assume it's going to get fixed. It ... Like, you almost have to assume-

Speaker 30:35 Dude

Andrew Manganelli 30:35 ... it's broken.

Speaker 30:36 That, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 30:37 This is just so not fleshed out.

Speaker 30:39 The current, and especially early, Fitbit Air actual exercise UI when you were doing an exercise looked my, like my computer science 101, like, first-

Andrew Manganelli 30:48 Yeah

Speaker 30:49 ... Hello World project, where you just, like, put text on the screen on a big white box.

Andrew Manganelli 30:54 That's all it was

30:55 And all of it was misaligned, and there was like-

30:57 Yeah

30:58 ... multiple different dark backgrounds. [laughs]

30:59 Yeah. Yeah. It was bad.

Speaker 31:01 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 31:01 Okay, two updates on HiLight.

31:03 There's updates?

Speaker 31:03 On HiLight.

Andrew Manganelli 31:03 I'm on their website right now.

Speaker 31:04 All right. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 31:05 Updates.

31:05 I'm prepared to get more mad.

31:06 Two really s- okay.

Speaker 31:08 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 31:08 One is it's not on the Pro Fold either.

31:10 What?

31:11 It's just on the Pro and Pro XL.

Speaker 31:12 What? Are you s-

Andrew Manganelli 31:13 But they told us at the event-

Speaker 31:14 I thought I, I read a different article this morning that said it was on Pro Fold

Andrew Manganelli 31:16 Well, that's because they told me that at the event.

31:19 Same. They told me it was on all the phones. I'm reading the website. It says, "On Pixel 11 Pro and 11 Pro XL." So that's, that's my update. Two is the reason it's able to do white but not red is because it's not really RGB. It's using the flash, which is still in there, for white.

31:36 Oh.

Speaker 31:37 Oh, it has a color wheel.

Andrew Manganelli 31:38 But it's doing a-

31:38 Yeah, it has a color wheel

31:39 ... a weird color wheel for the rest of the colors-

31:41 Yeah

31:41 ... that doesn't include red.

Speaker 31:42 It's like a filter. [beep]

Andrew Manganelli 31:43 Flash in the middle for white, and then, like, blue-

31:44 Simon says

31:45 ... cyan and orange to combine-

Speaker 31:48 Okay

Andrew Manganelli 31:48 ... to make the Gemini colors.

Speaker 31:49 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 31:49 Ah.

31:50 But it doesn't include red.

Speaker 31:51 But the-

Andrew Manganelli 31:51 So no red.

Speaker 31:52 But the...

Andrew Manganelli 31:53 That has to be more expensive than an RG- than an LED.

31:56 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 31:57 Right? [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 31:57 Can't they just put an RGB LED in there?

31:59 I-

Speaker 31:59 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 31:59 ... I hope someone in the comments corrects me if I'm wrong, but there's, there's really only two ways to get a white LED. You can do an three diodes, an a red, a green, and a blue, and fire them all at the same time, and then you get white 'cause they combine, or you can do a blue LED that fires at a coating that, uh, has, like, a phosphorus that emits white, like, when the photons get activated.

32:20 They're not clear about if this is-

32:21 So-

32:21 ... a filter. I mean, this is... I'm just going by the animation. I can't tell.

32:23 No, no, no, totally, but, like-

32:24 Yeah

32:25 ... there's a 50% chance that the flash underneath there is an RGB-

32:29 If they just fire the white

32:30 ... LED already.

32:32 Yeah.

32:32 I don't, I don't-

32:33 Yeah

32:33 ... quite... I hope someone in the comments corrects me-

32:35 I-

32:35 ... 'cause I'm sure I'm missing something, but this still feels like they just went way around the block to-

32:41 Surely there's no one clever enough at Google-

Speaker 32:42 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 32:43 ... to think of a way to make this turn around.

32:44 Yeah. I think that they are probably thinking about the HiLight thing as, like, an, as like a screen because it animates for Gemini. It kind of, like, waves around and moves, and it's supposed to be sort of like-

Speaker 32:54 Oh

Andrew Manganelli 32:55 ... a little bit ... Yeah.

32:55 So you're saying this is a-

Speaker 32:57 Nice

Andrew Manganelli 32:57 ... all they wanted to actually do-

Speaker 32:59 Was Gemini

Andrew Manganelli 32:59 ... was the Gemini thing.

33:00 Was Gemini.

33:00 But they threw us a bone.

33:02 Yeah. I-

33:02 They gave us the most half-baked feature.

33:03 I think they knew that if it was only Gemini, people would be, like, very angry about that.

33:07 Well, that backfired 'cause I'm more angry now.

33:09 [laughs] Yeah.

33:10 Um, here's a question, though. When you get calls from anyone who is not part of your favorites, does the dot do nothing? Or-

Speaker 33:17 It does not. I don't think it does anything.

Andrew Manganelli 33:18 It doesn't do anything.

Speaker 33:19 You have to assign, and it has to be the favorites.

Andrew Manganelli 33:21 Can I assign a color to everyone else?

Speaker 33:25 You can go through your contacts one by one and give everyone a color.

Andrew Manganelli 33:27 Oh my God.

33:28 No.

33:28 Wait, you can give multiple people the same color?

Speaker 33:30 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 33:30 It can't just be phone call yellow-

Speaker 33:31 Oh, so it's maybe like a group

Andrew Manganelli 33:32 ... and then mom blue.

Speaker 33:33 No, it is-

Andrew Manganelli 33:34 So, like, family

Speaker 33:35 ... it is in the Contacts app-

Andrew Manganelli 33:35 Individual contacts

Speaker 33:36 ... specifically.

Andrew Manganelli 33:37 Yeah.

Speaker 33:37 So it's not the Phone app or the Messages app. You go into Contacts, you select that contact, and you give that contact one of the colors. And then when they call you-

Andrew Manganelli 33:45 Yeah

Speaker 33:45 ... and only call you, you will see that color.

Andrew Manganelli 33:49 Yeah. I-

33:49 Carl Pei is laughing so hard right now.

33:50 [laughs]

Speaker 33:50 That's true.

Andrew Manganelli 33:51 He's like, "I nailed this on the first try."

33:52 [laughs]

Speaker 33:53 Quince.

Andrew Manganelli 33:54 I, I could tell that Google felt very mixed about this feature in general with, like, how much they wanted to promote it because at our hands-on event, they had constructed a giant Pixel camera bar on the wall where you could hit a big red button.

34:07 It would glow. [laughs]

34:07 Notably, a red button.

Speaker 34:08 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 34:08 Red button.

34:09 And, um-

Speaker 34:10 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 34:10 ... it would make the giant Pix- Pixel gl- uh, HiLight kind of glow and do the Gemini thing. So they had a big stand that was like, "Look how cool this is," but then they didn't talk about it at the hands-on event at all.

Speaker 34:23 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 34:24 And so-

Speaker 34:25 It was, uh, deep into the event itself, too

Andrew Manganelli 34:27 ... Yeah, and it was very short-

Speaker 34:29 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 34:29 ... as well. So I don't know. It s- it seems like the hardware team, like, went kinda hard, and then the software team was like, "Oh, we forgot-

34:36 Nah

34:36 ... about this. [laughs] We were supposed to do that." [laughs]

Speaker 34:40 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 34:40 Yeah, they didn't use Google Tasks to actually-

Speaker 34:42 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 34:42 ... realize that they're supposed to map it to anything. Anyway, we got a lot more features to talk about, and we don't have very long in this hotel, so we should probably take a break.

Speaker 34:50 Let's take a quick break. Do we also have... [upbeat music]

Andrew Manganelli 34:54 Whoa.

Speaker 34:55 [laughs] We sure do.

Andrew Manganelli 34:58 Bienvenidos al Preguntas de Waveform.

Speaker 35:00 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 35:01 Pregunta numero uno. ¿Estabas atento?

Speaker 35:05 Were you paying attention?

Andrew Manganelli 35:07 [laughs]

Speaker 35:07 Is this to the event last night?

Andrew Manganelli 35:09 Indeed.

35:10 Yeah.

Speaker 35:10 By the way, we watched this event at midnight.

Andrew Manganelli 35:12 Yeah.

Speaker 35:12 That's when it started for us, so-

Andrew Manganelli 35:14 I watch-

35:14 We got back at 11:47 PM.

35:15 I listened to most of the event at 2X speed while cleaning my room this morning.

Speaker 35:20 Then you're gonna crush this episode.

Andrew Manganelli 35:21 I'm so s- [laughs]

Speaker 35:22 My head hurts.

Andrew Manganelli 35:23 Trevor Noah was surprised by Liverpool legend Steven Gerrard.

Speaker 35:26 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 35:26 But before he came out, Trevor wondered if it was actually him or Gemini speaking in what regional British accent?

Speaker 35:34 Oh, I'm gonna write... I don't have my whiteboard, so [laughs] after-

Andrew Manganelli 35:38 There are regional British accents?

Speaker 35:39 ... this is in my head.

Andrew Manganelli 35:40 Yes, this one is the Liverpool. Really?

Speaker 35:42 Br- the UK is so small, man. No, it's, it's so, it's so complicated. The UK is so complicated.

Andrew Manganelli 35:47 What I'm essentially asking is what is the Liverpool accent called?

Speaker 35:50 Yeah, I got it. Uh, I was just gonna say-

Andrew Manganelli 35:51 This is one of those things where-

Speaker 35:52 What do I write this?

Andrew Manganelli 35:53 ... I know one name of an accent-

Speaker 35:55 Yes

Andrew Manganelli 35:55 ... and-

35:56 Is it Cockney?

35:57 ... the opportunity of how many people are gonna get mad when it's wrong is-

36:00 It's probably Tagal- it, it-

36:02 I'd rather probably just not get the points

36:03 ... Tagalog, isn't it?

Speaker 36:04 I'm kidding. So [laughs] Well, we'll, we'll think about it.

Andrew Manganelli 36:07 Yeah.

Speaker 36:08 Uh, we will probably have to guess some accents.

Andrew Manganelli 36:10 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 36:11 Answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

Andrew Manganelli 36:13 [laughs]

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Andrew Manganelli 37:45 Yes.

Speaker 37:46 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 37:46 I guess we'll find out in the full

Andrew Manganelli 37:48 review.

Speaker 37:48 Yeah, [laughs] I guess we will.

Andrew Manganelli 37:49 [laughs]

Speaker 37:50 Uh, anyway, let's talk about these phones.

Andrew Manganelli 37:51 Yeah.

Speaker 37:51 There's a bunch of new phones. There's a bunch of storylines going around about these phones. I think the, the main storyline is one of the silly ones, which is, oh, this isn't a big upgrade from the Pixel 10. Yeah, true. Um, phones are incremental nowadays, I agree. But the Pixel 11 has Tensor 6, it has a brighter display, it has slightly faster wireless charging, and it's 100 bucks more because memory's expensive, and that's basically it.

Andrew Manganelli 38:17 There's a thinner camera bar.

Speaker 38:18 A, a new-

David Imel 38:19 40% thinner

Speaker 38:20 ... thinner camera bar, and a new primary camera sensor. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 38:23 Does it charge quicker?

Speaker 38:24 Yeah. Yeah, it charges wired-

Andrew Manganelli 38:26 Wireless

Speaker 38:26 ... and wireless quicker.

Andrew Manganelli 38:27 Okay.

Speaker 38:27 It's funny, there was a, there was one feature I saw that I didn't even get briefed about, but somebody, like, tweeted a screenshot, maybe I missed it during the event, about, like, an extreme charging mode.

David Imel 38:35 I was trying to read about it really quick.

Andrew Manganelli 38:37 Yeah, I read about that too.

Speaker 38:38 I-

David Imel 38:38 Yeah, do you know what it is? 'Cause it seems like-

Andrew Manganelli 38:39 It seems like it's a software thing that can just prioritize charging over... Or, or like, pause tasks that are going on on the phone to prioritize charging. Is that it?

Speaker 38:48 It was just funny to me because it's probably, like, 30 watts, which is, like, not extreme at all. But [laughs] they're-

David Imel 38:53 Yeah

Speaker 38:53 ... calling it the extreme charging mode-

David Imel 38:55 Yeah

Speaker 38:55 ... which is their fastest possible charging. Which is, you know, it's better than not having a faster charging.

David Imel 39:00 Well, it said it can charge the Pro XL to, like, 75% in 30 minutes, and the Pro and the regular 11 to, uh, 55% in 30 minutes, if you use the extreme charging mode.

Speaker 39:10 I'm coming from the OnePlus 15 where I would load-

David Imel 39:12 Yeah

Speaker 39:12 ... the charger and it would go to 100% in two seconds.

David Imel 39:14 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 39:15 So.

David Imel 39:15 Yeah.

Speaker 39:16 Yeah. It's, I, you know, welcome small incremental increases. You know, Tensor 6 we don't know that much about, but we'll have, we'll benchmark it, we'll see if it's dramatically better at anything. I'm sure it'll be slightly faster with CPU, better with AI performance-

David Imel 39:28 Yeah

Speaker 39:28 ... more memory bandwidth, the classic stuff we look to for Google Tensor, not necessarily-

David Imel 39:33 Yeah

Speaker 39:33 ... amazing GPU or performance otherwise. Um-

David Imel 39:36 Yeah, I have a, I have a hot take about Tensor. Can I, can I talk about Tensor?

Speaker 39:38 Hot take.

David Imel 39:39 Hot take?

Speaker 39:39 Yeah, please.

David Imel 39:40 Okay.

Speaker 39:40 Mm.

David Imel 39:41 I think that people think about s- like, SoCs and CPUs differently than Google thinks about SoCs and CPUs.

Speaker 39:48 I agree.

David Imel 39:49 And I think that people always look at Tensor and they compare it to, like, a Snapdragon chip, and you can't compare the chips very much.

Andrew Manganelli 39:57 Go off the shores.

David Imel 39:57 I, I know-

Speaker 39:57 Sure as hell can. [laughs]

David Imel 39:58 I was j- I mean, you can in certain ways

Speaker 40:00 ... he thinks so.

Andrew Manganelli 40:00 That's what I'd say if I was losing. [laughs]

David Imel 40:03 You can in certain ways, because, like, obviously the gaming performance, the FPS, whatever, that's all whatever. But Google's been hyper-optimizing for TPUs for, like, a while. Like, ever since Tensor 1. That's the, that's part of the reason they made Tensor in the first place-

Speaker 40:16 Yeah

David Imel 40:16 ... was because they were like, "Oh, we need to do AI performance, AI performance." Notably, in Tensor 6, it's 2X the memory bandwidth for Gemini.

Speaker 40:24 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 40:24 So they're just, like, hyper-fixated on this world where your phone is, like, automating things for you, automating tasks, doing things, you know, natural language processing, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 40:34 Running local models.

David Imel 40:35 Ramblers. Local model. Yeah, Gem- Gemini Nano, that kind of stuff. And I know that Qualcomm also optimizes for this stuff, but it's not the 100% flag post thing that Google is thinking about for. So when you, when we look at Tensor 6, it's like 2X the memory bandwidth for LLMs and stuff like that, you know. Like, 2X the TPUs. Big deal for them. Um, there's a new ISP in there that allows them to do new image signal processing stuff-

Speaker 41:03 Mm

David Imel 41:03 ... that enables the things like the 30X zoom in the regular Pixel 11 and the 120X zoom in the 11 Pros.

Speaker 41:10 Pro zoom.

David Imel 41:11 So I don't know, I think Google just thinks about when we make these things new every year, how can it enable more AI stuff, whereas every other company is just, like, faster.

Speaker 41:21 That's something.

David Imel 41:21 I agree.

Speaker 41:22 And more efficient. I wonder if that approach is yielding better AI performance in a noticeable way, the same way-

David Imel 41:30 Yeah

Speaker 41:31 ... Qualcomm's approach is yielding faster graphics than Tensor.

David Imel 41:37 Noticeable is a great way to put it, because I think that Google is sort of optimizing for the future and thinking about, we don't wanna hit a cap. We don't want your phone that is having seven years of updates to one day not be able to meet the AI standards that we're shipping in software.

Speaker 41:55 Yeah. And Qualcomm's like, "I don't want you to ever drop a frame-

David Imel 41:58 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 41:58 ... on a phone mobile."

David Imel 41:59 Yeah. So-

Speaker 42:00 Like Genshin Impact at 400 FPS.

David Imel 42:02 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 42:02 My counter to that would be that Qualcomm is doing what people want, though, right now.

Speaker 42:08 I think what-

David Imel 42:08 Yeah, for sure

Andrew Manganelli 42:09 ... everyone wants is AI features.

David Imel 42:10 I'm not saying that G- the Google approach is correct, but I think that the, the, what Google wants out of its devices for the future, that's what they're optimizing for.

Andrew Manganelli 42:17 I also think, I think you're right in the sense that people who watch our stuff want... I think 95% of people buying a phone couldn't tell the difference between any of these processors-

David Imel 42:30 Yeah.

Speaker 42:30 Correct

Andrew Manganelli 42:31 ... and it will just run exactly how they think.

Speaker 42:33 95% of people buying the Pixel phone are not even gonna use most of the AI features.

David Imel 42:38 A couple years ago-

Speaker 42:39 Well

David Imel 42:39 ... I think you could tell the difference between a Tensor chip and a Snapdragon chip in performance.

Speaker 42:43 Yeah.

David Imel 42:43 Not a, not a-

Andrew Manganelli 42:44 I bet most people couldn't

David Imel 42:45 ... it's a small, you're right.

Andrew Manganelli 42:45 Yeah, yeah.

David Imel 42:45 It's not, it's most of us, it's us eyeballing it, but the fact that I could eyeball it means there's some amount of people-

Speaker 42:50 Yeah

David Imel 42:50 ... who can tell.

Andrew Manganelli 42:51 Yeah.

David Imel 42:51 Um, and then you play a game and you'd be like, "Oh, it's heating up a lot more. It's actually a way worse performance."

Speaker 42:57 Yeah.

David Imel 42:57 So that's, it was interesting. Now I just wonder how noticeable... Like, are we gonna hit a cap with Qualcomm chips where they're like, "Oh my God."

Speaker 43:03 Yeah.

David Imel 43:03 "Look how far AI came."

Speaker 43:04 Yeah.

David Imel 43:05 We're focusing on frame rates. Like, we'll see.

Speaker 43:07 Yeah.

David Imel 43:07 But-

Speaker 43:08 I did get an email last night from, um, MediaTek's PR agency-

David Imel 43:12 Hilarious

Speaker 43:13 ... that said, "By the way, MediaTek cannot confirm this, but here's a bunch of articles that infer that MediaTek is now the modem in Tensor." Um-

David Imel 43:24 That's [laughs]

Speaker 43:25 ... which was really weird. It was like MediaTek is saying that they can't say but that they are.

Andrew Manganelli 43:30 Well, I would like to say that

Speaker 43:31 I can, I can't announce this, but I personally-

David Imel 43:33 [laughs]

Speaker 43:33 ... handcrafted every modem. I mean, for-

David Imel 43:36 Yes

Speaker 43:36 ... this, of course.

David Imel 43:37 So there's-

Speaker 43:37 Yeah

David Imel 43:38 ... the efficiency thing is interesting, because, you know, people always shat on Tensor be- for having terrible, like, modem efficiency performance, because the Samsung modem in Tensor was terrible. And so now we have a MediaTek one, so it could-

Speaker 43:52 Allegedly

David Imel 43:52 ... allegedly [laughs]

Speaker 43:53 Potentially.

David Imel 43:54 MediaTek is telling me that they can't tell me-

Speaker 43:56 It's like-

David Imel 43:56 ... that they're the ones making it

Speaker 43:57 ... it's a guy with a Media- "Hello, I'm MediaTek," handing you an anonymous letter.

David Imel 44:02 Yeah, literally.

Speaker 44:04 Wink, wink.

David Imel 44:04 Super weird. Um-

Speaker 44:06 It's like when there's a rumor about you, but it's a good rumor.

David Imel 44:08 Yeah

Speaker 44:08 ... so you're telling all your friends.

David Imel 44:09 Anyway, they, they do say that the Tensor, uh, G6 chip is quite a bit more efficient, and maybe that's why. But, uh, yeah, maybe people won't be as upset anymore. I don't know. I do think certain regions of the world, like China, where everyone plays a lot more mobile games-

Speaker 44:24 Mm

David Imel 44:24 ... it'll probably matter more. Um, but they should be buying the phones that can charge at 400 watts. So-

Speaker 44:30 Yeah.

David Imel 44:30 Yeah.

Speaker 44:30 There will be phones for them. [laughs]

David Imel 44:31 [laughs]

Speaker 44:32 This is not phones for them.

David Imel 44:33 Yeah.

Speaker 44:33 Um, yeah, maybe that's why the batteries didn't get bigger on any of these phones.

David Imel 44:36 Yeah, they got actually smaller on the Pros-

Speaker 44:38 Yeah

David Imel 44:38 ... by a little bit.

Speaker 44:39 Yeah, bigger cameras, smaller batteries. But anyway, on the base Pixel, new colors are honestly the most noticeable thing about them to most people. Uh, the fuchsia color is so unbelievably saturated.

David Imel 44:49 Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 44:49 All of my footage of it looks like I'm peaking the, like, red channels. It's-

David Imel 44:52 Yeah [laughs]

Speaker 44:52 ... so bright.

Andrew Manganelli 44:52 It reminds me of Rabbit R1, where you're like-

Speaker 44:55 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 44:55 ... impossible to color.

Speaker 44:56 Your eyes

Andrew Manganelli 44:56 ... there's something wrong with this.

Speaker 44:58 Yeah. And it, it looks like that in real life. It's really-

Andrew Manganelli 45:00 I li-

David Imel 45:00 I think it's cool

Andrew Manganelli 45:01 ... it's fuchsia as hell.

Speaker 45:02 It's great. Um, so we'll test the cameras. We'll see if they're actually better. At least the primary camera's different.

Andrew Manganelli 45:07 I didn't get to see it, but I think the thinner camera bar looks sweet.

Speaker 45:11 It is a thinner camera bar.

Andrew Manganelli 45:12 I-

David Imel 45:13 Agreed.

Speaker 45:13 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 45:14 I have a hot take.

David Imel 45:14 Yeah, we were fighting about it.

Andrew Manganelli 45:15 We were fighting about this.

David Imel 45:16 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 45:16 So now Google offers-

David Imel 45:17 Oh

Andrew Manganelli 45:17 ... three levels of camera bars.

David Imel 45:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 45:19 And depending on how much money you're willing to spend, you get a thicker camera bar, which is interesting.

David Imel 45:24 That's-

Speaker 45:24 Ugh

David Imel 45:24 ... so backwards.

Andrew Manganelli 45:25 But Apple-

Speaker 45:25 Move on

Andrew Manganelli 45:26 ... Apple kinda did this with the, the iPhone-

Speaker 45:28 Their phones, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 45:28 ... phones too.

Speaker 45:29 Triple camera is the big boy.

Andrew Manganelli 45:30 Yeah, the bigger the, the bump. [laughs] The bigger the bump-

Speaker 45:33 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 45:33 ... the more-

Speaker 45:33 I think that's-

Andrew Manganelli 45:34 ... money you're spending

Speaker 45:34 ... how most people explain-

Andrew Manganelli 45:36 Yeah

Speaker 45:36 ... the difference between the Pros and non-Pro iPhones.

Andrew Manganelli 45:38 Pretty much. [laughs]

Speaker 45:39 Oh, this is the one with three cameras.

Andrew Manganelli 45:40 Yeah.

Speaker 45:41 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 45:41 But-

David Imel 45:41 I get that. I just feel like if I'm paying more money, it should feel like the more premium device-

Andrew Manganelli 45:46 But-

David Imel 45:47 ... which is the smaller camera

Andrew Manganelli 45:48 ... I don't, I kinda disagree with that.

David Imel 45:49 Well-

Andrew Manganelli 45:49 Because the Pixel-

Speaker 45:50 I think the bigger camera phone is more premium

Andrew Manganelli 45:50 ... the Pixel 9A is flush, and to me, that feels like the cheapest phone possible.

David Imel 45:55 Well, that's because the phone itself is super cheap. If you-

Andrew Manganelli 45:57 No

David Imel 45:57 ... put that on a metal, glass, beautiful hardware-

Andrew Manganelli 46:00 I don't really think so.

David Imel 46:01 I think-

Andrew Manganelli 46:01 'Cause then it's just, then it's just a rectangle.

Speaker 46:03 Yeah, I think, I think people associate the bigger camera bump with the more capable camera.

Andrew Manganelli 46:07 Here's the other thing. The-

David Imel 46:08 Well, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 46:09 ... the Pros have the shiny-

Speaker 46:12 Rails

Andrew Manganelli 46:12 ... rails, and there's that rail around the camera bump as well, so you get that premium shiny around the camera bump.

David Imel 46:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 46:19 And it looks more premium.

David Imel 46:21 No, no, I get visually why that is the case.

Andrew Manganelli 46:23 Mm.

David Imel 46:23 And it being-

Andrew Manganelli 46:24 I-

David Imel 46:24 ... more cameras and everything.

Andrew Manganelli 46:25 I agree with you

David Imel 46:25 ... I just, like, I feel like if I'm picking something up and I'm holding it-

Speaker 46:29 Mm-hmm

David Imel 46:29 ... like the iPhone Air, when you pick up an iPhone Air, it's so thin, it's like, wow, like, this is a premium device. You know, like, it's-

Speaker 46:36 True. Yeah, it also has titanium. It's, like-

David Imel 46:38 Yeah, yeah

Speaker 46:39 ... super, super th-

David Imel 46:39 It's, it's more, like, the thinness.

Speaker 46:41 That also has a big camera bar, by the way.

David Imel 46:43 Well, yeah, but-

Speaker 46:44 It's an everything bar. The whole phone-

David Imel 46:45 Everything bar, yeah. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 46:46 Yeah.

Speaker 46:46 The whole, it has a phone bar. [laughs]

David Imel 46:48 Yeah.

Speaker 46:48 The whole phone is, is in the camera. [laughs]

David Imel 46:50 It's more so, like, the, the bump is not, like, it... I never got over it. Like, I know we've had it for so long, but I'm still like, this is annoying that we have the camera bump.

Speaker 46:58 You're gonna have to get over it, I think.

David Imel 46:59 I know.

Speaker 46:59 There's something there. I-

David Imel 47:00 It's basically... [laughs]

Speaker 47:01 I, I see both sides of this, where I, I could understand smaller camera bar means [clears throat] more engineering to shrink this thing-

David Imel 47:08 Yeah

Speaker 47:08 ... therefore better. But then I also see, like, bigger camera bar means-

David Imel 47:12 Better cameras

Speaker 47:13 ... better camera.

Andrew Manganelli 47:13 Yeah.

Speaker 47:13 Better camera. So the... Yeah, I see, I under-

Andrew Manganelli 47:15 I associate just purely flush phones that are just rectangles with being cheap phones. I don't know.

Speaker 47:20 With the worst cameras.

Andrew Manganelli 47:21 Yeah.

David Imel 47:21 But it's not a rectangle.

Speaker 47:22 Which is just-

David Imel 47:22 It's like a squircle thing

Speaker 47:24 ... history-

David Imel 47:24 Like, it's-

Andrew Manganelli 47:24 Brother. [laughs]

Speaker 47:26 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 47:26 I will say, I like this thought of, uh, they're physically building the price ladder-

Speaker 47:33 Yeah. [laughs]

David Imel 47:33 Of, uh-

Andrew Manganelli 47:33 ... of flush, step-up Pixel-

Speaker 47:35 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 47:35 ... step-up Pixel 11-

Speaker 47:36 Mm-hmm

Andrew Manganelli 47:37 ... Pro. Then I so badly want XL to be a little bigger, and then Fold to just be, [laughs] like, a quarter inch off the back of the camera. [laughs]

David Imel 47:43 Oh, yeah. That'd be incredible.

Speaker 47:45 New inch hole just dropped.

David Imel 47:46 Yeah. I mean, it-

Speaker 47:47 The price ladder.

David Imel 47:47 There's a, [laughs] there is a reason that they associate it with better cameras, because if you have a bigger sensor, you have to have more Z depth.

Speaker 47:53 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 47:53 So they have to make it bigger. But, uh, yeah, it is, it is funny. It is funny.

Speaker 47:58 Yeah.

David Imel 47:58 40% thinner, though, uh, on the regular 11. When you-

Speaker 48:01 That's the bar

David Imel 48:02 ... when you, like, hold it, feel it, it's interesting. It's kinda, it's that in between-

Speaker 48:06 Yeah, the, the bar-

Andrew Manganelli 48:06 The camera bar itself

David Imel 48:07 ... the camera bar.

Andrew Manganelli 48:07 The camera bar.

David Imel 48:08 The bar.

Speaker 48:08 The camera bar.

Andrew Manganelli 48:09 Just the camera bar itself.

David Imel 48:09 Just the camera bar.

Speaker 48:09 So the protrusion itself.

David Imel 48:11 Yeah.

Speaker 48:11 That's a protrusion number.

Andrew Manganelli 48:12 The premium protrusion. [laughs]

Speaker 48:13 Yeah, the premium protrusion.

David Imel 48:15 You're paying for less Z depth.

Andrew Manganelli 48:17 The base did the thing I asked them. Last year, I was like, "Google, you messed up. All you have to do, 256 base," and praise Google, they did it.

Speaker 48:25 Oh, yeah, they did.

Andrew Manganelli 48:26 For 100 extra dollars, they didn't do it at all.

David Imel 48:27 So they didn't really do it.

Andrew Manganelli 48:29 Worst barrier of entry. [laughs]

Speaker 48:31 Yeah.

David Imel 48:31 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 48:31 So I-

David Imel 48:31 They did this to all of them

Andrew Manganelli 48:32 ... come on.

Speaker 48:33 So to be clear, last year, the 10 started at 128 gigs-

Andrew Manganelli 48:37 Yeah

Speaker 48:37 ... which felt a little bit late to do that, and it was 799. This year, the phone starts at 256 gigs, so we started to clap, and then they said, "By the way, it also starts now at the price of last year's 256, $900."

David Imel 48:50 Yeah.

Speaker 48:51 And then we stopped clapping.

Andrew Manganelli 48:52 [laughs]

Speaker 48:53 So yeah, memory's expensive. Uh-

David Imel 48:55 I get it

Speaker 48:55 ... this is probably gonna be a trend. This is not the only phone that's gonna happen to, but that was, uh, one of the headlines about this phone.

Andrew Manganelli 49:01 Yeah. I'm very int- Oh, sorry.

Speaker 49:03 No, it's fine. It's just, w- this is happening to every phone on the market.

Andrew Manganelli 49:06 Yeah.

Speaker 49:06 Like, we've seen this across the board basically.

Andrew Manganelli 49:07 Well, and that is what I wanted to say, is the reason last year 128 base at 799 felt so bad is because the iPhone base was 256 at 799.

Speaker 49:18 Everyone. Everyone else.

Andrew Manganelli 49:18 And when Apple is the better deal than you-

Speaker 49:20 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 49:20 ... rough.

Speaker 49:21 Yeah.

David Imel 49:22 Yeah.

Speaker 49:22 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 49:24 Google almost needs the base iPhone, new iPhone to be-

David Imel 49:27 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 49:27 ... $100 increase and same base story.

David Imel 49:30 What is crazy-

Andrew Manganelli 49:31 Which most likely won't happen

David Imel 49:32 ... what's so crazy to me, and, like, I know that they have to make their margins and whatever, but a lot of these companies, especially Google and Apple, some of the richest companies in the world, and if they really wanna be competitive, like especially Google, if they wanna grow market share, it's a pretty big win for them. And I know that they might have to sell these at a slight loss, or maybe they're not even selling them at a loss, but they're just making a little less money. And I know that's not great, but if they can sell way more phones because the PR of the phone being like, "Oh, it's still, it's super affordable," it might be better for them in the long run.

Speaker 50:02 I think everyone watching this intuitively agrees, but when you said, "Make a little less money," all the shareholders went, "Huh. What?"

David Imel 50:08 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 50:09 And then it didn't.

David Imel 50:10 But maybe they'll make more money because more people will buy the phones.

Speaker 50:13 Yeah. Short-term gains-

David Imel 50:14 Yeah

Speaker 50:15 ... would be nice-

David Imel 50:16 Yeah

Speaker 50:16 ... in, like, the things we care about, but they gotta make the number go up every time they report it.

David Imel 50:21 It's just like the Nexus 7, like the Nexus 7 tablet. They literally lost $50 on every single tablet they sold-

Speaker 50:28 It was a disaster

David Imel 50:28 ... so that they could get Google accounts.

Speaker 50:30 It was a disaster.

Andrew Manganelli 50:30 Even a, a couple years ago, the, like, base Pixels were great deals.

David Imel 50:34 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 50:34 They were, yeah, amazing.

Andrew Manganelli 50:35 They, like, incredible deals compared when the Pro started being, like, 2 or $300 more.

Speaker 50:39 300 bucks more, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 50:40 And I'm interested if now, and, you know, the market's gonna, uh, have to catch up, but we did start seeing a... I mean, a Pixel market share increase is, like, a couple percent-

Speaker 50:51 Mm. Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 50:51 ... but that's, like-

Speaker 50:51 More

Andrew Manganelli 50:51 ... doubling-

David Imel 50:52 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 50:52 ... percentage-wise in US.

Speaker 50:53 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 50:53 So, like, we s- did see it go up a little bit, and now I wonder if being the same price as everything else, we're gonna now in two to three years-

Speaker 51:00 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 51:00 ... see it start to not be as good.

Speaker 51:03 We'll see.

David Imel 51:03 That's true.

Speaker 51:04 We'll see what the rest of the year happens to do with phones, but yeah, I never thought I would see a $900 starting Pixel price.

David Imel 51:09 Yeah, it's, it's a lot.

Speaker 51:10 That is pretty high.

David Imel 51:11 That's a lot.

Speaker 51:12 So we got the Pros as well.

David Imel 51:13 Yes.

Speaker 51:14 Slightly less muted or less exciting colors. I will mention, we mentioned the, the, the rails of the phone are glossy, except-

David Imel 51:21 [laughs]

Speaker 51:22 ... for the new matte black one.

Andrew Manganelli 51:23 So they are listening. [laughs]

Speaker 51:25 Somebody somewhere at Google did a little-

David Imel 51:27 This-

Speaker 51:27 ... extra work and-

David Imel 51:28 This definitely is the MKBHD edition. [laughs]

Speaker 51:30 ... the matte black phone has matte black rails.

David Imel 51:32 100%.

Speaker 51:34 That's great.

David Imel 51:34 We've complained about this-

Speaker 51:35 Way to work on-

David Imel 51:35 ... every year. We've complained about this for years.

Speaker 51:37 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 51:37 They were so hoping the title of the hands-on impressions-

David Imel 51:40 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 51:40 ... was gonna be like-

Speaker 51:41 They finally did it

Andrew Manganelli 51:41 ... matte black everything, maybe. And- [laughs]

David Imel 51:44 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 51:45 Yeah. So, um, so the Pro XL, the Pro and the Pro XL came out same size as 6.3, 6.8. Again, brighter displays. I think we might be able to say-

David Imel 51:53 The brightest display on any phone.

Speaker 51:54 Yeah, 3,600 nits is the highest we've seen for peak brightness.

David Imel 51:57 Yeah.

Speaker 51:58 Legitimately extremely bright in person and on camera.

David Imel 52:01 Yeah.

Speaker 52:01 I was turning them up, and actually, I was mostly turning them down- [laughs]

David Imel 52:03 Yeah

Speaker 52:04 ... for the footage 'cause they were really bright.

David Imel 52:05 Well, and what's crazy is, like, you're not even hitting peak brightness when you turn the brightness all the way up. It only does peak dar- brightness when the sun is shining on it-

Speaker 52:12 Yeah, that's HD

David Imel 52:12 ... and it knows it needs to be brighter.

Speaker 52:14 What if there's an eclipse?

David Imel 52:16 Then it'll get darker. [laughs]

Speaker 52:17 Yeah, indoors it was probably not hitting the 3,600 nits mark.

David Imel 52:19 No, it was probably 24 or something.

Speaker 52:21 But yeah.

David Imel 52:21 Yeah.

Speaker 52:21 Awesomely bright displays, which is great. Same resolutions. I think we have a new primary camera and a new telephoto, I believe. Maybe.

David Imel 52:29 Yeah, yeah. The, so the primary camera in the Pros is the same size as last year. They told me that the main reason they swapped it out is because it uses less power than the or- one last year.

Speaker 52:39 Oh.

David Imel 52:39 And if it uses less power, they can fit more... They said, "Now we can fit more AI features in it." Well, sort of. Yeah. The, the, the camera head, I talked to him a- about the camera stuff and he said, "Some of my favorite Pixel computational photography features ever you can fit in 100 milliwatts," which is the amount of power that they saved-

Speaker 52:56 Oh

David Imel 52:56 ... on the primary camera.

Speaker 52:57 I see, I see, I see.

David Imel 52:58 So I think that's the way that they think about these things.

Speaker 53:00 That is.

David Imel 53:00 Yeah, but the telephoto camera is, uh, bigger and gets 30% more light intake.

Speaker 53:06 That's nice.

David Imel 53:07 So.

Speaker 53:07 That's nice.

David Imel 53:07 It's good. So we'll be testing the zoom on these news, uh, on these new cameras. Uh, Tensor G6 as well. Less RAM.

Speaker 53:15 On the base.

David Imel 53:15 So-

Andrew Manganelli 53:15 The base

David Imel 53:16 ... on the base Pixel 11 Pro last year was 16 gigs of RAM. This year it's down to 12.

Speaker 53:22 Yeah.

David Imel 53:23 But if you upgrade from 256 to 512 or a terabyte of storage, you're back up to 16 gigs of RAM again.

Speaker 53:27 Yeah.

David Imel 53:28 So that's notably less RAM on the base Pro, which by the way is more expensive, 100 bucks more expensive again. So they start at $1,100, and the Pro XL starts at $1,300.

Speaker 53:39 That's so crazy.

Andrew Manganelli 53:41 What's the jump from 256 to 512?

Speaker 53:44 In price?

Andrew Manganelli 53:45 Of RAM.

David Imel 53:45 Oh, it's 200 bucks, I think.

Andrew Manganelli 53:46 It's 200 bucks?

David Imel 53:47 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 53:47 I was gonna say, that'd be-

Speaker 53:48 Hm. I think it's-

Andrew Manganelli 53:49 That'd be really, like, if it was only 100 bucks, uh, you would get the m- four extra gigs of RAM and the double the storage, but it's, it's wild that they're so-

Speaker 53:59 Wait, I might be wrong. Hold on

Andrew Manganelli 54:01 ... look at... But, like, dropping... This is the most Ramageddon thing I've ever seen, which is increase price by $100, give less RAM than last year.

Marques Brownlee 54:10 While you guys look this up, I just wanna put a little bit of context on something David said earlier. Um, Google does not report what percentage of their revenue actually comes from Pixel specifically.

David Imel 54:20 Too small.

Marques Brownlee 54:20 But they do report a category of their revenue called subscriptions, platforms, and devices.

Speaker 54:27 Yeah, they loop it all in.

Marques Brownlee 54:28 Yeah. And, uh, the numbers I'm seeing for the past few quarters seem to hover between 9 and 15% of all revenue.

Speaker 54:35 But subscriptions is a big bucket.

David Imel 54:38 Mm-hmm.

Marques Brownlee 54:39 I, I, I, I, I don't know what platforms means.

David Imel 54:43 Yeah.

Speaker 54:43 Platforms and devices, it's like Android.

Marques Brownlee 54:46 Yeah.

David Imel 54:46 Chrome.

Speaker 54:46 It's like-

David Imel 54:47 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 54:47 Okay.

David Imel 54:47 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 54:48 So I guess Pixel is somewhere between-

David Imel 54:49 This is what-

Marques Brownlee 54:50 ... zero and 9% of Google

Speaker 54:52 Yeah. This is what companies do when it's either something they wanna hide or it's too small to matter, or both.

Marques Brownlee 54:58 So it sounds like they can shave a little bit of a price off the Pixels.

Speaker 55:01 Yeah. Like, sometimes we'll wanna know how much money did Apple make off of, uh, this random small thing, like their... How much, how many keyboards did they sell? And you can never find this information 'cause it's always just gonna be looped in with Macs or whatever.

Marques Brownlee 55:13 It's the best-selling keyboard of all time, Marques.

Speaker 55:14 They, they'll, they'll say that on stage.

Marques Brownlee 55:16 All the time.

Speaker 55:16 And they'll put a little asterisk, and the fine print is like, "Trust us, we know."

Marques Brownlee 55:19 Yeah. [laughs]

David Imel 55:19 [laughs]

Speaker 55:19 And you're like, "All right. Well, I guess we'll just have to believe that." Um, yeah. So that's, you know, that's the story with the Pros. I'm still gonna be trying it out, still testing it, still doing the thing where I believe this is gonna be the phone that I use, but there's so much software stuff.

Andrew Manganelli 55:33 You don't look happy about it. [laughs]

Speaker 55:35 It's a matte black Pixel. [laughs]

David Imel 55:37 We, we do have to talk about all the software stuff, though.

Speaker 55:39 Yeah, there's plenty of software, but real quick, the new Fold Just to get that out. Okay. The new specs. So there's a couple interesting new things with the Fold. Uh, it is a tiny bit thinner. I think it's one millimeter thinner, but- Did you see why? Uh, 'cause of the new hinge? Because one side is thinner than the other side. Oh, that's also true. Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 55:57 Oh, really?

Speaker 55:58 Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 55:58 I saw that on video.

Speaker 55:59 The front- It says almost a millimeter thinner. Almost. And they s- they said nearly- Yeah ... a millimeter. [laughs] Nearly one millimeter saved. Big deal. Um, it still will have, I think, the same-ish size battery, but, uh, some new camera. Uh, and then the back material is now this, like, glass fiber composite, which they made a strangely big deal about to me. They were telling me, "Oh, yeah, it's unbreakable. You can't break it. It's impossible. You c- this is never gonna shatter." I was like, "What are you... Why are you tell- This is saying..." It was a very confident way of telling me- Yeah ... this is the material. Yeah. Um- Zack would like that word ... yeah. [laughs] We're gonna find out. Um, so we'll see. I like that it's still IP68. Like, they- Yeah ... have gone hard with the durability factor. Yeah. Like, uh, Samsung's are still IP40-something, I think IP48. You can get 'em wet, but you can't... They're not IP68.

Andrew Manganelli 56:47 Okay.

Speaker 56:47 Yeah. So s- so full IP68 still, and harder to crack, and Victus on the front. It's a, it's a supposedly very durable Fold. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 56:55 I- I'm so sorry. Is, uh, is glass fiber composite different than just, like, fiberglass?

Speaker 57:01 Uh, I guess they're not gonna tell us. Yeah, it's glass fiber. I... T- I mean, if you ask... 'Cause this is- That's the same ... I don't know if it's Gorilla Glass or not. This is... Like, Gorilla Glass is already a composite. Yeah, it's Vic- Victus 2. So-

Andrew Manganelli 57:11 That's just Gorilla Glass

Speaker 57:12 ... the back material is some other composite.

Andrew Manganelli 57:13 I put a milk-

Speaker 57:14 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 57:14 ... cream composite in my coffee every morning. You don't hear me [beep] bragging.

Speaker 57:17 [laughs] All composite means is it's mixed with something. Yeah. You don't know.

Andrew Manganelli 57:20 Well, what did it... You guys got to feel it. Did it feel like glass, or did it feel different?

Speaker 57:23 Felt like glass. Yeah. Yeah, it was the same.

Andrew Manganelli 57:24 I wonder if that's it. Fiberglass doesn't-

Speaker 57:25 Felt the same

Andrew Manganelli 57:25 ... feel like glass. I wonder if it was attempting to replicate that.

Speaker 57:29 Ceramic in there? It's better on the... Who knows?

Andrew Manganelli 57:30 Yeah.

Speaker 57:31 They said the durability was, like, 3x that-

Andrew Manganelli 57:33 That was the front screen

Speaker 57:34 ... of the front screen.

Andrew Manganelli 57:35 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 57:35 No, the front screen's 2x scratch-resistant.

Andrew Manganelli 57:38 But I also saw someone say the front display was claimed to be 3x more durable. On the back they just said nearly impossible to crack. Something about it would have to, like, fold around the phone in order for it to actually break.

Speaker 57:49 It's... That's... Yeah. Yeah. I'm impressed by that claim.

Andrew Manganelli 57:53 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 57:53 I need to feel the phone again and figure out. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 57:55 You have to be super confident to make that claim-

Speaker 57:58 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 57:58 ... or just lying.

Speaker 58:00 Yeah. They also made the ultra thin glass thicker, which is really funny. Um- [laughs] They told me in the briefing, "We, we made the ultra thin glass thicker to make it more durable."

Andrew Manganelli 58:10 Who-

Speaker 58:10 You know what's funny? This is, uh... I think we... Would you all agree this is the most durable Fold?

Andrew Manganelli 58:16 I don't know.

Speaker 58:16 [laughs] I've n-

Andrew Manganelli 58:16 I mean, that's what, that's what they s-

Speaker 58:17 ... none of us have seen it

Andrew Manganelli 58:18 ... that's what they say.

Speaker 58:19 It's supposed- Oh. It's, it seems like it is.

Andrew Manganelli 58:20 Allegedly it is, yeah.

Speaker 58:21 Yeah. Because the only Fold that's ever exploded in Zack's hands during a JerryRigEverything test- That's- ... is a Pixel Pro Fold.

Andrew Manganelli 58:27 Hm.

Speaker 58:27 I don't think it has anything... I think everyone can understand what Zack did-

Andrew Manganelli 58:31 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 58:32 ... was, like, [laughs] was, like, not something that's going to happen in extreme... Like, it had nothing to do because it was a Pixel. But the video did blow up, and sometimes that- It did. That was the only other Fold ... affects the way they market the next year's phone.

Andrew Manganelli 58:42 [laughs]

Speaker 58:42 And so maybe they changed the back material so that the glass- Was that last year's phone? ... wouldn't, like, shatter. Was it last year? Maybe it was two years ago.

Andrew Manganelli 58:48 Yeah.

Speaker 58:48 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 58:48 I'm gonna need to wait for the Zack video to know if this is the most durable-

Speaker 58:51 Mm-hmm

Andrew Manganelli 58:51 ... Fold ever.

Speaker 58:52 Yeah. I'll wait. Yeah, well.

Andrew Manganelli 58:53 I could do it for you, too, in, in New Jersey.

Speaker 58:55 I-

Andrew Manganelli 58:55 If you'd like.

Speaker 58:55 I don't think Google's as worried about Zack's incident as, like, Samsung's worried about, like, Note 7 explosions. Yeah. That was clearly Samsung's fault, whereas Zack's was, like, such a specific thing that happened that will never happen to a phone again. Yeah, it was a lot of chance. This was last year's 10 Pro. It was last year's.

Andrew Manganelli 59:11 Some Samsung executive is sitting there just like, "God, they're still talking about it."

Speaker 59:15 They're s- [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Forever. But yeah, in general, um- $1,899 for that one ... expensive- Yeah ... obviously, still. Uh, but all your same stuff, 16 gigs of RAM, Tensor G6, slightly larger interior display, slightly thinner bezels, slightly brighter screens, all the Pixel stuff. Yeah. It's all still here, so looking forward to testing. Two new Made You Look animations.

Andrew Manganelli 59:38 Yay.

Speaker 59:38 Nice. Oh, really? Yeah. Nice. If you don't remember, Made You Look is, uh, on the, on the screen. When you have the phone open, the front screen will have, like, little animation guys that are like, "Hello, hello." So if you have kids, they'll, like- Yeah ... stare at it and smile and stuff.

Andrew Manganelli 59:53 I, I did watch it work for-

Speaker 59:55 Really?

Andrew Manganelli 59:55 I, I saw it in real life. I went to the aquarium with my friend and his daughter, and, um, we sat her and Lane on this, like, little s- turtle statue and getting both to look at the same time, and he just walks up and goes, "Tch, tch." And then he told me [laughs] that he hates the camera so much, most of the time he does it, he uses that while his wife takes the picture [laughs] with her iPhone.

Speaker 1:00:15 [laughs] Oh. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:17 Oof. Oof.

Speaker 1:00:18 Oh, my God. Google was about to clip this out of the podcast.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:21 Yeah.

Speaker 1:00:21 Like, yes, yeah. Oh, no.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:23 [laughs]

Speaker 1:00:23 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:23 Cut that, cut that, cut that.

Speaker 1:00:24 But it did work. It did work very well.

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:26 But Trevor said that the Pixel has the best low-light photography-

Speaker 1:00:29 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:29 ... in the industry.

Speaker 1:00:30 That's rough. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure those animations will never come to older Pixel Folds. Yeah. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:00:36 Uh, they forgot how.

Speaker 1:00:38 You need the RAM. Yeah, you need the Tensor, for sure. [laughs] Yeah. Um- All right. Yeah. Well, I wanna talk about all the, the camera stuff and the software,

Speaker 1:00:47 but I think we need to take one more break. We also gotta take, talk about the Pixel Watch and the Pixel Tag, which is the AirDrop competitor. I can do that pretty quick. You wanna talk about the Pixel Tag now? Should we do it real quick? Let's do it. Okay. You guys have heard of, uh, AirTags, right? You, you know, the, like, the... What's the little... What are they based on?

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:03 AirTags.

Speaker 1:01:03 AirTags.

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:04 Oh, Find My?

Speaker 1:01:04 Find- Circles. No, but they're based on tiles. Yeah. Oh. So you've heard of tiles.

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:07 Tiles.

Speaker 1:01:07 You've heard of AirTags. Well, now Google makes one. Same price, same concept. Yeah, same. Same thing. It's a little longer, though. You can find it with Gemini. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:15 It looks like the Fitbit Air kind of.

Speaker 1:01:16 It, it has a Google G on it. Yeah. It's, uh, very small. It's thick. Yeah. What is-

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:20 It's wider

Speaker 1:01:20 ... the Fitbit Gemini mean? It just means, like, you can ask it. Meaning you can be like, "Hey, Gemini, find my luggage tag." And then if you named it Luggage Tag, it'll be like, "Boop, it's in Nova Scotia. Somebody stole it." Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:29 [laughs]

Speaker 1:01:29 That's gonna be so... 'Cause people use these for, like, kids at amusement parks, so it's gonna be so funny, like-

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:34 Gemini, where's Lane? [laughs]

Speaker 1:01:36 [laughs]

David Imel 1:01:37 You know the, you know the smudge tool in Photoshop where you can, it's like the finger thing-

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:41 Yeah

David Imel 1:01:41 ... and you, you smoosh the thing to the... It's like if you took an Air Tag and you used that tool on it, you smooshed it in a direction.

Speaker 1:01:46 Does it?

Andrew Manganelli 1:01:46 Yeah.

David Imel 1:01:47 'Cause it's elongated. Like-

Speaker 1:01:48 Then

David Imel 1:01:48 ... there's an area where the battery can go in on the back, and that's this, a circle, and that's basically the size and shape of an Air Tag. And then for some reason, they just elongated it by, like, almost twice the length.

Speaker 1:01:59 It's thinner.

David Imel 1:02:00 It's-

Speaker 1:02:00 Than an Air Tag

David Imel 1:02:00 ... thinner than an Air Tag, but it is longer.

Speaker 1:02:02 Kind of looks like the Fitbit Air thingy.

David Imel 1:02:04 Yeah. It's a little, it's a little, a little wider than a Fit Air.

Speaker 1:02:07 Yeah.

David Imel 1:02:07 Yeah. And-

Speaker 1:02:08 So yeah, it's 30 bucks.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:09 Can you replace the battery on it?

David Imel 1:02:10 Hopefully they work well.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:10 I was just gonna ask.

David Imel 1:02:11 Replaceable battery, yes.

Speaker 1:02:12 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:12 Okay, nice.

David Imel 1:02:12 Yeah, it's the same as an Air Tag, basically.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:14 Cool. You can replace the battery-

Speaker 1:02:14 This is cool. I'm probably gonna-

David Imel 1:02:15 Yeah

Speaker 1:02:15 ... take this off the back.

David Imel 1:02:16 You just bop.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:18 What, what do you-

David Imel 1:02:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:19 How? Where do you put it?

Speaker 1:02:20 It's a coin battery.

David Imel 1:02:20 You li- it's a coin battery.

Speaker 1:02:21 Oh, nice.

David Imel 1:02:21 Little watch battery type thing.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:22 I don't own an Air Tag.

David Imel 1:02:23 Literally, like, Air Tag is, like, a coin battery with a little casing on it.

Speaker 1:02:26 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:02:26 That's literally all it is.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:27 Swag.

David Imel 1:02:28 It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1:02:28 Four-pack for 100 bucks.

David Imel 1:02:30 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:30 But I'm weirdly the most excited about the Pixel Tag.

Speaker 1:02:32 There you go.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:32 Out of everything here.

David Imel 1:02:33 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:34 Yeah.

David Imel 1:02:34 Well, the Moto Tag has already existed.

Speaker 1:02:36 The Moto Tag is good, too.

David Imel 1:02:37 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:38 So then, [laughs] then there's the Watch.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:39 But does it have HiLight? [laughs]

Speaker 1:02:41 [laughs] No. Uh, then there's the Watch, the Watch 5. The Watch 5 did get some interesting substantial improvements. Uh, much more accurate GPS. They actually name-dropped the Apple Watch Ultra and Garmin Fenix on stage.

David Imel 1:02:53 During the event

Speaker 1:02:53 ... they said it's more accurate GPS than both of those.

David Imel 1:02:56 Which was kind of crazy that they did that.

Speaker 1:02:57 Which is big.

David Imel 1:02:57 Usually you don't name-drop like that.

Speaker 1:02:59 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:02:59 We'll find out.

Speaker 1:03:00 They name-dropped models.

David Imel 1:03:01 Yeah.

Speaker 1:03:01 So they said better, uh, it is more expensive, but it is, uh, more accurate, it has more h- more tracking. Generally more data collection, but obviously for more accuracy for all the health tracking stuff.

David Imel 1:03:11 They said 15% better sleep tracking, which-

Speaker 1:03:14 Interesting

David Imel 1:03:14 ... or more accurate sleep tracking, which is a really, really hard metric to actually contextualize.

Speaker 1:03:20 Yeah.

David Imel 1:03:20 And that also makes me think, damn, how bad was the sleep tracking before?

Speaker 1:03:24 I guess, like, what part of sleep tracking? Like falling asleep, waking up, REM, deep-

David Imel 1:03:28 I think that's probably what it is

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:29 ... blah, blah, yeah

David Imel 1:03:30 ... the falling asleep-

Speaker 1:03:31 Okay

David Imel 1:03:31 ... and waking up parts, but-

Speaker 1:03:32 I, whenever I read that, I just kind of read, uh, they're sampling 15% more frequently.

David Imel 1:03:37 Maybe.

Speaker 1:03:37 That's kind of what I assume is happening. I don't know how else you make the claim of 15% more accurate.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:41 I mean, it might just be, like, our algorithms to create this score-

Speaker 1:03:47 Are 15% better

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:48 ... is better in some way. I don- I don't know.

Speaker 1:03:50 I don't know. Maybe.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:50 It's actually saying.

David Imel 1:03:51 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:03:51 It's mostly saying nothing.

Speaker 1:03:52 Yeah. I mean, the, design-wise it looks the same. It has a slightly higher clocked Snapdragon W5 Gen 2 chip inside.

David Imel 1:04:00 Yeah.

Speaker 1:04:01 Better memory bandwidth, more on-device Gemini capabilities, which I know that you wanted in your watch. Um-

David Imel 1:04:06 Insulin resistance detection-

Speaker 1:04:08 Yeah

David Imel 1:04:09 ... is their big new headline feature this year.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:10 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1:04:11 Insulin resistance trends-

David Imel 1:04:13 Yeah

Speaker 1:04:13 ... specifically. And what was the other trend? There was another trend.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:16 There's a blood pressure thing.

David Imel 1:04:17 Blood pressure.

Speaker 1:04:18 Oh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:18 Oxygen levels.

David Imel 1:04:19 It does blood-

Speaker 1:04:20 Well, so there's a-

David Imel 1:04:21 Like breathing emergencies

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:22 ... breathing emergencies was one of the other things for-

David Imel 1:04:24 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:24 ... like choking, toxic inhalations, or drug toxicity accidents. If they dro- if your oxygen drops, it can call emergency services.

David Imel 1:04:30 Yeah.

Speaker 1:04:31 Yeah.

David Imel 1:04:31 Yeah. By the way-

Speaker 1:04:32 Mm-hmm

David Imel 1:04:32 ... a friend of mine's dad got in a bike crash recently, and he got knocked out in the bike crash.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:37 Oh my God.

David Imel 1:04:37 And he had a Pixel Watch on, and it did call 911.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:39 Oh.

Speaker 1:04:40 Oh.

David Imel 1:04:40 And it actually did help him.

Speaker 1:04:42 That's probably-

David Imel 1:04:42 So-

Speaker 1:04:42 ... crash detection?

David Imel 1:04:43 Yeah, crash detection.

Speaker 1:04:44 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:44 Okay, that's cool.

David Imel 1:04:44 So this stuff does work.

Speaker 1:04:46 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:46 Yeah.

David Imel 1:04:46 You know? That's why they use it in the ad every single year-

Speaker 1:04:48 [laughs] Yeah

David Imel 1:04:49 ... for the Apple Watch.

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:50 They're about to ask you what is-

David Imel 1:04:51 When the bear comes in your house.

Speaker 1:04:52 [laughs] Yeah.

David Imel 1:04:53 You know? The bear's in your house and your watch can call 911. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:57 Yeah, it was, uh-

David Imel 1:04:57 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:04:57 ... three gigs of RAM from two gigs, double storage to 64.

David Imel 1:05:01 Oh, so they can put more RAM in the watch, huh? [laughs]

Speaker 1:05:03 [laughs] For Gemini. Um, I also-

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:06 How much is it, did we say?

Speaker 1:05:08 399.

David Imel 1:05:09 399.

Speaker 1:05:09 US.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:10 Oh my God.

Speaker 1:05:10 Gee.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:11 Well, to give them credit, and I hope I'm right about this, just leave it in, if I'm wrong, and someone will tell me, I think this is the first increase on Pixel Watch since the-

David Imel 1:05:20 Of?

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:20 Price increase.

David Imel 1:05:21 Oh, price increase.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:22 So-

David Imel 1:05:22 I think so, yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:23 ... fine. Five generations in and you raise it 50 bucks-

David Imel 1:05:27 Mm

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:27 ... I think.

David Imel 1:05:28 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:28 Okay.

Speaker 1:05:29 Blood pressure.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:29 I don't think that's as bad in compared to all the other things.

Speaker 1:05:33 Yeah, I agree.

David Imel 1:05:34 Yeah. They're fine.

Speaker 1:05:34 Yeah, 399 is in line, I feel like that's-

David Imel 1:05:35 Does it have HiLight?

Speaker 1:05:37 It does [laughs] not have HiLight. It does also have blood pressure trend.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:40 No, it just, it just tells you who's calling you. [laughs]

Speaker 1:05:43 It's a screen.

David Imel 1:05:43 Yeah, it has a screen.

Andrew Manganelli 1:05:43 It gives you more than HiLight.

Speaker 1:05:45 Screen. Um, but yeah, that's, that's essentially it.

David Imel 1:05:48 Yeah. A better fitness tool. Oh, we also got, uh, a new color of Pixel Bud, and they're pushing an update to it. Uh, Pixel Bud Pro 2, which are really old now, and I don't know why they haven't released a Gen 3, I guess because they just think that it's fine and they can make new software updates. Which is what they're doing, they're pushing a big software update.

Speaker 1:06:05 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:06:05 Supposed to have better ANC. It has sleep detection now, so that when you fall asleep and music listening, it'll, like, pause and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:06:12 Hmm.

David Imel 1:06:12 Um, had something to, had something to do with, like, matching up with your watch to do something in as well, but-

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:17 I thought the watch is what detects if you're asleep.

David Imel 1:06:20 Maybe that was it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:21 I think that was it. I don't think the buds themselves-

Speaker 1:06:23 Oh, and then pauses your music

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:23 ... detect it.

David Imel 1:06:23 The buds had something.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:25 Were you paying attention?

David Imel 1:06:26 Uh-

Speaker 1:06:26 [laughs]

David Imel 1:06:27 ... it was 1:00 AM. [laughs] So I don't know. But yeah, I don't know, you don't need to buy new, uh, Pixel Buds, but they did have the new, uh, olive color, so.

Speaker 1:06:37 Nice.

David Imel 1:06:37 It's the same color as the Pixel Pro green, so.

Speaker 1:06:40 Are any of us fall asleep with earbuds in people?

David Imel 1:06:43 I sometimes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:44 Yes.

Speaker 1:06:44 Really?

Andrew Manganelli 1:06:45 I-

Speaker 1:06:45 They stay in?

David Imel 1:06:46 I live in the cellar, notably on the busiest street in my neighborhood, and sometimes there's construction that happens in the middle of the night, and it's really loud. Uh, I also have my AC running right above my face, and that can get annoying sometimes. So sometimes I do wear noise-canceling earbuds to fall asleep. I also use them on the plane to fall asleep.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:06 Same.

David Imel 1:07:06 So.

Speaker 1:07:06 Yeah, the plane is the big one for me.

David Imel 1:07:07 They do not stay in.

Speaker 1:07:09 Really?

David Imel 1:07:09 And then I lose them, and then I find them.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:11 Are you a side sleeper?

David Imel 1:07:13 I, I sleep every direction.

Speaker 1:07:15 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:15 I am-

David Imel 1:07:15 Sometimes I go backwards

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:16 ... a side sleeper

Speaker 1:07:16 I can't imagine earbuds-

David Imel 1:07:17 Or a tooth sleeper

Speaker 1:07:18 ... in side-

David Imel 1:07:18 Yeah

Speaker 1:07:18 ... I would lose those so fast.

David Imel 1:07:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:19 No, I'm a side sleeper. I sleep in them, not like every night, but if I'm somewhere loud, I'll use them as earplugs and they stay in all night.

Speaker 1:07:24 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:07:25 Wow, you're, you're lucky.

Speaker 1:07:26 I'm a big, like, white noise while sleeping person.

David Imel 1:07:28 Are you?

Speaker 1:07:28 I slept... So I, I lived in Hoboken for, uh, five years, and my apartment there had, right outside there was a bus stop. There was a hospital, so always got ambulances, blah, blah, so I always just put a fan right in the window and just turned it all the way up.

David Imel 1:07:41 Yeah.

Speaker 1:07:41 So I always fall asleep to that noise.

David Imel 1:07:43 Mm.

Speaker 1:07:43 Now, in a hotel like this, it's too quiet.

David Imel 1:07:45 [laughs]

Speaker 1:07:46 So I'll just, I have to, like, play a white noise machine or something.

David Imel 1:07:48 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:49 Wow.

David Imel 1:07:49 I do sometimes.

Speaker 1:07:50 Yeah, I can.

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:50 Actually, I-

Speaker 1:07:51 Been also years

Andrew Manganelli 1:07:51 ... no one cares, but I hate white noises 'cause we have to play it for when Lane was a baby sleeping in our room, and now Owen, and I can't wait till the white noise machine goes away.

David Imel 1:07:58 You more of a pink noise guy?

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:00 More dead silence

1:08:01 Brown noise [laughs]

1:08:02 Brown noise

1:08:03 Dead silence is crazy.

David Imel 1:08:04 I love dead silence.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:05 Yeah.

David Imel 1:08:06 Better than live silence.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:07 I can't. Actually, you know what's funny? This is so off topic.

David Imel 1:08:09 What?

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:10 Okay, I had, I had, um... [laughs] this is so stupid.

David Imel 1:08:12 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:13 My... I had a Spotify, I just looked up, like, rain sounds. There was, like, a 50-track, like-

David Imel 1:08:18 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:18 ... rain sounds thing that I was playing.

David Imel 1:08:19 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:20 So, like, last night, we're super jet lagged, I started the rain sounds thing and then I went to sleep. And then I woke up and the rain sounds had stopped playing and I was like, "That's weird that this, that it stopped playing." So I went over to turn it on and right before I turned it on, the shower just started, like, making-

David Imel 1:08:39 Oh

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:40 ... noise of, like, random water coming out of it.

David Imel 1:08:44 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:45 And I was like-

David Imel 1:08:45 My shower did that, too

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:46 ... "The hell is go-" Like, I was about to play water sounds-

1:08:48 It started, like-

David Imel 1:08:49 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:49 ... but then-

1:08:49 ... a little after

1:08:50 ... water. I was freaked out-

David Imel 1:08:51 Oh

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:51 ... for, like, five minutes.

David Imel 1:08:52 That was-

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:52 I was like, "What? Who is in this room right now?"

David Imel 1:08:54 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:08:54 "Who turned off my water and made water?"

David Imel 1:08:56 So none of you guys watch YouTube ever to fall asleep?

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:00 I've never.

David Imel 1:09:00 I do.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:01 Uh, I always turn it off.

David Imel 1:09:02 I use the sleep timer.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:03 Okay.

David Imel 1:09:03 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:03 The autoplay algorithm when you're sleeping-

David Imel 1:09:06 It's crazy

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:07 ... completely different.

1:09:08 Lan show. Lan show.

David Imel 1:09:08 It's, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:09 Yeah, dude.

David Imel 1:09:10 Uh-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:10 They will show you things that you did not even know were possible.

1:09:12 [laughs]

1:09:12 [laughs]

1:09:13 Um, there's a really good Reply All episode where, spoiler alert, this person was playing, like, white noise, but it happened to be this one, like, white noise thing they got-

David Imel 1:09:24 Oh, my God

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:24 ... had, like, footsteps-

David Imel 1:09:26 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:26 ... and then, like, a person, like, mumbling. So the, the person was living in the, like, basement of a house and thought someone had broken in in the middle of the night-

David Imel 1:09:32 That's terrifying.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:32 Oh, I did listen to that one

1:09:32 ... and, like, freaked out. Yeah.

David Imel 1:09:34 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:34 Yes. That would freak me out.

David Imel 1:09:35 One more slight tangent. Uh-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:37 [laughs] While we're here

David Imel 1:09:38 ... my friend is a musician and makes decent money in his band, with his band as his full-time job.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:44 Dude, shut up about Streetlight Manifesto.

David Imel 1:09:46 That's not-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:46 [laughs]

David Imel 1:09:48 They do not make decent money.

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:49 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, David.

David Imel 1:09:50 He probably makes more money than they do. Anyway, um, and he recently, a few months ago, started making, like, ambient sleep music-

Andrew Manganelli 1:09:59 Mm-hmm

David Imel 1:09:59 ... to go to sleep to, and he's put out, like, five ambient sleep albums.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:03 That's probably a good hack.

David Imel 1:10:04 He said he makes, like, 30 to 50,000 a month. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:07 Oh.

1:10:08 It's like with ambient sleep music.

David Imel 1:10:10 But he's like, "I know for a fact that Spotify in the next, like, year is just going to start AI generating all this music."

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:16 Mm-hmm.

1:10:16 Because why-

David Imel 1:10:17 Because why would they give that money away to other people when they could have it for themselves?

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:20 Mm.

David Imel 1:10:20 And it is the, it is the easiest, like, money hack ever.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:24 Wow.

David Imel 1:10:24 Um, anyway, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:26 Geez.

David Imel 1:10:26 His ambient sleep music is good. I actually use it, so.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:29 Oh.

1:10:29 Yeah, he doesn't need a plug. He's making plenty of money off it. [laughs]

David Imel 1:10:32 Well, I'm not plu-

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:33 Yeah

David Imel 1:10:33 ... I'm not plugging. I didn't even listen to his-

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:34 Listen to Waveform when you're sleeping.

David Imel 1:10:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:37 Do that. Do that.

David Imel 1:10:37 Yeah. Which [laughs] okay, one more side joke.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:40 [laughs]

David Imel 1:10:41 I had a friend tell me that the- the YouTube algorithm, that he falls asleep to YouTube every night, and every single night he wakes up and it's playing our Halloween episode from last year.

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:50 What? [laughs]

1:10:51 Really?

David Imel 1:10:51 And it's always the Halloween episode, and he always wakes up and finishes it. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:56 [laughs]

David Imel 1:10:57 He says every night. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:10:59 He can probably recite it as he's gone.

David Imel 1:11:01 It's just crazy. I know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:02 That's-

David Imel 1:11:02 I know

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:03 ... that's amazing.

David Imel 1:11:03 Anyway-

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:04 The one where I'm a minion?

David Imel 1:11:05 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:06 I think you were all dressed up.

David Imel 1:11:07 It was the, it was the, it was the year before this last year.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:09 Oh, the Hamburglar.

David Imel 1:11:10 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:11 Was I dressed up?

David Imel 1:11:11 When I was a large language model.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:12 You were-

1:11:13 Right.

1:11:14 I might have been dressed up.

1:11:15 Oh, no, no, no. I don't think you were there and we made you a zombie in the thumbnail and people called it clickbait.

1:11:20 Oh.

1:11:20 'Cause w- it was a joke that you were sick, I think.

1:11:22 Oh.

1:11:23 And, and people were really mad you weren't in the episode. [laughs]

1:11:26 Damn.

David Imel 1:11:26 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:26 That's really funny.

David Imel 1:11:27 All right. Well, we really have to take a break and then we gotta talk about some new software stuff, 'cause I really wanna ramble about, um, about camera stuff.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:35 Which means it's time for tensor, I mean trivia. [upbeat music] [laughs] There he is.

David Imel 1:11:40 Notable delay. [laughs] Tensor trivia.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:43 Trivia, dude. So we spoke about HiLight earlier. Marques, stop looking at my tablet. We spoke about the HiLight feature, which is the new Google way of letting you see that you got notifications on your, on your Pixel phone.

1:11:55 Oh.

David Imel 1:11:55 Uh, notification.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:56 Cool.

David Imel 1:11:56 No, not a notification.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:57 Notification.

1:11:57 Yeah, you're right. Notification.

David Imel 1:11:58 Notification.

Andrew Manganelli 1:11:58 Notification.

David Imel 1:11:59 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:00 Uh, but HTC already solved this years ago with a case that protected the screen.

David Imel 1:12:05 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:06 Do you remember what this feature was called?

David Imel 1:12:08 What it was called?

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:09 It was-

David Imel 1:12:09 Oh, no.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:10 What was it called?

David Imel 1:12:11 I made a whole video about this case.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:12 Yes, you did.

David Imel 1:12:13 Oh, no. And I was in Barcelona when I made that video.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:15 Really?

David Imel 1:12:15 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:16 Which is also in Spain.

David Imel 1:12:17 In Spain.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:17 Wow.

1:12:18 Here we are now.

1:12:18 Very topical.

David Imel 1:12:19 Oh, I wish-

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:19 How convenient

David Imel 1:12:20 ... I could remember the name.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:21 I have an idea.

David Imel 1:12:22 I could describe it in such detail.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:25 It- it was cool

David Imel 1:12:25 ... but I don't think the details include that name.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:27 Dots. [laughs]

1:12:28 [laughs] It was Dots.

David Imel 1:12:28 That's a great word. I'm glad you said that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:29 [laughs]

1:12:30 No.

David Imel 1:12:30 That's in the name for sure.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:31 Damn it.

David Imel 1:12:31 That's for sure in the name.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:33 Oh, okay. I was gonna... It's mad I gave you a hint, but I didn't know, so I may have inadvertently-

David Imel 1:12:37 What's the other word?

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:38 ... given myself a hint.

David Imel 1:12:38 It's like a portm-

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:39 Was that, like, a Halloween candy joke? 'Cause Marques likes Dots.

1:12:42 Marques does love-

David Imel 1:12:43 I love Dots.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:44 Well, David's friend knows.

David Imel 1:12:45 This will make much more sense-

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:46 Was that in our Halloween episode?

David Imel 1:12:47 ... when we hear the answer.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:48 Yeah.

David Imel 1:12:48 Okay. All right. We'll either learn something new or remember something incredible at the end.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:53 [laughs]

David Imel 1:12:54 We'll be right back.

Andrew Manganelli 1:12:54 Like the HTC Incredible 2 you said so great.

1:12:57 Wow, callback.

David Imel 1:12:58 Thanks. [upbeat music]

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David Imel 1:15:33 Yes

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:33 ... from

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:34 the Google event. One last segment here. Uh, do we have any favorites? We want to... Any, like, highlights from the-

David Imel 1:15:40 Don't do it-

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:41 Wow

David Imel 1:15:41 ... Marques.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:42 Sorry, that's a pun.

David Imel 1:15:42 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:43 I meant to say any things that we think are worth talking about-

David Imel 1:15:48 Yes

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:48 ... for software.

David Imel 1:15:49 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:49 Go on.

David Imel 1:15:50 So I have a few camera things I wanna talk about.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:52 Go on.

David Imel 1:15:52 Okay. Google added a thing called Camera Looks.

Andrew Manganelli 1:15:56 Oh, I saw this.

David Imel 1:15:57 Yes. So Camera Looks is kind of like the Fujifilm film simulations in a, in a lot of ways. I did an interview with Isaac Reynolds, uh, Google Pixel camera chief. Uh, last time I interviewed him was for the Pixel 4, so it's been a while. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:13 That was their prime.

David Imel 1:16:15 It was their prime. It was... Well, except for the whole solely thing. We don't talk about that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:19 Yeah. [laughs]

David Imel 1:16:20 Um, yeah. But, [laughs] but at the time, when I interviewed him in, in 2019, it was wild because his, the, their whole mentality at Google was if you are tapping anything on the screen except for the shutter button, it is error. That's what he told me-

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:34 All input is error

David Imel 1:16:34 ... in 2019. All input is error.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:36 Heard that somewhere.

David Imel 1:16:36 The Elon approach.

Andrew Manganelli 1:16:37 Elon, yes.

David Imel 1:16:38 All input is error. This year, notably extremely different. Um, there are so many settings now in the Pixel camera. You have pro modes. You have, like, manual settings. You got everything. But there's this new mode now called Camera Looks. Camera Looks, uh, there are thr- four defaults for sort of, like, the original Camera Look. And then you have Vanilla, which makes it a little more kind of, like, warmer. And then there's a classic... I don't know. There's a few primary, and then there's a bunch of basically film simulations. So you've got the Digi Cam simulation.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:09 Oh, it has these built-in, too?

David Imel 1:17:10 Yeah, it's also built-in, called Digi. Um, there's a minimal one, which basically removes... So the, okay, the coolest thing about all of this-

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:18 Mm

David Imel 1:17:18 ... is that the way that they are doing this is that they are doing less computational photography dynamically, but in the most Google way possible, depending on the settings that you change with the contrast and the options that you pick because you basically pick one of these film modes, like the Digi Cam mode, whatever.

Andrew Manganelli 1:17:37 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:17:37 And then you can change settings like contrast. You can change settings like sharpness, like all of these things. Depending on the settings you change, the processing will dynamically do less HDR or less sharpness, things like that. So when you do, you know, when you're taking an HDR photo, it's compositing a bunch of sampled frames on top of each other to give you better noise reduction, things like that. And the Google camera team is very, very sure that this is the best possible way to make a photo. I disagree. And it s- apparently a lot of people have disagreed because now they have this Camera Looks thing. And now, when you take a photo with one of these modes, it's using less samples to actually have less sharpness, make it a little bit softer, make it have a little bit less, uh, l- less detail in the shadows, things like that.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:26 Imperfection is-

David Imel 1:18:26 Imperfections. They're, they [laughs] are using machine learning to dynamically give you less perfect photos, which is the most-

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:34 But only in these modes, right?

David Imel 1:18:35 But only in these modes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:35 Not, like, by the default camera?

David Imel 1:18:37 No. The default camera's the same. Well, it's-

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:38 You can set it as a default, though?

David Imel 1:18:40 You c- you can set four modes as a default, annoyingly. This is very annoying. You can't set, like, the Digi simulation as a default. You can only set... The only-

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:48 Oh

David Imel 1:18:48 ... defaults you can set are, like, the Vanilla, the, like, minimal. There's four options.

Andrew Manganelli 1:18:52 Okay.

David Imel 1:18:53 And then there's a bunch of film options. But it's the most Google thing in the world to use machine learning to dynamically decide how much computational photography they should be doing it all.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:05 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:19:05 Um, so that's very funny. And I think it's really cool, uh, because what's been people... It's what people have been asking for for a long time. It's clearly a direct reaction to people using a lot of third-party camera apps that give you these features. Um, so that's pretty great.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:19 Yeah.

David Imel 1:19:19 I think it's nice. Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:20 It was good. I will definitely be messing with these. Um, it almost opens a can of worms into a much bigger conversation, which is, I'm not gonna do it, so don't take the bait.

David Imel 1:19:31 Don't do it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:31 But-

David Imel 1:19:31 Not taking it

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:32 ... are we at peak smartphone if, like, most of what we're trying to do with new smartphone cameras is give them some imperfections back?

David Imel 1:19:41 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:41 But don't take the bait. Don't. Well, that's another episode.

David Imel 1:19:43 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:44 We'll, we'll do that.

David Imel 1:19:44 That is a, that is a great separate episode, but-

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:46 One hour later

David Imel 1:19:47 ... I do think it's amazing that we're making cameras worse because they are too perfect.

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:51 Yeah.

David Imel 1:19:52 And Isaac Reynolds was like, "No, we, like we've, we've solved the camera."

Andrew Manganelli 1:19:56 Yeah.

David Imel 1:19:56 Um, which sure, if you want it to look like ass, but, you know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:00 [laughs]

David Imel 1:20:01 Anyway, so-

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:01 On the other end of the camera spectrum-

David Imel 1:20:03 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:03 ... uh, 'cause I noticed there was a lot more, when I was doing my hands-on, there's a lot more buttons in the camera mode.

David Imel 1:20:07 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:07 Another one, when you slide over to the left, is just this Magic Capture feature.

David Imel 1:20:11 Yes.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:11 Which is, and they showed it at the event as well. All you do is, again, this is about living in the moment.

David Imel 1:20:18 So don't even bother snapping photos and videos. Whatever's happening in front of you, just open up Magic Capture, and start it, and point it at the scene, and then whatever happens, happens, and at the end, Google's Magic Capture will have decided on some photo frames and some videos to capture for you that are the best, the highlights from that scene.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:38 Yeah.

David Imel 1:20:39 And they give some examples, which are interesting. I think, uh, a nice example would be, like, I don't know, a solar eclipse is happening in front of you or something.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:47 [laughs]

David Imel 1:20:47 And instead of, like, pointing your phone at it in front of your face, you should just, like-

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:52 Watch it

David Imel 1:20:53 ... enjoy the thing in front of you, and so just start a Magic Capture, and whatever it decides is happening-

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:58 Okay

David Imel 1:20:58 ... it'll capture it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:20:59 Yeah.

David Imel 1:20:59 But the example they used was much more action-packed. It was, like, people playing basketball in front of you, uh, different poses, different... You know, people looking at the camera versus not looking. It will smartly take tons and tons of frames, sift it down, pick the best ones, and give it to you.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:12 Yeah.

David Imel 1:21:12 Magic.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:13 Yeah.

David Imel 1:21:13 Magic Capture.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:13 You sold, you sold me on that feature when, uh, at first I was like-

David Imel 1:21:16 Mm-hmm

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:16 ... "This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard."

David Imel 1:21:18 Yeah, no, that-

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:18 You kinda sold me.

David Imel 1:21:19 It's funny 'cause in the keynote, the, the example, they had a li- they said it was a live demo. Their example was that he was at a basketball game, and he's like, "You wanna live in the moment." So he has his phone just recording while he's watching the game. I've tried doing this before-

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:33 Yeah

David Imel 1:21:33 ... and it's really hard. If you're not looking at the screen, your hand kinda-

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:37 This is where you lost me, yeah

David Imel 1:21:37 ... your hand kinda just drifts.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:39 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:21:39 And it's really difficult.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:41 You gotta keep everything in frame.

David Imel 1:21:42 This... Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:42 Yeah, hard part. You're not in the moment. Things still need to be in frame. I don't get this at all.

David Imel 1:21:46 You need to keep looking at your ph- It's difficult.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:49 Yeah.

David Imel 1:21:49 It's notably very difficult.

Andrew Manganelli 1:21:51 Yeah.

David Imel 1:21:51 So we're gonna have to really try that out. What f- I found very interesting is that it's one of the three modes now, 'cause previously you had, you had f- uh, photo mode and video mode.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:00 Yeah, so it's right next to it.

David Imel 1:22:00 Now there's photo, video, and Magic Capture.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:03 Yeah.

David Imel 1:22:03 It's like-

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:03 That's the first thing I noticed when I opened my camera

David Imel 1:22:04 ... right up there

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:04 ... I was like, "Wow, a new button? What, this must be a big deal," and it's-

David Imel 1:22:06 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:07 ... just Magic Capture.

David Imel 1:22:07 Yeah. Which-

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:09 Interesting

David Imel 1:22:09 ... I think is interesting. But, um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:11 I could see it being useful for, like, uh, y- the group photo that you have to put the camera down and go on the timer, and then every time you go back and someone blinks, you just, like, throw Magic Capture on.

David Imel 1:22:20 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:20 Everyone get in and grab a frame.

David Imel 1:22:22 Or, or you have a tripod.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:24 Yeah.

David Imel 1:22:24 And you s- you frame the video first, and then you hit Magic Capture, and then you go do the thing.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:28 No. Yeah.

David Imel 1:22:29 I don't know. You wanna be in front of your daughter as she's blowing the candles out of her cake. You don't, you don't [laughs] wanna be like the Vision Pro guy-

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:35 Yeah. [laughs]

David Imel 1:22:35 ... who's, like, doing this, like, filming her. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:37 [laughs]

David Imel 1:22:38 You know? Which is incredible. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:40 Oh.

David Imel 1:22:40 That's in the moment, technically, I guess, just through a screen.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:43 Yeah.

David Imel 1:22:43 Um, so there are some uses for it. It's gonna be interesting to see if it actually works.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:48 You took it out of my mouth, though, because I was gonna say, isn't this the video?

David Imel 1:22:52 It's video, but... So it's Google Clips.

Andrew Manganelli 1:22:54 Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

David Imel 1:22:55 Um, if, if you guys don't know what this was, many years ago, Google sold a small clip-on camera. You could either just, like, put it in the corner and mount it somewhere, but the whole point was it would c- it was a little clip-on camera that you'd clip to things, and it would just record for, like, two hours or whatever, and it would just find random frames throughout the day when it noticed you were smiling or whatever, and it would send you, like, these updates of, like, "Oh, look at all these photos of you and your family having a happy time." Now I don't think we would ever put a camera-

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:25 [laughs]

David Imel 1:23:25 ... Made by Google in our, in our houses that we're constantly recording. Uh, but this is effectively what Magic Capture does, which is funny. Um, at least you are manually turning it on-

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:35 Yeah

David Imel 1:23:35 ... instead of just letting it do its thing whenever you-

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:37 Yeah

David Imel 1:23:37 ... whenever it wants.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:38 I think it sounds useful and fun. I just don't believe the live in the moment because then you're-

David Imel 1:23:45 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:45 ... just gonna get a bunch of videos of people's feet and the ground.

David Imel 1:23:48 Yeah, unless you have a tripod or something.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:49 Yeah.

David Imel 1:23:49 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:49 Or that's what you're going for.

David Imel 1:23:51 [laughs] That's, you know.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:53 Hey.

David Imel 1:23:53 Hey. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:54 To each their own.

David Imel 1:23:55 Okay.

Andrew Manganelli 1:23:55 No judgment.

David Imel 1:23:55 I have a really, really crazy what is a photo/what is a video thing for you guys.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:00 Oh, no, David.

David Imel 1:24:01 Sorry.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:02 We can't do an hour on this.

David Imel 1:24:03 We don't have to-

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:03 Timer.

David Imel 1:24:04 It-

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:04 This is a small can of worms or a medium can of worms?

David Imel 1:24:06 We can make it small for now, but you-

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:08 Okay

David Imel 1:24:08 ... I want you to chew on it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:09 Okay.

David Imel 1:24:09 And then later we'll talk about it again.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:11 Okay.

David Imel 1:24:11 All right. Okay, so they haven't... So if you remember, um, there's now a, there is a mode where you can upload your footage to the cloud, and it will do a bunch of things like upscaling it to 8K and-

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:24 Video Boost?

David Imel 1:24:24 Video Boost.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:24 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:24:25 And it makes the low, low-light video, it will, like, brighten the shadows, and do all this stuff because it has to run on Google's Tensor cores in their server centers, whatever. Um, still a really weird thing that you would do that, and it's like, I guess you're just doing it with the, the videos you want to, and it takes up a lot of storage, et cetera.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:41 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:24:42 There's a new thing in it, inside of Video Boost, called, uh, Pro Stable Video.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:47 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:24:47 And this is basically optimizing the stabilization of your video. So if you're walking, you know, you're running, whatever, it'll, it'll stabilize it, if it thinks it needs stabilization.

Andrew Manganelli 1:24:58 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:24:59 What it is actually doing [laughs] this is so crazy, is that every frame in the video it is using, uh, as information for a Gaussian splatting 3D model.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:10 Oh my God.

David Imel 1:25:10 So it builds a 3D model of the scene.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:15 Okay.

David Imel 1:25:15 And it uses every frame to then Gaussian splat the scene-

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:19 Yes

David Imel 1:25:19 ... which is a relatively new technology where you basically create 3D stuff out of 2D images, uh, based on micro camera shake and things like that because you're seeing around the pixels, et cetera.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:29 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:25:30 And, um, what it does after it creates the 3D model of your scene, it then creates a virtual camera track inside of the scene that flies the [laughs] camera through.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:41 Uh-huh.

David Imel 1:25:42 And, um, and-

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:43 Are you kidding me?

David Imel 1:25:43 I'm not kidding you. And then they told me that they actually had to add some camera shake back because it just looked like a literal drone shot-

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:52 Hmm

David Imel 1:25:52 ... and people felt uncomfortable with it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:53 [laughs] I wanna see that.

David Imel 1:25:55 So they had to, they had to add artificial camera shake-

Andrew Manganelli 1:25:57 I guess

David Imel 1:25:57 ... a little bit back to make it seem like it wasn't... So now my... Like, what's crazy is, like, because it's using your frames as reference material for the 3D model, for the whatever, you're still technically getting the same video back, but there is a 3D model of your scene that a virtual camera is flying through, and what you're getting back is-

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:18 Yeah

David Imel 1:26:18 ... kind of a 3D render of reality.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:21 Yeah, heavy, heavy mix of reality and, and interpreted things.

David Imel 1:26:25 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:26 Huh.

Speaker 1:26:26 Can, can we just appreciate that Google can take a video, 3D map every single frame-

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:33 Yeah

Speaker 1:26:33 ... create a fake camera, track you-

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:36 Yeah

Speaker 1:26:36 ... add shake back to make it look good.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:38 Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 1:26:39 And the [beep] RGB light on the back-

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:41 [laughs]

Speaker 1:26:42 ... has five colors and can only do pulse.

Andrew Manganelli 1:26:45 Yeah. And one of them is white.

Speaker 1:26:46 What planet do we live on?

David Imel 1:26:48 I know.

Speaker 1:26:50 Oh, yeah.

David Imel 1:26:50 No, this, this is just the most, like, what even is a video anymore?

Speaker 1:26:54 I don't know.

David Imel 1:26:54 Like, you're giving me a 3D ani- basi- it's almost like I'm getting a 3D animation back of the reality that I captured.

Speaker 1:27:00 Yeah. That is very Google.

David Imel 1:27:02 It's so-

Speaker 1:27:02 Okay, I will chew on that. I'm gonna try that as well.

David Imel 1:27:04 That's very-

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:04 I'm gonna pretend that never happened. [laughs]

David Imel 1:27:06 It's, uh [laughs] -

Speaker 1:27:07 That's very Google

David Imel 1:27:08 ... it's so crazy.

Marques Brownlee 1:27:08 I can't wait to see it.

David Imel 1:27:09 They said that they only-

Marques Brownlee 1:27:09 'Cause the Samsung and Apple one's already really good.

David Imel 1:27:11 Yeah. They said they only do the pro stable video when it thinks it needs it. So, you can't force it, which is annoying.

Speaker 1:27:18 Okay.

David Imel 1:27:19 So, I think you should, like, go on a run with your phone or something.

Speaker 1:27:21 I'm gonna sprint down the street, yeah.

David Imel 1:27:22 Yeah.

Speaker 1:27:22 I'm gonna try it.

David Imel 1:27:23 Yeah, we gotta, like-

Speaker 1:27:24 Wow

David Imel 1:27:24 ... force it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:25 Samsung's stabilization, though, is pretty good.

David Imel 1:27:27 Different.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:28 Yeah, it doesn't do this.

David Imel 1:27:29 Yeah, it's not very... Yeah, it's very different.

Speaker 1:27:29 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:29 You can flip your camera.

David Imel 1:27:30 Yeah.

Speaker 1:27:30 It has EIS and OIS combined, and it'll do, uh, as best as it can with the information, and it'll, like, crop in, so it has way more room to do the stabilization.

David Imel 1:27:38 Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:27:38 Yeah.

Speaker 1:27:38 But you'll see that it's-

David Imel 1:27:39 This is the most Google thing in the world.

Speaker 1:27:40 Yeah.

David Imel 1:27:41 It's like, use software to just completely eliminate the need for hardware. [laughs]

Speaker 1:27:45 Whoever thought of that was like, "How many tensor chips we got?"

David Imel 1:27:48 Yeah.

Speaker 1:27:48 "I have an idea." [laughs]

David Imel 1:27:49 Gaussian splatting is a new, uh, rapidly evolving technology. What if we just- [laughs]

Speaker 1:27:53 Yeah

David Imel 1:27:54 ... really took advantage of it?

Speaker 1:27:55 Wow.

David Imel 1:27:56 So.

Speaker 1:27:56 That's so crazy.

David Imel 1:27:57 I think that's just crazy. I just wanted to talk about that.

Speaker 1:27:59 Yeah.

David Imel 1:27:59 That's the main stuff. So-

Speaker 1:28:01 The feature, the rest of the features on the phones themselves is Android 17. So, like, you've seen this on-

David Imel 1:28:04 Yeah

Speaker 1:28:04 ... the Pixels. Like-

David Imel 1:28:05 Mm

Speaker 1:28:05 ... there's not that much stuff that I saw on the Pixel 17s-

David Imel 1:28:08 Oh

Speaker 1:28:08 ... that I tested that I was like, "Oh, this is definitely not coming to the Pixels'-

David Imel 1:28:12 Yeah

Speaker 1:28:12 ... from last year."

David Imel 1:28:13 Yeah. That's the big question and that people keep asking me about, too, 'cause there's another feature called Creator Suite that is also in the video-

Speaker 1:28:19 Yeah

David Imel 1:28:20 ... it's in the video section.

Speaker 1:28:21 It's built-in.

David Imel 1:28:21 It's built into the Pixels only right now. We'll see if it comes to Android 17 later because for some reason they added the, like, TikTok cutout reactions feature to Android.

Speaker 1:28:32 Mm-hmm.

David Imel 1:28:32 But the Creator Suite is a section in the video sec- it's a part of the video section that gives you a teleprompter. It gives you, uh, audio enhancement features. It gives you, uh, frame guides for, like, if you're doing 9 by 6, you can pick your aspect ratio.

Speaker 1:28:48 Social media-

David Imel 1:28:49 And-

Speaker 1:28:49 ... like, UI guides.

David Imel 1:28:50 Yeah.

Speaker 1:28:51 Mm.

David Imel 1:28:51 My take on this is that they were, they're trying to capture the us- the UGC crowd, which is user- user-generated content. It's the people that are, like, opening 20 boxes a day and just making, like, fake ads.

Speaker 1:29:01 Yeah.

David Imel 1:29:02 Um, that's a growing, huge amount of people-

Speaker 1:29:05 Mm

David Imel 1:29:05 ... by the way. So, I think that Google really wants to capture those people. But-

Speaker 1:29:08 Teleprompter worked pretty good, I'm not gonna lie.

David Imel 1:29:09 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:10 Yeah, it's great.

David Imel 1:29:10 Teleprompter, you just input, and you can speech-to-text whatever. You can input a couple paragraphs of whatever, and then you start recording-

Speaker 1:29:17 This is the voice

David Imel 1:29:17 ... with the feature on.

Speaker 1:29:18 Yeah.

David Imel 1:29:18 And it hears you, so it can advance the teleprompter as you speak, and it was pretty-

Speaker 1:29:22 Which is Google's bread and butter.

David Imel 1:29:23 Pretty great

Speaker 1:29:24 ... like, voice dictation-

David Imel 1:29:25 Yeah

Speaker 1:29:25 ... understanding your voice.

David Imel 1:29:26 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:29:26 Wait, we should use that for the-

David Imel 1:29:27 I was just thinking that.

Marques Brownlee 1:29:28 For the freaking-

David Imel 1:29:28 Yeah. If we were to record our ads on a Pixel-

Speaker 1:29:31 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:29:31 On a Pixel

David Imel 1:29:32 ... it would look-

Marques Brownlee 1:29:32 No, no, we'll just, we'll-

David Imel 1:29:33 ... great

Marques Brownlee 1:29:33 ... can we not just, like, put it in the, the tray of the two-way mirror and then just have it-

David Imel 1:29:38 Well-

Marques Brownlee 1:29:38 ... advance?

David Imel 1:29:39 Also-

Andrew Manganelli 1:29:39 I wonder if it would hear us from across the room

David Imel 1:29:40 ... that feature, yes, would work well.

Speaker 1:29:43 Mm.

David Imel 1:29:43 No, it'd hear you. I guess the, the idea is it's showing that text at the top of the display right under the selfie camera.

Speaker 1:29:49 Yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:29:49 Oh.

David Imel 1:29:49 So it looks like-

Speaker 1:29:50 When you're looking at it

David Imel 1:29:50 ... you're looking... It looks like you're making eye contact-

Speaker 1:29:52 Yeah

David Imel 1:29:52 ... but you're reading.

Marques Brownlee 1:29:52 Yeah, I'm gonna-

David Imel 1:29:53 So it's like a-

Marques Brownlee 1:29:53 ... I'm, I'm vibe coding this for the iPad.

David Imel 1:29:55 [laughs]

Speaker 1:29:56 I'm surpri-

Marques Brownlee 1:29:57 Yeah.

Speaker 1:29:57 It probably exists. There's probably a way to advance the teleprompter-

Marques Brownlee 1:29:59 Yeah

Speaker 1:29:59 ... based on t-talking.

Marques Brownlee 1:30:00 Yeah, I'm tired of standing up.

Speaker 1:30:01 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:02 [laughs]

Speaker 1:30:02 For those who don't know, we've been manually advancing our ads.

David Imel 1:30:05 Like everyone-

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:06 Well-

David Imel 1:30:06 ... has done since the history of time.

Speaker 1:30:07 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:30:08 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:09 The caveman manually advanced their teleprompters.

Speaker 1:30:10 This is perfect for AI. Perfect for AI.

David Imel 1:30:12 Yeah.

Speaker 1:30:13 Um-

David Imel 1:30:13 So-

Speaker 1:30:14 Yeah

David Imel 1:30:14 ... it was-

Speaker 1:30:14 Otherwise, it's, it's a Pixel.

David Imel 1:30:16 Yeah, otherwise it's Pixel. I just wanted to talk about those software features. But-

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:19 It's Pixel by the Pixel 10.

David Imel 1:30:20 The big question, the huge, huge question in the room that I f-for some reason didn't think to ask, which was really obvious, is, like, what, uh, which of these features are coming to Pixel 10, if any?

Speaker 1:30:31 Yes.

David Imel 1:30:31 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:32 Well, they're not gonna tell us.

David Imel 1:30:34 That's probably true.

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:34 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:35 What they will say is either-

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:37 If you want it now-

Marques Brownlee 1:30:37 We have no, we have no plans

Andrew Manganelli 1:30:38 ... you must crack at it by the Pixel 11.

David Imel 1:30:40 Yeah, if you want it now, Pixel 11.

Speaker 1:30:41 Or we have no plans.

David Imel 1:30:42 We have no future plans, or we do not disclose future plans.

Speaker 1:30:46 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:46 Or they'll say something like, for the messaging feature, for HiLight, they'll be like, "Eh, we will work on this."

Speaker 1:30:53 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:53 And then you'll go, "Oh, okay. When's that gonna happen?"

Speaker 1:30:56 [laughs] Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:57 We'll see.

Speaker 1:30:58 Yeah.

David Imel 1:30:59 Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I like all those features, but if they come to the Pixel 10, it's almost like-

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:04 I like them a lot more-

David Imel 1:31:05 ... what is this phone?

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:05 ... on the Pixel 10.

Speaker 1:31:06 Yeah, but does it have matte black rails?

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:07 [laughs] That's true.

Speaker 1:31:09 Just get some spray paint, Marques, it's fine.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:11 [laughs]

David Imel 1:31:12 You're gonna give up your insane battery life for matte black rails?

Speaker 1:31:15 No, I do... The OnePlus 15 is still-

David Imel 1:31:18 You can charge it 1,500 watts, it's fine.

Speaker 1:31:20 Yeah, that phone is killer.

David Imel 1:31:22 You're just charging it 2,000.

Marques Brownlee 1:31:23 OnePlus 16 in the United States.

Speaker 1:31:25 I want the OnePlus 15 with the Pixel's camera chops and some of the software features.

Marques Brownlee 1:31:33 Hm.

David Imel 1:31:34 I don't even think the Pixel has two camera.

Speaker 1:31:35 It's not gonna happen. Um, anyway.

David Imel 1:31:38 Anyway.

Speaker 1:31:38 That's never gonna happen, so [laughs]

David Imel 1:31:39 Yeah

Speaker 1:31:40 ... I think we should go right to the end,

Speaker 1:31:42 which is our last segment.

David Imel 1:31:45 Trivia.

Speaker 1:31:45 Trivia.

Marques Brownlee 1:31:45 My laptop was muted.

David Imel 1:31:47 Do it again. [upbeat music] We're back. We're so back. I'm never gonna forget this podcast.

Andrew Manganelli 1:31:56 [laughs]

David Imel 1:31:57 This is crazy.

Marques Brownlee 1:31:58 Question number one, Trevor Noah was surprised by Liverpool legend Steven Gerrard. But before Mr. Gerrard came out, Trevor wondered if it was actually him or a Gemini speaking in what regional English accents? [pensive music]

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:14 Wait, are we shouting this?

Speaker 1:32:15 Are we getting out?

David Imel 1:32:16 So it's-

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:16 Oh, yeah. Wait, wait.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:17 [laughs]

David Imel 1:32:19 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:20 Do we wanna- [laughs]

David Imel 1:32:22 Liverpoolese.

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:23 Hold on.

Speaker 1:32:25 We could slog.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:27 Do we want to do a, a rapid or, or do we wanna Slack it to me?

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:32 I think-

Speaker 1:32:32 I think that's the whiteboard

Marques Brownlee 1:32:33 I think you're the only one that knows the answer, Marques.

Speaker 1:32:35 Really?

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:36 He knows the answer?

Speaker 1:32:37 I might know the answer. I-

Marques Brownlee 1:32:38 How, how confident do you feel, David? How confident do you feel, Andrew? Are you gonna say cockney?

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:42 I'm... No, I'm starting to worry it's not a British accent. [laughs]

Speaker 1:32:47 What are you gonna say?

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:48 I don't know.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:49 Wait, can we Slack it?

Speaker 1:32:49 David, are you gonna submit an answer?

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:51 Uh...

Marques Brownlee 1:32:52 All right. Andrew and Marques, on three say what you're thinking. One, two, three.

Speaker 1:32:56 Liverpool.

Andrew Manganelli 1:32:56 Welsh.

Marques Brownlee 1:32:58 Neither of you said it.

Speaker 1:32:58 [laughs] Dang.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:00 Were they reasonable-

Marques Brownlee 1:33:02 Wait, Andrew, what did you say?

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:03 Welsh.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:03 No. Uh, you're closer. I think-

Speaker 1:33:07 Counts, points

Marques Brownlee 1:33:08 ... I think this accent derives s- from a Welsh accent, but it is not Welsh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:13 Would Welsh people be really mad that I said that?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:15 Uh-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:15 Or would Liverpool people be really mad that I said that?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:18 I don't know enough about-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:19 Would Trevor Noah be really mad that I said that?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:21 ... Eng- I don't think so. Um-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:24 Okay. With the football

Marques Brownlee 1:33:24 ... Marques, you said-

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:25 That's it. That's all I care about

Speaker 1:33:26 I said Gaelic.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:27 No, that is not correct.

Speaker 1:33:28 Oh, yeah.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:28 Um, Gaelic is a whole language that is not English.

Speaker 1:33:31 Yeah, whoops.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:32 Um, David, do you wanna just throw something out there, man?

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:35 He did.

Speaker 1:33:36 Liverpoolese?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:37 Uh, that is technically correct, although not the word I was looking for. The word I was looking for-

Speaker 1:33:42 Wait, really?

Marques Brownlee 1:33:42 ... was Scouse.

Speaker 1:33:45 Hmm.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:46 Yeah, you know, Scouse.

Speaker 1:33:47 I...

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:48 He said that?

Speaker 1:33:48 I have heard that.

Marques Brownlee 1:33:49 I said that in the event. He said, "Is that Steven, is that Liverpool legend Steven Gerrard, or is that Gemini speaking with a Scouse accent?"

Speaker 1:33:56 Huh. I think I'm gonna get the next one right.

Andrew Manganelli 1:33:58 I told you we would learn something new. [laughs]

Marques Brownlee 1:34:00 All right, question number two.

Speaker 1:34:01 Yeah.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:02 Uh, HTC had a case that would cover the screen of their phone and show you little notification graphics and stuff underneath. What was it called?

Speaker 1:34:11 Should we yell it out?

Marques Brownlee 1:34:12 I think-

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:12 No, Slack it to me, because I don't like it-

Marques Brownlee 1:34:14 Slack it to you?

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:14 ... when you all yell, 'cause I can't hear.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:16 Okay. Sorry.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:17 No, it's-

Speaker 1:34:17 Slack it to Ellis or Adam.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:20 Me.

Speaker 1:34:20 Um...

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:23 Also, there's no way to, like, if I have you guys do it one at a time, then-

Speaker 1:34:26 Yeah

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:26 ... it kinda defeats the purpose.

Speaker 1:34:28 I think it's that, but I... I'm pretty sure I'm right. I think I'm right.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:33 All right.

Speaker 1:34:35 Ugh.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:35 Let's go around the room. David, what did you say?

Speaker 1:34:37 Dot Matrix.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:39 Dot Matrix. Andrew? I wrote Quick Dots. Quick Dots. Okay.

Speaker 1:34:45 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:45 And I only wrote dots 'cause Marques said dots.

Speaker 1:34:47 I wrote Dot Matrix.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:48 Dot Matrix.

Speaker 1:34:49 That's definitely it.

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:49 The answer is Dot View.

Speaker 1:34:53 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:53 Really?

Speaker 1:34:54 Oh, Dot View?

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:55 Dot View.

Speaker 1:34:55 So was that the name of the tech-

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:56 Very close

Speaker 1:34:56 ... but it was a Dot Matrix case?

Andrew Manganelli 1:34:57 I believe so, yes.

Marques Brownlee 1:34:58 Oh, the case was called the Dot Matrix case.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:00 The case itself was the Dot Matrix.

Speaker 1:35:01 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:02 I, I knew that.

Speaker 1:35:03 Oh.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:03 That's why I thought...

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:04 Well, no one got any points.

Speaker 1:35:05 If you just Dot View.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:06 Well...

Speaker 1:35:06 Dot View?

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:06 Marques still with one, Andrew with three-

Speaker 1:35:09 Ugh. [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:09 ... David with three.

Speaker 1:35:10 Marques' video-

Marques Brownlee 1:35:10 I thought it was like-

Speaker 1:35:10 ... on this is really short.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:12 This is a four-minute Marques video.

Speaker 1:35:13 Yeah, well, it was just a-

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:14 It was-

Speaker 1:35:14 ... case, you know?

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:15 Oh, the Dot View case. It was a feature of the Dot Matrix?

Speaker 1:35:18 It was, by the way, this is-

Marques Brownlee 1:35:19 That's one of them

Speaker 1:35:20 ... that is the-

Marques Brownlee 1:35:21 [laughs]

Speaker 1:35:23 ... one of the first like, three videos I ever shot on a Red camera.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:26 Really?

Marques Brownlee 1:35:27 Wow.

Speaker 1:35:27 I think it's actually the first one I ever shot on a Red camera, because it was a rented Red Scarlett.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:34 Whoa.

Speaker 1:35:34 And it was-

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:34 Oh

Speaker 1:35:34 ... the first video I ever published in, in real 4K, first video ever shot in raw, first video ever shot in Spain, and first video ever shot in Mobile World Congress.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:44 Wait, this is cool.

Speaker 1:35:45 Yeah, remember, it is cool.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:46 Sorry, gotta stop and fix my camera.

Speaker 1:35:46 No, no, no. Sorry, sorry, sorry. That's not in Spain. That case I shot in my college, um, I first got it in Spain-

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:53 Mm

Speaker 1:35:53 ... and brought it back to my apartment.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:55 Oh.

Speaker 1:35:55 So it was on the Red, but it was not in Spain.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:57 It is Dot View, by the way.

Speaker 1:35:58 It's Dot View.

Andrew Manganelli 1:35:58 Dot View, yeah.

Speaker 1:35:59 Okay.

Marques Brownlee 1:35:59 This is sick as hell.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:01 Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 1:36:01 Yeah, right? And if you managed to screen record what was happening on the screen, it was just a bunch of blobs.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:06 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:36:07 But it was, it was a really clever feature. Anyway.

Marques Brownlee 1:36:09 Wait, why... The phones...

Speaker 1:36:11 Phones used to be cool.

Marques Brownlee 1:36:12 Dude-

Speaker 1:36:13 Yeah

Marques Brownlee 1:36:13 ... we've gotten so far backwards. It can't do Red. [laughs]

Speaker 1:36:16 [laughs] And that is the end of the podcast.

Marques Brownlee 1:36:20 [laughs]

Speaker 1:36:21 Thank you for watching. Obviously, stay tuned and get subscribed if you haven't already, because the reason we are in this hotel room is because we shot this crazy other podcast that is in the works, so stay tuned for it. It's amazing. I can't overpromise, but I, I really think it's amazing.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:33 He's overpromising.

Speaker 1:36:34 It's so good.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:34 [laughs]

Speaker 1:36:35 Um, but, uh, yeah. We'll otherwise catch you very soon in our regularly scheduled programming, so see you then.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:43 My head hurts.

Speaker 1:36:44 Peace.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:45 Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Eclipse Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media-

Speaker 1:36:48 [laughs]

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:48 ... Podcast Network, and our intro, outro music was created by Van Sill.

Speaker 1:36:51 Eclipse.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:52 Cannot be a point.

Marques Brownlee 1:36:53 And Brandon Hovard.

Speaker 1:36:54 Oh, yeah, and Brandon Hovard.

Marques Brownlee 1:36:55 Brandon Hovard's behind the camera.

Speaker 1:36:56 Oh, yeah. Turn the camera around, Brandon.

Andrew Manganelli 1:36:59 Yeah.

Speaker 1:36:59 [laughs] Turn the camera around. [upbeat music]

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:10 I can do all of David's talk in one.

Marques Brownlee 1:37:12 There's, I have a picture.

Andrew Manganelli 1:37:12 Camera look worse but better?