Mag 7 sell-off, Wiz rejects Google, UBI, Kamala in, China's nuclear buildout, Sacks responds to PG

Mag 7 sell-off, Wiz rejects Google, UBI, Kamala in, China's nuclear buildout, Sacks responds to PG

All-In PodcastJul 26, 20241h 39m

Jason Calacanis (host), Chamath Palihapitiya (host), David Sacks (host), Narrator, David Friedberg (host), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Narrator

Wiz rejecting Google’s $23B acquisition offer and implications for cloud/securityGoogle Cloud’s growth, broader cloud market dynamics, and CrowdStrike’s outageMarket volatility, Magnificent 7 rotation, and consumer/credit-cycle concernsSam Altman’s UBI study results and the panel’s critique of universal basic incomeRupert Murdoch succession fight and pitfalls of family-controlled media empiresBiden’s withdrawal, Kamala Harris’s fast-track nomination, VP choices, and antisemitism concernsPaul Graham vs. David Sacks / Zenefits saga, and China’s Gen-4 nuclear buildout

In this episode of All-In Podcast, featuring Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya, Mag 7 sell-off, Wiz rejects Google, UBI, Kamala in, China's nuclear buildout, Sacks responds to PG explores markets, UBI, Kamala, China’s Nukes: All-In’s Volatile Week Recapped The besties open with tech news around Wiz’s rejected $23B Google offer, Google Cloud’s surge, and CrowdStrike’s disastrous outage, then zoom out to broader market jitters and rotation out of the ‘Magnificent 7.’

Markets, UBI, Kamala, China’s Nukes: All-In’s Volatile Week Recapped

The besties open with tech news around Wiz’s rejected $23B Google offer, Google Cloud’s surge, and CrowdStrike’s disastrous outage, then zoom out to broader market jitters and rotation out of the ‘Magnificent 7.’

They dissect Sam Altman’s universal basic income (UBI) experiment, arguing cash transfers don’t sustainably improve lives and may even demotivate work compared with targeted, opportunity-creating support.

On politics, they unpack Biden’s exit, Kamala Harris’s near-instant elevation as Democratic nominee, VP calculus (Shapiro, Kelly, Cooper), and rising antisemitism, especially around the idea that a Jewish VP might be a ‘liability.’

The episode closes with Sacks’s detailed response to Paul Graham’s public attacks over Zenefits, and a substantial ‘Science Corner’ on China’s aggressive, low-cost nuclear buildout and the strategic threat it poses to U.S. industrial and AI competitiveness.

Key Takeaways

Wiz’s IPO Path Signals Confidence in Hypergrowth Cybersecurity, Not Just Deal Risk

Wiz turned down Google’s ~$23B acquisition (roughly 50x current ARR and ~23x forward) despite being valued at $12B last round and doing ~$500M ARR. ...

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Cloud and Security: Google Must Buy to Compete, While CrowdStrike Shows Systemic Fragility

GCP is now a $40B run-rate business with $1. ...

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Market Jitters Reflect Rotation and Political Volatility, Not Just Fundamentals

A sharp one-day selloff (NASDAQ -3. ...

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Altman’s UBI Trial Suggests Cash Alone Doesn’t Fix Poverty or Purpose

In Altman’s UBI study (1,000 low-income adults given $1,000/month for 3 years vs. ...

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They Favor Opportunity Infrastructure Over UBI: Work, Skills, and Retirement Security

All four argue humans need work, purpose, and pressure — citing their own immigrant/up-from-poverty stories and ‘entry-level’ jobs (dishwasher, bartender, Burger King) as formative. ...

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Biden’s Exit and Kamala’s Fast-Track Reveal How Undemocratic the Nomination System Is

Biden went from declaring ‘even God Almighty’ couldn’t push him out to exiting within days, reportedly under intense pressure from party leaders like Pelosi. ...

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China’s Gen-4 Nuclear Surge Threatens U.S. Industrial and AI Leadership

Friedberg’s Science Corner highlights China’s massive push: from ~3 TW of capacity today to ~8. ...

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Notable Quotes

Either the buyer pays way too much, or the seller sells way too early.

David Friedberg (quoting Peter Thiel and applying to Wiz)

In the absence of purpose and community... it just doesn’t meaningfully shift any of these curves that really matter.

Chamath Palihapitiya (on why UBI doesn’t change long-term wellbeing)

If you just hand people money without having to work, it doesn’t motivate them to work harder. It actually motivates them to do less.

David Sacks (on behavioral effects of UBI and cash transfers)

The closest thing to leisure in modern society is the nepo baby. And if you look at the nepo baby, they’re the most miserable group of people I’ve ever met.

Chamath Palihapitiya

China has more electricity production, it’s cheaper to make electricity, and it’s cheaper to build new capacity. This is a massive long-term competitive point.

David Friedberg (on China’s nuclear and power edge)

Questions Answered in This Episode

On Wiz’s decision to reject Google’s $23B offer, what concrete growth, margin, and competitive assumptions would have to be true over the next 5–10 years for that to be a rational choice versus de-risking with a sale now?

The besties open with tech news around Wiz’s rejected $23B Google offer, Google Cloud’s surge, and CrowdStrike’s disastrous outage, then zoom out to broader market jitters and rotation out of the ‘Magnificent 7.’

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If China can build Gen-4 nuclear capacity at 5–10x lower cost than the U.S., what specific regulatory and permitting reforms would you prioritize on day one of a new administration to close that gap without compromising safety?

They dissect Sam Altman’s universal basic income (UBI) experiment, arguing cash transfers don’t sustainably improve lives and may even demotivate work compared with targeted, opportunity-creating support.

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The UBI study showed control-group incomes rose more than the UBI group’s; what mechanisms do you think drove that counterintuitive result, and how might a redesigned program (e.g., conditional or investment-tied cash) change the outcome?

On politics, they unpack Biden’s exit, Kamala Harris’s near-instant elevation as Democratic nominee, VP calculus (Shapiro, Kelly, Cooper), and rising antisemitism, especially around the idea that a Jewish VP might be a ‘liability.’

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Given how quickly Democratic delegates snapped into line behind Kamala Harris after Biden’s withdrawal, do you think either party should reform its nomination rules to allow for more genuine competition in cases of incumbent collapse, or is elite-driven stability actually preferable?

The episode closes with Sacks’s detailed response to Paul Graham’s public attacks over Zenefits, and a substantial ‘Science Corner’ on China’s aggressive, low-cost nuclear buildout and the strategic threat it poses to U. ...

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In the Zenefits/Paul Graham dispute, what governance and transparency practices would you recommend for founders and boards to prevent a single charismatic narrative—on either side—from rewriting the history of a regulatory crisis years later?

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Jason Calacanis

Oh, no. Gosh, I'm having some technical difficulties, Friedberg. There's something happening.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Oh, you got a bit? Oh, there's a bit coming-

Jason Calacanis

Something's breaking in.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Oh, what's happening?

Jason Calacanis

Oh, no. My camera is not working, but I sense something is happening, guys. (object thuds) It's like a transformation I'm going through. You're not gonna believe it. Yes, this is I, Nushra Kanis, I am here.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

David Sacks

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

I'm here, Nushra Kanis has arrived.

David Sacks

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

I have predicted the hot swap, Sax. Can I get my flowers now from you, Sax? You s- you need to bring me-

David Sacks

Yeah, I give you... I absolutely give you credit for that. You also predicted a speed run primary, which is the opposite-

Jason Calacanis

(laughs)

David Sacks

... of what happened.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Okay, well-

David Sacks

So one out of two is not bad though.

Jason Calacanis

Nushra Kanis did not account for the Democratic Party being run by the Deep State, huh?

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

David Sacks

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

But, uh, I'm having a vision. Producer Nick, there is a vision for you, coming in to view. Yes. Your uncle has been bought out of the All-In podcast that's going full MAGA.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

David Sacks

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

And he, he got the $25 million buyout deal and he gave you 20%. We're leaving, we're going to start a new podcast and Jared Kushner is the new moderator here.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Oh no, wait, it's J.D. Va... No, it's Alex Jones.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Starting next week, Alex Jones, the new host.

Narrator

I'm going all in.

Jason Calacanis

Oh wait, I'm going away. Nusra Kanis is being pulled away.

Narrator

I'm going all in. Don't let your winners ride.

Jason Calacanis

Rain Man, David Sacks.

Narrator

I'm going all in. And I said- We open source it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it.

Jason Calacanis

Love you, bestie.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Nice meeting you.

Narrator

Queen of Quinoa. I'm going all in.

Jason Calacanis

All right, let's get started here. We've got a full docket. We've got civil wars. Everything is going down in All-In land. It is episode 189. You're not done with us yet, folks. The world's number one podcast is still publishing. The world is still spinning.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Hey, did you announce that you're, you've moved to Texas?

Jason Calacanis

I did, I did. I, I did a little tweet. I, uh, we moved to Austin a little earlier this year. We have a horse ranch and, um, you know, we've always wanted to move to Austin. We looked during the pandemic, thanks for asking, Chamath, and we wanted to have a ranch and horses and live a, a more homesteading lifestyle. And obviously a lot of our friends are in Austin, so I'll still be spending a lot of time in the valley in New York like I always do, and Miami, but the home base and the girls are going to school in, in Austin.

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