GPT-4o launches, Glue demo, Ohalo breakthrough, Druck's Argentina bet, did Google kill Perplexity?

GPT-4o launches, Glue demo, Ohalo breakthrough, Druck's Argentina bet, did Google kill Perplexity?

All-In PodcastMay 17, 20241h 41m

Jason Calacanis (host), Narrator, David Sacks (host), Chamath Palihapitiya (host), David Friedberg (host), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Stanley Druckenmiller (guest), Guest (guest), Jason Calacanis (host)

OpenAI GPT‑4o (Omni) launch and implications for AI appsGlue: AI‑native enterprise chat and the future of workplace toolsOhalo’s ‘boosted breeding’ and global agriculture/food securityGoogle Gemini, AI Overviews, and impact on search and publishersDruckenmiller’s Argentina/Milei bet and U.S. fiscal policyDeflationary effects of AI on startups, work, and company structureMonopolies, failed products, and how big tech survives missing waves

In this episode of All-In Podcast, featuring Jason Calacanis and Narrator, GPT-4o launches, Glue demo, Ohalo breakthrough, Druck's Argentina bet, did Google kill Perplexity? explores aI Upheaval, Super-Potatoes, and Argentina’s Radical Free-Market Bet Explained This episode of the All‑In Podcast dives into OpenAI’s GPT‑4o launch, Google’s Gemini search overhaul, and how these shifts will remake software, work, and startups. David Sacks demos Glue, his ‘AI‑native’ Slack replacement, while David Friedberg unveils Ohalo’s breakthrough ‘boosted breeding’ technology that dramatically increases crop yields. The besties also dissect Stanley Druckenmiller’s big bet on Argentina under libertarian president Javier Milei and the macro stakes of U.S. deficit spending. Threaded through is a discussion of how AI is collapsing costs, obsoleting startups, and forcing founders to rethink where model innovation ends and product value begins.

AI Upheaval, Super-Potatoes, and Argentina’s Radical Free-Market Bet Explained

This episode of the All‑In Podcast dives into OpenAI’s GPT‑4o launch, Google’s Gemini search overhaul, and how these shifts will remake software, work, and startups. David Sacks demos Glue, his ‘AI‑native’ Slack replacement, while David Friedberg unveils Ohalo’s breakthrough ‘boosted breeding’ technology that dramatically increases crop yields. The besties also dissect Stanley Druckenmiller’s big bet on Argentina under libertarian president Javier Milei and the macro stakes of U.S. deficit spending. Threaded through is a discussion of how AI is collapsing costs, obsoleting startups, and forcing founders to rethink where model innovation ends and product value begins.

Key Takeaways

GPT‑4o signals a shift from monolithic models to continuously updated multimodal systems.

Friedberg explains that we’re moving away from massive, infrequently released models toward systems of smaller, specialized models stitched together (math, images, video, etc. ...

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Founders must ruthlessly decide where AI model progress ends and their product’s defensible value begins.

Sacks warns that many startups spent years building ‘AI customer support agents’ only to see GPT‑4o instantly outclass their conversational quality and speed, wiping out hundreds of millions in R&D. ...

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Glue exemplifies ‘AI‑native’ enterprise software by rethinking the core object of communication, not just adding a bot.

Glue replaces Slack-style channels with topic-based threads—mirroring how ChatGPT organizes chats—so people subscribe to the conversation they care about instead of noisy rooms. ...

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Ohalo’s ‘boosted breeding’ could massively increase crop yields and shift where food can be grown globally.

Friedberg unveils a five‑year, ~$50M R&D effort: by applying proteins that switch off the genetic ‘halving’ process during plant reproduction, parent plants each pass 100% of their DNA to offspring, doubling chromosome sets (polyploidy) in a controlled way. ...

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AI and globalized talent are driving a deep deflation in startup and operating costs, changing company design.

The besties note that the same startup that needed $3M to build a product five years ago can now plausibly do it with $500K. ...

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Google’s Gemini-powered AI Overviews likely secures search economics for Google, but threatens the open web.

Google’s new ‘AI Overviews’ essentially replicate Perplexity’s answer-plus-citations format directly in Google Search, with targeted ads layered on top. ...

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Druckenmiller’s Argentina bet highlights the power—and political rarity—of radical fiscal discipline.

Stanley Druckenmiller saw Javier Milei’s Davos speech, asked Perplexity for the most liquid Argentinian ADRs, bought all of them on the spot, and sized up further after diligence. ...

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Notable Quotes

If you're an app developer, the key thing to understand is where does model innovation end and your innovation begin? Because if you get that wrong, you'll end up doing a bunch of stuff that the model will just obsolete in a few months.

David Sacks

We finally got it to work, and the data is ridiculous. The yield on some of these plants goes up by 50 to 100 percent or more.

David Friedberg

With our system, we took potatoes that made 33 grams and 9 grams, and the boosted offspring made 682 grams. The yield gain was insane.

David Friedberg

The power of your monopoly determines how many mistakes you get to make… Google completely screwed up AI… doesn’t matter. Their monopoly is so strong they can finally get it right by copying the innovator.

David Sacks

Social networks had Friendster, then MySpace, then Facebook. I think the ‘Facebook of AI’ has yet to be created.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Questions Answered in This Episode

For Friedberg: How will Ohalo practically navigate regulatory approval, farmer adoption, and public perception for boosted potatoes and other staple crops, especially in markets that are skeptical of GMO-like technologies?

This episode of the All‑In Podcast dives into OpenAI’s GPT‑4o launch, Google’s Gemini search overhaul, and how these shifts will remake software, work, and startups. ...

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For Sacks: In Glue, how do you decide what AI behaviors to make ‘promptless’ versus user-invoked, and what early failures have you seen when AI tries to jump into conversations unasked?

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For Chamath: You argued the ‘Facebook of AI’ hasn’t been built yet—what specific product characteristics or moat would convince you that a given AI company actually deserves that title?

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For the group: If Google’s AI Overviews do cannibalize a large portion of publisher traffic, what concrete revenue-sharing or licensing model would you design so that high-quality content creation remains economically viable?

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For JCal: With Athena and AI assistants reshaping knowledge work, how should an ambitious 25-year-old decide what skills to invest in so they’re not just ‘80/90ed’ but actually become the person designing those systems?

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Jason Calacanis

All right, everybody. Welcome to your favorite podcast and the world's number one podcast, the All-In Podcast. It's episode 1,790. Oh, wait. That's just how it feels. (laughs) Welcome to episode 1,790. Uh, with me today, of course, is your sultan of science. I don't know if that's a movie background or it's just his favorite vegetables. What's going on there? What's the crop?

Narrator

That's AI generated.

Jason Calacanis

It's AI generated crop? Okay, great.

Narrator

I'm trying AI backgrounds. I'm gonna try it out for a while with different crops.

Jason Calacanis

All right. Your fans are gonna be crushed that you're not doing deep movie polls. With us, of course, man about town, DC, new products being launched, David Sacks, the rain man. Yeah, how you doing, buddy?

David Sacks

Good. Good. Yeah, good week. Lots going on.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah.

Narrator

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, definitely a good week. Chamath Palihapitiya, chairman dictator. He puts the in chairman in dictator.

Chamath Palihapitiya

I would like to take this opportunity-

Jason Calacanis

Oh.

Chamath Palihapitiya

... to wish my child a happy birthday.

Jason Calacanis

Aw.

Chamath Palihapitiya

I absolutely (beep) love you.

Jason Calacanis

Aw.

David Sacks

Well, now the rest of us look like (beep)

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, great.

David Sacks

I've never done that before. (laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Sacks, in your desk-

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

David Sacks

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

In your desk is a piece of paper with your children's names and their birthdays. Do you wanna pull it out and see?

David Sacks

I've got three birthdays a year and I've never done one.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

(laughs)

Narrator

(upbeat music) Don't let your winners ride.

Jason Calacanis

Rain man, David Sacks.

Narrator

I'm going all in. And I said- We open sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Love you, man.

Jason Calacanis

Queen of quinoa.

Narrator

I'm going all in.

Chamath Palihapitiya

No, no, no. But I'm saying it rarely lands on the same day.

Narrator

(laughs)

Chamath Palihapitiya

Today is the day.

David Sacks

Oh, okay.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Today is the day.

Narrator

Today is the day?

Chamath Palihapitiya

Today is the day.

Narrator

Okay, good.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Today is the day.

Narrator

Congra- congratulations, child.

Jason Calacanis

Con- oh, congratulations.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Yeah.

Narrator

How old, Chamath?

Chamath Palihapitiya

No gender name or any other specifications, folks.

Narrator

Yeah.

Chamath Palihapitiya

We can't-

Jason Calacanis

No.

Chamath Palihapitiya

... we can't tip anybody off. No pronouns. No pronouns.

Jason Calacanis

Can't tip anybody.

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

Uh, yes. Absolutely. So how are they fam experiencing their birthday?

Chamath Palihapitiya

This child has experienced a wonderful life, and this child is an incredible person-

Jason Calacanis

Hmm.

Chamath Palihapitiya

... for whom I have tremendous admiration and love and compassion and hope for the future.

Jason Calacanis

All right. And did you order them some chicken fingers? (laughs)

Chamath Palihapitiya

(laughs) I cannot comment on who this person is.

Narrator

(laughs)

Jason Calacanis

(laughs) Chicken fingers. Are y- are you talking, of course, about Phil Hellmuth? (laughs) Your child, Phil Hellmuth?

Chamath Palihapitiya

Can we please talk about last weekend's festivities in Vegas?

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