E14: Salesforce acquires Slack, DeepMind’s AlphaFold breakthrough, Trust Fund Socialists & more
Jason Calacanis (host), Chamath Palihapitiya (host), David Friedberg (host), David Sacks (host), David Sacks (host), David Friedberg (host), Chamath Palihapitiya (host)
In this episode of All-In Podcast, featuring Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya, E14: Salesforce acquires Slack, DeepMind’s AlphaFold breakthrough, Trust Fund Socialists & more explores slack’s sale, AI’s protein leap, and capitalism’s culture war The episode covers Salesforce’s $27.7B acquisition of Slack, analyzing why Slack sold, what Salesforce really bought, and how enterprise sales strategy and network effects shaped the outcome.
Slack’s sale, AI’s protein leap, and capitalism’s culture war
The episode covers Salesforce’s $27.7B acquisition of Slack, analyzing why Slack sold, what Salesforce really bought, and how enterprise sales strategy and network effects shaped the outcome.
They then dive into DeepMind’s AlphaFold breakthrough, explaining protein folding, why this unlocks a new era in drug discovery and biotech, and the dual-use risks for powerful biological tools.
The conversation shifts to U.S. politics: Trump’s post-election behavior, Georgia Senate runoffs, Section 230, pardons, and Biden’s centrist, low-drama transition strategy.
They close with a critique of ‘trust fund socialists’ and a New York Times hit piece on Coinbase, defending capitalism’s track record and arguing for apolitical workplaces while mocking media virtue signaling.
Key Takeaways
Slack’s biggest strategic miss was delaying a serious enterprise sales motion.
The hosts argue Slack’s product-led, bottom-up growth needed to be paired earlier with aggressive, top-down enterprise sales to close large deals and defend against Microsoft, which might have allowed Slack to remain independent and much larger.
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Salesforce bought Slack’s inter-company network effects, not just chat software.
Chamath emphasizes Slack’s ‘inter-company edges’—cross-company channels that substitute for email—as a unique network effect that can make Slack the login and communication layer across an entire enterprise when combined with Salesforce’s distribution.
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AlphaFold turns protein structure prediction from an intractable science problem into a software problem.
Friedberg explains that by learning to predict 3D protein shapes from amino acid sequences with near-experimental accuracy, AlphaFold enables rational protein design—potentially transforming medicine, materials, climate solutions, and food systems.
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Powerful biological tools will drive both massive innovation and massive biodefense needs.
The group notes that AI-driven protein design can create revolutionary therapies and environmental tech, but also novel bioweapons; they predict biodefense will become one of the largest industries later this century as biology becomes ‘democratized.’
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Biden’s calm, centrist strategy is tactically weakening the far left and reassuring moderates.
Sacks argues Biden’s establishment cabinet picks, restraint on court-packing, and refusal to pursue criminal charges against Trump help him avoid being painted as radical, while sidelining progressive figures that could hurt Democrats in swing races.
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Moral outrage at capitalism often ignores how value and prosperity are actually created.
The hosts criticize ‘trust fund socialist’ heirs who condemn their own wealth, arguing capitalism has massively increased global production, reduced poverty, and finances breakthroughs like AlphaFold—while critics enjoy those benefits and virtue signal.
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Tech companies can fight back against hostile media narratives by preempting them.
They praise Coinbase’s decision to front-run a New York Times ‘hit piece’ with its own blog post, reframing the story, rallying support in the tech community, and blunting the impact—while defending its right to enforce an apolitical workplace.
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Notable Quotes
“Nobody ever got rich in their seventh‑best idea.”
— Chamath Palihapitiya (quoting Warren Buffett)
“My biggest mistake as an investor has not been the losers, it’s been selling the winners prematurely.”
— David Sacks
“This is literally dollars and pennies to make proteins. Any high school biology class can do this now.”
— David Friedberg
“If you want democracy, the only economic philosophy that’s been partnered with democracy to work well is capitalism.”
— Chamath Palihapitiya
“The way capitalism works, you only get rich by selling something to somebody that they want that makes their life better.”
— David Sacks
Questions Answered in This Episode
If Slack had fully embraced enterprise sales earlier, how might the competitive landscape with Microsoft Teams and Zoom look different today?
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What concrete near-term applications of AlphaFold do you expect to see first in medicine or industry, and who is best positioned to commercialize them?
They then dive into DeepMind’s AlphaFold breakthrough, explaining protein folding, why this unlocks a new era in drug discovery and biotech, and the dual-use risks for powerful biological tools.
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How should governments balance the openness needed for scientific progress in AI-driven biology with the risks of enabling low-cost bioweapons?
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Is there a viable middle ground between ‘apolitical workplaces’ and fully activist companies, and what governance structures would that require?
They close with a critique of ‘trust fund socialists’ and a New York Times hit piece on Coinbase, defending capitalism’s track record and arguing for apolitical workplaces while mocking media virtue signaling.
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For wealthy founders and heirs who are uneasy about inequality, what are the most effective ways to deploy capital without simply virtue signaling or destroying incentives?
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Okay. Besties are back. Besties are back. Going around the horn. Rain Man David Sachs calling in from an undisclosed location, suffering through two code 13s in one lifetime.
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And David Friedberg is here, the queen of quinoa, spacking everything in sight, living the life, calling in from a nondescript Ritz-Carlton room-
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... it appears to be. And of course, the dictator himself, Chamath Palihapitiya-
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... cackling like a fool. Welcome back everybody. This is what you pay for with your subscription to the All-In Podcast, brought to you by Slack.
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Uh, if you didn't own Slack shares (laughs) raise your hand. (laughs)
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It's been an incredible, uh, week, um, on a number of levels. We're gonna talk this week about, uh, Salesforce buying Slack, Trump and Section 230, uh, the Coinbase, the ongoing Coinbase saga. Uh, Friedberg found some interesting science that could save humanity. And of course, the trust fund socialists in The New York Times (laughs) who hate their parents for giving them money. Uh, let's start off with-
Can we... Let's start with off the most important thing. W- what is that shirt, undershirt combo you're wearing? I mean, look-
It's just...
It's... You have buttons on buttons. It's actually incredible.
Is that the... Did I break the layering rule?
Uh, you can't, you can't Explain to us. If you're gonna layer properly, you can have only one layer of buttons. But to have two layers of buttons, it's-
Th- that's not how it works?
No. J- j- J Cal went in and got an almond-
I don't know. Layers are for players, not me.
He, he, he-
No, he got like an almond milk cappuccino and he's like, "I like how that barista dresses and I'm gonna wear that from now on."
(laughs)
And he's like...
Wait a second. Can I ask a technical question? Can, can I have buttons? I can't have buttons on buttons, but can I have buttons and then a zipper up like with the...
No, you can't do that either. Um, listen, he- Chamath- Chamath has had a weird aversion to buttons ever since he spent-
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... that time in Italy.
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Did you... Was he button shamed in Italy?
I m- I was n- I was a little button shamed, but I'm looking at Sachs has buttons on his collars, which just makes no sense to me.
Sachs is wearing the same Brooks Brothers shirt that he graduated high school in.
(laughs)
Uh, th- at Brooks... He owns 17% of Brooks Brothers at this point from the number of blazers he's bought there. All right. Let's get off to it. We've insulted each other. I don't think Friedberg's taken the brunt of anything yet. Anybody have any, uh, chop busting they wanna do with Friedberg or is that just-
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