How Nature & Other Physical Environments Impact Your Focus, Cognition & Health | Dr. Marc Berman

How Nature & Other Physical Environments Impact Your Focus, Cognition & Health | Dr. Marc Berman

Huberman LabJul 14, 20252h 11m

Andrew Huberman (host), Marc Berman (guest)

Directed vs. involuntary attention and attentional fatigueAttention Restoration Theory and ‘soft fascination’ in natureLaboratory and field studies on nature walks, images, and soundsFractals, visual compression, and why natural scenes are easier on the brainNature, rumination, depression, and impulse controlUrban design, trees, health outcomes, and biophilic architectureActionable protocols: daily/weekly nature exposure for focus and health

In this episode of Huberman Lab, featuring Andrew Huberman and Marc Berman, How Nature & Other Physical Environments Impact Your Focus, Cognition & Health | Dr. Marc Berman explores daily Nature Doses Restore Focus, Curb Stress, Transform Brain And Health Andrew Huberman and environmental neuroscientist Dr. Marc Berman unpack how physical environments—especially natural ones—directly shape attention, mood, cognition, and physical health. They distinguish between ‘directed attention’ (effortful, limited, easily fatigued) and ‘involuntary attention’ (effortless, automatically captured), arguing that modern digital life chronically depletes the former. Berman presents decades of research showing that even modest, brief exposure to nature—walks, views, sounds, images—can restore attention, improve working memory by ~20%, reduce rumination, and correlate with lower rates of stroke, heart disease, and diabetes. They outline practical, science-based protocols for incorporating “microdoses” of nature into daily life and advocate redesigning homes, schools, cities, and work schedules to treat nature not as a luxury amenity, but as a cognitive and health necessity.

Daily Nature Doses Restore Focus, Curb Stress, Transform Brain And Health

Andrew Huberman and environmental neuroscientist Dr. Marc Berman unpack how physical environments—especially natural ones—directly shape attention, mood, cognition, and physical health. They distinguish between ‘directed attention’ (effortful, limited, easily fatigued) and ‘involuntary attention’ (effortless, automatically captured), arguing that modern digital life chronically depletes the former. Berman presents decades of research showing that even modest, brief exposure to nature—walks, views, sounds, images—can restore attention, improve working memory by ~20%, reduce rumination, and correlate with lower rates of stroke, heart disease, and diabetes. They outline practical, science-based protocols for incorporating “microdoses” of nature into daily life and advocate redesigning homes, schools, cities, and work schedules to treat nature not as a luxury amenity, but as a cognitive and health necessity.

Key Takeaways

Directed attention is a finite resource that today is chronically overtaxed

Berman distinguishes between directed attention—effortful focus we use to read, work, inhibit impulses—and involuntary attention, which is automatically captured by interesting stimuli (e. ...

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Brief nature exposure measurably restores focus and working memory

In a core 2008 study, participants completed a demanding working-memory task (backwards digit span), then took either a ~50-minute walk through an arboretum or a busy urban street, and repeated the task. ...

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You don’t need a forest: images, sounds, and views of nature still help

Short lab exposures—about 10 minutes of viewing slideshow images of nature vs. ...

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Nature’s fractal structure makes it cognitively easy and subtly restorative

Natural environments are rich in fractals—repeating patterns across scales (tree branches, coastlines, mountains, snowflakes). ...

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Not all passive activities are restorative—many are passively depleting

Scrolling social media, watching TV, or juggling texts feel low-effort but continue to draw on and fragment directed attention. ...

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Solitary, device-free ‘microdoses’ of nature function as true cognitive breaks

For genuine restoration, Berman recommends short, ideally solitary nature walks—about 20 minutes is enough to show benefits; 50 minutes yields robust effects. ...

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More trees and biophilic design correlate with better physical and mental health

In Toronto, Berman’s team linked health data from ~30,000 residents with detailed tree canopy maps. ...

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Notable Quotes

You can’t work ten hours straight. You might think you can, but directed attention just doesn’t function that way.

Dr. Marc Berman

A really important distinction is that some activities are passive but depleting, and others are passive and truly restorative.

Dr. Marc Berman

Nature is not an amenity, it’s a necessity if we want humans to reach their full cognitive and physical potential.

Dr. Marc Berman

If you’re so depleted that you feel you need an isolation chamber to focus, that’s probably your signal to go take a walk in nature.

Dr. Marc Berman

Our built environment was designed to move goods and house people efficiently, not to optimize psychological well-being or attention.

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Questions Answered in This Episode

In your rumination study with depressed participants, did you track how long the cognitive benefits of a single nature walk lasted, and do multiple daily walks produce cumulative or diminishing returns?

Andrew Huberman and environmental neuroscientist Dr. ...

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You found that nature images and sounds are less potent than real walks—what specific additional elements of real-world nature (smells, temperature changes, proprioception, social context) do you suspect provide the extra restoration?

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Given your Toronto data on trees and health, if a city has limited budget, is it more impactful to plant many small trees broadly or invest in fewer, larger, high-canopy trees in key neighborhoods?

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Your work suggests curved, fractal designs promote comfort and even spiritual reflection—how should architects and planners balance this with current trends toward minimalist, rectilinear design in homes, offices, and schools?

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If someone has a highly urban lifestyle and can realistically only get one substantial nature exposure per week, what is the most efficient way to structure that time (duration, activity type, solitude vs. company) to maximize attention restoration and health benefits?

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Transcript Preview

Andrew Huberman

Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Dr. Mark Berman. Dr. Mark Berman is a professor of psychology at the University of Chicago, where he directs the Environmental Neuroscience Laboratory. His research focuses on how our physical environments, particularly natural environments, impact our brain function, mental health, and cognitive performance. During today's episode, we discuss the fascinating and actionable science of how your physical surroundings indoors, and in particular, your relationship and interactions with nature, can shape your biology and your cognitive abilities. Dr. Berman explains how exposure to very common features in nature, such as fractal patterns, increase your ability to focus, reduce your stress, and improve your mental and physical health metrics, and not just while you're in nature, but after you return indoors for many hours and even days afterwards. During today's episode, you'll learn about something called attention restoration theory, which turns out to be very important for understanding how different types of indoor and outdoor environments either deplete or restore your cognitive resources. We also discuss practical science-based strategies that anyone can implement regardless of where you live. So if you're in an apartment or a house, if you have ready access to nature or if you don't, today's episode explains how to design your indoor space, the optimal duration and timing of nature exposure, and the specific visual and auditory elements that will provide you with the greatest cognitive and health benefits. So whether you're a student or a professional looking to enhance your learning capacity, focus, and reduce your burnout, or you're simply interested in optimizing your mental and physical health through exposure to different elements of nature, today's episode provides clear, actionable protocols based on rigorous scientific research. By the end of today's episode, you'll have a toolkit of evidence-based strategies that will transform your relationship with your indoor environment and outdoor environments, and you'll learn to harness those to improve your brain and body. Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford. It is however part of my desire and effort to bring zero-cost-to-consumer information about science and science-related tools to the general public. In keeping with that theme, today's episode does include sponsors. And now for my discussion with Dr. Mark Berman. Dr. Mark Berman, welcome.

Marc Berman

Great to be here, Andrew.

Andrew Huberman

I love being out in nature, so I'm excited about today's conversation, which is taking place indoors-

Marc Berman

(laughs)

Andrew Huberman

... but we're going to talk about the relationship between the mind, the brain, nature, stress, rumination, and this incredible power that interactions with the natural world can have on our brain. As we wade into this, I'd like to start with this issue of recapturing our attentional abilities, because I think nowadays, everybody, whether they're clinically diagnosed with ADHD or they are just a human being on the planet, feels as if their attention is being pulled in different directions, sometimes without our awareness, sometimes with our awareness. What is this notion of recapturing attention?

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