
Dr. Glen Jeffery: Using Red Light to Improve Your Health & the Harmful Effects of LEDs
Andrew Huberman (host), Dr. Glen Jeffery (guest)
In this episode of Huberman Lab, featuring Andrew Huberman and Dr. Glen Jeffery, Dr. Glen Jeffery: Using Red Light to Improve Your Health & the Harmful Effects of LEDs explores red Light, Sick Mitochondria: Fixing Modern Lighting To Save Health Andrew Huberman and neuroscientist Dr. Glen Jeffery explain how long‑wavelength light (red, near‑infrared, infrared) directly improves mitochondrial function across the body, enhancing ATP production, vision, metabolism, and even systemic disease states. They contrast our evolutionary history under full‑spectrum sunlight and fire with today’s LED‑dominant indoor lighting, which is heavily short‑wavelength shifted and largely devoid of beneficial long wavelengths. Animal and human data show that blue‑weighted LEDs impair mitochondria, raise blood glucose, drive weight gain and fatty liver, and likely contribute to broader health decline, while brief red/near‑IR exposures can acutely and lastingly improve vision and blunt glucose spikes. They argue that re‑engineering indoor light—via sunlight, halogen/incandescent sources, and inexpensive changes in schools, hospitals, and homes—is a major, underappreciated public‑health opportunity, especially for children and the elderly.
Red Light, Sick Mitochondria: Fixing Modern Lighting To Save Health
Andrew Huberman and neuroscientist Dr. Glen Jeffery explain how long‑wavelength light (red, near‑infrared, infrared) directly improves mitochondrial function across the body, enhancing ATP production, vision, metabolism, and even systemic disease states. They contrast our evolutionary history under full‑spectrum sunlight and fire with today’s LED‑dominant indoor lighting, which is heavily short‑wavelength shifted and largely devoid of beneficial long wavelengths. Animal and human data show that blue‑weighted LEDs impair mitochondria, raise blood glucose, drive weight gain and fatty liver, and likely contribute to broader health decline, while brief red/near‑IR exposures can acutely and lastingly improve vision and blunt glucose spikes. They argue that re‑engineering indoor light—via sunlight, halogen/incandescent sources, and inexpensive changes in schools, hospitals, and homes—is a major, underappreciated public‑health opportunity, especially for children and the elderly.
Key Takeaways
Long‑wavelength light boosts mitochondrial performance by acting on the water environment, not directly on mitochondrial pigments.
Jeffery explains that earlier attempts to find a red‑light absorption peak in isolated mitochondria failed. ...
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Red/near‑infrared light can measurably improve aging vision with very brief, infrequent exposures—especially in the morning.
In human studies using ~670 nm light for 3 minutes directed at the eyes (eyelids open or closed), older adults (~40+ and especially elderly) showed ~20% improvements in color sensitivity and low‑light vision. ...
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Even small‑area red light exposure can drive systemic metabolic changes, lowering glucose spikes from a glucose load.
In bumblebees, red light reduced post‑glucose blood sugar rise, whereas blue light worsened it. ...
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Long‑wavelength light penetrates deeply and scatters through the entire body—including through bone and the skull.
Measurement studies showed that when people stand in strong sunlight, most red/IR light passes into the body, scatters extensively, and only a few percent emerges from the back, implying broad internal absorption. ...
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Blue‑shifted LED lighting without accompanying red/IR likely damages mitochondria and drives systemic dysfunction over time.
LEDs concentrate output in visible wavelengths, with a large spike at ~420–440 nm and little to no emission beyond ~700 nm. ...
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Modern buildings compound the problem by using cheap LEDs and infrared‑blocking glass, creating a ‘double hit’ against mitochondrial health.
Architectural practice typically cuts budgets at the lighting phase, leading to installation of the cheapest narrow‑spectrum LEDs. ...
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Simple, low‑cost interventions—sunlight, halogen/incandescent bulbs, plants, and timing—can meaningfully mitigate LED harms.
Key strategies: (1) Regular outdoor daylight exposure, ideally morning and midday, while avoiding sunburn; even overcast skies provide substantial long‑wavelength exposure, though attenuated. ...
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Notable Quotes
“This is an issue on the same level as asbestos. This is a public health issue, and it's big.”
— Dr. Glen Jeffery
“When we use LEDs... looking at mice, we can watch the mitochondria gently go downhill. They're far less responsive. Their membrane potentials are coming down. The mitochondria are not breathing very well.”
— Dr. Glen Jeffery
“We can do much with single wavelengths of long‑wavelength light, but we can never do the same as you can get from sunlight.”
— Dr. Glen Jeffery
“In theory, red light should help kids with mitochondrial disease. It will do absolutely no harm whatsoever.”
— Dr. Glen Jeffery
“I believe profoundly that we can affect public health, and we should affect public health, in a highly economic way.”
— Dr. Glen Jeffery
Questions Answered in This Episode
You mentioned that 420–440 nm is the particularly damaging range for mitochondria; are there commercially available LEDs or fixtures that intentionally avoid or minimize that range while still being practical for homes and offices?
Andrew Huberman and neuroscientist Dr. ...
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In your glucose‑tolerance experiments with localized red‑light exposure, what do you think is the first biochemical signal leaving the illuminated tissue—cytokines, extracellular vesicles, altered metabolites—and how would you design a study to identify it definitively?
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Given that mitochondria can detect the difference between a smooth incandescent spectrum and a ‘stacked’ LED spectrum, what does that imply about our current assumptions in photobiomodulation studies that use narrowband LEDs as surrogates for sunlight?
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For early‑stage macular degeneration or retinitis pigmentosa, what specific at‑home lighting and red‑light protocols (wavelengths, durations, and weekly frequency) would you feel comfortable recommending today, based on existing human data and safety margins?
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If long‑term LED and IR‑blocking exposure are indeed contributing to population‑level health issues, what policy or building‑code changes do you think are most urgent and politically realistic in the next decade?
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Transcript Preview
Let's talk about indoor lighting-
Mm-hmm.
... because I am very concerned about the amount of short wavelength light that people are exposed to nowadays, especially kids.
This is an issue on the same level as, as asbestos. This is a public health issue, and it's big. And I think it's one of the reasons why I'm really happy to come here and talk, because it's time to talk. When we use LEDs, s- the, the light found in LEDs, when we use them, certainly when we use them on, on the retina, looking at mice, we can watch the mitochondria gently go downhill. They're far less responsive. They... Their membrane potentials are coming down. The mitochondria are not breathing very well. Can watch that in real time.
(instrumental music) Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Dr. Glenn Jeffrey, a professor of neuroscience at University College London. In today's episode, we discuss how you can use light, in particular red, near-infrared, and infrared light, to improve your health, and no, not just by getting sunlight, although we do talk about sunlight. Dr. Jeffrey's lab has discovered that certain wavelengths or colors of light can be used to improve your skin, your eyesight, even your blood sugar regulation and metabolism. Dr. Jeffrey explains how light is absorbed by the water in your mitochondria, the energy-producing organelles within your cells, to allow them to function better by producing more ATP. He also explains how long wavelength light, things like red light, can be protective against mitochondrial damage caused by excessive exposure to things like LED bulbs and screens, which, of course, we are all exposed to pretty much all day long nowadays, and simple, inexpensive, and even zero-cost ways that you can get long wavelength light exposure, and again, not just by getting more sunlight. He explains that long wavelength light can actually pass into and through your entire body, and that it scatters when inside you. Now, that might sound scary, but it's actually a great thing for your health, because that's how long wavelength light can improve the health of all your organs, by entering your body and supporting your mitochondria. Believe it or not, certain wavelengths of light can actually pass through your skull into your brain and help promote brain health. During today's episode, we also discuss new findings that correlate the amount of sunlight you're exposed to with longevity. Those are very surprising findings, but they're important. Also, why everyone needs some UV light exposure, and we discuss whether it's important to close your eyes when using red light devices or in red light saunas, and how best to apply red light and things like infrared light in order to drive maximum health benefits. Today, you're going to learn from one of the greats in neuroscience as to how to use light to improve the health and longevity of any and every tissue in your body, and the mechanisms for how that works. Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford. It is, however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero-cost-to-consumer information about science and science-related tools to the general public. In keeping with that theme, today's episode does include sponsors. And now for my discussion with Dr. Glenn Jeffrey. Dr. Glenn Jeffrey, welcome.
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