Swapcast - Podcast On A Plane with John Dudley (Audio Only)
Joe Rogan (host), John Dudley (guest)
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and John Dudley, Swapcast - Podcast On A Plane with John Dudley (Audio Only) explores rogan and Dudley Swap Stories on Hunting, Archery, Comedy, and Truth Joe Rogan and bowhunting coach John Dudley record a casual in-flight swapcast covering their shared Hawaii axis deer hunt, advanced archery technique, and gear choices. They break down how high-level bowhunting works—camo patterns, HECS suits, broadheads, Hoyt bows, and release aids—using Rogan’s recent shots and misses as case studies. Rogan parallels archery, pool, jiu-jitsu, and stand-up comedy, emphasizing fundamentals, technique, and the grind of constant practice and reinvention. They finish by discussing authenticity in podcasts versus TV, Traeger grilling, and the tiny elite circles in both comedy and bowhunting.
Rogan and Dudley Swap Stories on Hunting, Archery, Comedy, and Truth
Joe Rogan and bowhunting coach John Dudley record a casual in-flight swapcast covering their shared Hawaii axis deer hunt, advanced archery technique, and gear choices. They break down how high-level bowhunting works—camo patterns, HECS suits, broadheads, Hoyt bows, and release aids—using Rogan’s recent shots and misses as case studies. Rogan parallels archery, pool, jiu-jitsu, and stand-up comedy, emphasizing fundamentals, technique, and the grind of constant practice and reinvention. They finish by discussing authenticity in podcasts versus TV, Traeger grilling, and the tiny elite circles in both comedy and bowhunting.
Key Takeaways
Treat bowhunting at the axis-deer level as a ‘black belt’ discipline.
Dudley frames Lanai axis deer as the ultimate test: if you can execute from ~250 yards in on these hyper-skittish animals—crawling, reading wind, and timing your shot—you can handle almost any bowhunting scenario.
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Commit fully to one high-control release method to eliminate target panic.
Rogan switched 100% to a Silverback tension-activated release, training exclusively with it so he no longer thinks about “punching” a trigger and can execute calm, surprise shots even under heavy adrenaline at long range.
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Use gear intentionally: quiet arrows, effective camo, and HECS for close encounters.
They stress the value of Sitka Subalpine for breaking up human outline, quieter four-fletch arrow setups, and HECS suits that may dampen the body’s electromagnetic signature, leading to birds and deer coming unnaturally close or not spooking.
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Match broadhead choice to animal behavior and shot variables.
With ultra-reactive animals like axis deer, Dudley argues for large-cut mechanicals (e. ...
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Elite performance in any field boils down to fundamentals drilled with intent.
Rogan links archery form, pool grip and stroke, jiu-jitsu positional drilling, and comedy writing: in all cases, relaxed, efficient technique and endless, focused repetition—often on basics—separate casuals from true experts.
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Constancy and reinvention keep skills sharp and authenticity high.
Rogan rewrites a whole new act every ~2 years, forcing himself back into ‘beginner’ mode, and Dudley annually rebuilds his shot from fundamentals; both see periodic reset as crucial to avoiding complacency and staying sharp.
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Long-form, unproduced podcasts have reshaped how people access expertise and truth.
They argue that multi-hour, unedited conversations let audiences hear scholars, hunters, and comics directly—without network filters or manufactured ‘gotcha’ moments—making it harder for legacy media to spin or oversimplify complex topics.
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Notable Quotes
“If you can get it done on an axis here, you can get anything done.”
— John Dudley
“There’s levels to everything, and in martial arts the consequences of bad technique are the most devastating.”
— Joe Rogan
“I’m a spark farmer—I find a spark of an idea, then I blow on that spark and try to turn it into a flame.”
— Joe Rogan
“Game recognizes game.”
— Joe Rogan
“When we were in the moments we were in, that’s the ultimate litmus test for me.”
— John Dudley
Questions Answered in This Episode
How transferable are ‘black belt’ axis-deer skills to other high-pressure hunting situations like big public-land elk or heavily pressured whitetails?
Joe Rogan and bowhunting coach John Dudley record a casual in-flight swapcast covering their shared Hawaii axis deer hunt, advanced archery technique, and gear choices. ...
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To what extent is the HECS suit effect scientifically demonstrable versus anecdotal, and how would you design a rigorous test for it?
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How can an intermediate archer practically transition to a tension-activated release without losing confidence during the awkward learning phase?
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What specific drilling framework from jiu-jitsu or pool could most benefit someone stuck on an archery plateau?
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As long-form podcasts grow, how should critical listeners distinguish between genuine expertise and confident but misleading commentary in a three-hour conversation?
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Transcript Preview
And we're rolling. (glass clinks) Cheers.
Cheers.
That's, that's only part of a Cat Lady. I mean-
(sighs)
... obviously.
Yeah, that's just the one... Well, it's the critical part.
It is. It is.
Without... Without the red wine, the Cat Lady is not that ridiculous.
(laughs)
Right? It's just red wine-
Yeah.
It's like tequila and Red Bull.
Yep.
That's normal.
Yeah.
I mean, that's like Red Bull and vodka. It's not too crazy.
Yeah.
You pour the red wine in there and you're like, "What are you doing?" (laughs)
Now you're just desperate. (laughs) Now you're just, like, everyone shows up to a party with what they found in their parents' refrigerator-
Yeah.
... and then the Cat Lady appears.
Have you ever made one of those since then?
Yeah, a lot.
(laughs)
I tur- (laughs) I turn people onto it all the time.
That day was so ridiculous.
I've gone into bars where people recognize me and then they... The waitress comes over and says, "The bartender would like to give you this Cat Lady." And I'm like-
(laughs)
... "What?" (laughs) Yeah.
For people who don't know what we're talking about, the Cat Lady was a drink that John invented two years ago in Lanai. Two years ago?
Yeah, I think it was two years ago.
Yeah, not last year. The year before that. Two years ago.
Yep.
And it... We w-... It was Shane Dorian, Sam Sohalt, Ben O'Bryan, John, Remy-
Remy had left.
Remy... Yeah, Remy had left.
Remy had left. He didn't get to enjoy it.
And-
That was the first-
... we did a podcast in my suite, and we just went into the minibar and we just grabbed everything. (laughs)
I don't know about this "we" stuff.
(laughs)
You came with a full bear hug of just... I could hear clanging happening-
(laughs)
... (laughs) and you just dropped it in the middle of the table.
I'm like, "This is what we got." (laughs)
Yep. You're like, "Hey, let's podcast." And that's where it all started.
It was fun.
By the... By the end, I just was kinda grabbing... I- I think I was consuming more than most, so I was just reaching around trying to take whatever was left, and then you're like, "What the hell are you pouring?"
So that was our first year doing this trip. And, uh, this year is our third. And man, it is... it is an aw-... First of all, it's an awesome place to get ready for, like, elk. To get ready-
I think to get ready for anything.
... anything. Yeah.
Anything. If you can successfully... Especially if someone's wanting to know, like, where they raid. I remember last year when I elk hunted with Andy, I told Andy when we were in Montana (clears throat) that, "This time I'm gonna be limited on how much I can hunt with you. Like, we'll both go opposite directions." And then after, I think, two days, Andy said, "Okay, I realize now how much of my success before was hinging on you navigating me in these, like, small moments that I didn't really realize how important they were."
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