Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music)

It's a scary, it's a scary podcast for me, 'cause I feel like you're... because I know a lot of the things that you've said and I've related to them, and I've said, "Okay, this makes sense."

Why is that scary?

Okay, so it's scary because it's not consensus reality. And, you know, because it's not consensus reality, we could talk about it over hot chocolate, in the fir- you know, near a fire or something.

Right.

But here we're talking about it and lots of people are going to be listening.

Yes.

So that is somewhat-

Yeah. That's-

... scary. (laughs)

That's the hu- hurdle that we all have to get over, and the, the good thing about this is it really is just us talking.

Right.

You know, and there are a lot of people that are going to listen, but they're just people too.

That's true.

And-

And they've probably had these experiences.

Some of them have.

Yeah.

Yeah. The, the experiences that are, that are available through psychedelics, that I've always wondered, I mean, the thing that has always struck me about the UFO experience, uh, particularly the abduction experience is that it always happens when people are asleep, it always happens at night. It either happens on the road when people are tired and it's late at night, or it happens... Like, why does it have to happen at night? The universe doesn't give a shit what... where the sun is in position to the planet. Like that doesn't make any sense, that all these UFO abduction experiences would happen only when the sun is on the other side.

(laughs)

That's so dumb. It makes no sense. It's literally s- it's such an egocentric, Earth-centric perspective that... And not even Earth-centric, uh, hemispherical-centric, right? It, it, it depends on where the sun is in position to the Earth. For that to be the only time that UFOs come, I was always like, "This seems like horseshit." There's something about it that seems like horseshit, but there's also something about it that seems real. When you listen to like Betty and Barney Hill, when they're, they're talking, boy that sounds like people talking about a real thing, boy that sounds like a real experience, it really does. And these people like the Whitley Strieberers, these people that talk about these experiences that happen at night, we know for a fact that when you are sleeping, your brain is producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We have no idea why. We have no idea what the purpose of those things are. We have no idea what the quantity is. We, we used to think, until recently, um, they weren't even exactly sure like where it was being produced, but now, uh, through Strassman's work and through the work of the Cottonwood Research Foundation, the, the, uh, people that do those DMT studies, they know that now your brain is producing this. And so is your brain, um, is it a... Is it producing a chemical gateway into another dimension? And is that why these people are experiencing these ab- abduction, l- you know, air quote, abduction experiences, these, these encounters, let's, let's say encounters, is that why they're happening at night? Is that why they're happening while they're lying in bed, because that seems to make way more sense?