Joe Rogan Experience #1178 - Dr. Rhonda Patrick
Joe Rogan (host), Dr. Rhonda Patrick (guest), Guest (guest), Narrator
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Joe Rogan Experience #1178 - Dr. Rhonda Patrick explores rhonda Patrick Dissects Carnivore Diet, Toxins, Fasting, and Brain Health Dr. Rhonda Patrick joins Joe Rogan to unpack the science behind modern diet fads, especially the carnivore diet, and contrasts anecdotes with what’s actually in the literature.
Rhonda Patrick Dissects Carnivore Diet, Toxins, Fasting, and Brain Health
Dr. Rhonda Patrick joins Joe Rogan to unpack the science behind modern diet fads, especially the carnivore diet, and contrasts anecdotes with what’s actually in the literature.
She details how endocrine disruptors, air pollution, and urban living affect health, then dives into fasting, microbiome shifts, and caloric restriction as more likely mechanisms behind carnivore diet benefits than simply “meat-only eating.”
Patrick raises serious concerns about long‑term micronutrient deficiencies and gut changes on strict carnivore, while making a strong case for plant compounds, saunas, exercise, and omega‑3s in brain and overall health.
They also explore Alzheimer’s risk, genetics (APOE4), DHA transport to the brain, fasting‑mimicking diets, sulforaphane from cruciferous vegetables, and practical lifestyle tools like hot yoga and float tanks.
Key Takeaways
Don’t confuse anecdotal success on carnivore with proof that plants are harmful.
Patrick argues that many carnivore benefits likely come from reduced calories, increased fasting windows, and dramatic microbiome shifts—factors known to improve autoimmunity and metabolic health—rather than the removal of all plant foods per se.
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Prioritize micronutrient sufficiency, especially on restrictive diets.
She highlights nutrients like vitamin C, vitamin E, folate, magnesium, and manganese; low‑level deficiencies may take years to manifest as problems (e. ...
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Use fasting strategically instead of extreme restriction as a first‑line tool.
Clinical and animal studies show prolonged or intermittent fasting can reset immune cells, improve autoimmunity, enhance microbiome composition, and even sensitize cancer cells to treatment—often without needing to abandon entire food groups.
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Leverage plants for more than just vitamins—they’re biochemical stress trainers.
Phytochemicals like sulforaphane from cruciferous vegetables upregulate detox and antioxidant pathways, boost glutathione (including in the brain), help clear air pollutants like benzene, and have shown benefits in prostate cancer markers, autism, and schizophrenia.
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Support brain health with omega‑3s and consider personalized strategies if APOE4‑positive.
DHA is crucial for amyloid clearance, tau pathology, and glucose handling in the brain; APOE4 carriers may transport DHA less efficiently, so higher doses and phospholipid sources (e. ...
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Use heat stress—saunas or hot yoga—as a mental and cardiovascular tool.
Regular sauna use (around 180°F, several times a week) is associated with lower cardiovascular and all‑cause mortality, reduced Alzheimer’s risk, better vascular function, and improved depressive symptoms via inflammatory and heat‑shock–related pathways.
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Be wary of confirmation bias and “religious” nutrition thinking.
Rogan and Patrick point out how both carnivore and vegan communities often cherry‑pick studies and promote simplistic narratives; they advocate focusing on mechanisms, confounders, and long‑term data instead of hashtags and ideology.
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Notable Quotes
“At the end of the day, there’s no data. There’s no data, so you can’t say for sure… but I have concerns and we can talk about those concerns.”
— Dr. Rhonda Patrick
“You may be getting rid of some of the pathogenic bad bacteria with the antibiotics, but eventually you’re also getting rid of good stuff.”
— Dr. Rhonda Patrick
“We evolved eating plants and meat. We’re omnivores. We have these pathways that get activated when we eat plants… if you cut that out, you’re going to miss out.”
— Dr. Rhonda Patrick
“When someone just starts talking about ‘vegetables are toxic,’ like, oh, Jesus Christ… have you read any of the scientific data?”
— Joe Rogan
“It’s important to approach this like a science and not like a religion, where you want to believe something and so you just find a study that vaguely supports it and run with it.”
— Dr. Rhonda Patrick
Questions Answered in This Episode
If much of the carnivore diet’s benefit comes from fasting and caloric restriction, how could someone mimic those mechanisms while still eating a diverse, plant‑inclusive diet?
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For people with severe autoimmune or gut issues, what would a cautious, stepwise approach look like before jumping to an all‑meat elimination diet?
She details how endocrine disruptors, air pollution, and urban living affect health, then dives into fasting, microbiome shifts, and caloric restriction as more likely mechanisms behind carnivore diet benefits than simply “meat-only eating.”
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How might APOE4 carriers practically adjust their diet, supplement choices, and lifestyle to reduce Alzheimer’s risk in light of impaired DHA transport?
Patrick raises serious concerns about long‑term micronutrient deficiencies and gut changes on strict carnivore, while making a strong case for plant compounds, saunas, exercise, and omega‑3s in brain and overall health.
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What realistic weekly protocol (frequency, duration, temperature) for sauna or hot yoga would deliver meaningful cardiovascular and mental‑health benefits?
They also explore Alzheimer’s risk, genetics (APOE4), DHA transport to the brain, fasting‑mimicking diets, sulforaphane from cruciferous vegetables, and practical lifestyle tools like hot yoga and float tanks.
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Given the long time horizon for micronutrient deficiencies and DNA damage to show up, what labs or markers should someone on a restrictive diet monitor regularly?
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Have you been here since he had a kid?
Yeah.
Yeah. That's right.
I was here last, right, about four months after. I didn't sleep at all. It's amazing. I, like, was able to talk for ...
And now your kid is how old?
13 months.
Wow. Wait till they start talking.
He, oh, he says, I mean, he's, he's now, like, his new thing is he says, "All done. All done." So he'll say it, like, he'll say it before I change his diaper 'cause he doesn't want me to go through that, you know?
(laughs)
He says, "All done. All done." (laughs) But he'll say it, like, he'll lay in his crib and say it, like, when he's ready to get out, you know, um, of bed early in the morning and I'm, like, waiting. I'm like, maybe he'll go back to sleep.
Now, b- being a scientist and having a child, are you, are you, like, cognizant of, like, every single factor that's taking place, like nutrition, all the input, emotional input, environment? Like, must be kind of mind-blowing.
And ex- mind-exhausting too.
Yeah.
Yes, it is. I'll give you an example right now, like, 'cause we're traveling.
Right.
And, um, you know, I, I'm, I'm pretty ... This, the BPA, so plastic bottles, you know, I'm having to give him water and he's, like, obsessed. For whatever reason, he's obsessed with drinking ... I brought his, like, you know, n- nice cup, um, but he doesn't want to drink it out of his cup. He wants to drink it out of these plastic bottles 'cause it's novel and it's-
Right.
... crinkly sound and anyways. You know, so I'm like, all I can think about is the BPA and, you know, B- am I, am I exposing him to too much and what's it doing? And ...
And does that BPA, is it leech only when it gets hot? Is that how it works?
So, and that's another thing I was thinking about in my hotel today because (laughs) I was making a coffee with one of those, um, one of those paper cups that has the plastic lining.
Mm-hmm.
And like, I don't know what's in the plastic lining, BPA or some of the BPA alternatives which have also been shown to have-
What does BPA stand for?
Uh, bisphenol A. So, um, y- to answer your question, there's been experiments done that have shown heat, so boiling, boiling water and putting it in plastic increases the BPA that leaches into the, the solution, into the w- the water by, like, 55 fold. So yes, definitely heating it up is, like, way worse. And so one of the things I'm always now thinking about is, you know, going to Starbucks, whatever, the plastic lining they're putting in those cups when you get your hot tea or your hot coffee, um, I don't know if there's BPA, but there's now studies that have come out, and these studies have been done in animals, that show like BPS and some of the other, um, BPA replacements also have negative consequences on endocrine system, on reproduction. In some, in some cases, they're passed on to multiple generations. Now, how much of that is actually translates to humans, it's unknown, um, but there have been studies at least with BPA that have shown that, you know, you give a person a s- a single dose of BPA and it disrupts, like, their insulin sensitivity. Um, it also plays a role in, like, um, um, causing problems with in vitro fertilization. So it's d- you know, disrupting hormones and things like that. So I was really cognizant about it during pregnancy because, you know, typically, um, we do detoxify, "detoxify" it, uh, quite well. Uh, the half-life is, like, uh, less than five hours and we excrete it through urine. It also comes out through sweat, by the way, which is really good. Um, but preg- but, you know, when you're pregnant, for whatever reason, the placenta, it, you know, you, you basically take the BPA, your body ... it's in your body and your, your liver will, you know, inactivate it to this, like, more benign compound. But when it crosses over to the placenta, it gets in, it gets activated again. And so it's like that's why the effects are much more, uh, robust always on, like, the developing fetus. And so I was really made sure I was, like, not drinking anything out of a plastic bottle or anything like that d- while I was pregnant just because, I mean, I don't know. (laughs)
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