Joe Rogan Experience #1486 - Honey Honey
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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Suzanne Santo, Joe Rogan Experience #1486 - Honey Honey explores joe Rogan Reunites HoneyHoney: Music, Mushrooms, And Modern Mayhem Joe Rogan hosts musicians Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe of HoneyHoney for a loose, four‑plus hour hang that mixes emotional band reunion, live performances, and rambling cultural commentary.
Joe Rogan Reunites HoneyHoney: Music, Mushrooms, And Modern Mayhem
Joe Rogan hosts musicians Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe of HoneyHoney for a loose, four‑plus hour hang that mixes emotional band reunion, live performances, and rambling cultural commentary.
They talk candidly about repairing their friendship during COVID, choosing not to have kids, body image and modeling, psychedelics, and the pressures of modern life and social media.
The conversation dives into police brutality, George Floyd, racism, historical atrocities against Native Americans, and how trauma reshapes both communities and cops.
Between serious stretches, they veer into comedy, weed and whiskey, Wim Hof breathing, archery, photography, and close the show with intimate live renditions of “Angel From Montgomery,” “Big Man,” “Whatcha Gonna Do Now,” and “Angel of Death.”
Key Takeaways
Serious friendships can survive long breaks if both people do inner work.
Suzanne and Ben admit to spending two years barely speaking, but reconciling during COVID after fear for each other’s health forced them to reevaluate their grudges and prioritize love and collaboration.
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Not wanting children is a valid choice, not a moral failure.
They push back on social pressure that parenthood is required for a meaningful life, arguing you can contribute through art, loving other people’s kids, and living authentically.
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Grudges and unspoken resentment erode connection; talking it out is essential.
Rogan and HoneyHoney repeatedly return to the idea that stepping back, then having uncomfortable, honest conversations, is the only way to clear long‑standing emotional debris in relationships.
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Policing problems are both about racism and unmanaged trauma in officers.
They condemn the killing of George Floyd and other brutality, while also citing research on sleep disorders, PTSD, and chronic exposure to violence among police, arguing reform must address screening, training, and psychological care.
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Historical context matters: today’s racial inequities are rooted in recent, deliberate policy.
Stories about redlining, the Osage murders in *Killers of the Flower Moon*, slavery being only ~150 years ago, and Native American dispossession illustrate that current disparities were engineered and not accidental.
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Psychedelics and breathwork can be powerful tools for anxiety and perspective shifts.
They discuss LSD and mushroom experiences (including a mis‑timed trip at Suzanne’s parents’ house) and Rogan demos Wim Hof breathing, framing these practices as ways to reset stress patterns and see life differently—if treated with respect.
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Art often emerges from pain, but the goal is transformation, not permanent damage.
Rogan uses Joey Diaz and blues icons as examples of people whose trauma fuels extraordinary comedy and music, while all three stress that suffering can lead to wisdom and compassion if processed rather than repeated.
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Notable Quotes
“Friendship and love, that's the best shit. Whatever you do, talk it out and don't carry grudges.”
— Joe Rogan
“If you ever felt that for someone at one point in time, you probably would feel it again. You just gotta talk it out.”
— Joe Rogan
“For all intents and purposes, when you have this capacity to grow from horrible things, you have the capacity for wisdom and also comedy.”
— Suzanne Santo
“We have to be careful of bad players. When people have power over people, even if it's just psychic power, they abuse it.”
— Joe Rogan
“We are in a digital age of self‑obsession and narcissism. Kids don't play outside anymore; our instincts have been muted.”
— Suzanne Santo
Questions Answered in This Episode
How do you personally decide when a friendship or creative partnership is worth fighting for versus when it’s time to walk away?
Joe Rogan hosts musicians Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe of HoneyHoney for a loose, four‑plus hour hang that mixes emotional band reunion, live performances, and rambling cultural commentary.
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What specific reforms would best balance accountability for police brutality with real support for officers’ mental health and trauma?
They talk candidly about repairing their friendship during COVID, choosing not to have kids, body image and modeling, psychedelics, and the pressures of modern life and social media.
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In what ways do you think your own upbringing and environment still shape how you see race, authority, and fairness today?
The conversation dives into police brutality, George Floyd, racism, historical atrocities against Native Americans, and how trauma reshapes both communities and cops.
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How can artists responsibly draw on their own suffering without romanticizing trauma or damaging themselves further?
Between serious stretches, they veer into comedy, weed and whiskey, Wim Hof breathing, archery, photography, and close the show with intimate live renditions of “Angel From Montgomery,” “Big Man,” “Whatcha Gonna Do Now,” and “Angel of Death.”
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If you could introduce one “psychedelic” or breathing‑based practice safely into mainstream culture, what would you choose and why?
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Transcript Preview
Uh...
What if we, like, wrote you a new theme song? What if we just, like, started pitching theme songs right now?
You could do that.
Really?
Yeah, I might do some fucking do that.
Cool. Yeah, Ben. (laughs)
We're rolling. We're, we're actually-
(laughs)
We're rolling right now.
Yeah.
(laughs)
Honey, honey.
Great.
(laughs)
Um, how did the band get back together? 'Cause it... Literally, the band is back together. Like, you know that expression you say with your friends? "Bro, the band's back together."
(laughs) Yeah.
The band-
We haven't even said that shit yet.
Yeah.
The band's back together. (fingers snapping)
Bam.
The band's back together.
I said bam? Oh, fuck. (laughs)
The band, the band's back together.
The band is back together. You're saying bam?
I know.
I say bam all the time.
I just... I'd rather say, like, titties or (laughs) something-
Um, I'm a bam guy.
Okay, bam's good.
I say bam. Bam.
Bam's good.
Yep.
Yeah. So, band's back together. Started via COVID.
Oh.
We were, we were kind of mad at each other.
It is what binds us.
Yeah, we were a little mad at each other.
Viruses keep you together.
(laughs)
And then I, I got really-
Tell me a lot of shit.
... I got really worried about Ben. Uh...
The person I live with s- thought... Well, may- maybe did have COVID-
Hmm.
... at the time. It turns out he, he tested negative but he had acute laryngitis at the same time.
Oh.
So we're just like, "Oh, shit."
See, that... Like, all those other diseases don't take a break.
Yeah.
Like, "Oh, COVID's got this."
Right. No, didn't he have bronchitis?
No, he had acute laryngitis.
Well, either way, I was, like, real mad at you at the time. And then I was like, I really love Ben and I'd be really bummed if I didn't... If there weren't a Ben. And I... And then we started talking, hanging out.
Just being Ben.
Sometimes that's all it takes. You, you know, we all get set in our ways. You get these grudges and these stupid things that you stick in your... Like, the best shit is-
Not worth it.
... camaraderie.
Not... Yeah.
Friendship and love, that's the best shit. It's like, whatever you kinda do to... And most people want that.
Mm-hmm.
If you ever felt that for someone at one point in time, you probably would feel it again. You just, whatever shit you have together, you just gotta talk it out. Talk it out and don't carry grudges.
Talk it out.
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